What Sonic Adventure Could Have Looked Like
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Sonic Adventure is one of my favorite Sonic games, but there could have been a timeline where it came out completely differently. If you enjoyed making sure to subscribe cause I have something exceptional planned for 3K subs
Chapters
00:00 - What SA1 could have looked like
1:01 - Changed/Cut Content
6:45 - Concept Stages
10:45 - Conclusion - Ігри
2:15
I think the reason they went away from doing fantastical environments is because SA1 has a realistic art style. Because of this, they used textures that are just photos of real life objects and materials. Making more fantastical environments would require them to make a lot of custom textures.
Making fantastical environments look realistic is very difficult in general
I think so aswell but it confuses me. Why would they have that original idea then switch to the fantasy level then back to the original concept
@@shaulov10They chose a more realistic art style to showcase the Dreamcast's hardware, and show all these realistic graphics and textures. That's it.
@@shaulov10I feel like the fantasy one could of just been reusing assets from a different cut level as a placeholder (I don’t know a ton about the game so this could probably be easily disproven) but I thought it was an interesting idea
@@andarilho_31Yes, but his point is why would they choose that style, then unchoose it, and then choose it again?
that explains why windly valley was always "that one stage" to me. ever since i was a kid i always thought it was weird, as if the stage didn't belong there. think about it, I may not remember perfectly but, in the hud worlds, every stage had a "gate", and they made sense, they al made sense.. except windy valley. you are a in a jungle, all nice, filled with trees, ruins, etc, all cool, then you just touch a... cloudy elevator thing, and you end up in... in what? a big... floating.... windy.. REALM??? because that's what it fucking looks like, another place, it already fantasy-like as it is, I'm talking about the final version. ice cap, lost world, sand ruins, they all made sense - except windy valley
The Dreamcast was not created just for Sonic Adventure, SEGA was already developing the console while Sonic Team worked on the Saturn Sonic Adventure, but they decided to go to the next-gen console once they realized they could get more things they wanted (and they had to wait for the console to be ready to fully start working on the game, so in the time it was not ready they had to do other things for the game lol)
And they didn't really hired Uekawa for Adventure, Uekawa already worked at SEGA, he was the character designer in Ristar, way back in 1994, and the thing for Sonic's redesign in SA1 was actually a competition beetween artists to see who would redesign them, just like the competitions we had in the classic era where we had a lot of artists concepting SEGA's mascot (which Sonic won), his side-kick (which Tails won), etc. And obviously, as we know, Uekawa won the competition to redesign them
Actully from what I remember, the idle audios are used in the game, like for link's idle animation in botw you just need to wait a long time. Not only that but there's 2 idle dialogs : the default one (for sonic it's "better get going")and a zone specific one.
That's why you'll never normally hear the "he can't be invincible can he?" As it's meant to play in the fight against chaos 0 but you'll probably get hurt before the audio plays.
There's a mod for sadx "idle chatter" I think it's called, who plays the idle audio by the press of a button, so by spamming a little said button you can hear the because it's obviously easier to listen to the idle audio of sration square compared to chaos 4's, as standing idle means death in this situation.
I see. Still I wish they were played more frequently
Sa1 and sa2 they are good they are such classics
TRUE AND IM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING THEIR NOT
@@shaulov10those are fake fans
Its a opiniont for me it aged like milk
@@Michael_Afton40pls understand its a opiniont
@@sonicmaster1231that's not an opinion, that's a claim about an objective theme so it can be corrected. It didn't aged like milk, it aged like wine considering today's sonic games
I would love a fan game based on this, SA1 is amazing but I want a fully playble fan game based on Sonic Adventure's Prototype
BRO I KNOW. we can get close with mods but it won’t be the same
Make it
@@MastaGambit I'm not a game creator and I know nothing about game development unfortunately
@@Mr.IDK07 Don't think anything like you said exists, but I'll shoot you a suggestion for a game, Spark the Electric Jester 3. Plays a lot like SA games.
There is! (kind of)
There's a homebrew Sonic game being made called Sonic Ringsworld that'll work on an actual Sega Saturn.
Dude this just shows that SA1 is an ABSOLUTE W
And i really wanted the sonic jam jump spindash etc.
TRUUUUE
ahhh, my FIRST sonic game. An absolute CLASSIC
Love this game to death
Sonic Adventure's development is an interesting topic. The game is very impressive and almost saved the Dreamcast!
Another thing I recently learned is,Sonic in his adventure/modern design has Green eyes...to reference Green Hill Zone.
