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The Empire fleet at Endor vs the Covenant Fleet of Retribution. The UNSC Infinity vs Bellator class star dreadnought. Munificent-class star frigate vs Acclamator-class assault ship.
I dunno, grunts are nasty little buggers that breed like guppies and use fuel rod guns. And Jackals are anti-infantry what with their needle weapons, shields, carbines, and beam rifles. Lets not forget the fucking skirmishers.
@@sutler12 Literally you are commenting on every fucking comment thats against Star wars. Sit the fuck down. Because you prefer Star wars doesnt mean EVERYBODY GONNA LOVE STAR WARS.
Elite who survived Vader encounter: *”Stupid black masked geezer has OP super senses or something and MAGIC! He also has ripped off our swords as well and he sounds like a robot or something.”*
My biggest issue with this is that he used both Legends and Canon info for the Imperials, but that is not my only issue, he didn't look fully over Troops, Armor, Weapons, Vehicles, etc. and the enemies that both the Imperials and the Covenant have faced. That's just my thoughts however.
@@eggstertheegg7736 Then again if you did mention all of them, even low balling it would be enough to supply a small army for each if each person was given only (insert thing here)
@@eggstertheegg7736 True and there are some fun ones too. However that would be a really big ass video. Which is a damn shame, because like I said there are some really fun weapons, ships, armor, ect.
@@icyr0bin-794 removed voting, removed easy control of quality, Removed captions selection (now it’s only able to be auto generated in the language of the video, none other) Removed the ability for people to assist in caption making
@@emilyashen4643 the captions part is probably what pisses me off the most lol but yeah youtube is determined to make their platform as shit as possible
masterchief: you want a medal? i can break that rock with my little finger whilst falling from space and taking on the covenant and forerunners by myself
@@scottstanickyj1686 Luke was bitching about pulling an X-Wing out of a swamp and gave up on Yodas teachings often. Master Chief pushed himself to his limits and beyond to get the job done. Id also like to see Luke survive an orbital insertion with little to no protection
Shipmaster: we should send in recon ships to- Jackal sniper: done Shipmaster: how di- what do you mean “done” Jackal Sniper: I destroyed the galactic empire Shipmaster: we haven’t even started our attack yet Jackal: yes I understand this
Shipmaster: WERE EVEN ARE YOU? Sniper Jackel: We flew some ships to mars and sniped them. Shipmaster: HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THESE THINGS? Sniper jackal: We don’t know to be honest.
This is true. Although, one is a devastating disease that originated from literal gods, and one is a weapon used by literal Jesus Christ who has telepathy. Hmmmmm....
Aman Th3_WAV originate is literally the most appropriate term for that, the flood are a completely separate entity now, that ORIGINATED ( came from/ was created from) from the precursers
When we joined the Covenant, we took an Oath... "According to our station, all without exception!" "On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons, we swore to uphold the Covenant!" "Even to our dying breath!" "Those who break this Oath are heretics, worthy of neither pitty nor mercy, even now, they use our lords' creation, to broadcast their lies..." "We shall Grind them into dust!" "And continue our march to glorious salvation!"
This armor suits you, but it cannot hide that mark. Nothing ever will. You are the Arbiter, the will of the Prophets, but these are *my* Elites. Their lives matter to me, yours does not. That makes two of us.
@@MasonForge indeed believing the covenant has the slightest chance of winning a war against an enemy 50,000 times larger and tech superior when they couldnt defeat in 30 years a 40 times smaller enemy and tech inferior yeah it is a big abrupt blasphemy.
Orlando Carvill yeah no. The empire can build many planet destroying weapons but the covenant has many of them, with smaller ones used on ships. If a covenant cruiser tried to glass a Death Star I believe they’d do so successfully
@@sutler12 Dude. Seriously, chill. We get it that you like the Empire, that doesn't mean you have to go through every single comment in the comment section that goes against the Empire and with the Covenant. There are Halo fans too
@@coletrain8494 well thats the difference halolite i am 100% objective you want me to be condescendent with the fanboys like you, well thats never going to happen.
Empire: "We have trillions of stormtroopers. what do you got." Sangheili Shipmaster: "Want me to time you or......" Legendary Jackel Sniper: "Nah, no point."
Darth Vader: we got 2 meat balls and a bunch of blind soldiers The profits: We have some popcorn makers and some dudes with laser that can snipe you in 5 nanoseconds
Flood consume literally every technological and Biological entity that they can. Ships, gone. Soldiers, gone. Civilians, gone. Yuuzan Von, gone a hundred times over.
@@ericstaples7220 Unless they use a super weapon, it takes them a while, just like with the Covenant. And with the Empire, it’s more of a planetary bombardment than a glassing.
The Covenant stand a chance because not everyone loves the Empire. Being multi-species it is appealing to help the Covenant even if you dont believe in the religion. Jackals fight because their world profits from the war so others could see it logical to join.
@@phx24 funny enough the covenant could outnumber the empire in a short amount of time if they take other species from the Star wars Galaxy. I think they outnumber the humans right?
@@ironmenace8883 ok sorry i know barely anything about Halo besides from what I seen in the games and some of the books. Same with star wars movies tv and it's games.
To be fair, defeated by rag tag rebels with rough tech parity. The covenant were defeated by humans who didn't even have a grasp of energy weapons yet.
@@TheChiconspiracy Come on, rough tech parity? Would you say that the Ewoks were equally advanced? In all seriousness you are right in the sense that there was not alot of difference from foot soldier to foot soldier, but the empire had tons of advanced soldier types, as well as vastly superior vehicles on the ground, all though the I think the X-Wing performes better than the Tie Fighter. The UNSC would have lost to the Covenant, if it wasn't for other variables and there own religious pious nonsense. The UNSC didn't beat them either, and they would have been consumed if it was not for the shipmaster, who I might add had complete Technical parity with the covenant :).
@@TheChiconspiracy The reason the humans won was because the covenant was torn up by a civil war which left the elites and a lot of hunters to join the humans.
@@angushunt204 A rebel soldier's blaster was just as good if not superior to his imperial counterpart. The covenant weapons in lore are FAR better than their human counterparts. And the Empire only lost due to some serious force-buggery giving certain individuals absurd character shields, so it's not that different.
@@TheChiconspiracy I don't think there is any proof to say that the rebel weapons were as good as a Stormtrooper E-11 blaster, let alone superior. I cannot recall any engagement where the rebels outclassed the stormtroopers in a Skirmish, yet the empire annihilated the rebels on the Tantive IV, and completely outclassed them on Hoth. The Rebels only had a superior fighter, and that's about it, except for having a far greater motivation for waging war.
They didn't knew the terrain and the ewoks are capable of taking down even the biggest of the predators of their home moon, I will not underestimared if I was you
@@alejandroelluxray5298 Why not they were stationed for some time there. And even then they could have just bombarded the shit out of the forest vietnam style with TIE fighters and vehicles. Instead they scattered and chased the ewoks. Not smart.
I think an under represented strength here is I believe slip space drives are not limited in the same way hyperspace lanes are. It may not completely flip the result but the covenants ability to ignore that limitation and interdictions fields means while slower they are arguably more mobile than the empire.
@@Soft__lemons Nah, Elites are good soldiers they would be better trained then Stormies. Clone would prolly be superior in range but in melee the Elites would terror them apart. Also elites have shields and cloaking so they have pretty strong edge.
Christopher Vasilakos clones aren’t involved. If they were, their training would be immensely superior. Storm troopers don’t need to match the physical capabilities of elites when they have superior equipment and weaponry. Their training is probably better but they’re weaker in terms of physical strength but make up for that in marksmanship and also their superior armor that would render covenant weapons useless. Also a shield only blocks a blast, you still have to account for the kinetic energy hitting elite shields that would probably break a few bones if the elites take more than 3 hits. It isn’t a war with close ranged weapons, it’s a war of technology and the empire succeeds in that field.
@@Soft__lemons eh plasma would burn right through the plastoid, so would crystals from the needlers all the shit the Elites use burn through Spartan Armor if it doesn't have shields. Stormtroopers have cheap plastoid and the quality varies im sorry but in a single pitched battle the elites would decimate the stormtrooper, we also even had take the mentality into mind not every stormtrooper is a fanatic zealot compared to Elites. Morale would be a main thing the elites would probably cloak themselves before battle and get as close to the stormtroopers as possible and just shred them in cqc i doubt the empire has anything to counter active camo atleast what ive seen.
Christopher Vasilakos they do, most imperial artillery or weaponry is equipped to view heat signatures and would be able to fire at them. The armor used by Spartans is mostly metals such as titanium. The armor used by stormtroopers is far beyond that. It isn’t as durable but against plasma, it works amazingly. Also all vehicles and artillery used by stormtroopers would decimate covenant forces. Also you must remember you can’t base your argument solely off of elites when they aren’t the entire military. But even if they were, they’re inferior technology, equipment and weaponry just wouldn’t help them at all. They would have to follow the footsteps of the rebels and use guerrilla tactics in order to stand a chance but even the rebels had more advanced weaponry, equipment and numbers. The only thing i can agree on you with is the mindset but the stormtroopers will only be intimidated by the looks of the elites. Once they start massacring them, they’re morale will rise. Also stormtroopers have strong national pride so they won’t run from the enemy and they’ll face them head on- from a distance. The elites don’t stand a chance, i apologize.
@@sutler12 I've read thru alot of comments and ur such a star wars fan boy, u can't take a joke u have been fan boying for around 2 years chill out and take a joke
@@sutler12 holy shit dude the fact u responded literally proves how much of a loser u are in life gl in ur life if u can't learn and move on, u can keep replying but it'll be pointless Hf
Yes the Empire is large, no that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to defeat. The Rebels Managed to do the job almost comically easily. Now if we are being honest they took advantage of operation Cinder. All they had to do was kill Palpatine and the Empire was DESIGNED to self destruct. In a matchup between these two factions, The Empire has to locate and eliminate the Hierarchs.....The Covenant has to locate and eliminate Palpatine.
Thing is even the rebels could field thousands of ships. With 17 hundred being capital ships. The covenant just don't have the number to win. Eliminating Palpatine in this case won't even help them because they will still lose before operation cinder can go into effect and that assumes Vader doesn't prevent operation cinder from ever happening
@@saber5694 plus if we switch out the rebels with the covenant on the battle of Endor, the coveant meant could do the job way faster scene as how covenant ground troops would undoubtedly stomp any imperial ground troops
Well i dont think killing palpati would be easy all the thing that will happen is that palpy will revive again and again and again as long as lord vader is still alive glory to the empire!
@@brisketea2438 imagine call me insane and claiming i spend all day in comments when you are the one projecting your own insecurities and claiming bullshit things to support them? and no he is wrong, just as you are deluded. OWNED
@@sutler12 nope. He was stating a fact, you ARE constantly checking the comment section. And further proves how pathetic you are. Any further reply's to this comment proves my point. *OWNED*
@@sutler12 the Covenant lost because of the most dangerous person to ever live teaming up with the most dangerous alien to ever live with the best planning and an amazing fleet for basically being rebels after their whole species gets kicked out of the Covenant. And you think that they lost because of their leader with no outside interference? Either way the prophets knew what the Halo rings would do but they kept up the act so technically the prophets aren't the religious ones
@@Plooooof wrong, according to halo lore the covenant had the only living being that was never wrong, you didnt even knew that fanboy, also the prophets were crazy you idiot, and the flood only came at the last two months of war, also the schism thinking that in 2 months those two things brought the covenant down its evidence of how an ignorant imbecile you are.
The Covenant could easily induct hundreds of outer rim alien races who have been oppressed by the Empire. Hell, Thel Vadam could strike a deal with Jabba the Hutt for use of Hutt Space.
That actually wouldn't work very well. Not only are the Hutts insanely arrogant, but they're smart enough to realize that the Covenant wouldn't tolerate their criminal activities. The Hutts have alway had a "live and let live" relationship with whoever rules the galaxy, because it's not worth it to try destroy them. The Covenant wouldn't be like that, so the Hutts wouldn't help them. It would also be impossible to convince them to convert. The Hutt's used to worship the moons of their original homeworld, even after they achieved space flight. Then their sun exploded. They escaped, but the moons didn't. The Hutts interpreted this as them surpassing their gods.
Not really at all, star wars species are way smarter and open minded than halo species. If anything they would mostly stand out of the war, especially when they or if they find out how the covenant treats its unggoy.
@@afisch1694 the death star can fire to destroy a planet in 24 hours but using a single reactor reduces it times greatly, DS 2 can fire to blow ships 5 minutes per shot, also each death star has 15,000 turbolasers, 10,000 laser cannons and 5,000 ion cannons, enough to mop the entire high charity defense fleet on its own, and both death stars have a defense fleet with hundreds of capital ships and tens of thousands of tie class starfighters. also the covenant slipspace tech is so slow that by the first contact with the empire the next time the covenant arrive to a system it would be 2 months later and every single planet would be more than ready to counter the covenant and they would most likely have military plans to entrap the covenant and blow them, also the covenant took over 2 weeks and more than 300 ships to not even fulLy glass reach so WRONG, they would be dead before glassing a single planet.
Orlando Carvill The Covenant would simply swarm the Death Star with Ranger Grunts, Jackals, and Elites to open the doors and allow hundreds more troopers including Hunters to storm it and plant bombs to blow it sky high
It’s downright amazing how one-sided the space battle would be in favor of the Empire, but how one-sided it would be in favor of the Covenant on the ground
I agree with you in space, and I also think the ground battle would be much closer than space, but the Empire are no slouches there either. Only Grunts would be able to compete with the numbers of Imperial Army, and Stormtroopers, while jump packs, miniturized ion torpedos, ion weapons, smart rockets, missile launchers, dioxis grenades, thermal detonators, thermal imploders, squad shields, probes, and automatic turrets would be common for Imperial infantry to have.
Bro Covenant dominates space. Their average ship is 2.5x the size of a Star Destroyer, has stronger shields, more/stronger weaponry, AND a stronger hull.
@@DroidUnit117 uh no. Stars wars ships have turbo lasers that can cause GIGATON explosions Besides the biggest ship in star wars is the death star. Or the bigger death star.
@@FLMKane You understand that both Death Stars were destroyed by fighters right? Weak ones at that, a Seraph from the Covenant absolutely destroys an X-Wing or Tie Fighter. Also, doesn't matter what weapons they have if they can't damage a Covenant ship. Not only is the average Covenant ship 2.5x the size of a Star Destroyer, but they can tank multiple Thermonuclear explosions WITHOUT shields. Also, Imperial Star Destroyers get taken down by fighters/bombers with ease. The durability of Imperial ships is non-existent. While Covenant ships have an arsenal powerful enough to take em down with a single shot.🤷🏼♂️
I think if the Empire started losing the war Palpatine really wouldn’t have to think twice about enlisting other species. Wookiees, nogri, weequay, etc etc are canonically above the hundreds of trillions as seen in the yuuzan vong war.
