Hi Bart, Felix here. Really cool hearing you thoughts. My train of thought donking out here is to protect my bottom two pair, which as you know can be counterfeited frequently by the river. At the same time, I want to get value from your over pair with a heart. As you can tell from my bet size, I was charging the draw here, on the flop and on the turn. I have to lead out here occasionally and I can get you fold most of your over pair without a heart, and two over cards without a heart. Also, if a 4th heart comes out, my hand is basically dead. I called your all in on the turn still thinking I can be ahead 50% of the time (ahead of your over pair with a heart). Anyways, good hand Bart.
OOP multiway, bottom two pair is not a strong enough hand that it should be led out in this way; you are ahead of the flop continue range but when you continue to lead the turn you are value-owning yourself. The fact that you see overpair with a heart as being a strong opponent bluff candidate points this out - if that's the bottom of his calling range/top of his bluffing range, your turn value bet loses money. Actually now that I look you are barely ahead of pair-and-flush-draw type hands on the flop anyway, so that is too thin even in a vacuum. Should be 100% check.
@@adamshort2534 "you continue to lead the turn you are value-owning yourself". Not really. Bart's range after button 3-bet and calling a donk on a board of 923 [all hearts] is pretty much any overpair with a heart, some overpairs without a heart (especially AA/KK), 99, AK/AQ with one heart, and flushes. And maybe some Ah9x. He ONLY loses to flopped flushes and 99, which is maybe 40% of his range. Bart's range is primarily draws if you count the combos.
@@noex100 It amazes me people keep making this mistake. When you bet for value it's not enough to be ahead of the opponents' range you have to be ahead of the continue range. Also as I noted on flop you are not actually getting value from pair-and-flush draw hands as you are only ahead of those hands by a tiny margin, a percentage point or two. This hand just has to be a flop check. Leading is terrible unless bart is a calling station
@@RaulGroom Both I and Adam are talking about the turn, not the flop. Adam: "but when you continue to lead the TURN..." Me: [direct quote of the above] and then: "AFTER button 3-bet and calling a donk..." (after the donk is the turn) Try again.
In a 2 month span, around 2008 at Hawaiian Gardens casino, I flopped the nut flush vs 1 pair, all four times it went runner-runner full house. That year I ran so bad I actually quit poker for 10 years. Just started playing again 2018 but casually...
I understand your pain. In the past few months I’ve flopped top set 3 times against top pair top kicker and lost to a running bigger full house. Less than .5% chance of that happening… but it happens.
0:45 I am not following what Bart is saying about why A5 suited is better multiway than a connector. What does he mean by reverse implied odds for the connector?
@@daviddiehl9928 I don't understand what that means though. I get implied odds, you call because if you hit you win not just what is in the pot, but more from you opponent because we expect them to put more money in, whether by betting or calling, if we do hit. But what does playing a hand with reverse implied odds mean?
Reverse implied odds mean we make our hand and put a ton of money in, but we make a worse hand than the villain. Such as 67s making a flush and running into ace/king high flush.
@@daviddiehl9928 considering A5s makes the nut flush and suited connectors don’t, you’re kinda wrong. Obviously A5 can make a worse straight than 57 for example, but suited aces can make the nuts
@@gordonbelle1375 basically if you hit your hand of top pair...a lot of times you are out kicked. You will probably put money in and many times be drawing quite thin.
Here's a hand I played a couple months ago at a 1/2NL and the villain is effective at $1700... A 10k Bad Beat of only QQQ44, so keep that in mind... Hero QQ from the SB. Raise from the Cut Off after 5 limpers to $30. Hero 3B! $$135. Villain calls after limpers fold to a heads up pot. KQJ flop. Hero continues for $150. Villain calls. KQJK on the turn. Hero bets $420. Villain calls. KQJKK on the river. Hero checks and villain jams. Hero(not realizing at first that the bad beat was counterfeit...stupid me) calls. Villain shows AK offsuit... Worst beat I've ever had... Though I played the river so bad... I knew he had a King and, being excited, I called ..
