TIPS: - Use a brass drift punch when trying to seperate things that hold bearings. Smacking theing hold bearings like the uni's will pit or flaten races/rollers/bearings leading to early failure, while at it, those welding, ensure current path never goes through bearings, they arc and die very fast afterwards. - When tapping, just like shagging, don't go in dry. As you are not pulling the pinion seals, the cast iron powder/chips will end up in there. Grease the tap to hold onto the debre.
Really fumbled the bag not getting a Harrop E-Locker, I broke multiple air lockers before putting the harrop in and the thing is super strong. Airlockers are old tech.
Great job 🎉 BUT the rear LSD IS DEBATABLE 😂 I’m a 105 series guy BY HEART and the LSD is a pretty well open diff as we all know but hey I did put the Harrop E locker in the front with the solid pinion spacer and it changed the car’s ability 100% I had no drama with it and used on a weekly basis Enjoy the capabilities
Another great video! Just a quick note, open diffs actually distribute torque 50:50 all the time, and it's not until the diff is locked can you distribute the torque differently from one side to the other. An axle doesn't have to be moving to experience torque. Just like a nut that's tight and you're still pulling on the spanner is experiencing a torque but not moving.
Ditto, I was about to make a comment along these lines. They split torque 50/50, when one wheel has limited traction (i.e. raised off ground) the opposite wheel will see the same torque which won't be enough to get it moving. Learning advanced driving techniques like left for braking can assist with this. Not a locker, but can help get traction in difficult terrain with open diffs.
Well done. Don’t beat yourself up about time taken. 3 days is still pretty good for a DIY. Granted it’s a lot easier with a hoist. I’ve recently fitted a 4wd Lokka at home not a small job. But totally changed its off road ability. One of the best upgrades 👍
I went for an auto locker in the front of mine as it’s part time 4wd with manual hubs. I also went with the TJM pro locker in the rear, but have no air system just yet to use it haha. Still having just the front locker makes a huge difference!
I'd recommend the auto lockers. Always engaged when you need it, and disengaged when you don't. Backlash setup is important to get them to engage and disengaged properly though.
@@Robert-cu9bm Yeah absolutely. I installed mine myself and it was very easy. People complain of the clicking too and I don't even hear it unless I am really trying to listen for it. It does make the steering a little heavy so if I was driving where I would use 4wd a lot and had the extra money I would choose an air locker.
I used to have an auto Lokka in the front and detroit auto locker in the rear. Loved it offroad. Onroad, was still ok. Best bang for buck mod for a part time 4x4
@@dustyfarmer not all the time, but every few weeks at random it would let out a terrifying bang. The front one would click a lot when turning tightly when in 4x4
A friend of mine had a Detriot locker in his Ford XA GT & it sounded like He'd snapped an axle everytime he took a 90 degree corner. I think Detriot lockers are on their 4th generation design to reduce the unloading noise. Great for laying licorice strips down the road though. @@jamieh4x4
Had the ARB locker in the rear first of my late 92 80 for 20+ years no problem. The lsd is near useless and imo a better option as steering with the front locked is hard on the gear. Rarely use the front.
One thing to keep in mind is it's alot easier to drive yourself on to your lid. Absolutely love my lockers though. I have a front E locker and air in the rear. air gives me more trouble honestly.
Nice work Boys. Well done. I know how you feel now having a Locker. I've only owned 2, 4wds. My first was a 2003 Hilux and didn't have a Locker. My second is a Brand new 2022 BT50 which comes with a rear locker. Remarkable difference between the two 4wds now I've experienced both aspects. Enjoy your new locker.
This is why, with my brand new Jimny, i got it twin arb air locked from the dealership because i knew it would make the biggest difference to its ability offroad
Personally i have had twin ARB air lockers. Rear started to get lazy and parts were very difficult to source during 2021. Swtiched to a harrop e locker and love it. Still running air in the front but will be switching out to an e locker shortly. I find with the air system there are a lot more failure points. Great video for the backyard mechanic showing what can be achieved when you invest what you would've paid a mechanic into tools and giving it a crack!
FYI, Putting load on the pinion like you did, and then spinning the pinion is no different to spinning the pinion with no load. You are just making the pinion harder to turn & there is no additionalload on the crown wheel. You need to put the drag on the crown wheel and spin the pinion to create extra load.
I had a chuckle at that too. But the amount of load they could have put on the crown wheel wouldn't come within a bee's d*ck of real life load so in the end the result is the same.
80/105 series have a LSD for about 5 minutes after the leave the stealership as a new vehicle . That is about how long the LSD lasts :) (I own a HZJ105) When you install a locker just ensure it is done by someone who knows to setup diffs especially backlash with a least solid pinion spacer in the front. I have seen some disasters in the bush caused by poorly setup difflocks ... The solid front pinion spacer will make the diff as strong as possible, especially the weak front locker ... I do use ARB lockers but if I was doing it again I would use the prolocker for the reasons you said...
Throwing in a front locker was the best thing I ever did to improve the 4wd abilities of my car. You can take things slower, more controlled and you don't break as much stuff.
