to everybody complaining/confused - surely this rule just means that when you're tackling somebody from behind, you have to fall forwards onto your front/knees, not onto your ass while swinging your legs out.
I’m not sure they can ban this, really tough to write a specific rule that targets this particular outcome. Would be insane to enforce if the NFL tried
The NRL in Australia did actually… something along the lines of “when the defender voluntarily leaves his feet whilst attempting a tackle behind, which places the other player in a dangerous position”… they were able to enforce it pretty well honestly
@@flammingallahs13I've seen the NRL explanatory video showing the 3 elements of the hip drop, and I think the last, the roll, is just a crap shoot as to whether it lands legally or not.
If it is being done on purpose, which is obviously being done. They can not do it on purpose. If you do a hip drop on a player and they get injured, hold the player that caused the injury out just as long.
I agree with PEAK's voiced commentary. I coach football, and it seems the objection to the hip drop is the random after-effect of bringing someone down. The tackler's body has to land somewhere, and he's not entirely in control of where it lands.
When tackling from the rear and the side rear there's no need to bring your hips into and under the man(as is taught from the front) it's this attempt that results in the tackler falling on the ball carriers lower body from the hip they just need to wrap up and pull down into themselves rotating if they want this is more than sufficient in bringing down any ball carrier running full tilt.
@@cazzac4817 There are a lot of things there's no *need* to do, yet would be difficult not to do. I can't imagine how much harder teaching kids to tackle would be if we also had to assure they didn't land on the opponent's legs, especially after some of the safe tackling techniques we promote tend to result in just that.
@@goodmaro you can land on the legs just not with your centre of gravity. A normal from the behind/ side tackle requires less work than a hip drop. Wilson has to physically work to get his body in position to do it. Look at rugby tackles from behind it will show the technique I'm talking about, do they land on legs, yes sometimes, but not as in a hip drop tackle. The only probably exists in regards to forward progress whereby the defender is trying to prevent forward motion which the hip drop does more effectively essentially collapsing the player more or less on the spot.
@@cazzac4817 I played rugby too, and although I was too slow to make tackles in games, in practice when I did I landed indiscriminately on whatever the player was trailing.
Commentary nailed it. It’s called ‘hip drop’ only if we have an injury. This is insane to consider this and will be enforced inconsistently and just be so unsatisfactory.
@@flammingallahs13 football isn’t rugby. Rugby is a contact sport football is a collision sport. Also in a game where distance matters most backs will carry a defender more yards if they “just try and wrap the legs” plus you’re ignoring the fact that people have already been going for the legs. And that’s resulted in much more knee injuries. You aren’t preventing an injury you’re transferring it somewhere else.
A good tackle where you wrap the legs means they won’t be able to use their legs… and it’s pretty hard to keep running forward when you can’t use your legs… These hip drops are just easier to teach and do… Additionally it is a fair point it results in more injuries to the knees, but not at the same rate high ankles are occurring from this style… since tackling round the legs typically designed to take both legs off the ground simultaneously or hit the thighs… neither of which put much stress on the knee… Collision is just a synonym for impact… they have the same meaning.
Sad to see this creeping in to American Football. In Rugby League this technique was banned a few years ago because it was clear it was being coached by certain teams and too many players were getting season ending injuries because of it. By all means tackle hard but there's no need at all to rotate your body in to their knees and fold them in half.
@@CollinDUBS as a long-time advocate against turf fields, tbh I don’t think turf is responsible for any of these injuries. The injuries demonstrated in this video are caused by defenders landing on the ball-carrier’s lower leg and trapping/crushing that leg against the ground. The issue isn’t the type of surface, it’s that there’s nowhere else for the leg/foot to go, which causes the ankle or knee to bend unnaturally and get injured.
It's stupid. It's literally just what happens when a runner tries to get by a tackler and the tackler holds on. The only way to avoid it is to tell the tackler to just give up on the play.
Every tackle has risks involved... If you keep chipping away what a defender can do eventually you will have 2 hand touch, how are you supposed to tackle a fast from behind/side?
The tackle shouldn't be banned,but you can also still run thru the tackle from the side or from behind and alligator roll. This tackle isn't dirty,but it's just as worse than horse collar.
Just be aware that the NFL isn’t the only one with an issue with this and. Trying to find a solution. Australian rules football is also addressing this issue. There are issues with the technique but with the horse collar and maybe now the hip drop, it does mean that tackling when your behind someone almost impossible. I want the guys to be safe but in also want to watch football. I’m not sure what the solution is.
Then don’t tackle from behind. If you’re a defender and an attacker has already gotten past you, and the only way you can bring them down is by risking injury to them… sorry but that’s not an excuse. Get defenders ahead of the guy and bring him down safely.
@@smala017 so if the ball carrier has beaten the defenders, or the defense has forced a turnover behind the offense the refs might as well blow the play dead and award them a touchdown. Might as well just start playing 2 hand touch
hip drop tackles are banned in rugby for a reason. it's not hard to enforce and imo an obvious thing to ban/implement a penalty for. obviously the players know and accept the risks and they aren't kids, but still.