It turns out that Sonic Adventure had DLC,such as Halloween dlc and christmas dlc. That is very interesting and a lot of people don't know about that.
The game was created in just 16 months,and it is to this day one of the most impressive video games of all time.
Sonic Adventure is deffinetly one or my favorite Sonic games.
I am happy that you covered the development of this game!
This video was awesome!
Thank yo man. Honestly there was so much stuff left out that if I really wanted to talk about everything it could be an hourlong video
@@shaulov10 Yeah,I can see why you needed to cut some stuff out. Also,if you ever get the chance,you should cover the betas,unused content,and development of Sonic 2! The game was going to be much larger,the story was going to be about time travel,like you would go through the island,and then you would make it to a warp point,which would warp you to the past(so,time travel was never ment to be in game,but only in the story),for example,Hill Top Zone was going to be the past version of Emerald Hill Zone,and Wood Zone was the present version of Casino Night Zone. There are also a bunch of concept arts for the game,and there is so much!
It would be an interesting video!
@@brawlsonic18 I think that’s why sonic CD exists
@@shaulov10 Actually,no. It turns out Sonic Team got split. One in North America,and one staying back in Japan. The japanese team worked on Sonic CD,while the North American Team worked on Sonic 2. The tome travel thing for both games is just a coincidence.
@brawlsonic18 huh. I might just make a vid on this
This stuff is all really interesting to look at, especially prototype Windy Valley and the Saturn prototypes, it's weird to imagine what the game could have been had we had it in the Saturn still with the classic designs and stuff
Compared to Forces and Frontiers, this is pretty close to the concepts and the original ideas that got drastically changed in the final product were for the better (like making it a Modern game in the Dreamcast)
It would be so cool to see how the game could have turned out
Keep in mind that Sonic Team began developing it for the Saturn in April 1997, with a 20-member team. However, development was already moved to the Dreamcast by July 1997, meaning only 3 months at most were spent on the Saturn hardware. As a result, there really would not have been much of a leftover from the Saturn version.
Fair but hey still had the bare essentials like animations and those are the most important
We have part of the Saturn version, the video isn’t well researched. Sonic Team said the 3D section of Sonic Jam was born out of an unfinished SA1 build for the Saturn.
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I really hope they make a 3d classic Sonic game one day. The fangames have proven that if the physics are on point, you can craft a masterpiece of a videogame.
Surprised you didn't touch Twinkle Circuit like at all, the entire design is different in the 1 video and 1 cubemap we have of the stage
Oh. I didn’t catch that. Must have missed it
So the fact that adventure 1 took 16 months and then now seeing you make this video is impressive because the game is really special
Yeah. And for the time, it was the biggest productions with 100 people
@@shaulov10 woah that is impressive. Sega should hire more game developers for the Sonic Team. They needed more talented animators! There are like only 2 or 4 animators in the team
This was a really cool video!
Thank you my guy
The super Sonic beta desing is one I have NEVER witness in my life
(what will be the 3K subs surprise?)
I know man its genuinely surreal. Also get to 3K and we’ll find out
Think about it, if Sonic Adventure was released on the Saturn, there would be no Sonic Jam. Or, it would have been called Sonic Jam and there would be no Sonic Adventure.
The butterfly effect is crazy
Awesome video, love it! Congrats on 3k 🎉
gratz on 3k
sonic adventure’s worlds feel similar to super mario sunshine’s worlds. just something so magical about the atmosphere of each game
Congrats on hitting 3K subs
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part of me wishes they kept the classic designs because it would be really funny to see the more serious storytelling of the modern games with the looneytoons ass classic designs
While true. I feel like it was necessary for sonic as a character to mature for the series to evolve
@@shaulov10 oh yeah for sure
this is a great video bro
Always enjoying new and familiar stuff related to Sonic Adventure~
This type of stuff is just way to interesting
I was hoping you’d play ‘crank up the heat!’ (My favorite sa1 track and imo the best non vocal track) in the bg
Have the files for sonic jam been fully searched? It would be interesting if there’s any other evidence for it being the adventure prototype in it
Probably somewhere.
I wouldn't say we hate the series , were just tired of being chronically disappointed.
Sega is like that bad date that swears they've changed , and they did.
But they never change what lead to breaking up , or quitting Sonic , in the first place.
This is my second time quitting Sonic , and I'm actually happy.
While I agree with you. If you have to see what kishimoto has done with frontiers. He has taken nearly everyone’s feedback into the updates and i truly think the future is looking good
While it is nice that they take feedback , don't you think it's a little late?
People have already grieved like they did when Shadow died , they moved on.
