I think I may know where you have gotten that number? A DAO loading screen mentions there being 14 circles. DA:Asunder makes it sound like there are 15 circles- but that number would not include Kirkwall, as the circle was destroyed by that point. So there might be 16- or there might be other circles that didn't make it to the meeting for various reasons, making the number unknown. So, with that in mind, I just went with 'I don't know the exact number'.
I have always viewed the circle practice of phyactuaries as hypicritical, as they are opposed to blood magic and yet use BLOOD to leash mages. Am I wrong?
The difference in Mages and Templars is that Mages can use their blood magic to summon and control demons, as well as forcefully control and violently kill innocent people. Templars merely use the blood of mages to track them down if they escape the circle. I dont believe that Templars should be as controlling to mages as they have been, however I can understand their fear. Mages are dangerous and need to be closely watched. Dragon Age Origins makes this very clear, it took only a few mages to completely destroy the Ferelden Circle. So imagine what a much larger force of mages are capable of.
I realise this is a few years late but am i the only one who thinks its good to have such safe havens for mages to learn to controll their powers? In DA:O it was shown that if youve proved you arent a threat to yourself and others you can be granted leave from the circle (Havent played in a while so correct me if im wrong.). "With great power comes great responsobility". Tevinter made mages free, and look how that ended up.
@@oskukataikko9320 Circle's aren't really safe havens. Even if most of them aren't nearly as bad as Kirkwall's, the only thing that stopped Ferelden's circle from getting that bad was the goodwill of Gregor and his predecessors. While the poor treatment of mages is a problem, it isn't the fundamental problem, just a symptom. The root of the issue is that mages have no power, the control they have of their lives and their circles starts and ends exactly where the Chantry and the Templars decide they do. The problem of mage's rights and the dangers of magic can't be solved by circles because circles give outsiders complete control over what rights the mages do or do not receive, which in turn causes mages to risk apostacy.
@@samwalters6170 The Circles do have a political voice in the form of the high ranking enchanters, and it's their job to advocate for the rights of Mages in the Circle. Vivienne is a prime example of this. The problems start, like every political system, if the wrong people get into positions of power. A weak willed First Enchanter may start surrendering the rights of his charges to appease the more overzealous members of the Chantry, rather than fighting for them. And we've already seen what an overzealous Knight-Commander can do. Heck, in Inquisition, it's revealed that some mages can be given permission to live outside the Circle by their First Enchanter. Not the Knight-Commander. Not some Chantry bureaucrat. The First Enchanter.
The way I see it is that the circles should be used kinda like a school to teach young mages how to control their powers and how to resist temptation from the fade Instead of how the circles are now where the mages are treated like prisoners by the Chantry and abused by the Templars. Show the mages how to resist using blood magic and the like Tl:dr don't abolish the circles outright just turn them into places of learning without the threats and abuse from the Templars
That's what the Circles are supposed to be on paper. The Templars don't just watch the mages, but protect against outside threats. In practice however, it varies wildly depending on where you live. Kirkwall was obviously the worst case scenario, but in Inquisition its revealed that the Ostwick Circle actually allow mages to leave and visit family, or even live outside the Circle, if they receive permission from the First Enchanter. The First Enchanter is supposed to advocate for the rights of those in their Circle, and work with the Knight-Commander to make sure things don't get too bad. Problem's start when the wrong people get either of those jobs.
It's not unheard of. There were some branches of the church in medieval times who used "witchcraft" (which I take to mean either local folk practices or some primitive form of forensics) to track down people they thought were witches. They masked it in talk of 'people who gave of their souls for the greater good' and the like, but the hypocrisy was pretty blatant.
I really wanna know why tranquil people lose their emotions. Are emotions somehow linked to the Fade or is it just so traumatising to have no magic that their emotions just pack up their bags and leave?
On love in the Circle; Maddox was sentenced to tranquility for sending a letter to his girlfriend, and Samson, who agreed to carry that letter, was kicked out of the Templar Order. Jowan's love was also forbidden one. He was going to be made tranquil, but i'm not sure if it's because someone caught him with Lily or some other reason. Wynne and Fiona's child were taken away from them. There's also Anders and Karl. I believe Karl was transferred away to separate them. Personal opinion, there seems to be no "Happy Ending" for Circle mage's love. This is why, if you romance Anders, he was so afraid of losing you. This is why, in the end, he said "Ten years, hundred years from now, someone like me will love someonelike you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart". He just... believe in you that much. (this is why i hate when people kill Anders after they romanced him) I'm sorry, i personally romanced Merrill but i have so many Anders feels.