@@anttikettunen8601 its the motion of it, its hard to explain through text. I tried to copy a link for a short video to explain it better with visual examples but it didnt work for some reason. If you search NRL hip drop rules you’ll be able to find it, will help give you a better understanding:)
@@anttikettunen8601if you look at the slide Wilson does to bring his body over Andrews that's the problem. I think he's attempting to get leverage so he can drive from from his hips but that's what causes the hip drop, Andrews goes down and so does Wilson collapsing his center of gravity onto Andrews ankle. The problem lies in treating a pursuit tackle like a front on tackle where you want/need that leverage you can't drive with your hips and legs in this way as that would be pushing the opponent to the end zone so he has to try and position it in the opposite direction of the ball carrier(bringing his hip over Andrews) . This is solved either by committing to the driving forward and likely tripping the ball carrier over with his own momentum(collapsing him forward with your body ontop of his ) or pulling down and wrapping the legs without bringing your body into his you also don't need to worry about leverage as much as its easier to tackle from behind/side as the upper body isn't defending the lower and center body.
If a player injures his leg, he's out for a few months. You don't see the lifelong consequences as with head injuries. Yeah, it sucks to have your favorite player out with an injury, but let's be honest- even a career ending injury to the leg won't stop someone from having a good life, while CTE absolutely does.
Yes. Exactly what I was saying to myself… you can’t ban this. At least it’s not to their head where it can ruin their life… here worst case scenario… they lose a step.. but their quality of life won’t diminish at all. Might never be able to play the game at the same high level… but that’s the risk u take playing football
I don’t see them going on strike to get better protection to the skull. They’re all signing those contracts and they love it like a race horse loves to run. I’d rather take the risk than sit in an office for 30 years
If you want an actual decent description of what a hip drop tackle is and is NOT, go have a look at the NRL video about hip drop tackles. Sets it all out perfectly.
Ban it! If you’ve played football you know the hip drop is from you pulling back and literally dropping down on their legs. They’ll just have to use more strength to force them sideways or forwards which will in turn lead to more yards and bigger plays more points more offense less injuries better football to watched
That's the status quo of the nfl for the past few years. Pro offense, they want big plays, and to eliminate injuries. But at what point do they go too far?
It's going to be banned like the "leading with helmet" tackles/rushing process was banned. Yea, it's against the rules, but rarely will it be enforced since it'll have to be very egregious to be called.
I've personally seen high school coaches coach this technique. Even do angle drills practicing this. Not too purposely hurt but i guess using momentum (science) to assist in the tackle... I guess. I'm still old school. Head in front of the ball, drive through the defender's waist. So many players try to tackle using juijitsu techniques and wrestling moves as everyone looks for an edge. Should they ban it though? I don't know. If you're targeting to hurt a player then penalize but to ban the tackle all together seems extreme. It's a fast-moving and sometimes you just end up in compromising positions
I despise the hip drop tackle. It is a major contributor to the broken legs, sprained ankles, and torn knee ligaments that happen every week. But removing it from the game will be such a huge disadvantage to the defense.
Unless you are going to bring back the horse collar tackle there isn't another way to bring someone down from behind. I guess you could ban all tackles from behind. That would certainly make playing offensive line easier.
So many of the clips you showed were obviously not hip drop tackles. The criteria is nowhere near as complicated as players and the media is making it seem. Hip drop tackles have been banned in rugby league for about a year now and it’s not hard at all to spot them, when players are all making the conscious effort to not land on the legs of the person they’re tackling, it’s brutally obvious when it does happen.
To be honest ive been watching nfl for years and ive never really seen this tackle its like they perfected it to injure players . And the next thing is ppl asking well how u supposed to tackle then the answer is simple you train and grind for that reason if yo ass aint strong enough or physical enough train more train harder ive never seen deon use that tackle nor ray nor sapp nor randell nor ed reed these guys where straight up animals on the field and trained there hardest off the field no need for dirty tackles
it isn’t a dirty tackle they made up the word “hip-drop” 2 months ago. They did everything legally. Also Ray lewis warren sap and all the other guys you listed have all had unnecessary roughness penalties on them, so if they’ve already done objectively dirty plays then they’ve definitely done something like a “hip-drop” tackle. There is no technique, it’s wrapping up a big runner and your options are to either drag him down or let him carry you 15 yards, so you drag him down. Simple, you say defenders just need to grind harder, but offensive players are legally allowed to chop at their knee caps, a running back is allowed to lower his shoulder while a defender can’t lower his. Those aren’t illegal because football is established as a dangerous contact sport, that has risks. If you are gonna carry the football you better be prepared to get hit and sometimes injuries happen. The “hip-drop” tackle is not a malicious technique to hurt players, it’s athletes dealing with basic physics. The defender isn’t always gonna have perfect leverage on a runner, so he needs to create leverage, and that involves sinks his hips to the ground and getting a runner down i.e. hip drop. The alternative is letting the runner blow by. If you want flag football just watch that. The only reason the legal commission is looking at this is because when offensive players get hurt the lose money. Not about player safety. If was about safety, turf fields would be banned 15 years ago. But, they don’t care about players, they don’t care about the game, they don’t care about safety, they care about money.
