Which Sci-Fi Faction has the BEST ARMY? | WH40k, StarCraft, Halo, Star Wars
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We look at Warhammer 40k, StarCraft, Halo and Star Wars lore on today's episode of Sci-Fi Factions Compared.
The UNSC Navy, including the Spartan and ODST branch. The Imperium of Man's Astra Militarum Imperial Guard. The Terran Dominion's Marine Army. The Galactic Republic's Clone Army. Which one of these ground forces is the best designed and why? All of that and more on today's episode of Sci-Fi Factions Compared.
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"Spartan 2s were abducted from birth..."
Primarchs: Ha! We weren't even born before we got abducted!
That's Heresy- Oh, sorry sirs...
Irish Spartan Studios that’s M’lords to you human.
Haha
Get Ass if that was true I’d look like Ryan Renalds or someone who was actually attractive.
@CallSignLava damn right
Imperial Guard: we have more men than the enemy has rounds
Obj. 277 ww1 Russian troops against the germans
@@giantturtlecat2959 wait what
Namgyal Chughar
Regiments of Imperial Guard
not if i limit the points, *evil laugh*
have you ever heard of the tragedy of darth plagius the wise
Star Wars: “Sir, we have lost 3,000,000 troopers! We must pull back!”
“Host a planetary wide evacuation!!!!”
WH40K: “Sir.. We lost 3,000,000,000 guardsmen.”
“Throw another 3,000,000,000 for good measure I guess.....”
Just crash a blackstone fortress on them
ADAM MOHAMAD ALI if only Star Wars operated with numbers like that
Master chief: 😐
Grant Fuller
Space Marine: 😶
Master Chief and the Jedi: “This is where the fun begins”
40k loses "Impossible. Perhaps the Archives Are Incomplete."
Jebu911
file-Titans: missing
file-Astartes: missing
file-Saroritus: missing
file-Navy: missing
file-stormtroopers: missing
file-armor: missing
file-psychers: missing
You get the picture
@@sonofthewolfguardianofthef1214 Inquisiton, missing. Technology, missing. Morale, missing. The chance of just destroying whole solar system because it is just "not worth the efford" missing.
Annie Shineblossom
The chance of virus bombing because it’s not worth the effort. The Imperiam would gladly kill several billion “traitors” then simply recolonization the planet.
The chance of planetary destruction would take a useless, chaos/xenos infestation, backwards, and actually not worth the effort. The siege of Vraks is an example of when the Inquisition doesn’t think that Exterminatus is viable.
Well. It was about the effictifnes. Not the numbers. If you scale down the guard to star wars proportions they would fail misserbaly. And if you scale up the clones they would probably destroy them. You could say a guardsman is 1 point and clone is 5.
40k fans: *WHAT IS THIS HERESY?*
Imperial Guard: *Cries in Cadia. “The planet broke before the guard did.”
because of numbers mostly though. Its not like the kill/death ratio was super amazing or anything.
Len Kagamine they were literally holding off endless swarms of demons and a super sized battle station rammed their planet till it breaks, and they still fighting. Kill/death ratio not amazing? I doubt it.
@@yokgor4675 13th crusade....12 won 1 lost is a nice k/d ratio when fighting demons and demigods...
90% cruelties: *ABSOLUTE VICTORY*
An Imperial Guard thinking about Cadia and laughing?
The Death Korps of Krieg would like to talk to you about the importance of morale on the battlefield.
The death keeps of kreig can do what they always do become players and players of meet shields
When Death Korps are told to hold line they WILL hold line
@@madzistropudzitto3229 they need comissar to prevent them from bayonet charge out of the line
Discipline is mordian iron guard thing
@@helsreach8954 not like they shoot comissars for cowordice on Vraks
You all do realize that the Clone Troopers are raised from birth to be soldiers and artificially aged to be adults in 9 years so are as discipline as the Mordian Iron Guard and as zealous as the Death Korps of Krieg.
You also realize that the UNSC recruits from all 800 of their colonies. Mostly from the militia. These colonies include Titan a planet that makes Slavlar look like a nice place to live.
So yeah their as discipline as they come and get a A in freaking insanity from most normal Guard units. Even the Death Korps of Krieg might reconsider their position when down to a squad with combat knives and a 2,000lbs 9 ft plus tall giant ape in power armor wielding a Gravity hammer comes charging at them.
That would be normal for the UNSC Marines and Army Troopers.
So fighting something human size is a relief. Then again the UNSC is likely to join the Guard in kicking the other factions asses.
When you have to eliminate the Astartes so that the other factions can stand a chance.
They are apart of the Adeptus, not the actual Military - and even then Space Marines are actually very rare to run across in the 40k Galaxy.
@@quicke5486 is true but so are the spartans for halo as well
@@allytank-itykitty7417 Spartans are apart of the Navy, not their own thing.
@@quicke5486 Right. And Ecks include Spartans Anyways xD
But Ecks ignores completely the power of the Inquisition armies (Ordo Hereticus, Xenos, Malleus) and he said there's not air support in 40K. Not even Valkyries and Marauders? Not even Leman Russ tank or BANEBLAAAAAADEEEEE?
And they still don't!
Reading the actual books on imperial guard is a real eye opener to how well trained and actually capable the imperial guard are
Everyone thinking guardsmen are all conscripts..
@@Crazyd6666 most people think they are conscripts who dont give a shit when really they are putting their lives on the line willingly and another misconception is tha they hate their commissars which they dont?
@@KageRuffian I'm pretty sure that till date it's only Commissar Cain and another one whose name I vant remember are the only commisars that weren't shot by their own squads in an "accident". Commissar cain says that because once a commisar kills too many guardsmen he becomes disliked amongst the guard and is viewed as a bigger threat than the enemy and in a firefight no will bat an eye if the said commisar was shot in an accidental friendly fire.
The reason they are looked at as cannon fodder is because everything they face is basically literally from hell and they die by the trillions. That said, the fact they ever win against the insane manner of soul ravaging monsters thrown at them is a testament to their skill and courage.
the real reason is nobody cnows the difference between whit Schild and gard
So, the Imperial Army-
“The Imperial Guard,”
“Astra Militarum,”
THE WALL OF GUNS...
ASuddenRedFox I see you also enjoy tts
A man of culture.
I WANT TO BOOP THE SNOOT
@@Karlstan03 NO BOOPING
"our flashlight boys"
Enter the video "Eh, 40k is gonna wreck this"
20 seconds later "which army is best from a logical and organizational point of view"
"Whelp, 40k is gonna be last then"
Félix Dubois in organization it's definitely the Terrans
Félix Dubois if it were evn numbers 40k woyld get crushed
Heresy!!!
This heretic blasphemes the god emperor! Heretic! Heretic! Heretic!
Organization I believe it's the Unsc like their military is so perfectly all around like the republic is missing out some essentials and the terrans are so close to the unsc
If you really think about it the Astra Militarum does considerably well organizational. If you put any of the other factions in the 40k universe and crank up the size of what they have to cover territory wise, it would be absolute heck for them too.
I mean Warhammer is literally just Big numbers VS Big numbers. (if there are even numbers, we all know the lack of facts in warhammer... )
Also I love it how he compleatly ignored every another faction in 40k essentialy decided that yea the guard doesn't have air support but technically its the navy job wich is not aviable wich is a lie as every planet has its airports that are still considered navy meaning that guard always has air support potential, then the lack of armored support, yea that's just straigh up wrong as the guard uses a lot of vehicles depends on their job and Battlefield
Finally I whould like to adres the fact that there are guard regiments that specialize in varius activities, not every guard regiment is just atrition specialist, those are deployed only on battlefields that need it, for smaller more specialized areas you have diferent regiments, the guard is not a hammer, its a toolbox you have a regiment for every task and unles you're forced into using a wrong one you will always have best troops for said task
The thing is the clones had like 1,300,00 men but that’s basically how many men the guard losses for some random hill in the middle of no where
Those are apostrophes
(,) that is a comma
@@LibertyPrimed ok
That and you seriously expect me to believe that the Republic only had 1.3 million clones for their entire military? You have third world countries on Earth with more men than that in their militaries, how do you expect me to believe that's enough for an entire galaxy?
@@LibertyPrimed YOOOOOO TEXAS RAH RAH
But that’s based on power not effectiveness/organization which is how he’s as ranking them.
Eckhartsladder: puts Warhammer 40k in 4th place.
The entire Warhammer community: *whips out Lore books*
I am part of them as well.
Only because he's judging them relative to their enemy in-universe, not directly to each other.
It's completely correct. An army that measures the success of a battle in casulties is not a good army. Hell, the Death Korps of Krieg have an average lifespan of 17 seconds. "Alright, maggots! That's your first day! Now go out there grab a gun from the last squad. They don't need 'em anymore. Any questions?" "Yea, why don't we get our own guns?" *ExecutionShot* "Any further questions?" *Silence* "Wonderful, now swarm the enemy and drown 'em in your blood! For the Emperor!" *nervous mumbeling* "I said: FOR THE EMPEROR!" "F-F-For the emperor!"
Okay, there ARE some effective parts in the guard, but they are all very squishy. And then you have Commissars... the most scary thing for an imperial soldier ain't Demons or giant insects from Hell... no it is the Gestapo Nazi guy right next to them.
That's not effective... I mean AT ALL.
But the guard isn't designed to be effective... it's designed to be desperate and to transport a WW1-Trench-Fight feeling... and WW1 was FAR from being effective.
So actually the Astra Militarum should be on the 5th place to be honest... and don't ask me about Lasguns or the most shitty standard weapon of that universe.
Just look into the gameplay of that army in the tabletop. Ever tried to play the guard like an elite army? It is possible but the only real strength of that army is their numbers... hence again not effective.
@@philippschmitz1787 true, but you're forgetting about the imperial guards biggest asset that was never covered in this video. "BANEBLADE!" and other ground vehicles like the basilisk or the lemon russ battle tanks
@@robertpillsbury2218 No, I didn't forget those metal coffins. The thing is, the guard was never considered to carry the majority of military responibility. That was a task for the Space Marines, that were designed as guardian angels. The guard was disigned as a support troop... while space marines should be the masses... but then came horus heresy and all went down south and uspide down. Now you have a mass canon fodder army with cheap equipment that is designed to be cheap, because the guard is for support not to carry a full blown war.
BTW In a world of interstellar warp travel and world destroying exterminati, a world war one tank is not really effective... and the bigger it gets the less effective it is. The Tau got that right as they have a very modern approach on warfare. Having the biggest of something almost always just means "LOOK AT MY SHINING BALLS, DUUUUDE!!!".
But let us speak about the Baneblade at its level of effectiveness... which tends towards null... Why? Because it so darn heavy that it would sink into any kind of soil. So you have a very much immobile bunker with a fuckload of weapons... a HUUUUGE target that explodes like a plasma bomb if you manage to destroy it... but because it is a huge target you can barely miss it. Shoot it long enough and it will blow up in your enemy's face. Look at those conceptual Nazi-Tanks Maus and Ratte. The Maus was even built (and roughly the size of a malcador heavy tank), but it was to heavy for the most roads, so it had to be transported via train... but the journey ended when they noticed that it's too big for like every railway tunnel. But even if they did manage it to bring it to any battlefield, it could've been used on asphalt only. So no open field battles with the Maus. And a Baneblade is more than twice as big, which makes the BB exponential heavier. So you'd need a whole infrastructure only to get that thing anywhere. That's not even CLOSE to effective. It just a huge chunk of explosive metal that lumbers over the battlefield just to get stuck forever in the next mud pool.
@@MansMan42069 Your grammar has surpass the limits of comprehension. What do you mean?
4th place!? You put my divinely chosen armies in 4th place?! Galactic Civil War? We call that Tuesday
I'm sorry to inform his majesty but your imperal army has been broken up into hundreds of individual specilzed armies to the point your adminastrium can't properly supply it at all times. Basically your high lords over reacted to what they are calling the Horse Heresy. And practically destroyed all your organization structures. The imperium has also become religious and worship your majesty in total violation of your law the Imperal Truth.