Also i want to add that the Gallow break the chantry's law by making Karl tranquil. It is illegal to made tranquil of mage who passed their harrowing. Elthina approve of it, and that's just how fuked up the chantry are. And they did that all because they want to use Karl as a bait for Anders.
Well, actually..... - Samson was also kicked out for showing signs of lyrium addiction. - Jowan might have been made Tranquil based on rumors of him being a bloodmage -- rumors that Uldred spread to keep the heat off of himself. Uldred routinely betrayed his own converts to cover his butt. - Wynne willingly gave up her child - there's an angry letter from the baby's Templar father about it. And Fiona had her baby before she returned to the Circle, and willingly gave him up to his father on the condition that he lie about the baby's parentage.
The problem is mages are not allowed to marry each other and have children in the circle. The are not allowed to meet their family. Basically they are slaves for chantry. Yes well feed and housed but still slaves
Actually they were allowed to study for betterment of circle and therefore chantry. Mages are property of the chantry as are their children. As for Wynne and Fiona. Wynne cleary said that if a mage had a child they belonged to the chantry. So the mother couldnt keep the baby. The templar wanted to run away making them hunted forever constantly on the run as the chantry and the templar order wouldnt let it go. Fiona was sexually abused as a child bcs she was an elf. She wanted a better life for her child than what she had.
I was a mage first too! In fact, replaying DA from the beginning, I picked mage again. Your Lore videos are a great help in making things seem more streamlined. For example, my Warden's was always named Kieran Amell, but now it's got extra meaning since, you know, Inquisition. (TOTALLY doing the Dark Ritual BTW. Zevran will get it) The bit about Warden Amell being related to Hawke is a neat touch too, and in DA2 I need all the positivity I can get, since, you know, Anders. (If Jowan taught me anything, it's that have a weakness for damaged mages who make terrible decisions)
I’d find myself being a combination of libritarian and resolutionist, I’m all for mages being free and doing it peacefully but if push comes to shove I’ll be free and I will do almost anything to achieve it.
Could you do something on what we learned in Jaws of Hakkon? How Ameridan was forgotten to time, what he told us about the rite of tranquility. The fact that he was a mage, dalish andrastian and so on? I find it extremely interesting that he was a dalish mage fighting for the chantry. At the current date in the lore those groups are now arch enemies.
As for potential videos, I think an interesting short video might be about the hierarchy of Fereldan nobility? I know that when I first played I was really confused about the difference between a Bann, Arl, and Teyrn. Maybe something about Tranquility and its cure could be cool as well
I run a dragon age pen and paper rpg and my players are going to try and scam the White Spire, so I'm probably going to show them this video as a starting point.
One of them is an apostate and daughter of a templar who put a bounty of 80 royals on her head. They plan on selling her out and breaking her out. I plan on making this as difficult as I can, but can't say how in case they see this comment.
It was also stated( primarily in the dlc where we found shale) that some mages were allowed to live outside the circles, mainly to serve the nobility. Vivienne also mentions this. The mage in the dlc had a wife and son.
since the cirlce in reddcliff had seen Sanders and had schooled that drawen girl they must be curious to find out more about the drawen history &if posssible direct from their neighbors in Orzamar´s Bibliothek. If the Amell Warden survives and if he decides to become the fist enchanter like fiona did (in the circle that has named after him), he would surely search for his siblings to invite them there. and probably rebuild the tower ( for his own compfort :P ) since this is the circle we can most relate to , but i dont think it will ever be the same as before , so it would be nice to have visit this circle again while seeing there people we know from the past games.
also im curious what happenes if a mage becomes a seer like cassandra , but which mage could bring any circle the knowletge for this besides the inquisitor.. maybe Fiona if she works like a spy^^
Hi Ghil Dirthalen - My SO and I love watching your videos together, thank you for putting so much thought into them. Have you done a video on the ranking system of Ferelden nobles? Maybe there's not as much to it as I'm thinking but I find it somewhat confusing. Thanks again, great videos!