This video misunderstands what a hip drop is. What’s being considered is essentially the pull down from behind tackle, which is not difficult to distinguish and easy to legislate. Much like the horse collar tackle, it’s only dangerous and illegal when someone is pulled down directly from behind and their forward momentum is instantly halted, which poses the greatest risk of injury. The rule on horse collar is rarely called now because a) grabbing someone’s jersey and pulling them down from the side or front is not a horse collar, and b) defenders have adjusted their technique to mostly avoid doing it. The same is and will be true here
but your missing the fact that a hip drop tackle is not a quirk but a feature when it comes to defenders with lower momentum taking down bigger runners. It’s the same technique bull wranglers use. It’s the most and sometimes only effective way of taking down a big tight end. Pulling down a runner from behind and halting their momentum is in the job description of a Defensive player. To ban the hip-drop is to punish defenders for doing their jobs. Horse collars have inherent risk, and attack a vulnerable area of the body when a clearly safer alternative is there(wrapping up the body). But with hip-drops the only other option is just let the runner blow past you or hang on while he carries you 15 yards. Neither of those are options we can force on defenders and Hip-drops are a necessary part of this game.
The tacklers are grabbing the runners hips and not dragging the runner down, but using their (the tacklers) body weight to cause the runner's legs to basically crumble...... The tackler then winds up dropping all of their weight on the runner's legs.....
"Bring back the clothesline"Dick Night Train Lane.Rams Cards,and Lions HOF defensive back.Watch the highlights kids.He was once quoted as saying "there has never been a good tackle made below the neck".
They did… and people still don’t know what it looks like… they just know “the NFL banned something and we don’t like it”. Too many players get hurt on this technique and I don’t mind them banning it- I watch football to see the best. I want to see the starters play… not the backups.
Several of these at the beginning just clearly are not what the rule is about, they're suplexes, throwing the player to the ground and not even landing on them at all. Hit on Mahomes, no. Hurts, no. Mostert, no. The two Bengals/Ravens examples, no. He lands on their legs, yes, but that doesn't define it alone - he's diving as he initiates contact. The tackle on Pollard isn't, he's off his feet as he wraps up at the waist. The tackles on Geno & Jordan Travis are the best examples in here - they have the carrier in their grasp and THEN drop themselves on their legs.
My guy I'm just gonna say this controlling where your body lands while tackling someone going full sprint downfield as you come from the side or behind is not fucking doable most of the time lmao .05 seconds to do your best though
Anyone who’s actually tried to tackle a powerful running back knows the defense is just trying to get a takedown any way they can. Where are folks supposed to aim?
If done properly the hip drop tackle is different from a normal tackle. The tackler suspends his body in the air in a seated position while on the waist of the offender. So the offender legs/foot can not come out from the defenders butt/thigh/leg. All the weight collapse down in an awkward position effectively causing harm. If done incorrectly it looks like a normal tackle because it is a normal tackle. Perfect examples of defenders doing hip drop tackle literally doing a L hold(impressive) but obviously trying to cause harm. Would you want your favorite NFL player get a hip perfectly done hip drop tackle on them? Because it will take them out the game or season. That’s the real question
Doesn’t make sense to me either it’ll be way difficult to stop the run records will be broke easily more yardage in a years time than ever prevent defense not a good idea
I think nfl should allow to trip players with the feet especially from behind thats much safer than any tackle , i rather see a fking maldini slide tackle under the knees than a hip drop or a horse collar tackle
Excellent post ! U call it hip drop , I call it grab high, swing low - almost always using the hips to come down on the knee or ankles like a wrecking ball. It’s absolutely purposeful, and interestingly is done to key players as shown here. This is an advanced form of the horse collar which btw, by itself is harmless but they had to give it a name when it was derived from Terrell Owens injury as an Eagle against the cowboys. Once the ball carrier is grabbed high , the tackler leave’s his feet, immobilising the b carrier , his feet stuck to the ground bearing all the tackler’s weight, He hasn’t the time to protect himself before the wrecking ball comes down with an almost 100% purposeful success rate of injury to the ball carrier. It was happening a lot a few years ago, Wilson w the Seahawks by a niners linebacker and the bengals to Levon Bell ( Steelers). I thought maybe the league might have sent out discrete memos to each team to squelch it temporarily but it’s back.The NFL definitely has to do something, and they can because it is exactly like the horse collar. Perhaps they could go back to tackling in a good sportsmanship way, reaching out and grabbing the legs ? Quite interesting that many of these occur in divisional games and certainly playoffs. Perhaps the two plays u showed of the bengals on Jackson and Andrews earned them the kharma of losing Burrows in a freak wrist injury. How dumb of the nfl to fine Geno Smith for his anger, finally gets to start on a good team and after years of frustration almost getting a season ending injury by the desperate 1-4 giants. Willing to Ruin a guys season to win one game. I see we have some novices here. Tell u what, don’t do anything and it’ll turn out just like the constant rampant pass interference, grabbing ,holding that’s killing the game and u can just watch 2nd and third string QBs all season. Jus let em play man !
They didn't ban it after the Jaguars tried breaking Mahomes leg on purpose, so no they shouldn't ban it. That was the time to ban it. Just like when Brady got his knee broken they banned low hits on the QB. They should've banned the hip drop after Mahomes but since they didn't I saw it's legal. If the NFL isn't going to protect the face of the league then screw the rest of the players.
