NEW 2.8l Automatic 70 series OFFROAD REVIEW
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2024
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Some questions if I may:
1) How much would you pay for a used 2.8L with 150,000kms on the clock?
2) How much would you pay for a V8 version with 150,000kms?
3) If the V8 is stopped, what vehicle would people buy for heavy towing?
I think people would have preferred the upgraded 70 series, with track correction, auto / manual option and handbrake fixed, with two engine options.
I think Toyota was smart to bring out both engine variants, albeit no auto for the V8. (Hopefully the V8 will stay - I think the Australian market needs both.)
That V8 engine, was the main reason everyone put up with the interior, handling, lack of flex, wheel track etc.
Yep, I agree totally with you on this.
There's no way in he'll I'd pay the price tag to get this thing.
the 2.8 is worlds ahead of the V8. peoples opinions will quickly change when they drive the 2.8 auto
Reliability, proven design and parts availability are 3 big attractions to a 70 series. Simplicity of design. Very Important factor if stuck literally in the middle of nowhere with a failed part, where you may be able to do a bush repair to get yourself when things have gone pear shaped! Alternatively parts will definitely be accessible Australia wide, rather than waiting for Ford or Volkswagen to supply a part in 3 months time etc.
Great review mate!
With rear axle factory correction / alignment with front axle. And a price around $75K
I buy one. 😢
lol the v8 was far from simple, biggest pos @@warrencramer4516
They should add another 2 cylinders to the 2.8l, and make a 4.2l inline 6.... they could call it the 1HD...
Haha😂 yes one of the best!
1HDFTE. The best engine Toyota has ever made .@@donpardo1
Totally agree also widen the rear axle
Now your talking, and throw a rear diff in.
come along way from slicing radish man !
Bring back modified but a humbled version that the people can relate too
Biggest takeaway from this vid is how much better a vehicle looks with window tint!
The constant switch between tinted and untinted footage was great 😊
Ronny I would love to see you review the ineos grenadier!!! YOU HAVE TOO!! I think once you drive it you might think twice! 2.8 70 vs grenadier has to be a episode in the future!!!
Great to have a review from a V8 owner Ronny😉. This is the vehicle the fleet buyers (ie the resources sector, government, NGOs like I work for & even the hire companies like Budget) wanted from Toyota: an auto transmission with a proven engine that has plenty of spares and upgrades available.
The 2.8 will be easier & cheaper to service especially major parts like starters, the alternator (& turbo for that matter) aren’t down in the mud & salt, it doesn’t have metres of plastic pipe to get air to the turbo, you won’t have to change out a clutch from the day of delivery😂 & for many the extra GVM will be enough not warrant an upgrade
They were never going to widen the rear track, but they could have brought the front one back into to the original 70 series width in the HJ/HDJ/HZJ spec cruisers. It’s BS there’s not enough room for a second battery up front also, and I bet that air box will let dust in. The electronic bits like adjustable headlights that the tosser car journos rave about will be the sort of shit that fails out bush in the long term.
How it will go fitted up will be interesting, my touring VDJ76 is almost 3000kg with a full tank of diesel so that’s a lot on top what you are driving around in the dunes. It is what it is, the V8 is gone & at least there is still a 70 series.
If they are so reliable why do you need spares ???
@@chaquisa1I bet that comment took hours of sitting in the shitter to come up with *slow clap*
@@Alan.livingston😂
@@Alan.livingston with a response like that, my guess is you have low intelligence. Instead of a sarcastic remark, how about you come up with a reason why the v8 (I am guessing you have a v8 and are really insecure about it) is the way to go.
This is going to be the only true honest review from start to finish. Just like the Hilux, if it's not capable or practical enough, it's gone. I'm very much looking forward to the results. Good work Ronny.
Appreciate your no holds barred review. I’ve driven troopies for years and at 6”4 I just can’t get comfy enough whilst driving anything that puts my knees up into my chest.
It's a shame that Toyota couldn't match the front and rear track, especially for the price of that thing.
“If it works, don’t fix it”.
