Mike - "Some containers weigh more than a ton each" According to Google an empty 20 Footer (Small one) weighs 2 tons and full 25 tons. Larger ones even more
More than a ton each. WAY more than a ton each. It is pretty amazing to me the Dali isn't sinking at the bow from the weight of all that bridge superstructure..
It is embarrassing to see television dummies spreading false information through their own stupidity. Producers don't check facts because they don't care.
Keep in mind you have to rule out other common causes. NTSB has a team of staff experts as well as contractors looking at the ship. In addition they have to publish recommendation on related issues identified like the protection of bridge foundations.
The video shows a major ship-handling error immediately after power was restored as the actual cause of the collision. I still want to know what were the first 2 commands given in ship's pilothouse after power was restored, because that's when they really lost control of the ship & it began turning sharply enough to hit the bridge. Again: "prop-walking" is a thing. The electrical system certainly failed, but it was the response to that situation that brought about the collision.
As an Electrician Mate 2nd class , I knew the electrical system was at fault , breakers tripping, could have been a "Loose connection" never PMS'd since it was built. Basic stuff.
Ya’ll need to focus on why there was jack shit for a fender system/barrier islands around the at least 4 center piers. Funny how the little power poles were protected. Focus people.
2:15 "New 3D imaging shows part of the bridge fell to the very bottom of the channel" Where did you think it was sitting? Where do they find these "journalists"?
it might sound "obvious", but depending on how it fell and the position of the pieces in plus the shape of the channel, some of the pieces might not sit all the way at the bottom; if you look at some of the 3d imagery you'll see this to be true.
@@quantumslip Every single piece of bridge that fell in the channel is sitting on the bottom. The only pieces not on the bottom are laying across Dali. If they're not on the bottom, what exactly do you think they're sitting on?
We want ANSWERS to the Dali's electrical problems that were not resolved at dock so who/ why greenlighted the Dali for a 27 day voyage to Sri Lanka. Halfway around the world but couldn't get out of Baltimore?
@@user-co7fb6qe5w The preliminary NTSB report will be out in a month or two, the final report will be out in a year or two. You say you want ANSWERS, but you're not willing to wait for a thorough investigation?
@@stargazer7644 preliminary obvious answers should be step one. If I drive my car negligently and hit a bridge killing innocent people and causing major damage, the police arenot going to let me go home without a peep of responsibility to report to victims, the public and the officers superiors. Any other answer is ludicrous.
@@user-co7fb6qe5w And if you were to do that, your responsibility in the matter would not be determined until your case went to trial. It wouldn't be determined before you go home. Why are you in such a hurry to rush to a judgement before the investigation is complete? Why are you so certain this has a simple answer? Major disasters like this are rare because we have a layered approach of redundant processes where multiple steps are supposed to prevent things like this occurring. Even if one of the steps fail, other steps still work. For something like this to happen, an unlikely series of multiple failures in those processes have to line up. We call this the "swiss cheese model of system failures". It takes time to be certain of all the facts and to know what failures took place so they can be prevented in the future. In this case you might need (as an example): 1. An unusual electrical configuration of the containers on the ship that triggers a previously unknown software bug in an industrial power controller to trip a breaker taking a generator offline 2.This overloads its partner generator and shuts it down too. 3. Routine maintenance of the emergency generator in port left it in a state where it didn't automatically start resulting in a complete power failure. 4. Once power was restored the pilot or the master followed the standard operating procedure for a total power outage of doing an emergency stop and ordered full reverse to stop the ship. The full reverse on the single screw ship has the double effect of turning the bow to starboard (due to prop walk) and stops water flow over the rudder making steering ineffective. As the ship decelerated it turned uncontrollably into the pylon and struck the bridge. 5. Due to the age of the design of the bridge, it didn't have crash barriers to protect it from a hit from a ship this big and the bridge collapsed. 6. Policies weren't in place to require tugs to escort large ships under the vulnerable bridge. 7. There was a work crew on the bridge and while police were able to stop traffic at each end of the bridge and get the cars off in time, there was no way to communicate with the construction crew to get them off the bridge, resulting in the deaths of 6 of the workers. At least 7 unlikely failures were there in that scenario that ALL had to happen for the people to die. All of the holes had to line up. These things usually aren't simple. The investigation takes time.
I gather that while the work is going on topside to remove as much of the mangled metal and concrete from the ship, divers are also hard at work underneath doing what they can in preparation to remove as much debris there.
Hyundai made the electrical system. Well there you go. When my Sonata had lots of miles on it the electrical system basically failed in multiple ways. Happened rather suddenly too.
There were early reports the ship was having electrical issues at the dock, related to the reefer containers on-board. Not surprised about that. What was done (or happened) during the outage will be another aspect of the tragedy.
