Josh, there’s meaning to the term “Snake River”. It’s one of the largest, most powerful rivers in the West and it flows through several states in the Pacific Northwest. We fish it, raft it, marvel at it. Also, it helps power our homes. For the markets your western stores serve, it has a positive vibe
Ty for this - I know snake river is an amazing destination. The name feels awkward for an rv. Sounds Indiana Jonsey BUT this series primarily sent out west where the name likely makes the most sense
Thanks Josh! Nice unit but no Solar no deal - manufacturers' need to step it up in that area. Also any unit with less than 55 gal freshwater is not useful for travel boondocking. Nice colors, good windows, like the shower/bathroom, true queen bed and nice storage though struts are essential! Ventless floor would be better but the placement is workable. Thanks Josh - another nice unit!!! Thanks for all your hard work presenting these to us!
I actually don’t mind the lack of a bedroom wall the curtain is just fine makes it seem more open, Road mode is excellent… The only thing I cannot understand is how anyone is putting out a camper these days without a solar package. It seems that solar is going to be the way to go for everything so why you wouldn’t solar prep it or put at least a minimal solar package is beyond me. That’s a dealbreaker in my book!
I like the open under bed storage. Would probably put some storage containers under there which could be slide out and accessed even if someone else is still in bed.
I would close off the under the bed area. We love our 22MLS, this is very similar, but the televator, is very neat, but it does shoot the dinette over into the walking area. The bathroom is way tighter, not sure I want to "sqeeze in" there....
I like the “unfinished” look. Not a bad layout, the open space under the bed, perfect for a pet bed. The kitchen is great, bathroom is a little too tight for me. Thanks for showing this one.
This is the first disappointing Alliance that I have seen. I thought they were a step up from North Trail, but this one is very plain with no theater seating and it has the same plastic toilet, 4 inch fart fan and NO ladder☹️☹️☹️
Well sir it may please you to realize this is it in fact an Alliance but a Heartland Perhaps looking at it thru that different lens may help it make a little more sense to you
@@JoshtheRVNerd I guess if I had known before the video that it was a Heartland sister product to North Trail I would have had much lower expectations👍
@@JoshtheRVNerd I rewatched the video and still have no idea how I confused Sundance with Alliance, but all I can say is THANK YOU JESUS, because my faith in Alliance has been restored👍
These do have an unfinished look, and border on “cheap” in person, but I still like this basic floor plan, and it is lightweight. One thing that’s odd with the overhead doors is that they don’t just have it swing open sideways if they wanted to save money by leaving out struts.
7:18 not at all #awful as I prefer natural daylight until it’s dark outside & artificial light is necessary to see 👀 ☀️ 💡 I’d like it if your tours did a lighting pass; only daylight with no shades drawn, then drawn shades cycling through lights from accent light to all on 🙏🏽
*DANGER! DANGER! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!* I foresee quite a few people spilling drinks on the "counter" where that televator is located, permanently damaging the TV. Especially when Uncle Bob comes over to watch the game loaded with a few wobbly-pops. *DOH!* >^.^
The open spot under the bed is great for shoving duffle bags full of cash I mean clothes during those weekend getaways. If you wanted fixed storage you can get rubbermaids
Hi Josh, another great video. I got very excited at first seeing that this was a 23 foot box vs the 22 in the Imagine and Cougar (with a similar floor plan), until I saw that STUPID (raise/lower) TV set up. That is nothing but a useless gimmick (just another thing to go wrong). Also needing two TV's so you can see one from bed is two thumbs down. The coach could have benefited by that extra width in the dinette area. Also the under bed storage set up SUCKS. I want the Cougar (15" wheels and King bed), but I will probably end up with the Imagine (14" wheels and Queen bed) as the Imagine has a much better price (Imagine is like a $10K or more, lower price). Also If I remember the kitchen top cabinets are better (there are center shelves) in the Imagine. Also the cougar has the double sink so you cant fit anything in the sink, The Imagine has a single bowl sink. I also want the shoe garage, so the Sundance will get a pass.