👍👍 ? Played a tourney while back... Got busted for 3 buy-ins.. each time with either nut or K flush (2 of them flopped...) and get it in either flop or turn. All 3 hands were 2/4%ers - 2 hands @ 2%, 1 @ 4%- (1/2card for straight flushes)..was brutal getting 2%ed 3 times in 1 session.. my worst run-bad ever. Funny thing? The open ender straight flush (third busto) I just knew it was coming....😂😂😂 Was just "that sort of day"...👍 Edit - definitely not a day to go hang gliding/parachuting...👍😂😂😂👍
The part of the analysis that is missing is your read on THIS player. Would this player overplay a hand like 2 pair against YOU. What was his perception of YOU.
Had a similar hand for a lot less money a while back. A guy button straddled for like 1/4 of his stack. I had him covered in the cut-off with folds to me and jammed. He snap called off. I had Ad3d. Flop was 9d4d2d. I turned my hand up and announced, "Nuts!" Turn was 4c. River was 2h. He turns up 3s2c. I was stunned.
I was shot taking and I lost two all ins back to back 90% and 96% Felt it for a week straight I only lost a few thousand. I could've won those all ins and gone a huge heater and found myself shot taking and losing tens of thousands later This has strangely made me more cognizant of bankroll management
Not sure why this hand deserves so much analysis. When flush meets two pairs, there is a chance that two pairs will turn into a boat. It’s not a butterfly effect. Small probability events just happen, that is normal in poker games.
Was thinking the same thing. The other player overplayed his hand / misread Barry's hand - not unusual except for the stakes. What WOULD be interesting is playing this video with the other player providing HIS thought process.
@crushlivepoker I am super curious Very speculative considering your position but what would you do in the same scenario if you were holding 4,5 of hearts not the ace
@@theawfulgambler I misread, I was thinking of it as “If yes, why you would you flat instead of jamming”. I think the answer to your question is you jam the turn if you think the naked Ace of hearts is calling. But pot odds dictate an easy fold from the naked Ace in that scenario, so you’d have to be up against a bad, gambling type player to do that. So then the question is would villain call a turn jam with a made hand hoping you’re semi-bluffing with the naked Ace? If you think so, it might be worth the jam. I think ultimately I like the turn check with K high flush.
On the flop, you're taking about what hands you would raise with and you mention the K-high flush. Then you talk about the 1-card turn possibilities and you say 8 hearts and 9 board pairings. You're right, technically, but I think you need to discount how your opponents connect with the board. One pair removes one of those bad redraws and two pair/sets remove two of those bad redraws. With two opponents, you're obviously better off if they both have a piece because they block each other on those bad redraws. And if there are chasing on draws, even better for you.
It is, but hes not flatting pre because he thinks he has the best hand. Hes more than likely somewhat afraid of Barts 3 bet. Than on the flop, even if JJ is still good, it has to fade a lot of outs. Its a great fold, dont get me wrong, but I think folding a hand like black Aces, that just called to trap, would be a really excellent fold.
Odds of “winning” are misrepresented. Had to fade 3 or 4 outs twice in a row to “win”. Odds of “winning” when you know no one else’s cards are about 83%. 87% if you count the out being gone. 5/6 or 7/8 favorite to “win” instead of 15/16.
Man I hope you do well and win Tons... but this is already a 3bet pot with 2 callers and a lead out... the lead out symbolizes strength tbh I'm so upset I'm only at 6.21 minutes idk what you do next... but the lead out by UTG means he's strong.. Think about preflop action... if the UTG BETS I THINK SET! SET! SET! Which for me is an easy raise and hopefully he has Kflush or drawing to that or a straight but if not its 3 people somebody has something but if not you just scoop bro....3bet call... call ... 1st to act that's a raise because either way you get your chips in now... if they call again and board pairs you can check and figure it out later.. fuxk it I have the nuts I can bet the turn light to keep them in or faint weakness on turn the world is yours and river to let them bluff depending... but you have to make more on the flop with 3 people.. .. like I said I only saw 6.21 I will continue... but YOU 3 bet so a CBET is standard and so is a raise/call situation...they will think you auto cbet no matter what and the turn gets easier because you see a card black jack and it's over... you raise post flop with overs that's why he bet into 2 players because aces down are no good that's why it seems like strength to me
The bottom two pair donk on a wet board is a classic move you see at low stakes. It took me some time to figure it out, but that's pretty much what it always is, in my experience. Other times a donk on the turn is when villain turns a relatively weak hand into a big combo draw, etc.
