Star Trek's Unsolved Mystery!
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I discovered Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek The Original Series in 1972 and fell in love with it even though I was only 8 years old. In 1973, Star Trek The Animated Series premiered on NBC Saturday Morning Cartoons, and kept me entertained until it finished its run in 1974.
Like many other Star Trek fans, I waited and waited as the powers that be kept saying we would get Star Trek Planet of The Titans, then Star Trek Phase 2, until finally premiering Star Trek The Motion Picture in 1979.
As the Harve Bennett movies of the 1980’s began, I was at the theatre on opening night for Nicholas Meyer’s Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan, Leonard Nimoy’s Star Trek III : The Search for Spock & Star Trek IV : The Voyage Home, William Shatner’s Star Trek V : The Final Frontier, and Star Trek VI : The Undiscovered Country.
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Great video- the three footer has always been my favorite model. Wasn’t it loaned to Brick Price’s Wonderworks, though, and not Abel’s shop? The shot of the model being constructed was in their shop, and I think this was before Abel was even brought on. Also- I know “Phase II” is how most people refer to the project, but the show was actually going to be called “Star Trek II” by the time most of the work was up and running (writers guide, internal memos, scripts, etc.). The “Phase” nomenclature was…”phased”… out fairly early.
Sometimes, trying to sort these things out is like nailing jello to the wall. 😀 When doing my research, I found that the photo was suspected to be the last known photo of the model. So I jumped to the conclusion that the photo was taken in Abel's studio. Which turns out to be wrong (thanks to tips from loyal fans like yourself). The photo did indeed take place at Brick Price's place.
But the concept that the model disappeared while in the hands of Abel was sourced from a Rick Sternbach conversation where he said that he had actually laid eyes on the model along with several key pieces of artwork and a model of the proposed triangular Enterprise from Planet of the Titans. He said all the items disappeared over a weekend. So that meant that the model had been returned by Price after the photo was taken.
Also, it was Majel and Susan Sackett who publicly said that it had last been seen at a special effects house. So if you assume that all three of them are correct; that would put it in the hands of Abel's company.
Of course, it's all conjecture. And I may even change my mind about the situation as time goes on. It's such a tragedy that so many of these folks are gone and can't offer any further comment on the matter.
By the way; Memory Alpha has a good sourced write up on this subject. I have found them a great source when looking to double check Star Trek information.
@@TREK-WORLD Ah! That all makes sense! That DOES sound like Abel had it last! Thanks for that- I hadn’t heard Sackett or Majel Barrett speak on the three footer (or Sternbach), so thanks for that!
BTW- a channel that discuss Star Trek, Night Stalker, AND Something Evil and Trilogy of Terror?? You bet I subscribed!! Thanks!
You know; I am so glad that you said that. This is a very small channel; and I don't ever really expect it to get big enough to actually make money. But I have stumbled on to a niche here that just doesn't get a lot of videos on. So I am having a ball doing research on things I haven't thought of for years. I just completed the Horror @ 37,000 Feet review and have decided I'm going to do a whole bunch of these videos on all the made for TV horror movies we grew up with. An, of course, the Star Trek videos are great because I'm trying to do things that no one else has done yet - and let me tell you - that ain't easy with Star Trek. However, the whole Studio Filming Models series is going to be a blast. I'm putting together a video on the Smithsonian refits right now. I just love this stuff!
The model shop building miniatures for Phase II was Brick Price Movie Miniatures. The name Wonderworks wouldn't be used untilthe early-mid 90s when Brick brought John Palmer in as a partner. Brick brought in Don Loos to help with the fiberglass work.
At 33" long, that would place the model at 1/350 scale.
As a modeler/3D Modeler and someone who has worked with measurements in models for over 50 years I am telling you with the scale of the desk, and drawers in those pictures that are from Abel's shop/office that the model on the desk is an 18 inch - 1/650 scale AMT kit model.
Not only that but the bottom of the saucer gives it away, because on the first original 33 inch model the bottom of the saucer was flattened out to soon on the cone/bowl area protruding from down from the center of the saucer, and it lacked the sensor dome.
