Color Spaces are tricky business. Follow the guide below to keep your photo's colors as consistent as possible through your workflow! 0:57 Brief Background on Color Spaces 1:37 Common Color Spaces 3:04 Color Space Uses 4:32 Color Settings in Photoshop 9:32 Assigning Color Profiles to RAW 12:50 Color Settings from Lightroom to Photoshop 14:08 Color Settings for Export from Lightroom
How about when you calibrate your monitor? You should use the Color Profile or Workspace of the result of Monitor Calibration? Or still stick with Pro Photo RGB/sRGB?
I wonder... it's just me or anyone thinks the same? Shouldn't we have the information of the color space we are currently working on a image instead of going to "convert to profile" just to check what's the profile? I always found it a bit strange on Photoshop...
As a commercial retoucher : IMHO Using ProPhotoRGB is a terrible idea, except maybe in a few niche cases. It's a persistent myth that there's anything to gain by going from AdobeRGB to ProPhotoRGB. Use AdobeRGB 16bit with a 10bit eizo monitor and a Quadro, geforce with 2019 studio drivers or FirePro. Thats all you ever need. No monitor comes close to matching ProPhoto RGB, heck most people sRGB monitors. Basically your flying blind with ProPhotoRGB. I dont know a single commercial photographer, retoucher or printer who ever use ProPhotoRGB. Im not saying that there can't be niche applications for ProPhotoRGB but as a rule of thumb is a terrible idea to advice the use of ProPhotoRGB to people who are not color management experts. AdobeRGB 16 bit as your workspace, sRGB as output unless otherwise has been agreed upon with your client. Thats just industry standard.
I love this guy's honesty! "Put it in the top adobe! Its not even obvious you can click there!" So many times its not until i see a tutorial that i realize hey thats actually an option to click! *face palm* PShop is not beginner friendly, thank God for these free tutorials or else I 'd be completely lost .
I think this has cleared up a LOT of misinformation. This question comes up SOO often in Facebook groups and you always get people guessing the answer or giving what is clearly the wrong answer. I personally learnt quite a bit from this and have adjusted some of my settings. A few times throughout i was think "ah but what about......." and within seconds you answered my thought. So well done on the video and well done on apparently reading my mind lol.
I was shooting, editing, and exporting all my photos in AdobeRGB. You have saved my proverbial bacon, my friend. Will ALWAYS export in sRGB now in Lightroom. Yikes.. to think what kind of calamity has already happened and would've happened if I didn't watch this vid!
Okay, I really appreciate this video, but what I want to see is a comprehensive tutorial that not only focuses on the color spaces in PS, but covers the whole workflow. I now purchased a wide-gamut 10-bit monitor, Precision laptop with Quadro graphics (10bit/channel) card and monitor calibrator. It is not that easy to find easily-accessible information on how to correctly set everything up for work in different color spaces.
In less than 5 minutes I have learned a ton about color spaces, from you Aaron. I was just on the phone with BayPhoto.com because I wanted to print my photos to glass, acrylic, and metal for a comparison of two photos across all three medium respectively. BayPhoto.com informed me that they print using Adobe RGB (1998), which I didn't know too much about. I was calling them because I also learned that BayPhoto.com and MetalPrints.com are sister companies and when I loaded my images into both websites, one of the images presented differently in the browser; which is what brought up the discussion about "Color Spaces."
Thank you for the tut' once again you've explained it in "plain speak " over the years you have improved my photoshop and photography skills beyond the call of duty, and for that I thank you
Thanks for this tutorial! It's saved me a bunch of time bringing photos in from LR that were in ProPhoto but didn't play well with an sRGB template I have to use regularly. Now it's set up to ask when transferring over to PS and I can switch automatically to sRGB on import.
Nicely done Aaron. That's a lot of information to cover in a way people can understand. Thanks! However I do have two comments. First, because I open multiple images at a time in Photoshop which are usually RAW or exported from Lightroom previously as ProPhoto for further editing in Photoshop, I do NOT have my working space as sRGB. That would drive me bonkers. I have the workspace set to ProPhoto. If I set it to sRGB then every file I open would give me a prompt due to the ProPhoto colourspace in the file and the mismatched sRGB workspace. It hurts just thinking about it. My workflow is 100 percent Prophoto until I export from Photoshop for print or web. No prompts appear unless I open a file without a colourspace, which would be something downloaded from the web as you said. Second, your section on exporting from Lightroom assumed that you would only export from Lightroom for use on the web, thus the sRGB colourspace for export. However many (most?) pro/semi-pro users would do some work in Lightroom on multiple files and then export (save) those files for further editing at some point in Photoshop. Those exports should be in PROPHOTO, not sRGB! If you dumb down the file on export from Lightroom, then you lose all that colour information. Once it's gone it's gone. Opening that sRGB file in Photoshop, even in a Prophoto colourspace, will not get you back all that data you threw away. So I would suggest that there are multiple paths or workflows you could have, depending on how you plan to edit. Maintaining a ProPhoto colourspace ALL through the edits and workflow is very important. The sRGB conversion should be done on that last export for print or web.