At first glance I quite like it. Nice decor, layout. But, I'd need the fridge door and the cupboard doors beside the stove to open from the other side. I prefer theatre seating, but if the sofa bed had cupholders in the arms I could manage. I like the televator in this instance, allows for a larger tv than if it was on the wall. The open space under the bed is not to my liking, I'd prefer the usual lift access. If I wanted to make it a pet space a door could easily be cut out, but the lift would still allow for easy cleaning. I like that the top board on the dinette back rests are finished wood, and not wrapped in vinyl with the buttons, usually poorly done. I like your idea of a shoe garage. It could be about 6" high then there could still be shallow storage under the dinette seat. Lots of potential here. ✌️🇨🇦
Fridge doors can easily flip btw. I think it’s possible for us to also flip the cabinet doors though you will see where the hinges were originally from the screw holes
Greetings Josh This VR IS SUPER!! And then they tought of giving the option to put the TV on the wall. Open plan concept with à light coloured interior, and a generous fenestration. Excellent counter surface for cooking, and plenty of storage.👍 For me it's sold. See you next Josh.
No...it would work for right handers...when on the pot...well...at least for me,I lean to the left.Even as a far guy I need plenty lean to the left room!And this coach gives extra room to the left...or so it appears.
👍👍Josh when we watched the Artic Fox video, I saw those Sundance’s thru the window, now you’re showing one. Like the wood like flooring. It’s not as foxy as the Artic Fox, but it’s possible that a couple could have fun Sundancing in this one before the Sun gets to hot.😂😂,keep’m coming
Almost like this one, bathroom too small and needs recliners. Looking for one to replace our 2005 Dutchman Lite that we consider almost perfect. Has a sofa/bed, and we want recliners instead. We will keep looking. We watch all your videos 😊
That is the exact trailer we shopped along with this one, the Cougar was WAY more expensive. Cougar had a pocket door for bathroom, drawers under dinette, and angled kitchen sink, among a few differences.
NOTES: I like this trailer. I could pull it with my Ranger as long as I didn't put the full 2400LBS of cargo in it. I'm not sure I even HAVE 2,000LBS of stuff I'd want to schlep around. I noticed all the shades. But not one in the door. I 100% agree with you that they should just put the shade in the door. I personally would prefer the King bed. On the dinette--manufacturers should replace the door handles, which are going to catch on things and potentially hurt people or damage the doors, with the push-spring latches, where you push on the door a bit and it pops open. Cleaner look, and far less of a catching hazard. I live in the west, but I'd prefer the 12VDC fridge to the gas/120 which I can't use while towing the unit. IS THERE A 3-WAY OPTION AND IF THERE IS WHY DON'T WE EVER SEE THAT??? They went to the trouble of putting a back splash of some kind behind the stove. They should have wrapped it around that side wall that's directly against the stove as well. The bathroom is... disappointing, like they put all sorts of cool stuff in the camper (pop-up TV) and then realized right before they started building that "oh, crap, we need a bathroom, too!" I would prefer they got rid of the hard mounted outdoor speakers and tossed in a portable rechargeable Bluetooth speaker. I won't use the hard-mounted ones, and sooner or later that's two seals penetrations in the wall that will start leaking. I didn't hear anything about solar or solar prep. That's a deal breaker for me. But overall, it's a nice trailer.