Which for T means: as long as people are buying and there is no significant backlash that has a negative impact on brand’s image, we don’t give a f.
Dodge fixed that in the 40s with the 3/4 tons
Every one thinks the Japanese are smart. That's not smart it's ridiculous
200000km and never had an issue.
@@darrylgracie4571me neither- biggest overblown thing about the 70’s. Everyone is an expert on it, particularly non owners
I have toyota with 2.8 1gd-ftv diesel and this engine is pretty good. Used it in temperature range from +35C to -35C and didn't have problems.
Good technical analysis on off road capabilities.Enjoyed the review thanks.
@3:00, you can use wheel spacers to make the track even. We do that in the USA, easy install that only takes few minutes. You change nothing else.
love to see you compare the 2.8L 70 series to a Ineos grenadier...
Both solid front and rear axles, 2.8L/3L diesel engines, automatic gearbox.
Especially comparing the 76 to the 5 door grenadier.
the ineos is a luxury car compared to these obsolete toyotas
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthingineos - 👎.
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing I'd be embarrassed to be seen in a grenadier.
@DogmenHardcastle have you seen one? the finish looks like a luxury german car
open the door of a Toyota...
nice vinyl door trims, nice lack of sound proofing, nice windscreen cracks, nice crap fuel efficiency, nice lack of power....
nice wind up windows and analogue clock, nice console that looks ridiculous, nice 30yo dashboard, nice 40yo manual mirrors
you know it's bizarro world when people buy these cars not because they are good but because it's a status symbol, it's like an Aussie pissheads G wagon
Asian cars for Asian people imo, same as the Ranger that's made in Thailand, no thanks
the 80k hilux rogue has fake vinyl stitching in molded plastic on the steering wheel and door trims, it's horrendous
but good on Toyota, people keep buying them.
which was Toyota's reply to the question of "why don't these cars have electric windows?"
Why bother?
Nothing beats the v8 engine
obviously it does haha
Bloody oath mate! Youll never catch me with a 2.8!
Bought a V8 dual cab 70 new in 2018, great farm truck👍. August 2023 bought a new Toyota fortuner GXL 2.8 and a really nice thing it is👍. Won’t be pulling the horse float with two horses in the 2.8😉. Time will tell with 70s with the 2.8 loaded up and pulling caravans that are also loaded up tripping around oz. I’m not knocking them just saying I’ll be interested to see how they are long term compared to the 2.8.
It will be interesting to see how the downsize turbo philosophy plays out in petrol only markets. The new J250/252 are going to be downsize turbo only (2.4T on the 250, 3.3TT on the 252). I am really curious to see what the 2.4T is like to buy compared to the big NA motors we used to get like the 4.0
Awesome vid again (as usual!). Keep 'em coming Ronny.... this could be my next fourby. Can't wait to see you mod it up... 👍😁
Some really good and honest points that you've made in this vid e o and that's refreshing to find with 4wd reports! Thanks. Saw you on a recent vid interviewing Keelan and Sarah so thought I'd have a look at more ofvyiur you tube vidsxand I'm really enjoying them! I've got a 2016 V8 76 series Landcruiser that I've been slowly accessorising and i love the V8 'grunt' ! I bought it with a tuned, full Manta 4 in exhaust system kn it and it always sounds so good! Its done 210,000 kms and blows a little bit of smoke when I put my foot down but that's to be expected. Just as a side issue, do you know of a reliable site that sells 2nd hand, good quality accessories for these vehicles? I search on marketplace and google but nothing much comes up for good quality, 2nd hand gear. Cheers sgain and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. Phil
Thank you so much for this and keeping the Vi’s to compare. Looking forward to the next installment.
