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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- I received lots of interesting comments on my Zero DSR/X video, so here's a follow-up to that. Come ride with me!
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Hey man, I did a road trip in August on my electric bike from the UK to Slovenia over the alps. It was epic, I couldn't be happier so there's some good news out there! I came away from that trip satisfied that electric bikes aren't coming or near or whatever else people keep putting in clickbait titles, they're here, they've arrived. I've put like 50 miles on my gas bike in the last year and 9300 on my Ribelle and honestly, the gas bike is just waiting in my garage for a good home to send it to.
Dude NICE!!! That's the kinda story I love to hear. Good going!! I truly believe Energica is the only electric motorcycle company building stuff that we can compare to gas bikes. Everybody else is super far behind.
It's simple, I see a NewZeroland video, I thumbs up.
Haha you're the best. Thank you always :D
Your DSR/X Video was in my opinion spot-on, exactly how I feel things are going at Zero. While still being a Zero rider myself.
Thanks! It's frustrating watching a company I was a huge fan of fall behind. Hopefully they turn things around soon.
You were spot on correct. The company itself is nearly impossible to work with. They will threaten your warranty. They will give assistance by saying take it to the dealer. The sales are so poor, the aftermarket will never make the upgrades that enthusiasts desire. It's a cool creature, I've got 2 of em. 50% love it, 50% bout to sell em lol
@@xhaustedyt aw man hahaha that's brutal XD I hope your bikes last longer than mine did!
@@xhaustedyt Zero has 340 dealers listed on their website worldwide. If they had to solve every customer's issue directly from the factory, how many people do you think they would need? And what exactly would they be able to do for you from CA if you need some kind of electrical part replaced or needed to have a computer connection to the bike to diagnose the problem?
@@j_k9643 of those 340 dealers how many actually possess a motorcycle and someone who has worked with them?
In my case they could easily solve my problem by allowing me to alter the software for the performance capabilities it has within it.
I can buy the obd connector, and can open the zero program. That's what the dealer (well some of them) has. But they are extremely limited in what can be changed. If one could harness the actual power the battery possess it would be a holeshot monster. As far as parts go, I have needed none. Haven't had that awful experience yet 😂.
If you secretly work for them and have access to what I desire I'll pay you.
I actually love these things, so don't take it like I'm bashing them to death. I'm giving an opinion from personal experience. And agreeing with newzeroland.
I did a road trip recently around England on my Zero S. I covered 2,153 miles in 11 days and was in no particular hurry as I had several weeks off work. But over the course of those 11 days I spent 36 hours and 54 minutes charging (I checked on the pod-point app) with the charge tank fitted to my bike. As much as I love riding my Zero, I will not be buying another electric bike until I can get one with better range and CCS charging. I've been considering buying a Honda CB500X or a Suzuki V-Strom 650 to go touring on and just keeping the zero for commuting. The Energica Experia is a step in the right direction but it is far too expensive for most people. I just wish the the big 4 japanese manufacturers would actually pull their fingers out and start making electric bikes to give us consumers more choice.
I understand, Ray. Zeros are definitely the best commuters you can buy. Doing a long trip like that sounds epic! Great effort :D I really hope we can get to the point where people don't need 2 bikes.. where a gas bike for road trips isn't necessary. We need to get there soon!
I'm happy someone's talking about this. I have owned two zeros and an energica. You cannot be more spot-on.
Cheers man! So many people are pissed about my past 2 videos so I'm glad you're on board. Somebody has to tell the truth!
My 2015 Zero SR is still going strong. But when the day comes, I'm looking at either LiveWire or Energica.
Nice!! Keep that thing as long as you can :D
My 2018 SR is still going strong as well.
How many miles on it?
@@Diap842IV Just a bit below 16k.
@@usmcsaxoki If you’ve had no trouble, you have one of the good ones. Congratulations.
Wow,Fantastic 10K Subscribers !!! It just keeps more Amazing, congrats !!!
Thanks!! Can't stop now 😁
Cant wait for the biggggggg project man , keep it coming dude! Not hating on you for giving objective reviews over here. Thanks for your time man.
Cheers man! I can't believe I announced the car conversion 9 months ago and still haven't started it haha, but I've been collecting parts and getting ready for it. The next few months are going to be really interesting.
Energica are single handedly saving EV motorcycles atm, with the experia have so much realistic range and the ribella. Thats the sort of advancement zero should be leading with their market share. Instead they have stagnated and sitting still, but thanks to the PR machine and the press, they still appear at the front. Your comparison between the old DSR and DSR/X was actually very kind, considering the battery on the DSR/X is 17.3Kw and the DSR you had was 10Kw. So zero bikes are actually getting worse
Man thanks so much! You're spot on. When people think of electric motorcycles, they think of Zero, so Zero has a huge responsibility to uphold.
Energica maybe its the top but it can't lift the electric motorcycling all by itself. Its expensive, and for experienced riders.
The "Energica inside" drivetrain for smaller commuters still its just a blanc announcement.
We need all the brands to contribute and more electrics on the roads if we want to have some impact and change peoples minds.
The market has flooded with Chinese brands and thankfully some Spain brands, but where are the Japanese (Honda, Yamaha, Susuki, Kawasaki) and the traditional companies? What about Koreans (Sym and Kymco)?
Livewire got the memo and it's preparing commuters, BMW only targets the heavy and luxury market (BMW CE-04) 400cc equivalent and above.
Ducati developed a racing bike, but no comment about mass production.
@@eyangelosmixalopoulos2740 true that! We definitely need more options. More pizza choices. More affordable pizza, too.
You are absolutely right about Zero. Nice video, keep up the good work!
Cheers!
Very well put. I've had so many problems with my srs, been waiting for a replacement battery since May and keep getting promises for visits that don't happen. I really need to get around to my upload but really can't be bothered. I'm just lucky that worst case, I can afford to just set fire to it.
Holy crap you need a whole new battery?? I thought it was a smaller issue. WOW man. I'm so sorry to hear that. This is the kinda stuff I'm worried about changing the way people think about electric motorcycles :[ A battery replacement is not ok.
Congrats on 10K! I think it's natural for people to get zinged when their brand gets burnished a bit, especially if they've had positive experiences with it. I would say that had Zero done more to fix the issues, probably wouldn't have a bad taste in your mouth, that's certainly how I felt. Their customer service was always kind and courteous, but they did not make up for what I felt were serious issues with the design. Lack of CCS on any bike going forward is a recipe to leave it in the past, especially when CCS becomes the norm. Great to see you back on the road! Also, we DO need more pizza.
Thanks bro! Yep, I hope Zero tries to fix their issues first, instead of just hoping you'll buy the new model. That's Apple's formula, and bikes are expensive. I haven't brought up the Del Mar yet.. but man if that thing had CCS, it would be a game changer. It would be the ultimate lightweight fun bike to blast around on AND road trip on (albeit with lots of stops)... but they left out what made the first Livewire so good. Onward to the pizza revolution!