full travel access, nice tv setup, would for sure put another on that wall, after considering slide types, can you sit in the couch with slide closed to watch tv? i would imagine so since it has stove and fridge full of food in it already. this one great too
I really can’t say which rvs do or don’t have sitting closed slides. No mfg tests. You have to understand as an owner you need to apply common sense and realize it’s an “at your own risk” kind of thing
@@carolynschafer5252 ... after learning a bit more about slides in general since this last comment i made, i have come to the conclusion... mostly from josh and others covering topic, we know in a motorhome, if you can fit in it, you can ride/sit/lay in it, slide open or closed for the most part, would even be possible to seatbelt your ass in to bed like a prisoner with drop down dinette bed or couch.... rv may crash and roll but you wont get flung all over, be hanging from bed upside down when cops come.... talk about rude awakening..... in pretty much every trailer and every slide (to be safe) i would assume the complete opposite... definitely, do NOT sit lay or ride in any slide at all, nor even just take a few steps thru it if can avoid it while closed.... especially as a visitor not the owner, from that point you can do the research and possible testing required to find out if THAT particular slide, in that particular unit will be... worth the risk of using.... and the one thing noone that i have learned more about these from has mentioned this one factor that i think is probably a main factor.. after considering this particular trailer and slide..... ok yes it can handle another 300 or so lbs probably, weight of 2 people, since it has fridge pantry and all in it, food and such is kinda heavy.... so the weight would not be what would break the slide if you were sitting on couch with it closed..... it would be all the movement involved.... getting up, plopping down, shifting around especially while sleeping.... 300 more lbs of dead weight just sitting there no problem, 300 lbs. of weight basically sloshing around in the slide like a pool of water... down up left right forward back... if you ever slept in a water bed, you know if you move to readjust , waves of energy ripple back and forth across the mattress for 30 seconds sometimes.... that is what you are doing to the slide mechanisms and such when you occupy it.... that is what breaks them... not simply the fact you are in it... for the most part. i am sure there are slides, such as dinette OR... not and.... couch only, nothing else much in there to add weight slides, 2 people just getting in it would add a huge amount of weight maybe double or even triple the weight it was designed to hold closed, it very well might break just by stepping foot in it, unlike on this trailer, this slide already built to have near 1000 lbs in it, fridge alone probably 100 pounds or so, then add a camping food load, lots of meats and canned or bottled drinks, all up in that slide, simply adding another 200 lbs for a couple hours once in awhile probably not effect it much... but if you were shaking around plopping down and getting up constantly, yep could see a problem develop. and yes knowing exactly what kind of slide mechanism to begin with, without even knowing anything else about it, will give you a pretty good idea if even possible or not to use it closed. some trailers but overrated slide systems on a slide that really does not need it, and turn around and put a weak ass mechanism on the biggest slide they can find.... if your slide is on i beams as example, you could probably dance in it... other systems you may not even want the dog in it closed lol. and all of them, all slides on trailers and rv both, have potential to trap, allow to escape, or kill any pets you may have..... something else never mentioned anywhere.... get up on drive day, close slides... few hours later... hmm i have not seen the cat yet this morning..... (normally not a shocker nor a problem at home) the more slides i have seen in motorhomes, the more possibilities i spot, use your imagination when looking at them, cracks and crevices..... that open and close, come together, expose outside access of various sizes until sealed the other way... dont let a ferret loose in one of these with slides, it WILL find everyone of these holes, and knowing rv construction, you not going anywhere until it chooses to come out on its own, might be 4 days later, or while you asleep, come out and go back in. etc. cats too if can fit. some dogs as well will do that.... basically could be any animal, only way to prevent it is to make sure they either can not fit, or can never find it in the first place which means on leash or crate / cage as case may be... not to say all cats and dogs will go in there, know about it or not... some like to lay under beds, some always on top of bed... some do both. the ones that like to sleep under beds and cubby holes are the ones that can and will easily find their way in to a slide mech and structure without you knowing... or others never be least bit interested, rather be on couch or near window etc. follow a mouse or something would be only other reason they would think of it, so in that case, may never even cross your mind could be in there... at least with the known hole lovers you will finally think of it and check. ferrets.... learn a lot about holes and hiding places with them. but any smaller animal with love to explore new things and places.... no matter, kitten puppy small cat even large cat, tiny dogs.... if they can fit, one day they will take a look, if not decide it to be their new den/sleeping/chilling spot, like they use often when you not home.... afterthought, also some builds of both engine or no engine, many other types of holes and access points, many totally on purpose, pass thru cabinets that open to both inside and outside kitchen for one, or plumbing routes under sinks, some of those in counter trash holders...that could allow for things to happen such as, where is the cat? ... discover in underneath outside storage, in the wet bay, in the outside kitchen sink, or stuck behind it even, not to mention the most common, trapped in under bed storage, wanting out after you are asleep. lol.