ASP is gonna be stoked on his new Troopy then! I def wanna see what its like with a load 33s then 35s, Im also not convinced that this engine package is long term reliable as the V8 stock or modifed carrying loads say for 5years! But yhen nothing built today is meant to even last the warranty period even from Toyota! DPF gate! Wasn't there or isnt there a class action suit against Toyota on a number of models with the 2.8? In Aussie and NZ, Happy to be corrected on that, nota hater I can see thats where its going andif it keeps the 70s alive I am all for it. Ill never give up my 80s or 4.2 TD HD series! But if I was ti buy new it would still be a Toyota over everything else! Warts n all. Great review, keep it coming, i wanna see the real test, with bar work, racks bigger wheels and weight, thats the real test! ,👍
I suspect lots of people buy the V8 because of the power they can get out of them when tuned, I think this is where the gap will come in regarding final power to weight. The auto is a no brainer though as they are excellent and easier to live with as a daily.
These tuned are getting crazy power now. All4addy did a review where they tuned to 400hp with few air intake mods. However, what the longevity is at that power, especially bottom end, still unknown. One would think the V8 would last longer.
Stability control was added due to all new cars in Australia being required to have it
yes,,because people are stupid..same as trak control,ect.ect.
I find myself asking; Who in the world would pay $80,000+ for a car released nearly 40 years ago with an uneven track and a Hilux engine and transmission?
Apparently, lots of people 😂
Mainly because it's the only solid axle vehicle sold in Australia besides the big trucks
@@JoshSinnott97
Not quite true.
Ineos Grenadier and the mighty Suzuki Jimny both have solid axles iirc.
Yeah that's a good point, I'll give you that. I automatically ride then off because a jimny is too small to travel long distance and it can't tow much and the ineos.. only time will tell. I hope it does well but it's not proven yet so I wouldn't buy one with my own money. Like the jimny it also has a small fuel tank
Solid axles really aren't needed. Just look how good a y62 is compared with a GU. I own a GU@@JoshSinnott97
The uneven track shows a pathetic part of Toyota engineering philosophy.
Would be interested to see how it performs when full of weight and fruit
Check out FullBoost’s review of this vs the v8 both fully loaded, the 2.8 still spanked it
This is exactly what the issue is with them.
Good point, was wondering the same. And that’s the reason why i keep my LR as light as possible.
Watch team bullets review/,test....there is a design flaw in my opinion. The 2.8 auto amazing in all areas apart from going downhill with heavy load. The brakes overheat because of gearing. They should of used a 10 speed and got lower gearing. They hill decent also uses the brakes and also can cause brake overheating/,fade.
Once Ronny gets all
His sponsored free
Stuff added it will be interesting to see
How it performs.
If Toyota offered this with a v6 from the LC300 it would be so much better. The buyer can have a on road variation in form of the 300 and off road in form of a 70 series.
Great review as always Ronny...would love to see your new 70 go head to head with a my Prado with the KDSS system...OK clearance sometimes not great, different style of driving but it will go anywhere, just maybe a little slower than thrashing your old V8 up the tracks !!.
You checked the screen for a plastic cover, but did you also check the lens on the reverse camera?
This version of the 2.8 is exactly what is going into the new 250 Prado, air/water intercooler and all. You forgot to mention a 70 series flexes like a burnt slice of toast.
mild hybrid version and gearing will be different
He definitely mentioned the flex 😂
Ronny mentions multiple times how light the vehicle is.
According to Toyotas specs it is approx. 300kg heavier than a Hilux dual cab 4x4, 200 kg heavier than a Foretuner, even heavier than a Kakadu Prado. Hmmm.
I guess relative to a fully kitted out V8 troopy, yes it is light.
I have a 4Runner and my rear camera wasn’t that bad but when I installed a Garmin inreach I got the optional back up camera which is wireless. It is much better and you can set the lines where you want them. Cheers
Good morning thanks for the excellent review on telling us about this vehicle looking forward to seeing the next one cheers 👍🤠
Great vid! :) I'm really liking the new LC, look and feel. If you need a good auto to compare against the downhill decent speed, then the Disco 3 gearbox is really good. But that's on 31" tires. Good engine braking as well. Again, great vid! Will be fun to follow along, and yeah, auto is comfy and easy. 😊
Land cruiser owners are just learning what land rover owners learnt from their 2.7tdv6 back in 05.