I imagine that Wookiees and Trandoshans would be very effective soldiers if they were equipped by the Empire. Wookiee and Trandoshans were already some of the best fighters in the Galaxy with their “home made” or commercially sourced weapons and equipment. If the Empire actually took the effort to accept, equip and study how best to use these species, they would be extremely powerful soldiers. Wookiee would have been heavily armored and packing heavy weapons would be walking tanks. Trandoshans equipped with cloaking and state of the art weapons and scanning equipment would have made for amazing special forces and snipers. These super Trandoshans would probably give legendary Jackal snipers a run for their money. While Brutes are probably superior to Wookiee’s, they don’t seem to take advantage of their strength and size and are equipped similarly to Elites.
I think that conflict is pretty much the proper example to see how things would go. Even though the Vong never went against Palpatine, it was the enemy he was preparing for going all the way back to the Seperatist Movement in the first place. An intact Empire with Death Stars, Super Star Destroyers, etc versus the Covenant & the Vong is a win in my book. Both the Old & New Republics would have lost just like the Galactic Alliance lost militarily against the Vong with only crazy Force crap & a living planet putting a stop to things.
@@MPdude237 I think it would be awesome to see a Wookie go up against a brute in hand to hand combat,but I feel that the Wookie would get destroyed lol
The Empire wins a Total War because they can easily win a war of attrition. The Covenant just doesn't have the resources, especially when there is such parity in space tech. Superior Covenant infantry doesn't matter when you can't control space. The only way the Covenant wins is if their guerilla tactics can force the Empire into a drawn out, inconclusive, unpopular war that spawns rebellion in the Empire's territory.
@@4600norm This. It seems people often forget that even those arguing a lot can stand together against a common enemy. My nation, Poland, can be used as an example. Fractioned by the partitions in late 18th century, under occupation until 1918, disunited politicaly and economically, we've stood together against a common threat of the Bolshevik Russia in the Polish-Bolshevik war between 1919-1921 only to go back to squabling right after the war ended. We've even managed to assassinate our own president 5 days after he got elected in December 1922... And then had a coup in 1926. The situation continued into 1930s as well, but we still stood united against the Germans and Russians. And again went back to arguing after Germany capitulated and Communists took power... Another example would probably be the the Chinese Republic during the Communist revolution, when both Kuomintang and Communist parties fought against the Japanese invaders and then, later on, went back to fighting one another once WW2 ended. Common, external and most importantly strong enemy is a powerful tool in uniting even people who hate eachother with a passion. Even those who can't possibly cooperate under normal circumstances can and likely will stand together against an outside enemy if it's dangerous enough.
Thats where i think your wrong there's alot about Covenant resource that he missed like the elite invisibility The Brute strength not even just a butt how the elites all not all but most Elites we're all like assassins the elites are known for stealth they could have probably easily just snuck their way inside of a whatever the Star Wars ships haves and probably you know destroyer from the inside out that's just one example but it's a big difference because it's like I said there's just a lot of resource that he missed
The Empire: sir, we seem to be losing. Palpatine: what if I told you I could reactivate the clones and droid factories haven’t all been taken out? The Empire: I would ask how you could know such things. Palpatine: the benefits of being emperor is a pathway to many assets some consider to be unethical.
I do think you discount the possibility of the Covenant recruiting species in the star wars universe. That's probably not the kind of annalist that you were going for in this, however I think races such as the Twi'lek or the Wookies who have been historically used as slaves the most would almost jump at the chance to join an organized force against the Empire.
That's actually a good point but isn't it that the covenant would enforce their religion on those species? I mean, didn't they practically enslave the Unggoy? Because if so I doubt that those species would agree with such drastic changes.
I don't see how it would be different from the way that the Empire treats them. One of the laws of the Empire is that they can basically enslave any alien for any reason. So given that or the option of joining religious empire that only sorta enslaves it's races, to my knowledge only the Unggoy were completely enslaved because they thought they were to weak to be of any use. Besides after the fall of the Jedi the universe lost all it's faith in the force and a alien empire claiming that they bring salvation would bring hope to the masses. I think that would be a big draw to the down trodden of the galaxy
TheT7770ify The covenant are against Humans. A lot of aliens are allied with Humans, the Empire does enslave but they try to keep in on the low. No one, if any from the star wars universe would join the covenant due to this.
TheT7770ify I don't think that wookies would be a big threat to the empire cause many of them were wiped out and the twi'leks didn't have the numbers to fight even a stormtrooper legion
It's a nice thought, but only about 10% of slave species in the Star Wars Galaxy were enslaved by Empire in one form or another, most were enslaved by Hutts or other criminal cartels, and those were for the most part in favor of the Empire. And an outside, unknown alien race saying join use, believe in what we believe and we'll free won't have the affect you think. Also the Covenant most likely won't distinguish between the aliens and humans when the appear to work together and attack all of them.
I would argue that the benefit of having slipspace drives over hyperdrives is that they're not tied to the Hyperlane Network. Not only that but they're also faster to activate. Remember, hyperdrives need pre-designated coordinates in order to safely jump. Slipspace drives have no such constraint.
@@nocrtname Edit: I'm just adding this comment because I thought more about it. And you are correct about hyperdrive not having exactly that constraint. I can't remember which one, but there was an episode of the Clone Wars where Anakin Ahsoka and Rex had to save Aayla and they're hyperspace malfunctioned and sent them to a random planet. I would only ask that you be a little less hostile in the future.
Sir Doggo remember in halo wars 2 when the super carrier was glassing the Ark and cutting deep into the inner structure? Glassing the Death Star would do enormous damage depending on how many Covenant ships present
Sir Doggo Covenant glassing is so intense, it can destroy the atmosphere of a planet. That type of raw bombardment could easily disable the Death Star.
I think you missed a big factor in covenant boarding parties. They come in swarms during large fleet battles, in shielded ships designed to make their own airlock basically on impact. They either take over your sht or blow it up and leave. It's a deadly tactic and they use it all the time in the Halo universe. I don't know if it would push the number very far, but the covenant almost never fights in small numbers, so almost all of the fighting will be large fleet battles. The boarding parties take advantage of the chaos and are difficult to deal with once they get inside. I think a single covenant ship could deal with multiple star destroyers in this way. The problem would then be the discrepancy between Covenant fighters and Empire fighters. Weapons probably goes to Empire, Covie has shields, Tie Fighter is more maneuverable and in greater numbers. But I think a few boarding parties could get through, and it only takes one to deliver the bomb.
Argus Plexus The problem is boarding the ships. The was Imperial ships work makes it difficult. As the hanger is the best way to to it and star wars ships aline to stop it. Never mind point defense. However even boarding isn't going to stop them. The covenant religious nature renders understand the technology pointless while the Imperials would do the opposite.
Finally someone else thought of this, if this is the ship from halo 2 then there would be brutes and the average amount of brutes (and other units) could capture a ship, provided it doesnt have too much abnormal tech.
Would still need to take down shields first. We've repeatedly seen in the star wars universe that ships cannot pass through shields - Rescuing Palatine in III, impassable planetary shields in Rogue One... I'm sure there's plenty more examples but those two are just off the top of my head. Also, I'm not sure a boarding vessel would make it past all the auto-turrets, turbo-lasers, tie interceptors.....
Luke Freeman actually it's speed for shields in starwars. And it can't be too slow to get through a shield considering that the relative speed of a meteor was enough to go through a Star Destroyer's shielding. Boardings will be devastating against the Empire and Starwars Disney Canon and even legends canon makes it a lot easier to board a ship than logic dictates. But Empire still takes this due to Tie Fighters being better than void sealed Banshees and just tarpitting any Shades and then the resource differences.
@Félix Berbakow the grunts aren’t weak their as strong as the average human if not stronger seeing how the higher ranks are given the covenant equivalent of a rocket launcher and their taller then Japanese men their only considered weak and short next to a 7ft tall super soldier that carries over a ton of armor. Elites are still great leaders and tacticians and very few times I’ve seen that their arrogant has cost them an easy battle but imperial leader regularly lose to smaller weaker forces because of their arrogants. Brutes aren’t stupid their understanding of thermal and gravitational manipulation far surpasses the empires. And jackals are cowards but they still will fight and won’t runaway in battle not to mention as a sniper they are better then any human can hope to be. Also storm troopers aim sucks because their helmets limit the amount they can see not because of what you said. Not to mention the empire is really xenophobic while the covenant excepts all species except humans so they’d just get all the empires non human species to join to bluster their numbers. Edit: when I mentioned the helmet thing I’m talking about cannon all though I’m a legends fan I do not know the reason for it in legends. Also what about every other instance of them having bad aim when they weren’t on the Death Star.
I say the covenant could give the empire a run for its money, the forerunner dreadnought could beat back a small fleet of imperial ships by itself. Slipspace is slower than hyperspace but slipspace could pass through solid objects unlike hyperspace, so the covenant could launch a massive attack on kaut yards and kamino, they could bypass the outer defenses and attack the planet directly before fleeing the larger empire counter attack, that would cripple them in the long run and using pinpoint jumps they could stay outside of weapons range but still pommel them.
Yes this is all true, and i am for the covenant on this one. But the empire is huge and like eckharts said, if the covenant lose a ship, it is far more devastating to them, unlike the empire who can just build a new one in a day or so.
alphatrex612 not if they got industrial territories first. If I were a shipmaster I would destroy as many industrial planets as possible and have other fleets hit the training ground. The only problem are the force users without Palpatine and Vader they won't have as much tactical superiority. Imperial generals don't know how they operate. The covenant have tangled with humans before and since all sentient being in the galaxy act like humans they know how humans operate so technically they could predict the empires movements. Thats my opinion though.
You're being stupidly biased. Why couldn't the Empire do the same? "attack the drive yards" The empire has thousands and the Covenant has possibly less than 100. By what logic could 1 dreadnaugh block a Imperial fleet? XD Pure speculation. 1 Super ISD could do the same, it has 100× the fire power of any normal Covenant ships. The Empire has more capital ships than the Covenant has ships in general
Dank God -Carlo- Zamasu well the dreadnaught thing holding back a fleet could have something to do with the species that designed it, I mean the forerunners could literally wipe the entire galaxy of life with a turn of a digital key
Jared R except most industrial planets that the empire controlled had its own orbital defences, like for Kuat Drive yards they would have Golan MKIII battle stations (which I believe can blow up an ISD II without any issues), ground based turbolasers, planetary shield generators, and it's own small defence fleet. Also depending on which planet they hit it could have some very dangerous private defences. Like Kuat Drive Yards would have multiple Mandator II dreadnoughts. Corellia would have its own battleships and cruisers. Fondor had its own dedicated defence fleet. And if the Covenant decided to attack Mon Cala, even the rebels would show up to defend it.
Funny that no one mentions how much advantage slipspace give the covenant. Precise jumps are one thing, having the ability to go where you want is another. If, if the Empire did not have precise hyperspace routes plotted by earlier ships, their movement will be heavily limited, while the Covenant, as long as having the coordinates of certain planets, could easily mobilize and move out. Just imagine a Covenant Task Force jumping out of slipspace behind a squadron of Imperial-I destroyers. Imagine CAS carriers directly jumping inside the planet's atomsphere and start glassing the surface while the Imperial blockade at the other side struggle to move to intercept.
RaPtorteAm Yes and that will still be super ineffective as they are very far away from the empire. even if we move them closer while still keeping them in the Unknown regions, they are still very far away from any important planets and factories. A short jump takes months and the long jumps they would have to do to get to any important planet could take at least a year. This will give the empire planty of time to adapt and also to create hyperspace routes.
If the Covanent can figure out the hyper space lanes which shouldn't be that hard, they can literally just screen the lanes for traffic and hide out in a nearby system slipspace literally on top of the star destroyer(s), hit them with the energy projection beam and dip out leaving the star destroyers in ruin.
Team12 U.K mate i believe you are mistaken, for what i have read and seen, the slipspace is a lot slow than hyperspace, to the point that what the millenium falcon would cover in a day a covenant ship would do it in months.
Tristone. exe mate don´t be that kind of fan, first of all read about the lore of both halo and star wars, i am a star trek fan, but you truly are biased enormously.
Aren’t covenant ships coated in a material that neutralizes energy weapons? Also they have shields on top of that so a lot of the empires weapons wouldn’t work on the ships.
genius the covenant ships are extrmely vulnerable to energy weapons, and they are quite inferior to any SW tech, to make it simple a single sd would mop 24 carriers
@@PackHunter117 thats irrelevant, if you make a comparison of firepower, hull and shield resistance you knew that the covenant is way beneath the empire, i already made it, look in the other comments.
I was 100% for the galactic empire until you brought up the covenant’s slip space tech and their mobile homeworld. Although it is slower slip space lets the covs use their ships like submarines. They can appear out of nowhere inside defensive lines, glass a planet, and disappear to somewhere between the hyperspace lanes. If the imps can find them they would have to travel at sublight speed to get to them. Without hyperspace the cov ships can’t be caught. And while the imps might blast a few cov homeworlds they could not obliterate the covs without destroying high charity which could just jump away at will the same as the fleet. Next is the covenant ground army. While the empire is fond of enormous armored vehicles and masses of infantry the covenant seem to focus more on upgrading the aliens within its empire to take advantage of their natural abilities. Working together they can counter a variety of infantry and armor threats while being as mobile as infantry. In the air the empire would have the fighter advantage with their wide variety of specialized ships, however if the covs can jump a cruiser inside a planet’s atmosphere as air support the imps would have a rough time. Then there are the politics. The covenant’s religious zeal and unity mean they could suffer massive losses and sustain their morale, while the empire, held together by fear of their own military, would have to preserve an image of perfect order and power. If the covs fleet can appear over coruscant, do a bunch of damage, and leave before the defense fleet shows up that image will fall apart. Worse still for the empire would be if their planets/alien races joined the covs, contributing their tech and knowledge. The hutts would probably be the first to negotiate for powerful cov small arms in exchange for tech and spying the same as they did with the vong. The covs seem much more interested in taking advantage if different aliens’ unique characteristics, which in the empire seem limitless. Their adaptability would be a major edge over the empire’s uniformity and xenophobia. Finally there’ the rebellion. If the covs teamed up with the rebel alliance they would be unstoppable. Alliance fighters, capital ships, tech, and intel would cover all the weaknesses in the covenant military and boost their numbers significantly. More likely the rebels would see the covs as an enemy, but even then that would give the empire two fronts to fight at once. Even with 10-1 advantage over the covs in numbers the imps still have to keep a presence over their whole territory to beat down the rebels and may not be able to gather enough ships for expeditions to cov space. The covs on the other hand are pretty stable and can send a bigger portion of their fleet on the attack.