John2r1 - HERETAC !!! I need a heavy flamer for this amount of heresy..
"Ave Dominus Nox!"
@@John2r1 horse heresy? That alone is heresy on it own.
I do not recall a horse joining the forces of chaos.
@@Kimi-uk6lf yep but its what the Illegal by the Imperal Truth.
@@Kimi-uk6lfdude this fucking horse he's the horse of Archaon come into the 40 millenium show is pride
You see the imperial guard is hard to put in a spot because there military philosophy is so different that any other faction. In the 40k universe lives are the most expendable asset in war. The imperium has entire planets that are able to be strip mined for all the minerals and metals they need, so losing entire guard regiments is completely acceptable. In another universe you would say “Oh no! We lost a troop Carrier, that will really affect my combat.” But in the 40k universe you say “Welp, I lost a couple fleets in the warp, whatever send the assault.” Also I believe that if the singular soldier of the imperium wished to live longer and have better tactics they would but their belief system is that this is there last battle and they are willing to lay down there lives for the great god emperor.
9:30 okay a few things
1) not counting the Imperial Guard without even the Sisters of Battle is the same as saying “we’re taking a look at Halo Space Marines without any supporting elements like Spartans”
2) the diversity of the Guard allows it to be a specialized fighting force on any given planet
3) the Imperial Guard has a bottom line some regiments go above and beyond some don’t
4) Imperial Guard regiments are expensive and well maintained
5) you sound like you’re taking about PDFs not Imperial Guardsmen there’s a difference
6) the burocraticy is bloated not the military
7) Imperial Guard regiments when not fighting other humans rely on Astartes, Titans, and Naval elements because that’s the balance of power in the setting you cannot take a single element of an extremely complex military and separate it
You seem bottered cause 40K didn't win this, it happens yk
@@astroboy890n he isn’t wrong though removing
The astartes is like removing the spartans they are essentially the same thing when it comes to each army,they serve as the “Best of the best”
Halo gets their rare Spartans and naval support, but 40k gets just grunts and no mention of titans. I agree that star wars comes out on top (ignoring the movies clones can't aim trope) because 40k is supposed to be dark and incompetent superiors is a part of that
calm down bro, at 10:53 he KNOWS he is being Biased, and we all can tell, so its ok but just calm down
@@isaacwright407 dont 40K get support of Salamanders and other classes of space marines deployed on battle? I primarily mention Salamanders cause they are willing to save inocents and such
You’re a guardsman, you’re not meant to kill the enemy, your meant to expend enemy ammunition
Krieg: I see that an absolute win.
@@riveraharper8166 *Procceds to charge with a shovel*
Have you considered contacting your local Inquisitor sir?
RG 13 NOBODY EXPECTS *THE SPANISH INQUISITION*
@@typhus7796 No, but I really loved Monty Python
The heretic which constructed this projection had not even considered how formidable the guard can be, they even pose some threat to the adeptus astartes. So my brother I think the heretic is a chaos spy!
I love how dramatic all us 40K fans are about this.
no point hes already contacted you, and found you guilt of heresy
Imperial guard: stopped artillery bombardment of city three years after they surrendered
Krieg offered the hive city to surrender before they started shelling
5 years in the hive city attempted to surrender, Krieg ignored it stating that it was a trick and that heretics weren't to be negotiated with
another 5 years and everything inside the walls was dead
3 more years of shelling and the hive city was rubble
It was a boring 13 years
@@keatonburton6064 wanna see us do it again?
And again?
@@keatonburton6064what? Do it on a BIGGER scale? Sure!
The standard infantry IG lasgun doesn't require any sort of ammo or power pack and can be recharged with minimum exposure from any light source. It seems to me they solved a really big logistic problem.
The thing being recharged is a power pack. It's a laser gun. It requires power to fire the lasers. Thus has power packs.
Guardsmen are issued 4 power packs roughly speaking. Each pack has enough charge for 150 shots before needing to be recharged. That's 600 rounds per guardsmen. Relatively speaking though like all infantryman a guardsmen is a driven thief and horder of ammunition. In this case the power packs. Considering power packs are estimated to weigh about as much as a modern rifle magazine or about 1lbs . A guardsmen could carry a lot of them. Standard modern load is 7 mags though it's common to carry more mags than the standard. I suspect the Imperial Guardsmen to do the same with power packs.
The fact that they can be recharged via Plug in Charger, Solar panel or even laying them close to a fire. Though charging via fire does reduce the battery life and can turn the power pack into a frag grenade by accident.
@Asher Simpson lol yeah. And the lasgun is weak af in the universe. I find that hilarious cause everything is just so overpoeered in this beloved universe. God i love it so much lol.
@Asher Simpson If it existed in our universe the lasers would not be capable of long distance because of thermal booming.
The Lasgun range in 40k is likely just 300m which is actually the effective range of most modern military rifles.
So it wouldn't be the wonder weapon your imaging. Plus it's not that effective against armor. The limbs blowing off thing is also something a modern shotgun is capable of . Because the limbs in question are unarmored.
Modern boron carbide armor would also absorb some of the heat. Of course no recoil does mean improved accuracy. Then again there are books that talk about the Lasguns having recoil similar to a modern rifle.
Oh and considering hitting someone with a laser rifle would not be nearly as effective as the butt of any modern rifle due to the light weight of the Lasgun. It would not be very good at melee combat.
Of course it's designed to be used at standard ranges and to drop the target before it gets too close.
And the makeshift grenade aspect is actually equally as dangerous to the Guardsmen as it is the enemy. As the lasgun doesn't give a warning that it's about to explode. You could be shooting fine , switch power packs and the next shot cause the weapon to explode in your hands. This is why fire recharging is a desperate measure.
@@John2r1 You're thinking of OUR range of technology limits, and thermal blooming would happen to a blaster bolt too if we made one. Difference is you accept the blaster and its technology ad more advanced then ours. Whatever is described, the Imperium of Man is a civilization that can support over a 1 million planets, with untolds Quadrillions of people, you would need a technological base exponentially more advanced them our state of being to do that. That's why the lasgun works for warhammer, who's to say they haven't worked out a solution to thermal blooming along with whatever technological hindrances we have today to manufacture them.
You say a shotgun can blow off a limb, you can.....when you're less then 10 feet away from a target and depends on what kind of shell you're using. You have a weapon that can do so at 30x that range and even further through lore. No to mention 8 vs 150 shots, and last I checked, soft KEVLAR can stop a shotgun blast, which a lasgun pretty much ignores. Hardened plate-type armor is the only thing that stops a lasgun, and such armor takes buckshot and slugs like child's play.
A lasgun bolt has the performance that is slightly weaker to a .454 or .50 caliber super sonic round....without recoil or the need to account for ballistic drop, with the only hard downsides as having limited hard armor penetration and having your position revealed.
@@ISAFSoldier just look at warhammer plasma weapons and they are clearly better than a lasgun but extremely rare
With that logic it follows that plasma is better than a laser and a blaster is a very common plasma weapon, and just seeing what these do in the star wars legends you get the idea
Besides having 500 shots for a gas tube the size of a bullet I think the blaster has a lot of advantage
It's just my humble opinion...
"The clone army was not at all a blunt weapon,"
Well obviously nobody told the Jedi that.
The Jedi where not soldiers let alone general's.
All the Jedi Knights and Masters that held the rank of General, and led the Clone armies in battle beg to differ.
@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky they were forced into that conflict . not by willingness fun
@@Gadget-Walkmen and? Were the clones given a choice?
I think he means they where not generals in the same way that I'd still not really be a general even if for some crazy reason I was conscripted and promoted right now
*glances at non-40k armies* "Blessed are they that reap the sinners from the sight of the Emperor."
*arms Atmospheric Incinerator Torpedo*
*aims literally every Star Wars superweapon in both Canon and Legends at Holy Terra*
Try it, bitch. I *dare* you.
"Nice quote, I'll engrave it on your tombstone"
As if there arent any superweapons in Warhammer 40k. Heck, Star Wars fanboys are annoying
@@caedes4367 But Eck points out in this video that the Astra Militarum's logistics are atrocious.
@@andredanielleite7859 The Imperiums most powerful superweapon is the vortex torpedo capable of destroying a planet. The most powerful superweapon in Star Wars legends is centre point station which is capable of destroying star systems. The most powerful superweapon in Canon is that dumb planet thing from episode VII which is also capable of destroying star systems. Of course all of this is nothing in comparison to the forerunners who can wipe out all life in the galaxy and even they pale in comparison to the dowstreamers who are capable of creating and destroying universes on a whim.
In the grand scheme of things 40k is an upper-mid level sci-fi universe in terms of power levels.
Name of this video: ,,Which Sci-Fi Faction has the BEST ARMY?"
,,BEST ARMY"
Halo part of the video: * Humanity has both regular soldiers and GENETICALLY MODIFIED SUPER SOLDIERS - Spartans in its army
40k part of the video: ,,Adeptus Astartes will not be included"
Wut!?
Also not considering the scale of 40k is ridiculous. The fact that one planet can house an ungodly amount of people and then the fact that there are millions upon millions upon millions of planets makes it hard to standardise even laws and punishments. The solution to this is planetary government and a similar solution was used for the military since the adeptus astra militarum has problems counting all the people that get recruited or die due to the scale of the organisation. They split the adeptus astra militarum into armies and regiments with a certain degree of freedom to make the flexibility of the organisation as a whole higher and get the response time lower. But that all gets discounted as it is not standardised which is automatically bad at least according to this video.
This is all not to mention that the adeptus astra militarum never fight alone, most often having support from: adeptus astartes, adeptus mechanics, and the imperial navy which all dampen the blows that the astra militarum have to take the blunt of.
Spartans are a prt of the UNSC or ONI if you wanna be technical, space marine chapters are separate factions and while they fight alongside the guard they’re separate. HOWEVER the guard would destroy every other army on this list combined and it wouldn’t even be that much of an inconvenience
The Spartans are actually organized in the Military unlike the Astartes which are their own department.
They should include Astra Militarum Vehicles as well. Ecks said there's not air support in 40K. Really? Valkyrie heavy transport and Marauder Destroyer.
Any Guard Regiment has vehicles as well. Where's the Leman Russ tank? Where's the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEBLADEEEEEEEEEE!?
@@cheesydenton The Astra Militarum doesnt utilize air vehicles that's under the authority of the Imperial Navy.
Imperial Guard:
The planet broke before the guard did
Could say that about reach to
@@brianstabile165 Cadia literally broke apart.
HERESY! im calling my local inquisitor!
Go ahead oh wait the local inquisitor is too busy plotting back stabbings and such
@@Wongseifu548 you act like there's only one per planet
@Aron Lazarus yes
Atolocus35 no one expects the Spanish inquisition!
He said no calls of bias, so he's not the one committing heresy, is he?
Im wheezing harder than a necron receiving a cease and desist order😂
Well referenced.
I'm can't see a thing
Gaze upon this comment
Virgin: "Look at this"
Chad: "Gaze upon this"
@@Segregationist I cant even see.....
I think personality the SC2's army is WAYYY MORE Advanced than what you think. If you've played the game you know that all it takes is a single SCV to build an entire base and produce capital ships in less than 5 minutes. and this is accurate to lore also.
All it takes is a single STC and everything can be built in w40k
Plus…
They have world destroyer torpedo on almost every capital ship and multiple type of world ending ordinances
Terran have what? A nuke?
@@philipperivest7806 Yamato cannons and capitol ships that can destroy worlds
@@fren648
Where do you get that info that capital ships or yamato destroy worlds?
@@philipperivest7806 protoss carriers have plannet glassing beams that are said in lore to be equivalent to flag ship battle cruiser Yamato cannons
@@fren648 i think you got normal carriers and souped up motherships mixed.