Dumb Dumb, Dumb tv location and NOOOO ladder. Com'on people wake up. I prefer the 22MLS and the 22MLE if only someome would have this floor plan with twin beds.
One of my daughters likes snakes. Snake River says major outdoors to me. It is the biggest tributary of the Columbia River, flowing mostly through Idaho. It says mountains and water falls, conifer forests and whitewater rapids to me.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Also, I was thinking about, Snake River sounds much more bad (rear-end terminology) than some of the rivers we have here. Racoon River sounds more like a nuisance than an adventure, and Skunk River sounds like an adventure gone wrong!
Not a bad layout but there are several negatives with this unit. I do like the TV, I hate the neck wreckers on the top of the wall. Needs a table and chairs rather than the booth, i would also like a theater seat rather than the small couch. No fan for ventilation, no solar, no generator. I do like the power stablizers. Bath needs to be expanded, we all need a little more room. I do like the open area under the bed, makes it easy to put tub storage under the bed and remove it when needed rather than lifting the bed and storing items that may never see the light of day again. I know it is short but spread those axils out a bit. Look is not bad and it has some promise but needs some refining to be a better option.
Compare to the GD 22MLE, it looks like you can walk around the bed. I know in our GD 22MLE, it is hard to make the bed. I also like the windows on the slide. But, I do not like the carpet on the slide. I also don't like open side under the bed, I prefer the storage under it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I don't know. I would have to be inside the Sundance. My don't like the placement of the TV, I think it blocks the window. And I don't care for the open area under the bed, so would still go with the GD 22MLE.
It’s not carpet in this; it’s flexible flooring that sweeps easily. You can walk around, but making the bed is still difficult. Open storage is great so you don’t have to tell anyone to get off the bed to get your things out. 😃
The RV hill I've chosen to die on is no dinettes in a purely couples camper. I'd remove it completely and add a combo washer and dog feeding station there. Also should be theatre seats. Otherwise this is a really nice unit
I got the one for you here m.ua-cam.com/video/D1iyAjT9mp8/v-deo.html Or this one m.ua-cam.com/video/Ga9z4yQzTxU/v-deo.html with a table and chairs (you could remove as desired)
No dinettes makes me sad…no place to play card games as a couple.😢And you can’t snuggle with theatre seats; there are always cup holders in the center.
@@carolynschafer5252 look at the theatre seats that rockwood uses. They've got the fold up/down center console to allow for snuggling. With the dog obviously. The old lady wants my dirty boy smell away from her when shes watching tv
You're awesome & funny! I love your jokes & how you bring music titles & lyrics into RV talk, very relatable to me, thanks for your very hard work! Very much appreciated!!- Jen in MN
Josh this layout is almost identical to our Keystone Passport 229RKWE! Our Keystone has more storage space inside but I gotta say Sundance killed it on the location of the Winegard! We bought the unit for our trailer and we can’t even install it because of the slide! We contacted Keystone but they told us to contact the dealer who basically told us they would have to see if they could relocate the unit on the roof. WHY would Keystone design the trailer and not consider the location of the Winegard to be in a spot where the slide would hit it?! Ugh! Otherwise loved the “televator” on this Sundance ! Love watching your videos! Keep rockin! 🤘
I like the cougar 22 MLS for a couple reasons but the most important reason is the fridge doors needs to open from the other side. That's where the counter space is. IMHO!
My Flagstaff vlite has coax plugs behind the TV. One runs to the bedroom for a second TV and the other runs to an outside port so you can hookup external cable or satellite.
Great review Nerd! It’s too small for my taste, but the thing I love about RV’s is that there is something for everybody. The bathroom is really tight, but I think it’s doable. I like the rack and pinion slide and the lack of floor registers. I really like the pieces of trim on the sides of the slide that help the seal flip out. Where can I get those? Thanks for the review. Looking forward to the next one!