Really like your content. You hit on something that many of us are really looking and waiting for - a smaller “dirt” type electric motorcycle with decent range and super fast charging. My first electric was a Segaway x260 which I quickly modified with a larger battery, new controller and actually got it street legal here in the US. Such a blast to ride, but still not what I was looking for. I just recently picked up a 2021 DSR and I absolutely love it. Most of my riding is on twisty forest service roads in the mountains, which the DSR is great for, however if I could find something in the middle in terms of weight with slightly more range and fast charging, I’d trade the Zero in a heartbeat. The DSR/X and Experia are just too heavy for my personal goals, but not everyone is looking for that. For those that are, a lighter weight bike with good range and fast charging would be a huge hit. Take the Stark Varg, add more range and DC fast charging and you’d have a winner. In the end everyone has different riding goals so pick the best electric you can today and just enjoy it because they are simply a blast to ride. (Now silently praying my new Zero doesn’t give me any problems 😄).
Dude haha, as I was reading your comment, I was ready to reply "Stark Varg with DC charging" and then you said it 😂 Yep, that's what we're missing, and nobody wants to make it. The lightweight big with a medium sized battery but 30min fast charging. Everybody is so obsessed with range that we're ending up with huge, heavy batteries. As the charging speed improves, the need for range goes away.
Nice vid, Love riding that road,. Got me all itching to ride now think i might head out!, all the inspiration i needed lol. Bring on the trackday!!
Thanks bro!! I wish it wasn't raining all weekend or I'd be out there RIGHT NOW!
@@NewZeroland hey theres plenty of room on my scooter bro join the party 🥳 hahaha 😂 she goesss haaaaaard. Not r1 status but close!
@@JBDesignNz HAHAHA way too dangerous for me. I'll stick to my lithium bomb on wheels.
Thanks for the video. Spot on
Cheers!
Congrats on 10k. That's awesome. And who doesn't want better pizza? CCS is like adding pepperoni. Sure, cheese is okay, but mo' toppings is even better.
Thanks man! Your channel is growing like crazy, too. Almost to 1k already! And haha that's a great way to look at it. More toppings, please.
The algorithm threw your channel at me and I am glad it did. I have been riding bikes since 1981 and they went past being a passion a long time ago, into being an obsession. As a dyed in the wool petrol bike guy, I have not pulled the trigger on an electric machine yet. I am, however, not in any way against them and have ridden a couple which were a lot of fun.
I also watch Marc Travels and he has peaked my interest a little but also confirmed to me that the time is still not yet right for me to make the switch. His life is full time riding and making UA-cam videos about it. This is a great life and I wish him all the best in it. I, like most people, do not have unlimited time to spend riding the bike and when I go on a trip then I very often want to cover more miles in a day than the electric bike is able to do. Or, if it can do it then it is going to take so much longer which is fine as a rest is a good thing but sitting outside a supermarket, drinking over priced coffee three or four times a day while the bike charges is not the kind of stop I may want to be doing.
I like the honesty in your video, and am glad that you are not preaching whilst still putting your point across. I live in the Czech Republic and the price of a new Zero seems to be higher than the US Dollar figure you showed in your previous video I watched. I am also not convinced that the charging infrastructure here is good enough that I can assume it will always be working to make trips. The very fact I have even looked in to it shows I am interested and I do not frown on the day when I shall inevitably get one. In my version of the real world then an electric bike would be suffice for about 65% of the actual rides I go on but I am not ready to sacrifice the other 35% and they are far too expensive, as is electricity here just now, to splash the cash on a novelty.
I wish you and electric bikes all the very best and look forward, with an open mind, to seeing where this all goes.
Wow, thanks for the comment! I appreciate hearing your take on this topic. Which electric motorcycles have you ridden? Although Zeros aren't getting closer to replacing gas bikes, I feel like other electrics are. I don't think it'll take much longer for Energica to build something that will solve the long distance riding problem. Fortunately the charging infrastructure where you are looks amazing already, so it's only a matter of time!
@@NewZeroland - thanks for the reply. After looking at your video I did search for a local Energica dealer but there are none in this country. I, of course, know of them and their bikes through their supply of the Moto E machines. I am in no doubt that the range issue shall be solved and relatively soon. I have less faith in the speed of them being able to develop the infrastructure required for mass adoption, in a timely manner. On paper we have a reasonable network in this country but I am not so confident about the percentage of chargers that may be working at any given time. It is all conjecture at this moment in time, however. For sure the next bike I buy will not be electric, as I am planning it for early 2023 and the Moto Guzzi Mandello V100 is looking like it shall fit the bill. The elapsed time between it and the next one shall allow the technology, and logistics, to have evolved many fold and who knows what shall happen then. As for the bikes I have ridden - the first was the Vectrix when it was launched a number of years back and I had it on test for a few hours. It was a real novelty then and of course the instant torque was impressive but it really was an impractical tool, unless you lived in a city which I do not. I also remember it being pretty heavy for what it was, and devilishly expensive. The second was more recent, being the KTM Freeride, which was an absolute blast. I did mainly ride it off road, on the moto cross track and had an absolute hoot with it. It was a road registered version and I did a few kilometres on it but it was a lot more enjoyable off road. There is no doubt that an electric bike can put a smile on the face for the time that it is being ridden. The EICMA show is about to happen in Milan, so I shall see what new releases may come out of that, and who knows something may be of interest. I believe CF Moto will showcase a new electric bike there but if it is a scooter or a bike I just do not know. We shall see.
Great video Sam. All your comments on Zero are true and sadly warranted. I've seen similar comments over here in the UK. For me a bike needs to perform and range on a bike that's electric is a big deal. The other thing about Zero is the customer service or should I say like the brand name zero customer service. Totally agree with what you've said. I enjoyed the ride by the way. Brought back memories of my visits to Wellington. See ya next time. I watch a lot of UA-cam on my smart TV so don't comment as much as I should. Appreciate all your videos! 😊
Thanks again, Gary! I'm planning a North Island trip over Christmas with my wife, so I'll have lots more scenery to share soon.
I love all your videos (content and the awesome presentation), and your videos made a contribution to me deciding to purchase a Zero (my initial SR).
However, some balanced feedback for what it's worth. As you say in this video, people should listen to those with relevant experience on the bike. Most of your videos so far came from personal experience, and they were compelling. But lately, especially in the last video and continued in this one (and in one previous spec bashing), it felt like a continued rant without even seeing the bike, much less riding it. Specs matter, but ride and feel matter a lot more (like your SR/F video would attest).
Even as a big fan of yours, I found your DSR/X video to be extremely negative *without even having seen the bike!* and the video was named *"DSR/X First impression"* - and this seemed like a rant about the company (yes, you do make theoretically valid points, but most of it is ranting about past bad experiences or the company). It put me off, and apparently others too. This video seems like another empty rant defending an rant. If you named your videos "Rants about Zero with no personal experience about the DSR/X", the content would be spot on.
Everybody needs to course correct occasionally - I hope that you can consider some of the negative feedback as constructive and go back to more videos based on actual personal experience.