We’ve been telling you for years Ronny, auto with small turbo diesel is the way to go
I definetly agree! best setups are those, where the auto gearbox gets the best performance curve of the engine. Loved the 1kzte + A343F combo in my KZJ95, also loved the YD25 + RE5R05A of the D40.
if.. you dont go 4x4ing.. learn to drive..
brilliant bit of real life use feedback of the auto 70. Thanks Ronny!
For not being a Toyota guy there are a few things I do like about it and that still comes down to the simplicity of the vehicle. There are not many electronics on it that can fail. Also instead of a electronic shifter for the transfer case it's an actual lever. Not too many vehicles these days being built with that. In my time as a mechanic I have replaced a fair amount of transfer case shift motors due to internal failure and it's a pain.
What I find to be the most interesting is the horrible wheel track difference front to back. Even my 1993 WD21 isn't that bad(15.24 MM total difference front to rear). You would think with the 4 cylinder they would take care of the front wheel track, but it is Toyota Engineering when you get down to it.
From what I can tell if I had to pick between a 76 Series and a Prado/4Runner(pretty much the same thing) I would probably go with the 76. Something about it just sits better with me and I feel it's still practical enough compared to the Troopy and 79 Series. As for the comfort, there are things you can do to improve that. That's easy to take care of.
What do you mean there aren’t many electronics that can fail? The engine is a modern engine with the full dpf and egr setup which are renowned for failing. Full electronic fuel control, sensors everywhere. The transmission is full electric control. The only place where it’s still “simple” is the interior, and if your power mirrors or windows stop working it’s not gonna leave you stranded in the bush
so,,you,d pay 90k for it, then 25k to fix it.. yup,, there simple.. simply bs..
@@harrywalker968 it's a Toyota, there is no such thing as fixing it except replacing it with a Nissan. And I'm sure the price would be way more reasonable in the States if it were available. That said chances are I doubt I would see myself owning a Toyota anyway
I just put this powertrain in my 1997 80 series Land Cruiser and it's awesome!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How much did it cost? Love my 80 series.
I love it it looks as retro and perfect as the bronco here in the states!
Thats a fine lil vehicle you got there man
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Having driven an auto in deep sand (jeep wrangler) and now own a manual 76, I'd take the auto any day
At this stage right now : what would you choose if you had the option of the 2.8 Auto 76 VS a 1VDJ V8 auto? ( if it was an option)
A FORTUNER that beats both in practicality, comfort and price😂
Can't even get this vehicle in the U.S. but I can't help but watch your reviews of it.
that gopro with horizontal stabilization enabled, shows the exact. feel of correct vehicle articulation
Well, toyota did surprise us all by keeping the 70 series alive and updated, and doing a good job at it... I must admit, I do criticize the 70 series alot, like why didnt toyota do this or why they keep doing that... Like this accursed track width or the fact that they COULD have added an auto for the V8 years ago, or they could have added full-time 4wd transfer case, or they could have offered a full coil sprung version, and so on.. But then I remind myself we should be grateful 70series even exists up to these days and those issues I can fix and modify. As long as the vehicle itself is being produced, new parts are being made, it's alive and will provide us with everything necessary for decades ahead. Like, I own a 61 series 12HT turbo with an auto and coil conversion with patrol axles, but these machines are becoming somewhat museum material, some parts are becoming really hard to find, and i'm getting reluctant to put it through punishment... One day I might retire this rig to casual overlanding and pick up a fresh 70 for hardcore stuff.
Okay
Spot on!
Toyota did build this as a 4x4 with coil on each corner, auto, 4 cylinder, solid axles - in alignment years ago.
The interior was far more viable than the farm truck interior offered today.
Dash sorta resembled an 80 series.
Yes, it was the original Prado globally but we Aussie's were deprived of it, our first Prado was the revamped 90 series.
There were many of them getting around imported by whomever back in the day.
They could have just revamped that with the new compliant 2.8 auto for today's environmental requirements.
That would sell extraordinary well in today's market.