Generally speaking I like this camper and it's layout. I think the kitchen has great space and storage. Where I think they fall short is on storage for clothes in the bedroom area. I think you would like to have to get very creative with bins and utilizing the overhead cabinets above the bed and perhaps with some totes slid under the bed in open space. I don't really have a strong feeling one way or the other regarding the underbed space. I think if you were getting access to what is under the bed frequently just being able to pull out a tote would be easier than lifting up the mattress. I think this trailer wins for thinnest mattress I've seen in a camper. Maybe considering many people do replace their mattress they're not really making a whole lot of effort to put anything even marginally decent in there but it's really thin. I like the televator for the TV but you made an excellent point about the fact that then you can't see TV from bed. Of course you can always use your phone or tablet to watch something in bed or as you said you could put a swing arm up at the edge of the dinette and put another TV in but it just kind of seems redundant to have two TVs in the same area. I would definitely prefer theater seats to the sofa and not being someone who would travel with anyone else I would be fine with that. I really appreciate the true residential queen bed and I like the finish on the cabinets. I would probably change the wooden area above the bed to something a little more feminine or at least less rustic. You are right and that the bathroom is extremely tight. I do appreciate the fact that it does give you a little bit of extra counter space but I would have rather have them make the camper a foot longer or even a half a foot longer to give a little bit more room in the bathroom. Overall it's a nice camper. I wasn't familiar with this brand so it was nice to see something from this manufacturer.
I've always wondered why if ill eagles are such a problem why not just take them to the vet? Nobody wants to see birds suffer. Btw, with a long enough spatula you could cook and do your business at the same time! Nice.
I still haven't found anything I like more than the Alpha Wolf 26rl. That massive rear living area with all of the windows, along with the counter space in the kitchen is money. And don't forget about the size of the holding tanks. If I ever upgrade my little Jayco 195rb, it will be for a 26rl.
Hi Daniel! I am not able to answer this question without knowing more about your truck and what you’re seeking to accomplish Very few half ton pickups are actually well suited for hauling a fifth wheel so there’s certain info we really need to know Alternatively you may consider just having it delivered if you don’t plan to tow it Our team at www.bishs.com/contact-us can assist you with all that!!
What is your recommendation for a couple who will be first time RV’ers?Looking for a 1/2 ton towable toy hauler. Probably will go pre-owned for our first unit. We are brand new at this and I don’t want to buy to much for our first one.
Apologies rec you are such a massive number of trailers out there and so many options that without having an opportunity to really get to know you I can’t even begin to offer a personal I suggestion. That being said idly my biggest recommendation for a first time RV here is a used RV. The budget makes them more accessible and it helps you learn what you don’t know so you can find one that you will like for the longest time
We saw zero major differences with the Cougar, except price. We liked tv in Cougar better, as it gave our family of 4 a larger dinette, and we don’t watch tv…we are camping and ourptdoors.
It’s actually really good storage!! We have a huge tote with beach towels, 2 duffel bags, and shoes under there, and we never have to ask anyone to get off the bed to get to it. Why do people prefer the lift up kind?????
The "Sundance" name has since been retired and is now transitioning over into Corterra. So perhaps once they get back around to releasing this layout There are SO MANY builders now making this layout btw -- which I love. It gives you more options and allows you to be more selective. Here's a few I've been able to record: ► Cougar 22MLS ua-cam.com/video/7u3KRG7w_HU/v-deo.html ► Imagine 22MLE ua-cam.com/video/dg6JSMFKaBw/v-deo.html ► Ember 22MLQ ua-cam.com/video/w0EKi0dshmU/v-deo.html ► Jay Flight 225MLS ua-cam.com/video/sgXqYK2puCU/v-deo.html ► Transcend 200MK ua-cam.com/video/JNzYsaeosvw/v-deo.html ► Surveyor 203RKLE ua-cam.com/video/Q-Wi2pxZItk/v-deo.html
Thanks Josh! I have actually already seen your reviews of each of these manufacturers/models. The Sundance kind of stands out for me though because of the exterior construction. You reviewed the 2022 model and the 2023 model just added some Solar options that I saw. The 2024 model is starting to show up on different dealers websites now, though. The only discernible change that I see from pics is a lift cushion dinette that flips open and a telescoping ladder prep.