Excellent video, and I'm not even super into DA. One thing, though. It seems like you edit out a lot of the natural pauses between sentences and after commas. I don't mind at all your talking speed, but taking out those pauses makes the voice over seem rushed. Makes it seem a little weirder considering the video itself and the topic is very relaxed. You're making great content, though, keep it up
I also got a reddit PM about this, so I might be doubling my message here: but thank you so much for the critique! The bad thing about creating stuff, is that sometimes you get blind to mistakes you make. This is totally something I'll be fixing in future videos. Thanks!
Totally relate. In all of my endeavors of life, self-awareness is a huge factor as well (games reviews, architecture, cello). I always love feedback, so I try and help others out when I can also
The Prison of Magi you mean, because lets be honest here: The Circles are glorified (gilded!) prisons/cages for mages (pun not intended!)...sure they have access to a standard of living most peasants do not, but then again: Most of the money they make is taken (STOLEN!) by the chantry and what they get is paltry/piteous! Not to mention that mages have to endure being treated like shit by their jailors, the Templar Order (who themselves are the attack dogs of the Chantry, kept on a Lyrium-Leash! Hell, the Templars remind me of religious fundamentalists and they could very well be doped up suicide bombers wo believe that their cause is righteous even when they brutalize (beat or even rape!) mages!). Mages have no right to privacy, they can't have a family (this wouldn't hurt me, I don't like children but for many people this is unacceptable!) and they can't leave the Circle (even very loyal followers of the Chantry like Whynne need a good reason to leave the Circle Tower for any length of time! Hell, the Ferelden tower is an extreme because it's on an island that the mages can't leave! They can't even mingle with normal people there, hell the only people who come to the tower are those who want something (the sick for example!)) Note: I agree that mages are dangerous, but part of that is that they are oppressed - if you put pressure on a volatile substance you aren't surprised if it explodes, so why are people surprised that the mages fought a bloody war to get out from under the Chantry's thumb? - and that's why I would reform the system: Mages have to get training (enough to control their magic) and once that is done they are free to go (a harrowing is included in the training, but after that? Freedom! No phylacteries anymore after the harrowing has been completed! No forced tranquility etc.) and it is all run by mages, no more Templars (they can protect normies and become part of local armies or law-enforcement!), no more Chantry or other outsiders at the Circles (unless they come to request the circle's services, come to visit family or work for the circle (cooks, maids etc.))
I was going to post a counter argument, but your bias is so painfully obvious that it would be a wasted effort. Your point about the Chantry "stealing" money has nothing to do with the subject, and points towards you projecting a hatred of religion onto the topic.
@@i.cs.z I do, I just chose not to waste my time on someone who clearly wasn’t going to listen. If you’ve got a part of this meth fueled rant you’d like me to debunk, I’d be happy to.