Okay the covenant would never align with rebels because of their human leaders, and slip-space is so slow cause they have to open the slip-space and then slowly fly into it all the while they're being shot at.
I think Long Night of Solace wins, by virtue of being several kilometers larger. We dont know how powerful energy projectors are compared to the superlaser on the Eclipse, but energy projectors are easily capable of destroying UNSC ships and even other covenant craft, and while I dont think theres any records of them breaking continents in half with them, they ARE used to glass planets by heating them so much the surface turns to glass.
I feel the covenant are being sold a little short. Yes in a straight up battle the empire would tank due to sheer numbers, and the covenant would die before surrendering but they weren't dumb, and even there a.i could proably realize guirrila warfare would be their best strategy. They are better equipped then the rebels and have way more numbers then they did, plus have a mobile city as there base, which I'd say would put the rebel main fleet to shame in terms of a mobile hq. plus unlike the rebels I feel the have the capacity to capture some world and hold them to gain some ability to produce more ships, and have the ability to take out key installations, bases, industrial complexes, or even planets threw teams of elites with cloaking and such, or simply glassing them from space. I just feel the covenant would realize they need to do guirrella warfare as admited their commanders and tactics where better and they have a better fighting force and capacity then the rebels.
Meme Supremacy you forget that high charity itself has ridiculous manufacturing capabilities. Think, a planet only has it's surface area to be used for manufacturing, digging down much, you'd run into the core and melt, high charity, you have it's VOLUME to work, in addition to covenant planet based factories, high charity can do a lot
If we have full covie capabilities, we'd also have Unyielding Hierophant, a massive space station with it's own large fleet. I feel if the covies are attacking, they have a better chance of fighting this war. If it isn't an all out brawl like proposed by EL, the empire-covenant would probably turn into a very long, drawn out and bloody affair, constantly pulling in more and more reasources from the rest of the empire. Do you think the covenant would be able to gather SW races to their banner? They have been shown to be quite diplomatic when it comes to Abby one other than the humans, with the majority if jackles being 'hired' rather than subjugated, for example. I could see them gathering allies of opprotunity, even if they don't intend to stay friends for ever.
You forgot one very important thing... Elites actually hit what they shoot at, and don't go down in one shot. Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the Covenant's propensity for using boarding craft... Great video, though! Keep it up!
90% of stormtrooper "deaths" aren't deaths their armor is actually effective but the impact of the blaster hits them so hard that they get hit unconscious
That's what I was thinking about. Once the Covenant get inside a star destroyer, it's going to be a blood bath. Literally sneak in a couple of stealth elites after an initial wave and those ships are in trouble.
Yeah maybe not the frigates and whatever but the mon calimary ships have redundant shielding and thick hulls so I imagine those are the main ships that can honestly probably easily win because of it. Unsc ships have good fire power but no shields so theyd honestly get destroyed in a few turbo laser shots, if the UNSC wins one battle it would have to be the same way they’d win against the covenant, 3 times their ships and with heavy loses
@@sutler12 dude I was joking I understand your point, I love halo but if someone one said who would win a jedi or an elite even though I prefer halo over star wars I'd still say the jedi would be victorious, I get it your just saying the facts and not opinions ( I wanted u to reply lol)
UR Wrong dude you are on every halo vs star wars video arguing, just shut the fuck up. All I see is 50 reply long chains, nobody cares. We watched the video to learn about it, not to watch you be an immature twat. And if you even try to say you are mature about it, let’s just move forward to you repeatedly calling people cunts because you think they are wrong. You can prove people wrong without being a complete asshole.
I think that between elites, brutes and hunters, the Stormtroopers are very outclassed. Stormtroopers are about as tough as jackals, and we already know the lasers do less then bullets against plasma sheilds, while plasma weapons would burn thru the Stormtroopers. And while Darth Vader is tough, against the arbiter and the 1 or 2 elite kill squads that would be deployed with him, Darth Vader would be outmatched. He just won't be able to compensate against that. Plus the plasma weapons on the ship's would be devastating to star destroyers, while the laser weapons might as well bounce off the plasma shielding. And once dropships breach the star destroyers and the ship's fill with troops, it turns basically into a ground battle. Once you put brutes and elites in that small space and give the troopers no space to run away, you hand the battle to the elites. I think each elite and brute would score at least ten kills, where as the Stormtroopers would be lucky to kill a shield jackal. When you fight with the covenant, all battles are ground battles. The empire actually has better chances on the ground, unless the covenant starts glassing the planet, which they are likely to do
dude both covies and the empire use plasma on pretty much the same level except in space where the covies use 1 big ass gun rather than a bunch of guns.
Thyre Radim no they don't use plasma. The guns are high powered lazers, the plasma is exclusive to lightsabers, to which the Emperor had a ban on except for him and Darth Vader.
Thyre Radim and covanant vessels use way more then one gun. They use the glass beam to bombard the planet, not other ships. And while all the empires vessels use lazer weaponry (which we know to be useless against shields) while the covanant pack plasma weapons for just about every weapon (which are excellent against sheilds) let me also remind you that the hottest plasma ever created by humans was hotter then the surface of the son by I think about 6 or 7 times, and the covanant are way more advanced. The plasma they use may well be and probably is given what we've seen much better then what we have ever made.
Thyre Radim as for my earlier statement: the covenant board big vessels all the time. Once you put elites, brutes, shuled jackals or even drones in that tight space with those puny Stormtroopers, you no longer have a space battle. You have a ground battle, which the covanant would usually win. The only thing is they have less ships and men. But otherwise, it's more even then you think. Even Vader or palaptine couldn't last against all that for very long, seeing as the only viable weapon would be the force. Seeing as I'm sure an elite would get a strike on him at some point, he would have to use his force power to sustain himself, leaving him in blade combat with an opponent twice his size and strength level, and much faster too.
+jordy plays games, nope the empire uses plasma excusivly like everyone else in star wars cause if they used lasers they would have a lot longer range, and they really only use 1 gun except on their massive ass ships of which their were few, and I know they can board easily but thats not my point my point is the empire uses plasma lmao and the force doesn't work on things from other galaxies.
There is one thing you have forgotten. The forerunner dreadnaught. That thing powers high charity with a minuscule fraction of its power. If the prophet of truth thinks it is necessary, he will use it. To put it in comparison, a single forerunner dreadnaught with no form of weaponry in the hands of the prophets gave the elites trouble. Now imagine one that is filled with weaponry. It could probably take on entire fleets with out much trouble. Although, I'd still say the empire would most likely win, the dreadnaught is more than enough to give the covenant an advantage.
Nathan Kingham but would they be willing to risk it? The dreadnought is one of, if not the most, important religious item to the Covenant short of the Halos, plus it's cultural and historical value, not to mention that it powers their holy city/capital, i doubt that they'd be willing to launch it even if High Charity were attacked directly unless, like in halo 2, the city itself had basically already been lost, and even then i doubt they'd use it offensively but more like an escape ship for the hierarchs and their honor guard, and considering i only think they'd launch it after losing HC, which likely means it's defense fleets as well, meaning a staggeringly huge portion of the empire's total population is gone along with their single largest naval force, and probably their highest ranking/skilled naval commanders, not to mention the blow to morale, they will have already long lost the war well before they ever even consider the dreadnought as a viable military option in my opinion.
NoctaliGamer it depends. Truth could have gone anywhere when high charity fell, but he chose to go to earth, where he knew the UNSC were waiting for him and SMACs. He could have waited to get a support fleet to follow the dreadnaught to make sure it was safe but he didn't. I think that in the most extreme case, like if high charity was targeted by the Death Star, it would be used. How? I don't know, but in this goal war scenario, we have to assume that the winner has to eradicate the loser, which means eradicating the dreadnaught, which isn't easy.
Eckharts: the sheer power and intelligence of Emporer Palpatinte Also empire: is divided into splinter factions and is scarcely populated due to teddy bears
Pretty sure the covenant had a larger fleet then what you estimated, especially because the limited technology for rendering the fleets in the video games. But halos lore does state that the covenant had a very large fleet
This is exactly what I was thinking also he doesn’t account for the fact there would be at minimum 5-10 CSO there’s no way you don’t have your most powerful ship around your most important asset not to mention the fleet Thels fleet was unbeatable and Xar the 8ft tall elite that was super powerful not only never lost but his ship was a special CSO and had a large amount of ships just protecting the outstretched regions it’s my believe that the covenant has a chance and could use tactics to win more than what Ecks is thinking
@@FLMKane I'm sorry but where did you get the "millions of ships"? Because last time I checked the Empire had only 25,000 Star Destroyers fielded at the height of their power
I’d look at Reach for a great example. The Covenant manage to deploy recon units behind enemy lines, managed to make a breach point for the rest of the fleet to arrive and deploy the rest of the troops.
True. But then you also have incidents like the battle for Earth where Regret jumped to a random planet controlled by the humans and didn't realize he had made it to the human capital until it was too late.
also "Brute ships! Staggered line. Shipmaster! They outnumber us, three-to-one!" "Then it is an even fight. All cruisers fire at will. Burn their mongrel hides." - Shadow of Intent crewmember Sangheili Major, and Shipmaster Rtas 'Vadum.
Emp United and when he said that, it was against the same class of ships and was heavily outnumbered and outgunned. Yet he won. And also the fact that the empire can barely afford to have 2 star destroyers to defend Scariff. Covies could pick off small defence fleets and get like an 10 sd kills per CCS in this way.
Hoo- Dini The rebellion wasn't of any concern for the empire at that point. Trakin purely believed even stealing the plans was of no point (he was right as without force powers nothing the rebellion did woyld have stopped the death star). Thats why the Director had to get Vader as he was the only person who could help that wasn't under trakins command at that point.
Emp United but then again, in empire strikes back, Vader only mustered a fleet of a few dozen star destroyers. I would think he would bring as many as he could to really entrap the rebels, and not make the fleet too thin as was in the battle of Hoth. Also, if the empire and the covies had the same amount of shielding, the covies would totally wreck the empire in almost every battle as only 2 plasma torpedoes is needed to penetrate the shields of a CCS, and the CCS had at least 6 torpedo turrets. These torpedoes have been said to be so powerful, they have can vaporize a ship in a single volley. So the point is that covie torpedoes can eliminate a star destroyer, or at least it's shields in a single volley while a star destroyer may take a few minutes to take down the shields of a of covenant counterpart (basically the CCS).
I don't disagree with your outcome because of the numbers and the Force. I do however think your really under selling the Covenant tech. The shields of Covenant ships are shown to be able to tank massive damage and their weapons simply don't miss (directed energy beams and relentless homing\guided plasma).
While numbers do give a huge advantage. Let's not forget the covenant also have disposable units in the form of the Grunts. If I remember correctly they breed pretty fast and grow into adults in a short amount of time.
guys the force can't directly affect things from other galaxies and the empire would have to give up half their territory to have just 6 isd's per system cause they usually only have 2 isd's per system like scarif seriously they ONLY had 2 isd's.
They only had 2 at scarif because that planet was highly classified and hidden the whole point of it was to not draw attention to it. Plus there was a planetary shield that blocked anything from going in so they didn't exactly need a huge fleet.
lmao they did need a huge fleet and they wouldn't draw huge attention to it and if they did so what lmao and still the point is they can't muster enough strength per planet to stop a covie invasion like seriously when has the empire ever had 2k ships in a single battle? FUCKING NEVER, and the reason why scarif was shittely defended is because they had no absolutely no anti fighter weapons on isd's and the covies anti fighter weapons are far more accurate and the projectiles move faster than turbolasers and they are more deadly than a turbolaser.
@@sutler12 atriox is so much stronger than vader if he got one hit in vader would literally die instantly this is the same man who beat spartan 2s senseless and spared their lives
@@ninedivines5374 Vader destroyed lyleks in ryloth as if they were made of paper, get your facts straight, Vader would mop Atriox and he wouldnt even know wtf happened.
The thing is we’ve seen before that a single Jedi or Sith, wielding both the force but also their lightsaber, can take down an entire ship once they are on it. I think that a small contingent of elites (say a dozen) with energy swords and plasma rifles, could easily cut through an ISD once they are on board. Also the Covenant could just slip space jump from world to world, and just glass everything( Interdictors would have no effect because slipspace is a different dimension)
Not really. look at order 66. Nearly all jedi were killed by getting corned and surrounded. Only the most skilled jedi were able to survive such a situation.
@@johnleeka3282 yes but still, we've seen that happen in the past, an Elite strike team would be a real pain for an ISD, all they have to do is board the ship. The problem is merely a matter of numbers, no matter how many victories, the Covenant just isn't big enough to bring the Empire to heel, they could maybe create a stalemate if they play their cards well.
@@edvard8449 yea but jedi have the Force to sense the enemies and their intentions. The second the covenant strike team will get discovered they are dead. A ISD has 10k stormtroopers on board
Really, that wouldn't be a fair comparison I'm sure we know. The question is how Imperial sharpshooters would compare to Jackal snipers, and how Stormtroopers and/or Imperial Army would compare to likely the only Covenant troop to even come close to matching them in numbers, Grunts.
I think a key tactical point in your breakdown is missing. The Covenant inhabit the Milky Way Galaxy and the Empire inhabits another galaxy, far, far away. Neither side is intergalactic travel capable, so, for the sake of argument, let's say a stable wormhole is discovered connecting the 2 galaxies. This balances out the resources argument because of the bottleneck effect. Now, if the Covenant invade the Empire, it is in their best interest to align with the Rebellion once they recognize the scale the Empire exists on. If the Empire invades Covenant space, they automatically have a major disadvantage because of the lack of mapped hyperspace lanes in the Milky Way. A wormhole bridge not only makes the conflict more plausible, it levels the playing field.
You forget the fact the high chairs defense fleet was more than a thousand, considering more sources say it had a lot more than 900, I'm going to say your guess was wrong
Ray Yancey yeah that's a big piece of info for this battle not there. Thousands of more ships... and also don't forget about the unyielding hierophant fleet which had 500+ capital ships too. Found in Halo: First Strike.
EckhartsLadder Halo nation, halo wikia. Its stated that it numbers in the thousands Also in Halo first strike its said it has hundreds of CAPITAL ships, not just cruisers.