Im pretty sure the Death Korps of Kreig alone could solo all 3 of the other armys at once 😭
I can picture it a clone freaking out as he’s rushed by a insane man with a shovel
Eh most side could handle it but I want to see death corps fight infested strukov it would be funny
He'll fight with his lasgun,
And if it failed, he'll stab with his bayonet,
And if it failed, he'll smash with his shovel,
And if it still failed, there's a bomb strapped in his chest.
@@ra_alf9467 and if he failed, fists and kicks
least "my thing >>> your thing" wh40k fan
Who the hell needs an army when you have The High Ground.
Unless the battle is in space well.... There is no High Ground if there is no ground
The High Ground LOL True. :)
How dare you doubt Master Kenobi!! Obi Won always has the high ground!!
I have the higher space
The death star solves that problem. Your enemy can't use the high ground if there's no ground ;)
The High Ground Why did you think Vader built a death star?
Astra milawhat now? You're in the Guard son!
Not "You are in the army now" song struck in my head, thanks a lot.
Glad to help.
THE WALL OF GUNS
@@xneo329 and yet they still can't hit their target
@@Wongseifu548 The Guard are actually pretty capable of hitting what they're shooting at (especially when compared to Orks and the like).
I would definitely love to see a more in-depth look at the Terran Dominion. The Marines may have been the bulk of the frontline, but they are supported by units such as the heavily armored Firebats and Marauders, the combat Medic, the highly mobile Reapers, and the Ghost Program that blends Clone Commandos with Jedi and adds nuclear warheads for good measure.
That's not even getting into the variety of vehicles employed by the Dominion, or even its starfighters and navy! Call me biased, since I'm only familiar with StarCraft and Star Wars, but I feel like the Dominion was done pretty dirty in this video. (Judging by this comment section it would seem like the Imperium was done pretty dirty too.)
Also what about Psi emitters for the Zerg?
@@wapandaforever242 Depends, the Zerg have pretty much evolved to resist psi emitters after 5 years, which is why the Terrans don't use it.
No, the Imperium was not done dirty. If there's one thing made abundantly clear in the setting, it's that the Imperium is beyond inefficient. They measure battles by how many bodies they're drowning the enemy in. They would lose if put on the same scale as any other factions because they are so inefficient.
@@starhammer5247 Not if you stick them with Guilliman and the Raptors as well as having Rogal Dorn leading Defensive Measures.
@@Darksky1001able With Primarchs leading, that's a different story, but the Primarchs are effectively one man in an army of trillions.
*laughs in High Impact Payload Thor*
Here comes the Horde of Guardsmen in the Comment section
@@testacc2471 he almost died to a bunch of hippies, I'll take some space Marines over him any day.
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
@@testacc2471 Stop your heresy or the emperor will shove that gauntlet so far up your ass that even the emperors light won't be able to reach it.
This is total heresy, Blood Ravens! Bolt them done and steal their properties!!
Sounds someone needs a visit from the Inquisition
An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded
No. That is a gullible mind.
A properly open mind is like a walled city, its gates open, with guards on the walls and in the towers, as well as manning the gatehouse. Those passing through are checked for contraband, but anyone who poses no threat to the proper functioning of the city may pass through.
Every person/idea is considered, given a fair chance, and then rejected or accepted based on their merit. Those who only make trouble (in terms of ideas, those would be the ones that are harmful or even just unsupported by evidence) are rejected or kicked out.
theuncalledfor I’m guessing you don’t get the reference.....
@@TheStonewall117
If I had gotten the reference, I probably would have simply prefaced my response with "ugh, I hate that quote" or something like that, without changing much about the content. Unless there's some context in the source that makes it okay somehow.
"Knowledge is power, hide it well..."
@@theuncalledfor Beware the mutant, the heretic.
9:20 this singular statement shows just how little he actually knows about the force he basically crippled. A regiment of guard is expensive to create and there is a base line for how good they should be. No guard regiment is just a mass of warm bodies to be thrown at the enemy. Not only that but why do people insist that an army trained in the exact same way under the exact same conditions makes it better at fighting on a galactic level? A unit of Valhallians would crush an equally sized unit of clones on an ice planet, Tallern on a desert planet, Kreig on any planet, Chadians are Clone troopers with extra training, Vostroyens would mince just about anything, and Chatchans would probably make Kashyk a home away from home hunting the Wookies and crushing anyone who intruded.
"No guard regiment is just a mass of warm bodies to be thrown at the enemy."
Most of them are. Commanders like Gaunt, who care for their men, are few and far between. Most Guard officers will gleefully throw their entire regiments into the meat grinder just to gain a few feet of ground if even that.
Have you read the lore or looked at the memes
I think the guard was treated pretty unfairly here, don’t forget the masterminds and amazing strategies of the guard, the lasgun (while laughable in the 40k universe) would put out some serious hurt to anything else since it literally blow of limbs and turn concrete into swiss cheese and there are billions of them firing in unison on the battlefield.
He said he is ignoring technological advancements
So...did you notice this inconvenient occurance that massively reshaped our world that happened to take place a bit more than a 100 years ago? Pretty much every single enemy the IOM faces had artillery. If the IOM would stick people in mass infantry formation on a battlefield regularly, the IOM would not exist anymore. The Imperial Guard still sucks as a fighting force and would get wiped of the earth by any competent miltiary without the convenience of plot armour but they have a bit more sound tactics than you let on.
@@chrismath149 the imperial guard have amazing artillery that destroys entire continents lmao
@@chadthundercock3440 Unless you are talking about orbital bombardment (which is Navy territory)...no.
The entire concept of a Titan would not work if that were the case. The argument already defeats itself. Unless nobody in 40k ever thought about simply destroying the ground a titan walked on.
@@chrismath149 Why are you so angry?
Wont talk about jedi or space marines, throws in spartans tho.
Yep
technically the jedi are not apart of the GAR, and the space marines are a different military core from the imperial guard. however Spartans are actually apart of the UNSC. also the moment you include space marines they win, even if all other 3 armies teamed up.
NachosLeTaco well he wanted a fair shake, so we need a handicap, otherwise it will just be a question of who has better organization SW or 40k as 30k would just be a massive fuckoff army of angry indestructible tincan men that like to lop stuffs in half with their weird chainswords in sheer disregard of their own safety.
@@TheMatthew001 The Spartans are part of the UNSC, and the Space Marines are part of the Imperium of Man....so yes, Space Marines should have been included if we're following your logic.
@@razzledazzle2666 UNSC is a military as a whole. UNSC ground forces do consist of Spartans. Having Space Marines in a part of IG is like Ice cream and Cheese is the same thing since it's made up of milk but you see Cheese and Ice cream is different. SM and IG are sepreate armed forces and Imperium has designed the forces this way
The Astra Militarum is divided the way it is because of the Horus Heresy, this is to prevent one commander from gaining to much power and rebelling with a unified force. Not saying I would agree with that idea but it does explain the decentralized power in 40K Imperial guard.
That may explain it, but that doesn't stop it from becoming a bit of a logistical terror.
Yah like just look at the Death Korps of Krieg and then look at the knights in that one house in dawn of war 3. Big fucking difference.
Edit: Fixed it.
who the fuck are the Death Korps of Craig
Reactiveisland5 I assume he mean the Death Korps of Krieg.
I suggest looking up the channel Tactica Imperialis if you want the answer in more detail. The basic jest is, they are from a world ravaged by nuclear winter and radiation who strive to always prove themselves loyal to the imperium...and they do it VERY well.
Imperial Guard: pfff you call that a war? We call that a Tuesday morning
Against 3million clone gl
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 the Battle of Cadia ended with a 98% Death Rate
there were 3 million survivors
“The UNSC heavily favors practicality in design, rather than flashiness.”
I have a brick with a tank gun attached that can run on anything from jet fuel to biofuel to introduce you to.
Everytime someone talks about how clones were specifically trained from birth, I can't help but remember the time one of them just... punched a super battle droid? Like? Imagine being trained everyday from the moment you're "born" just to punch metal and die
He lost his rifle and other weapons and had no hope to fight back. It was the only thing he could do.
keep in mind you cant remove the personality
rex is great in every way but some clones are aholes
so i makes some sense,
you cant just have a army of NEAR ODST and not give then some forms of weakness
"clones were trained since birth"
*Laughs in gasmask*
@@Pikee picks up a shovel making happy gas mask noises..
Spartan IIs were NOT abducted at birth. They all were about 6-8 years old when they were taken from their homes.
Edit: I am a halo nerd, I don't mean to seem like a jerk...
Yes, I mispoke thank you
No difference between obnoxious nerd and jerk.
EckhartsLadder Nothing biased right?
As far as military training goes, it may as well have been. The only thing closer is the "literally from birth" thing the clones have going on. But you are right and it's not jerk-ish to point it out
The grand army of the republic is trained from birth but led by people arguably not qualified. Obi Wan is no thrawn or captain keyes. So from a leadership standpoint the GAR is lacking
Maybe I missed it but I think a good point to bring up for the republic is that the DNA for the clones was being stretched in the later years of the war, resulting in more defective clones.
As long as a Korean is the Commander of the Terran army they are invincible
No kidding
Hello there baka
I like that the comments here humorously disagree but everyone is still being chill, well made argument for the GAR!
Then again, how will you organise your units when you're drowning in guardsmen blood. #cadiabrokebeforetheguarddid
Cadia also had more soldiers than every army from every other setting combined though, so that doesnt really prove much about how effective it is given equal resources.
@@lenkagamine4145 even if they have equal resources cadians believed in the emperor so much that demons manifesting as their worst nightmare couldn't beat them so their morale and mental strength is through the roof
You can organize it by simply using the specialised clones that were made for naval operations. They will teach a lesson to the chaos on how to operate in deep red water 😂
#GARispreparedforeverysituation
@@georgemiller8765 i really think not that they are prepared for chaos, they are used to fight against aliens and droids but not the horror of the warp but thats just my opinion
This is heresy of the highest order. But seriously, good video
It will be reported to the Officio Prefectus.
He also ignores the fact that there are loads of specaised units for guard in 40k they have all the specaists of the Grand army, snipers, AT, Attilery, Heavy weapons and Tank's. It's just feilded on a larger scale than any of the other armies. also just cuss a planet tends to produce lots of on class of trooper dosn't meen that thy only fight as one regament. just like in the real army, spechalist formations are split up at the tatical level so everyone can get the help they need. Yes 40k in a logistical nighmare, but only at the glalactict level, the empire is very well organised at the local and tatical level.
Morty Jhones he actually didn't. 7:04-7:36
Beasty108 But he doesn't include that strength in his final comparison - and then goes on to praise the GAR for it, with it being his main reason for picking them, despite ignoring that the Guard do exactly the same.
Beasty108 As for the Navy point, how come he bans the Imperium using their naval assets (such as Valkyries) but lets the UNSC get away with their Naval forces, including Spartans and ODSTs? Bias.
One major drawvack of the clones is that they had accelerated lifespans. That means long term wars you lose even more vets than just from battle.
The Imperial Guard often fought in the millions yes, but it does not matter if you charge your 4 million Guardsmen into a fray consisting of 40 million orks(for example)
that is why the Astra Militarum are one of the most tactical factions/sub-factions in the chaotic world of 40k, great video btw👍
everyone else: technically not the same army but ill count it
warhammer: nope only imperial guards no one else
because they're main force. + he completely failed at 40k lore
That I will agree with. However the UNSC Army isn't the main force of the UNSC its primarily a defense force occasionally deployed for planetary assault opperations when the UNSC needs the big guns on the ground. The UNSC Marines are an expeditionary force with their own air wing separate from the Navy . And the Imperial Guard actually has some decent ground units however their organizational and logistics command is complete crap but there is a lore reason for this. The Horse Hersey as we all know. The faction he chose really doesn't have that many specialized forces compared to the Imperial Guard considering the Guard has entire armies that specialize in a specific type of warfare. The UNSC has a few specialized units such as ODST's , Airborne units, Rangers, etc. The UNSC is based off the US military future soldier concept .