Thy might as well ban defence in total then cause at this point what can you do ??? You can't grab there legs to tackle thy break out of it or drag your ass to the end zone , you can't hit them harder then a feathers or it's a unnecessary roughness call , and now you can't tackle them from behind Soo plays done once thy past you
Hard to distinguish this from any other tackle. I guess flag football is coming. (Although some may say it is already here when the number of yellow flags are dropped in an often biased way)
It's football..... people are going to get hurt. Yeah it sucks but if your trying to tackle from behind kind of hard to lower your head and make a proper tackle
Ban this & we can just go to flags or 2 hand touch? Let’s create another rule that zebras can call ghost penalties on & change game outcomes. Defenders already have to make split second decisions but are not supposed to go high, not lead with their helmet, not go low on certain players, don’t pick the ball carrier up & slam them, & then make sure that they don’t land on the person they’re tackling. Really?
Seriously, let's just make this two hand touch or flag football. These are large athletic people trying to stop other large athletic people moving with enormous momentum. Defense in the NFL has been reduced to nothing as it is.
I could see them making this a foul actually, gives the refs another grey call option for tight games to make sure the outcome goes in Vegas's way. The game has already been ruined with all the defensive contact permitted on receivers, gone are the days of honesty in the NFL now that they are official partnered with FanDuel/Vegas.
Just because something is hard to ban doesn't mean it shouldn't be banned. Hip-drop tackles disproportionately injure players, and they will continue to become more and more prevalent due to their effectiveness. In a year where six starting QBs are out for the year with injury, it wouldn't surprise me if the NFL comes down hard to try to prevent injuries to star players this off-season.
As a former college football player. I would much rather someone try and knock me out then to have my ankle rolled up EVER AGAIN!! I had so many high ankle sprains while playing football the pain is so much worse and depending on severity it can take up to 4 months to heal. I had a very bad one thankfully during thr last game of the season. When I tell you I couldn’t walk straight I couldn’t walk straight whatsoever, I couldn’t put any form of weight down. I should’ve had surgery but I just let it heal naturally. Made it back in time for summer football. But anyway I digress, please for the love of God make more upper body hits legal again.
we pay them millions of dollars to chase a ball, I DO NOT care about safety. If they dont want to get hurt, dont play and dont earn millions of dollars
They literally made this rule just to give themselves the power to call penalties whenever they want
Just when you thought that they had banned every kind of dangerous tackle, hit, and stunt........they dream up a new one to outlaw.
It's not a dream when players keep getting injured from it.
to everybody complaining/confused - surely this rule just means that when you're tackling somebody from behind, you have to fall forwards onto your front/knees, not onto your ass while swinging your legs out.
The slams are not hip drop tackles. Hip drop tackles involve grab, twist, and falling with the majority of your weight on the ball carrier’s legs
I’m not sure they can ban this, really tough to write a specific rule that targets this particular outcome. Would be insane to enforce if the NFL tried
yeah, if they enforce, there will be a lot of bad callsthat are not actually dirty
The NRL in Australia did actually… something along the lines of “when the defender voluntarily leaves his feet whilst attempting a tackle behind, which places the other player in a dangerous position”… they were able to enforce it pretty well honestly
@@flammingallahs13I've seen the NRL explanatory video showing the 3 elements of the hip drop, and I think the last, the roll, is just a crap shoot as to whether it lands legally or not.
If it is being done on purpose, which is obviously being done. They can not do it on purpose. If you do a hip drop on a player and they get injured, hold the player that caused the injury out just as long.
Lets just have flag football. Take the L out of flag
I'm all for player safety, but I agree with this analysis. I don't think this tackle should be banned, even if it could be banned.
I agree with PEAK's voiced commentary. I coach football, and it seems the objection to the hip drop is the random after-effect of bringing someone down. The tackler's body has to land somewhere, and he's not entirely in control of where it lands.
When tackling from the rear and the side rear there's no need to bring your hips into and under the man(as is taught from the front) it's this attempt that results in the tackler falling on the ball carriers lower body from the hip they just need to wrap up and pull down into themselves rotating if they want this is more than sufficient in bringing down any ball carrier running full tilt.
@@cazzac4817 There are a lot of things there's no *need* to do, yet would be difficult not to do. I can't imagine how much harder teaching kids to tackle would be if we also had to assure they didn't land on the opponent's legs, especially after some of the safe tackling techniques we promote tend to result in just that.
@@goodmaro you can land on the legs just not with your centre of gravity. A normal from the behind/ side tackle requires less work than a hip drop. Wilson has to physically work to get his body in position to do it. Look at rugby tackles from behind it will show the technique I'm talking about, do they land on legs, yes sometimes, but not as in a hip drop tackle. The only probably exists in regards to forward progress whereby the defender is trying to prevent forward motion which the hip drop does more effectively essentially collapsing the player more or less on the spot.
@@cazzac4817 I played rugby too, and although I was too slow to make tackles in games, in practice when I did I landed indiscriminately on whatever the player was trailing.
Just give them flags at this point the game is so tailored to the offense already any more changes might as well make it flag football.