Loved this trailer when I saw it in person, but I went with the nearly identical grand design 22mle strictly because I got it $5k cheaper. If price was the same, I would have went with this one.... Great unit
@@JoshtheRVNerd well, it was probably because of the dealership I found the Sundance at...I won't mention (direct competitor to you). I'll say this, your video rocked on this.... It showed a few things I didn't consider that made me feel better about my choice.
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
Josh, there’s meaning to the term “Snake River”. It’s one of the largest, most powerful rivers in the West and it flows through several states in the Pacific Northwest. We fish it, raft it, marvel at it. Also, it helps power our homes. For the markets your western stores serve, it has a positive vibe
Ty for this - I know snake river is an amazing destination. The name feels awkward for an rv. Sounds Indiana Jonsey BUT this series primarily sent out west where the name likely makes the most sense
Evel Knievels failed Snake River jump in rocket in the 70s comes immediately to mind..
Thanks Josh! Nice unit but no Solar no deal - manufacturers' need to step it up in that area. Also any unit with less than 55 gal freshwater is not useful for travel boondocking. Nice colors, good windows, like the shower/bathroom, true queen bed and nice storage though struts are essential! Ventless floor would be better but the placement is workable. Thanks Josh - another nice unit!!! Thanks for all your hard work presenting these to us!
Yeah this mostly struck me as a park camper in this setup
I actually don’t mind the lack of a bedroom wall the curtain is just fine makes it seem more open, Road mode is excellent… The only thing I cannot understand is how anyone is putting out a camper these days without a solar package. It seems that solar is going to be the way to go for everything so why you wouldn’t solar prep it or put at least a minimal solar package is beyond me. That’s a dealbreaker in my book!
It does feel like a bit of an oversight for sure
We love the bed open to the rest…. More room to lounge and visit.
I like the open under bed storage. Would probably put some storage containers under there which could be slide out and accessed even if someone else is still in bed.
I think I would prefer it enclosed but I also like seeing things done differently
@@JoshtheRVNerd We have this trailer and love to easily pull out duffels and laundry.
Would be very friendly for our lg dogs as they like sleeping under furniture.
I would close off the under the bed area. We love our 22MLS, this is very similar, but the televator, is very neat, but it does shoot the dinette over into the walking area. The bathroom is way tighter, not sure I want to "sqeeze in" there....
Ty for mentioning the bed. The open sides struck me as.. odd..
I like the “unfinished” look. Not a bad layout, the open space under the bed, perfect for a pet bed. The kitchen is great, bathroom is a little too tight for me. Thanks for showing this one.
The bathroom is tight, wonder if they could have put the all at an angle to allow for a little more room. But overall it's a great layout.
Struts are REALLY easy to add to those cabinets. I did it to my Coleman 2515RL and it made life a lot easier with those cabinets.
Ty John! That’s the easy screwdriver work I mention now and then
Theatre seats for me
That’s be my call as well I think. Ty Roger
This is the first disappointing Alliance that I have seen. I thought they were a step up from North Trail, but this one is very plain with no theater seating and it has the same plastic toilet, 4 inch fart fan and NO ladder☹️☹️☹️
Well sir it may please you to realize this is it in fact an Alliance but a Heartland
Perhaps looking at it thru that different lens may help it make a little more sense to you
@@JoshtheRVNerd I guess if I had known before the video that it was a Heartland sister product to North Trail I would have had much lower expectations👍
@@JoshtheRVNerd I rewatched the video and still have no idea how I confused Sundance with Alliance, but all I can say is THANK YOU JESUS, because my faith in Alliance has been restored👍
Nice TT. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍
Yeeeees! This is my favorite model! Basic, rustic, longer, taller, lighter weight, and lighter in price.