Thank you so much for this editorial, i have really struggled with my colours and this as made so much sense now. Please keep up the great work as i find photoshop so very difficult kind regards Lee
Thanks Aaron - very helpful! I would also appreciate a tutorial about color profiles used by print shops and how to install them and select them in PhotoShop for exporting images for printing (if the print shop offers them - e.g. COSTCO does if you talk the right person).
Damn dude, this was super helpful. I know almost nothing about photoshop and I was editing an image that I screenshotted but when I opened it it was darker and more saturated, and it happened again after opening the exported version. Turns out the Color Settings were all out of wack. Thanks!
Hi Aaron Nace, In-depth High-level tutorial. I am your UA-cam fan since 2012, almost, I have seen your all Photoshop and Lightroom tutorial and learned many things. I SUBSCRIBED your UA-cam channel "PHLEARN" and ring the bell so never miss your any update. Thank you! Sadat
This was super helpful! I have never understood the different color spaces and now I TOTALLY get it!! Thanks for the tips to change settings in Photoshop and Lightroom too.
Very well explained, thank you very much! Do you like to do another part explaining calibrating and profiling a monitor? And another part creating images for prints in a special ISO Coated profile?
This video helped explain something I have been avoiding for years because I thought it was too complex for me to understand. So for that I thank you so much. Although you missed something important at 12:45. You forgot to check "Embed Color Profile" and thus saved the image WITHOUT embedding the color profile! Leaving you with an image which requires the fix you laid out at length at 6:15. Be the solution not the problem! ha. Anyways, just a little note, but love the videos!
Thank you, i had this damn problem when i transfer photo form Lightroom and camera raw to photoshop and the colours changed. and finally i resolved thanks to you.
Still the trickiest part is: When you edit in proPhoto RGB, what you see is not what you'll get when you export in sRGB so editing becomes an annoying guesswork and may not be worth the effort because monitor/screen consistency is rather poor anyway. You can use the overview in PhotoShop when you switch the colour settings from proPhoto to sRGB, but still the result you will export is not the same as you see on photoshop even if you set the colour setting to sRGB (shadows tend to be much much deeper in the final image)...
I edit with the default setting in Photoshop. I calibrated my monitor with display Cal when i export picture & check to convert to sRGB the image looks more saturated than the document colors. Why is it happening? Document colors look dull & after comverting to sRGB looks more saturated!!
@@AliMukhtar53 On PS you can choose proPhoto, sRGB or a custom colour space that is optimized for you monitor (some monitors' options are already available inside PS). If you edit in proPhoto, you can be sure that the final pictures will look different. Printing should be consistent but I've no experience with prints so I don't know. You're probably using a custom colour space optimized for you monitor but this will visibly change your file colours already in PS so I tend to avoid it. I also avoid it because this way your images will look very different on different monitors/screens. sRGB should be the most consistent but thing is... It's not very consistent. Final images look different anyways and also look different on different screens. The difference is less evident compared to custom spaces but it's still there. I think you just have to accept it and try not to think about it. My only concern is that on some screens my images may looks awful and I don't know when I share them.
Absolutely. One good option is have a monitor that can have multiple color calibrations for different color spaces. For example Any of the BenQ SW line. You can also use duo gamut to see two different color spaces in side by side viewing. It is frustrating the resulting colors when going from a bright colourful image in Prophoto to the lowly sRGB space, even when you can preview the colors.
Man, you are such a sweet guy! What another GREAT (fun!) and SIMPLE presentation of The Subject. I've had always questions about this and, in the end, color profiles are not that complicated. Thank YOU, Aaron, my teacher.
Fantastic, approachable tutorial. However, I wonder about the recommendation to always edit in the ProPhoto color profile. In the use-case where you KNOW you're ultimately editing something that will be displayed (maybe exclusively) on the web, doesn't it make more sense to just work in sRGB? Otherwise how will you know what the image is actually going to look like once it's been converted?
Thank you, really interesting, but like quite a few others it would be really helpful if you could cover the next step, what settings to use to get accurate colours out of my home photo printer.
Aaron, how you can work with ProPhoto RGB color space and see/control all wide colors and gamma on iMac 27" monitor ? This monitor cover ONLY 99,9 % sRGB color space (maybe P3 ). Not Adobe RGB and not ProPhoto RGB of course. (With a wide color space you need to work only if the monitor have allows you to see it.)
I could be wrong here, but if you are really going to tweak an image...color grade it, etc., then you want as much color information as possible. This doesn’t mean you are going to be able to see all of those colors on your monitor...however, it will be better results making adjustments to the file. Imagine editing a raw file and a jpeg. They might look the same on your monitor, but the raw file has much more information, allowing you to have a lot more flexibility in editing. Am I correct?