Commentary nailed it. It’s called ‘hip drop’ only if we have an injury.
This is insane to consider this and will be enforced inconsistently and just be so unsatisfactory.
I agree I don’t know how you could ban this and have any chance on defense
It's called gang tackling
This would just make defense almost impossible if they banned it. You really can’t tackle from behind anymore.
Wrap the legs, not the hips… how tackling from behind is taught in rugby…
It’s just as effective
lol. Acting like you can't tackle from behind without injuring people is absurd. Wrap up the legs as the previous person said.
@@flammingallahs13 football isn’t rugby. Rugby is a contact sport football is a collision sport. Also in a game where distance matters most backs will carry a defender more yards if they “just try and wrap the legs” plus you’re ignoring the fact that people have already been going for the legs. And that’s resulted in much more knee injuries. You aren’t preventing an injury you’re transferring it somewhere else.
A good tackle where you wrap the legs means they won’t be able to use their legs… and it’s pretty hard to keep running forward when you can’t use your legs…
These hip drops are just easier to teach and do…
Additionally it is a fair point it results in more injuries to the knees, but not at the same rate high ankles are occurring from this style… since tackling round the legs typically designed to take both legs off the ground simultaneously or hit the thighs… neither of which put much stress on the knee…
Collision is just a synonym for impact… they have the same meaning.
Sad to see this creeping in to American Football. In Rugby League this technique was banned a few years ago because it was clear it was being coached by certain teams and too many players were getting season ending injuries because of it. By all means tackle hard but there's no need at all to rotate your body in to their knees and fold them in half.
It seems to be an unintended consequence of players trying to adapt to the new rules on tackling. Also turf fields really dont help.
@@CollinDUBS as a long-time advocate against turf fields, tbh I don’t think turf is responsible for any of these injuries. The injuries demonstrated in this video are caused by defenders landing on the ball-carrier’s lower leg and trapping/crushing that leg against the ground. The issue isn’t the type of surface, it’s that there’s nowhere else for the leg/foot to go, which causes the ankle or knee to bend unnaturally and get injured.
It's stupid. It's literally just what happens when a runner tries to get by a tackler and the tackler holds on. The only way to avoid it is to tell the tackler to just give up on the play.
Every tackle has risks involved... If you keep chipping away what a defender can do eventually you will have 2 hand touch, how are you supposed to tackle a fast from behind/side?
The tackle shouldn't be banned,but you can also still run thru the tackle from the side or from behind and alligator roll. This tackle isn't dirty,but it's just as worse than horse collar.
Just be aware that the NFL isn’t the only one with an issue with this and. Trying to find a solution. Australian rules football is also addressing this issue. There are issues with the technique but with the horse collar and maybe now the hip drop, it does mean that tackling when your behind someone almost impossible. I want the guys to be safe but in also want to watch football. I’m not sure what the solution is.
Then don’t tackle from behind. If you’re a defender and an attacker has already gotten past you, and the only way you can bring them down is by risking injury to them… sorry but that’s not an excuse. Get defenders ahead of the guy and bring him down safely.
@@smala017 so if the ball carrier has beaten the defenders, or the defense has forced a turnover behind the offense the refs might as well blow the play dead and award them a touchdown. Might as well just start playing 2 hand touch
hip drop tackles are banned in rugby for a reason. it's not hard to enforce and imo an obvious thing to ban/implement a penalty for. obviously the players know and accept the risks and they aren't kids, but still.
I'm interested, how are they enforcing this? If you hit the hip and then by whatever reason your grab starts to go lower, it's penalized? Or how?
@@anttikettunen8601 you cant leave the ground and use your body weight to come down on the back of the legs. Its lazy tackling technique
@@mtr1der interesting. So it's ok if the tackler's feet stay on ground? Only penalized if he jumps to the tackle?
@@anttikettunen8601 its the motion of it, its hard to explain through text. I tried to copy a link for a short video to explain it better with visual examples but it didnt work for some reason. If you search NRL hip drop rules you’ll be able to find it, will help give you a better understanding:)
@@anttikettunen8601if you look at the slide Wilson does to bring his body over Andrews that's the problem.
I think he's attempting to get leverage so he can drive from from his hips but that's what causes the hip drop, Andrews goes down and so does Wilson collapsing his center of gravity onto Andrews ankle.
The problem lies in treating a pursuit tackle like a front on tackle where you want/need that leverage you can't drive with your hips and legs in this way as that would be pushing the opponent to the end zone so he has to try and position it in the opposite direction of the ball carrier(bringing his hip over Andrews) . This is solved either by committing to the driving forward and likely tripping the ball carrier over with his own momentum(collapsing him forward with your body ontop of his ) or pulling down and wrapping the legs without bringing your body into his you also don't need to worry about leverage as much as its easier to tackle from behind/side as the upper body isn't defending the lower and center body.
If a player injures his leg, he's out for a few months. You don't see the lifelong consequences as with head injuries. Yeah, it sucks to have your favorite player out with an injury, but let's be honest- even a career ending injury to the leg won't stop someone from having a good life, while CTE absolutely does.