So just to add as this is rarely understood or talked about on the debate re air locker or e locker, with an e locker factory or Harrop type, my understanding is you should only engage it when stationary! You are also limited by the speed you can travel with it engaged. trails
Cool video mate, love the content, I have a 2001 Pajero which has a centre diff lock as standard, I think this makes it a Three Wheel Drive. It’s a pretty capable vehicle off-road. If I was to add a locker to the front, I think it would be amazing
Nah still 2wd. The lockable centre diff allows your Paj to be AWD when unlocked, but when locked it's exactly the same as any part-time 4WD. Think if it this way. The locked diff sends 50% torque to the front diff amd 50% to the rear (in reality it's probably 40/60 but for this example we'll say 50/50). The 50% going to the front diff is split again between each wheel, until such time as either of the wheels is lifted. Without a locker, LSD or traction control, 100% of the front diff torque is applied to the lifted wheel and zero to the wheel still on the ground. All you have left is the power directed to the rear diff. If that diff is also open, you'll need grip at both wheels to maintain motive traction. Unfortunately when one front wheel lifts, it usually unweights the opposite rear corner enough to lose grip and then you are spinning at two corners and going nowhere. A single locker at either end ensures you always have power to at least one grounded wheel, but twin lockers (not counting your centre diff) is better. 👍🏻
The early 3 piece ARBs are strongest and sought after for comp trucks. Parts are now available aftermarket since ARB stopped supporting them. ARB parts are hard to come by b expensive too! Often quicker/cheaper to order parts from USA.
From what I've seen most the problems with air lockers come from installation errors , but with the elockers it seems to be issues with the product itself.
@@AussieArvoslook up what timmyhasheart has done with rewiring the elockers. From factory they come with shit wiring which is why they fail. But if you redo it with Deutsch plugs and everything you can fail proof it
It's funny how a $50k Tank 300 comes with twin lockers from the factory but most off road oriented SUVs selling at 100k nowadays are telling you should be grateful because they give you a rear one.
Theres a reason why they make it so cheap, yeah on the surface it looks like your getting a good deal but underneath all that is cheaper steel, and great walls are known for rusting out quite easily
@@MitchPlays254 we had a new tank in the workshop, chassis is probably thicker than the new 300 series landcruiser. The only shitty thing I could point out is the fuel tank is the lowest point, and two the powersteering electric motor is the lowest point at the front.
How true is this, well said, although it would because it needs 2 lockers. If anyone wants to know what is the best 4x4 is and who have one of those mates who will crap on saying that GWM and other Chinese 4x4s are good for price. Well this was proven to be incorrect as when we undertook Intel gathering to prove to an insurance company, two hire companies about to buy a heap of Chinese 4x4s to be hired out for remote outback trips AND a well known 4x4 mag (who all of a sudden is saying that the Chinese are now making good 4x4) that ALL the Chinese brands are NOT manufactured to be used in Australia's harse conditions and to prove this, one must head to the wreckers where all our Aussie main off road outback tracks start and finish from. There you'll see what 4x4s are good and what are simply crap. Last check, one wreckers held a number of GWM and LDV vehicles and as of last weekend, there is now several Tank 300s. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BEING HELD AND REPAIRED HAD LESS THAN 40,000KMS!!! There are also a number of several other dual cabs (from all brands, but one more than the others) although not a single solid axle 4x4. Give it another 12 months, the GWM and LDV vehicles with or without dual lockers will have their own holding yards...watch this space.😅
Awesome vid, you guys do an excellent job on these style of videos. You don’t race through it and hey presto you’re out hitting the tracks. Top marks. 👍🏼
My JDM HJ61 came with cable lockers front and rear, lockers should only be used when necessary, and disengaged when not. Limited slip is a compromise, more like limited lockers, relying on clutch packs, which are additional wear components.
Also 80 front diffs you want the tooth mesh low in the teeth as the pinion and crownwheel walk up the tooth under power you still have hood contact patch. Just because the front diff is the 8” and not as strong. Also should of done the solid pinion spacer as that’s another weak point and causes the pinion and crownwheel to walk and then go boom
Really interested in this and well done on the quality of the video. So much to be impressed with here across the filming, sound, content and process plus editing. I have a part-time 4WD that has a LSD in the rear and an open diff in the front. I thought you’d be upping the rear to a locker but with a LSD (if it’s properly working) I can really see the benefit of upgrading the front, which is typically an open diff, into a locker. The choice of whether to make the upgrade ‘e’ or ‘air’ is likely down to other aspects and I can see your reasons; if you need to air up (as you do) and air is a not too difficult and ultimately reliable vehicle mod then it makes sense to go ‘air’. I can also see the benefit of adding a front locker for those tricky times when you’re likely to lose traction and / or lift a wheel. Thanks for making and continuing to be honest vehicle guys.