@@i.cs.z “The Circles are glorified (gilded!) prisons/cages for mages (pun not intended!)...sure they have access to a standard of living most peasants do not, but then again:” This is inaccurate. The standards of living vary from Circle to Circle. Some are outright luxurious, and others are literally prisons (Kirkwall). “Most of the money they make is taken (STOLEN!) by the chantry and what they get is paltry/piteous!” This is just a lie. At no point is it said that the money made by the Circles is taken by the Chantry. Furthermore, the Chantry is in charge of purchasing and delivering food and supplies to the Circles, not the Circles themselves. Also, notice how he can’t keep his narrative straight: in the previous paragraph he says that the Circles are gilded cages, yet here he claims they must make do with a piteous amount of money. “Not to mention that mages have to endure being treated like shit by their jailors, the Templar Order (who themselves are the attack dogs of the Chantry, kept on a Lyrium-Leash! Hell, the Templars remind me of religious fundamentalists and they could very well be doped up suicide bombers wo believe that their cause is righteous even when they brutalize (beat or even rape!) mages!).” The first half of this paragraph is, again, inaccurate. As I have said already, Mages are treated differently depending on which Circle they live in, and even in bad Circles we see there are Templars who do not abuse their charges. The second half of this paragraph is just an unhinged anti-religious rant, and is undeserving of response. “Mages have no right to privacy, they can't have a family (this wouldn't hurt me, I don't like children but for many people this is unacceptable!) and they can't leave the Circle (even very loyal followers of the Chantry like Whynne need a good reason to leave the Circle Tower for any length of time! Hell, the Ferelden tower is an extreme because it's on an island that the mages can't leave! They can't even mingle with normal people there, hell the only people who come to the tower are those who want something (the sick for example!))” They have no right to privacy because the Templars must be able to search their quarters for evidence of forbidden research. Restrictions on having a family are yet another aspect that varies from circle to circle. The same is true for not being allowed to leave the Circle. Some Circles even allow mages to live outside the Circle in their own homes. “Note: I agree that mages are dangerous, but part of that is that they are oppressed - if you put pressure on a volatile substance you aren't surprised if it explodes, so why are people surprised that the mages fought a bloody war to get out from under the Chantry's thumb? - and that's why I would reform the system:” This is this is incorrect. Oppression has nothing to do with why mages are dangerous. The fact that demons exist and will do everything in their power to get into the physical world and cause mayhem is, along with magic itself. Mages are not dangerous because they are oppressed, they are oppressed because they are dangerous. They don’t deserve to be, but it is an all too human outcome. “Mages have to get training (enough to control their magic) and once that is done they are free to go (a harrowing is included in the training, but after that? Freedom! No phylacteries anymore after the harrowing has been completed! No forced tranquility etc.) and it is all run by mages, no more Templars (they can protect normies and become part of local armies or law-enforcement!), no more Chantry or other outsiders at the Circles (unless they come to request the circle's services, come to visit family or work for the circle (cooks, maids etc.))” These reforms are utterly disastrous. Rather than helping mages, they all but guarantee widespread misuse of magic, including blood magic and demon summoning. Simply letting mages go free because they completed their Harrowing is a bad idea. The Harrowing proves they can resist demonic temptation. It does not make them immune to it, nor does it prove them to be good natured individuals who will never willingly seek to make demonic pacts. Ending forced Tranquility is also a bad idea, as without it the only way to deal with a blood mage is to kill them. With Tranquility they can at least be useful after their atrocities are put to an end. Trusting the Circles to run themselves without any outside oversight is just moronic and short sighted. All you need is for a few blood mages to take over and suddenly you’re looking at an all out demon invasion. Remember Redcliff in Origins. Think that, but with a few dozen Abominations instead of just one. How would I fix the Circles? Believe it or not, there isn’t too much to fix. The Circles as they were originally was actually a good system: the Knight-Commander and First Enchanter would work together to ensure the mages didn’t go out of control, and the locals didn’t break out the the torches and pitch forks. The Seekers of Truth were responsible for making sure neither side abused their power. It was a pretty good system, but like all things made by humanity, it eventually broke, in this case because the Seekers stopped recruiting mages. Bring back the Seekers and make sure they sure they have mages amongst their number, and that’s most problems solved. The local nobility should also be given a say in how the Circle is run as well, so that there is something to offset the Chantry’s influence.
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I feel like I've read that there were 14 Circles? I'm not 100% sure however.
I think I may know where you have gotten that number? A DAO loading screen mentions there being 14 circles. DA:Asunder makes it sound like there are 15 circles- but that number would not include Kirkwall, as the circle was destroyed by that point. So there might be 16- or there might be other circles that didn't make it to the meeting for various reasons, making the number unknown. So, with that in mind, I just went with 'I don't know the exact number'.
instablaster.
I have always viewed the circle practice of phyactuaries as hypicritical, as they are opposed to blood magic and yet use BLOOD to leash mages. Am I wrong?
hopewec you're not.
The difference in Mages and Templars is that Mages can use their blood magic to summon and control demons, as well as forcefully control and violently kill innocent people.
Templars merely use the blood of mages to track them down if they escape the circle.
I dont believe that Templars should be as controlling to mages as they have been, however I can understand their fear. Mages are dangerous and need to be closely watched.
Dragon Age Origins makes this very clear, it took only a few mages to completely destroy the Ferelden Circle. So imagine what a much larger force of mages are capable of.