- Thanks for the videos, a big fan of yours
Keep up the videos brother. All great points.
Cheers man! Hope all is well over there :D
hey bud. love your honest review of zero really I do. there was one thing i followed up on. the frame. The dsrx is a bit different in frame. different as in it has been beefed up and reinforced and the swing arm is longer. soooo. i'll just put this here. i can't wait to see electric bikes really evolve!
Cheers man! Whoa.. longer swingarm I did not know about. That's cool to hear. Let me know if you get a chance to test ride one!
I had a Zero DS. Right before the two year mark, my DC-DC converter went and it took quite some time for the part to come in and would have been very expensive had I not been within the warranty period within just a few days. I've since sold the bike. There was a lot to like about it, but I find myself riding my other bikes more and was kind of disappointed by things like range and crappy headlights considering the price. I don't know that I'd buy electric again, unless the price point gets closer to gas bikes. I enjoy your videos and you make many good points.
Thanks man! I've heard about that DC-DC issue a lot. Mine was due for a recall but Zero refused to send me the part haha. You're completely right that the biggest obstacle we need to overcome is price. Even with current specs, especially with Energica batteries, DC charging, and power, people are ready to go electric but can't justify a $20k+ bike. If they aren't in the market for a Ducati, they can't afford an Energica either.
Sam, your views on why you feel Zero has let the EV motorcycle community down is well understood. Like all things in life, we develop our feelings based on actual experience. Family, friends, jobs, and motorcycles are all colored by our own experiences. You had some pretty terrible experiences; I had none. I enjoyed my time with the 2017 DSR with Charge Tank I purchased used for 10.5k and rode it for 19 months and a few thousand miles. Took it on some light off-road adventures, but nothing like my pal Tucker and Mark did on their 1000-mile offroad excursion.
I was keen to see the Experia, but was a bit put off by the 3.x kW level 2 charge input. Yes, it has level 3 DC to DC but in some whom I spoke with the 24kW really came down to 20kW. And the last 10% charge took them into limp mode. Just like Zero. The DSR/X just didn’t have the range I was hoping for or the faster charge times. In the US even buying the extra 6.xkW means I’d have to find an AC charger that outputs 13kWs.
I have written an article for Web Bike World titled “Sorry I Have Gas” which is about my journey being an early adopter of two-wheel EV things and my return to gas. It’s currently in the hands of my editor. I compared the pricing and features of the Experia, DSR/X, and the Ducati Multistrada V4S and there is NO COMPARISON. The tech on the MS far ECLIPSES any EV street bike. Of course, there will be some who start to argue that the cost of fuel, filters, oil, etc. makes the cost of EV bikes less. I crunched the numbers and figured out that the amount of time I’d break even with an EV bike would be around the time I’d probably not be able to ride. I’m not 30 anymore.
Because I’ve raced my entire life and trained track skills I’m a real bitch about suspension, brakes, and tire pressure. Just the suspension tech on the MS far surpasses anything on the Experia or DSR/X and that’s JUST the suspension features.
Would I return to the EV world? In a heartbeat, but there are a few things I’d insist on which exist on my current bike. Am I concerned about the environment? Yes, I am. Enough to forgo the things I want to do before I can’t anymore? Nope.
I enjoy your perspective, Sam. It’s balanced and in this world of haters, fanboyz and trolls your channel is refreshing.
Mark, thanks so much man! I really value your input on this, because you've had more motorcycling experience (on a variety of bikes!) than most people. I love this quote from Fully Charged:
""Participating in the world as it is now does not disqualify you from trying to improve it."
We can still have fun on gas bikes while we wait for the right electric model to come along. I'm hopeful that Zero will eventually improve their tech and customer support, and super optimistic that the lightweight, fast charging Energica is right around the corner. Until then, I'll keep riding mine and shooting as many videos as I can!
I’m watching Mark too, and told him to look at energica bikes, lol. He should make his next trip after Scotland, down to Italy so he could get a test ride.
Bwahaha that'd be amazing! I really hope his charging situation gets better. I also hope he brought a spare belt with him. So many things can go wrong and I don't wish that on anybody, especially in a country he's not from, far from a Zero dealer.
Congratulations to 10k Subs
We will visit NZ in February
Maybe we meet?
Greets from Germany
Awesome! If you come to Wellington let me know 😁
I hope standardized interchangeable batteries will be the future of E-motorcycles. I imagine it would work something like this: You drive to gas station or whatever and pay to open charging stations lock, take full ones out and put empty batteries in. I have read that Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha are working together on standardized interchangeable batteries.
For city bikes that you hire per-hour, swappable batteries make a lot of sense. That's where Honda is marketing their new bikes. When it gets to long range riding, that doesn't work. The batteries would be so heavy that swapping them would require robots, and probably take longer than fast charging.. every service station would need a bunch of these batteries in stock, which means manufacturing a bunch of batteries (heavy environmental impact).. and the big question is, "who owns the batteries?" If I swapped mine out for another, if that mine now? Are we leasing the batteries? And from who? What if you swap one in that has problems? It's too complicated and makes more sense to focus on faster charging, in my opinion.
@@NewZeroland Hmm... I suppose there is lots things to figure out, if they want make them a thing. I don't really make long trips myself ,so I didn't think it from that PoV 😐
Couldn't agree more, it's why I think petrol bikes are still best for long distances, which is also when they're the most efficient, and electric bikes for the city where most of the riding occurs and off-road trails. Battery tech is improving by leaps and bounds too, so the future looks incredibly exciting.
Yeah you're right. Most people going electric still need to have 2 bikes, and I feel like we should be past that by now.
You did it Zero, you led, and it matters 👏
True! They started it. I just hope they continue it.
Great video. It’s been a while since you have had a good vent. ( To me it feels like a vent not a rant.) 10,000 subscribers! Wow. It’s been a long journey but it hasn’t stoped or plateaued. I want to know about the special cockroach sauce in the pizza. Especially since I’m living vicariously through your channel. 😁 I can really understand the feeling though as I have been considering selling my electric bicycle to buy a gas powered Honda Grom. I love my electric bike with 1800 watt peak power and killer range for an E Bicycle but I want more range. I think that’s what so many Zero riders want but they already bought the bike so they are emotionally and financially invested, so…🤬.
Thanks bro!! I'm still such a small / niche channel so it's taken me forever to get to 10k, but it's a huge milestone and I'm celebrating it haha. How you're feeling is how most people feel about electrics. Some things still aren't there yet, unless you make big sacrifices to change your life to work with electric. I felt ok doing that 6 years ago, because it was new and exciting technology.. but now electric should work with our lives. We shouldn't have to compromise! I support the Grom idea :)
Thanks. It’s not a big exciting crazy bike but it’s just right for a short person who doesn’t want to spend a ton of money or to go super fast. It’s a little hard going from a top of the line of one to an entry level of another. I still have no reason to rush into it though.