I have an auto lokka in the front of my GU and it made a huge difference. My triton dual cab has a factory rear locker which is good, but not as effective as a front locker imo
A common misconception is that the whole unit is called a differential where in fact it is called the final drive and the diff part is only the small gears inside the housing. The differential allows the outer wheels to travel a greater distance when turning
I have a ARB air locker in my D-max and boy its the best mod you can do to make it 10x more capable. Its given me heaps of confidence (maybe too much) 😂😂
I'm slowly building up my 2011 NT PAJERO. With IRS AND IFS. All body lift and no flex! 😢 Why? Cos definitely something different 😂😂😂 Both front and rear diffs being open and relying on the "intriquet" traction control to control wheel spin, was not good enough for practicality, with future travel ideas in mind. Your video had really helped in guiding me towards what kind of Locker I should look at getting. However, I may be paying the professionals to do it. So that it's done right the first time 😂.
Great video yet again, shows how long it takes for the average person (without a hidden team behind them 😉) to install this in their home shed. Quality boys, quality.
Good choice on the TJM Pro locker, and going the front as you have a good rear LSD id go front aswell if i had a 80 or a patrol, but my N70 hilux has a useless LSD so id go rear as thats the best for my setup
@@evil17 99%? Of mates that have em or are in the 4wd game be it retail, comps etc, just say they arnt that reliable and for the cost of a rebulid and all that getting a locker is so much easier and cheaper.... but i fkn love my ute, i wouldnt sell it ❤️
@@evil17 besides the little issues like that, the rest is bulletproof, no cv damge, no nothing, and its been on some real crazy tracks, the most thats been damaged was the factory ally side steps
Fantastic you gave it a crack and bloody awesome work guys! With the rollback unlocking with e-lockers, airlockers definitely seem the way to go atm. Might be worth carrying a bit of extra hose and those quick fix connectors to repair the hose on the track if it gets damaged in a tricky spot.
Maybe consider a Truetrac for the rear to complement the front - it will be far better than the Toyota LSD and virtually maintenance free. Truetrac’s are used by the US Army in their Humvees Luv the channel Cheers
The only maintenance an Eaton TrueTrac needs is a 80W-90 oil change at the standard service intervals which on my Landcruiser is about every 50K on the front diff. I check it for level & water contamination between intervals.
Hey guys, great ep - realistic! Wanted to get the Pro Locker myself, but at the time they were unavailable, so went ARB. The "issue" with the seals hasn't been a drama for me thus far, but alot harder to push the bearings on - have to push the bearing over the air seal - need to make special jig - so should consider this this before trying at home with ARB. I also added a reg to make sure the air supply did not exceed the locker spec, so not to push the seals. From memory the locker was rated to 120psi?? and my compressor cut out at 150, so set reg to 110. Something guys might want to think about. I would add should check backlash in x3 spots, and while everything apart take advantage of of cleaning and regreasing front end. If doing it for the 1st time the idea of the "dry test fit" is great. I'll admit I learnt this lesson the hard way the 1st time I did a locker, had a hard time getting the copper line from locker through diff housing. Love the injinuity with the work bench.
Best way to torque up the ring gear bolts put them in a press or your makeshift press then you can tension them up and not damage anything from a vice.
Or you can bolt to the bench or capture in a vice a length of chain & wrap that around your hemisphere to hold it in place while torqueing up the ring gear bolts.
Most, if not all China made presses you buy now days are made all wonky don't press anything straight so are a waste of time & money. No holes needed if you grab the chain in a vice or loop it around a leg & lock it off with a bolt & nut.@@offugo-adventures
You blokes have stepped things up with the support from Kingcrome. Such as using the dial indicator. Looking forward to calling in to your stand at the Melbourne 4wd show.
Patt & Liam, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr8 Friggen Work Boys Yes I've always wanted one, a Diff Locker & after watching You to go through the Process made Me Understand it all the more & am more keen to get one & do it Myself, well done Boys Grrrrrrrrrrr8 Work !!!!!!
Hopefully you didn't contaminate the pinion bearing with the swarf when drilling the hole, should have turned the diff housing over so swarf fell out not in.
Why you didn't put lockers on rear diff, I might do the same on my 04 D2 eventho it has a center locker on transfer case I do have arb lockers on my 05 jeep wrangler unlimited rubicon with 488 gears and advance adapter atlas 2 speed transfer case which is sweet on trails
e-lockers get more hate than they deserve. they can be quite reiable. air lines cant be kinked as hard as wires so they will hang away on corners a bit and allow a gap for sticks to poke in a damage them. repairing wires is also easier track side. there are no seals and o-rings in an e-locker and no compressor so far less things to fail over all. unless you are goin to be thrashing your rig or treating it like a comp truck, e is the way imo. but to each their own. having them in the front is great and safer. have done both but i much prefered the front over all and is made a hell of a difference on hill climbs. why is your diff oil black?!?! and what are you doing with the rag on the pinion ?? 🤣 that wouldnt have done anything to simulate load. you need to put load on the ring gear and turn the pinion lol.
I reckon I've heard stories about air lockers getting a leak inside the diff housing and then foaming all the diff oil up too, potentially spitting it out the diff breather etc. That's not going to happen with an e-locker.