@@sutler12 Proof for that statement? Edit: also, (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm pretty sure that UNSC capital ships didn't have energy shields in the Human-Covenant war - I'm assuming you're talking about that and not after - and thtt the only uNSC ship with energy shields at the time was the Sabre
@@canichangemyname1877 read the more than 100 comments where i have used specific novels from both universes to back up my claims. p.s: if youa re going to demand proves in a comment not directed to you, you fucking better know the lore on both universes from a to z (its rethorical it is obvious you do not)
@@sutler12 You keep forgetting actually movie and show canon for star wars were the empire was defeated by an unorganized rebellion and primitive races, as well as most recent versions of stormtroopers can't hit a can a couple of feet away.
I think the Covenant stand a significantly better chance (I'd even argue they have an advantage) than the video lets on, although there was no way Eck could have known some of this information at the time he made this. 1. Star Wars is very heavily inspired by WWII, which means that pretty much all SW commanders (even the very highly skilled ones like Thrawn) are stuck using extremely outdated tactics that resemble WWII naval battles more than what actual space combat might look like. Halo, being a bit more grounded in realism (even Eck agrees on this), is far more three-dimensional than Star Wars. He says in the video that Imperial tactics are on a lower level, although he doesn't emphasize the degree to which this is true as much as I would. Covvie ships could quite easily and consistently outmaneuver and take down Star Destroyers using SW's ineptitude at three-dimensional combat to their advantage. 2. Imperial advance into Covenant territory would be extremely, extremely slow. For one, Covenant space would be completely uncharted to the GE and thus hyperspace wouldn't really be viable until specific routes are mapped out. Winning ground battles would also be extremely difficult, as Imperial ground tactics tend to be just as s#!t as their tactics in space. Dispersion is a lot lower in Star Wars making them extremely vulnerable to explosives, Stormtroopers usually don't bother taking cover all that much, the Covenant have a large edge in artillery and long-range weapons, and handheld explosives tend to be a lot more common in Halo. The GE still has an upper hand overall due to sheer numbers, but it buys the Covenant time. This is extremely important as 3. As we found out in trailers for Halo 6, the Banished (which supposedly control a significantly smaller area of space than the Covenant) are capable of repairing a Halo ring and restoring it to full operational capacity. Keep in mind, just SEVEN of these rings were able to near-completely wipe out all biological life in the entire Milky Way. A single Halo would easily be enough to turn the tide of war as HUGE swaths of Imperial territory are entirely cleansed of life. The only question is, would the Covenant be able to last long enough to do this? It's hard to say. Even if we assume the Banished started working on repairing the Halo ring IMMEDIATELY after they were founded in 2548, that's only twelve years until it's nearing completion in 2560. Given how slow the GE would be advancing through Covenant territory, I think that should be just enough time assuming they keep the project hidden enough.
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EckhartsLadder .solid snake and grey fox vs scarif garrison. Then steal the Death Star plans. Possible Vader intervention.
Can you do mass effect geth vs Original Star Wars Droids
EckhartsLadder anubis invasion of fleet from stargate vs UNSC earth home fleet
EckhartsLadder you could let the patrons vote from a selection of video ideas
The Empire fleet at Endor vs the Covenant Fleet of Retribution.
The UNSC Infinity vs Bellator class star dreadnought.
Munificent-class star frigate vs Acclamator-class assault ship.
Vader: "They keep sending in grunts."
Covenant: "Send in more grunts."
Eddie Hardt Not sure why, but this made me laugh.
Rulingmoss 55 you wont be laughing when yapyap the destroyer shows up
joshcogaming lmao
Why did this make me laugh
I dunno, grunts are nasty little buggers that breed like guppies and use fuel rod guns. And Jackals are anti-infantry what with their needle weapons, shields, carbines, and beam rifles. Lets not forget the fucking skirmishers.
Elite: Shipmaster! They outnumber us 10 to 1!.
Shipmaster: Then it is an even fight.
Bridge officer: They outnumber us 1,000 to 1
Thrawn: apparently we have a walk down the park.
@@sutler12 Literally you are commenting on every fucking comment thats against Star wars.
Sit the fuck down. Because you prefer Star wars doesnt mean EVERYBODY GONNA LOVE STAR WARS.
Orlando Carvill don’t wait to attack, 5 more minutes and all the grunts have doubled
"Indeed"
@@Theproclaimed "They're just... blowing themselves up."
Just sneak a Jackal Sniper onto a ship/station and then set the difficulty to Legendary. He'll clear it out in approximately 20 nanoseconds.
Yes😂😂😂😂
Yeah he'll just nail every person on the ship in one shot
Jackel: *your lightsabers are no match for the power of aimbot*
😂😂😂😂 yep
I’m fucking dying😂😂😂 this is so true
"You were right to focus your attention on the empire. But this demon, this Lord Vader..."
Your comment deserves way more likes.
Elite who survived Vader encounter: *”Stupid black masked geezer has OP super senses or something and MAGIC! He also has ripped off our swords as well and he sounds like a robot or something.”*
@@vindictivegrind9370 *sigh* "glass the demon, not even it can survive our righteous fury"
By the time I realized the Demon's intent, it was too late.
@@vindictivegrind9370 Lightsaber ripping off plasma swords ?
I would like to know your mental state.
Covenant- "KEEP FIRING AND MOVE LAZILY TO THE LEFT"
Empire- "Wow, these guys knows some maneuvers"
@Kale Wilkie I know right?
My biggest issue with this is that he used both Legends and Canon info for the Imperials, but that is not my only issue, he didn't look fully over Troops, Armor, Weapons, Vehicles, etc. and the enemies that both the Imperials and the Covenant have faced. That's just my thoughts however.
@@eggstertheegg7736 Then again if you did mention all of them, even low balling it would be enough to supply a small army for each if each person was given only (insert thing here)
@@m3tr0id86 I'm just saying that going over everything would probably give a more accurate verdict and may make it easier for people to understand.
@@eggstertheegg7736 True and there are some fun ones too. However that would be a really big ass video. Which is a damn shame, because like I said there are some really fun weapons, ships, armor, ect.
The Empire: *Sends 1 million troopers*
Jackal Sniper: Fools...you are walking into your own grave.
Helmy Suliman lol
@@elijahhhhorriz Since Stormtroopers are not that bright and pale in intelligence compared to ODST and Able Squad ARC Troopers
How could the Covenants incompetent army stand up to the might of our Galactic Empire
redfoxboss you dare oppose our Empire
Just saying, throw in a suicide grunt and down goes the Death Star.
Empire: we are unstoppable!!!!
Jackal Sniper from halo 2: hold my beam rifle
Doesn't he need the Beam Rifle to be useful
@@Imperialstorm03
He's gonna get him with his plasma pistol
more like "pass me my beam rifle"
I had never played Halo 2 before and just yesterday i did and oh duck did i understand the memez the hard way
Piplup Master Lol have you played on legendary? Those things are crazy
“Vote in the upper right corner” AH YES THANK YOU UA-cam FOR REMOVING VOTING
It’s so depressing
THEY REMOVED VOTING TOO? shit youtube doesnt allow anything fun
@@icyr0bin-794 ain’t that the damn truth
@@icyr0bin-794 removed voting, removed easy control of quality, Removed captions selection (now it’s only able to be auto generated in the language of the video, none other) Removed the ability for people to assist in caption making
@@emilyashen4643 the captions part is probably what pisses me off the most lol but yeah youtube is determined to make their platform as shit as possible
99% of the comments involve jackle snipers 😂
starwars win noobs shut up all
@@Jimmy19382 how about no
@@somegeek153 💀 wow bro thanks for the mathimaticly proven facts
@@mobilegaminguniversalstudi9924 your welcome.
Them jackcles tho
Master chief: so what do you do?
Luke: well I lift rocks with my mind
masterchief: you want a medal? i can break that rock with my little finger whilst falling from space and taking on the covenant and forerunners by myself
*heresy*
@@t1tanfallpr025 Luke can use the force to break the bones of Masterchief.
@@scottstanickyj1686 Luke was bitching about pulling an X-Wing out of a swamp and gave up on Yodas teachings often. Master Chief pushed himself to his limits and beyond to get the job done. Id also like to see Luke survive an orbital insertion with little to no protection
@@Justin-LaFleur Luke still could just break the bones of chief using the force , and don't you dare call me a fanboy, I like both star wars and halo
death star vs high charity, the death star charges its laser, high charity cheers for the beginning of the great journey
PsychoLucario halo rings: *Laughs in forerunner*
so, the covenant was the real winners
Is it really losing if they get what they want?
Also the covenant has glassing
LMAO
Just imagine Vader vs a horde of Elites, Brutes, and Hunters would be sick.
That brute gonna fucking die
Vader could pick all of them up and force choke 😂
vader whould slice them in half hahaha
Vader would get clapped
Arbiter >Vader
Shipmaster: we should send in recon ships to-
Jackal sniper: done
Shipmaster: how di- what do you mean “done”
Jackal Sniper: I destroyed the galactic empire
Shipmaster: we haven’t even started our attack yet
Jackal: yes I understand this
The most underrated comment here.
Scott Fackrell
Nobody asked for me to say r/murderedbywords
Aids.
True shit about dem jackals
Shipmaster: WERE EVEN ARE YOU?
Sniper Jackel: We flew some ships to mars and sniped them.
Shipmaster: HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THESE THINGS?
Sniper jackal: We don’t know to be honest.
I dunno , the empire got defeated by two pink balls , while the covenant got assimilated by pop corn
Virtual Fun lmao
This is true. Although, one is a devastating disease that originated from literal gods, and one is a weapon used by literal Jesus Christ who has telepathy. Hmmmmm....
BIG QUAZZ i find your use of literal disturbing
It didn't originate from them, it is them
Aman Th3_WAV originate is literally the most appropriate term for that, the flood are a completely separate entity now, that ORIGINATED ( came from/ was created from) from the precursers
When we joined the Covenant, we took an Oath...
"According to our station, all without exception!"
"On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons, we swore to uphold the Covenant!"
"Even to our dying breath!"
"Those who break this Oath are heretics, worthy of neither pitty nor mercy, even now, they use our lords' creation, to broadcast their lies..."
"We shall Grind them into dust!"
"And continue our march to glorious salvation!"
This armor suits you, but it cannot hide that mark.
Nothing ever will.
You are the Arbiter, the will of the Prophets, but these are *my* Elites. Their lives matter to me, yours does not.
That makes two of us.
"There is no doubt the storm will strike the facility." "We'll be long gone before it arrives."
I read all this shit exactly as i remember this scene
“THAT IS THE ORRACLE” “Indeed it is”
@@gravemind3590 Warriors, prepare for combat!
8:52 "The covenant also most likely fight at longer ranges..."
Jackal Sniper: "Hoohoo, yeaaah booi! Here we go!"
The Covenant has Sniper Jackals. Therefore they win 11/10 times on legendary difficulty....
Austin Cole sniper jackass one shots me everytime
Only if the empire plays halo 2 haha
Darth Vader that's all I'm gonna say
Sniper jackals you say... 11/10 you say?... Sounds legit
play halo 2 on legendary and you would be able to relate the pain a sniper jackal can cause
"Imperial ships, staggered line. Shipmaster, they outnumber us 1,000-1!"
"Then it is an even fight."
"covenant forces, they outnumber us 10,000 to 1"
Thrawn: order formation, this religious fools will remember the day they met the empire.
@@sutler12 *ABRUPT BLASPHEMY INTENSIFIES*
@@MasonForge indeed believing the covenant has the slightest chance of winning a war against an enemy 50,000 times larger and tech superior when they couldnt defeat in 30 years a 40 times smaller enemy and tech inferior yeah it is a big abrupt blasphemy.
@@sutler12 I see through the lies of the Jedi
@@MasonForge more like the lies of the propeths ;)
galactic empire: we got vader and death stars
forerunners: hold my ring...
the death stars are not the most powerful weapons of the empire
@@tdkom he never said it was
Good thing forerunners aren't covenant
Except for the fact that Covenant do have forerunner stuff because Covenant religion is based off of the Forerunner's existence.
@@commanderblargh6300 have but couldn't use
Empire with AT-ATs and AT-STs: We have you surrounded
A few Zealots and a Scarab: All I am surrounded by is fear. And Dead men
*Activates active camo*
Field marshals*
Not want to be that guy, but the AT-STs could just takedown a Scarab by firign at its legs
@@alejandroelluxray5298 i think you hadn't seen the protection into theirs legs
@@unbentljar7313 the one you could pierce with infantry rocket launchers?
@@alejandroelluxray5298 nop, the scarab have a giant shield that protect him, also the scarab could kill the infantry in a moment
I would love to see a ... diplomatic meeting... between the Emperor and the High Prophets. Who can chew the scenery harder?
it would actually be amazing given the power of palpatine it surely would end with the prophets bending the knee
Rory Scott
I would pay to see that!
The Empire is mostly humans who are reclaimers so an alliance would never happen
Orlando Carvill yeah no. The empire can build many planet destroying weapons but the covenant has many of them, with smaller ones used on ships. If a covenant cruiser tried to glass a Death Star I believe they’d do so successfully
@@II-df6dw Carvill appears to be talking about Palpatine's power in force in a face to face meeting
Halo 3 covenant... Nah
Halo 2 legendary covenant, a jackal sniper can take out a third of the empire by themself
halo reach elites : oh god oh fuck oh my fucking god
@@adamdesouza6153 bruh reach elites keep me awake at night
halo reach covenant + halo 2 jackals + halo 4/5 brutes
@@facepalm7345 halo 4/5 brutes? bruh have you been smoking something
@@adamdesouza6153 yes
Storm troopers always miss...jackal sniper never miss
covenant miss for 30 years
@@sutler12 Dude. Seriously, chill. We get it that you like the Empire, that doesn't mean you have to go through every single comment in the comment section that goes against the Empire and with the Covenant. There are Halo fans too
@@coletrain8494 well thats the difference halolite i am 100% objective you want me to be condescendent with the fanboys like you, well thats never going to happen.
@@sutler12 I may be a fanboy, but you have proven yourself a star wars fanboy several times over so far
@@sutler12 And also, "condescendent"?
Empire: "We have trillions of stormtroopers. what do you got."
Sangheili Shipmaster: "Want me to time you or......"
Legendary Jackel Sniper: "Nah, no point."
In a galaxy far far away, all you hear is the sound of beam rifle shots going off and the sounds of Death Stars somehow blowing up from that
I thought they had like, 2 million stormtroopers?
@@leon-efl3730 2 million both death star had a millon
True
I don't get this joke, are sniper jackels actually this powerful or what? xD
Storm troopers: missing every shot
Grunts: Am I a joke to you?
Yes!
chunko bunko plot armor. They’re actually quite accurate according to the lore
They’re actually pretty accurate to be honest.
The only reason Grunts ever miss is because their weapons aren't hitscan and the player moves.
Suicide Grunts: GIVE ME A HUG TROOPS
Darth Vader: we got 2 meat balls and a bunch of blind soldiers
The profits: We have some popcorn makers and some dudes with laser that can snipe you in 5 nanoseconds
Popcorn?