I would say it doesnt matter if you cant see it, just work with the biggest amount of color so when you save for printing you have it available, thats what Im thinking I might be wrong
Yes, because if you use sRGB the color spectrum of your sRGB monitor will not be exploited. For example, the sRGB color 0 255 0 is internally converted to LAB and then returned to the monitor profile and then there is an ?? 90% saturated green on. If you use a ProPhoto 0 255 0 comes with your monitor? 100% saturated green on. This is not the most ingenious ProPhoto RGB green but the most saturated sRGB green. Take the test in Photoshop and put two documents next to each other, one with ProPhoto and one with sRGB and test what I described. Then you make a gradient from 0 255 0 to 0 255 0 on both pictures and you will see a significant difference. Finally, you can then convert the ProPhoto into sRGB and compare the two.
Thank you, Aaron! Your presentation style is excellent! You made a VERY difficult subject easier for me to understand (I still don't really understand it but I understand it a lot better than before because of this video). Keep up the good work!
Your explainations may confuse a lot of people, who don't understand color workflows in general. Which cameras or monitors do support ProPhoto RGB? My workflow is based on Adobe RGB because my camera and my monitor are both supporting Adobe RGB. As I know there are only a few printers capable for Adobe RGB. Which ProPhoto RGB printers are on the market? Wouldn't it helpful to give clear recommendations, how to set up an individual color workflow, based on the different capabilities and needs of the photographers?
exactly. I now upgraded my main monitor from an sRGB to a wide-gamut one and I still have a ton of questions on how calibrate everything properly and how to make sure that I see the "right" colors in different applications.
@@madsendk I have the same question. What is the point of working in a larger color space when you know that your outputs will always fit within AdobeRGB? For those who produce content for the web, isn't it the best idea to calibrate monitors and work within sRGB?
sRGB was not invented because of consistency with mobile devices, it was the color space of typical CRT monitors in 1996. The Adobe RGB compatible CRT's were very expensive.
So usefulll information. Great! Aaron, can you also make a tutorial on what is the proper setup in making a layout for a large print. I would like to put a large wallpaper in my room. Thank you so much, I am always watching you.
Would it not be worth speaking about the monitor you are editing on? Is there even any point working in prophoto when your editing monitor only supports 100%srgb, 80%adobe, no idea% prophoto?
I thought the same. The only reason to choose a bigger space is because it's less destructive when you do heavy processing that is damaging the quality of the image. But I am afraid of colour shifting in the end when converting to sRBG.
What are your settings for photo editing? Is it prophoto? I have just bought a monitor calibrated for 100%SRGB but then... shall I work on PS with prophoto? Shall I switch to SRGB instead because of my monitor?
For heavy editing I thought it was the color bit depth that mattered, not the color space? Higher bit depth = more color data, larger color space = colors are more distinguished from each other, but you don't get more of them
@@surelock3221 but with ProPhoto, the colors come closer to what our eyes see, and gradients become more realistic when processed, as there are more color differences to fall back on.
Yes, because if you use sRGB the color spectrum of your sRGB monitor will not be exploited. For example, the sRGB color 0 255 0 is internally converted to LAB and then returned to the monitor profile and then there is an ?? 90% saturated green on. If you use a ProPhoto 0 255 0 comes with your monitor? 100% saturated green on. This is not the most ingenious ProPhoto RGB green but the most saturated sRGB green. Take the test in Photoshop and put two documents next to each other, one with ProPhoto and one with sRGB and test what I described. Then you make a gradient from 0 255 0 to 0 255 0 on both pictures and you will see a significant difference. Finally, you can then convert the ProPhoto into sRGB and compare the two.
Now I can work with raw photos and convert color profiles also export for web and devices. I checked 3 - ask for profile mismatches, when opening and pasting concerning Color Management Polices in Color Settings panel. Most important also when editing images use color profile ProphotoRGB. Question: Where I will save Color Settings? Thank you for the most clear and professional explanations.
@Aaron Nace, I think you should enlighten everyone on what color space we should be shooting in , then this will probably make more sense to everyone and everything will rhyme.
Shoot in the largest space your body supports, usually Adobe RGB. Edit in ProPhoto. Print in ProPhoto (driver/rip handles conversion). Save in ProPhoto PSD. Export to sRGB when you can't control the display device. Hope this helps. Fully color-managed workflow here for 16 years. NEC Spectraview displays, Epson printers and Nikon bodies.
P.s. I hate apple products and have no idea if this guy's monitor is lame or not, but it doesn't matter. His advice is solid and he's made a very complex subject understandable. Excellent video imo. If anyone is struggling with color management it's not this guy's fault. It's SUPER complicated.