I've heard that pizza "experience" in Italy is a must try ... wink wink
Looking forward for your new bike reveal
Yeah man!! It's unbeatable, but you know that already :D
I have definitely had some less than stellar experiences with Zero and so I don't feel this crazy brand loyalty toward them. I also own two of them so I don't exactly believe that they're terrible either. For what it's worth, I really like your videos. I do think you have some bias against Zero but I can hardly say that that is unwarranted.
Zero made their third generation platform significantly heavier than the Gen 2 bikes. I have about 2,000 miles on my SRS and about 7,000 on my DSR. Overall I prefer the riding experience that my SRS offers but it is super annoying that my DSR always outperforms it in terms of range. I am going to order an experiment with the taller windshield on my SRS to see if that makes a positive improvement. My guess is it will close that gap by 2 or 3%. I do like that my SRS has 6 kw charging as well as a full glove box. I finally got around to ordering the fast charger for my DSR but I will have to give up the glovebox
I have to say on my end that I think Energicas are supremely cool. I can totally see myself going for an Experia in the next couple of years.... I do wish that they had a somewhat faster level 2 charger though....
Hey thanks for the comment! This is the kinda real-world experience people need to hear, and I appreciate you sharing it. Hopefully all the small tweaks Zero is doing to their bikes is in preparation for bigger ones. I totally agree that Energica needs 6kW AC charging. Hopefully they sort that out in the next revision of the Experia, or in a future model. Really I hope they go with liquid-cooled battery packs! I give Zero a hard time about 2hr charges, but even a 1hr charge is too long, if we're being honest.
I wonder if the fast charge, L2/L3, on Zero messes with the SOC and range numbers and balance. I'm on my second ZeroSR, 1st was 2018, this one is 2020. And so far the SOC and range are slightly off but within 10miles range. But both my SRs are L1 charge only so.....
I went from gas to 1st Zero and back to gas too. Now back to Zero cause it is the best commuter I ever had including scooters. But that is where the greatness ends. For travel or long day rides, forget it, I'm sticking to gas. I'm gonna try to keep the 2020 SR as long as I can for commute duty and around town, and that is where it will be delegated to.
I'm glad the Livewire has a new model with the battery pack as the structural part. That is what Zero needs to do to to get with the times. All modern bikes use the engine as part of the structure to keep weight down. The new Livewire weigh about same as the old SR with what looks like maybe the same range, but too soon to know real world numbers.
I want a Energica and hope they will have a Experia version in a standard/naked that is lighter. This one of the main reason I like the old SR so much cause only 420ish pounds and simplicity.
But for the foreseeable future I waiting on Aptera. Will get rid of my Miata and Ducati for the Aptera.
Dude nice! Yep, I'm with ya on a lightweight naked Energica built on the Experia platform. Sign me up for that!! And the Aptera is the future. I wish more companies took chances on wild designs like that. Efficient and sci-fi as hell 😁
You nailed it exactly! And it's not just Zero. What's the electric equivalent of my tiny, inexpensive, super-reliable CBR250R that weighs 350 lbs, has a top speed 150 km/hr and a range of 300 kms on the highway? Tick....tick.....tick...I'm still waiting....for something even in the same neighbourhood for any of these parameters. We need the equivalent of Tesla to bring this one to market....I would even take a plug-in hybrid bike at this stage to make the switch.
Yeah!! I'm with ya. Right now the only similar bike would be an older (smaller) Zero SR, but without fast charging, there's no way of going long distances. People can even take 250cc's to the race track, but a 250cc electric equivalent is probably air-cooled, has no range, and won't charge fast enough to be useful. People have ridden around the world on postie bikes.. nothing electric can compare yet, and that needs to change soon! My hope is that by the time 2035 comes around and we're all forced to go electric, the move will be easy, because electrics will be ready.
ANOTHER Energica?!? You’re a baller!
😵😂😁
I posted a test ride video of the FXE on my channel as well, and I agree, great little bike, actually weight wise on par were it needs to be and I am even ok with the somewhat limited range, but the charging ... that is where it all fell apart. I just don't understand why Zero makes no effort to improve in that area.
Yeah man! Suuuuper fun bike. A little underpowered, but I love it, and the styling is great, too. The 9 hour charge time is unacceptable in 2022. I have no idea how they thought that was ok hahaha.
@@NewZeroland exactly!
Just wanted to let you know that I have ordered my Zero DSRX 2024.
Arriving in a few weeks from Holland.
I did look for an Energica but the nearest dealer is English Electric Motorcycles, 93 miles away.
Nothing in London to test ride so went with what I know, a DSR Black Forest with 38000 miles to the DSRX.
Cool man! I've heard good things. Somebody is currently riding around the world on a DSRX. They have a few more months I think and they'll be the first solo electric rider to do it. I'm assuming that means the DSRX is capable!
I am not going to ride around d the world, possibly the UK.
I will let you know what I think in a few months.
All very valid points. And I think the last thing you said is the most valid. With time, electric bikes/cars will get better. I myself made the decision this year to hold off on an electric bike and actually go with a conventional gas bike for less than half the price. Does that mean i hate electric bikes? No def not and still look forward to the day when the infrastructure, price, and reliability are all there. That's the day i'll get one. Don't be afraid to express your opinion.
Thanks man! Yeah there's no shame in enjoying the world as it is now. The affordable electrics are limited, and the closest competitors to gas bikes that we have right now are really expensive. Hopefully as they improve, they also become more attainable.
Don't worry - at least I don't see it as a rant - it is the plain truth!
I would have expected Zero to shift (technology) gears on the new model as well (aside from open service potentials not only you had mentioned in the past) - and yes, so far I'll be opting for the Italian pizza (Experia) when the time (and money) comes...
I started commuting my 20 clicks to work on a BMW C-Evo in 2019 - simply because the cats on my 2009 injection V2 ICE wouldn't get to work unti 5-10 clicks into the ride - meaning I was averaging 6-7 l /100 km on such short commutes. So far I clocked 45 kkm on that e-scooter (I call elBurrito because it is an edonkey ;-) ) w/o regret, which also means the CO2 break-even on battery production is around the corner. The days on my Honda Varadero are nearly counted, despite the awesome 129 kkm of quite trouble-free travel and commute so far.
I find Marc's choice on going the path of EV travel to be great as well!
Whoa nice!! That's an insane amount of km's on your BMW. Good going! I need to ride more hahaha.
I saw the zero review and you weren't nasty about it at all. Your doing a great job. I would like a electric motorcycle but I can't and won't until it does minimum 120 kmh and a range of 200 km min and Charges in aprox an hour and is priced around 10,000 dollars because my 2021 KTM Duke 390 does around 320km per tank, and around 145 kmh and cost me 7,600 dollars Australian and it's a pocket rocket .Your correct about the charging time and distance so please don't get consumed with people getting upset when you're telling the truth that needs to be said and heard.
Cheers, Aussie mate! You have a great point, and that part of the market still isn't there yet (the lightweight / cheap / fast charging bike). I reeeeally hope that's coming next. It doesn't matter if a bike does 300km and charges in 10 minutes if nobody can afford it.