Here’s because they’re using it for very different things
The reward that the Mages got from helping stop the blight were the circles.
Thats the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
Thanks for stopping the apocalypse! May we offer Prison for life???
@@johstark Also the mages that helped Cassandra with the Dragon.
I realise this is a few years late but am i the only one who thinks its good to have such safe havens for mages to learn to controll their powers?
In DA:O it was shown that if youve proved you arent a threat to yourself and others you can be granted leave from the circle (Havent played in a while so correct me if im wrong.). "With great power comes great responsobility". Tevinter made mages free, and look how that ended up.
@@oskukataikko9320 Circle's aren't really safe havens. Even if most of them aren't nearly as bad as Kirkwall's, the only thing that stopped Ferelden's circle from getting that bad was the goodwill of Gregor and his predecessors. While the poor treatment of mages is a problem, it isn't the fundamental problem, just a symptom. The root of the issue is that mages have no power, the control they have of their lives and their circles starts and ends exactly where the Chantry and the Templars decide they do. The problem of mage's rights and the dangers of magic can't be solved by circles because circles give outsiders complete control over what rights the mages do or do not receive, which in turn causes mages to risk apostacy.
@@samwalters6170 The Circles do have a political voice in the form of the high ranking enchanters, and it's their job to advocate for the rights of Mages in the Circle. Vivienne is a prime example of this. The problems start, like every political system, if the wrong people get into positions of power. A weak willed First Enchanter may start surrendering the rights of his charges to appease the more overzealous members of the Chantry, rather than fighting for them. And we've already seen what an overzealous Knight-Commander can do.
Heck, in Inquisition, it's revealed that some mages can be given permission to live outside the Circle by their First Enchanter. Not the Knight-Commander. Not some Chantry bureaucrat. The First Enchanter.
The way I see it is that the circles should be used kinda like a school to teach young mages how to control their powers and how to resist temptation from the fade
Instead of how the circles are now where the mages are treated like prisoners by the Chantry and abused by the Templars. Show the mages how to resist using blood magic and the like
Tl:dr don't abolish the circles outright just turn them into places of learning without the threats and abuse from the Templars
That's what the Circles are supposed to be on paper. The Templars don't just watch the mages, but protect against outside threats. In practice however, it varies wildly depending on where you live. Kirkwall was obviously the worst case scenario, but in Inquisition its revealed that the Ostwick Circle actually allow mages to leave and visit family, or even live outside the Circle, if they receive permission from the First Enchanter.
The First Enchanter is supposed to advocate for the rights of those in their Circle, and work with the Knight-Commander to make sure things don't get too bad. Problem's start when the wrong people get either of those jobs.
Ironic that the Chantry and Circle use blood magic to keep an eye on their mages (the philactery) while being so anti blood magic!
It's not unheard of.
There were some branches of the church in medieval times who used "witchcraft" (which I take to mean either local folk practices or some primitive form of forensics) to track down people they thought were witches. They masked it in talk of 'people who gave of their souls for the greater good' and the like, but the hypocrisy was pretty blatant.
Not really the philactery can’t make a mage say jump up and down rather it just let’s the person know the mage is.
@@ingonyama70 Forensics being "witchcraft" is modern pop culture demonization of medieval societies
I didn't notice Anders slowly appearing at the edge of the screen at first. but i knew he was there. watching. waiting....
I really wanna know why tranquil people lose their emotions. Are emotions somehow linked to the Fade or is it just so traumatising to have no magic that their emotions just pack up their bags and leave?
On love in the Circle; Maddox was sentenced to tranquility for sending a letter to his girlfriend, and Samson, who agreed to carry that letter, was kicked out of the Templar Order.
Jowan's love was also forbidden one. He was going to be made tranquil, but i'm not sure if it's because someone caught him with Lily or some other reason.
Wynne and Fiona's child were taken away from them.
There's also Anders and Karl. I believe Karl was transferred away to separate them.
Personal opinion, there seems to be no "Happy Ending" for Circle mage's love. This is why, if you romance Anders, he was so afraid of losing you. This is why, in the end, he said "Ten years, hundred years from now, someone like me will love someonelike you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart". He just... believe in you that much. (this is why i hate when people kill Anders after they romanced him)
I'm sorry, i personally romanced Merrill but i have so many Anders feels.