Well done boys good to see a couple of young blokes having a crack at doing it your selves and not trying to build big builds the the average person cant with out sponsors or going into national debt keep up thed good work the videos are great looking foward to the vid👌👌👍👍
Just a quick question did you put the spring washers under the nut or on the bolt head on the tail shaft because Toyota needs the washer under the bolt head or else they come loose seen it many times before
AWESOME STUFF PAT gez iam jealous now i don't have any lockers in my toyota hi-lux surf but very very keen to think about getin a front locker now ... big thumbs up GUYS
Get an auto locker - bang for buck can't be beaten. You don't have to faff around switching the damn thing on and off dozens of times on one hill......
Good to see you guys doing so many mods to your cars from Day One✔️✔️✔️it inspires a lot of people to DIY things👌. I got genuine electric Toyota front and rear locker's, when l ordered the 1990gxl. Used it heaps wouldn't be without THEM. Keep up the good work 👍💪
wait, wait, wait, you have one wheel in the air and cant get further anymore? i am not familiar with your car but does it not have a centre diff/ centre diff lock like for example the pajeros?
@AussieArvos Cool thank you. Been looking for one for my patrol but all the cheaper ones look questionable. Rear view cam option looks good for this one too
The torque isn't being sent to only one wheel. With an open differential Torque is evenly applied to both front wheels. It's just whatever amount of torque is needed to spin the free wheel, that amount is being sent to the wheel on the ground.
@@AussieArvos that's why i would have put 1 in the rear first you would use it more as there are not many situations you would not be able to do with a rear locked 80 series. Just my opinion from owning 1 for 15 years and 35 years in general 4wdriving.
Toyota lsd are actually one of the best factory designs but they wear out over time get it overhauled and tightened up and u would have a fkn mint tight diff for hundreds of thousands kms
Unfortunately TJM has discontinued the Air Pro Locker due to inability to source parts :\ TJM is only offering E-lockers... Now its a decision between ARB, Haroop e locker, and auto lockers. For me in a hilux n70 im considering a Harrop E locker up front and a True Trac (helical LSD) in the rear, Or both E lockers front/rear. Still uncertain about ARB due to seal failures and i've been unfortunate to have their products fail on me before, so thats my bias... If anyone has experience with a True Trac + a front locker of some kind i'd love to hear about it
ARB, TJM, HARROP? What locker do you guys run?
TJM pure magic ❤
Lokrite auto locker in the front and standard lsd in the rear of my Trol. Works for me.
ARB, has been awesome the last 4 years!
I have recently installed a front arb air locker in my d40 nav but yet to test it out, should make a huge difference
HARROP EATON True Trac in the front.
Your channel is becoming the "Go To" channel for realistic & enjoyable DIY projects. You boys make it look so easy. Another well edited episode. 👍
Thanks fatmanoverlanding, really means alot mate! great to see you again! cheers :)
TIPS:
- Use a brass drift punch when trying to seperate things that hold bearings. Smacking theing hold bearings like the uni's will pit or flaten races/rollers/bearings leading to early failure, while at it, those welding, ensure current path never goes through bearings, they arc and die very fast afterwards.
- When tapping, just like shagging, don't go in dry. As you are not pulling the pinion seals, the cast iron powder/chips will end up in there. Grease the tap to hold onto the debre.
Really fumbled the bag not getting a Harrop E-Locker, I broke multiple air lockers before putting the harrop in and the thing is super strong. Airlockers are old tech.
Great job 🎉
BUT the rear LSD IS DEBATABLE 😂
I’m a 105 series guy BY HEART and the LSD is a pretty well open diff as we all know
but hey I did put the Harrop E locker in the front with the solid pinion spacer and it changed the car’s ability 100% I had no drama with it and used on a weekly basis
Enjoy the capabilities
Another great video!
Just a quick note, open diffs actually distribute torque 50:50 all the time, and it's not until the diff is locked can you distribute the torque differently from one side to the other. An axle doesn't have to be moving to experience torque. Just like a nut that's tight and you're still pulling on the spanner is experiencing a torque but not moving.
Ditto, I was about to make a comment along these lines. They split torque 50/50, when one wheel has limited traction (i.e. raised off ground) the opposite wheel will see the same torque which won't be enough to get it moving.
Learning advanced driving techniques like left for braking can assist with this. Not a locker, but can help get traction in difficult terrain with open diffs.
Thank you mate! your spot on! cheers
Very well explained with no chest beating. Nice way to spend my Sunday morning with Aussie Arvos
Thanks Andy!
This. Exactly this.
Well done. Don’t beat yourself up about time taken. 3 days is still pretty good for a DIY. Granted it’s a lot easier with a hoist. I’ve recently fitted a 4wd Lokka at home not a small job. But totally changed its off road ability. One of the best upgrades 👍
I went for an auto locker in the front of mine as it’s part time 4wd with manual hubs. I also went with the TJM pro locker in the rear, but have no air system just yet to use it haha. Still having just the front locker makes a huge difference!
I'd recommend the auto lockers.
Always engaged when you need it, and disengaged when you don't.
Backlash setup is important to get them to engage and disengaged properly though.
@@Robert-cu9bm Yeah absolutely. I installed mine myself and it was very easy. People complain of the clicking too and I don't even hear it unless I am really trying to listen for it.
It does make the steering a little heavy so if I was driving where I would use 4wd a lot and had the extra money I would choose an air locker.