If only Toyota would do it again, ah.
they keep the same shape, because your brainwashed into buying it, where other co,s. update looks build quality ect.. they dont.. your paying 90k, for something built in 1950..
Bout time a
nto was fitted but even that saying it's been to long. Plus the dash etc needs to be pushed more forward to allow more leg room. Plus the tracking from front axle to back axle should be the same. So why don't the manufacturers think of this. Just saying....
Hey Ronny I live in the UAE. And we run 12 psi on all 4 corners in really soft sand without beadlocks. Unless we drift or do stupid stuff. We are not worried about pop outs.
I busted my knee in Uni playing rugby and after 20 minutes of working a clutch, it's cooked and sore for the day. Can't wait to get this in a few years second hand instead of a Hilux!
I had a 200series auto for a while then went back to a manual Troopy in 2019. I no longer like autos. The transmission fluid gets hot; it wouldn't use 5th or 6th gears in low range, so get a stretch of good track and you're stuck at 40kph, the torque converter never locks up offroad so on desert trips, you'd use a lot more fuel. When towing, you always had to drop back a gear and it would rev harder. My experience is my 2019 V8 manual Troopy uses the same fuel as Prado autos when loaded up on desert trips. If they had a manual 2.8 Troopy, I'd consider buying one next time around - I'm OK with the engine.
Hi Ronny love your videos as a four wheel driver from Perth I get a lot of good info from you, but there is one situation where we differ in opinion you have always seemed to drive on beaches and dunes in low range i almost never do unless Im doing under about 40 km and its really soft and Im struggling in high range as believe sand driving is all about momentum, that being said we may differ because of the vehicles we drive as you have always had manual diesels and I drive a auto petrol Prado so maybe that is why we differ on this point , maybe the 70 being an auto is why its more suited to sand driving in high range I think that is why the transmission in the Ranger Raptor you test drove in the dunes was over heating just a thought.
I’ve upgraded my v8 with a g350 turbo, +70 injectors and ecu and there’s no way a 2.8 would even be close.
Great video, Ronny! Honestly looks like a very solid vehicle. I’d 100% buy one if it were available in the US.
US GOVT, EPA and NHSTA will not allow them. available all over the world. pathetic!
@@dundeeecroc we are only allowed to leave them all for terrorists to take, none for US citizens
@@dundeeecroc that is patently false. It's Toyota thinking that they cannot sell them in the U.S. for the price they'd have to charge after paying the chicken tax and with such a small demographic of people that would want these there. Americans like their luxuries and big power plants neither of which this has. Toyota wants you to buy the new Land Cruiser based on the Prado.
Beautiful! Design wise also I think it’s so spot on. Oh well I guess we get the Landcruiser here in the states.
They didn’t add stability control to Band-Aid rear end they added jt to meet minimum safety requirements ro they could keep selling them
Ronny, have you tried the LEFT FOOT AUTO BRAKING TECHNIQUE on steep descents to lock up the torque converter? May not work with this auto, but saved my bacon with my 1989 Range Rover Auto I campaigned off road for 19 years. I did 3 years of plummeting down steep tracks at twice the speed of the manuals, then learned the simple technique below:
If you are not familiar with it, here goes; As you slowly enter a steep descent, apply gentle braking with your left foot. As the tail lifts to full angle, gently halt the vehicle with the minimum brake pressure to do so. Now LOCK YOUR LEFT FOOT IN THIS POSITION UNTIL YOU REACH THE BOTTOM OF THE DESCENT. To move forward, you will need to accelerate, but you can speed up or button off and stop at any point simply with your right foot. Why it worked on the Rangie, the acceleration locked the ZF's torque converter so it couldn't free-wheel. Plus, the correct amount of brake was applied for that slope, no more no less. Does NOT work in reverse on a failed hill ascent as your front braking is stronger and can lock up.
Oh and humble apologies if you knew this technique already. Likely your Grandmother already knew to puncture both ends of the egg, clamp lips over blunt end and using suction gently draw the albumen through before the yoke...
thanks Ronnie, be interested to see how it tows.