A well informed consumer is a happier consumer. Your pizza story is bang on. The whole attitude of "batteries are stupid" is moot....EVERY vehicle has to have a battery system. From starting to fuel pumps to the firing order...it's all electric. Going the whole way is a small step now.
Dude, great point! Get all those gas bikers to go back to crank starts and carbs and see how they like it lol.
I'm a Zero owner, and I agree with your opinions about the company, and the feel when you ride their bike.
If someone disagree with you because you harm his feelings, he only needs to man up. Just that.
HAHA thanks man :D I appreciate it! Hopefully Zero is listening.
You got your hands on a (the) SUPER73 C1X didn't you? They look sweet!
HAHA shhhhh
A perfectly accurate rant.
Battery energy density is getting better at 20-30% per year. I can now buy a battery for my Sur-Ron with twice the range of the batteries Sur-Ron were doing just four years ago. So wtf is Zero pfaffing about at?
Wow! That's a huge improvement. Zero is putting the new cells in their bikes, so capacity IS going up, but the bikes are also getting heavier, making the range the same as it was years ago. We need more!
I still like my Zero for all of the trouble it's given me with being the least reliable of all my motorcycles and costing the most of all my motorcycles (yes I paid less and have not had a any downtime with my RSV4 with 25k miles on it). I still explain to people all the reasons they should consider an electric as a great second bike, I explain they're not meant for road trips and you should also keep a gas bike around for a road trip or for when the electric needs to go to the dealership for multiple months to be repaired.
I explain that I knew what I was getting myself into and there are so many upsides and for so many reasons it's a great bike, 3 second 0-60 times, no engine heat, less than $1/100 miles, no maintenance...other than brakes, tires, belts, light bulbs, replacing the complicated throttle, battery, and charger within the first 3k miles.
I like my Zero a lot but I'm still going to tell people everything I like and dislike about it and the company it came from. I truly wish I could be less critical of them. You know actually I'll give them more credit "it's not that they failed to learn from their mistakes, they just changed hands so many times, and all the people who learned from the mistakes left the company when that happened they had to keep making the same new mistakes over and over again. This is why it doesn't feel like they're learning from their mistakes."
Wow 😲 That... could explain everything. Maybe there's nobody left from the original Zero team who knows how to fix the problems that were created years ago. That would explain the whole new operating system. Instead of repairing old bikes, start fresh and hope owners trade in for the new models. I agree that I loved riding my Zero, and it's the best commuter ever.. but we need electric motorcycles to be more than just a second bike.
I know there isn't because when I used the community log decoder to view the logs and talked to the guy who was the lead electrical engineer there three years ago he asked me if he could get a copy of the decoded logs since they had no idea they could diagnose things with them...
I'm looking forward to the future of electric motorcycles but I'm looking to Japan rather than California, maybe Suzuki will find another Ernst Degner for the electric motorcycle. My Zero is honestly my primary motorcycle just not for anything further than 50 miles away, it's inescapable that if you own an EV even if you use it 95% of the time you still practically need an ICE vehicle from time to time. We're still about 7 years away from that changing in my opinion though I'm very hopeful that solid state batteries are going to be a real game changer and sooner than expected.
I also would like to see more improvement in ZERO’s range and charging speeds. I think that motorcycles are a tough application for BEV powertrains, and it will be awhile before they can match gas bikes of any type. Long highway trips at 70-80 mph will be the toughest, and it may take future batteries with twice the energy density of today’s batteries to match gas touring bikes. In the meantime, I sure would like to see ZERO increase range as much as possible. Maybe 10-30% increase would be possible with: 1) structural battery pack to accommodate more cells without increasing overall weight, 2) next gen cells with more energy, and perhaps faster C-rate for charging, 3) more efficient motor and inverter, built as an integrated drive unit like Tesla Model 3 & Y, 4) aerodynamic improvements, tough to do for motorcycles, but there likely is some improvement possible. 5) lower rolling resistance from tires, brakes, and bearings. ZERO used to offer significant improvements with every new model year, but lately it seems to be “bold new colors” and new combinations of existing ZERO components, like the DSR/X. For now I really like my DSR, but I hope there will be better options to upgrade to in the future.
Thanks for your input, George! That's exactly the problem.. they haven't built something to make you say "wow I'm trading in my DSR for that!" because your DSR gets the same range and can charge just as fast with a charge tank. Aero is a huge deal and I hope motorcycle companies try harder with those designs. That's extra range for free! I know naked and ADV bikes sell the most though, so nobody wants to take risks.
Cliffhangers!!!! Damn it
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I desperately want an E bike.
But living in Western Australia it has to be a second bike, as I regularly ride very long distances no where near a charger.
But my limited time with them has really just made me feel they are a better riding experience for me.
Nice! What options do you have over there? Used Zeros or Livewires? I'm still waiting for Savic to start production.
@@NewZeroland they're petty much all available, but I absolutely fell in love with the BMW CE04.
WA is a weird anomaly though, because there's probably no where else in the world that has such large distances between population centres.
So still gotta solider on with an ICE bike for a few more years yet.
@@1MrBryn oh nice! The CE04 looks so futuristic. I have no idea what kinda range it gets though. I'd say go test ride an Energica, but the nearest dealer is on the opposite coast.
Honestly if you're good all DIY you could build yourself a Zero killer from conversion...
In my city there are some e-motorcicles that beat several ice counterparts EVEN IN RANGE
Yeah I'm starting to think you're right. 6 years ago it would have been harder to match Zero's performance and price, but not anymore. Air-cooled batteries and motors are cheap and powerful now.
Just my little bird...
I told you that I installed a 163Ah batt and have roughly more that 280km average range and of the line I beats most 125cc and even several 150cc.
What are you thoughts on electric unicycles? New ones go ~60mph now. Thinking about adding one to garage
Those look super fun and also terrifying 😂
@@NewZeroland I rode past a group at a EV charging station using a J1772 adapter to 220v with ~10 riders plugged in. It was wild. They were riding from San Francisco to Portland.
@@pandabike3826 no way!! That's a hardcore ride 😳
ok that's just bonkers - nothing with just one wheel should go that fast 🤣🤣
I was juggling between a Livewire, an Experia and a Zero but the Zeroes still have Type 2 charging 6kw at best, less range and now, at least in the UK, you can get an Esse Esse 9 for less than a Zero S with 6kw charge tank yet it has comparable performance and DC charging
A guy on UA-cam took his Livewire from Pasadena to Anaheim, 76 miles, mostly at over 80 mph, he used 60% of his battery a quick DC charge when he had lunch and he was away home again, so we know the Livewire will do around 100 motorway miles before needing a charge.
Is it just my perception, or do people claim to put less thought into choosing a petrol bike than they would choosing an electric?
Great point! The Livewire is amazing.. feels like a Zero with better build-quality and proper charging speed haha. I think since electrics are newer, people do more research on them. Zero is hoping you don't research at all, and if you do, they've purposely made the specs as confusing as possible.