Gotta find a way to break down a single hand in less than 19 minutes. Great commentary, but I just gave away 2% of my entire waking day on one Bart Hanson hand. Like Teddy KGB said..." I feel so unsatisfied."
@@CrushlivePoker Makes sense. I love your commentary on Live-stream. Need to divorce my wife so I'll have more time to listen to UA-cam and podcasts. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is what makes me laugh, you put up all these videos explaining these concepts religiously, and you don’t do any of them because it doesn’t make sense to. It’s almost like poker influencers are trying to keep the game fishy by putting misinformation out there.
Bart's hand was shaking when he shoved all in and tried to stacked the chips, he was shaking so bad. I'd say this is probably Bart's biggest pot. Haven't seen any this size before for him. Let's go, Let's gamble!!!!
Over analysis. Low skilled players never think ppl can flop a flush, just don’t want a badBeat from 1 ❤hands 😂. Gets rivered by 2 pair. Happens to me all the time
Picking nits here but it's 19 cards because you already have the 5h so there isn't three cards that can pair the 5, just two. I'll let you slide just once though 😉
@@lew115 what is fun about playing extremely poor preflop? Don’t forget he played bottom two pair on a monotone board like he had the nuts, got it in as a 11.5-1 underdog, and somehow split the pot. The guy should just quit poker he’s awful.
@@mrx7181 If he was against AhAx, you'd say he was a genius. Inb4, AA was impossible. Dweeb. Always funny listening to you losers criticise far more successful people than yourselves.
Hi Bart,
Felix here. Really cool hearing you thoughts. My train of thought donking out here is to protect my bottom two pair, which as you know can be counterfeited frequently by the river. At the same time, I want to get value from your over pair with a heart. As you can tell from my bet size, I was charging the draw here, on the flop and on the turn. I have to lead out here occasionally and I can get you fold most of your over pair without a heart, and two over cards without a heart. Also, if a 4th heart comes out, my hand is basically dead. I called your all in on the turn still thinking I can be ahead 50% of the time (ahead of your over pair with a heart). Anyways, good hand Bart.
OOP multiway, bottom two pair is not a strong enough hand that it should be led out in this way; you are ahead of the flop continue range but when you continue to lead the turn you are value-owning yourself.
The fact that you see overpair with a heart as being a strong opponent bluff candidate points this out - if that's the bottom of his calling range/top of his bluffing range, your turn value bet loses money.
Actually now that I look you are barely ahead of pair-and-flush-draw type hands on the flop anyway, so that is too thin even in a vacuum. Should be 100% check.
@@adamshort2534 shut up
@@adamshort2534 "you continue to lead the turn you are value-owning yourself". Not really. Bart's range after button 3-bet and calling a donk on a board of 923 [all hearts] is pretty much any overpair with a heart, some overpairs without a heart (especially AA/KK), 99, AK/AQ with one heart, and flushes. And maybe some Ah9x. He ONLY loses to flopped flushes and 99, which is maybe 40% of his range. Bart's range is primarily draws if you count the combos.
@@noex100 It amazes me people keep making this mistake. When you bet for value it's not enough to be ahead of the opponents' range you have to be ahead of the continue range.
Also as I noted on flop you are not actually getting value from pair-and-flush draw hands as you are only ahead of those hands by a tiny margin, a percentage point or two.
This hand just has to be a flop check. Leading is terrible unless bart is a calling station
@@RaulGroom Both I and Adam are talking about the turn, not the flop.
Adam: "but when you continue to lead the TURN..."
Me: [direct quote of the above] and then: "AFTER button 3-bet and calling a donk..." (after the donk is the turn)
Try again.
I like the jam on turn. Nothing wrong here Bart. Unfavorable river lol better have a bankroll playing any stakes or can hurt the pockets!
As far as bad beats go, this is right up there. lucky that you got to run it twice, I was half expecting the second river to be another 3 or a 2.
In a 2 month span, around 2008 at Hawaiian Gardens casino, I flopped the nut flush vs 1 pair, all four times it went runner-runner full house. That year I ran so bad I actually quit poker for 10 years. Just started playing again 2018 but casually...
I understand your pain.