Yes. Exactly what I was saying to myself… you can’t ban this. At least it’s not to their head where it can ruin their life… here worst case scenario… they lose a step.. but their quality of life won’t diminish at all. Might never be able to play the game at the same high level… but that’s the risk u take playing football
I don’t see them going on strike to get better protection to the skull. They’re all signing those contracts and they love it like a race horse loves to run. I’d rather take the risk than sit in an office for 30 years
I'm pretty sure the hip drop is still legal as long as you don't actually trap the players legs under your body when you fall.
If you want an actual decent description of what a hip drop tackle is and is NOT, go have a look at the NRL video about hip drop tackles. Sets it all out perfectly.
Ban it! If you’ve played football you know the hip drop is from you pulling back and literally dropping down on their legs. They’ll just have to use more strength to force them sideways or forwards which will in turn lead to more yards and bigger plays more points more offense less injuries better football to watched
That's the status quo of the nfl for the past few years. Pro offense, they want big plays, and to eliminate injuries. But at what point do they go too far?
this is srsly something that ends peoples careers. injuries can cause some permanent damage at a young age, ruining young studs careers
Literally every single play carries the risk of death and paralysis. Football is not safe and cannot be made safe.
@@newerest1 It can be made safer. That's why they have pads and rules.
@@encycl07pedia-just play flag atp
The tackle on geno out of bounds was BS in all honesty though
The “Hip Drop tackle” is a new made up name for a tackle.
It's going to be banned like the "leading with helmet" tackles/rushing process was banned. Yea, it's against the rules, but rarely will it be enforced since it'll have to be very egregious to be called.
I've personally seen high school coaches coach this technique. Even do angle drills practicing this. Not too purposely hurt but i guess using momentum (science) to assist in the tackle... I guess. I'm still old school. Head in front of the ball, drive through the defender's waist. So many players try to tackle using juijitsu techniques and wrestling moves as everyone looks for an edge. Should they ban it though? I don't know. If you're targeting to hurt a player then penalize but to ban the tackle all together seems extreme. It's a fast-moving and sometimes you just end up in compromising positions
The tackle on Lamar Jackson didn’t seem like the same thing as the other examples they were showing… it was an ankle tackle
Yeah it wasn't. there were even some suplexes which aren't it. I don't think the sack on mahomes was particularly clear either
Another idea for the NFL : Ban shoulder charge, like in rugby.
I despise the hip drop tackle. It is a major contributor to the broken legs, sprained ankles, and torn knee ligaments that happen every week. But removing it from the game will be such a huge disadvantage to the defense.
Unless you are going to bring back the horse collar tackle there isn't another way to bring someone down from behind. I guess you could ban all tackles from behind. That would certainly make playing offensive line easier.
So many of the clips you showed were obviously not hip drop tackles. The criteria is nowhere near as complicated as players and the media is making it seem. Hip drop tackles have been banned in rugby league for about a year now and it’s not hard at all to spot them, when players are all making the conscious effort to not land on the legs of the person they’re tackling, it’s brutally obvious when it does happen.
To be honest ive been watching nfl for years and ive never really seen this tackle its like they perfected it to injure players . And the next thing is ppl asking well how u supposed to tackle then the answer is simple you train and grind for that reason if yo ass aint strong enough or physical enough train more train harder ive never seen deon use that tackle nor ray nor sapp nor randell nor ed reed these guys where straight up animals on the field and trained there hardest off the field no need for dirty tackles
it isn’t a dirty tackle they made up the word “hip-drop” 2 months ago. They did everything legally. Also Ray lewis warren sap and all the other guys you listed have all had unnecessary roughness penalties on them, so if they’ve already done objectively dirty plays then they’ve definitely done something like a “hip-drop” tackle. There is no technique, it’s wrapping up a big runner and your options are to either drag him down or let him carry you 15 yards, so you drag him down. Simple, you say defenders just need to grind harder, but offensive players are legally allowed to chop at their knee caps, a running back is allowed to lower his shoulder while a defender can’t lower his. Those aren’t illegal because football is established as a dangerous contact sport, that has risks. If you are gonna carry the football you better be prepared to get hit and sometimes injuries happen. The “hip-drop” tackle is not a malicious technique to hurt players, it’s athletes dealing with basic physics. The defender isn’t always gonna have perfect leverage on a runner, so he needs to create leverage, and that involves sinks his hips to the ground and getting a runner down i.e. hip drop. The alternative is letting the runner blow by. If you want flag football just watch that. The only reason the legal commission is looking at this is because when offensive players get hurt the lose money. Not about player safety. If was about safety, turf fields would be banned 15 years ago. But, they don’t care about players, they don’t care about the game, they don’t care about safety, they care about money.
They keep showing suplex tackles, which NOT a hip drop tackle.