Nice honest review. Front and rear lockers from factory on solid axles, whats not to like?
Great information. Keen to see more of it!
Loving these New 2.8l 70 vids! Has me considering the LC 250 here in the US. I too, am a skeptic. We'll see, can't wait till the next one. ;)
The 250 in the states is going to be a totally different animal
@@CA11100 Sorry guys and gals, the point I'm trying to make is that maybe this "new tech" (smaller displacement, turbo's, hybridization, etc), is going to be promising. I'm hopeful after watching these vids. I'm currently running a 23' GX 460 with V8, and I don't see how anything "new" could be better. Maybe it can???? Take care.
Surprising results, thanks😉
A dual cab with canopy and fridge would make a nice camp and adventure vehicle that won't fall apart after a few years. Plus i could sell it on for a decent price
Super keen to see how it performs under load and or towing
Looking forward to seeing how you mod it out in the future! I wonder how the 2.4l will compare...I'd buy the diesel in the US if I could.
cummins 2.8, better choice.. ausie..
Hi😀 Ronny I install my back camera inside my lc100, behind back window, I have always clean viev becouse I can use windshield wiper. Best regards from Poland 👍👍😀😀
I was dedicated to mamual until I got an auto. It is so much better in sand and still very capable everywhere else. For on road around town, it just can't be beaten.
??.. so you dont really go 4x4ing.. you let the vehicle drive itself, you have no input, no idea what its doing.. 2 diffs, 5 sp, manual t/case, no bs.. auto,s are death traps down hill. even with all the bs on them.. you have no control..
@@harrywalker968you ever driven one? You just manually select the gear in an auto no different to a manual. Downhill? You just select second or first low range, no different to a manual.
Automatics are only autos when you want them to be. The only difference is you have the option to use it as an auto when you want.
I drove Simpson desert one way with a manual and again with an auto made no difference. Except on sand dunes/beaches auto wins hands down.
I'm a great fan of letting machines make my life easier. I don't go 4wding for the sake of climbing hills and doing impassable tracks. My aim is to get to interesting places without breaking stuff and anything that makes that more likely gets my vote. Having driven an old Landcruiser 60 series manual and the more modern Prado auto, I can tell you that the 90 has never been bogged while the 60 certainly was. That makes getting to where I want to go faster and less stressful so yeah, if that's not real 4x4ing, I really don't care. @@harrywalker968
As for autos being death traps downhill, I beg to differ. In many situations they are great and very controlled and I have never had a stability issue. Maybe it's got more to do with experience and selecting the right hill to go down... @@harrywalker968
I can’t believe they didn’t correct the rear track issue.
I agree 100%
Slack and idle from Toyota!!
Never been a problem for me mate
The dash reversing screen isn't the problem, its the CAMERA & plastic lens !
It also looks like the number plate lights are shining directly into the lens at night, which is a major camera location FAIL. ..
Proud of you for restoring this vintage vehicle.
What was your experience with tyre sizes? Can you safely go bigger without to much affect on power? Will be fitting Maxxis on OE rims much like you have. Your advise would be great.
I appreciate how you're not against changing your mind. On ya Ronny.
Can’t you put sway bar disconnects and suspension upgrades to get more flex out of it? I run a 2015 jk 2 door that I’ve built for rock crawling so I know there’s loads of things they make for jeep suspensions to increase the wheel travel so I didn’t know if there is any upgraded parts made for the 70.
hey Ronny, apply frosted style clear vinyl on the hood, or flat black, like the old came trophy discoveries. helps heaps with the glare. you will start a trend! cheers from Costa Rica
those downhill dune runs had my booty puckered. great vid mate!
it'll be interesting to see how the auto goes with people who tow
some car companies say the last gear is an overdrive and shouldn't be towed in
Trans temps be interesting ronnie
I really wish they would sell these in the USA. We have the Jeep and the Ineos Grenadier.
Honestly, I would love to have an old 75 Troopy.