You gonna talk about NTSB ELECTRICAL INVESTIGATION or moving containers?? Im NOT interested in containers. I want to know about the NTSB INVESTIGATION Dude! ESPECIALLY since another ship HAD SIMILAR POWER LOSS PROBLEMS and almost hit the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge in NY. SAYONARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NONE of the spokesmen in this clip inspire much confidence. Even the NTSB spokesman herself sounded fairly idiotic. What has happened to humanity? Where did all the smart people go??
Really, when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what happened on the ship. Why were the piers not better protected, the fault lies with the people who wouldn't spend the money protecting the bridge, not the ship.
They were popping circuit breakers they thought they fixed it to much money to protect the bridge baltimore Maryland screwed up dali crew done screwed up
Given the ship handling SNAFU AFTER power was restored, I just want to know which way the prop turns, & what orders were given in the pilothouse after the lights came back on. The electrical system didn't steer the ship into the bridge after power was restored, but a prop rotating counter-clockwise in reverse would.
@@robinsteararoadiary7576 Faulty containers tripping breakers would not make the entire ship go dark any more than your refrigerator tripping its breaker would make your neighborhood go dark.
They will find nothing wrong other than where someone took an axe and cut the power cables to the black box funny how ship would have missed the support if power wouldn’t have came back just in time to straighten it up go full power lights go out then boom goes the container ship
What? The electrical system was made by Hyundai -the same Hyundai dumping millions of vehicles with defective anti-theft ignition systems for over a decade that ended up the most stolen brand across the country.
This was no "Accident". Yes, there's still a fair ammount of blind sheep that think it was, but the majority of Americans call bullshit on it being a "mistake".
Yep, so many blind sheep. It smells very fishy and we don't know the half of it. Cars, heavy construction equipment, etc. can/are built to be shut down remotely ... maybe ships.
Besides never using Chinese steel again or container ships, how about partnering with our NATO ally Greece for large shipping to replace the awkward unweildy Chinese container ship idiocy?
When everyone tells you to watch 'this' hand. I'd watch the other hand...16 days and zero answers: who greenlighted the Dali as seaworthy? Hee electrical problems were not resolved when she was at porr. The free?ers kept tripping the breakers. Why did the escort tugs pull away from the Dali before she reached open water. Coincidentally the Dali lost all electrical power moments after the tugs disembarked from hee. Main power, back up power, emergency power all failed. Zero answers but look at the massive coverage with the salvage a d clean up operation. How much do those containers weigh? Where do these reporters get their info data? The White House?
Mike - "Some containers weigh more than a ton each" According to Google an empty 20 Footer (Small one) weighs 2 tons and full 25 tons. Larger ones even more
I came here to say the exact same thing an empty 40 footer is about 8000 pounds
Stupid journalists,we have tons of them here also
Talking head reporter. Thanks for saving me time by posting info.
More like 25-40 tons each.
More than a ton each. WAY more than a ton each. It is pretty amazing to me the Dali isn't sinking at the bow from the weight of all that bridge superstructure..
" focused on the electrical system of the ship" Glad to hear you're not testing the toilet tank floats.
Shipping containers weigh more than a ton each....😂😂...hell they weigh over 2 ton empty!! News reporter needs to study before he speaks
It is embarrassing to see television dummies spreading false information through their own stupidity. Producers don't check facts because they don't care.
Someone should tell CBS that one of those container are 2 tons empty. Can we trust anything on CBS .
8775# empty
I'm getting sick of watching them offload the same container every day since Sunday. Lame.
They're fkn slow hey 😅
“ NTSB focuses on cargo ship's electrical issues”. Well, duh, isn’t that where they should start?
Keep in mind you have to rule out other common causes. NTSB has a team of staff experts as well as contractors looking at the ship. In addition they have to publish recommendation on related issues identified like the protection of bridge foundations.
That's why MSM sucks
A ship not even 10 years old should not have electrical issues...
@@JoeLinux2000 and you swallow.
The video shows a major ship-handling error immediately after power was restored as the actual cause of the collision. I still want to know what were the first 2 commands given in ship's pilothouse after power was restored, because that's when they really lost control of the ship & it began turning sharply enough to hit the bridge. Again: "prop-walking" is a thing. The electrical system certainly failed, but it was the response to that situation that brought about the collision.
As an Electrician Mate 2nd class , I knew the electrical system was at fault , breakers tripping, could have been a "Loose connection" never PMS'd since it was built. Basic stuff.
Ya’ll need to focus on why there was jack shit for a fender system/barrier islands around the at least 4 center piers. Funny how the little power poles were protected. Focus people.
The power poles were built much later. When the bridge was built 160,000 ton cargo ships didn't exist. So what's your F'ing point?
reporter is a dope.