Thank you for great explanation about color spaces. I am confused about the actual workflow. I usually don't use PS, I edit my photos in LR and export when I publish them on web or on Instagram. My monitor can display 100% of Adobe RGB and sRBG. I shoot in RAW. Workflow option 1 is set the monitor to Adobe RGB, import photos, edit in ProPhoto although I cannot see the full spectrum due my monitor constraint. Then export it as Jpeg in sRGB. I just check how the picture looks like in a web browser and I switch my monitor to sRGB setting. In certain occasion there is a big difference and I have to get back to LR and make some new edits and redo the whole process. If my intention is only web or instagram publishing, would it make more sense to have the following workflow? Set the monitor to sRGB, import raw file into LR, edit it there. Then export as Jpeg in sRGB. In this case, I don't need to check if they look ok because what I see is what I have. I'd appreciate your help on this. Thanks.
what do you recommend using RGB color on monitor when editing or srgb. The SRGB looks similar to the final photo but rgb it looks over saturated when editing.
Color Spaces are VERY tricky business. And this video did not do a very good job at shedding light on the confusion. It left me with more questions than I had when I started watching. There was no mention about the camera's roll in this process (it's color space?) confusing statements such as, "your web browser can't interpret Adobe RGB" (which implies the image won't work unless it's sRGB yet...they do?), the necessity or lack thereof for color spaces beyond Adobe RGB when most monitors can't even support 100% of the Adobe RGB space, and more. I'm honestly so confused that I'm not even sure how to say exactly how I'm confused. This just simply left me with more questions than I had going into it...
So well explained, thankyou, a couple of questions......I have a MacBook Pro, what should the colour profile be on for my display? Also, when exporting in either Lightroom or Photoshop for printing photos, which colour space should we use?
Hi Sara! For printing we would suggest using the Color Profile Adobe RGB (1998) when exporting from Lightroom or Photoshop. This color space offers a wider range of colors compared to sRGB, which is commonly used for web displays. As for the color profile on your display, we usually use external color calibrators.
QUESTION: 11:43 when he's in convert to profile, he didn't change adobe 1998. My question is, do I convert it to sRGB before I export it, before I edit? or is it not necessary.
Thank you so much, very useful information. I have a question about os color profile and my display color profile (wide gamut dispaly) how to set and another question about printing. Which color space must be exported for printing. Many thanks 👍
Color Spaces are tricky business. Follow the guide below to keep your photo's colors as consistent as possible through your workflow!
0:57 Brief Background on Color Spaces
1:37 Common Color Spaces
3:04 Color Space Uses
4:32 Color Settings in Photoshop
9:32 Assigning Color Profiles to RAW
12:50 Color Settings from Lightroom to Photoshop
14:08 Color Settings for Export from Lightroom
Sorry but you made one mistake which you actually said. @12:40 you save the image but not embed the profile. Thats not good ;)
How about when you calibrate your monitor? You should use the Color Profile or Workspace of the result of Monitor Calibration? Or still stick with Pro Photo RGB/sRGB?
Wish y’all did for capture one my colors be desaturated when exporting
I wonder... it's just me or anyone thinks the same? Shouldn't we have the information of the color space we are currently working on a image instead of going to "convert to profile" just to check what's the profile? I always found it a bit strange on Photoshop...
In case anyone is wondering: this video is focused on *WEB PUBLISHING*
Thanks for your comment, very good info right there!
What if you are sending your file to a company who are printing on aluminum dibond ?
@@markredankite Best to ask them directly what color space they want the image to be in when you send to them.
thanks for the info!
As a commercial retoucher : IMHO Using ProPhotoRGB is a terrible idea, except maybe in a few niche cases. It's a persistent myth that there's anything to gain by going from AdobeRGB to ProPhotoRGB. Use AdobeRGB 16bit with a 10bit eizo monitor and a Quadro, geforce with 2019 studio drivers or FirePro. Thats all you ever need. No monitor comes close to matching ProPhoto RGB, heck most people sRGB monitors. Basically your flying blind with ProPhotoRGB. I dont know a single commercial photographer, retoucher or printer who ever use ProPhotoRGB. Im not saying that there can't be niche applications for ProPhotoRGB but as a rule of thumb is a terrible idea to advice the use of ProPhotoRGB to people who are not color management experts. AdobeRGB 16 bit as your workspace, sRGB as output unless otherwise has been agreed upon with your client. Thats just industry standard.
For the first time in years I finally understood very clearly how color spaces work, you made it very clear and simple, great video, thanks!!
I love this guy's honesty! "Put it in the top adobe! Its not even obvious you can click there!" So many times its not until i see a tutorial that i realize hey thats actually an option to click! *face palm*
PShop is not beginner friendly, thank God for these free tutorials or else I 'd be completely lost .
I think this has cleared up a LOT of misinformation. This question comes up SOO often in Facebook groups and you always get people guessing the answer or giving what is clearly the wrong answer. I personally learnt quite a bit from this and have adjusted some of my settings. A few times throughout i was think "ah but what about......." and within seconds you answered my thought. So well done on the video and well done on apparently reading my mind lol.