I used to have an auto Lokka in the front and detroit auto locker in the rear. Loved it offroad. Onroad, was still ok. Best bang for buck mod for a part time 4x4
Plenty of banging & noises coming out of your diff around corners if you've got a Detroit locker in the rear.
@@dustyfarmer not all the time, but every few weeks at random it would let out a terrifying bang. The front one would click a lot when turning tightly when in 4x4
A friend of mine had a Detriot locker in his Ford XA GT & it sounded like He'd snapped an axle everytime he took a 90 degree corner. I think Detriot lockers are on their 4th generation design to reduce the unloading noise. Great for laying licorice strips down the road though. @@jamieh4x4
Had the ARB locker in the rear first of my late 92 80 for 20+ years no problem. The lsd is near useless and imo a better option as steering with the front locked is hard on the gear. Rarely use the front.
One thing to keep in mind is it's alot easier to drive yourself on to your lid. Absolutely love my lockers though. I have a front E locker and air in the rear. air gives me more trouble honestly.
Nice work Boys. Well done.
I know how you feel now having a Locker.
I've only owned 2, 4wds.
My first was a 2003 Hilux and didn't have a Locker.
My second is a Brand new 2022 BT50 which comes with a rear locker.
Remarkable difference between the two 4wds now I've experienced both aspects.
Enjoy your new locker.
Cheers mate!
Why bt50 over a new hilux?
This is why, with my brand new Jimny, i got it twin arb air locked from the dealership because i knew it would make the biggest difference to its ability offroad
Another brilliant DIY project. Great one boys. 👍
Cheers Hammer!!
Personally i have had twin ARB air lockers. Rear started to get lazy and parts were very difficult to source during 2021. Swtiched to a harrop e locker and love it. Still running air in the front but will be switching out to an e locker shortly. I find with the air system there are a lot more failure points. Great video for the backyard mechanic showing what can be achieved when you invest what you would've paid a mechanic into tools and giving it a crack!
Cheers mate! Yeah I'll make sure to keep you updated on how the prolocker goes ! Cheers for the support!
FYI, Putting load on the pinion like you did, and then spinning the pinion is no different to spinning the pinion with no load. You are just making the pinion harder to turn & there is no additionalload on the crown wheel.
You need to put the drag on the crown wheel and spin the pinion to create extra load.
I had a chuckle at that too. But the amount of load they could have put on the crown wheel wouldn't come within a bee's d*ck of real life load so in the end the result is the same.
glad its not just me who reads some manual that says a 6 hour install and then 3 days latter im finishing up :)
80/105 series have a LSD for about 5 minutes after the leave the stealership as a new vehicle . That is about how long the LSD lasts :) (I own a HZJ105)
When you install a locker just ensure it is done by someone who knows to setup diffs especially backlash with a least solid pinion spacer in the front. I have seen some disasters in the bush caused by poorly setup difflocks ...
The solid front pinion spacer will make the diff as strong as possible, especially the weak front locker ...
I do use ARB lockers but if I was doing it again I would use the prolocker for the reasons you said...
Had ARB rear locker since 2008, never had a drama, love it 105 series.
So many stories & different outcomes, the more research the more confused i become. Good to know from a fellow 105 owner, cheers.
Throwing in a front locker was the best thing I ever did to improve the 4wd abilities of my car. You can take things slower, more controlled and you don't break as much stuff.
My 80 has a arb in the back its great and its done 250 k no problem i had issues with the pump but will install a tank next , great info guys
Awesome video dude! Shown and explained so well. Also loved the care and attention to getting each thing right, a pleasure to watch 👍.
So just to add as this is rarely understood or talked about on the debate re air locker or e locker, with an e locker factory or Harrop type, my understanding is you should only engage it when stationary! You are also limited by the speed you can travel with it engaged.
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Cool video mate, love the content, I have a 2001 Pajero which has a centre diff lock as standard, I think this makes it a Three Wheel Drive. It’s a pretty capable vehicle off-road. If I was to add a locker to the front, I think it would be amazing
Nah still 2wd. The lockable centre diff allows your Paj to be AWD when unlocked, but when locked it's exactly the same as any part-time 4WD.
Think if it this way. The locked diff sends 50% torque to the front diff amd 50% to the rear (in reality it's probably 40/60 but for this example we'll say 50/50).
The 50% going to the front diff is split again between each wheel, until such time as either of the wheels is lifted. Without a locker, LSD or traction control, 100% of the front diff torque is applied to the lifted wheel and zero to the wheel still on the ground.
All you have left is the power directed to the rear diff. If that diff is also open, you'll need grip at both wheels to maintain motive traction. Unfortunately when one front wheel lifts, it usually unweights the opposite rear corner enough to lose grip and then you are spinning at two corners and going nowhere. A single locker at either end ensures you always have power to at least one grounded wheel, but twin lockers (not counting your centre diff) is better. 👍🏻
Nice one thanks guys. I can't wait until I install the auto lokka in the front of my Challenge which I'll do a video on too. Thanks for sharing
The early 3 piece ARBs are strongest and sought after for comp trucks. Parts are now available aftermarket since ARB stopped supporting them. ARB parts are hard to come by b expensive too! Often quicker/cheaper to order parts from USA.