@Gerben van Straaten Ironically most battles of the Human Covenant war didn't involve Spartans . And UNSC Marines, Army , Airforce , Navy and even the planets local militia managed to repeal the Covenant at great cost of life . But the most well known battles included Spartans which where generally the most important planets . It was sheer luck that there were Spartan IIs at Reach as they had been called back to plan out an attack and VIP capture of a prophet. This obviously didn't happen but that was the plan.
So even if we excluded the Spartans the UNSC's military capabilities and organizational skills is far superior to most Imperial Guard units.
Even looking at standard artillery Imperial Guards Earthshaker cannon being a 132mm is dwarfed by the UNSC 's standard 440mm cannons , 320mm plasma cannons , etc. So on the ground ironically the UNSC has some impressive firepower in a battle against standard Imperial Guard units or Clone Troopers.
Not to mention the UNSC's infantry are augmented to an extent and out number the Clone Troopers whom only number only 691,200,000 . Where as the UNSC military employs billions of Soldiers , Sailors, Marines and Airforce personnel .
So to say the GAR is a better designed force when they only have 691,200,000 trooper personnel is kind of a overstatement especially considering their biggest war was the Clone Wars in which they fought Droids made by a corporation that attempted to rebel against the Republic. And that war only lasted 3 years.
Compare that to the Human -Covenant war which lasted around 30 years or any of the wars the Imperial Guard are currently fighting which have lasted hundreds to thousands of years .
The GAR doesn't have the combat experience to compete and has never had to deal with a multi front war against superior opponents with superior numbers in most cases.
So its like apples to oranges to even compare the GAR to either the UNSC or the Imperial Guard. Heck even the StarCraft Marines have more combat experience than your average Clone Trooper. They have at least fought multiple wars starting from 2485 - 2505 so 20 years as opposed to the three years the Clone Troopers of the GAR fought inferior Droid armies.
@Gerben van Straaten Bro, the Lasgun Cuddlers of Bumfuck are my favorite Imperium regiment how dare you! Hahaha!
Where on earth did you read that the earthshaker cannon is 132mm? That's pretty funny since the 40k wiki doesn't have a caliber designation, it hasn't ever been mentioned. Ever. It is assumed to at the least be a 155, but seeing that theres been accounts of commissars tieing troops to the barrel of an earthshaker and there only being arms and legs left. That's a lot larger than a 155. Check your fact then come back child.
You didnt mention the support vehicles of the imperial guard, not complaining just pointing that out.
"support" Titans
He states early on this is from an organisational point of view.
The Imperial Guard is designed completely stupidly with few combined arms regiments.
@shadowyeager I understand the in-lore reasons.
Out of lore it's incredibly stupid.
Why is everyone forgetting the fuck ton of Tanks the Imperial Guards have?
There was that driving nova cannon on armageddon right
i will say that Eck doesn't quite do his research on Starcraft, at least not as in depth. It's not lacking, though not exactly as in-depth as 40k, and furthermore I can ensure that the Marines are a pretty cohesive force. They do recieve training, at least in part because they have to not be crushed by their power armor, the marine corps is supplemented in the same force by Marauders and Firebats, their sort, and furthermore the Marines have some pretty interesting stuff up their sleeves. Those armors have them easily topping 60mph, and furthermore is powered by a flat out small nuclear reactor so no problems with fuel. They have been shown as coordinated, tactical, specialized in their use of ammo, and robust as a fighting force given what they have to fight and just how well they do it. These dudes compete with highly technologically advanced psychic warriors, and the republic (which has better tech) doesn't quite have to do THAT. The protoss are a goddamn formidable force, not even to mention the idea that the Zerg are possibly the one race in all of (not 40k) sci-fi that would easily compete with the Flood (based on a couple technicalities and the simple way that the Zerg work as an infection and a hive).
in addition, I've gotta say that Eck made a serious overlook when he said that the imperial guard don't have a ton of variety on the front lines. Literally their strategy on tabletop is not just to throw endless bodies at the enemy, but to make sure that the majority of those endless bodies are armed differently with a wide arsenal of plasma guns, the standard lasrifles, meltaguns, heavy emplacement weaponry, anti-vehicle stuff, and all sorts of things like it
Have to agree with this. Having a reasonable background and understanding of the SC universe, I'd have to say that the Dominion army is sufficiently organised to be able to face off against two very different but highly capable alien faces, as well as a variety of other terran factions simultaneously, either in cold war or full scaled open warfare across an entire sector. While some of the tactics employed in universe leave something to be desired (yes Mengsk, I'm looking at you), they are a highly effective and coordinated unit. Granted, they'd lose against W40K space marines or Spartans-II in single combat, but they have better armour and weaponry than the standard Imperial Guardsman, clone troopers or UNSC marines, even without including Maruaders, Firebats and Ghosts. As far as training goes, this is actually fairly standardised, though in primarily two parts. The regular recruits are trained pretty hard and effectively, though not to the same level as the clones, I'll admit. As far as the criminal 'recruits' go, the neural resocalisation process is standard for all of them, and it's the same process to not only 'rehabiliate' them, but also to get them to be an effective unit. I'm not sure how much more standardised you can get.
With vehicles included, they have a more mobile and versatile force than the GAR, simply because of their reliance on walkers for the majority of their vehicles. The AT-RTs would be easy targets for vultures or hellions, or even well aimed infantry fire, and anything larger is simply too slow generally to evade attacks from the more flexible and mobile forces that the Dominion brings to the table. Banshees and Vikings would chew up the less mobile units and siege tanks and thors are more than capable of moping up the rest. The juggernaut would be more of a challenge but it's about the only GAR vehicle that would put up a reasonable fight. The vehicles of the IG would be an issue, especially the Baneblade, but a Leman Russ is outclassed by a Crucio especially at range and the Thor is essentially a scaled down Titan mech. With far less resources than either the IG or the GAR has available to them, the Dominion army has to rely on flexibility and organisation to counter enemy assaults, rather than simply throw numbers down the enemy's gun barrels. Sure, they're cannon fodder by a lot of standards, but they have to be, and indeed are, effective cannon fodder and, especially in terms of defence, they are one of the better armies created.
SC has the best chance against WH in this match up because simply they are closest to their level of ludacris stuff. IG dosnt work like he thinks they are alot better than he thinks
you failed to mention the imperial guards tank army. the troops are often supported my many large heavily armed tanks that can defeat whole armies by themselves. the bane blade would make a halo scorpion tank look like a toy
Blud this isnt about power,
If we talk about tanks you also need to realise that the other armies also have crazy good tanks, especially The Terran Dominion having the most versatile roster imo
I think you should have given a bit more attention to the Guards tanks, artillery and support vehicles. They are quite powerful and variable in that they can equip one chassis with different cannons.
I love the idea of you comparing different chapters of Space Marines!
Oneiros he said he was going from a consistent logistical and organizational level and the guard is gimped on purpose in those areas to prevent rebellion. That being said I would love to see these factions deal the shear attrition/fanaticism/artillery a death Korps of Krueger regiment would bring, or the badassness of catachan, or if he simply allowed the mechanicum and knightly houses to be included not to mention super heavy tanks
Well he did include vehicles for the other armies to compare versatility and specialization I feel like that would have given the Guard some more points^^
Don't think he would. He's got too much of a hard-on for Spartans to realize how weak and puny they are.
It wasnt about how powerful a faction is. It was about how well organized the armies are, how they are structured and used. Also reply to the first comment itself is that if you have a tank with a chassis and can change between different turrets or cannons, that is even worse from a logistical viewpoint. Not even looking at training of how it would be implemented to make someone be able to to use like 3 different turrets AND guns
You may be right but especially for the clones a huge part of the positive things he mentioned was their versatility as well as specialization.
To suggest that another faction could even match the armies of the Emperor is heresy!!
Carl John NO SPARTAN || WOULD WIPE THE FLOOR WITH THE WEAK EXCUSE FOR A ARMIE THAT WE CALL AN EMPIRE
Mateo Cano Vasquez You don't know warhammer then.
Mateo Cano Vasquez lol a baneblad demolished cannon would make quick work of any UNSC army without doubt
Really? Have you read any Warhammer lore? I know it’s your opinion but do you truly know the colossal blob of religion and death that is the Imperium?
I'm a diehard Halo fan and even i agree, none of these armies stand any chance what so ever against the Imperium. Even a single Space Marine can easily take on a squad of Spartans. Now, change that to over 100,000 Space Marines, billions of planets under their control, untold trillions of Imperium members; any army is fucked. Plus they can destroy a planet with a single bomb if need be.
I find the common motif between the 3x factions interesting.
The one that was overtly labelled as EvilEmpire was the odd one out.
Doesn’t put Warhammer 40k in first place for every video
Comment section: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
The strongest army in existance is the catachan jungle fighters just because they have -The man, the myth, the imperial hero and greatest warrior of the 41st millenium-SLY MARBO *AAAAAAASGGGGHHH sounds out in the distance*
DOOMRIDER but Commissar Yarick
DOOMRIDER Who needs Catachans sly is the only army you need
Vlad The Inserter forget Yarrik, we got Cain.
Some say Cypher ran from Marbo so hard he started running backwards through time
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
"I think training again is a little bit laxed" Yeah 18 seconds for a marine and 64 seconds for a capital ship does sound rushed.
Every 18 seconds, some marine, somewhere, say "Hell, it's about time"
One thing I think holds the Halo Universe back is that it feels as if there are never enough soldiers for any given battle. In the games at least, Master cheif does everything with extremely limited external support.
Clones: We're trained from birth!
Cadians: Wait, isn't that the norm?
I saw some say that about halo Spartans I was like your not special
Starcraft lore: marines are literally cannon fodder but still highly effective: they shoot what is essentially a mounted turret. They are supplemented with various infantry. Marauders have built in missile launchers for vs armored, hellbats and the firebats who possess flamethrowers for anti-infantry. There is also the reaper who literally straps on a jet pack to quickly move around the battlefield, ghosts who specialist in infiltration. They also possess a mountain of ground vehicles. The siege tank functions as a mobile artillery cannon, hellions combines speed with flamethrower to mow down infantry, vultures that shoot small bombs and plant mines. All in all, the starcraft faction is the most well equipped, well performing and effective force. Moreover, there is no division between aerial and ground armies, they work in tandem to fight the enemy. The only downside to the SC army is actually using the units you have effectively. This flaw is fixed by putting a Korean as the commander. Outmicros everyone.
Ah, we always knew that the only thing that the Sc2 armies were missing was ByuN's micro.
40k got a rocked propelled explosives rounds full auto gun otherwise known as a bloter(Most guardsmen don’t use it yes but like all the commissar’s do)
40K had Orks, as in disgustingly powering psychics that can bend reality just by believing in their own thing. Their spaceships have windows, they think painting something makes it explode better or painting red means more stronger, they're war machine's are literal garbage that has no actual mechanisms they just believe this row boat will fly and it.will.fly! They're just too stupid to realize just how powerful their psionic powers are, so much so when a corps of marines ran out of ammo, they started making shooting noises from their mouth and the Orks literally DIED thinking they were shot. Also they're so powerful, if a single Ork manages to unite several clans they can extinguish universes in less than a week
@@alimatloob2850 ni hablemos de los enemigos de cada faccion, comonlos zerg esas cosas destruyen
I think the UNSC is better equipped. Terran Dominion has more variety of weapons, but some of them (hellions) have an extremely narrow focus and will be harder to manage and easier to eliminate against an army with more adaptable units. The one thing missing from the Halo arsenal are reliable ground-based personally carriers, and the siege tank definitely beats the scorpion, but the way the UNSC does warfare I think is significantly more organized, tactically superior, and effective than the kind of ramshackle nature of dominion operations.