In the past few months I’ve flopped top set 3 times against top pair top kicker and lost to a running bigger full house. Less than .5% chance of that happening… but it happens.
You quit in 2008?O man id give anything to go back to those days,easy pickings,maybe you were just a fish
was this live-streamed lately? would love to watch one of barts sessions!
Yes it was from the 4/28/22 HCL live stream. Link is here: ua-cam.com/video/LIx0pENpcfY/v-deo.html
@@CrushlivePoker thanks, much appreciated!
But, if he has a naked Ah, while you have K high flush, shouldn't you be raising the turn to charge him for his equity?
0:45 I am not following what Bart is saying about why A5 suited is better multiway than a connector. What does he mean by reverse implied odds for the connector?
yea both hand types have bad reverse implied odds...can argue A5 even more so.
@@daviddiehl9928 I don't understand what that means though. I get implied odds, you call because if you hit you win not just what is in the pot, but more from you opponent because we expect them to put more money in, whether by betting or calling, if we do hit. But what does playing a hand with reverse implied odds mean?
Reverse implied odds mean we make our hand and put a ton of money in, but we make a worse hand than the villain. Such as 67s making a flush and running into ace/king high flush.
@@daviddiehl9928 considering A5s makes the nut flush and suited connectors don’t, you’re kinda wrong. Obviously A5 can make a worse straight than 57 for example, but suited aces can make the nuts
@@gordonbelle1375 basically if you hit your hand of top pair...a lot of times you are out kicked. You will probably put money in and many times be drawing quite thin.
That guy is calling with 23 🐠🐠🐠
This is great analysis. Excellent video
I loose with 90% equity constantly online it's pretty much expected at this point.
Yea me too like 1 in 10 times
@@well.thy.one. try more like 7 out of 10.
Here's a hand I played a couple months ago at a 1/2NL and the villain is effective at $1700... A 10k Bad Beat of only QQQ44, so keep that in mind...
Hero QQ from the SB. Raise from the Cut Off after 5 limpers to $30.
Hero 3B! $$135.
Villain calls after limpers fold to a heads up pot.
KQJ flop. Hero continues for $150. Villain calls.
KQJK on the turn. Hero bets $420. Villain calls.
KQJKK on the river. Hero checks and villain jams. Hero(not realizing at first that the bad beat was counterfeit...stupid me) calls.
Villain shows AK offsuit... Worst beat I've ever had... Though I played the river so bad... I knew he had a King and, being excited, I called ..
Yeah, you played the river very poorly.
So what is your point?
Next.
I lose 93% hands at least once a week.
👍👍 ? Played a tourney while back... Got busted for 3 buy-ins.. each time with either nut or K flush (2 of them flopped...) and get it in either flop or turn. All 3 hands were 2/4%ers - 2 hands @ 2%, 1 @ 4%- (1/2card for straight flushes)..was brutal getting 2%ed 3 times in 1 session.. my worst run-bad ever. Funny thing? The open ender straight flush (third busto) I just knew it was coming....😂😂😂
Was just "that sort of day"...👍
Edit - definitely not a day to go hang gliding/parachuting...👍😂😂😂👍
Well yea
I really liked you thought process and thought you played it perfect. He played this hand poorly and got lucky but that’s poker of course.
The part of the analysis that is missing is your read on THIS player. Would this player overplay a hand like 2 pair against YOU. What was his perception of YOU.
Had a similar hand for a lot less money a while back. A guy button straddled for like 1/4 of his stack. I had him covered in the cut-off with folds to me and jammed. He snap called off. I had Ad3d. Flop was 9d4d2d. I turned my hand up and announced, "Nuts!" Turn was 4c. River was 2h. He turns up 3s2c. I was stunned.
Fish
Hard to see the 2 pair your absolutely correct I’m jamming river if I hadn’t already jammed turn, nice analysis!
I was shot taking and I lost two all ins back to back 90% and 96%
Felt it for a week straight
I only lost a few thousand.
I could've won those all ins and gone a huge heater and found myself shot taking and losing tens of thousands later
This has strangely made me more cognizant of bankroll management
Superb analysis - well played Bart. Good result running it twice 😉
The decision to run it twice was the best 😂 imo you played it perfectly, I'm also impressed by the flop JJ fold, not sure of I would..