Interesting you mentioned reliability issues with ELocker. I've heard the exact opposite with Air lockers.
From what I've seen most the problems with air lockers come from installation errors , but with the elockers it seems to be issues with the product itself.
@@AussieArvoslook up what timmyhasheart has done with rewiring the elockers. From factory they come with shit wiring which is why they fail. But if you redo it with Deutsch plugs and everything you can fail proof it
@@mesahatesayou
That sounds like reliability issues. You don't hear about people sourcing me air lines and connections to make them reliable.
@@Robert-cu9bm yes but you do DEFINITELY hear about people having issues with their air lines in general...
1:40 commonly known as a “Cigweld locker” 😅
It's funny how a $50k Tank 300 comes with twin lockers from the factory but most off road oriented SUVs selling at 100k nowadays are telling you should be grateful because they give you a rear one.
Theres a reason why they make it so cheap, yeah on the surface it looks like your getting a good deal but underneath all that is cheaper steel, and great walls are known for rusting out quite easily
@@MitchPlays254 nah it was ldv that rust easy the new gwms are pretty good unfortunately.
@@MitchPlays254 we had a new tank in the workshop, chassis is probably thicker than the new 300 series landcruiser.
The only shitty thing I could point out is the fuel tank is the lowest point, and two the powersteering electric motor is the lowest point at the front.
How true is this, well said, although it would because it needs 2 lockers.
If anyone wants to know what is the best 4x4 is and who have one of those mates who will crap on saying that GWM and other Chinese 4x4s are good for price.
Well this was proven to be incorrect as when we undertook Intel gathering to prove to an insurance company, two hire companies about to buy a heap of Chinese 4x4s to be hired out for remote outback trips AND a well known 4x4 mag (who all of a sudden is saying that the Chinese are now making good 4x4) that ALL the Chinese brands are NOT manufactured to be used in Australia's harse conditions and to prove this, one must head to the wreckers where all our Aussie main off road outback tracks start and finish from. There you'll see what 4x4s are good and what are simply crap. Last check, one wreckers held a number of GWM and LDV vehicles and as of last weekend, there is now several Tank 300s. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BEING HELD AND REPAIRED HAD LESS THAN 40,000KMS!!! There are also a number of several other dual cabs (from all brands, but one more than the others) although not a single solid axle 4x4. Give it another 12 months, the GWM and LDV vehicles with or without dual lockers will have their own holding yards...watch this space.😅
Well GWM need to offer more at a lower price to get sales
Awesome vid, you guys do an excellent job on these style of videos. You don’t race through it and hey presto you’re out hitting the tracks. Top marks. 👍🏼
My JDM HJ61 came with cable lockers front and rear, lockers should only be used when necessary, and disengaged when not. Limited slip is a compromise, more like limited lockers, relying on clutch packs, which are additional wear components.
Also 80 front diffs you want the tooth mesh low in the teeth as the pinion and crownwheel walk up the tooth under power you still have hood contact patch. Just because the front diff is the 8” and not as strong.
Also should of done the solid pinion spacer as that’s another weak point and causes the pinion and crownwheel to walk and then go boom
Really interested in this and well done on the quality of the video. So much to be impressed with here across the filming, sound, content and process plus editing. I have a part-time 4WD that has a LSD in the rear and an open diff in the front. I thought you’d be upping the rear to a locker but with a LSD (if it’s properly working) I can really see the benefit of upgrading the front, which is typically an open diff, into a locker. The choice of whether to make the upgrade ‘e’ or ‘air’ is likely down to other aspects and I can see your reasons; if you need to air up (as you do) and air is a not too difficult and ultimately reliable vehicle mod then it makes sense to go ‘air’. I can also see the benefit of adding a front locker for those tricky times when you’re likely to lose traction and / or lift a wheel. Thanks for making and continuing to be honest vehicle guys.
Thanks mate, that really means alot, cheers :)
I have an auto lokka in the front of my GU and it made a huge difference. My triton dual cab has a factory rear locker which is good, but not as effective as a front locker imo
A common misconception is that the whole unit is called a differential where in fact it is called the final drive and the diff part is only the small gears inside the housing. The differential allows the outer wheels to travel a greater distance when turning
great choice, now that you have it all back together I would have put a solid spacer in it at the same time. great episode guys....
Vid/editing quality is next level guys
If I had a Dad with a shed like that I'd hope to be a grouse kid like you! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Magnificent dudes always impressive!
I have a ARB air locker in my D-max and boy its the best mod you can do to make it 10x more capable. Its given me heaps of confidence (maybe too much) 😂😂
I'm slowly building up my 2011 NT PAJERO. With IRS AND IFS. All body lift and no flex! 😢
Why? Cos definitely something different 😂😂😂
Both front and rear diffs being open and relying on the "intriquet" traction control to control wheel spin, was not good enough for practicality, with future travel ideas in mind.
Your video had really helped in guiding me towards what kind of Locker I should look at getting.
However, I may be paying the professionals to do it. So that it's done right the first time 😂.
Had ARB air lockers in all my 4x4 never had one let me down so for me it’s the only option!