And how long do you think this business model will last with Twitter/X?
All it takes is one person making an account on a new site to create problems.
If those sites are even that good to use.
I could imagine sega making a open world classic sonic game where you can unlock moves from the classic games and upgrade them with rings and similar to sonic frontiers where you need skill points
Very good video, I love it💕
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Thankfully i still love this game no matter what it could have looked like its one of my favorite video games.
True
I could just imagine classic sonic with soap shoes😲
Nah man that’s like not possible for me
You know, maybe if Sonic Team hadn't dicked around on the Saturn, we could have gotten a good Saturn 3d Sonic game (Nights and Burning Rangers were good, but it wasn't what the Saturn really needed)
The Speed Highway Demo Audio is actually the final track, just not compressed to hell and back.
Beta Windy Valley feels like the goal they wanted to make, but ambitious were quite ahead at the end.
Just by the name "adventure" and the first Sonic in 3-D i think they wanted to make something like we had in Crash Twinsanity.
A stage mostly open to go wherever you want but there is a defined goal at the end of the road in which you progress story but at your free will, there are colectables around and why not, even a backtracking element due to Sonic's multiple pathways levels.
So, as Windy Valley, maybe pretty much every level in Sonic Adventure could have been meant to be just as that kind of open world style.
I wonder what sonic-related fangame comment I would make today 🤔🤔
Listen it’s Friday. Let’s take a day off
@@shaulov10it's Saturday now, it's omening time
A Masterpiece for its time
I would love if you do a similar video on sonic synergy aka the original sonic boom, but anyway great video as always
Yeah Mystic Ruins was already kinda creepy to me as a kid.(Getting lost in the jungle while playing with the lights off at night made me nervous.) The loading music would’ve made me pee myself
nah i think the reason why they scraped windy valley beta is because it was way open, so the game had to show way more textures than the final version, making the fps drops,compared to others stages. I don't think that would be a huge problem on today's moderns platforms, but it was on your og dreamcast
Lmao when u said we sonic fans hate our own series was hilarious cause it’s so true
10:28 kind of gives me ultra sonic vibes
I kinda see it
This guy's seems to have ADHD, just like Sonic (and me). 👌🏼 Fun video, brings back memories ❤
Probably
Mario keeps getting remakes lately so Sega buddy how about giving your hedgehog the same treatment? Sonic Adventure remake when? It might actually be my favorite Sonic game.
The thing is. They CANNOT fuck them up. So I don’t mind if they take some time to come out
@@shaulov10 They have to actually start first.
idk why Sonic Adventure hasn't been remastered in widescreen, they should at least give us an option, even if it causes unwanted clipping.
i think they waiting for the right time to do it
@@shaulov10 I forget Nintendo's next console is coming soon.
Shaulov you should make a vid about the fanmade short film called project shadow
You do realise that Sonic changed his design like mid-way through Dreamcast development? There's still icons in the game with a Dreamcast model but he's a lighter blue with black eyes and he isnt as lanky and is shorter. TBH I would've loved to see that design in game as a playable character along with all the others.
Wow cool
10:28 Maybe Its A Concept Of A Sonic Transformation Animation
Idk it looks like they were gonna roll with super sonic being flaccid
LearNING AS usual I see!
Not the creepy Sonic sprite at 5:53 😭
Fun Fact: The choice of Sonic having Green Eyes came from making it a reference to Green Hill Zone.
That’s kinda funny
Well, I think modders havea HUGE assets here to work on a different take on the game...Imagine being able to play Wind Valley as originally intended and fight the Dragon boss!
there's mods for both!
5:35 sonic team should have included that in the final game
Nah for sure I would have gotten jumpscare but it
The beta version of windy valley looks more colorful than the finished version of the stage which makes me curious if the inevitable adventure remake will bring back the more colorful version of windy valley from the beta version of adventure
you missed the egg carrier title card jingle..
Sonic Team didn't go to "South America", well, they went to Chichen Itzá which is actually in North America, and also Guatemala to Tikal. On another note, they're not "Aztec" ruins, it's Mayan. Sorry for being "that guy", but just wanted to point that out.
Thank you!
I feel like the windy valley we got was going to be a different sonic level or mini level sorta like sky chase and when they scraped the beta they put the one we have now as windy valley
Well, I guess one aspect of that super sonic design stuck with the final design.
For some odd reason the arms on the super sonic model are long as hell compared to the normal model.