Also i want to add that the Gallow break the chantry's law by making Karl tranquil. It is illegal to made tranquil of mage who passed their harrowing. Elthina approve of it, and that's just how fuked up the chantry are. And they did that all because they want to use Karl as a bait for Anders.
Well, actually.....
- Samson was also kicked out for showing signs of lyrium addiction.
- Jowan might have been made Tranquil based on rumors of him being a bloodmage -- rumors that Uldred spread to keep the heat off of himself. Uldred routinely betrayed his own converts to cover his butt.
- Wynne willingly gave up her child - there's an angry letter from the baby's Templar father about it. And Fiona had her baby before she returned to the Circle, and willingly gave him up to his father on the condition that he lie about the baby's parentage.
The problem is mages are not allowed to marry each other and have children in the circle. The are not allowed to meet their family. Basically they are slaves for chantry. Yes well feed and housed but still slaves
"Slaves" is a bit much. I mean, they mainly study.
Actually they were allowed to study for betterment of circle and therefore chantry. Mages are property of the chantry as are their children. As for Wynne and Fiona. Wynne cleary said that if a mage had a child they belonged to the chantry. So the mother couldnt keep the baby. The templar wanted to run away making them hunted forever constantly on the run as the chantry and the templar order wouldnt let it go. Fiona was sexually abused as a child bcs she was an elf. She wanted a better life for her child than what she had.
I was a mage first too! In fact, replaying DA from the beginning, I picked mage again. Your Lore videos are a great help in making things seem more streamlined. For example, my Warden's was always named Kieran Amell, but now it's got extra meaning since, you know, Inquisition. (TOTALLY doing the Dark Ritual BTW. Zevran will get it) The bit about Warden Amell being related to Hawke is a neat touch too, and in DA2 I need all the positivity I can get, since, you know, Anders. (If Jowan taught me anything, it's that have a weakness for damaged mages who make terrible decisions)
I’d find myself being a combination of libritarian and resolutionist, I’m all for mages being free and doing it peacefully but if push comes to shove I’ll be free and I will do almost anything to achieve it.
"Not that bad"? A year of solitary confinement qualifies as "not that bad"? I mean, it is better than Kirkwall but it is still unacceptable.
Could you do something on what we learned in Jaws of Hakkon? How Ameridan was forgotten to time, what he told us about the rite of tranquility. The fact that he was a mage, dalish andrastian and so on?
I find it extremely interesting that he was a dalish mage fighting for the chantry. At the current date in the lore those groups are now arch enemies.
Blame the Exalted March on the Dales for that
Blame the Dale elves for that.
@@darthportusI blame both for stupidity and hypocrisy
As for potential videos, I think an interesting short video might be about the hierarchy of Fereldan nobility? I know that when I first played I was really confused about the difference between a Bann, Arl, and Teyrn. Maybe something about Tranquility and its cure could be cool as well
I'll add those to the list! Thanks :)
I run a dragon age pen and paper rpg and my players are going to try and scam the White Spire, so I'm probably going to show them this video as a starting point.
Oh that's awesome! I have to ask- what are you going to scam them out of?
One of them is an apostate and daughter of a templar who put a bounty of 80 royals on her head. They plan on selling her out and breaking her out. I plan on making this as difficult as I can, but can't say how in case they see this comment.
It was also stated( primarily in the dlc where we found shale) that some mages were allowed to live outside the circles, mainly to serve the nobility. Vivienne also mentions this. The mage in the dlc had a wife and son.
the Chantry needs to burn
since the cirlce in reddcliff had seen Sanders and had schooled that drawen girl they must be curious to find out more about the drawen history &if posssible direct from their neighbors in Orzamar´s Bibliothek.