Anyway I have worked with little wood lathes like the one in the pictures, and I have a very similar desk that is metal like that one, although mine has drawers on both sides and the drawer is 13.5 inches in width, so use that as a guide. Even though the model is about a foot further back on the desk, if it were 33 inches long it would appear to be twice as large in length and height as the width would not be as noticeable from that angle.
Cool! I am going to redoing the entire 3ft model evolution after I finish the current package on the 11ft model. Your comments are the most detailed and qualifying observation that I have ever heard on the subject of the Able pictures. Thanks!!
@@TREK-WORLD Now I wonder who got their hands on the original, or if they died and it is in an attic somewhere.
There was one appearance of the 3-foot model during the second season that is worth mentioning. When the View-Master of "The Omega Glory" was shot in December 1967, the 3-foot model was used with the AMT model of the USS Enterprise for the cover photo of the View-Master package and another (3-D) photo in the story (the second photo was taken from a slightly different angle). The 3-foot model is in the foreground of the photo and represents the USS Enterprise; the AMT model is in the background of the photo and represents the USS Exeter. The AMT model is angled and lit so that we can't see the registry number or name on the model (which was NCC-1701 and Enterprise), because obviously the production team didn't want to have to build a new AMT model just for this one shot of the Exeter that wouldn't appear on air. That said, I've often wondered what registry they would have used for the Exeter if they had chosen to build a prop for this photo. It probably would have been some variation of 0, 1, 1, and 7, like NCC-1170. Do you think that would have been a better registry than the one they eventually used in the "remastered version" of TOS (NCC-1672)? I have to admit that I prefer 1170. 🙂
EDIT: I watched a few more of your videos and realized that you DID mention "The Omega Glory" models in one of the videos I hadn't seen when I wrote the above. Here's the video I'm talking about: ua-cam.com/video/8dcMm_uk1DY/v-deo.html
Sorry for the duplicate information I posted. I'm enjoying your videos and am waiting with great anticipation for your examination of the elusive Romulan Bird of Prey studio model! 👍
Hi Kenny! So nice to meet you!
No need to apologize at all. I would rather have over communications that under or wrong communications. You would be surprised at the amount of information I've collected in the past 6 months or so as I started this channel out.
I'm kinda shy to point out that this was one of my real early videos. Actually it is kind of crazy. The videos on Trek took off almost immediately and the channel is growing so fast that I can't reply to all the comments now. Not like I used to. But every now and then one catches my eye.
Your question on the registry numbers actually reminded me about something I have in a Matt Jefferies interview where he actually talked about coming up with the numbers. And he said something I had never heard before or since.
He said that to be sure the numbers could be easily read on screen and not mistaken for others. So in order to do that, he would not use the numbers 3, 6, 8, & 9.
That was brilliant. And yet, even though it was in an interview he did for the old Star Trek Communicator magazine; no one else ever bothered to make a note of that at the time. And now that he has since passed on; most fans will never know it.
@@TREK-WORLD To better explain why I said the "View-Master" Exeter registry would have used 0, 1, 1, and 7 if the prop crew had made a special model for those shots -- these would have been the only numbers available to the prop crew because those were the only numbers on the AMT decal sheet. (That's why the Constellation's registry was NCC-1017, as you explained in your other video). Regarding your comment about 3, 6, 8, and 9 -- you're exactly right (or to be more precise, Matt Jefferies was exactly right 🙂), these numbers are hard to read. To this day, it's difficult to decipher some of the registry numbers on the wall chart in Commodore Stone's office on Starbase 11 (in "Court-Martial") because some of those registries include 3, 6, 8, and 9.
@@TREK-WORLD They do now if they watch your content friend.
There's another Lost Enterprise that not a lot of people know about. "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield says something about Matt Jefferies cobbling together a small, four- or five-inch maquette out of balsa. Modding up a complex shape like the Enterprise out of balsa, however, would be such a complex task that I can easily imagine Matt using found objects, like jar lids, bottle caps, old markers, and popsicle sticks.
I'm tempted to build one like that myself.
There sure was! Before we wrap up Season 1on 60s Trek; I'm hoping to do a final single-video round up of what became of each of the models. The 4" model is the stuff of legend. Some say it was given to the Smithsonian, some say it was lost. I'm hoping I can find some reputable sources that cane give some insight.