For data, CA's ban on ICE engines does not extend to motorcycles. It's either cars and up or things like lawnmowers and down. There's a weird carve-out for motorcycles, either intentional or otherwise, that everyone seems to be making. I think part of it is because the tech just isn't there for most people to feel comfy replacing their ICE bikes with electric.
It will be, though. Just not right now.
Oh interesting! I wonder if the other countries have that same loophole. Then again, gas prices will continue to rise to a point where it won't make sense to keep buying it. Or at least I hope.
@@NewZeroland I _think_ the EU has a similar one. I wish no one did. Sure, people would get mad but now every electric bike maker in the world has a 10-year countdown for solving all the problems of electric bikes. Want to be in business after 2035? Be a company that solves this issue.
That being said, my guess is that with the pressure on automakers and small engine manufacturers the problems will get solved anyway and we'll get to enjoy the benefits.
Having a zero DS I can maybe share my experience with range and charging speeds:
Riding mixed roads including highway I get between 180km-200km. Without highway about 250km.
So that is 2 hours of mixed riding and 3 hours of non-highway riding.
I have the fast charger. I can do 20% to 80% in less than an hour. For me that is totally fine. If I ride 2 hours on the highway, I am exhausted. It would not be safe for me to continue without a break.
I understand that there are people that like or need to ride more than 2 to 3 hours in one go. I am sure they exist. And for those people a zero is not a good option.
But if you read some comments, it looks like everybody regularly needs to ride for more than 2 hours in one go without taking a break. I find that hard to believe.
I don't know the actual number, but I would guess that +75% of riders do not ride that many times more than 2 to 3 hours without taking a break. I can not believe there are so many hardcore riders out there.
So I think that the range limitations are still a problem for some people, but it cannot be that this is a majority.
(The same applies to EV cars by the way. It looks sometimes that everybody does +1000km each weekend and they do not have time to stop for 20min after 4 hours of driving. I find that hard to believe too.)
I do agree about your remarks about quality. The BMS and the chargers should be way more reliable by now.
@@mmistermusic it depends where you live. In the US, it's hard to get anywhere without riding on the highway, and the average cruising speed there is 120km/h. That drains the battery way faster, so after riding for 1 to 1.5hrs, people don't want to wait 40 min to get back on the road again. You're right that regular commuters and even tourers don't ride more than 200km in a day, but those people also don't want to charge at all. They just want to ride. My criticism of Zero is that they aren't improving their bikes as fast as we need them to, and there are still too many compromises for how much money the bikes cost. Your DS and my old SR are way better deals than Zero's new platforms.
@@NewZeroland Yes, maybe you are right. Personally I don't like to sit more than 2 hours on a motorcycle without a break. But yes, there are probably people that do that. Or that need to do that. But I still think there are many people that claim they need +200k of range but don't do that at all.
Same with cars: I hear people saying they need 1000km of range because they drive 1000km in one go when going on holiday. Yeah right. They don't go to the toilet for 10 hours ?
I agree with your comment about the DS vs the new zero bikes. I also see no reason to upgrade my DS for a DSR/X. To me the DS is fine, they just need to add a 3-phase 10kilowatt charger with type-2 connector by default and make it 6000 euro's cheaper. At about 16000 euro it can compete with gas bikes.
Oh nice! Cali joined BC Canada for the ban of sales on new gas vehicles in 2035!!! Can't wait to see what 2035 has in store for us!!!
Also I think if these so called EV fans hate on you then they're not real EV fans. They should be happy to know that someone is trying to help inform consumers that there are pros and cons to everything. That's why I watch unboxing videos and reviews wether it's a car or a watch or a water filter it helps me try and make the best decision and not waste my hard earned money. After getting a Tesla I couldn't imagine getting any other EV because of the charging infrastructure Tesla has already made for us. It just made it so much easier to charge when going on road trips or a quick top up and not plugging into your 120V outlet at home (That takes hours or days to charge). I think people gotta take a different perspective on things.
Anyways I think you're doing an amazing job and I live vicariously through you when you ride and make these great videos!
I also agree pizza in Italy is always better ;) (Can't say brap no more, so zing zing!)
Duuude thanks so much! That cheered me up :D I'm glad you're as excited and optimistic about the future as I am. I hope Zero succeeds, because we need them to. Who knows, they might build something someday that brings me back! Until then though.. I'm completely obsessed with what Energica is doing, and I feel like they'll be the ones to take us all to the next level.
@@NewZeroland It's kind of like Apple and Android. Sometimes you like the newest iPhone and other years you need a Pixel. They kinda push each other you know? I do really hope Zero does well too, because if they don't succeed then it'll set back the EV movement/momentum and the direction we need to be heading. Less EV Bikes/Cars means more Gas bikes/Cars being sold. And not everyone has the money to keep buying the newest Car every year. So that would mean the gas car will be used on average 1 to 20 (maybe 30) years. Heart breaking...
@@ronaldb479 well said man! Really great point. Friendly competition is so important. We're all on the same team, and we need to pull our teammates up with us. When Zero gets DC charging on their bikes, the real fun will begin.
Companies will put more effort into their products if the customers push for it.
The ones that don’t get eaten up by the ones that do.
We all want Zero to be successful, they need to put more effort into their products and especially their customer service.
Here here! This, exactly. I still say, if Zero brought out a Zero FX with DC charging, I'd be back onboard :D
In officially an Energica fanboy...
Yeah!!
Still no bikes in stock here in california 🤦.
Which bikes? I know Energicas still have a 3-month wait. Not sure about Zeros.
I am the owner of zero fx and zero ds. Everythings that you are saying about zero are true. Usually the zero bikes gen 3 have many problems of bms and magic charging and the prize is too expensive. Ccs must be installed in zero gen 3 .
Thanks Pablo! I hope they fix this soon. Instead, they just seem to sell new bikes and forget about the old ones.
Ok, I'lm sending you lots of loves in exchange ✌
Hey thank you! :D
It's all about battery technology. If energy density doubles or trebles, electric motorbikes will be fantastic. If it stays the same, a petrol motorbike is still superior for fun purposes. Weight and range are important in a bike.
Yep, agreed 100%. Range and recharge times need to get as close to what we're used to with gas bikes. If they aren't getting closer, we're wasting time.
@@NewZeroland Petrol bikes have fantastic energy-storage-to-weight ratio and electric bikes have fantastic motor-power-to-weight ratio. Once the energy density in batteries is improved, we'll have the perfect bike. Until then, I don't think there's a lot manufacturers can do to improve on their bikes (other than not doing the kind of silly things Zero has been doing lately). It's all in the hands of battery technology researchers.
4:42 lol I see what ya did there 😉
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@@NewZeroland I ride Piaggio so i too prefer 'Italian pizza'.
@@NewZeroland As a matter of fact I had finally obtained and fixed up my dream scooter from Piaggio, had one day hoped to hang if ever you were in SF. Very curious about your opinion on this platform. Only a month later someone in the middle of the night crashed into it while it was parked on the street, they left before I could get a usable description. On top of that Piaggio finally released my dream dreeeeeam scooter the BV400. So now I am saving up for one of those. I would transition to electric once that market gets close to a BV400.
