hey bud , i do hate the primal spring nerf just as much as you , but i would recommend you watch how Team Heroic played MK in the wallachya season 2 tournament. Ive been playing MK again and is all about the shard and the jump facet. You can play pos 1/2/3 as a tempo core or go pos 4 with the chance to scale to utility carry . still good , requires some retraining do , to get used to this primal spring ( tip try to use your mischief less as a damage disjoint and more as a tool to get primal spring off ) Good video
MK is not unplayable, it still good but now it’s more like a semi core, it’s needs another semi core. Heroic stomped Falcons in the PGL Finals with POS 1 mk
Please do not compare professional games with pub games. If you pick a good MK draft then of course mk can work. that is why io carry worked for OG back in the day because they drafted around there heroes. not play individually like we do. good example is juggernaut. he has above 50% winrate in pubs and 40% winrate in pro plays. I think liquid also have a short where they say that jugg is bad.
@@annov The competitive scene reflects on high mmr pubs (8k+) and vice-versa, you can go on dota pro tracker and you'll see that MK is still going strong, it has 52%+ wr on pos 2 and 3, tho it's not pos 1 because the current meta is hard carry ranged pos 1 like sf, medusa, luna, etc, nevertheless the point is that MK still is a very playable semi-core hero. Also, juggernaut is trash in pubs and in the pro-scene, this is common knowledge in the immortal bracket, there is know way to salvage yurnero
I will still disagree that competitive scenes reflects mmr games. MK has 53% winrate pos 2 and in immortal bracket this winrate falls to 47%. there draft pick is way more stratagic and well coordinated. also the only way to win is to buy glipner and items to keep them in your ult because thats his biggest appeal. his ult can do alot when paired with good heroes that also helps him pin down targets in your ult. but feels useless when you cant do that and they just walk out of your ult.
Actually he is still my best hero atm even tho he got nerfed. on mid the facette with the jump is still really good tho just need to carry some salves with me which is annoying have reached immortal because of that. Edit: I play him with many wraith bands and focus rly hard on ganks if the lane is not HEAVY favorable for the enemy and mk gets his levels its pretty much easy game just level 4-14 ult if needed and then i go for talents and stats primal spring comes at last weird but you can man up pretty hard. item build is pretty standard Phase boots -> gleipnir ->agha the rest is pretty situational. won with this against many counters and unfavorable matchups
Yep they also didnt let topson have mk in any game either insta ban or pick it first so this vid is pretty cap mk is meta still even after the w nerf btw the w was to nerf the farming speed of mk before that nerf mks in 12k+ pubs rushed bf and mega farmed before the enemy carry could do anything mk also has degenerate ways to move around map with the facet like a pseudo mid and gank enemy pos1 then go back to farming to be honest mk has the strongest early game among all carries paired with strong laning and also has insane combo potential with dark seer etc. have you seen pubs before ti? Every game was ds+mk before these 2 got nerfed now the bf mk is not am on roids but the hero is still more than viable
God I was thinking exactly the same thing, I hope that at least they buff his passive ability so that it can be activated every 4 hits on heroes equally on all and not individually on each one since he has no tool to survive an initial burst, his ultimate It takes a long time to activate, so it is also almost impossible to put it in a good place and that they reverse the tree dance nerf... The actual MK makes no sense in this game with heroes like Faceless or Jugg who are also walking ultimates
@@nouka72 The thing is that you can already detect illusions since those do not activate the mastery... at least as far as I know and it said that it was 4 hits because really until the 4th you are not taking advantage of the passive, they can give you a chain of stuns and you end up dead right on the third hit and it is as if you never had the mastery in the first place
@@Nerfeon damn never seen a comment scream skill issue like this bro go start buying less dumb early game items and rely less on passive and more on r if you wanna do passive gaming go buy echo saber+diffu/mage slayer into bkb dont follow build guides because they either outdated copy cats of high rated pubs (1-2 games and picks not considered) or straight up made by archons and below if you wanna see meta gaming go watch ti there is a reason why liquid literally has 0 losses this ti they played the meta game perfectly besides that mk was still very popular in ti which implies this hero is also meta btw have you seen the games vs topson? they kept banning or picking sniper/mk every game so this tells you something
@@Nerfeonand reverting simian stride change is mental because the hero just becomes midas cheats with bf farms faster than any other carry luna and sven included
@@nouka72if it werent insane it wouldnt be this popular in ti the jump cd is a nerf to super fast farm he had with that facet he was able to farm faste than any other carry his farm speed is still decent but hero is now better as mid above decent as 1 very VERY strong mid laner unless hard countered and even with "counters" its very hard to lane aganist mk its almost impossible to lose lane as mk mid its similiar to lone druid of about a year ago before the bear nerfs if you dont believe me just watch the pros do it you will see it with your own eyes
different meta, even in sea immortal rank it isn't that much picked anymore as a 2. and the video already said mk did not scale well in ultra-late while there are hero like sand king or even lesh that can perform much better in team fight.for mk, networth won't win you a game but a snowball is.
8 years?????
DAMN I feel old
Right? I played the year he got released. Boy, felt like last month
u r that old now my friend
bro this is not monkey king, this is just straight up monkey
from scary Carry/Mid now a support and ass carry
The craziest part of this video is 8 YEARS?!??!
"Leave me alone, I am a ward."
Please for the love of God do not play Monkey King offlane, bad advice, that is griefing.