Mr clicking on the video: pfft easy, warhammer wins, even a single forge world would wipe out all the others combined
Eckhart : were looking at which is best organisationally and logically
Me: well the imperial guard are screwed...
@Art Lailey
Not really.
1. IG's regiments are specialized becouse of the planets they are raised from. It is logical to train your troops where it is cheapest. And you don't send fucking catachans to fight where the valhallans will shine (jungle with thousands of threats that would eviscerate you so fast that you would not even notice/frozen desert).
2. Standard practice is to mix and match regiments for a campaign. Imagine you are trying to lay siege to vraks (as it happened). Who will you send? Deffinately kriegans, i would add a lot of artillery units just to make shells rain on enemy fortifications non-stop, some drop troops in case we would be able to take down AA guns, armored regiments, normal infantry and more if I would feel like it is needed.
3. In place where chaos corruption is so potent this specialisation is logicall. If you have to gun down some traitors you send hard counter or a combined arms detachment that is less numerous. Rest in Pieces heretics.
4. Eck said LAND FORCES, no air support, no orbital bombardment and no word about transport so... i think he should remake the video becouse everyone except IG got those + IG didn't get their tanks and artillery even though no respectable IG commander goes anywhere without his vehicles and no specops. Only thing that was left is line infantry so they have no real chances of winning. If he want to focus on those logistics so much, why won't he tell that guard comes equipped with gear for literally yers of intense war? Why won't he tell that said gear is modular and as easy to use a Soviet gear? Why won't he tell that guard can recharge their ammo by leaving their batteries on the sunlight or throwing them into fire when there is no place to recharge them quickly and safely? Why won't he tell that IG regiments are, in warzone, equipped with locally manufactured gear? Does he even know that IG space ships are capable of manufacturing the gear or parts in some degree?
The Imperial Guard is tailored for gallactic warfare in the grimdark universe (that's why they call their limb-blowing laser guns flashlights) and every part of its organization is suited to maximize its efectivness while rending them virtually useless when they turn into traitors.
Just because there is some order doesn't mean that they have a chance, the imperium is famous for its bloated useless leg of an administratory service, out of all of the armies on here, all of which are designed to be the iconic soldier of their universe, the imperial guard are the organised.
The imperial guard are also by all intents and purposes a awful army ,on the battlefield if you take their casualty rate and their battlefield strategy, theres a reason that the meme about the imperial guard in the warhammer community is "we have more tanks than you have men and more men than you have bullets." their entire strategy is to win by absolute attrition as oppose to winning from a actual strategy of positioning and superior combat.
While I say that they were going to lose, they certainly were under-represented in the video, not only by the lack of their armour, but also by their training, it is still canon that they are selected from the veterans of a whole planetary defence force that have already proved themselves and then are given extra training and expertise before they are sent to the battlefield.
@Art Lailey
1. Imagine our beaurocracy grown enough to govern milion of worlds in a world where only FTL possible is Warp. There is no other way to govern that many worlds. Not if humanity will be what it is, and considering that we never learn anything it won't change.
2. And how many casaulties would modern military with IG's level gear have if they would fight Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, Eldars, Chaos and Tau on a galactic scale?? IG is good, just as i said earlier everything is "killier".
3. Well, if i were you i would check "Hellsreach". It is not very specific about how IG does stuff becouse it is centered around Grimaldus (Black Templars Chapelain), but armaggedon steel legion is not bunch of idiots on both strategic and tactical level. I would say that "Rynn World" shows some tactics and strategical thinking too, if i remember right.
1. exactly, the size and scale of the imperium is ridiculous and the nature of the universe is to be overblown and fantastical, and in most lists this means the IG have it easily in the bag, however in this list when Eck said that he was looking at the armies organisationally and logically, this factor only works against them. The Imperial guard have an impossible task and they don't succeed, however in the format of this list, the size of the task isnt taken into account, merely how well the IG succeeds with its task.
2. The modern military wasn't on this list, the IG are far superior in many ways to the modern military, but please consider that it was put up against the UNSC and the clone army, and while everything is "killier" part of the disclaimer by Eck that I originally quoted was to make it an even playing field, the list isnt meant to look at the amount of bodies that the armies have to fight, if anything I think this was designed as a specific list to look at the worst of the 40k universe so that they stop coming first.
3. Im not saying that the imperial guard has no strategy, just the way it has to win wars due to the scale and duration, much like the first point, the imperial guard has an impossibly huge task and I'm sure each sector has a war far in excess of the entire star wars saga each century, however compared to the other armies on this list their setting means that they cannot be singled out simply because the amount of fluff that GW would need to write would be in a huge excess, and while I take your word on the black library books as I haven't the time nor money to read them, individual examples of acceptable levels of tactical applications does not bring the entire IG up to a level with the elites of the UNSC and Starcraft.
1. Why do you think thet it works againtst IG?
The topic of a video was not who does their task best, but who is better in terms of tactics, strategy and logistics.
2. UNSC is just like USMC, that is why i said what i said.
Yes, it was specifically tailored for IG to loose becouse he mentioned none of the IG's good stuff. Everything from tactics and strategy up to his beloved logistic. Additionally he excluded a lot of what makes guard a guard: tanks, artillery, APC and more and gave other military organizations things that are not ground troops or are other branch while simultainously making guards go in russian style waves without any of it.
3. The topic was which army is better. To analyse that increase the power level of weaker factions in terms of firepower, numbers and armor and analyse how each faction would approach problems. For egsample lets take the siege of Vraks from 40k. How would other factions try to deal with it if they had numbers, armor and firepower?
The single difference between general Sci Fi fan to Warhammer 40k fan is that the W40k fan DOES NOT want to be in W40k universe
in my opinion the terran dominion or UED would easily overpower the UNSC, you basically ranked them 3rd because the marines were rough grunts without a consistent training but most of them were brainwashed ex-convicts meaning they followed orders without question furthermore their armor and machines are more flexible and far powerful than the UNSC, the terran marine is just the first line of defence but the next tier of units grows exponentially deadlier each tier, just think that each protoss zealot can kill a halo spartan single handedly so fighting the regular UNSC marines would be a walk in the park, to be fair the covenant to me is very stupid and their tactics are incredibly underpowered on the ground maybe they just have a chance shooting things from their capital ships.
On the other hand the terrans in the lore were not match for the protoss technology or the endless numbers of the zerg but managed to barely survive by having combobulate plot twists, they did not relay on some heroic lucky one man army dude that somehow survived impossible odds because you know plot armor...
And to be honest Im not even sure the UNSC is a match for the WH40K marines just by sheer numbers...
Como todos los humanos, nos adaptamos alas dificultades que halla,
Los protoss pueden purificar una planeta entero
Bum, nosotros construimos una plataforma orbital gigante, los zerg con sus adaptabilidades, bum mejoramos y pulimos nuestra tegnologia, es solo cuestion de adaptarse alos problemas
I have read about how the Wahammer Halo and Starcraft armies are organized. the UNSC is quite meticulous on a strategic level, the terrans are quite capable of reaching this level but corruption often ruins things and in warhammer it is possible that your request for help will come decades later and probably propose an ineffective measure
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I would like to weigh in, myself, on the ongoing discussion for and against the Imperium vs the Grand Army of the Republic. It should be noted that bias is not the case here as I while I do enjoy Star Wars a lot and possess a great deal of background knowledge about the Clone Wars / GCW era, Warhammer 40k is my true passion (as you can tell by my icon I'm sure).
First, I will re-iterate on EckhartsLadder's point regarding the organisation of the Imperial Guard. It is an exceptionally weighty and cumbersome army which, as described in each of the Codices and numerous other supplements, can take up to months or even years to deploy. This is largely a product of the Imperium's beaurocracy and the way in which requests for help or deployment orders are handled - often on paper by scribes who are trained in proper beaurocratic procedure and record-keeping, rather than to respond to emergencies. Distress calls and marching orders are placed in a queue, often with other such mundane things as orders for farming equipment, shipping manifests and governmental policy. Once a request is received, and acted upon (a process which in itself is relatively swift by comparison), Regiments are then raised from nearby worlds to respond to the threat - which means training the troops, equipping them and then dispatching Naval assets to transport them.
Additional factors such as the allocation of vehicular assets, logistics and specialist training requires an extended timeframe. Furthermore, the Imperial Navy is specifically designed to be separate TO the Imperial Guard, and it is often the case that the nearest fleets are either engaged, unavailable or on poor relations with certain planetary governments. Or the fleet that IS available would have to be redirected to a Forge World to be outfitted for transport duties. One final thing to note is that the Imperial Guard - due to the risk of rebellion - is in and of itself, not a cohesive organisation capable of intercommunication. A request from an individual company is dispatched to their Departmento Munitorum's Regimental Command, who in turn process the request and pass it to Battlegroup Command, and then on to Sub-Sector Command, and so on so forth... Depending on the details of the request. Engagements within the Imperium are extremely self-contained, and zones of conflict are only expanded if and when the current forces committed encounter serious resistance on a macro-scale.
By contrast, the Grand Army of the Republic is, while a multi-tiered organisation as well, perfectly capable of communicating with itself on all levels, and across multiple theatres of war. These channels of communication are strictly military-only, and requests can be partitioned according to their priority and the rank of the person issuing that request. This means that, in the field, a Clone Commander can input their personal code into a message or address the matter personally, bypassing several tiers of processing immediately. The means of communication is also another factor. Astropathic Choirs are not required, and instead communications can be broadwaved at faster-than-light speeds as demonstrated in the movies and cartoon series, resulting in holographic audiences with the Jedi Council, Senate or High Command in real-time.
We have seen in these scenes, that once a request is received and decided upon, the transition of reinforcements on stand by in a nearby system can take only a matter of hours, days at the most. This is a combination of several factors - forces of the Grand Army that are not engaged in war are typically prepared FOR mobilisation long in advance, with units already comprising troops that have been trained for their respective duties since birth and outfitted with all the vehicles and equipment necessary to perform the role. The Republic Fleet, while a separate entity, falls under the same organisational structure as the Army, and acts in concert with these soldiers in their respective theatres of engagement... Thus unless nearby fleets are already committed to action or undergoing repairs, organising the transport of reinforcements is a trivial thing - and very swift, thanks to the reliability of Hyperspace Travel when compared with the Warp. This is demonstrated on numerous occasions with the Republic's response to the Liberation of Mon Cala (retrieving the Gungans within a single day to throw into the battle) and the Battle for Geonosis.
Comparing the Industrial punching power of the Imperium versus the Republic thus far has been... Inaccurate, in my humble opinion. Yes, the Imperium is capable of mass-producing thousands of fighting vehicles daily, yet it should be noted that the quality of these machines is sub-par next to the highly specialised roles that Republic war machines serve.... And the experience of their crews. In terms of production scale on INDIVIDUAL planets, however, I believe that the Republic actually falls in line with the Imperium - indeed it is mentioned many times in lore that entire worlds are given over, in the same way, to the massive power plants and factory complexes. Take Corellia, for example, whose shipyards extend not only from the surface of the planet but also to orbital complexes. Kuat is another example - which in fact is an entire system, rather than a single world, that is heavily industrialized.
Furthermore, the allocation of these thousands of fighting vehicles is a logistical nightmare for the Imperium (made less so by the vigilance of the Departmento Munitorum, however it is an incredibly lengthy process). Interaction is required with the Adeptus Mechanicus, an exceptionally archaic organization with lengthy maintenance procedures of their own, in order to prepare these vehicles, ship them, and maintain them in-theatre. Refitting vehicles for other roles requires special approval, also, which is often actually not granted... For the servants of the Omnissiah guard their secrets very jealously. By contrast, industry in the Republic is entirely Corporate, with each Corporation governing itself independently and being concerned solely with the business of supply and demand. Special design requirements can be acted upon almost immediately, requiring no committee process barring consultation with Chief Engineers and Designers. Deployment is handled similarly swiftly, and once vehicles are dispatched to a warzone, local Clone Troopers with specialist training are fully capable of maintaining or even jury-rigging these vehicles for other roles.