How are you NOT folding Jacks with no heart after a bet and a call on a flushed board?? Easiest fold after not re-raising pre.
@@charlesnewborn3760 ok but both could be drawing, or have a nine, if it was a bet raise on the flop would be a different story
Run it four times
@@joaoalegria7578 Keep watching videos....
@@joaoalegria7578 Thats pretty optimistic bro! Just fold JJ is not holding up by the river
Did you not think that he simply thought he had the best hand with two pair while bluffing hearts?
Not sure why this hand deserves so much analysis. When flush meets two pairs, there is a chance that two pairs will turn into a boat. It’s not a butterfly effect. Small probability events just happen, that is normal in poker games.
Was thinking the same thing. The other player overplayed his hand / misread Barry's hand - not unusual except for the stakes. What WOULD be interesting is playing this video with the other player providing HIS thought process.
@crushlivepoker I am super curious Very speculative considering your position but what would you do in the same scenario if you were holding 4,5 of hearts not the ace
If you had the king high flush, do you think he would fold the turn to a jam? If no, why would you flat instead of jamming? Thanks Bart!
He said he’d just call b/c it could induce villain to bluff the river if the 4th heart doesn’t come.
@@blakefredrickson6506 erm yes I heard that. Doesn’t answer my question at all lol.
@@theawfulgambler I misread, I was thinking of it as “If yes, why you would you flat instead of jamming”.
I think the answer to your question is you jam the turn if you think the naked Ace of hearts is calling. But pot odds dictate an easy fold from the naked Ace in that scenario, so you’d have to be up against a bad, gambling type player to do that.
So then the question is would villain call a turn jam with a made hand hoping you’re semi-bluffing with the naked Ace? If you think so, it might be worth the jam.
I think ultimately I like the turn check with K high flush.
This is why, I'll occasionally play small suited connectors or 1 gappers from early position. If you smash the flop, no one believes you.
Thank you for helping poker not be dead! :)
@@TheGreenFire41 right lol
Yeah and then you can get it all in with 5% equity 😂
Try 27o if it comes 277 youll make a fortune!
Did they get the names wrong on the stream? Looks to me like you’re in the hand with a big fat fish?
On the flop, you're taking about what hands you would raise with and you mention the K-high flush. Then you talk about the 1-card turn possibilities and you say 8 hearts and 9 board pairings.
You're right, technically, but I think you need to discount how your opponents connect with the board. One pair removes one of those bad redraws and two pair/sets remove two of those bad redraws. With two opponents, you're obviously better off if they both have a piece because they block each other on those bad redraws. And if there are chasing on draws, even better for you.
Excellent breakdown
Dude got lucky.. but you did a helluva play in there going all in which I will also do in that situation!
I wish you would have commented more on the JJ folding the flop so easily. Seems like a big fold, even with no heart, its still an overpair
It is, but hes not flatting pre because he thinks he has the best hand. Hes more than likely somewhat afraid of Barts 3 bet.
Than on the flop, even if JJ is still good, it has to fade a lot of outs.
Its a great fold, dont get me wrong, but I think folding a hand like black Aces, that just called to trap, would be a really excellent fold.
Standard fold v a pfr,pf 3 bettor that bet and call flop,whats he beating?
Odds of “winning” are misrepresented. Had to fade 3 or 4 outs twice in a row to “win”.
Odds of “winning” when you know no one else’s cards are about 83%. 87% if you count the out being gone. 5/6 or 7/8 favorite to “win” instead of 15/16.
5 3 was also folded, why are you only counting 1 out being gone?
“If there easy luck in poker then we wouldn’t have this game.”Bart said. Says the shark to the fishies!
wasn't luck*
I don’t understand why It gave the guy with Js zero percent on the flop. He could hit quads or a full house
the other 2 J's were dead, 2 2's were dealt plus the flop, 2 3's were dealt plus the flop so 0% crazy
JJ has a better than 0 chance on the flop. Screen stats are wrong. Doesn't change anything.
that first river was sick.
Always run it twice if u ever get the chance.