@@tonythegreat4275 It is a joke about the covenant's classing beam
@Casey Hurrell ikr
You forgot MIGHTY MEATBALLS and a half
Prophets
Plot twist: the Covenant release Flood spores onto the Death Star.
Just saw your video about Star Wars surviving the Flood. -added to watch next-
What about the Covenant vs Blackwing or Rakghoul plague.
DevPitcher Flood would win they’re extremely OP in the Halo universe
How could I have known the parasite would follow undoubtably this is the heretics doing
Flood consume literally every technological and Biological entity that they can. Ships, gone. Soldiers, gone. Civilians, gone. Yuuzan Von, gone a hundred times over.
The empire would've lost to the flood seeing as even a single air spore can wipe out an entire species
Empire with ships: Look at these little banshees. Wait why is boss music playing looks up.
Long Night of Solace: *Glassing time*
Slipspace rupture detected
The Empire glasses planets too.
@@ericstaples7220 Unless they use a super weapon, it takes them a while, just like with the Covenant. And with the Empire, it’s more of a planetary bombardment than a glassing.
@@decimation9780 It's the same thing.
@@ericstaples7220 I agree. Orbital bombardment is almost the same as plasma based bombardment.
Send in Halo 2 Jackal sniper, Halo: Reach Elites, and that’s a Dub
Matthew Molina And Halo 2 Brutes
Maybe HCE Goldies.
Honestly thank you for validating my chronic fear of halo reach elites. Every time I see a picture of an ultra I enter flight or fight
Paradoxical Nightmare there was no justification for getting 2 shot by a concussion rifle. Yet it happened anyways.
send Darth Vader and Palpapenis to do all the work, Nuff said
A one powerful man once said “quantity is a quality of its own”
did said man happen to have a kill count of around 20 million per chance?
@@gabrielherman8229 funny big mustache man never actually said that. Probably thought it, but never said it.
Ah yes the funny Georgian, Josef Stalin
The Covenant stand a chance because not everyone loves the Empire. Being multi-species it is appealing to help the Covenant even if you dont believe in the religion. Jackals fight because their world profits from the war so others could see it logical to join.
@@phx24 funny enough the covenant could outnumber the empire in a short amount of time if they take other species from the Star wars Galaxy. I think they outnumber the humans right?
@@phx24 maybe? 50/50?
@@phx24 what are you looking at?! I don't know if a plasma pistol shot could annihilate or completely bounce off stormtrooper armor?!
guilty xiphos 120 it can it was shown in the halo comics the plasma pistol ripped through thick titanium like a hot knife against butter
@@ironmenace8883 ok sorry i know barely anything about Halo besides from what I seen in the games and some of the books. Same with star wars movies tv and it's games.
Love how you list all of the Empires strength's, and then it's like "Yea they were defeated by the rag tag rebels, but that doesn't count".
To be fair, defeated by rag tag rebels with rough tech parity. The covenant were defeated by humans who didn't even have a grasp of energy weapons yet.
@@TheChiconspiracy Come on, rough tech parity? Would you say that the Ewoks were equally advanced? In all seriousness you are right in the sense that there was not alot of difference from foot soldier to foot soldier, but the empire had tons of advanced soldier types, as well as vastly superior vehicles on the ground, all though the I think the X-Wing performes better than the Tie Fighter. The UNSC would have lost to the Covenant, if it wasn't for other variables and there own religious pious nonsense. The UNSC didn't beat them either, and they would have been consumed if it was not for the shipmaster, who I might add had complete Technical parity with the covenant :).
@@TheChiconspiracy The reason the humans won was because the covenant was torn up by a civil war which left the elites and a lot of hunters to join the humans.
@@angushunt204 A rebel soldier's blaster was just as good if not superior to his imperial counterpart. The covenant weapons in lore are FAR better than their human counterparts. And the Empire only lost due to some serious force-buggery giving certain individuals absurd character shields, so it's not that different.
@@TheChiconspiracy I don't think there is any proof to say that the rebel weapons were as good as a Stormtrooper E-11 blaster, let alone superior. I cannot recall any engagement where the rebels outclassed the stormtroopers in a Skirmish, yet the empire annihilated the rebels on the Tantive IV, and completely outclassed them on Hoth. The Rebels only had a superior fighter, and that's about it, except for having a far greater motivation for waging war.
The empire sent their best legion of storm troopers to endor didn’t they? and didn’t they get smacked around by hamsters throwing rocks
Lmao
They didn't knew the terrain and the ewoks are capable of taking down even the biggest of the predators of their home moon, I will not underestimared if I was you
Alejandro Hernández. Irrelevant. They had rocks. Empire is thousands of years ahead in technology. LAZERS and armoured Vehicles. end of story
@@alejandroelluxray5298 Why not they were stationed for some time there. And even then they could have just bombarded the shit out of the forest vietnam style with TIE fighters and vehicles. Instead they scattered and chased the ewoks. Not smart.
So basically the vietnam war in the star wats universe
Whole fleet of Storm Troopers: *Shoot and miss*
Jackal Sniper: “Hold my beer.”
Moa Burger*
Storm troopers are actually a really good aim
More like RAHGARAHG
2 million storm troopers: Miss
Legendary jackal snipers: hold my PIRATED beer
@Jackerson117 true
Press RB to flip warthog.
You can’t make me
Press RB to flip ... wait what? How did you do that?
Jedigauvin dammit! Beat me to it! 😠
Darth Vader wait... RB?
It’s X for me
I think an under represented strength here is I believe slip space drives are not limited in the same way hyperspace lanes are. It may not completely flip the result but the covenants ability to ignore that limitation and interdictions fields means while slower they are arguably more mobile than the empire.
I would love to watch Elites with energy swords fight sith or jedis it would be such a cool fight to watch.
they would get destroyed beforehand by the same troopers people claim can't aim when in reality they probably have better aim than the american sniper
@@Soft__lemons Nah, Elites are good soldiers they would be better trained then Stormies. Clone would prolly be superior in range but in melee the Elites would terror them apart. Also elites have shields and cloaking so they have pretty strong edge.
Christopher Vasilakos clones aren’t involved. If they were, their training would be immensely superior. Storm troopers don’t need to match the physical capabilities of elites when they have superior equipment and weaponry. Their training is probably better but they’re weaker in terms of physical strength but make up for that in marksmanship and also their superior armor that would render covenant weapons useless. Also a shield only blocks a blast, you still have to account for the kinetic energy hitting elite shields that would probably break a few bones if the elites take more than 3 hits. It isn’t a war with close ranged weapons, it’s a war of technology and the empire succeeds in that field.
@@Soft__lemons eh plasma would burn right through the plastoid, so would crystals from the needlers all the shit the Elites use burn through Spartan Armor if it doesn't have shields. Stormtroopers have cheap plastoid and the quality varies im sorry but in a single pitched battle the elites would decimate the stormtrooper, we also even had take the mentality into mind not every stormtrooper is a fanatic zealot compared to Elites. Morale would be a main thing the elites would probably cloak themselves before battle and get as close to the stormtroopers as possible and just shred them in cqc i doubt the empire has anything to counter active camo atleast what ive seen.
Christopher Vasilakos they do, most imperial artillery or weaponry is equipped to view heat signatures and would be able to fire at them. The armor used by Spartans is mostly metals such as titanium. The armor used by stormtroopers is far beyond that. It isn’t as durable but against plasma, it works amazingly. Also all vehicles and artillery used by stormtroopers would decimate covenant forces. Also you must remember you can’t base your argument solely off of elites when they aren’t the entire military. But even if they were, they’re inferior technology, equipment and weaponry just wouldn’t help them at all. They would have to follow the footsteps of the rebels and use guerrilla tactics in order to stand a chance but even the rebels had more advanced weaponry, equipment and numbers. The only thing i can agree on you with is the mindset but the stormtroopers will only be intimidated by the looks of the elites. Once they start massacring them, they’re morale will rise. Also stormtroopers have strong national pride so they won’t run from the enemy and they’ll face them head on- from a distance. The elites don’t stand a chance, i apologize.
"The Empire beats The Covenant 9 times out of 10..."
The Arbiter - Were it so easy.
*Covenant Glasses Deathstar*
Actually Death Star blows high charity.
@@sutler12 I've read thru alot of comments and ur such a star wars fan boy, u can't take a joke u have been fan boying for around 2 years chill out and take a joke
@@ksbullet1677 coming from someone that doesnt even understand the meaning of FANBOY its like just an empty comment, try again dude, and chill out.
@@sutler12 holy shit dude the fact u responded literally proves how much of a loser u are in life gl in ur life if u can't learn and move on, u can keep replying but it'll be pointless Hf
Orlando Carvill why do you defend Star Wars so much? We’re you dropped on your head as a child?
Yes the Empire is large, no that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to defeat. The Rebels Managed to do the job almost comically easily. Now if we are being honest they took advantage of operation Cinder. All they had to do was kill Palpatine and the Empire was DESIGNED to self destruct. In a matchup between these two factions, The Empire has to locate and eliminate the Hierarchs.....The Covenant has to locate and eliminate Palpatine.
Thing is even the rebels could field thousands of ships. With 17 hundred being capital ships. The covenant just don't have the number to win. Eliminating Palpatine in this case won't even help them because they will still lose before operation cinder can go into effect and that assumes Vader doesn't prevent operation cinder from ever happening
@@saber5694 plus if we switch out the rebels with the covenant on the battle of Endor, the coveant meant could do the job way faster scene as how covenant ground troops would undoubtedly stomp any imperial ground troops
Well i dont think killing palpati would be easy all the thing that will happen is that palpy will revive again and again and again as long as lord vader is still alive glory to the empire!
Good luck killing the guy who can lifewipe worlds and just not die when he doesn't feel like it.
@@johnleeka3282 no. they can't
Admiral Thrawn would study the hell out of them
Jayden the void gamer yes.
Random user 101 Star Wars Rebels.
Mr Re I don’t think rebels is cannon anymore
I might be wrong though
Caleb Scarborough why would it not be canon anymore?
Nah man the covenant have Yapyap the destroyer
Doctor Pepsi what is the point of posting stupid shit like this
Keylan Jenkins because this shit is Halo comedy, get your shitty Star Wars to fuck off.
Doctor Pepsi Yap Yap is part of the banished, not the covenant.
Keylan jenkins To give players a sense of pride and accomplishment
It’s been 4 months and this shit is still going on.
Or just pack up and ship the empire a nice flood infested high charity
damn straight, lets see shitface vader try to force choke pure forms XD
@@t1tanfallpr025 he wouldn't force choke them
@@t1tanfallpr025 he's just slice them
@@t1tanfallpr025 even if he did we would realise it isn't working
Infect flood with black wing virus ultimate no u
The empire:falls to the covenant
Darth jar jar and his army of gonks:I’ll do it myself
Me-sa gonna do it myself.
Fine, I'll do it myself
Ha so funny 😐
@@noahdavid2268Ik right😂😂😂
Everyone is talking about Legendary Sniper Jackels...You know, Legendary Grunts with Fuel Rod Cannon is pretty insane too!
you know those beings called sith, and those brilliant minds called Chiss, yeah there really is life outside halo.
Dude you are insane do you spend all day everyday looking for people to diss on there comments? My dude kellen you are right those grunts are op af.
@@brisketea2438 imagine call me insane and claiming i spend all day in comments when you are the one projecting your own insecurities and claiming bullshit things to support them?
and no he is wrong, just as you are deluded.
OWNED
@@sutler12 nope. He was stating a fact, you ARE constantly checking the comment section. And further proves how pathetic you are. Any further reply's to this comment proves my point.
*OWNED*
casual hamburger Damn you shut him up quick. 👏
The empire is no match for the great journey. Their heresy will stay their feet.
Burn the Heretics
Aye
_laughs in Base Delta Zero_
BURN THEIR MONGREL HIDES
Not until the Covenant breaks under the Imperial boot
Unlike the Storm troopers, the grunts when they shoot their projectiles they actually HIT their targets.
ironic the covenant didnt hit their targets in 30 years
@Conan R the covenant lost because of religious nut.
@@sutler12 the Covenant lost because of the most dangerous person to ever live teaming up with the most dangerous alien to ever live with the best planning and an amazing fleet for basically being rebels after their whole species gets kicked out of the Covenant. And you think that they lost because of their leader with no outside interference? Either way the prophets knew what the Halo rings would do but they kept up the act so technically the prophets aren't the religious ones
@@Plooooof wrong, according to halo lore the covenant had the only living being that was never wrong, you didnt even knew that fanboy, also the prophets were crazy you idiot, and the flood only came at the last two months of war, also the schism thinking that in 2 months those two things brought the covenant down its evidence of how an ignorant imbecile you are.
*coughneedlerguncough*
The Covenant could easily induct hundreds of outer rim alien races who have been oppressed by the Empire. Hell, Thel Vadam could strike a deal with Jabba the Hutt for use of Hutt Space.
That actually wouldn't work very well. Not only are the Hutts insanely arrogant, but they're smart enough to realize that the Covenant wouldn't tolerate their criminal activities. The Hutts have alway had a "live and let live" relationship with whoever rules the galaxy, because it's not worth it to try destroy them. The Covenant wouldn't be like that, so the Hutts wouldn't help them.
It would also be impossible to convince them to convert. The Hutt's used to worship the moons of their original homeworld, even after they achieved space flight. Then their sun exploded. They escaped, but the moons didn't. The Hutts interpreted this as them surpassing their gods.
Yes indeed they hate the Empire enough to join the Covenant. The Empire would be shortly overwhelmed
I don’t think most races would be willing to join the covenant.
@@thecollector4332 maybe the down trodden ones can join, depends on where the covenant is at is all.
Not really at all, star wars species are way smarter and open minded than halo species. If anything they would mostly stand out of the war, especially when they or if they find out how the covenant treats its unggoy.
*covenant jumps from planet to planet glassing each one then running*
Empire: frick
covenant jumps to the first empires planet and glass it.
Empire: Jumps with death star and fleet and blows the covenant.
Covenant: we are fucked
Orlando Carvill shut up just because there’s a comment that’s against the empire winning doesn’t mean you have to be all whiny about.
Orlando Carvill it takes time for the Death Star to fire not allowing it to fire before they glass the planet and run
@@afisch1694 the death star can fire to destroy a planet in 24 hours but using a single reactor reduces it times greatly, DS 2 can fire to blow ships 5 minutes per shot, also each death star has 15,000 turbolasers, 10,000 laser cannons and 5,000 ion cannons, enough to mop the entire high charity defense fleet on its own, and both death stars have a defense fleet with hundreds of capital ships and tens of thousands of tie class starfighters.
also the covenant slipspace tech is so slow that by the first contact with the empire the next time the covenant arrive to a system it would be 2 months later and every single planet would be more than ready to counter the covenant and they would most likely have military plans to entrap the covenant and blow them, also the covenant took over 2 weeks and more than 300 ships to not even fulLy glass reach so WRONG, they would be dead before glassing a single planet.