My last point about the Grand Army of the Republic pertains to their actual fighting ability by comparison to the Imperial Guard, which was eluded to in the video. While possessing far fewer troops, ships and fighting vehicles than the latter, the GAR is more than capable of making up for this by the ways in which they use what they have. It should be quite a fair statement to say - when taking into account the small-arms, training and armour of the Clone Troopers, as well as the consistency of their Officers' competence (which, in the Codices, is reported to be a constant issue for the 'Guard) - one Battallion of Clones would probably be able to hold off several Imperial Regiments, even if those Regiments acted as a combined-arms battlegroup with Artillery, Tank, Aeronautical and Infantry support. Given that the GAR's focus is, additionally, on Mobile Warfare and rapid tactical deployments, they would also be perfectly capable of grinding through imperial Garrisons in a far shorter space of time than an Imperial invasion force would be able to handle even their own Rebels' planets - such engagements for the Imperium are reported to take several years at times.
On the topic of planetary defences, also, it's important to note that the Republic possesses its own PDFs, much like the Imperium. Most republic worlds - peaceful or not - maintain their own standing security forces of trained personnel. Many times in the Star Wars universe is the capability of individual worlds to defend themselves against an invader demonstrated; Endor, Ryloth, Jedha, Maridun, even the peaceful world of Naboo. Remember - the PDFs do not have to defeat the invaders handily, they only have to delay them long enough for reinforcements to arrive - which is a far shorter time to wait in the case of the Clone Army's fluidity in redeployment.
For fairness, I believe the part where the Republic would fall short, is in Naval Engagements. Their typical ships of the line are far smaller than those the Imperium can bring to bear at short notice, with even the humble Firestorm Frigate or Cobra Destroyer having similar defences and power output to the mighty Venator-Class Destroyer. While Imperial naval battle-methods are exceedingly archaic and require broadside actions to maximize their effectiveness - with the Republic's vessels capable of presenting maximum firepower to their fronts which reduces their profile when receiving returning fire - in a straight-up punching match the Republic stands no chance whatsoever. The sizes of their battle-squadron deployments are also far smaller, with 3 Venators and a handful of Acclamators being committed to a serious engagement, while Imperial Line Fleets will deploy 1 Battleship, a brace of Battlecruisers, 3-5 Cruisers and an escort of roughtly 12 Frigates or Light Cruisers. Imperial ships also possess much faster engines, at a sublight level, and would have no issues out-manouvering the Republic Fleet.
BUT! That was not the goal of the video, and a different kettle of fish altogether.
I've blathered on for long enough, though, apologies for the essay but I felt these points needed to be said for the benefit of my fellow die-hard Warhammer fans!
I wish I can write about stuff I love like this. If my classes today were about these kind of things I would have passed long ago
who read that? haha
Jeez, it's all fiction, we all know your edgy warhammer 40k demons and stuff would obliterate anything it would encounter. No need to write book about it
@@zurrskirata1321 Jeez relax all this is just for fun, most people here are making jokes while still stating their oppinion
@@zurrskirata1321 chill out zurr
Not using the Space Marians is like not using the Spartans.
And only using the weakling slingers
i mean the imperial guard don't have access to the space marines, they are a separate military core. meanwhile the Spartans are actually apart of the UNSC, either way the tactics and logistics of the UNSC is far superior than the imperial guards "throw men at them until they don't have any more bullets"
TheMatthew001 Marines that shot at Imperial Guardsmen would have their bullets fly off of them. Imperial Guardsmen have their own type of flak armor, which protects them short of a Bolter. Also, you said that Spartans are apart of the UNSC, just like how Astartes are apart of the Imperium. IG can sometimes request support of Astartes if the threat is high, just like how Spartans are requested when the threat is high.
@@foxfoxdillar Astartes are a part of the Imperium, not the Imperial Guard. Big difference there.
@@maxxyang3723 "Also, you said that Spartans are apart of the UNSC, just like how Astartes are apart of the Imperium." Yes, I said that.
Every faction : fight in specific style in specific situation with specific weapon
Imperial guardsman : LAUGHING IN BAYONET
*MUBBLING IN GAS MASK
Unsc sees a bunch of idiots with gas masks and bayonets coming...
UNSC : Calls in Airstrike.
Halo: Ok we include the Navy and Special Forces like the Spartans, to make it fair...
W40k: I don't include Space Marines... or Spaceships, Psykers, Inquisition Forces, Sororitas, Custodes, Adeptus Mechanicus, Assassins... Oh and I also claim that they don't have Air Support and ignore the Fact that they are focused on Massproduction (a Single Planet can provide around 0.5 to 20 *billion* fresh recruits every years! For comparison the clon army from star wars had only 3.2 billion recruits... the complete army.)
You forget Collegia titanicus, Legio Cybernatica, Sister of silence, Militarum tempestus and of course, the Imperium Galactic police but actually have military operational large size named Adeptus Arbites
Where's the food compared content I subbed for???
JohnMichael Banuelos gotta get on down to Bubba's gasngrub for some muta wings
Okay, since Starcraft is probably the least known out of these franchises and aren't exactly big on expanding the lore (as it is mostly a competitive PvP game), allow me to clarify and add to some of your information:
Again, this is about army functionality and organizations within their own universe, not a contest of measuring the peepees. With that said, the Terran army is build to be mobile and flexible (too bad a lot of people chose the turtle route):
1. The *biggest* advantage that the Terran have over other armies (imo) is their *mobile buildings.* Yes, Terran buildings can literally lift off the ground and fly, even dropping/escaping from *orbit.* This give them a massive advantage in rapid troop deployments and reinforcements, and should they are about to be overrun, they can evacuate the entire base with relative ease. Not to mention that most of the combat equipments and vehicles can be constructed directly on the battlefield. (Instead of transporting tanks to a war zone across worlds, they literally fly the entire factory in and build them there).
2. The Marine is *not* the backbone of the Terran army. The SCV is. While being a "lowly worker" and not a true combatant, the SCV is the single most versatile unit of them all. It collect resources, construct additional structures and repair any damage structures and vehicles suffered. If needs be, they will be at the front line to provide support and fortification as well. (The techpriests of 40k would cream themselves at the sight of such a machine).
3. Unit roles: Yes, the Marines aren't exactly the cream of the crop when it come to futuristic soldiers, but it isn't *just* the Marine in the field. They are general infantry served to bolster the rank of more specialized units. And pretty much *all* the rest of the army is specialized in something. Marauders are for armored targets; Firebats are for light targets; Siege Tanks are for...well, siege; Vikings are air-superiority fighters; so on and so forth. Basically, while the Marines are indeed most numerous, the Terran army as a whole have counters for all enemy types (and if not, they can built some on the spot). Quoting some professional SC players, "The Marines counter everything" despite being average in most roles.
3. Many of the units description can be difficult to find, and harder to believe since they are nerfed for game balancing. For example, a Viking's pilot is supposed to be the best of the best, with many perishing before even completed their training. Or Ghosts being "gifted children" inducted into being assassins through brainwashing (though not anymore with the current regime)...they have psychic power, cloaking, and optical implantation to snipe better and further, and of course, the tactical nukes. If an army cannot break the enemy, a single Ghost/Spectre can.
And that is some of the stuff Terran do.
@@AndrutV13 what he is referring to is that VCE are a piece of machinery that should not be underestimated despite lacking capabilities for the direct combat in the frontline the strategic support that they are able to provide to the units in the front is an advantage that the Terran possess in general, to begin these piloted mechanical units are able to repair an assault walker while being hit by a hail of bullets, thanks to this the Terran vehicles do not need to return to the base to receive repairs, maintenance or replenishment a VCE is able to keep a Siege or even Viking Tank in perfect condition in the heat of combat while all other sci-fi factions lack this capability so when a tin-plated assault walker or tank is damaged by enemy these immediately have to return to the base to be repaired which consumes resources and time giving the enemy an opportunity to On a counter-offensive, the Terrans do not have that disadvantage while the vehicle still has even a fraction of its structural integrity can be repaired completely directly on the battle line, which in turn increases the life expectancy of the Infantry and its effectiveness in combat, in addition these simple workers are the pillar of all Terran operations base, since if necessary the VCE can literally build an entire base using only the resources available on the battlefield, while all others have to transport the materials of resources and equipment required only to mount Advanced positions this gives the Terran an advantage in terms of versatility, and if I can say that is the reason why in terms of factions of science fiction either in movies or video games the Terrans are my favorites, because they have the advantage of versatility, being versatile does not seem too much But the reality is that if you have to choose between firepower and versatility it is preferable to choose versatility after all you should never underestimate the ability to adapt to each situation, and also agree that you should have emphasized more in the other units of Terran Infantry as the Marauders, the Reapers, the Ghosts, the Fire Bats, and the Medical ones (a very curious fact is that according to the Lore of Starcraft, the Medics already existed before the arrival of the UDE to the Koprulu sector, only that the technology that was used in the Medical was not as efficient as that available to the medical staff of the United Earth Directorate and its use on the battlefield was less frequent due to this detail and it was not until the arrival of this faction that began to generalize more)
@Tychus Findlay yes, channel your inner Mengsk
@Tychus Findlay LUL u think loyal guardsmen would run away because some filthy xenoxscum arrives?
I would like to add a few more things to this good explanation. If we are to use the entirety of Terran faction's arsenal, then next to the SCV the Terrans also have the Raven or an odd old Science Vessel that can greatly disrupt or bolster a Terran front line with use of autonomous turret, scrambling weapons, EMP missiles or 'poisoning' (irradiate)
Furthermore SC Marines wear power armor that will ALWAYS have the clones beaten by a countrymile and then I'm not even talking about the even much more heavily armored Marauder, FIREBATs, Reapers... and indeed Ghosts and Spectres, from which the most powerful have mind control capabilities.
I also think the power and effectivenes of a Crucio Siege Tank in its siege mode is GREATLY underestimated. Also, I understand that Dominion is chosen here as its the most notably featurd one, but the UED, KMC or Umojan groundforces were better than the dominion forces and the UED was a more potent faction in its own right.
Sticking with the Dominion for a bit, technically the Dominion is the reformed Confederacy and as such ground forces could easily be even further bolstered with combat medics, Diamondbacks, Vultures and their spidermines.
This video lacks a severe component of how Terran military doctrine is perceived and in particular their ability to create a very entrenched and fortified defensive position.
"So which faction would in in a match?"
The answer is always doomslayer
Rip and Tear until it is done
Shhh don't let gw hear you, there is no limit to how hard they poster boy shill the ultra marines, if they read this I give it a week before there is a new black library book about carto sicarius killing 100's of copyrightable name changed doomsayers 🙄
Most badass scene in Star Wars has gotta be the clone trooper jumping on a spider droid n toasting it then after toasting another
Lack of standardization in the Imperial Guard means that each wold raises a specialist regiment that is great at specific tasks.
Horrifying Nightmare Jungle world where literally everything tries to kill you?: Send a Catachan regiment
Hoth-like cold conditions?: Send Valhallans
Need rapid aerial redeployment?: Send Elysian Drop shock troops.
Need a team of elite troops?: Send in Tempestus Scions - the branch of the Guard who is raised from childhood to be unfaltering, skilled and loyal storm troopers.
Add to that you will not see the Guard break. Not while the Commissariat is present.
Fair that your ranking system is based on what you would want for an army, but as numerous as the clones are, they are finite in number and produced and trained in one place. The Imperium nets billions of new recruits with each wave of recruitment.
The problem with the Republic is their lack of willingness to fight. If they have over a million worlds, where are the volunteer regiments and battalions? If they did a volunteer or be conscripted type of recruitment, they may pull similar numbers, but even then it'll be frightened civilians who have an overinflated perception of their own value and worth.