@@TREK-WORLD Thanks for your reply. Here's a suggestion for a future topic: How about a video about Albert Whitlock's matte paintings? The fortress on Rigel VII for "The Cage," re-used as Flint's castle in "Requiem for Methuselah," the lithium cracking station for "WNMHGB," which was revised for "Dagger of the Mind," and so on...
Point taken! It's not the first time the mattes have come up.
0:54 *far* more than 3 models were built for the TV series. the 11 footer went through 3 versions, as did the 3 footer. At least 3 modified 18" AMT kits were used to represent Enterprise (Trouble w Tribbles), 2 other damaged Starships in other eps, and a fleet of 4 in Ultimate Computer.
In addition, at least 2 or 3 versions of an approx 3" high model were made... one being the very first rough draft before the 33" , and one being the one used voodoo-style in "Catspaw".
Correct! The other props were made by Matt to be used as "extras" in an episode; as you pointed out. However, only two models were ever built as studio models for being used up close. None of the other models had the detail required to do so.
That 18 inch was used in the space battle in the doom day machine as the damaged constellation
The model showed at 3:21 must be still ANOTHER one! Oddly, the OUTSTANDING scene where this model was used in the 2nd pilot, coming out of the light barrier was cut/never shown in '70s & later reruns - in the NYC area , at least.
NOTE THE HUGE BOLD LETTERING ON TOP OF THE SAUCER! & the lack of points sticking out on the front of the unlighted nacelles. So what IS this model?!
I always thought it was odd how many were killed (9 dead! - how did they know so soon about that?) going through the barrier. & why couldn't they fly underneath or above it!
0:12 The way the ship flies in and turns to it's top side...
Always thought that scene would be awesome for firing their weapons in a battle sequence.
It's funny. Reading your comment immediately reminded me of Spock's observation about Kahn's battle strategy being two dimensional in The Wrath of Kahn. In the original series, they always fired phase and photon torpedoes straight ahead or straight behind. The kind of shot your describing was used in later Star Trek series. But there was no reason they couldn't have done it back then except for the lack of creative thinking. Also, most of the weapon shots were reused to keep production costs down.
I call that the "Citizen Kane Shot," because it echoes the shot where the camera approaches the nightclub, goes up the wall, thorough the sign, and down through the skylight.
Its an 18" amt kit in the background of the phase ii shots
I always assumed Roddenberry had it hidden somewhere
I do enjoy your videos, even though you are not always correct. As for the current location of the '3 foot'? Try asking the Smithsonian. I believe that they even might possess the first prototype wood version,. And they are also in possession of the Catspaw mini metal prop. The Smithsonian is notorious for not divulging full contents of collections.
Actually, the Smithsonian never got the 3 foot model. I've even got a memo now from Roddenberry mentioning that he loaned it out to someone and couldn't remember to whom.
And yes, they do have both of the metal 3" ones and the 4" wooden one. I haven't ever seen a photo of the 4" one that I could validate. But I do intend to wrap up a small video on these little guys; and when I do, I will check with someone that will know if any reference photos were shot of it over the years.
I may do a video just on their collection, so that we can review in one place the different ship models they have in their possession.
I learn more and more every day about this stuff, as the videos spread enough that "inside" folks have reached out in encouragement. I sometimes fee like a kid in a candy shop. lol.
I will probably do some final wrap up videos at the end of season 1 to review the mistakes I've made, and the additional information I've documented or learned since the earlier videos were made.
This is a good, short, concise video. I'm looking forward to future installments. I'm anxious to know if the Romanian ship was stepped on or disintegrated in Roddenberry's pool - I've heard both versions.
Thanks for the comment. The funny thing is that when I was a child (a literal millennia ago ), I always thought the so-called Romulan-Klingon alliance that gave Klingon ships to the Romulans didn't make any sense to me. It would be years later before I found out the real production reason. But why didn't they take more stock footage? Ah well.... that'll definitely be a question I cover in the video. lol.
That's the first time I ever seen the Jeffery Hunter photo of him as Pike holding the Enterprise model.
I've seen both Shatner and Nimoy photos lots of times before.