2:15 "New 3D imaging shows part of the bridge fell to the very bottom of the channel" Where did you think it was sitting? Where do they find these "journalists"?
Just dumbing down the news so the MAGA crowd understands it.
it might sound "obvious", but depending on how it fell and the position of the pieces in plus the shape of the channel, some of the pieces might not sit all the way at the bottom; if you look at some of the 3d imagery you'll see this to be true.
@@quantumslip Every single piece of bridge that fell in the channel is sitting on the bottom. The only pieces not on the bottom are laying across Dali. If they're not on the bottom, what exactly do you think they're sitting on?
Concrete and steel have never been relied upon to float on the surface I assume anyway.
Slow process slow as molasses
That woman looks like shes desperately trying to remember what to say, becuase she has no idea what shes talking about
Government jobs have these perks I'm guessing.
Some containers are also over 6 feet long.
Why didn't they use tug boats to guide this large ship in and out of the port? Tug boats have been used for decades.
Or get the ship running, Exactly what i thought they would do
Not a requirement but should be. Amazing how many ports don't require it.
cost to much................
Tug boats would of not solved the issue.
38 yrs on tugs. The ship owners are too Cheap to pay a tug to stand by
We want ANSWERS to the Dali's electrical problems that were not resolved at dock so who/ why greenlighted the Dali for a 27 day voyage to Sri Lanka. Halfway around the world but couldn't get out of Baltimore?
You can stomp your little foot all you like. We'll find out when the NTSB report comes out.
@@stargazer7644 2029?
@@user-co7fb6qe5w The preliminary NTSB report will be out in a month or two, the final report will be out in a year or two. You say you want ANSWERS, but you're not willing to wait for a thorough investigation?
@@stargazer7644 preliminary obvious answers should be step one. If I drive my car negligently and hit a bridge killing innocent people and causing major damage, the police arenot going to let me go home without a peep of responsibility to report to victims, the public and the officers superiors. Any other answer is ludicrous.
@@user-co7fb6qe5w And if you were to do that, your responsibility in the matter would not be determined until your case went to trial. It wouldn't be determined before you go home. Why are you in such a hurry to rush to a judgement before the investigation is complete? Why are you so certain this has a simple answer?
Major disasters like this are rare because we have a layered approach of redundant processes where multiple steps are supposed to prevent things like this occurring. Even if one of the steps fail, other steps still work. For something like this to happen, an unlikely series of multiple failures in those processes have to line up. We call this the "swiss cheese model of system failures". It takes time to be certain of all the facts and to know what failures took place so they can be prevented in the future.
In this case you might need (as an example):
1. An unusual electrical configuration of the containers on the ship that triggers a previously unknown software bug in an industrial power controller to trip a breaker taking a generator offline
2.This overloads its partner generator and shuts it down too.
3. Routine maintenance of the emergency generator in port left it in a state where it didn't automatically start resulting in a complete power failure.
4. Once power was restored the pilot or the master followed the standard operating procedure for a total power outage of doing an emergency stop and ordered full reverse to stop the ship. The full reverse on the single screw ship has the double effect of turning the bow to starboard (due to prop walk) and stops water flow over the rudder making steering ineffective. As the ship decelerated it turned uncontrollably into the pylon and struck the bridge.
5. Due to the age of the design of the bridge, it didn't have crash barriers to protect it from a hit from a ship this big and the bridge collapsed.
6. Policies weren't in place to require tugs to escort large ships under the vulnerable bridge.
7. There was a work crew on the bridge and while police were able to stop traffic at each end of the bridge and get the cars off in time, there was no way to communicate with the construction crew to get them off the bridge, resulting in the deaths of 6 of the workers.
At least 7 unlikely failures were there in that scenario that ALL had to happen for the people to die. All of the holes had to line up. These things usually aren't simple. The investigation takes time.
Simply putting it, this was a mega disaster.
I gather that while the work is going on topside to remove as much of the mangled metal and concrete from the ship, divers are also hard at work underneath doing what they can in preparation to remove as much debris there.
Hyundai made the electrical system. Well there you go. When my Sonata had lots of miles on it the electrical system basically failed in multiple ways. Happened rather suddenly too.
does the ship have power restored ?
There were early reports the ship was having electrical issues at the dock, related to the reefer containers on-board. Not surprised about that. What was done (or happened) during the outage will be another aspect of the tragedy.
You gonna talk about NTSB ELECTRICAL INVESTIGATION or moving containers??
Im NOT interested in containers. I want to know about the NTSB INVESTIGATION Dude!
ESPECIALLY since another ship HAD SIMILAR POWER LOSS PROBLEMS and almost hit the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge in NY.
SAYONARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The media dumbs everything down
There's been more than one container removed
No $hit.