Guardsmen have a few things on their side to ensure they'll fight to the death.
1: The life of one human offered up on the altar of war is nothing. Death is a certainty and the only eternal glory is found in service to the God Emperor.
2: If you continue fighting you might die.
3: If you try to run you will DEFINITELY die.
4: Every threat the guard faces is an existential threat that deserves only annihilation.
Their zealotry and fanaticism and brutal tactics will more than compensate for a few million clones. The scale of the Guard against these other three armies is multiple orders of magnitude greater than all of them combined.
Not to talk about the massive amount of armored division the Astra Militarum possesses
also the regiments that don't even have guns. like he said, some guard units would have won this if it was just them(Cadians, I'm lookin at you) but as a whole, there logistics is just not that great. Very few of these regiments will ever fight alongside each other and will only go so far from their home world. Not that they are not willing, but travel in 40K is a joke. it only works super well close to the Golden Throne. Get a couple thousand light years away and speed drops. get a couple 10,000 light years away and only space marines will survive the trip. literally the children of the human crew is now the crew. correct me if i am wrong, but this is what i have heard from many 40k fans. with travel times like that, you just cant expect to have the right guard at the right time. Hence, they have the worst logistics.
all that being said, I'm confidant that the full combined forces of the other three factions dropped of on cadia, would loose. not badly, it would be a hard fight, but cadia would hold.
The republic has volunteer regiments but chooses not to use them unless necesairy. The clone army is wel equiped for almost every situation and clones are trained from birth in certain forms of combat. Thats why they rarely need forces from other planets. But for example they used the gungan army once to reinforce clone troops in an underwater battle (forgot the name)
Except its not that easy and 40k just uses whatever soldiers it happens to have available at that exact moment. Yeah we have some "notable" super good regiments, but 99% of imperial guards (or more) are disposable cannon fodder with no particular abilities. Catachan, kriegs, cadian, etc. regiments make up a very small portion of the overall imperial guard. Almost all imperial guard are little more than barely-trained conscripts with lackluster equipment, terrible strategies, and the raw numbers required to win. In terms of effectiveness for the cost in lives and equipment, the imperial guard is incredibly inferior to all of the other options. The only real upside of them is that they have good ground armor (tanks and whatnot). Even their air support is quite lackluster, most of the time.
As Nowl said for instance, clones are much more versatile: They're well trained, well equipped, and have at least at times good tactics. They have a well-rounded military machine that operates efficiently with a clear chain of command, easy logistics, and both the versatility to operate in numerous environments, as well as the specialization to deploy more specialized units where they are needed.
Len Kagamine Ok, first of all you have a poor grasp on how devastating the Aeronautica Imperialis is. Second of all, I love this assumption people make where they compare 40k guardsmen to poor equipped infantry like they’re a Soviet Conscript. They are VERY well equipped, most squads come with heavy or special weapons, and training is brutal, like the United States Marine Corps if they had no morals. Flak armour and Carapace armour is quite effective at its job. The humble Lasgun is very powerful, contrary to the “flashlight” memes out there. The only reason Guardsmen fight in “ WW1 style warefare” is because it’s the most efficient way for the guards to pack as much firepower into a small an area as possible, lives are cheap.
I think this is a pretty good summary and your rankings are decently accurate.
Your summary of 40k was pretty accurate, some regiments definitely would be #1 while just as many would be last.
A couple things to note, there is a “Gold standard” for guard, the big problem is not all worlds can meet that standard, especially newly colonised or technologically primitive worlds. They are the Cadians, which are the most commonly featured regiment in the 40k media in the video. Cadians are noted for being trained from an early age for war and their home planet of Cadia was a fortress world guarding the “Cadian Gate” into the Eye of Terror. Culturally they have are disciplined and constantly training, recruiting and making new recruits due to the constant chaos and Demonic incursions coming out of the eye. War is in the blood of all Cadians. They were the most prolific Guard regiments in the 40k universe and many worlds colonised by Cadia took after their progenitors in terms of organisation. To put this into context, a recent lore development was the destruction of Cadia, which is summarised by the quote “Let it be known that the planet broke before the guard did”.
The Cadian regiments IMO would be comparable to the Clone armies but less flexible without the air support. And more tanks. Which brings me into the next point.
The guard love Tanks. Lots and lots, entire regiments and legions.The guard relies on tanks a fair amount in place of air support. This can be seen from the wide variety of their armour, from standard Leman Russ MBTs to specialised anti infantry Punishers and anti armour Vanquishers all the way up to Mountain cracking Baneswords and everything in between. But, once again due to logistical issues they just aren’t available to all battlefields.
That also includes how Baneblades are very rare since the AdMech are very stingy when it comes to giving tech.
Not to mention that most regiments/armies ARE specialized.
Mordian Iron Guard --> Infantry tactics
Death Korps of Krieg --> Siege warfare
Vostroyan --> Infantry and armored warfare
Ellysian Droptroops --> Drop assaults
Etc.
But overall it was indeed a pretty accurate description. :)
and let's not forget Vindicator assassins, Orbital bombardments, and other units/rules that the IG use but were not mentioned in the video.
Vindicare Assassins are not part of the Imperial Guard, they're part of the Officio Assassinorum, which is a completely separate entity. And as he said in the video, he's only looking at the Imperial Guard, not the other forces they can call in for assistance.
The Vindicator Assassins and Orbital Bombardments are not a part of the Astra Militarum though. Rather, the assassins are a part of the Officio Assassinorum, used primarily by inquisitors to hunt down and take out individuals who are believed to have been corrupted by chaos, while the Orbital Bombardments comes from the Navy, which may or may not have a fleet positioned in orbit.
What I like is that the CIS army is quite similar to the imperial guard. They outnumbered the clones in high proportions and if it wasn't for sidious plan they would have probably won the war before it even began
Imagine seeing a horde of medics healing each other
Ekharts ladder: the Jedi weren’t really part of the military.
:all the jedi’s with the rank of general in the republic. “Am I a joke to you?”
Sly Marbo should have been #1.
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I just saw this and I really think you did the Imperium a disservice. Look at the Cadians. Literally, raised from birth to be soldiers. The entrie planet is a fortress. Plus, you kinda ignored all their vehicles. Baneblades? Leman Russ? Not your best work, dude.
But are all of the Guard Cadians? Are all of the Guard capable of getting tanks on time? Are all of the Guard capable of getting assistance from the navy when they need it? Are the Guard all tactically sound of mind? No, it's a logistical nightmare, and no one would want the Guard as their main fighters. If you were to scale the UNSC up to the Guard, they would kick the Guard's ass. If you were to scale the GAR to the Guard, they would kick their ass. The Dominion doesn't need scaling since each of their soldiers is at most 1/3rd an Astartes but would still kick their ass in tactics.
@@starhammer5247 I mean once the GAR, UNSC, or Dominion makes themselves noticeable enough to warrant a threat to the Imperium, Lord Commander Roboute Guilliman would use his op please nerf leadership, organizational, tactical skills to assemble whatever defense he thinks is required to stop them and if the only defense he could use/assemble can only be comprised of guardsmen then I'm confident he will make sure every regiment get what they need where they need to be used effectively I mean mf assembled the largest galaxy wide crusade since the great crusade to skullfuck everyone in his way in weeks I'm 100% sure he can have a force of assembled at full combat effectiveness comprised of guardsmen in time to pwn any heretics they believe are threatening their Imperium but if Guilliman isn't leading and is replaced for hypothetical reasons by the High Lords then the logistical bureaucratic nightmare that is the guard wouldn't be fixed and that would definitely lead to mismanaged maybe poorly equipped maybe not guardsman regiments being thrown at the problem not to win just to stem it for as long as possible (Probably why Guilliman yeeted them as soon as possible when he took control), short version High Lords are playing checkers while Guilliman is playing ten games of chess at once winning decisively.
@@mattdarwin3978 Guilliman is smart and I know for a fact that including him will be a win regardless of most situations, though I doubt he'd survive a direct MAC blast, or at least not survive fifteen hundred, that's unrelated. Anyway, we're not including Space Marines or their men for this match-up. We're taking the force as average before any Guilliman stuff happens. In other words just the base Imperial Guard, not Guilliman's version. The base Imperial Guard is just a massive fucking nightmare both logistically and strategically. They can't even call in air support unless the local fleet commanders feel like it, which is usually never.
@@starhammer5247 I’m saying if Guillimans op pls nerf humongous brain alone led the guard instead of fighting on the ground he’d still win (he wouldn’t even need to step foot on the ground since he knows the battle is won) with his mind alone but yeah base guardsmen with the high lords leading would just be a nightmare of a war literally would be a meat grinder for both sides with waves of millions if not billions of guardsmen being thrown in without any care
@@mattdarwin3978 The UNSC and GAR not losing nearly as many soldiers as the Guard due to functional supply lines, actual strategy and competent higher-ups that can get them what they need when they need it. Guilliman leading the Guard would fix those issues but base Guard has issues galore.
Would really love to see the devs. of each universe give unbiased and equal opinion and agree on a fair and even ranking for these universes.
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Wow some people take this a bit to serious. He admits in terms of sheer power the IG could defeat basically any other faction on this list. However he points out its major flaws. Ie standization of equipment and legistical issues. Which when your legistics guys send lasgun power packs to units that have autoguns and bullets to units with damaged lasgun power packs. You have a legistics problem. Its that simple. Now i personally would chose the Unsc Marines legistics model as it has worked for military units since the industral revolution and standization of arms.
However i would rather have either Imperial Guardsmen from Cadia ,Unsc infantry or even Terrain Marines over clone troopers. Sure Clones are trained from birth to fight battles but they never had to survive on their own without support or reenforcements for years behind enemy lines fighting everyday and night. And they sure as hell have never had to survive a childhood in a city teaming with cutthroat gangs, theaves , murders and worst .
Basically Clone Troopers are too clean cut for me personally.
*A single Terminator squad* > Everything else
*Press X to doubt* Not nearly flexible enough if the opposition is flexible and packs a punch.
idk... custodian terminator squad)
I am ROSSO um well if you look at the weapons available they can tank cannon shells so anything else is very futile. Other than maybe plasma stuff. And they have anti personnel anti tank and anti air weapons
I am ROSSO
Lmao sure. Terminators would cream everything in their sight.
There are a lot of different models of terminators...standard infantry is tough but not immune to small arms fire. There are much more powerful variants but they aren't used for everything, presumably due to resource constraints.
"Hell, it's about time."
-Tychus Findlay, 2504
Star Wars : You have to be smart cause enemy may looks dumb but they always had some weird tricks
Warhammer 40k : Just roll in with numbers, the Emperor will protect
HALO : Everybody s fighting to their death, strong enemy can't be outsmart with, rely on one to save all
StarCraft : I have no idea what's going on here, everything in a mess
Heresy starts at 09:11
didnt even watch the video. just clicked on this comment and disliked.
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Agree
What about Imperial Guard vehicles?! Like every other faction you went into detail with their vehicles except Imperial Guard's.
This heresy couldn't be approved by our Emperor, but it was Chaos and Xeno free content, so nice video.
Jacket because the imperial guard would just drown them in blood
Did somebody say die for the Emperor?
Obvious bias , FOR THE EMPEROR
The Imperial Guard deliberately gimp their own vehicle organisation to prevent rebellion. If all branches worked together, they'd dominate, but they don't, so they're pretty much useless.
The Death Korps Commissar would like to have a word with you
imagine training your whole life for the GAR and as soon as you get out of those flying things you get shot.
I'd actually have to say that if you didn't include the Space Marines, you should not have included the Spartans.
Yeah he should have added jedi too, or remove spartans
Yep found this tl be unfair aswell
The Spartans are a part of the unsc whereas space marines are not imperial guard
he is halo fan boy. just like his flood vids.