Great video. I was always interested in Wah Chang and his influences on the the the props including the Romulin bird of pray. He isn't credited for his work because of S.A.G. But he was instrumental in the design of the communicators and phasers.
Thanks for sharing! I will be doing a video on his work in the near future. He really was incredible; but he is almost like a "ghost" because of the union situation that you mentioned. It was a travesty that his name didn't become well known to fans.
A good video but...the 33 inch model had a different shape on the underside of the saucer and the small model behind the phase 2 model does not match it.you also have the wrong date for the first pilot.it was made in 1964 and the second pilot was 1965. You have a nice selection of pics here especially the ones with Gene Roddenberry and Jeff Hunter.
Actually the silhouette side shot in Tomorrow is Yesterday is the 11 footer. Look for the flashing formation lights on the saucer.
You're right! I didn't catch it at first; but the 3ft model was only used for the "at angle" footage. The "side" footage was the 11 foot model.
@@TREK-WORLD I also believe the behind underneath shot was the 11 footer.
I'm actually in the middle of setting up a new set of videos that will show every appearance of each model by episode. The more I dug into it; the more I found that there were exceptions and such. That episode is a good example since they mixed the 3ft and 11ft in the same scenes. something I hadn't considered at first.
@@leerilea1709 Hi there! I am actually working on a video right now which will show every bit of 3ft model footage ever filmed as well as the CGI replacements for that footage. It should be up in about two weeks or so. As it turns out; it appears that the side-on views were obviously the 11 foot. But the other shots (there were two) were the 3 foot. Anyhow, watch for the video release as it will be higher quality and better to evaluate.
LOVE your Star Trek videos!!!
Thanks for the kind words. I'm having a blast researching them. It takes me back to my childhood. Anything to take my mind off world events.
@@TREK-WORLD I hear ya!
Only one small criticism: It's "nacelle". ;-)
Good stuff, I have subbed. I will let you know when I am goint to post build logs.
Please do!
I wonder if Greg Jein has it.
"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man".
From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. UFP
maybe Gene JR has the model?
Thought Kirk stole her in search for spock.
😀
I was looking for a comment like that. 😊👍
We know who took it🤫
Stopping the fan and turning his head like something is there is pure genius.
The idea of a guy walking into the night after the supernatural , is head and shoulders above most other shows.
It's ranks with Twilight Zone ,
Outter limits, one step beyond.
If only some writer had half the
Testosterone giving him the
Toxic masculinity to be half the man
It takes to write a convincing monster , and bring it to life and send a night stalker after him.
You are 100% on track! If you haven't subscribed, please do. I have something coming up soon that demonstrates your exact same sentiments concerning what a second season of The Night Stalker could have looked like storywise.
Great video. Question, what became of the unfinished Phase II model? Was that also lost to the ages?
To be honest, I'm not sure at this moment. I've seen lots of info leading up to the decision to start over with a different model; but I need to do research to see where things may have really left off. I plan to have a video specifically on the Phase II model(s). But I haven't finalized the exact release schedule yet. So I'm not too sure when I will be in the research phase on that one.
@@TREK-WORLD The Don Loos Phase II model was finished later on and went on display at a Planet Hollywood restaurant. It was modified to more closely resemble the 8 foot model built for The Motion Picture. Copies using the original molds were made to make more for display at other Planet Hollywood restaurants.
The easiest way to spot the differences is the nacelles are clearly the Phase II style and overall the model lacks the detailing of the TMP model.
Uh...Kirk stole the Enterprise!! Well, Kirk, Scotty, Chekov and Sulu!
Then they blew it up over Genesis!!!
Have you seen the united states space force logo?...wonderful homage
Absolutely!
How about doing a vid about the different models of "Seaview" from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea?
I'll put it on my list! Thanks for the suggestion. I've thought about possibly doing a limited run on the Irwin Allen stuff that was so Iconic back then.
The new model kits come with all three pieces for the nacelle s
You can make any one of the 3
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I did not know that! I made my own round end caps for the nacelles, years ago.
When I looked at the restored ship in the Smithsonian ~2016, There was a "stick" type phaser emitter on the center bottom of the saucer, but I was unsure when this was used in shooting. Cannot see it anywhere on screen as far as I can tell.