If the Amell Warden survives and if he decides to become the fist enchanter like fiona did (in the circle that has named after him), he would surely search for his siblings to invite them there.
and probably rebuild the tower ( for his own compfort :P )
since this is the circle we can most relate to , but i dont think it will ever be the same as before , so it would be nice to have visit this circle again while seeing there people we know from the past games.
also im curious what happenes if a mage becomes a seer like cassandra , but which mage could bring any circle the knowletge for this besides the inquisitor.. maybe Fiona if she works like a spy^^
Hi Ghil Dirthalen - My SO and I love watching your videos together, thank you for putting so much thought into them. Have you done a video on the ranking system of Ferelden nobles? Maybe there's not as much to it as I'm thinking but I find it somewhat confusing. Thanks again, great videos!
No, Anders, no!
Ah the circle, a gilded prison of I ever saw one.
Watching some of these videos makes me want to replay origins.
Would you do a video on the identity of Rhys father?
Video about tevinter plss
Actually seems like a life to openly appose and/or avoid.
Excellent video, and I'm not even super into DA. One thing, though. It seems like you edit out a lot of the natural pauses between sentences and after commas. I don't mind at all your talking speed, but taking out those pauses makes the voice over seem rushed. Makes it seem a little weirder considering the video itself and the topic is very relaxed. You're making great content, though, keep it up
I also got a reddit PM about this, so I might be doubling my message here: but thank you so much for the critique! The bad thing about creating stuff, is that sometimes you get blind to mistakes you make. This is totally something I'll be fixing in future videos. Thanks!
Totally relate. In all of my endeavors of life, self-awareness is a huge factor as well (games reviews, architecture, cello). I always love feedback, so I try and help others out when I can also
Lucrosians all the way xD
What fraternity is Vivienne in do you think?
I do admire the libertarian fraternity.
You forgot the Minrathous Circle. That one's less of a prison and more of an Ivy League Institution.
I think you missed Junior Enchanters.
Do you know if there is information if mages can marry their co-mages or non mages?
The Prison of Magi you mean, because lets be honest here:
The Circles are glorified (gilded!) prisons/cages for mages (pun not intended!)...sure they have access to a standard of living most peasants do not, but then again:
Most of the money they make is taken (STOLEN!) by the chantry and what they get is paltry/piteous!
Not to mention that mages have to endure being treated like shit by their jailors, the Templar Order (who themselves are the attack dogs of the Chantry, kept on a Lyrium-Leash! Hell, the Templars remind me of religious fundamentalists and they could very well be doped up suicide bombers wo believe that their cause is righteous even when they brutalize (beat or even rape!) mages!).
Mages have no right to privacy, they can't have a family (this wouldn't hurt me, I don't like children but for many people this is unacceptable!) and they can't leave the Circle (even very loyal followers of the Chantry like Whynne need a good reason to leave the Circle Tower for any length of time! Hell, the Ferelden tower is an extreme because it's on an island that the mages can't leave! They can't even mingle with normal people there, hell the only people who come to the tower are those who want something (the sick for example!))
Note: I agree that mages are dangerous, but part of that is that they are oppressed - if you put pressure on a volatile substance you aren't surprised if it explodes, so why are people surprised that the mages fought a bloody war to get out from under the Chantry's thumb? - and that's why I would reform the system:
Mages have to get training (enough to control their magic) and once that is done they are free to go (a harrowing is included in the training, but after that? Freedom! No phylacteries anymore after the harrowing has been completed! No forced tranquility etc.) and it is all run by mages, no more Templars (they can protect normies and become part of local armies or law-enforcement!), no more Chantry or other outsiders at the Circles (unless they come to request the circle's services, come to visit family or work for the circle (cooks, maids etc.))
I was going to post a counter argument, but your bias is so painfully obvious that it would be a wasted effort. Your point about the Chantry "stealing" money has nothing to do with the subject, and points towards you projecting a hatred of religion onto the topic.
@@addisonwelsh So. You don't have an argument.
@@i.cs.z I do, I just chose not to waste my time on someone who clearly wasn’t going to listen. If you’ve got a part of this meth fueled rant you’d like me to debunk, I’d be happy to.
@@addisonwelsh I want that full counter argument.
@@i.cs.z “The Circles are glorified (gilded!) prisons/cages for mages (pun not intended!)...sure they have access to a standard of living most peasants do not, but then again:”
This is inaccurate. The standards of living vary from Circle to Circle. Some are outright luxurious, and others are literally prisons (Kirkwall).