@@damoostifer Even so, he still left out way too much about the Imperial Guard. He didn't talk about their great artillery or tanks. Or their massive production output.
You should say which is best logistically as the title
terran battlecruisers: "Am I a joke to you?"
It seemed to me a bit unfair to get the Astartes out of the Organization of the Imperium's Army. Sure they are independant but they are for me an equivalent to Halo spartans. I mean: Enhanced ? Best equipement ? Few in number compared to the ground to cover ? Well, after all, it doesn't change much to the tactical ranking I guess.
The point to that is that spartans are still unsc, while adeptus astartes are a different organization altogether
@@icicle_ai They all belong to the Imperium of Man.
@@IAmTh3Doom Thats the same wa yi think, the Imperium of Man is basically the Army, because mostly everything is about war there. They need to defend vs everything there is only war.
I do think you might have forgotten that other Factions here had their Special Forces removed much like the astartes so its a bit more even, although I dont think spartans should have been included to make it more fair
Amended list
1. Imperium of Man
2. Imperium of Man
3. Imperium of Man
4. Imperium of Man
Not to beat a dead horse but trying to compare armies without their Stratigic advantage and total strength is not a fair comparison. The imperium is built to rely on the combined arms of all its forces to face spacific threats. What you have done is seriously curtail the imperial war machine by taking Only guardsmen. That is like taking only the police forces of other factions.
It is never a case that the IG do not have access to Imperial navy support, especially on the offensive. Mechanicus forces were not even mentioned. The better choice would have been to compare an imperial crusade such as the Damocleas Gulf crusade, to the other groups.
But case in point: the imperium of man would utterly destroy any other faction here.
"The imperium is built to rely on the combined arms of all its forces to face spacific threats."
No, it is not. 90% of its engagements are guard alone, another 9% being planetary forces alone. (The Imperium is built to rely on massive infrastructure and redundancy in order to die slowly.) The Guard rarely have Navy support, as ground support is simply not seen as worth the Navy's time. Space Marines are super rare The Mechanicus almost never actually fights.
And... y'know, even if you *do* include them, there is no unity of command. At all. Each force operates on its own discretion, if they even cooperate. 'They have other forces, but it's about a 3/4 they don't start fighting each other' is not exactly a ringing endorsement.
And if we include *naval* capabilities, every other force has already accomplished its objective and left by the time the Imperium arrives - except the GAR, which simply lays its ships in ambush at the Imperium rallying point at rips them apart piecemeal.
@@basedeltazero714 on defense that is the case, and even if you only use 90% guard the guard is as diverse As It Gets. On the offensive almost every Crusade has at least one chapter of Space Marines, the adeptus mechanicus, the Imperial Navy, and ecclesiarchy forces attached. Small engagements with Orcs, chaos uprisings, and the usual conflicts with Rogue elements is not the kind of War that requires and combined arms Force you are correct. However and Imperial response Force always includes multiple arms of the Imperial military based on the threat they are facing. The point is that the Imperium is so large and so complex that it cannot be reasonably compared to the UNSC. The UNSC is comparable to a single world, the Armageddon steel Legion, Krieg, or elysians. Comparing Cadia to the UNSC alone would be a valid comparison. Well the Imperium may have a slow response time, each of these worlds on their own is a very efficient and active military with their own organizational structures that work like clockwork and provide for a very efficient means of Waging War. Cadia was able to hold off 13 black Crusades, a single world which was able to fight off the equivalent of the great Crusade 13 different times along with reality-bending monsters and orc incursions. This is because Cadia as an efficient and well-thought-out Military Logistics system, Cadia also has some of the best weapons and armor in the Imperium, at least that's available to the guard. Contrary to what most people think it is not a standard guard tactic to stand in lines and just walk into the enemy. Imperial Guardsmen, even Krieg guardsman, do not throw their lives away needlessly they fight efficiently, and make the most of every tactic they can.
@@basedeltazero714
If the imperium was as inept as you say they would have fallen milenia ago.
But even taking a PDF force would be just as hard as taking any planet in any other system.
Also, if the other factions attempted faster than light travel in warhammer 40k without gelar fields, then they are screwed.
@@HTMR-de8gz "Well the Imperium may have a slow response time, each of these worlds on their own is a very efficient and active military with their own organizational structures that work like clockwork and provide for a very efficient means of Waging War."
Are you claiming the Death Korp, or the Valhallans or the Mordians are 'efficient'? Cadia is on par with the Cold War era Red Army, which is, by 40k standards, a stunning level of competence. And nothing in 40k ever works like clockwork.
"Contrary to what most people think it is not a standard guard tactic to stand in lines and just walk into the enemy."
Except the Mordians, who do just that...
I will admit it is not a standard tactic. They guard are not completely stupid. Given their position their decisions make a bit of sense - they can't possibly outmaneuver factions like the Tau or Eldar, and thus rely on unstoppable firepower superiority - which they can pull off due to their superior industrial base. It is a reasonable use of the resources they have available, against the enemies they are fighting.
BUT this doesn't mean they don't have marked disadvantages compared to the other factions on the table, who do not suffer from the same limitations as the Guard. The Guard have gotten adept at leveraging their advantages and minimizing their weaknesses against better organized, better equipped, more maneuverable opponents, but that doesn't change the fact that, say, the UNSC *is* a better organized, more maneuverable, more flexible force. With the in the situation they are in, with the resources they have, they can accomplish more, more efficiently. Could they do the same with the Guard's resources? No, probably not. But that's not the question.
"If the imperium was as inept as you say they would have fallen milenia ago."
By all rights? They should have, but Grimdark Causality. And the Imperium is very inept - in its social structure, it's industry, its tech, its overall organization... As it is, they're mostly... losing slowly. But they've gotten very good at sacrificing parts so the whole survives, even if this strategy only prolongs the inevitable. That grand strategic scope, however, is irrelevant to the details on the ground.
"But even taking a PDF force would be just as hard as taking any planet in any other system. "
Not really. PDFs are deliberately crippled so as not to pose a threat to the Imperium itself.
"Also, if the other factions attempted faster than light travel in warhammer 40k without gelar fields, then they are screwed.
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Well, you see, they're travelling through hyperspace/slipspace, not the warp, so it doesn't count :P
Sarcasm aside, generally we operate under the assumption all tech works the way it'd be expected to in the home universe.
"However and Imperial response Force always includes multiple arms of the Imperial military based on the threat they are facing. The point is that the Imperium is so large and so complex that it cannot be reasonably compared to the UNSC".
I think that even if we expand the comparison from 'UNSC Marines/Imperial Guard' to 'All UNSC armed forces/All Imperium military forces', the equation actually gets *worse*. The question of who takes a fight is settled rather promptly by the enormous size disparity, but we're looking at, basically, in a given cross section, which is better?
And while the Imperium certainly involves multiple components in its Crusades, the integration between them is very limited. Some crusades have a Warmaster/Lord Solar in theoretical overall command, but in any case, on the ground level, there is little liason between forces that might be fighting side-by-side. A Space Marine Company may be operating *with* a Guard regiment, but not in sync - they have to either make personal agreements, or, maybe, go aaaaaalll the way up the chain to the Lord Solar, which is, obviously, ludicrous. The same is true of say, the Guard and the Navy. A Guard commander can't call an airstrike, that's solely at the discretion of the Navy captains, who aren't in his chain of command. A Space Marine captain can't rely on the nearby Guard to exploit a breakthrough made by his forces. They might *decide* to cooperate, but this is an informal, unpredictable process. You can't know that just because you worked together yesterday that you will work together for the next mission. Even in the face of direct orders... these groups don't always get along. It's far from unheard of for the Mechanicus or Astartes or Ecclesiarchy to bring their own agenda which they will pursue in lieu of the actual mission goal. Or that one time the Munitorium decided the Warmaster was incompetent and sent the Scions to kill him, only for the Custodes, of all things, to show up...
This is also a problem at a smaller scale with individual guard units, who rarely have organic specialized equipment, and two guard units with vastly different TO&Es and tactics might be assigned to the same formation, though at least in this case there's a theoretical high command. But consider the differences in capabilities and expectations between, say, a Tallarn and Vostroyan unit. (A good commander quickly learns the particular strengths of the units under his command, but this is made more difficult by the lack of standardization... and the Imperium has a tendency towards promoting politically palatable (and relentless) commanders over ones that might be more competent (retreating to fight under more advantageous circumstances is arguably treason, but lose half your force to take the moderately useful hill? Victory needs no excuse.)
Contrast to the UNSC where the marines on the ground are in direct contact with not only the other squads in their overall formation, but the ship in space - indeed the ship and the marines are under the same command authority. They can request orbital resupply, for instance, and have it rapidly granted. They know they can rely on pelican gunships for support and transport because they are attached to the battalion command. Even in the realm of special forces, barring detached operatives on covert missions, the same person commands both the Spartans and the grunt marines, and thus could, say, orbital-drop spartan teams into problem areas, or perhaps behind enemy lines to take out a critical force-multiplier, rather than, as in the Imperium, having two different people commanding each force and having to guess what the other needs - and knows.
@@basedeltazero714
I looked up the logistical branch if the imperium on Lexicanum: the departmento munitorum.
Representatives of the organisation are also present on all Imperial Navy ships, and wherever Imperial Guard forces are stationed.
The Munitorum is organised to allow each level of the organisation to respond effectively to threats, regardless of size and location. The local departments of the organisation can raise tithes from worlds close to a war zone without needing a response from the higher levels of the Departmento Munitorum. As the level of a threat increases and more local departments of the munitorum become involved, the amount tithed, and the amount of planets tithed from, increases. At this point higher levels of the Departmento Munitorum will also become involved, and may funnel additional resources from other parts of the Imperium in to a war zone.
The local Departmento Munitorum presence in a subsector has the ability to impose instant tithes, without forewarning, as and when required. Because of this, central command is not needed, due to the functional autonomy of each level of the organisation.
So in simpler terms, there is a "central" command. But it is decentralization that has allowed the imperium to survive.
If a UNSC high command is lost, that is it,
If communication fails, your network falls apart. The imperium is built to fight alone in the dark, without help. Because they have no choice.
A centralized command network can be a serious liability if tapped and cracked by the enemy. And the imperium would be able to launch a focused strike with the force to break even the hardest defense.
me in start : Ah somone want be rousted be WH40K
me in end: Wtf drugs?
Power wise though, and everything taken into account, I'm pretty sure the republic would be absolutely trounced by the UNSC and imperial guard. I can't say much about starcraft cause I've never played it, but I'm a massive fan of pragmatism over flashiness
You know, as a Canadian, I have to fall on our military doctrine, teacher your soldiers to specialists in everything.
Remind me again why you only evaluated one branch of the military of the Imperium but used all of them for the other factions.
Because he's a biased dumbfuck who clearly doesn't understand the concepts of honesty or research.
Morrigi192 Because the IoM is way too big to list everything. It was also based on organization. Throwing guardsmen until it dies isn't the best organization. Will the 40k universe wipe the floor with everyone? Yes.
Cadians and Armageddon Regiments are more organized and used better than other groups
The answer would have been the same really and it would have just stretched out the length of the video, so why bother?
organization ? HA ! when in doubt, throw more men at it !
"Score one for the Republic"
-Star Wars: Battlefront II (Classic, 2005)
The Empire: sir our men are holding but morale is failing rapidly!
Death Korps: morale? Whats morale?
if you include spartans you have to include space marines
lol nope, space marines aren't a part of the imperial guard
@@boliwijskisprzedawcakapucynek Spartans aren't a part of the UNSC Army. They are occasionally attached to the UNSC Army and placed under the command of a high ranking Army Commander like a Colonel or above.
Reach was their training center. And a military Fortress world. That's a special occasion. More often than not Spartans operated as part of Naval Special Warfare. Basically Navy SEALs.
Should Include Kaserkin, They are practically spartan 3's