@@moonshinethics aw maaaan sorry to hear that! Hmmmm yeah electric scooters aren't really at that level yet. Niu has a more powerful one now, but not for long distances. What about the BMW CE-04? I've heard great things but never ridden one.
#MakeThePizzaBetter #ZeroMotorcycles
I like my Italian pizza. I rarely ride more than a few hours so recharging isn't super critical for me. Also, I canceled my sondors pizza order. They way over promised. They promised a delicious supreme pizza, but delivered a tiny, cardboard tasting frozen pizza. Got my refund. I have my eye on a Finnish pizza with a hole in it now. The verge ts. Perhaps I'll wait for owner reviews before ordering one...
Niiiice!!! Holy crap that's exciting! I really love the Verge's design. It's the futuristic style of vehicle we need. Too bad about Sondors.. have you seen Fortnine's video on it today? It looked like he had fun riding it, but range and acceleration both fell way short of their claims. I'm waiting to hear how close Damon can get to their 200mph/200miles/200kg dreams.
@@NewZeroland I did see their video today (yesterday as I'm writing this.) They summed up my feelings exactly. Just didn't have the specs I wanted. I got a refund from sondors last week. No problems getting the refund. As fun as the bike may be, it won't be that exciting compared to an energica. I think a verge ts will be fun, and unique. Well see. Also, I'm hoping to get a model 2 next year. With the uncertain economy though, who knows. Also I get unlimited supercharging with my model 3. I'd have to give that up.
thanks i find your views interesting
Cheers man!
Pizza
When a product doesn't meet specifications, we need to know about it. Facts matter when I'm investing my hard-earned cash on a bike
Thanks Steve! If you keep listening I'll keep talking about it.
Ι thought that was going to be a video about gas to electric but no. It's another one about the bad things on Zeroes.
And still no content about other brands and electrics for us, the evereyday commuters.
I ride electric (Silence SO1) in Greece for a year now (all the year, not only the hot months) and im not going back to gas.
I wish there were new electrics for me to test ride, but I think I've ridden them all haha.
The thing no one is talking about is lithium batteries have not improved the way everyone just assumed and hoped for ten years ago. More range today simply means more battery which means more weight, space, and money. Add 100 lbs and get a few kWH battery for another 10-20 miles at speed. This is fake progress.
I paid my dues and stuck my toe into the EV movement with a new Zero SR in 2015. Aside from going through three chargers the first year, it was that first Firmware update that ruined the motorcycle. As you said, it’s great until it isn’t and when failure happens you’re basically screwed.
I sold mine the end of 2018 and haven’t paid much attention since. Reading up on them again this week I see the same old issues.
Bottom line is EV bikes will always be limited until energy density doubles without increasing weight. I don’t see this happening.
Yep, there have been some great advances in battery chemistry, especially what Tesla is doing with their LFP cells, but you're right that Zeros have gotten way too heavy. Energicas keep getting lighter while making bigger battery packs, but I'm not sure how much lighter they can go.
Yeah everyone keeps saying "once the batteries have improved" but battery tech has been the same for years. It's not like we are going to see double the capacity in 10 years time.
I think they did improve the chemistry to make them last longer. And there were improvements in packaging and cooling. But like pointed at here too, zero did not apply much of it. Same story with CCS charging. There is progress but it is not applied on the zero bikes yet.
If no legislation were to be made mandating the transition to EV's then we're going to run into a huge problem that will explode exponentially. While demand for Oil continuously rises, the oil available decreases. There will come a day when the oil price passes through a knee on the price chart and costs will explode. The price hike we've seen in the last years will look like a minor thing compared with what will come if manufacturers and consumers aren't forced to change their habits.
Yeah man! Well said. Even 13 years seems like way too long to wait. Electric cars are already better.. they just need to get cheaper so more people can afford them. Electric motorcycles still have a ways to go, but I'm glad Energica is getting closer to the range and fill-up time we're used to with gas bikes. When the time comes that the world is forced to change, it won't be a hard change.
Energica is great but when are they going to build lower end, lighter weight models like Zero builds and sells; S, DS, FX, FXE? US$23,000 and 570 lbs is a lot of money and weight when all you want/need is a bike to get you to work 10-20 miles away.
I think that Zero also relies on their network of about 340 dealers to handle customer issues rather than having factory personnel to do this job. Although I have contacted Zero directly to get them to step in on my behalf with one of their dealers who wasn't being responsive once they took in my Zero. But I see Zero has no dealers listed for Australia or New Zealand. How did you get service for your Zero when you had issues with it?
Hopefully soon! I have a feeling this new Experia platform can be used for smaller bikes. If they can make something lighter with less range, but keep the DC charging.. that would be epic. For my Zero I had to rely on aftermarket support and ordering parts from AF1 Racing.
Please talk more about pizza on future videos.
I'm going deep dish on this topic!
Right on the money as always. Do hope LW is going to throw in more great EV bikes to the rest of the world too. They stick to much to US now.
The Chinese bikes will be up first now.
I know there is Cake and the likes. They aren't touring bikes though.
Thanks Jeff! Yeah Livewire seemed to take a step backwards with their new model so I'm not sure what they're planning. It's between Zero and Energica now, and you know where I'm spending my money 😂
rant away brother
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My 2020 SR/F spent 4 months in the shop for what should've been a minor repair. I sold it and went back to Yamaha. I love electric, but Zero is a horrible company. When Yamaha makes electric motorcycles, I'll be first in line!
Dude, I'm with you! I can't WAIT for electric Yamahas :D
Today I visited my Energica dealer chief mechanic, he said that Zero approached them and that they have a comparable bike. He told me he failed to see one.
Other then Energica they sell a few electric scooters, and they have long experience with bikes in general, including racing (the best improvement he sees on the Experia is the back shock absorber).
If people whine under your videos, they are only making a disservice to themselves.
Hahaha wow.. yeah I keep seeing claims that Zero is making the most advanced electric motorcycles in the world, but nothing to back that statement up. I'd love to see a DSR/X and an Experia go on a road trip together. Either way you set the Zero up, it seems really limited.
Put the power tank on it to get similar range, and the charging time becomes 3 hours. Put the charge tank on it to get "close" to the Experia's charging time, and the range is still way lower.
Firsties! Welcome to my future past, my pretties. ❤
Even as negative as you might be perceived, it's always in a very reasonable hope for better pizza. I wonder through if Zero is afraid to innovate not just because it could cost a lot, but because of potentially shaking their market position. Push too hard and people might turn on them in a flash, damaging E-motorcycles more quickly rather than riders steadily choosing other brands over time like you did. In the case of California: the all-electric push feels like more of a necessity. They're a vehicle centric population that has been joked on for pollution for so long that they need to be forced to change. Meanwhile places like New Zealand seem so laid back and chill that they can make the change just because they'd like to, without much civil impact.