This video misunderstands what a hip drop is. What’s being considered is essentially the pull down from behind tackle, which is not difficult to distinguish and easy to legislate. Much like the horse collar tackle, it’s only dangerous and illegal when someone is pulled down directly from behind and their forward momentum is instantly halted, which poses the greatest risk of injury. The rule on horse collar is rarely called now because a) grabbing someone’s jersey and pulling them down from the side or front is not a horse collar, and b) defenders have adjusted their technique to mostly avoid doing it. The same is and will be true here
but your missing the fact that a hip drop tackle is not a quirk but a feature when it comes to defenders with lower momentum taking down bigger runners. It’s the same technique bull wranglers use. It’s the most and sometimes only effective way of taking down a big tight end. Pulling down a runner from behind and halting their momentum is in the job description of a Defensive player. To ban the hip-drop is to punish defenders for doing their jobs. Horse collars have inherent risk, and attack a vulnerable area of the body when a clearly safer alternative is there(wrapping up the body). But with hip-drops the only other option is just let the runner blow past you or hang on while he carries you 15 yards. Neither of those are options we can force on defenders and Hip-drops are a necessary part of this game.
Love your take on this and completely agree. Unfortunately, the NFL will be flag football within 15 years
Legal tackle, if you don't want to get hurt, go down instead of running
The only way to stop it is to have the offensive player give up on the play once contact is initiated
He did the same shit the Odell in that game and he got hurt and sat out for the rest of the game. Everybody dude touched got hurt the day
It’s American football . There’s always injury . If u remove it, it’s not football u can’t call it football
The tacklers are grabbing the runners hips and not dragging the runner down, but using their (the tacklers) body weight to cause the runner's legs to basically crumble...... The tackler then winds up dropping all of their weight on the runner's legs.....
These just look like normal tackles. Even if they do ban it i dont see how they can ever call this in a game. They all just look normal
"Bring back the clothesline"Dick Night Train Lane.Rams Cards,and Lions HOF defensive back.Watch the highlights kids.He was once quoted as saying "there has never been a good tackle made below the neck".
I understand the reason for banning it, but how are players supposed to take them down? There aren't many options left to take them down after this.
I think it’s a great thing but some players are going to blow up offensively. Running backs and TE’s will go crazy next year and beyond
They did… and people still don’t know what it looks like… they just know “the NFL banned something and we don’t like it”.
Too many players get hurt on this technique and I don’t mind them banning it- I watch football to see the best. I want to see the starters play… not the backups.
Don't ban any tackling, period!
Imagine HARBARF's RAVENS being at the center of a controversy
just give em flags and ban all tackling
WAIT HOL UP ECK IS DOING FOOTBALL NOW?
Thank Mahomo and his owners for this
Several of these at the beginning just clearly are not what the rule is about, they're suplexes, throwing the player to the ground and not even landing on them at all. Hit on Mahomes, no. Hurts, no. Mostert, no. The two Bengals/Ravens examples, no. He lands on their legs, yes, but that doesn't define it alone - he's diving as he initiates contact. The tackle on Pollard isn't, he's off his feet as he wraps up at the waist.
The tackles on Geno & Jordan Travis are the best examples in here - they have the carrier in their grasp and THEN drop themselves on their legs.
You can take some down from behind but twisting and dropping on the legs is crazy.
My guy I'm just gonna say this controlling where your body lands while tackling someone going full sprint downfield as you come from the side or behind is not fucking doable most of the time lmao .05 seconds to do your best though
Yes you can. I'll just let the professionals make the rules. It's being talked about for a reason...
Just bring out the waist flags at this point. LOL!!
It's only a matter of time before they look back at Bo Jackson and decide to ban "shoelace tackles"
😂😂😂 no fun league
Anyone who’s actually tried to tackle a powerful running back knows the defense is just trying to get a takedown any way they can. Where are folks supposed to aim?
Aim for the nutz
If done properly the hip drop tackle is different from a normal tackle. The tackler suspends his body in the air in a seated position while on the waist of the offender. So the offender legs/foot can not come out from the defenders butt/thigh/leg. All the weight collapse down in an awkward position effectively causing harm.
If done incorrectly it looks like a normal tackle because it is a normal tackle. Perfect examples of defenders doing hip drop tackle literally doing a L hold(impressive) but obviously trying to cause harm.
Would you want your favorite NFL player get a hip perfectly done hip drop tackle on them? Because it will take them out the game or season. That’s the real question
Rugby league has banned this tackle. But if you ban this for NFL, might as well play with Nomore pads and helmets lol
The nfl should drop the subject of banning certain tackles.
Great explanation of what a hip drop tackle isnt
Rugby fan?
None of these offensive players would have lasted a second in the arena league, where most of the players play both sides of the ball.
Doesn’t make sense to me either it’ll be way difficult to stop the run records will be broke easily more yardage in a years time than ever prevent defense not a good idea
Horse collar tackles are banned. Fans adjusted, strategies adjusted.