“Most of the money they make is taken (STOLEN!) by the chantry and what they get is paltry/piteous!”
This is just a lie. At no point is it said that the money made by the Circles is taken by the Chantry. Furthermore, the Chantry is in charge of purchasing and delivering food and supplies to the Circles, not the Circles themselves. Also, notice how he can’t keep his narrative straight: in the previous paragraph he says that the Circles are gilded cages, yet here he claims they must make do with a piteous amount of money.
“Not to mention that mages have to endure being treated like shit by their jailors, the Templar Order (who themselves are the attack dogs of the Chantry, kept on a Lyrium-Leash! Hell, the Templars remind me of religious fundamentalists and they could very well be doped up suicide bombers wo believe that their cause is righteous even when they brutalize (beat or even rape!) mages!).”
The first half of this paragraph is, again, inaccurate. As I have said already, Mages are treated differently depending on which Circle they live in, and even in bad Circles we see there are Templars who do not abuse their charges. The second half of this paragraph is just an unhinged anti-religious rant, and is undeserving of response.
“Mages have no right to privacy, they can't have a family (this wouldn't hurt me, I don't like children but for many people this is unacceptable!) and they can't leave the Circle (even very loyal followers of the Chantry like Whynne need a good reason to leave the Circle Tower for any length of time! Hell, the Ferelden tower is an extreme because it's on an island that the mages can't leave! They can't even mingle with normal people there, hell the only people who come to the tower are those who want something (the sick for example!))”
They have no right to privacy because the Templars must be able to search their quarters for evidence of forbidden research. Restrictions on having a family are yet another aspect that varies from circle to circle. The same is true for not being allowed to leave the Circle. Some Circles even allow mages to live outside the Circle in their own homes.
“Note: I agree that mages are dangerous, but part of that is that they are oppressed - if you put pressure on a volatile substance you aren't surprised if it explodes, so why are people surprised that the mages fought a bloody war to get out from under the Chantry's thumb? - and that's why I would reform the system:”
This is this is incorrect. Oppression has nothing to do with why mages are dangerous. The fact that demons exist and will do everything in their power to get into the physical world and cause mayhem is, along with magic itself. Mages are not dangerous because they are oppressed, they are oppressed because they are dangerous. They don’t deserve to be, but it is an all too human outcome.
“Mages have to get training (enough to control their magic) and once that is done they are free to go (a harrowing is included in the training, but after that? Freedom! No phylacteries anymore after the harrowing has been completed! No forced tranquility etc.) and it is all run by mages, no more Templars (they can protect normies and become part of local armies or law-enforcement!), no more Chantry or other outsiders at the Circles (unless they come to request the circle's services, come to visit family or work for the circle (cooks, maids etc.))”
These reforms are utterly disastrous. Rather than helping mages, they all but guarantee widespread misuse of magic, including blood magic and demon summoning.
Simply letting mages go free because they completed their Harrowing is a bad idea. The Harrowing proves they can resist demonic temptation. It does not make them immune to it, nor does it prove them to be good natured individuals who will never willingly seek to make demonic pacts. Ending forced Tranquility is also a bad idea, as without it the only way to deal with a blood mage is to kill them. With Tranquility they can at least be useful after their atrocities are put to an end.
Trusting the Circles to run themselves without any outside oversight is just moronic and short sighted. All you need is for a few blood mages to take over and suddenly you’re looking at an all out demon invasion. Remember Redcliff in Origins. Think that, but with a few dozen Abominations instead of just one.
How would I fix the Circles? Believe it or not, there isn’t too much to fix. The Circles as they were originally was actually a good system: the Knight-Commander and First Enchanter would work together to ensure the mages didn’t go out of control, and the locals didn’t break out the the torches and pitch forks. The Seekers of Truth were responsible for making sure neither side abused their power. It was a pretty good system, but like all things made by humanity, it eventually broke, in this case because the Seekers stopped recruiting mages.
Bring back the Seekers and make sure they sure they have mages amongst their number, and that’s most problems solved. The local nobility should also be given a say in how the Circle is run as well, so that there is something to offset the Chantry’s influence.
First video i have ever seen with o dislikes
700 likes 0 dislikes how do you do it
you forgot the selfish mages like Vivienne :P