One of the most useful videos I saw, no crap only professional and well-explained data. Should be 10 times more views..
This is the best explanation of color spaces I ever found in web. Thanks, Aaron.
thank uuuuuu so much this was the best clearest most comprehensive video for someone who knows nothing about color spaces!
I was shooting, editing, and exporting all my photos in AdobeRGB. You have saved my proverbial bacon, my friend. Will ALWAYS export in sRGB now in Lightroom. Yikes.. to think what kind of calamity has already happened and would've happened if I didn't watch this vid!
This is one of the most helpful videos I have watched photography wise, if not the most helpful. Excellent.
A million thank yous for this! A complicated concept simply explained.
Okay, I really appreciate this video, but what I want to see is a comprehensive tutorial that not only focuses on the color spaces in PS, but covers the whole workflow. I now purchased a wide-gamut 10-bit monitor, Precision laptop with Quadro graphics (10bit/channel) card and monitor calibrator. It is not that easy to find easily-accessible information on how to correctly set everything up for work in different color spaces.
In less than 5 minutes I have learned a ton about color spaces, from you Aaron. I was just on the phone with BayPhoto.com because I wanted to print my photos to glass, acrylic, and metal for a comparison of two photos across all three medium respectively.
BayPhoto.com informed me that they print using Adobe RGB (1998), which I didn't know too much about. I was calling them because I also learned that BayPhoto.com and MetalPrints.com are sister companies and when I loaded my images into both websites, one of the images presented differently in the browser; which is what brought up the discussion about "Color Spaces."
Thank you for the tut' once again you've explained it in "plain speak " over the years you have improved my photoshop and photography skills beyond the call of duty, and for that I thank you
Thanks for this tutorial! It's saved me a bunch of time bringing photos in from LR that were in ProPhoto but didn't play well with an sRGB template I have to use regularly. Now it's set up to ask when transferring over to PS and I can switch automatically to sRGB on import.
Thank you, thank you!!! I was looking for this info everywhere and it was so confusing! You explained just perfectly clear!
Nicely done Aaron. That's a lot of information to cover in a way people can understand. Thanks! However I do have two comments.
First, because I open multiple images at a time in Photoshop which are usually RAW or exported from Lightroom previously as ProPhoto for further editing in Photoshop, I do NOT have my working space as sRGB. That would drive me bonkers. I have the workspace set to ProPhoto. If I set it to sRGB then every file I open would give me a prompt due to the ProPhoto colourspace in the file and the mismatched sRGB workspace. It hurts just thinking about it. My workflow is 100 percent Prophoto until I export from Photoshop for print or web. No prompts appear unless I open a file without a colourspace, which would be something downloaded from the web as you said.
Second, your section on exporting from Lightroom assumed that you would only export from Lightroom for use on the web, thus the sRGB colourspace for export. However many (most?) pro/semi-pro users would do some work in Lightroom on multiple files and then export (save) those files for further editing at some point in Photoshop. Those exports should be in PROPHOTO, not sRGB! If you dumb down the file on export from Lightroom, then you lose all that colour information. Once it's gone it's gone. Opening that sRGB file in Photoshop, even in a Prophoto colourspace, will not get you back all that data you threw away. So I would suggest that there are multiple paths or workflows you could have, depending on how you plan to edit. Maintaining a ProPhoto colourspace ALL through the edits and workflow is very important. The sRGB conversion should be done on that last export for print or web.
Thank you so much for this editorial, i have really struggled with my colours and this as made so much sense now. Please keep up the great work as i find photoshop so very difficult kind regards Lee
Brilliant video explaining a complicated topic in a simple fashion. I finally get it!
Thanks Aaron - very helpful! I would also appreciate a tutorial about color profiles used by print shops and how to install them and select them in PhotoShop for exporting images for printing (if the print shop offers them - e.g. COSTCO does if you talk the right person).
Damn dude, this was super helpful. I know almost nothing about photoshop and I was editing an image that I screenshotted but when I opened it it was darker and more saturated, and it happened again after opening the exported version. Turns out the Color Settings were all out of wack. Thanks!
Thankyou, at last some who doesn't overcomplicate a complex subject
Thank you sooo much for your videos. I was having trouble with my photos.
Excellent, you are always smiling .thanks for everything
Hi Aaron Nace,
In-depth High-level tutorial.
I am your UA-cam fan since 2012, almost, I have seen your all Photoshop and Lightroom tutorial and learned many things. I SUBSCRIBED your UA-cam channel "PHLEARN" and ring the bell so never miss your any update.
Thank you!
Sadat
You are a good teacher! Explaining verse clearly.