They don't want people to see the progress.
@@stargazer7644 I said that because someone said there's only been 1 moved.
A 53 foot container weighs 11000 lbs empty
More than a ton...!
Channel will be open soon enough. The rest will take YEARS!
NONE of the spokesmen in this clip inspire much confidence. Even the NTSB spokesman herself sounded fairly idiotic. What has happened to humanity? Where did all the smart people go??
Hyundai you mean like the company that made the bad car engines?
That’s funny I was thinking the same thing lol
I hope that safety is not being compromised. How do you safely dredge when there’s a gas line below?
I'm sure they dredge the channel often.
Really, when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what happened on the ship. Why were the piers not better protected, the fault lies with the people who wouldn't spend the money protecting the bridge, not the ship.
They were popping circuit breakers they thought they fixed it to much money to protect the bridge baltimore Maryland screwed up dali crew done screwed up
Getting closer to figuring out why
I hope they look at the computer logs, internet logs and all wireless communications.
That should be a super priority.
Given the ship handling SNAFU AFTER power was restored, I just want to know which way the prop turns, & what orders were given in the pilothouse after the lights came back on. The electrical system didn't steer the ship into the bridge after power was restored, but a prop rotating counter-clockwise in reverse would.
Ships should have a electrician on aboard . that crew was clueless !
It's not like they're wiring the ship.
The refrigerator containers were tripping the circuit breakers while it was still at port as reported two weeks ago by dock workers.
@@stargazer7644 any dumb ass can restart a circuit breaker ,
@@robinsteararoadiary7576 Faulty containers tripping breakers would not make the entire ship go dark any more than your refrigerator tripping its breaker would make your neighborhood go dark.
Reporter “It’s going to be a tough long road ahead” referring to removal the rubble, If you pardon the pun
they call containers 20t teu in oztralia, makes evergiven running aground small hiccup,
34 containers is one an hour or less.
A container is 2 tons with nothing in it!!!
They will find nothing wrong other than where someone took an axe and cut the power cables to the black box funny how ship would have missed the support if power wouldn’t have came back just in time to straighten it up go full power lights go out then boom goes the container ship
NTSB 40 years late to the conversation of pier protection.
Come on! This was common sense engineering.
NTSB is not responsible for port security and engineering
162,000 ton cargo ships didn't exist when this bridge was built. So please, enthrall us with your "common sense".
In the 2007 ship vs bridge olympics: Team Fenders 1 Cosco Busan 0
Someone body wanted to take out that bridge. I never felt this was an accident.
Remote control of electronics needs to be examined.
She only cares about the 6 workers
And her paycheck 🎉
What? The electrical system was made by Hyundai -the same Hyundai dumping millions of vehicles with defective anti-theft ignition systems for over a decade that ended up the most stolen brand across the country.
All Corporate interests will investigate themselves and determine that they did nothing wrong .
Tax payers eat the bill.
This was no "Accident". Yes, there's still a fair ammount of blind sheep that think it was, but the majority of Americans call bullshit on it being a "mistake".
I cannot even imagine how your brain works. How do you even manage to think to breathe in the morning when you get up?
@@stargazer7644 the terror attack in Moscow was a couple days prior
Yep, so many blind sheep. It smells very fishy and we don't know the half of it. Cars, heavy construction equipment, etc. can/are built to be shut down remotely ... maybe ships.
@@TrutherOne-xv8nr7yj3e It is so ironic that the phrase "blind sheep" should so often come out of the mouth of utterly clueless individuals.
Besides never using Chinese steel again or container ships, how about partnering with our NATO ally Greece for large shipping to replace the awkward unweildy Chinese container ship idiocy?
The ship was out of Singapore, not China.
Most likely built in china.
The information WJZ provides is stunning and fascinating. Stay with it.
No, it isn't. It's a pedestrian effort at best. Both the reporting and analysis are really elementary and get a lot of it wrong.
High school quality.
lol lol they are going to milk this story for years to come!
Yeah, it's been a couple weeks and they're still talking about it!!
This is America with a ten second attention span, move on already!!!
When everyone tells you to watch 'this' hand. I'd watch the other hand...16 days and zero answers: who greenlighted the Dali as seaworthy? Hee electrical problems were not resolved when she was at porr. The free?ers kept tripping the breakers.
Why did the escort tugs pull away from the Dali before she reached open water. Coincidentally the Dali lost all electrical power moments after the tugs disembarked from hee. Main power, back up power, emergency power all failed. Zero answers but look at the massive coverage with the salvage a d clean up operation. How much do those containers weigh? Where do these reporters get their info data? The White House?
@@user-co7fb6qe5w This will be a shell game for the future of the Governor and others who will make millions on this?
Anything to keep us away from news on Biden antics.