Orlando Carvill The Covenant would simply swarm the Death Star with Ranger Grunts, Jackals, and Elites to open the doors and allow hundreds more troopers including Hunters to storm it and plant bombs to blow it sky high
Stormtroopers vs jackal snipers
Yeah the empire is screwed
Sees imperial snipers.
@@springtrappurpleguy315 then sees the jackal snipers for 2 seconds and restarts
@@joemanton2340 *Sees that in Real Life There is No legendary Mode vor halo
@@springtrappurpleguy315 Then sees life is already on legendary mode
@@joemanton2340 No ITS Not because There is No master Chief in my rooms.
It’s downright amazing how one-sided the space battle would be in favor of the Empire, but how one-sided it would be in favor of the Covenant on the ground
I agree with you in space, and I also think the ground battle would be much closer than space, but the Empire are no slouches there either. Only Grunts would be able to compete with the numbers of Imperial Army, and Stormtroopers, while jump packs, miniturized ion torpedos, ion weapons, smart rockets, missile launchers, dioxis grenades, thermal detonators, thermal imploders, squad shields, probes, and automatic turrets would be common for Imperial infantry to have.
Bro Covenant dominates space. Their average ship is 2.5x the size of a Star Destroyer, has stronger shields, more/stronger weaponry, AND a stronger hull.
@@DroidUnit117 uh no. Stars wars ships have turbo lasers that can cause GIGATON explosions
Besides the biggest ship in star wars is the death star. Or the bigger death star.
@@FLMKane You understand that both Death Stars were destroyed by fighters right? Weak ones at that, a Seraph from the Covenant absolutely destroys an X-Wing or Tie Fighter. Also, doesn't matter what weapons they have if they can't damage a Covenant ship. Not only is the average Covenant ship 2.5x the size of a Star Destroyer, but they can tank multiple Thermonuclear explosions WITHOUT shields. Also, Imperial Star Destroyers get taken down by fighters/bombers with ease. The durability of Imperial ships is non-existent. While Covenant ships have an arsenal powerful enough to take em down with a single shot.🤷🏼♂️
@@JohnGalli_84 Not really lmao give me one reason a CCS Class Battle Cruiser doesn't one shot a Star Destroyer.
I think if the Empire started losing the war Palpatine really wouldn’t have to think twice about enlisting other species. Wookiees, nogri, weequay, etc etc are canonically above the hundreds of trillions as seen in the yuuzan vong war.
I imagine that Wookiees and Trandoshans would be very effective soldiers if they were equipped by the Empire. Wookiee and Trandoshans were already some of the best fighters in the Galaxy with their “home made” or commercially sourced weapons and equipment. If the Empire actually took the effort to accept, equip and study how best to use these species, they would be extremely powerful soldiers. Wookiee would have been heavily armored and packing heavy weapons would be walking tanks. Trandoshans equipped with cloaking and state of the art weapons and scanning equipment would have made for amazing special forces and snipers. These super Trandoshans would probably give legendary Jackal snipers a run for their money. While Brutes are probably superior to Wookiee’s, they don’t seem to take advantage of their strength and size and are equipped similarly to Elites.
I think that conflict is pretty much the proper example to see how things would go. Even though the Vong never went against Palpatine, it was the enemy he was preparing for going all the way back to the Seperatist Movement in the first place. An intact Empire with Death Stars, Super Star Destroyers, etc versus the Covenant & the Vong is a win in my book. Both the Old & New Republics would have lost just like the Galactic Alliance lost militarily against the Vong with only crazy Force crap & a living planet putting a stop to things.
@@MPdude237 I think it would be awesome to see a Wookie go up against a brute in hand to hand combat,but I feel that the Wookie would get destroyed lol
I'd pay to see that fight
If we drag in other species I think the covenant would get them first.
They're already multi-species and have no hatred against them.
The Empire wins a Total War because they can easily win a war of attrition. The Covenant just doesn't have the resources, especially when there is such parity in space tech. Superior Covenant infantry doesn't matter when you can't control space.
The only way the Covenant wins is if their guerilla tactics can force the Empire into a drawn out, inconclusive, unpopular war that spawns rebellion in the Empire's territory.
NYG5 And we all know how well the Empire handles rebellions.
Lol true
And nothing unites a nation like an external enemy.
@@4600norm This. It seems people often forget that even those arguing a lot can stand together against a common enemy.
My nation, Poland, can be used as an example.
Fractioned by the partitions in late 18th century, under occupation until 1918, disunited politicaly and economically, we've stood together against a common threat of the Bolshevik Russia in the Polish-Bolshevik war between 1919-1921 only to go back to squabling right after the war ended. We've even managed to assassinate our own president 5 days after he got elected in December 1922... And then had a coup in 1926. The situation continued into 1930s as well, but we still stood united against the Germans and Russians. And again went back to arguing after Germany capitulated and Communists took power...
Another example would probably be the the Chinese Republic during the Communist revolution, when both Kuomintang and Communist parties fought against the Japanese invaders and then, later on, went back to fighting one another once WW2 ended.
Common, external and most importantly strong enemy is a powerful tool in uniting even people who hate eachother with a passion. Even those who can't possibly cooperate under normal circumstances can and likely will stand together against an outside enemy if it's dangerous enough.
Thats where i think your wrong there's alot about Covenant resource that he missed like the elite invisibility The Brute strength not even just a butt how the elites all not all but most Elites we're all like assassins the elites are known for stealth they could have probably easily just snuck their way inside of a whatever the Star Wars ships haves and probably you know destroyer from the inside out that's just one example but it's a big difference because it's like I said there's just a lot of resource that he missed
The Covenant has sniper jackals, the Empire is doomed
And the Empire has Palpatine and Vader. The Covenant is doomed
@@NguyenMinh-vs1vm but sniper jackel
@@Azrael_Equinox i understand how hard the Legendary mode is, but no
@@NguyenMinh-vs1vm woosh
@@PR0F3SR_X the woosh is on you. I totally understand how frustrated Halo Legendary mode is
The Empire: sir, we seem to be losing.
Palpatine: what if I told you I could reactivate the clones and droid factories haven’t all been taken out?
The Empire: I would ask how you could know such things.
Palpatine: the benefits of being emperor is a pathway to many assets some consider to be unethical.
After all the clones and droid factory have been reactive... .
Palpy:INFINITE ARMYYYYYYYYYY AND SHIPSSSSSSS
LoL.
Shipmaster: they outnumber us 5 to 1!
Jackal: I like those odds
Is this in legendary mode? Because if so then the Galactic Empire stands no chance...
Heroic is cannon
*cough cough* Vader and palpatine and the Royal guard *cough cough*
Heroic in halo 2 is like legendary and legendary is like mythic
Paradoxical Nightmare Nope, Empire has no Sniper Jackals, no buff
@@jet2550 one jackal sniper lol
I do think you discount the possibility of the Covenant recruiting species in the star wars universe. That's probably not the kind of annalist that you were going for in this, however I think races such as the Twi'lek or the Wookies who have been historically used as slaves the most would almost jump at the chance to join an organized force against the Empire.
That's actually a good point but isn't it that the covenant would enforce their religion on those species? I mean, didn't they practically enslave the Unggoy? Because if so I doubt that those species would agree with such drastic changes.
I don't see how it would be different from the way that the Empire treats them. One of the laws of the Empire is that they can basically enslave any alien for any reason. So given that or the option of joining religious empire that only sorta enslaves it's races, to my knowledge only the Unggoy were completely enslaved because they thought they were to weak to be of any use.
Besides after the fall of the Jedi the universe lost all it's faith in the force and a alien empire claiming that they bring salvation would bring hope to the masses. I think that would be a big draw to the down trodden of the galaxy
TheT7770ify The covenant are against Humans. A lot of aliens are allied with Humans, the Empire does enslave but they try to keep in on the low. No one, if any from the star wars universe would join the covenant due to this.
TheT7770ify I don't think that wookies would be a big threat to the empire cause many of them were wiped out and the twi'leks didn't have the numbers to fight even a stormtrooper legion
It's a nice thought, but only about 10% of slave species in the Star Wars Galaxy were enslaved by Empire in one form or another, most were enslaved by Hutts or other criminal cartels, and those were for the most part in favor of the Empire. And an outside, unknown alien race saying join use, believe in what we believe and we'll free won't have the affect you think. Also the Covenant most likely won't distinguish between the aliens and humans when the appear to work together and attack all of them.
I would argue that the benefit of having slipspace drives over hyperdrives is that they're not tied to the Hyperlane Network. Not only that but they're also faster to activate. Remember, hyperdrives need pre-designated coordinates in order to safely jump. Slipspace drives have no such constraint.
You lack knowledge. Hyperdrive doesn't mean they need to follow hyperlanes, it's just safer travel.
Hyperdrive doesn’t have that constraint either but good to know you need to contrive limitations in order to try and make it a fair fight.
Hyper space can be flown manually and usually slowly to discover more routes.
Slipspace drives also have an EMP effect as seen in ODST
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Edit: I'm just adding this comment because I thought more about it. And you are correct about hyperdrive not having exactly that constraint. I can't remember which one, but there was an episode of the Clone Wars where Anakin Ahsoka and Rex had to save Aayla and they're hyperspace malfunctioned and sent them to a random planet.
I would only ask that you be a little less hostile in the future.
Grunts: oml they keep killing us
Jackal Sniper:
Hi kids, Do you likr violence ?
Lol “the covenant don’t have ways to deal with the deathstar 1 & 2” cuts to scene of covenant ships glassing the death stars.
That is if they could get it and its fleet out of hyperspace as that is where they spent most of their time when not on missions.
Well glassing would really only effect the surface of the Death Star and a bit into the hull and it does have powerful shields
If glassing wouldn't work they have boarding parties carrying nukes
Sir Doggo remember in halo wars 2 when the super carrier was glassing the Ark and cutting deep into the inner structure? Glassing the Death Star would do enormous damage depending on how many Covenant ships present
Sir Doggo Covenant glassing is so intense, it can destroy the atmosphere of a planet.
That type of raw bombardment could easily disable the Death Star.
I think you missed a big factor in covenant boarding parties. They come in swarms during large fleet battles, in shielded ships designed to make their own airlock basically on impact. They either take over your sht or blow it up and leave. It's a deadly tactic and they use it all the time in the Halo universe. I don't know if it would push the number very far, but the covenant almost never fights in small numbers, so almost all of the fighting will be large fleet battles. The boarding parties take advantage of the chaos and are difficult to deal with once they get inside. I think a single covenant ship could deal with multiple star destroyers in this way. The problem would then be the discrepancy between Covenant fighters and Empire fighters. Weapons probably goes to Empire, Covie has shields, Tie Fighter is more maneuverable and in greater numbers. But I think a few boarding parties could get through, and it only takes one to deliver the bomb.
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The problem is boarding the ships. The was Imperial ships work makes it difficult. As the hanger is the best way to to it and star wars ships aline to stop it. Never mind point defense.
However even boarding isn't going to stop them. The covenant religious nature renders understand the technology pointless while the Imperials would do the opposite.
Finally someone else thought of this, if this is the ship from halo 2 then there would be brutes and the average amount of brutes (and other units) could capture a ship, provided it doesnt have too much abnormal tech.
Would still need to take down shields first. We've repeatedly seen in the star wars universe that ships cannot pass through shields - Rescuing Palatine in III, impassable planetary shields in Rogue One... I'm sure there's plenty more examples but those two are just off the top of my head. Also, I'm not sure a boarding vessel would make it past all the auto-turrets, turbo-lasers, tie interceptors.....
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Luke Freeman actually it's speed for shields in starwars. And it can't be too slow to get through a shield considering that the relative speed of a meteor was enough to go through a Star Destroyer's shielding. Boardings will be devastating against the Empire and Starwars Disney Canon and even legends canon makes it a lot easier to board a ship than logic dictates. But Empire still takes this due to Tie Fighters being better than void sealed Banshees and just tarpitting any Shades and then the resource differences.
Damn. The Covenant looks so much better than the Empire seeing them side by side.
They forget to add force users....
@Félix Berbakow the grunts aren’t weak their as strong as the average human if not stronger seeing how the higher ranks are given the covenant equivalent of a rocket launcher and their taller then Japanese men their only considered weak and short next to a 7ft tall super soldier that carries over a ton of armor. Elites are still great leaders and tacticians and very few times I’ve seen that their arrogant has cost them an easy battle but imperial leader regularly lose to smaller weaker forces because of their arrogants. Brutes aren’t stupid their understanding of thermal and gravitational manipulation far surpasses the empires. And jackals are cowards but they still will fight and won’t runaway in battle not to mention as a sniper they are better then any human can hope to be. Also storm troopers aim sucks because their helmets limit the amount they can see not because of what you said. Not to mention the empire is really xenophobic while the covenant excepts all species except humans so they’d just get all the empires non human species to join to bluster their numbers.
Edit: when I mentioned the helmet thing I’m talking about cannon all though I’m a legends fan I do not know the reason for it in legends. Also what about every other instance of them having bad aim when they weren’t on the Death Star.
@Félix Berbakow "elites are arrogant"lmao say that after a single elite mops the floor with stormtroopers,dont get me started with brutes
What about Inquisitors?
I'd LOVE to see some handful of Stormtroopers take on two Hunters LOOOOOOOL
At that point toss a thermal imploder and fucking run
The storm troopers would die.
Trooper: * explodes hunter*
Trooper: haha
2nd hunter: eyes start glowing
Trooper: oh shi-
@@stuglife5514 😂😂😂 love your comment man.
With rockets and thermal detonators it wouldn’t be much of a challenge ngl
Star Wars: exist
Legendary halo reach elite and h2 jackal: ok.
You forgot Halo 2 Brutes
The thing is the empire has only a few force users
Nebby0 but palps can destroy entire fleets of capital ships w the force storm and Luke can open a black hole
But we have obi wan and the high ground
@@mickyt551 But those are the Legends Canon.
I say the covenant could give the empire a run for its money, the forerunner dreadnought could beat back a small fleet of imperial ships by itself. Slipspace is slower than hyperspace but slipspace could pass through solid objects unlike hyperspace, so the covenant could launch a massive attack on kaut yards and kamino, they could bypass the outer defenses and attack the planet directly before fleeing the larger empire counter attack, that would cripple them in the long run and using pinpoint jumps they could stay outside of weapons range but still pommel them.