Well... I freaking love it! It reminds me of a souped up pop up in its simplicity. Really like it a lot for being a bit of a plain Jane. 🔥👏👏👏
These do have an unfinished look, and border on “cheap” in person, but I still like this basic floor plan, and it is lightweight. One thing that’s odd with the overhead doors is that they don’t just have it swing open sideways if they wanted to save money by leaving out struts.
I get what you’re saying on the look. I haven’t compared price points but would estimate these would run less than something like an imagine
7:18 not at all #awful as I prefer natural daylight until it’s dark outside & artificial light is necessary to see 👀 ☀️ 💡
I’d like it if your tours did a lighting pass; only daylight with no shades drawn, then drawn shades cycling through lights from accent light to all on 🙏🏽
*DANGER! DANGER! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!*
I foresee quite a few people spilling drinks on the "counter" where that televator is located, permanently damaging the TV. Especially when Uncle Bob comes over to watch the game loaded with a few wobbly-pops.
*DOH!* >^.^
It's not impossible
Yep! We don’t allow anything there and would love to get rid of it for more butt space!
The open spot under the bed is great for shoving duffle bags full of cash I mean clothes during those weekend getaways.
If you wanted fixed storage you can get rubbermaids
Hahaha
I love the entertainment set up!
I thought it was really slick with that televator
If your gonna film a trailer atlest clean the window of bird poo!!!!
Hi Josh, another great video. I got very excited at first seeing that this was a 23 foot box vs the 22 in the Imagine and Cougar (with a similar floor plan), until I saw that STUPID (raise/lower) TV set up. That is nothing but a useless gimmick (just another thing to go wrong). Also needing two TV's so you can see one from bed is two thumbs down. The coach could have benefited by that extra width in the dinette area. Also the under bed storage set up SUCKS. I want the Cougar (15" wheels and King bed), but I will probably end up with the Imagine (14" wheels and Queen bed) as the Imagine has a much better price (Imagine is like a $10K or more, lower price). Also If I remember the kitchen top cabinets are better (there are center shelves) in the Imagine. Also the cougar has the double sink so you cant fit anything in the sink, The Imagine has a single bowl sink. I also want the shoe garage, so the Sundance will get a pass.
Hey.. fair enough. TY for tuning in and sharing how you feel!
At first glance I quite like it. Nice decor, layout.
But, I'd need the fridge door and the cupboard doors beside the stove to open from the other side.
I prefer theatre seating, but if the sofa bed had cupholders in the arms I could manage.
I like the televator in this instance, allows for a larger tv than if it was on the wall.
The open space under the bed is not to my liking, I'd prefer the usual lift access. If I wanted to make it a pet space a door could easily be cut out, but the lift would still allow for easy cleaning.
I like that the top board on the dinette back rests are finished wood, and not wrapped in vinyl with the buttons, usually poorly done.
I like your idea of a shoe garage. It could be about 6" high then there could still be shallow storage under the dinette seat.
Lots of potential here. ✌️🇨🇦
Fridge doors can easily flip btw. I think it’s possible for us to also flip the cabinet doors though you will see where the hinges were originally from the screw holes
A couple of storage bins would fit under the bed , keep items in check , yet easily removed . Not a deal breaker in my opinion .
I could totally see that. Ty Michael
Yep, we do that, then they are like drawers, and you don’t have to kick anyone off the bed to get to the stuff!
Greetings Josh
This VR IS SUPER!! And then they tought of giving the option to put the TV on the wall. Open plan concept with à light coloured interior, and a generous fenestration. Excellent counter surface for cooking, and plenty of storage.👍
For me it's sold.
See you next Josh.
Ty my friend!!
9:35 I like the backsplash 👍🏽
🤨 needs a side splash 👎🏽
No...it would work for right handers...when on the pot...well...at least for me,I lean to the left.Even as a far guy I need plenty lean to the left room!And this coach gives extra room to the left...or so it appears.
Fair enough!
Josh, why don't manufacturers just have cabinet doors open horizontally if they are not going to install struts for vertical operation.