True that! Thanks man :D And yeah I agree with you about Zero. One downside of Energica advancing so quickly is that our bikes are obsolete a month after we get them lol. I still feel like it's time for Zero to step up their game to the next level though. If their next bike doesn't have DC charging, it'll be seriously disappointing.
@@NewZeroland Well, on the bright side maybe some Zero owners are glad their upgrades aren't so astounding that they feel the need trade. I'm happy to not upgrade any devices that are still doing what I need if it saves me some cash, unless there's some technical reason I _have_ to. At least neither they nor Energica go the Apple route and slow down your bike to force you to buy the new upgrade when they do drop a new bike... I might have used the cellphone analogy before, but it never stops being relevant with today's tech.
@@TheRealAlpha2 I wouldn't put it past them. An over the air firmware update that creates the "magic charging" bug could frustrate someone enough to buy a new model lol.
Zero's is exactly the same problem attitude that is giving us all kinds of EVs that just CAN'T replace ICE vehicles. A microcar built for cities can easily cross a continent just as quickly, if not as comfortably, as any other car, but a BEV with 100 miles of range, 7 kW AC and 80 kw DC charging would be extremely slow and painful to road trip. We can't move forward with the mentality that crappy in all areas but one is just fine. BEVs, ALL OF THEM, need to be able to completely replace ICE in every single situation, not just some or even most of the time. They can't be designed thinking they will be a second or third vehicle. Most people only have one vehicle, so that vehicle needs to be able to do ANYTHING an ICE vehicle can do. No ifs, ands or buts.
THIS!! Man, you wrote the most perfect comment ever. That's exactly what's going on! Either it's range or charging or expensive price. EVs are still struggling to tick all the boxes. I love my Energica, but even a 1hr charge time isn't fast enough. Hopefully liquid-cooled batteries will solve this issue and get us bikes that are "close enough".
Much better content than the previous one, but it still feels wrong on one thing: your audience is a mix of Zero and Energica fans and we ALL know the 2 Pizzeria, so your displayed objective doesn't sound legit, also the way you insist on the magic charging issue - that Marc Travels has - is not related to the DSX/R, while it's indeed a serious issue for some 2020 SR/F owners (I don't have this issue). Overall I agree on this: the DSR/X is not at the level we wanted since the range is not enough AND the difference with my "old" SR/F 2020 is also not enough to justify a new purchase. That doesn't means I'll move to Energica (for reasons I explained in a blog post), but I'll more certainly get a comfier seat for long trips and wait for a better DSR/X. Thanks anyway for this new video!
Cheers man! I really hope that issue doesn't show up on the new bikes. Zero is following what Apple is doing, selling new products every year instead of repairing their old ones. Unfortunately Marc is getting the same help from Zero that I did lol.
Unfortunately most people don't know that Energicas exist. IF they've heard of electric motorcycles, they've probably only heard of Zero.. so Zero has a huge responsibility. What they build reflects how people view electric motorcycles. If the bikes are limited, people will think all electrics are limited.
Why do we NEED to go electric?
Aside from government mandates and meeting stricter emissions regulations, we need to go electric so we stop burning stuff. Burning stuff is bad for our health.
@@NewZeroland burning stuff is how we get electricity. And those governance mandates need to be stopped by us citizens
@@khrisstake2210 we don't HAVE to burn things to get electricity though. Solar, wind, hydro.. burning stuff is a choice. Over 80% of New Zealand's power comes from renewables, and that remaining fossil fueled % gets smaller every year. Government mandates are annoying but they're the only way we'll move forward.
The ban on ICE vehicles is like what happened with cigarettes. The price per pack went way up and smoking them was banned within 20ft of a building entrance. ICE vehicles are being banned in certain cities already, and I'm excited about having better air quality in the future.
@@NewZeroland banning cigarettes and banning cars are extremely with extremely different effects. The government already Makes personal transportation more expensive than what it would be. Now, forcing everyone(at some point) to only be able to purchase electric vehicles is going to force a lot of people out of personal transposition even more. And why do we need to move forward? Why not make plug in hybrids the thing?
@@khrisstake2210 yeah plug-in hybrids look like the perfect compromise between both worlds.. but then you're carrying around a whole gas engine and fuel tank when you're driving electric, and carrying around a heavy battery and electric motor when using the gas engine. That and you still have to buy gas, which means drilling for oil never stops. A hybrid setup is also really hard to pull off on a motorcycle where we don't have the space to put both powertrains. Why not fill that engine space with more batteries?
And I believe that Energica is the only company that sponsored you a test.
And I don't think you've ridden the Zero DSR/X before.
And I don't think most motorcyclists ride on the highway. (You're not driving on the higway in the video either).
From your sponsored test of the Energica you should actually know that in Europe the motorcycles are mainly ridden on country roads. There, the Zero can be charged with over 13 kWh and the Energica with only 3 kWh. If you mostly want to drive long distances on highways, the Energica is better for you. For long distances, especially off highways, the Zero is often better.
For an opinion about a motorcycle, those who have ridden the motorcycle are better. And it's even better if the testers also say how much was sponsored. You've never dared to say that about your Energica Experia video.
I don't think much of videos that talk a lot about Zero motorcycles and you don't currently ride them at all. Your videos with no bashing and fewer subscribers were better. pity now.
Please allow me to correct your statements. In my Experia video, I said Energica flew us there. I said that it was hard to be unbiased in that situation, but that the bike was still amazing and it's hard to deny that. In THIS VIDEO, I admitted that I haven't ridden the DSR/X but think it would be really fun. Did you even watch it? Did you understand what any of my points? No highways in Europe? What's the Autobahn? If you're happy with your Zero, I'm happy for you. Riding electric is amazing. I hope you never have problems with your bike like I had.
@@NewZeroland Thanks for letting us know that Energica paid for your airfares from New Zealand to Italy. Sorry I didn't get it right away in your video. But now I understand better why you're sitting on an Energica and saying a lot of words about Zero.
Instead of just driving around slowly on your Energica and talking about other bikes, just make videos again with bikes that you ride and then report about them. Or just watch videos that report on motorcycles that someone also rides.
@@gww8026 I'm not bashing Zero because I ride an Energica. I bought my first Energica a whole year before my Zero started having issues. I've been critical of Zero's choices for years, haha. You must have missed my SR/F video, and FXE video. I make videos about all electric motorcycles, and why I've made the decision to buy certain bikes. If another company like Triumph or Ducati sell a better bike than Energica, I'll buy it. Right now, Energica is miles ahead of everyone else, so that's what I'm riding.
@@NewZeroland It was definitely a risk to buy a bike in New Zealand if there is no dealer and no support there. You have already reported that. New Zealand is definitely a great country. Enjoy and please make videos again about the bikes you ride there and how it rides there. Just be happy about the things you like. Thinking too much about things you don't like isn't very healthy, but some like it.
@@gww8026 thanks man. I will try to be more positive 😊 Even the worst electric motorcycles are still better than gas!