Just like the insanity of not fixing the wheel track, the insanity of not offering the V8 in twin turbo guise or single running the same boost pressure as the 2.8 and mated to the same auto from factory is an insult to all loyal customers. We all know the hypothetical sales result of the V8 if it was allowed to live the life we know it can in 70 series guise. 230kw V8 auto 70 series. That’s what people want, not a half baked hilux drivetrain that’s been plagued with issues from the very beginning. They pretty much redesigned the engine 3 years after release that’s how bad it was.
Other than power is it any better than the last of the y61 patrols? that have coils solid axels of equal length, our Patrol get 11.5
Hi Ronny
My 76 series 2.8 is arriving this week. One of my first mods I want to put in is the arb twin compressor using PDP’s under seat bracket. Have you used this setup on any of your 70’s? I’m just abit unsure about the heat underneath and how it will go.
Cheers
Great video as usual Ronnie. Tell me do you really need to put bigger tyres on it? Will the current arrangement you have allow you to do say 85% of the tracks you normally/likely do?
bigger tires allways a bonus.. you let your 33,s down, there 30''. the higher your diff centre, the better, but, you fit big tires to a jap 4x4, they use sht loads full, & no guts..if you fit bigger tires , you need to change diff ratio.. for low range.. i dont..
Interesting on everyone’s thoughts after 5 years of towing 4x4ing and general driving with the 2.8 compared to v8. I always go back to cubes always wins in the end.
The 4.5 litre 70 series is gutless when towing.
The whole V8 fiasco was never worth the price of admission.
Further development of the inline 6 and the option of an auto would always have been the better option.
Developed to the standard of any decent 2.8 or the VM 4.2 there would be 750 nm on tap all day not the 470 from that useless boat anchor.
The track issue came about because of 5he V8 installation.
It is clear Toyota themselves didn't think enough of the V8 to complete the installation.
Whilst we are lucky to be getting the 70 series here in Japan, Toyota have limited our options. We have a choice between militia/terrorist beige, black or white colours. They have also chosen a leather steering wheel (good thus far) with the top portion (50 minute to 10 minute mark on a clock) a polished wooden portion. That wooden part looks great, but when you've got sweaty hands in the summer, it is from experience, easy to lose your grip. I wish they had some optional steering wheels as I will never buy a vehicle with this type of steering wheel ever again. The accessory page on the Japanese Toyota website does not have any steering wheel options. Hopefully, there will be third party options, but that is extra cost and I prefer factory wherever possible.
Why would you want anything other than terrorist beige? Its the best.
Need to compare it to a 3.2L 4m41 Mitsubishi Pajero. It's had the same design for over 20years and I'm sure many car companies have sneakily had a Pajero in their factory, pulling it apart ,trying to figure out why they are such a versatile on and off road touring vehicle. Many people bag the pajero out but once they drive it they are pleasantly surprised
I have the 93-95 Prado 1-KZJ78 import, coil sprung all around, auto, great platform. You just have to deal with the modest power of the 1-KZTE motor. I love mine. Put a coil spring rear end on that new 2.8 and you’d have a modern equivalent, of the 78 Prado, I ‘d budget for that on the new one.
Now that is exactly as Toyota should have built this new option, just slotted the new 2.8 auto into that previous platform. Benefit would be a true track that gees, "it may have even flexed".
Christ, it would sell like hot cakes on a cold day.
I'm so glad you joined this comment.
For hard work such as Railway maintenance or towing cables and pipes around minesites the solid axle design works really well.
The best engine (type) for a bigger car is just a INLINE 6. Small enough to be efficient and big enough to handle a big compression load (aka Power) on 7 main bearings.
One main reason why it is the best engine is a perfekt primary AND secondary balance.