Yes this is all true, and i am for the covenant on this one. But the empire is huge and like eckharts said, if the covenant lose a ship, it is far more devastating to them, unlike the empire who can just build a new one in a day or so.
alphatrex612 not if they got industrial territories first. If I were a shipmaster I would destroy as many industrial planets as possible and have other fleets hit the training ground. The only problem are the force users without Palpatine and Vader they won't have as much tactical superiority. Imperial generals don't know how they operate. The covenant have tangled with humans before and since all sentient being in the galaxy act like humans they know how humans operate so technically they could predict the empires movements. Thats my opinion though.
You're being stupidly biased.
Why couldn't the Empire do the same?
"attack the drive yards"
The empire has thousands and the Covenant has possibly less than 100.
By what logic could 1 dreadnaugh block a Imperial fleet? XD
Pure speculation.
1 Super ISD could do the same, it has 100× the fire power of any normal Covenant ships.
The Empire has more capital ships than the Covenant has ships in general
Dank God -Carlo- Zamasu well the dreadnaught thing holding back a fleet could have something to do with the species that designed it, I mean the forerunners could literally wipe the entire galaxy of life with a turn of a digital key
Jared R except most industrial planets that the empire controlled had its own orbital defences, like for Kuat Drive yards they would have Golan MKIII battle stations (which I believe can blow up an ISD II without any issues), ground based turbolasers, planetary shield generators, and it's own small defence fleet.
Also depending on which planet they hit it could have some very dangerous private defences.
Like Kuat Drive Yards would have multiple Mandator II dreadnoughts.
Corellia would have its own battleships and cruisers.
Fondor had its own dedicated defence fleet.
And if the Covenant decided to attack Mon Cala, even the rebels would show up to defend it.
Covenant: *moves slightly to the left*
Empire: *this is impossible even the celestials wouldnt even understand this!*
Empire: we have an advantage!
Jar jar: Messa!
I just got the image in my head of Vader cutting down honor guards to get to the prophets like the hallway scene from rogue one. I like that image.
The real question is
Who would win?
Chips Dubbo or Darth Jar jar
it would be a tie and a dead universe, the two are immortal and have god tier powers
Darth jar jar is a demigod but chips dubbo is THE god who makes Christianity's God look like a Karen with a spork
Darth Helmet, obviously
Their battle would rip the multiverse apart so a draw
Yeah but what about Henry the friendly Elite.
Funny that no one mentions how much advantage slipspace give the covenant.
Precise jumps are one thing, having the ability to go where you want is another. If, if the Empire did not have precise hyperspace routes plotted by earlier ships, their movement will be heavily limited, while the Covenant, as long as having the coordinates of certain planets, could easily mobilize and move out. Just imagine a Covenant Task Force jumping out of slipspace behind a squadron of Imperial-I destroyers. Imagine CAS carriers directly jumping inside the planet's atomsphere and start glassing the surface while the Imperial blockade at the other side struggle to move to intercept.
RaPtorteAm Yes and that will still be super ineffective as they are very far away from the empire. even if we move them closer while still keeping them in the Unknown regions, they are still very far away from any important planets and factories. A short jump takes months and the long jumps they would have to do to get to any important planet could take at least a year. This will give the empire planty of time to adapt and also to create hyperspace routes.
Bruce Jedi Lee I’m pretty sure in halo it’s instant
If the Covanent can figure out the hyper space lanes which shouldn't be that hard, they can literally just screen the lanes for traffic and hide out in a nearby system slipspace literally on top of the star destroyer(s), hit them with the energy projection beam and dip out leaving the star destroyers in ruin.
Team12 U.K mate i believe you are mistaken, for what i have read and seen, the slipspace is a lot slow than hyperspace, to the point that what the millenium falcon would cover in a day a covenant ship would do it in months.
Tristone. exe mate don´t be that kind of fan, first of all read about the lore of both halo and star wars, i am a star trek fan, but you truly are biased enormously.
Aren’t covenant ships coated in a material that neutralizes energy weapons? Also they have shields on top of that so a lot of the empires weapons wouldn’t work on the ships.
genius the covenant ships are extrmely vulnerable to energy weapons, and they are quite inferior to any SW tech, to make it simple a single sd would mop 24 carriers
@@sutler12 You've really been doing this for 10 months, huh? You must not really get out that often.
@@beothen i guess that in your country you dont have cell phones.
Orlando Carvill Only their energy shields are not their armor
@@PackHunter117 thats irrelevant, if you make a comparison of firepower, hull and shield resistance you knew that the covenant is way beneath the empire, i already made it, look in the other comments.
I was 100% for the galactic empire until you brought up the covenant’s slip space tech and their mobile homeworld. Although it is slower slip space lets the covs use their ships like submarines. They can appear out of nowhere inside defensive lines, glass a planet, and disappear to somewhere between the hyperspace lanes. If the imps can find them they would have to travel at sublight speed to get to them. Without hyperspace the cov ships can’t be caught. And while the imps might blast a few cov homeworlds they could not obliterate the covs without destroying high charity which could just jump away at will the same as the fleet.
Next is the covenant ground army. While the empire is fond of enormous armored vehicles and masses of infantry the covenant seem to focus more on upgrading the aliens within its empire to take advantage of their natural abilities. Working together they can counter a variety of infantry and armor threats while being as mobile as infantry. In the air the empire would have the fighter advantage with their wide variety of specialized ships, however if the covs can jump a cruiser inside a planet’s atmosphere as air support the imps would have a rough time.
Then there are the politics. The covenant’s religious zeal and unity mean they could suffer massive losses and sustain their morale, while the empire, held together by fear of their own military, would have to preserve an image of perfect order and power. If the covs fleet can appear over coruscant, do a bunch of damage, and leave before the defense fleet shows up that image will fall apart. Worse still for the empire would be if their planets/alien races joined the covs, contributing their tech and knowledge. The hutts would probably be the first to negotiate for powerful cov small arms in exchange for tech and spying the same as they did with the vong. The covs seem much more interested in taking advantage if different aliens’ unique characteristics, which in the empire seem limitless. Their adaptability would be a major edge over the empire’s uniformity and xenophobia.
Finally there’ the rebellion. If the covs teamed up with the rebel alliance they would be unstoppable. Alliance fighters, capital ships, tech, and intel would cover all the weaknesses in the covenant military and boost their numbers significantly. More likely the rebels would see the covs as an enemy, but even then that would give the empire two fronts to fight at once. Even with 10-1 advantage over the covs in numbers the imps still have to keep a presence over their whole territory to beat down the rebels and may not be able to gather enough ships for expeditions to cov space. The covs on the other hand are pretty stable and can send a bigger portion of their fleet on the attack.
Well, if you gave your teacher this comment, she’d give you a 100
Okay the covenant would never align with rebels because of their human leaders, and slip-space is so slow cause they have to open the slip-space and then slowly fly into it all the while they're being shot at.
And I don't care how much synergy you think the covenant has it wouldn't do anything against trillions of troops and fighter support
Plus the covenant does not work together well, elites and brutes hate each other, and elites are careless with their grunts
Starship comparison: Eclipse star dreadnaught vs Long night of Solace
mr anonymous Long night of solace would rape the eclipse lol
Yeah if the Eclipse uses its Superweapon it's won easy.
were it so easy.
Now that isn’t even fair, long night of solace would devastate anything really, unless noble team comes and screws them up again
I think Long Night of Solace wins, by virtue of being several kilometers larger. We dont know how powerful energy projectors are compared to the superlaser on the Eclipse, but energy projectors are easily capable of destroying UNSC ships and even other covenant craft, and while I dont think theres any records of them breaking continents in half with them, they ARE used to glass planets by heating them so much the surface turns to glass.
I feel the covenant are being sold a little short. Yes in a straight up battle the empire would tank due to sheer numbers, and the covenant would die before surrendering but they weren't dumb, and even there a.i could proably realize guirrila warfare would be their best strategy. They are better equipped then the rebels and have way more numbers then they did, plus have a mobile city as there base, which I'd say would put the rebel main fleet to shame in terms of a mobile hq. plus unlike the rebels I feel the have the capacity to capture some world and hold them to gain some ability to produce more ships, and have the ability to take out key installations, bases, industrial complexes, or even planets threw teams of elites with cloaking and such, or simply glassing them from space.
I just feel the covenant would realize they need to do guirrella warfare as admited their commanders and tactics where better and they have a better fighting force and capacity then the rebels.
Meme Supremacy you forget that high charity itself has ridiculous manufacturing capabilities. Think, a planet only has it's surface area to be used for manufacturing, digging down much, you'd run into the core and melt, high charity, you have it's VOLUME to work, in addition to covenant planet based factories, high charity can do a lot
Shadow Ranger forgot to consider it, thanks!
Funny idea. The Rebels team up with the Covenant, the first engagement the Covies have against the Empire is Endor. Imagine the Empire's reaction.
Rebels had Plot armor tho.. soooo
If we have full covie capabilities, we'd also have Unyielding Hierophant, a massive space station with it's own large fleet. I feel if the covies are attacking, they have a better chance of fighting this war. If it isn't an all out brawl like proposed by EL, the empire-covenant would probably turn into a very long, drawn out and bloody affair, constantly pulling in more and more reasources from the rest of the empire.
Do you think the covenant would be able to gather SW races to their banner? They have been shown to be quite diplomatic when it comes to Abby one other than the humans, with the majority if jackles being 'hired' rather than subjugated, for example. I could see them gathering allies of opprotunity, even if they don't intend to stay friends for ever.
You forgot one very important thing...
Elites actually hit what they shoot at, and don't go down in one shot.
Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the Covenant's propensity for using boarding craft...
Great video, though! Keep it up!
The boarding craft just won't matter. Imperial ties are just too numerous and the boarding craft aren't that well defended
Bruh, stormtroopers have good aim too unless they go against someone with plot armor
90% of stormtrooper "deaths" aren't deaths their armor is actually effective but the impact of the blaster hits them so hard that they get hit unconscious
That's what I was thinking about. Once the Covenant get inside a star destroyer, it's going to be a blood bath. Literally sneak in a couple of stealth elites after an initial wave and those ships are in trouble.
@@minizimi3790 against 10k stormtroopers on board? And crazy sensors?
Obi wan takes the high ground
Legendary jackel sniper : what are u doing come down from there u might hurt yourself.
Luke: So, what do you do for a living?
Highly Trained Spartan: Well, I've taken down a whole covenant army before...
That's one of the regular ones at that. If we talking chef level then it's over. He took a whole planet out multiple times alone
Steven Jones and a parasite
Empire: we are the most unstoppable force
Halo 2 legendary jackal sniper: hold my beam rifle
lol
Wait a moment...why are they giving the Empire the source of their power?
UNSC vs the rebellion
that would be a shitshow of rebels getting slaughtered by things they can't even see
Idk.. human ships mostly don’t have shields which is what I think would be their major major weakness against attacking the rebels
Brown Town i don’t think the rebel ships’ shields could stop a MAC cannon though.
Yeah maybe not the frigates and whatever but the mon calimary ships have redundant shielding and thick hulls so I imagine those are the main ships that can honestly probably easily win because of it. Unsc ships have good fire power but no shields so theyd honestly get destroyed in a few turbo laser shots, if the UNSC wins one battle it would have to be the same way they’d win against the covenant, 3 times their ships and with heavy loses
The Senate dammit lol I need to read up on my shit
Anyone: Exists
UR Wrong: You are wrong in every way because I said so.
very funny indeed, however i have indeed debunked them with sources.
A SURPRISE TO BE SURE BUT A WELCOME ONE.
@@sutler12 dude I was joking I understand your point, I love halo but if someone one said who would win a jedi or an elite even though I prefer halo over star wars I'd still say the jedi would be victorious, I get it your just saying the facts and not opinions ( I wanted u to reply lol)
@@sutler12 you know you're stupid when someone makes a comment specifically about you
@@sutler12 your still commenting on this
this is my first viewing before you say
UR Wrong dude you are on every halo vs star wars video arguing, just shut the fuck up. All I see is 50 reply long chains, nobody cares. We watched the video to learn about it, not to watch you be an immature twat. And if you even try to say you are mature about it, let’s just move forward to you repeatedly calling people cunts because you think they are wrong. You can prove people wrong without being a complete asshole.
You forgot the Covenant's active camouflage. They can make entire fleets invisible if they wanted, I'm pretty sure.
doesn't it just apply to troops and spec ops types? just asking whether I'm wrong
Yeah covenant could cloak fleets, they did that with a cso-class super carrier in Halo Reach
I think that between elites, brutes and hunters, the Stormtroopers are very outclassed. Stormtroopers are about as tough as jackals, and we already know the lasers do less then bullets against plasma sheilds, while plasma weapons would burn thru the Stormtroopers. And while Darth Vader is tough, against the arbiter and the 1 or 2 elite kill squads that would be deployed with him, Darth Vader would be outmatched. He just won't be able to compensate against that. Plus the plasma weapons on the ship's would be devastating to star destroyers, while the laser weapons might as well bounce off the plasma shielding. And once dropships breach the star destroyers and the ship's fill with troops, it turns basically into a ground battle. Once you put brutes and elites in that small space and give the troopers no space to run away, you hand the battle to the elites. I think each elite and brute would score at least ten kills, where as the Stormtroopers would be lucky to kill a shield jackal. When you fight with the covenant, all battles are ground battles. The empire actually has better chances on the ground, unless the covenant starts glassing the planet, which they are likely to do
dude both covies and the empire use plasma on pretty much the same level except in space where the covies use 1 big ass gun rather than a bunch of guns.
Thyre Radim no they don't use plasma. The guns are high powered lazers, the plasma is exclusive to lightsabers, to which the Emperor had a ban on except for him and Darth Vader.
Thyre Radim and covanant vessels use way more then one gun. They use the glass beam to bombard the planet, not other ships. And while all the empires vessels use lazer weaponry (which we know to be useless against shields) while the covanant pack plasma weapons for just about every weapon (which are excellent against sheilds) let me also remind you that the hottest plasma ever created by humans was hotter then the surface of the son by I think about 6 or 7 times, and the covanant are way more advanced. The plasma they use may well be and probably is given what we've seen much better then what we have ever made.
Thyre Radim as for my earlier statement: the covenant board big vessels all the time. Once you put elites, brutes, shuled jackals or even drones in that tight space with those puny Stormtroopers, you no longer have a space battle. You have a ground battle, which the covanant would usually win. The only thing is they have less ships and men. But otherwise, it's more even then you think. Even Vader or palaptine couldn't last against all that for very long, seeing as the only viable weapon would be the force. Seeing as I'm sure an elite would get a strike on him at some point, he would have to use his force power to sustain himself, leaving him in blade combat with an opponent twice his size and strength level, and much faster too.