Man I hope you do well and win Tons... but this is already a 3bet pot with 2 callers and a lead out... the lead out symbolizes strength tbh I'm so upset I'm only at 6.21 minutes idk what you do next... but the lead out by UTG means he's strong.. Think about preflop action... if the UTG BETS I THINK SET! SET! SET! Which for me is an easy raise and hopefully he has Kflush or drawing to that or a straight but if not its 3 people somebody has something but if not you just scoop bro....3bet call... call ... 1st to act that's a raise because either way you get your chips in now... if they call again and board pairs you can check and figure it out later.. fuxk it I have the nuts I can bet the turn light to keep them in or faint weakness on turn the world is yours and river to let them bluff depending... but you have to make more on the flop with 3 people.. .. like I said I only saw 6.21 I will continue... but YOU 3 bet so a CBET is standard and so is a raise/call situation...they will think you auto cbet no matter what and the turn gets easier because you see a card black jack and it's over... you raise post flop with overs that's why he bet into 2 players because aces down are no good that's why it seems like strength to me
Easy to win when u have people at your table that make donkbets frecuently
Ask ECC.
(Eat Cho Cheese)
misleading title..he is only 93%
The bottom two pair donk on a wet board is a classic move you see at low stakes. It took me some time to figure it out, but that's pretty much what it always is, in my experience. Other times a donk on the turn is when villain turns a relatively weak hand into a big combo draw, etc.
Poker can be very strange. I lost to a 2 outers on the river. Can't explain luck and bad players...
Both are easily explained
Sure you can.... it's POKER + VARIANCE
Gotta find a way to break down a single hand in less than 19 minutes. Great commentary, but I just gave away 2% of my entire waking day on one Bart Hanson hand. Like Teddy KGB said..." I feel so unsatisfied."
The 2x button is your friend
That's actually facts
This was a sample of the podcast actually
@@CrushlivePoker Makes sense. I love your commentary on Live-stream. Need to divorce my wife so I'll have more time to listen to UA-cam and podcasts. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
complaining about free high quality content? weird
These are too long bud I get it you want ad revenue after a cooler but damn😭
this could be a call in hand
There was 1 2 dead, there was also 1 3 dead crazy
Oof Felix how can u call
Damn good thing you ran it twice.
Someone else folded a 3, 2 outs
He had the SKinny…23
Been there man, but for 50x less money lol. Embrace the variance.
This is what makes me laugh, you put up all these videos explaining these concepts religiously, and you don’t do any of them because it doesn’t make sense to. It’s almost like poker influencers are trying to keep the game fishy by putting misinformation out there.
You are the man Bart!!!!
I grew a long white beard watching this video.
Thats why poker is gambling not game of skill
Bart's hand was shaking when he shoved all in and tried to stacked the chips, he was shaking so bad. I'd say this is probably Bart's biggest pot. Haven't seen any this size before for him.
Let's go, Let's gamble!!!!
Better run it 4 times ;)
anytwotommy had 5-3 so a 2 and a 3 was dead. he hit a 2 outer 🤦🏻♂️😂
This is why I hate poker. What's the point?
Over analysis. Low skilled players never think ppl can flop a flush, just don’t want a badBeat from 1 ❤hands 😂. Gets rivered by 2 pair. Happens to me all the time
Poker, will make sing or crawl under the table!!!
What about the dude not 4 betting from the straddle??? Should eliminate the 32s from coming in to begin with
Ace Rag plays out as the rag it is🤷🏼♂️
Picking nits here but it's 19 cards because you already have the 5h so there isn't three cards that can pair the 5, just two. I'll let you slide just once though 😉
He said all that before the turn came out…?
Friggin cards, the grossist run out, ugh!
If the guy plays it as a check he most likely gets to the river and scoops. But bc he has to donk lead multiple streets he only chops.
Video is way too long
How bad is this Felix guy? Opens 23s UTG and defends to 3 bet? Whale whale whale.
Maybe he's just having fun, while you play your 0.1/0.2 game perfectly.
@@lew115 what is fun about playing extremely poor preflop? Don’t forget he played bottom two pair on a monotone board like he had the nuts, got it in as a 11.5-1 underdog, and somehow split the pot. The guy should just quit poker he’s awful.
@@mrx7181 If he was against AhAx, you'd say he was a genius. Inb4, AA was impossible. Dweeb. Always funny listening to you losers criticise far more successful people than yourselves.
Gross river🤢
Too much talking 👎