You never cease to amaze me. I got it! Finally taught in a way I could understand. Thank you
This was super helpful! I have never understood the different color spaces and now I TOTALLY get it!! Thanks for the tips to change settings in Photoshop and Lightroom too.
Aaron Stark! Iron Photoshopman! Great and clear tutorial!
Very well explained, thank you very much! Do you like to do another part explaining calibrating and profiling a monitor? And another part creating images for prints in a special ISO Coated profile?
This video helped explain something I have been avoiding for years because I thought it was too complex for me to understand. So for that I thank you so much. Although you missed something important at 12:45. You forgot to check "Embed Color Profile" and thus saved the image WITHOUT embedding the color profile! Leaving you with an image which requires the fix you laid out at length at 6:15. Be the solution not the problem! ha. Anyways, just a little note, but love the videos!
Thank you, i had this damn problem when i transfer photo form Lightroom and camera raw to photoshop and the colours changed. and finally i resolved thanks to you.
Something else worth noting is that it's a common recommendation to use more than 8 bits when working with ProPhoto RGB since its gamut is so big
Thank you so very much Aaron! Very helpful tutorial!
Still the trickiest part is:
When you edit in proPhoto RGB, what you see is not what you'll get when you export in sRGB so editing becomes an annoying guesswork and may not be worth the effort because monitor/screen consistency is rather poor anyway. You can use the overview in PhotoShop when you switch the colour settings from proPhoto to sRGB, but still the result you will export is not the same as you see on photoshop even if you set the colour setting to sRGB (shadows tend to be much much deeper in the final image)...
I edit with the default setting in Photoshop. I calibrated my monitor with display Cal when i export picture & check to convert to sRGB the image looks more saturated than the document colors. Why is it happening?
Document colors look dull & after comverting to sRGB looks more saturated!!
@@AliMukhtar53 On PS you can choose proPhoto, sRGB or a custom colour space that is optimized for you monitor (some monitors' options are already available inside PS).
If you edit in proPhoto, you can be sure that the final pictures will look different. Printing should be consistent but I've no experience with prints so I don't know.
You're probably using a custom colour space optimized for you monitor but this will visibly change your file colours already in PS so I tend to avoid it. I also avoid it because this way your images will look very different on different monitors/screens.
sRGB should be the most consistent but thing is... It's not very consistent. Final images look different anyways and also look different on different screens. The difference is less evident compared to custom spaces but it's still there. I think you just have to accept it and try not to think about it. My only concern is that on some screens my images may looks awful and I don't know when I share them.
Absolutely. One good option is have a monitor that can have multiple color calibrations for different color spaces. For example Any of the BenQ SW line. You can also use duo gamut to see two different color spaces in side by side viewing. It is frustrating the resulting colors when going from a bright colourful image in Prophoto to the lowly sRGB space, even when you can preview the colors.
One of the most informative videos I've ever watched :)
This video helped me better understand the color spaces that the programs and cameras have....thank you! Definitely will subscribe to your channel.
You are always so clear! I finally got it ! you are great !
Man, you are such a sweet guy! What another GREAT (fun!) and SIMPLE presentation of The Subject. I've had always questions about this and, in the end, color profiles are not that complicated. Thank YOU, Aaron, my teacher.
I was walking and suddenly remembered this and i search it and now i feel like I've accomplished something so good
Fantastic, approachable tutorial.
However, I wonder about the recommendation to always edit in the ProPhoto color profile. In the use-case where you KNOW you're ultimately editing something that will be displayed (maybe exclusively) on the web, doesn't it make more sense to just work in sRGB? Otherwise how will you know what the image is actually going to look like once it's been converted?
That's what I was wondering too. I wonder if he somehow misspoke and meant to say 16-bit?
Thanks Aaron, very instructive. I really appreciate the time and preparation you invest in preparing your exceptional tutorials. Much appreciated!
Superexcellent Aaron, very helpful. A million thanks!
This is so helpful and well explained. Thanks
very easy to understand, even for me who English is not my mother tongue. Thanks a lot!
Love your content Aaron, I learned so much from you for MY OWN UA-cam THUMBNAILS.
This was a really perfect explanation and walk through as always. Thank you x
Thank you, really interesting, but like quite a few others it would be really helpful if you could cover the next step, what settings to use to get accurate colours out of my home photo printer.
Aaron, how you can work with ProPhoto RGB color space and see/control all wide colors and gamma on iMac 27" monitor ?
This monitor cover ONLY 99,9 % sRGB color space (maybe P3 ). Not Adobe RGB and not ProPhoto RGB of course.
(With a wide color space you need to work only if the monitor have allows you to see it.)
thats an excellent question. I will be looking forward to aarons answer
I could be wrong here, but if you are really going to tweak an image...color grade it, etc., then you want as much color information as possible. This doesn’t mean you are going to be able to see all of those colors on your monitor...however, it will be better results making adjustments to the file. Imagine editing a raw file and a jpeg. They might look the same on your monitor, but the raw file has much more information, allowing you to have a lot more flexibility in editing. Am I correct?