Great video and to the point! Awesome job
I think nfl should allow to trip players with the feet especially from behind thats much safer than any tackle , i rather see a fking maldini slide tackle under the knees than a hip drop or a horse collar tackle
Excellent post ! U call it hip drop , I call it grab high, swing low - almost always using the hips to come down on the knee or ankles like a wrecking ball. It’s absolutely purposeful, and interestingly is done to key players as shown here. This is an advanced form of the horse collar which btw, by itself is harmless but they had to give it a name when it was derived from Terrell Owens injury as an Eagle against the cowboys. Once the ball carrier is grabbed high , the tackler leave’s his feet, immobilising the b carrier , his feet stuck to the ground bearing all the tackler’s weight, He hasn’t the time to protect himself before the wrecking ball comes down with an almost 100% purposeful success rate of injury to the ball carrier. It was happening a lot a few years ago, Wilson w the Seahawks by a niners linebacker and the bengals to Levon Bell ( Steelers). I thought maybe the league might have sent out discrete memos to each team to squelch it temporarily but it’s back.The NFL definitely has to do something, and they can because it is exactly like the horse collar. Perhaps they could go back to tackling in a good sportsmanship way, reaching out and grabbing the legs ? Quite interesting that many of these occur in divisional games and certainly playoffs. Perhaps the two plays u showed of the bengals on Jackson and Andrews earned them the kharma of losing Burrows in a freak wrist injury. How dumb of the nfl to fine Geno Smith for his anger, finally gets to start on a good team and after years of frustration almost getting a season ending injury by the desperate 1-4 giants. Willing to Ruin a guys season to win one game. I see we have some novices here. Tell u what, don’t do anything and it’ll turn out just like the constant rampant pass interference, grabbing ,holding that’s killing the game and u can just watch 2nd and third string QBs all season. Jus let em play man !
Just give them flags😂
They’re only doing this to protect the owner’s assets that will get paid regardless of injury
Just play 2 hand touch on foam mats.
Honestly the tackle on Lamar was just diving at his legs, not the same as the Pollard or Andrew’s hip drop to me
That's a kane gatame from Judo lol
They didn't ban it after the Jaguars tried breaking Mahomes leg on purpose, so no they shouldn't ban it. That was the time to ban it. Just like when Brady got his knee broken they banned low hits on the QB. They should've banned the hip drop after Mahomes but since they didn't I saw it's legal. If the NFL isn't going to protect the face of the league then screw the rest of the players.
There will be a flag on every play
the nfl is going to ban tackling before they make owners maintain grass on their football field. pathetic
This is the beginning of the END of football
Thy might as well ban defence in total then cause at this point what can you do ??? You can't grab there legs to tackle thy break out of it or drag your ass to the end zone , you can't hit them harder then a feathers or it's a unnecessary roughness call , and now you can't tackle them from behind Soo plays done once thy past you
NFL is about offense and points. DB's are going to have to tackle derrick henry square up lol smh
Hard to distinguish this from any other tackle. I guess flag football is coming. (Although some may say it is already here when the number of yellow flags are dropped in an often biased way)
Looks like a normal fucking tackle to me
Why post the Travis vid, that is brutal
What utter nonsense. It's called a "desperation tackle from behind."
It's football..... people are going to get hurt. Yeah it sucks but if your trying to tackle from behind kind of hard to lower your head and make a proper tackle
Why not just make it illegal to tackle from behind? Can't block from behind.
"ootcome" Canada much? 🍁
Ban this & we can just go to flags or 2 hand touch? Let’s create another rule that zebras can call ghost penalties on & change game outcomes.
Defenders already have to make split second decisions but are not supposed to go high, not lead with their helmet, not go low on certain players, don’t pick the ball carrier up & slam them, & then make sure that they don’t land on the person they’re tackling. Really?
The offensive player shouldn’t be allowed to break tackles then!
Can’t wait til they ban tackling so I can laugh.
They should take the helmets and pads off and play tag
Bummer it’s banned now.
2 hand touch incoming
Tackling all together should be banned, the runner should be penalized and fined for trying to get away also.
Can't hit them high, can't hit them low. Da fuck NFL?
Seriously, let's just make this two hand touch or flag football. These are large athletic people trying to stop other large athletic people moving with enormous momentum. Defense in the NFL has been reduced to nothing as it is.
Srsly how stupid can you be
I could see them making this a foul actually, gives the refs another grey call option for tight games to make sure the outcome goes in Vegas's way.
The game has already been ruined with all the defensive contact permitted on receivers, gone are the days of honesty in the NFL now that they are official partnered with FanDuel/Vegas.
News flash People don't try to tackle like this tryna get a grown man to the ground Is not easy
it looks like a normal tackle to me.....??? what they supose to do...not tackle someone from behind????? weird
What do y'all want???? 2 hand tag???
two-hand is too violent.
one finger touch.
Just because something is hard to ban doesn't mean it shouldn't be banned. Hip-drop tackles disproportionately injure players, and they will continue to become more and more prevalent due to their effectiveness. In a year where six starting QBs are out for the year with injury, it wouldn't surprise me if the NFL comes down hard to try to prevent injuries to star players this off-season.
As a former college football player. I would much rather someone try and knock me out then to have my ankle rolled up EVER AGAIN!! I had so many high ankle sprains while playing football the pain is so much worse and depending on severity it can take up to 4 months to heal. I had a very bad one thankfully during thr last game of the season. When I tell you I couldn’t walk straight I couldn’t walk straight whatsoever, I couldn’t put any form of weight down. I should’ve had surgery but I just let it heal naturally. Made it back in time for summer football. But anyway I digress, please for the love of God make more upper body hits legal again.
Ban it. It’ll make for more offense and more penalty’s.
game with a lot of penalties is unwatchable
just go to 2 hand touch, or flag
we pay them millions of dollars to chase a ball, I DO NOT care about safety. If they dont want to get hurt, dont play and dont earn millions of dollars