+jordy plays games, nope the empire uses plasma excusivly like everyone else in star wars cause if they used lasers they would have a lot longer range, and they really only use 1 gun except on their massive ass ships of which their were few, and I know they can board easily but thats not my point my point is the empire uses plasma lmao and the force doesn't work on things from other galaxies.
There is one thing you have forgotten. The forerunner dreadnaught. That thing powers high charity with a minuscule fraction of its power. If the prophet of truth thinks it is necessary, he will use it. To put it in comparison, a single forerunner dreadnaught with no form of weaponry in the hands of the prophets gave the elites trouble. Now imagine one that is filled with weaponry. It could probably take on entire fleets with out much trouble. Although, I'd still say the empire would most likely win, the dreadnaught is more than enough to give the covenant an advantage.
Nathan Kingham That is true, that's how the San shyuum defeated the sangheili, with hit and run tactics utilizing the dreadnought
Nathan Kingham but would they be willing to risk it? The dreadnought is one of, if not the most, important religious item to the Covenant short of the Halos, plus it's cultural and historical value, not to mention that it powers their holy city/capital, i doubt that they'd be willing to launch it even if High Charity were attacked directly unless, like in halo 2, the city itself had basically already been lost, and even then i doubt they'd use it offensively but more like an escape ship for the hierarchs and their honor guard, and considering i only think they'd launch it after losing HC, which likely means it's defense fleets as well, meaning a staggeringly huge portion of the empire's total population is gone along with their single largest naval force, and probably their highest ranking/skilled naval commanders, not to mention the blow to morale, they will have already long lost the war well before they ever even consider the dreadnought as a viable military option in my opinion.
Nathan Kingham in halo 3 it was shrugging off mac blasts like they were nothing
NoctaliGamer it depends. Truth could have gone anywhere when high charity fell, but he chose to go to earth, where he knew the UNSC were waiting for him and SMACs. He could have waited to get a support fleet to follow the dreadnaught to make sure it was safe but he didn't. I think that in the most extreme case, like if high charity was targeted by the Death Star, it would be used. How? I don't know, but in this goal war scenario, we have to assume that the winner has to eradicate the loser, which means eradicating the dreadnaught, which isn't easy.
Nathan Kingham yea but can it take on the death star or a super star destroyer or an eclipse class or even the galaxy gun or sun crusher
Eckharts: the sheer power and intelligence of Emporer Palpatinte
Also empire: is divided into splinter factions and is scarcely populated due to teddy bears
Plot armor idiot
That happened immediately after palpatine died
The Empire was weakened but not destroyed.
Guerrilla warfare you say?
Elites turns on invisibility cloak. Massive Storm Trooper massacre
Pretty sure the covenant had a larger fleet then what you estimated, especially because the limited technology for rendering the fleets in the video games. But halos lore does state that the covenant had a very large fleet
This is exactly what I was thinking also he doesn’t account for the fact there would be at minimum 5-10 CSO there’s no way you don’t have your most powerful ship around your most important asset not to mention the fleet Thels fleet was unbeatable and Xar the 8ft tall elite that was super powerful not only never lost but his ship was a special CSO and had a large amount of ships just protecting the outstretched regions it’s my believe that the covenant has a chance and could use tactics to win more than what Ecks is thinking
The covenant had thousands of fleets who contain who knows how many soldiers while the empire has 1B troops
This is dumb. The empire literally has millions of ships. They could just zerg rush the covvies
@@FLMKane I'm sorry but where did you get the "millions of ships"? Because last time I checked the Empire had only 25,000 Star Destroyers fielded at the height of their power
We could use the Unyielding Hierophant as an excellent mobile base of operations.
What the hell, a brutechiefant with a gravity hammer set on legendary, can take out an entire army of storm troopers
Also with the storm skull and the declive skull seriously these brutes have lots of health
@@legionfantastic4208 not to mention they can activate invincibility
I’d look at Reach for a great example. The Covenant manage to deploy recon units behind enemy lines, managed to make a breach point for the rest of the fleet to arrive and deploy the rest of the troops.
death star the planet, then there is no breach point
@@parisbtw5779 If a few rebels got in the covenant can easily get in.
@@Mr_Gato02 facts, the covenant is at least ten times what the rebels were, let alone the ewoks
@@Mr_Gato02 have you ever heard about plot armor
True. But then you also have incidents like the battle for Earth where Regret jumped to a random planet controlled by the humans and didn't realize he had made it to the human capital until it was too late.
also "Brute ships! Staggered line. Shipmaster! They outnumber us, three-to-one!" "Then it is an even fight. All cruisers fire at will. Burn their mongrel hides." - Shadow of Intent crewmember Sangheili Major, and Shipmaster Rtas 'Vadum.
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And he gets destroyed when he realizes they are evenly matched in fire powrr and shielding... And its not not 3-1 its 100-1
pff :P 100 to1 : 3 to 1 its all the same ^^
Emp United and when he said that, it was against the same class of ships and was heavily outnumbered and outgunned. Yet he won. And also the fact that the empire can barely afford to have 2 star destroyers to defend Scariff. Covies could pick off small defence fleets and get like an 10 sd kills per CCS in this way.
Hoo- Dini
The rebellion wasn't of any concern for the empire at that point. Trakin purely believed even stealing the plans was of no point (he was right as without force powers nothing the rebellion did woyld have stopped the death star). Thats why the Director had to get Vader as he was the only person who could help that wasn't under trakins command at that point.
Emp United but then again, in empire strikes back, Vader only mustered a fleet of a few dozen star destroyers. I would think he would bring as many as he could to really entrap the rebels, and not make the fleet too thin as was in the battle of Hoth. Also, if the empire and the covies had the same amount of shielding, the covies would totally wreck the empire in almost every battle as only 2 plasma torpedoes is needed to penetrate the shields of a CCS, and the CCS had at least 6 torpedo turrets. These torpedoes have been said to be so powerful, they have can vaporize a ship in a single volley. So the point is that covie torpedoes can eliminate a star destroyer, or at least it's shields in a single volley while a star destroyer may take a few minutes to take down the shields of a of covenant counterpart (basically the CCS).
I don't disagree with your outcome because of the numbers and the Force. I do however think your really under selling the Covenant tech. The shields of Covenant ships are shown to be able to tank massive damage and their weapons simply don't miss (directed energy beams and relentless homing\guided plasma).
While numbers do give a huge advantage.
Let's not forget the covenant also have disposable units in the form of the Grunts.
If I remember correctly they breed pretty fast and grow into adults in a short amount of time.
guys the force can't directly affect things from other galaxies and the empire would have to give up half their territory to have just 6 isd's per system cause they usually only have 2 isd's per system like scarif seriously they ONLY had 2 isd's.
They only had 2 at scarif because that planet was highly classified and hidden the whole point of it was to not draw attention to it. Plus there was a planetary shield that blocked anything from going in so they didn't exactly need a huge fleet.
lmao they did need a huge fleet and they wouldn't draw huge attention to it and if they did so what lmao and still the point is they can't muster enough strength per planet to stop a covie invasion like seriously when has the empire ever had 2k ships in a single battle? FUCKING NEVER, and the reason why scarif was shittely defended is because they had no absolutely no anti fighter weapons on isd's and the covies anti fighter weapons are far more accurate and the projectiles move faster than turbolasers and they are more deadly than a turbolaser.
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Unfortunately they are going up agaist a a 100 quatrillion populated societ.
The covenant having superior soldiers would make guerila tactics effective
That’s where the San Shyuum Prelates come in
@Laith Rajha atriox, tartarus, the arbiter, mc, and a dozen of the best of each covenant species wuld choke against vader.
@@sutler12 atriox is so much stronger than vader if he got one hit in vader would literally die instantly this is the same man who beat spartan 2s senseless and spared their lives
@@ninedivines5374 Vader destroyed lyleks in ryloth as if they were made of paper, get your facts straight, Vader would mop Atriox and he wouldnt even know wtf happened.
The thing is we’ve seen before that a single Jedi or Sith, wielding both the force but also their lightsaber, can take down an entire ship once they are on it. I think that a small contingent of elites (say a dozen) with energy swords and plasma rifles, could easily cut through an ISD once they are on board. Also the Covenant could just slip space jump from world to world, and just glass everything( Interdictors would have no effect because slipspace is a different dimension)
Not really. look at order 66. Nearly all jedi were killed by getting corned and surrounded. Only the most skilled jedi were able to survive such a situation.
@@johnleeka3282 yes but still, we've seen that happen in the past, an Elite strike team would be a real pain for an ISD, all they have to do is board the ship. The problem is merely a matter of numbers, no matter how many victories, the Covenant just isn't big enough to bring the Empire to heel, they could maybe create a stalemate if they play their cards well.
@@edvard8449 yea but jedi have the Force to sense the enemies and their intentions. The second the covenant strike team will get discovered they are dead. A ISD has 10k stormtroopers on board
@@Daemon2k15 not every ISD has Darth Vader inside it. There is only one Darth Vader and only one Emperor.
@@edvard8449 yea but it has 10000 stormtroopers
Who would win jackal sniper or storm trooper? “I think we both know the answer to that”
Depends. If it's a death trooper, then death trooper can take him down. Or if it's a member of Inferno Squad, then Inferno Squad could win.
Really, that wouldn't be a fair comparison I'm sure we know. The question is how Imperial sharpshooters would compare to Jackal snipers, and how Stormtroopers and/or Imperial Army would compare to likely the only Covenant troop to even come close to matching them in numbers, Grunts.
@@Pipitus1 he said storm trooper 🤦♂️
Storm troopers are compared to grunts. Death troopers are the comparison to jackal snipers.
In the beginning of the human covenant war _spartans_ sometimes struggled fighting jackals. The empire is screwed
What is the Empire is fighting the covernant with Legandary all skulls on?
I think a key tactical point in your breakdown is missing. The Covenant inhabit the Milky Way Galaxy and the Empire inhabits another galaxy, far, far away. Neither side is intergalactic travel capable, so, for the sake of argument, let's say a stable wormhole is discovered connecting the 2 galaxies. This balances out the resources argument because of the bottleneck effect. Now, if the Covenant invade the Empire, it is in their best interest to align with the Rebellion once they recognize the scale the Empire exists on. If the Empire invades Covenant space, they automatically have a major disadvantage because of the lack of mapped hyperspace lanes in the Milky Way.
A wormhole bridge not only makes the conflict more plausible, it levels the playing field.
I think this is one of the dumbest responses to this quistion i have seen.
@@videosmith419 Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you. 👍
The Point of the Video is a 1v1 not what would happen if the universes collide
“Excecute order 66”
Trooper: It will be done my lord
Trooper: wait why are all the Jedi turning invisible?
You forget the fact the high chairs defense fleet was more than a thousand, considering more sources say it had a lot more than 900, I'm going to say your guess was wrong
high charity
Where did you see that?
EckhartsLadder look up second fleet of homogeneous clarity on the halo wiki it stats that it numbers in the thousands
Ray Yancey yeah that's a big piece of info for this battle not there. Thousands of more ships... and also don't forget about the unyielding hierophant fleet which had 500+ capital ships too. Found in Halo: First Strike.
EckhartsLadder Halo nation, halo wikia. Its stated that it numbers in the thousands
Also in Halo first strike its said it has hundreds of CAPITAL ships, not just cruisers.
You forgot that glassing disables shields, so something like the death star would easily become Swiss cheese.
wrong, that works on low tech like unsc you idiot
@@sutler12 Proof for that statement?
Edit: also, (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm pretty sure that UNSC capital ships didn't have energy shields in the Human-Covenant war - I'm assuming you're talking about that and not after - and thtt the only uNSC ship with energy shields at the time was the Sabre
@@canichangemyname1877 read the more than 100 comments where i have used specific novels from both universes to back up my claims.
p.s: if youa re going to demand proves in a comment not directed to you, you fucking better know the lore on both universes from a to z (its rethorical it is obvious you do not)
@@sutler12 You keep forgetting actually movie and show canon for star wars were the empire was defeated by an unorganized rebellion and primitive races, as well as most recent versions of stormtroopers can't hit a can a couple of feet away.
Doubtful that they would even get close, the Death Stars armor is 3 kilometers thick and it’s littered with thousands of turbolasers and ion cannons.
Empire: we have two death stars and vader
Forerunners: *laugh* ok boomer
IceboundFiddle zoomer*
@ANONYMOUS Celestials: *Moves Black Holes*
Forerunners: *Tilts galaxy*
@ANONYMOUS Forerunners: Creates Halo
Also Forerunners: Repopulates galaxy
@@Mobius_118 also precursors
Precursors: *Hah, fools.*
I think the Covenant stand a significantly better chance (I'd even argue they have an advantage) than the video lets on, although there was no way Eck could have known some of this information at the time he made this.
1. Star Wars is very heavily inspired by WWII, which means that pretty much all SW commanders (even the very highly skilled ones like Thrawn) are stuck using extremely outdated tactics that resemble WWII naval battles more than what actual space combat might look like. Halo, being a bit more grounded in realism (even Eck agrees on this), is far more three-dimensional than Star Wars. He says in the video that Imperial tactics are on a lower level, although he doesn't emphasize the degree to which this is true as much as I would. Covvie ships could quite easily and consistently outmaneuver and take down Star Destroyers using SW's ineptitude at three-dimensional combat to their advantage.
2. Imperial advance into Covenant territory would be extremely, extremely slow. For one, Covenant space would be completely uncharted to the GE and thus hyperspace wouldn't really be viable until specific routes are mapped out. Winning ground battles would also be extremely difficult, as Imperial ground tactics tend to be just as s#!t as their tactics in space. Dispersion is a lot lower in Star Wars making them extremely vulnerable to explosives, Stormtroopers usually don't bother taking cover all that much, the Covenant have a large edge in artillery and long-range weapons, and handheld explosives tend to be a lot more common in Halo. The GE still has an upper hand overall due to sheer numbers, but it buys the Covenant time. This is extremely important as
3. As we found out in trailers for Halo 6, the Banished (which supposedly control a significantly smaller area of space than the Covenant) are capable of repairing a Halo ring and restoring it to full operational capacity. Keep in mind, just SEVEN of these rings were able to near-completely wipe out all biological life in the entire Milky Way. A single Halo would easily be enough to turn the tide of war as HUGE swaths of Imperial territory are entirely cleansed of life. The only question is, would the Covenant be able to last long enough to do this? It's hard to say. Even if we assume the Banished started working on repairing the Halo ring IMMEDIATELY after they were founded in 2548, that's only twelve years until it's nearing completion in 2560. Given how slow the GE would be advancing through Covenant territory, I think that should be just enough time assuming they keep the project hidden enough.