I would say it doesnt matter if you cant see it, just work with the biggest amount of color so when you save for printing you have it available, thats what Im thinking I might be wrong
Yes, because if you use sRGB the color spectrum of your sRGB monitor will not be exploited. For example, the sRGB color 0 255 0 is internally converted to LAB and then returned to the monitor profile and then there is an ?? 90% saturated green on. If you use a ProPhoto 0 255 0 comes with your monitor? 100% saturated green on. This is not the most ingenious ProPhoto RGB green but the most saturated sRGB green.
Take the test in Photoshop and put two documents next to each other, one with ProPhoto and one with sRGB and test what I described. Then you make a gradient from 0 255 0 to 0 255 0 on both pictures and you will see a significant difference. Finally, you can then convert the ProPhoto into sRGB and compare the two.
This is very well explained. I wished you had gone over assign profile and convert profile though
You are such an expert and intelligent guy
Thank you , for the first time I understand PS color settings. They were very confusing.
Thank you, Aaron! Your presentation style is excellent! You made a VERY difficult subject easier for me to understand (I still don't really understand it but I understand it a lot better than before because of this video). Keep up the good work!
Your explainations may confuse a lot of people, who don't understand color workflows in general. Which cameras or monitors do support ProPhoto RGB? My workflow is based on Adobe RGB because my camera and my monitor are both supporting Adobe RGB. As I know there are only a few printers capable for Adobe RGB. Which ProPhoto RGB printers are on the market?
Wouldn't it helpful to give clear recommendations, how to set up an individual color workflow, based on the different capabilities and needs of the photographers?
exactly. I now upgraded my main monitor from an sRGB to a wide-gamut one and I still have a ton of questions on how calibrate everything properly and how to make sure that I see the "right" colors in different applications.
NO cameras or monitors do support ProPhoto RGB. BUT the file has more colors thats way it is better to always start with ProPhoto RGB...
@@sarimner How can you edit colors you can't see?
@@madsendk I have the same question. What is the point of working in a larger color space when you know that your outputs will always fit within AdobeRGB? For those who produce content for the web, isn't it the best idea to calibrate monitors and work within sRGB?
@@madsendk read this mabye you will get it. luminous-landscape.com/understanding-prophoto-rgb/
Thanks for the info and always producing great content.
sRGB was not invented because of consistency with mobile devices, it was the color space of typical CRT monitors in 1996. The Adobe RGB compatible CRT's were very expensive.
did he say that's why it was invented, or did he just say that's why the web reads it?
So usefulll information. Great! Aaron, can you also make a tutorial on what is the proper setup in making a layout for a large print. I would like to put a large wallpaper in my room. Thank you so much, I am always watching you.
Really excellent and useful thanks Aaron
awesome video! remember! it's east to take away, but a lot harder to add.
Beautifully explained:) I'm not great with colour- can use all the help I can get!
Would it not be worth speaking about the monitor you are editing on?
Is there even any point working in prophoto when your editing monitor only supports 100%srgb, 80%adobe, no idea% prophoto?
I thought the same. The only reason to choose a bigger space is because it's less destructive when you do heavy processing that is damaging the quality of the image.
But I am afraid of colour shifting in the end when converting to sRBG.
What are your settings for photo editing? Is it prophoto? I have just bought a monitor calibrated for 100%SRGB but then... shall I work on PS with prophoto? Shall I switch to SRGB instead because of my monitor?
For heavy editing I thought it was the color bit depth that mattered, not the color space? Higher bit depth = more color data, larger color space = colors are more distinguished from each other, but you don't get more of them
@@surelock3221 but with ProPhoto, the colors come closer to what our eyes see, and gradients become more realistic when processed, as there are more color differences to fall back on.
Yes, because if you use sRGB the color spectrum of your sRGB monitor will not be exploited. For example, the sRGB color 0 255 0 is internally converted to LAB and then returned to the monitor profile and then there is an ?? 90% saturated green on. If you use a ProPhoto 0 255 0 comes with your monitor? 100% saturated green on. This is not the most ingenious ProPhoto RGB green but the most saturated sRGB green.
Take the test in Photoshop and put two documents next to each other, one with ProPhoto and one with sRGB and test what I described. Then you make a gradient from 0 255 0 to 0 255 0 on both pictures and you will see a significant difference. Finally, you can then convert the ProPhoto into sRGB and compare the two.
very helpful.. I would like to know if you have tutorials for exporting picture for print and aome tuturials for banding issues? All the best!
That was helpful. But I'd like to see a practical comparison between prophoto rgb and srgb .