Great video yet again, shows how long it takes for the average person (without a hidden team behind them 😉) to install this in their home shed. Quality boys, quality.
Thanks allister!! Yeah that's it hahahaha !
Good choice on the TJM Pro locker, and going the front as you have a good rear LSD id go front aswell if i had a 80 or a patrol, but my N70 hilux has a useless LSD so id go rear as thats the best for my setup
Why is the rear LSD useless on the N70? Just curious as I have one also.
@@evil17 99%? Of mates that have em or are in the 4wd game be it retail, comps etc, just say they arnt that reliable and for the cost of a rebulid and all that getting a locker is so much easier and cheaper.... but i fkn love my ute, i wouldnt sell it ❤️
@@evil17 besides the little issues like that, the rest is bulletproof, no cv damge, no nothing, and its been on some real crazy tracks, the most thats been damaged was the factory ally side steps
Fantastic you gave it a crack and bloody awesome work guys! With the rollback unlocking with e-lockers, airlockers definitely seem the way to go atm. Might be worth carrying a bit of extra hose and those quick fix connectors to repair the hose on the track if it gets damaged in a tricky spot.
Thanks Mathew ! Yeah I thew some in the back! Cheers :)
Maybe consider a Truetrac for the rear to complement the front - it will be far better than the Toyota LSD and virtually maintenance free. Truetrac’s are used by the US Army in their Humvees
Luv the channel
Cheers
The only maintenance an Eaton TrueTrac needs is a 80W-90 oil change at the standard service intervals which on my Landcruiser is about every 50K on the front diff. I check it for level & water contamination between intervals.
I use twin ARB air diff locks.
Lockers, the best mod you can do. Less chance of breaking things on those hard obstacles.
Definitely!
Hey guys, great ep - realistic! Wanted to get the Pro Locker myself, but at the time they were unavailable, so went ARB. The "issue" with the seals hasn't been a drama for me thus far, but alot harder to push the bearings on - have to push the bearing over the air seal - need to make special jig - so should consider this this before trying at home with ARB. I also added a reg to make sure the air supply did not exceed the locker spec, so not to push the seals. From memory the locker was rated to 120psi?? and my compressor cut out at 150, so set reg to 110. Something guys might want to think about. I would add should check backlash in x3 spots, and while everything apart take advantage of of cleaning and regreasing front end. If doing it for the 1st time the idea of the "dry test fit" is great. I'll admit I learnt this lesson the hard way the 1st time I did a locker, had a hard time getting the copper line from locker through diff housing. Love the injinuity with the work bench.
Best way to torque up the ring gear bolts put them in a press or your makeshift press then you can tension them up and not damage anything from a vice.
Or you can bolt to the bench or capture in a vice a length of chain & wrap that around your hemisphere to hold it in place while torqueing up the ring gear bolts.
@@dustyfarmer you can buy in the press is quicker and don’t have to drill holes.
Most, if not all China made presses you buy now days are made all wonky don't press anything straight so are a waste of time & money. No holes needed if you grab the chain in a vice or loop it around a leg & lock it off with a bolt & nut.@@offugo-adventures
You blokes have stepped things up with the support from Kingcrome. Such as using the dial indicator. Looking forward to calling in to your stand at the Melbourne 4wd show.
Thanks Robert!! That means alot! See you there!!
Glad you did this video. It was a toss up between TJM or ARB for me as well but leaning towards TJM.
Glad it could help!
Patt & Liam, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr8 Friggen Work Boys Yes I've always wanted one, a Diff Locker & after watching You to go through the Process made Me Understand it all the more & am more keen to get one & do it Myself, well done Boys Grrrrrrrrrrr8 Work !!!!!!
Thanks mate!! 100% you can do it!! Cheers mate!
Hopefully you didn't contaminate the pinion bearing with the swarf when drilling the hole, should have turned the diff housing over so swarf fell out not in.
Great work Patrick and liam
Thanks Leighton!
Hey, I'm happy for you but I need rear lockers. Buying sliders now and lockers next...when will you be doing rear lockers?
can't wait to meet you boys at the show!!!
Hmm no pre load adjustments that’s intreasting could cause some problems later for ya
Lovely Ep Guys,
What about a wrap on that bonnet or complete respray of the whole wagon
hahahah eventually!
Why you didn't put lockers on rear diff, I might do the same on my 04 D2 eventho it has a center locker on transfer case I do have arb lockers on my 05 jeep wrangler unlimited rubicon with 488 gears and advance adapter atlas 2 speed transfer case which is sweet on trails
e-lockers get more hate than they deserve. they can be quite reiable. air lines cant be kinked as hard as wires so they will hang away on corners a bit and allow a gap for sticks to poke in a damage them. repairing wires is also easier track side. there are no seals and o-rings in an e-locker and no compressor so far less things to fail over all. unless you are goin to be thrashing your rig or treating it like a comp truck, e is the way imo. but to each their own.
having them in the front is great and safer. have done both but i much prefered the front over all and is made a hell of a difference on hill climbs.
why is your diff oil black?!?!
and what are you doing with the rag on the pinion ?? 🤣 that wouldnt have done anything to simulate load. you need to put load on the ring gear and turn the pinion lol.