Great video and nice to have you back after two weeks
Late game monkey king with shard bkb refresher is an absolute monster.
hey bud , i do hate the primal spring nerf just as much as you , but i would recommend you watch how Team Heroic played MK in the wallachya season 2 tournament. Ive been playing MK again and is all about the shard and the jump facet. You can play pos 1/2/3 as a tempo core or go pos 4 with the chance to scale to utility carry . still good , requires some retraining do , to get used to this primal spring ( tip try to use your mischief less as a damage disjoint and more as a tool to get primal spring off ) Good video
they can’t decide what he is, honestly he needs a rework. bring back Basher procing on MKs ult
parker's monekey disagrees
MK is not unplayable, it still good but now it’s more like a semi core, it’s needs another semi core. Heroic stomped Falcons in the PGL Finals with POS 1 mk
Please do not compare professional games with pub games. If you pick a good MK draft then of course mk can work. that is why io carry worked for OG back in the day because they drafted around there heroes. not play individually like we do. good example is juggernaut. he has above 50% winrate in pubs and 40% winrate in pro plays. I think liquid also have a short where they say that jugg is bad.
@@annov The competitive scene reflects on high mmr pubs (8k+) and vice-versa, you can go on dota pro tracker and you'll see that MK is still going strong, it has 52%+ wr on pos 2 and 3, tho it's not pos 1 because the current meta is hard carry ranged pos 1 like sf, medusa, luna, etc, nevertheless the point is that MK still is a very playable semi-core hero. Also, juggernaut is trash in pubs and in the pro-scene, this is common knowledge in the immortal bracket, there is know way to salvage yurnero
I will still disagree that competitive scenes reflects mmr games. MK has 53% winrate pos 2 and in immortal bracket this winrate falls to 47%. there draft pick is way more stratagic and well coordinated. also the only way to win is to buy glipner and items to keep them in your ult because thats his biggest appeal. his ult can do alot when paired with good heroes that also helps him pin down targets in your ult. but feels useless when you cant do that and they just walk out of your ult.
What you mean by 8 years since his release? 💀💀
Actually he is still my best hero atm even tho he got nerfed. on mid the facette with the jump is still really good tho just need to carry some salves with me which is annoying have reached immortal because of that.
Edit: I play him with many wraith bands and focus rly hard on ganks if the lane is not HEAVY favorable for the enemy and mk gets his levels its pretty much easy game just level 4-14 ult if needed and then i go for talents and stats primal spring comes at last weird but you can man up pretty hard.
item build is pretty standard Phase boots -> gleipnir ->agha the rest is pretty situational. won with this against many counters and unfavorable matchups
eight..... damn
Bro is maybe 2K mmr at most
amazing video, i especially love the WHY meme at 0:58
isn't mk like super popular this TI?
Yep they also didnt let topson have mk in any game either insta ban or pick it first so this vid is pretty cap mk is meta still even after the w nerf btw the w was to nerf the farming speed of mk before that nerf mks in 12k+ pubs rushed bf and mega farmed before the enemy carry could do anything mk also has degenerate ways to move around map with the facet like a pseudo mid and gank enemy pos1 then go back to farming to be honest mk has the strongest early game among all carries paired with strong laning and also has insane combo potential with dark seer etc. have you seen pubs before ti? Every game was ds+mk before these 2 got nerfed now the bf mk is not am on roids but the hero is still more than viable
meta in ti and pubs are different
God I was thinking exactly the same thing, I hope that at least they buff his passive ability so that it can be activated every 4 hits on heroes equally on all and not individually on each one since he has no tool to survive an initial burst, his ultimate It takes a long time to activate, so it is also almost impossible to put it in a good place
and that they reverse the tree dance nerf... The actual MK makes no sense in this game with heroes like Faceless or Jugg who are also walking ultimates
if u do that u cant find enemy real hero in illu situation, actually just make it 3 hits and 3 jinggu attack or 4 attack for linger duration of attack
@@nouka72 The thing is that you can already detect illusions since those do not activate the mastery... at least as far as I know
and it said that it was 4 hits because really until the 4th you are not taking advantage of the passive, they can give you a chain of stuns and you end up dead right on the third hit and it is as if you never had the mastery in the first place
@@Nerfeon damn never seen a comment scream skill issue like this bro go start buying less dumb early game items and rely less on passive and more on r if you wanna do passive gaming go buy echo saber+diffu/mage slayer into bkb dont follow build guides because they either outdated copy cats of high rated pubs (1-2 games and picks not considered) or straight up made by archons and below if you wanna see meta gaming go watch ti there is a reason why liquid literally has 0 losses this ti they played the meta game perfectly besides that mk was still very popular in ti which implies this hero is also meta btw have you seen the games vs topson? they kept banning or picking sniper/mk every game so this tells you something
@@Nerfeonand reverting simian stride change is mental because the hero just becomes midas cheats with bf farms faster than any other carry luna and sven included
Man i just rush aghs
How did he get nerfed? He's still insane.
what u mean insane? 1 of the worst bad win rate heroes in the patch. that jump cd on creep hit just stupid
@@nouka72if it werent insane it wouldnt be this popular in ti the jump cd is a nerf to super fast farm he had with that facet he was able to farm faste than any other carry his farm speed is still decent but hero is now better as mid above decent as 1 very VERY strong mid laner unless hard countered and even with "counters" its very hard to lane aganist mk its almost impossible to lose lane as mk mid its similiar to lone druid of about a year ago before the bear nerfs if you dont believe me just watch the pros do it you will see it with your own eyes
different meta, even in sea immortal rank it isn't that much picked anymore as a 2. and the video already said mk did not scale well in ultra-late while there are hero like sand king or even lesh that can perform much better in team fight.for mk, networth won't win you a game but a snowball is.
i play nothing but monkey kind and eartheater, the 2 chars everybody just calls perma shit 🥲
Doesnt Matter, If u have fun!