Yay! Thanks so much Aaron. I was struggling getting to the bottom of this information. Cannot wait to go home and check my settings. 👍
Love these videos! so easy to follow and understand
Now I can work with raw photos and convert color profiles also export for web and devices. I checked 3 - ask for profile mismatches, when opening and pasting concerning Color Management Polices in Color Settings panel. Most important also when editing images use color profile ProphotoRGB. Question: Where I will save Color Settings? Thank you for the most clear and professional explanations.
Not only a great actor, but also Tony Stark understand a lot of things in photoshop, wow!
This video save my life!!
Really interesting video, very well explained, but need to watch it a few times ...??
@Aaron Nace, I think you should enlighten everyone on what color space we should be shooting in , then this will probably make more sense to everyone and everything will rhyme.
Shoot in the largest space your body supports, usually Adobe RGB. Edit in ProPhoto. Print in ProPhoto (driver/rip handles conversion). Save in ProPhoto PSD. Export to sRGB when you can't control the display device. Hope this helps. Fully color-managed workflow here for 16 years. NEC Spectraview displays, Epson printers and Nikon bodies.
P.s. I hate apple products and have no idea if this guy's monitor is lame or not, but it doesn't matter. His advice is solid and he's made a very complex subject understandable. Excellent video imo.
If anyone is struggling with color management it's not this guy's fault. It's SUPER complicated.
@@unusedacct8833 I think this is absolutely right.
I love your videos. Thanks a lot. Very helpful.
It´s a very important tutorial. Many o us don´t know much about it. Thanks
Excellent informative tutorial , many thanks
Great video: well-paced, informative, and accurate. Thank you.
Quick Question: Why PSD instead TIFF when exporting from Lightroom to Photohop?
This was super useful! I have been struggling finding the correct color settings for when I draw and upload on deviantArt. Very informative!
Thank you for great explanation about color spaces. I am confused about the actual workflow. I usually don't use PS, I edit my photos in LR and export when I publish them on web or on Instagram. My monitor can display 100% of Adobe RGB and sRBG. I shoot in RAW.
Workflow option 1 is set the monitor to Adobe RGB, import photos, edit in ProPhoto although I cannot see the full spectrum due my monitor constraint. Then export it as Jpeg in sRGB. I just check how the picture looks like in a web browser and I switch my monitor to sRGB setting. In certain occasion there is a big difference and I have to get back to LR and make some new edits and redo the whole process.
If my intention is only web or instagram publishing, would it make more sense to have the following workflow?
Set the monitor to sRGB, import raw file into LR, edit it there. Then export as Jpeg in sRGB. In this case, I don't need to check if they look ok because what I see is what I have.
I'd appreciate your help on this. Thanks.
what do you recommend using RGB color on monitor when editing or srgb. The SRGB looks similar to the final photo but rgb it looks over saturated when editing.
Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks for clearing that up Aaron
you just made my life easier ...... thanks a lot
Well done on a tough topic !! Thx
Great stuff.Thank YOU!
This came at a right time.
Color Spaces are VERY tricky business. And this video did not do a very good job at shedding light on the confusion. It left me with more questions than I had when I started watching. There was no mention about the camera's roll in this process (it's color space?) confusing statements such as, "your web browser can't interpret Adobe RGB" (which implies the image won't work unless it's sRGB yet...they do?), the necessity or lack thereof for color spaces beyond Adobe RGB when most monitors can't even support 100% of the Adobe RGB space, and more. I'm honestly so confused that I'm not even sure how to say exactly how I'm confused. This just simply left me with more questions than I had going into it...
Thanks so much very helpful!
This video is incredible
Great tutorial for one of the most badly understood bits in photography!
Thanks mate! Great information :)
Very helpful as always! Thank you! :)
oh, it all makes perfect sense now, thanks 😊
Thanks for the video. What about when it comes to printing with a lab? Is there a good rule to follow?
This had so much useful info. Thanks!
Very informative! Thank you!
So well explained, thankyou, a couple of questions......I have a MacBook Pro, what should the colour profile be on for my display?
Also, when exporting in either Lightroom or Photoshop for printing photos, which colour space should we use?
Hi Sara! For printing we would suggest using the Color Profile Adobe RGB (1998) when exporting from Lightroom or Photoshop. This color space offers a wider range of colors compared to sRGB, which is commonly used for web displays.
As for the color profile on your display, we usually use external color calibrators.
Thank you so much for this wonderful information
And I have one doubt the color space and color profile is the same?
Very nice explain. Now how about printing? ;-)
John
In photoshop, in color settings -> Working Spaces -> Gray you must select Gray Gamma 2.2 (for calibrated monitors)! It's important for photograpers!!!
Well done! Complicated but I understood it
QUESTION: 11:43 when he's in convert to profile, he didn't change adobe 1998. My question is, do I convert it to sRGB before I export it, before I edit? or is it not necessary.
Thank you so much, very useful information. I have a question about os color profile and my display color profile (wide gamut dispaly) how to set and another question about printing. Which color space must be exported for printing. Many thanks 👍