I reckon I've heard stories about air lockers getting a leak inside the diff housing and then foaming all the diff oil up too, potentially spitting it out the diff breather etc. That's not going to happen with an e-locker.
Well done boys good to see a couple of young blokes having a crack at doing it your selves and not trying to build big builds the the average person cant with out sponsors or going into national debt keep up thed good work the videos are great looking foward to the vid👌👌👍👍
Thanks mate!!
TJM huh? Thanks - great video, full of info and how-to as always.
Cheers Ben!
Just a quick question did you put the spring washers under the nut or on the bolt head on the tail shaft because Toyota needs the washer under the bolt head or else they come loose seen it many times before
Oi boys! I ordered your stickers, now you need a range of patches ay! Hope we see dome soon :)
Watching from Goroka-Papua New Guinea.🙏
Would like to put a front locker in 1 day. Not driving it enough as per intended to need 1 just yet. But fantastic work Patrick. Cheers mate 👍
Thanks Jon! Yeah it's a bit of a cost, it cost me $1600 for locker and carrier bearings
AWESOME STUFF PAT gez iam jealous now i don't have any lockers in my toyota hi-lux surf but very very keen to think about getin a front locker now ... big thumbs up GUYS
Get an auto locker - bang for buck can't be beaten. You don't have to faff around switching the damn thing on and off dozens of times on one hill......
dead set one of the best channels love your work guys
Thanks Kevin!!
Good to see you guys doing so many mods to your cars from Day One✔️✔️✔️it inspires a lot of people to DIY things👌. I got genuine electric Toyota front and rear locker's, when l ordered the 1990gxl. Used it heaps wouldn't be without THEM. Keep up the good work 👍💪
My rear and front diff lock came with a Pajero Sport Exceed.😂
Another quality video!!
Thanks mate!
Always 10/10 quality vids
Thanks mate!
Good job buys keep it up 😊
Cheers Stuart!
Gotta try toyota A-trac! Almost as good as a locker
Should have done a solid pinion spacer lads
Hey mate where abouts near Avon? See any lace monitors ?
Quality Video Bro
Awesome stuff mate keep it up
Thanks Mick!
Mcmanara? Lol sorry for not picking, couldn’t help it, great vid though love your work
Yeah this looks like a job i could do at home, not.
I struggle to re-pack the grease in my muffler bearing and top up the blinker fluid
wait, wait, wait, you have one wheel in the air and cant get further anymore? i am not familiar with your car but does it not have a centre diff/ centre diff lock like for example the pajeros?
Love the video. Can I ask what headunit your running? at 18:17 i have been looking at large screen headunits unsure what will fit and quality. Cheers.
It's one of those amazon atoto s8 ones. From the reviews they look pretty good.
Yep atoto s8 ultra, highly recommend!
@@AussieArvos have you used Spotify on it?
@@clintAdventures yeah I use it all the time !
@AussieArvos Cool thank you. Been looking for one for my patrol but all the cheaper ones look questionable. Rear view cam option looks good for this one too
does terrain tamer have an air locker
Twin locked arb lockers in my gq
the only thing is is that toyota lsd are that how you going that they pretty much open diffs
Next mod 37s?
What headunit are you running
Atoto s8 ultra!
What kingchrome tool box is that ? And how much was it ?
Kincrome Blue Steel tool box, you can get them at Bunnings
The torque isn't being sent to only one wheel.
With an open differential Torque is evenly applied to both front wheels.
It's just whatever amount of torque is needed to spin the free wheel, that amount is being sent to the wheel on the ground.
80 series has a rear LSD😂😂😂😂 80's would have to have one of the worst LSD's
🤣🤣 definitely doesn't live up to the patrol LSD that's for sure ,
Might be doing something about this in the future
@@AussieArvos that's why i would have put 1 in the rear first you would use it more as there are not many situations you would not be able to do with a rear locked 80 series. Just my opinion from owning 1 for 15 years and 35 years in general 4wdriving.
Toyota lsd are actually one of the best factory designs but they wear out over time get it overhauled and tightened up and u would have a fkn mint tight diff for hundreds of thousands kms
@@tiamarie177 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
McManara/McNamara?
Cool brother, would lov a locker but $$$$
Unfortunately TJM has discontinued the Air Pro Locker due to inability to source parts :\ TJM is only offering E-lockers...
Now its a decision between ARB, Haroop e locker, and auto lockers.
For me in a hilux n70 im considering a Harrop E locker up front and a True Trac (helical LSD) in the rear, Or both E lockers front/rear.
Still uncertain about ARB due to seal failures and i've been unfortunate to have their products fail on me before, so thats my bias...
If anyone has experience with a True Trac + a front locker of some kind i'd love to hear about it
Gum boys gum !!
Thought we'd lost you! glad to see you back!
I've just got a button for that
How come you haven’t installed a part time kit (to make it RWD not AWD) I’ve done one on my 80 series I highly recommend
It's on the list!!
@@AussieArvos wy would you want to make it worse?
Yahoo
We're back!!!
@@AussieArvos yep good to see.
pov: you own a full time 4wd 😂
MacManara? 😂