I guess so. Still an odd choice
@@shaulov10 By the way, I've got a little theory. This design could've been referencing super saiyan 3. You can see the similarity if you look at how long the spines on his body are, but that's pretty much the only thing I saw.
someone should count how many times he said "different"
Man everything is just different
I reallllllyyyy wish sonic adventure had been designed with the Saturn in mind. They should’ve released it on both machines, if just to make the Dreamcast version look better
I am SO glad they ditched the hub world loading music 🫢 holy crap
11:23 *Masato Nishimura has entered the chat*
3 voice lines don’t count
@@shaulov10 I'd say it does. CD and SegaSonic were the only times before Adventure where they weren't running into technical limitations with adding in voice lines. (The Saturn could have handled it, but Jam was the only Sonic game on that console not developed by a third party)
Generations and Forces are the only times where Classic Sonic's canonically mute, with him canonically speaking after those games (IDW comics) and semi-canonically before (SegaSonic and CD)
In addition, I'd say it's safe to assume that they were going to have voice acting by the point the project was Sonic RPG, which was before the Adventure redesigns were made (As can be seen by the footage we have of Sonic RPG using a unique model of Classic Sonic where the eyes are modeled instead of just being a flat texture on his face)
@@PercyPanleosonic rpg?
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic Sonic RPG was what the project was called before they decided on the final name
the original windy valley was at the time was Dreamcast could not handle it would have caused crashing with too many objects on screen.
Yeah I get that. I guess they wanted to experiment but they couldn’t see through the vision so they went back
Classic sega era died when the dreamcast died
I hope there’s a much more developed beta of sa1 still around somewhere. (Not Sonic Jam btw)
Oh for sure. Theirs probably a demo somewhere in sega HQ
I wonder what will happen if they kept classic sonic, will he still get modern sonic somehow
What if it was made instead of Sonic Frontiers?
Radical
That balloon at 8:21 is also in Sonic Adventure 2.
It’s in pumpkin hill
@@PonyBean14 It's in a lot of levels, including that one.
Big the cat beta, looks a lot like Totoro xP, is cool to review the beta miscellanious content that Sonic Adventure could have
Wish the Saturn style was in the fully fledged game... and maybe with less fishing.
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10:33 fin.
What if Yuji Naja wasn’t a massive control freak.
Well then maybe he would be in jail lmao
Probably it could be even more like Super Mario Odyssey.
10:36 Sonic 06 Model
Basically
sonic adventure 1 my fav game 100% better then sonic adventuer 2 no cap
SA1 W
Common SA1 W
Common Shaulov W@@shaulov10
niiice, interesting, very interesting. adventure is definitely THE sonic game, it's so special...
super sonic whoa, interesting
transition music... didn't like them, and I am someone who is passionate about music, especially adventure 1's. those music just feel off, they don't feel "adventure" to me. I have to ask, who composed them?? it caught my ears' attention. they feel like they follow a different musical, esthetical philosophy. I don't like them for reasons stated, but, either way, thank you for sharing them, never heard them before, it was my favourite stuff. I said I care about the musical aspect lol
it was jun senoue who composed the music for this game but there were more aswell like Fumie kumatani
@@shaulov10 ahh, I see.. well also I didn't think it that much, it's not like there weren't any "weird" similar tracks in the games already hehe (like the game over theme.. or I think it was the continue screen?), but yeah, the mystic ruins one is surprisingly scary ah
nice!
I like the beta windy valley so much better
Literally same. Just better
Describing the final version of Windy Valley as "realistic" is uh... Way off the mark. There's not a single thing about the stage that is even remotely realistic. Islands floating in midair connected by bridges, air currents that you can run on, mysterious bridges of metal bent into loops, floating windmills, etc. It's very fantasy-like and disconnected from reality in and of itself, the beta version just leaned into that aspect a bit harder.
10:21 If someone hates Big's design, that person has no rights to be in this fandom.
They can’t handle bigs absolutely massive stature
6:33p.m. 9/22/2023
Sonic Adventure DX gameplay🤨🤨🤨
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we lost and are now living in the worst timeline
What are you yapping about
just that I kinda prefer the more fantastic look and feel from the prototype stage. And I'm not really a fan of SA1 and 2@@shaulov10
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Sonic jam sonic world could have been sonic adventure. 😊adventure was the beginning of sonics downfall by trying to reinvent the wheel. Big fishing, treasure hunt knuckles, gamma shooter… yuk
Quite literally not true. You just have skill issue tbh
i subbed just to help you, idk why people never sub when people ask, its not that hard to click a button
Well thank you man. I appreciate it
SA1 is best overall SA2 has better chao things
3:50 are those dead pixels
The early 2000s music sucks. His World and Knight of the Wind are the only exceptions.
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