Curious. I am in production now for the next of these videos which covers the four Smithsonian restorations. I'll have to keep an eye open for that. I wasn't aware of it and can't think what it was supposed to be. Especially with the Okuda's involvement.
@@TREK-WORLD I will try to find a photo of it...
@@TREK-WORLD zoom into the photo bottom of saucer for the emitter. This might have been in the animated but not sure if it is in the actual shooting TOS model... Though it probanly would not have shown up ...
So, I am still digging...... But while reading *way* too much material on the Smithsonian restorations.... I stumbled across a mention of an "emitter" on the underside of the saucer. But it was a real small "blink and you'll miss it" mention with no photos. Let me know if you can find something on it. I will keep looking. I would love to get a pic and highlight it in the upcoming video.
@@TREK-WORLD i pasted a link to a picture the other day, but wonder if YT deletes links to web sites in comments?
Always wondered..what does NCC mean?
Naval Construction Contract. It was first documented in The Making of Star Trek. NX stands for Naval Experiment; but I am not sure where that was first documented.
@@TREK-WORLD According to the Franz Joseph blueprints sold thru the fan outlet back in the 70s, the entire label including the suffix number stood for "Naval Contract Construction Number."
Which model of the Enterprise ended up in a pool?
None of the actual Enterprise models ended up in a pool; although some folks may have heard that in connection with the missing 33" model.
But there's a "destroyed in a pool" legend around at least one of the other studio models - the Romulan bird of prey. I guess I'll cover that in that video later.
@@TREK-WORLD cool thanks. I could have swarn I’ve seen a photo in a book long ago, and it was a large model, around 6 feet. It may have had something to do with Matt Jefferies, like I said long time ago. I’ll do some digging.
@@devjaxvid If you find something; let me know. I believe that one of the Refit studio models was 6 feet. But I haven't started my research yet on those. It's crazy, but even after over 50 years you can still find things that most fans don't know. I have something I uncovered in the Galileo video I'm doing right now that contradicts a commonly held belief. No spoilers now though. Got to wait for the video. lol. Be sure to subscribe so you get notified when it is released.
There was a youtube video that had a fan made enterprise tooling around underwater as if it were maneuvering in space. It is marvelous!
Hmmm.... That contact sheet at the 4:18 mark looks familiar.....sources ?
Hi! I'm not entirely sure about who took the photos; but my guess is it would have been the Howard Anderson folks as I don't think that the Film Effects folks ever did effects shots with the 3 foot model. It could have been Datin, but I haven't seen alot of materials from the family's personal collection.
@@TREK-WORLD well.. I was being a bit subtle... That sheet and the negs are in my collection
@J B In that case, I was more than happy to remove the slide. I wish I could tell you what their sources were; almost certainly probably on Pintrest; which is where I found almost every one of the photos in the video. I found the one sheet as well as what appear to be several crops. Obviously, if you kept the negatives after all these years I wouldn't want to possibly devalue them. With very little exception, it is next to impossible to identify how private collection photos are leaked.
Hi there! I've actually been able to track your contact sheet down. So at least you have some idea of where the leak's from. It is indeed on pintrest without any attribution. Here's the link : www.pinterest.com/pin/556827941436181599/.
I think you may be able to ask for a takedown. But it may be on any number of sites now that he had put it up. He apparently has at least one of the actual full sized prints up as well. If I can help in any way, please let me know. Good luck!
@@TREK-WORLD Appreciate the effort, it's out there now... and is being shared. I've got the negatives. Keep it in on your site as it ads a bit of value to your piece on the 3 footer.
Have ever eaten at JACKS BBQ?
Never had the opportunity. Do you recommend it? I know it's just downtown in Nashville - but we locals try to stay away from the Broadway area unless its.a special occasion.
You left out the real story. Gene brought the 3ft model home, and his son threw it in the pool. It got ruined. 20 years ago, I worked for Unobtainium where we built replicas of the 3ft model, and that's what Matt Jefferies and Mike Okuda, etc told us. It got destroyed in the water. It no longer exists :(
Mike still trying to deflect suspicion form himself telling that old chestnut? 🤣
@@phonotical😂