PS: I am not talking 6BT or catapilar engines in cars - that is absurd (but cool)
It sounds like dad like you’re more impressed with the 76 wheel base and the auto transmission as opposed to the four cylinder. An auto converter v8 would be a better comparison
I have the 2.8 in a Troopcarrier the taller gearing of the six speed auto helps with better fuel ⛽economy I am getting 10.8 lt/per 100 The V8 manual gearing 1st 4.529 2nd 2.94 3rd 1.490 4th 1.000 5th 0,750 The auto 1st 3.600 2nd 2.090 3rd 1.4883 4th 1.000 5th 0.6876 and 6th 0.5806 . I think 🤔messing with the tyre diameter could really go badly to fast downhill and to tall on the open road with a heavy load be interesting to watch how that goes
I've only done 400ks in the new V8 getting 10 lt/100 . The sweet spot for wheels on my old HZJ troopy is 285 75 16 can't wait to swap them over when I can get flares
Unfortunately it doesn't say on the spec sheet what diff ratios it's running. Were you using the down hill assist ? And the on the Hilux spec sheet , They don't say what the transfer low range ratio is. Maybe 32s will be the sweet spot for tyre size.
My concern will be longevity.
Toyota got its reliability name producing large lazy low revvving under powered and under stressed donks. Like the 1fz and 1vd also fit that mold. Now theyre turning the screws on a 4 pot. Which is great short term but cant help but wonder what we'll think in 20 years
Great down to earth review
Here in Guatemala we have this Beauty,but in V8, the 2.8 is for Hilux and Prado only, this 70 series is bullet proof, nothing like a V8
Thanks for the reveals...will be very interested to see how the 2.8 auto ages. There's a very clean 2013 VDJ78 (ex pilot vehicle) for sale in Collie ATM with 930,000 km on it...will the 2.8 even make it that far once tricked out and loaded, or towing?
What are they asking for it? How many rebuilds haha?
@@thomasjackson4743 $35k. Replaced alternator, water pump, aircon, front diff.
I wish they had these in the states. It’s such a shame!
Would love to see one of these set up for touring with a tune...
Put an Auto in the v8 cruiser - Ask Orto
I wish we got these in the US, this would be the perfect vehicle to be the 2025 4Runner.
Just ordered one today 🙌
Love to see you do the same comparative videos with the new Prado
Get it loaded up, then do all the same things and tell us how it goes. I also would also go manual over auto, even though I've had autos before. With Arthritis in hips and knees now, I'm starting to lean more towards getting an auto now over a manual. Pushing and riding a clutch is starting to hurt at times.
You’d get a manual but you’re leaning towards an auto over a manual???
I went from a manual to an automatic in 2022 and whilst it has its benefits, I would much prefer to have a manual. Enjoyment of driving is one major factor, but better control of engine braking with a manual whilst towing on Japan's many, many mountain passes with 180 degree curves is far better. The 'manual mode' with those stupid fiddly-flappy things is a disaster when your steering wheel is in extreme positions as you go around these curves which also tend to drastically change their gradient mid-curve.
There was a channel than did a drag race between a fully loaded 2.8L vs an empty V8.....the 2.8L still won by close to a second. When both are empty or fully loaded it's not even close.
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Don't you have manual controls on the gearstick itself (which you need to touch in a manual anyway).
I find it quite the opposite.
Been driving at lot of manuals in the european mountains and was extremely suprised how well my new auto vehicle handled it.
As long as the auto allow for full engine braking (preferably a torque converter) it's so much easier to drive uphill and downhill both on the road and off-road.
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Didn't Ronny do a dragrace between his loaded hilux (stock engine) and his mates loaded single cab 79 (not stock engine) and the 79 won?
I guess that's the main advantage of the v8, it's more tunable compared the 2.8.
Stock vs stock the 2.8 wins every time.
Put a dull clear wrap on the hood to help with light reflection.
Yes, great solution, that wraps it up..
I have a 2.8L turbo diesel in my jacked Delica, it walks uphill at 1500 rpm
The 2.8 is a great motor and the reason why the lc300 is so good
17psi in the dunes seems a bit high, in the middle east we run 10 psi non bead locks and 8 psi with bead locks. Do you guys ever go to 10 or 17 is your usual? In the UAE we are getting the V6 petrol engine (automatic and manual), I just booked a black one in manual, super excited :P