Wish I knew because I like the idea
Nice camper but I still like m y Passport 229rk s better. Keystone works better for our needs. Keep up the great work.
Another great entry into the fray!
Josh: I called the Utah office and received great service,, though i am not ready to buy one but he let me know what I needed Shout out
To Utah
Ty for sharing this Jennifer!!
Mind dropping our team there a quick google review at g.page/r/CUU2SzxfYH8uEAg/review in return for the service??
We looked at this trailer. Not impressed . Not the same quality as the Keystones, or Grand Designs.
Real talk: I would concur with that
👍👍Josh when we watched the Artic Fox video, I saw those Sundance’s thru the window, now you’re showing one. Like the wood like flooring. It’s not as foxy as the Artic Fox, but it’s possible that a couple could have fun Sundancing in this one before the Sun gets to hot.😂😂,keep’m coming
Not as Foxy lol
Almost like this one, bathroom too small and needs recliners. Looking for one to replace our 2005 Dutchman Lite that we consider almost perfect. Has a sofa/bed, and we want recliners instead. We will keep looking. We watch all your videos 😊
I was going to offer a few links but then you said you watch everything
@@JoshtheRVNerd go ahead and suggest
@@rossanabaker when you said big bath and theater m.ua-cam.com/video/2jGXDFwNpZ0/v-deo.html
Just get footstools.
The footstools we have are lightweight cubes for added storage and make the couch like a recliner. Indeed the bathroom is small.😕
Nice little Sundance Travel Trailer 😊👍👍👍👍👍 but Josh I think you nailed on that bathroom very limited space😊👍👍👍👍👍
0:05 layout reminds me of the Cougar 22 MLS (the only RV who’s model # & alphabet soup I remember as it’s 1 of my favorite RV’s)❗️👀🧐
0:55 😉 🧐
I have something like this from Spirit coming as well
That is the exact trailer we shopped along with this one, the Cougar was WAY more expensive. Cougar had a pocket door for bathroom, drawers under dinette, and angled kitchen sink, among a few differences.
NOTES: I like this trailer. I could pull it with my Ranger as long as I didn't put the full 2400LBS of cargo in it. I'm not sure I even HAVE 2,000LBS of stuff I'd want to schlep around.
I noticed all the shades. But not one in the door. I 100% agree with you that they should just put the shade in the door.
I personally would prefer the King bed.
On the dinette--manufacturers should replace the door handles, which are going to catch on things and potentially hurt people or damage the doors, with the push-spring latches, where you push on the door a bit and it pops open. Cleaner look, and far less of a catching hazard.
I live in the west, but I'd prefer the 12VDC fridge to the gas/120 which I can't use while towing the unit. IS THERE A 3-WAY OPTION AND IF THERE IS WHY DON'T WE EVER SEE THAT???
They went to the trouble of putting a back splash of some kind behind the stove. They should have wrapped it around that side wall that's directly against the stove as well.
The bathroom is... disappointing, like they put all sorts of cool stuff in the camper (pop-up TV) and then realized right before they started building that "oh, crap, we need a bathroom, too!"
I would prefer they got rid of the hard mounted outdoor speakers and tossed in a portable rechargeable Bluetooth speaker. I won't use the hard-mounted ones, and sooner or later that's two seals penetrations in the wall that will start leaking.
I didn't hear anything about solar or solar prep. That's a deal breaker for me. But overall, it's a nice trailer.
No 3-way fridges from most factories save for some specialized stuff
Agree on the door shades!!! It has a solar “port” on the slide side near the back.
Really like this one.
I would go with Theater Seating instead of the sleeper sofa.
That would likely be my preference as well but sometimes some folks really like that guest sleeper
full travel access, nice tv setup, would for sure put another on that wall, after considering slide types, can you sit in the couch with slide closed to watch tv? i would imagine so since it has stove and fridge full of food in it already. this one great too
I really can’t say which rvs do or don’t have sitting closed slides. No mfg tests. You have to understand as an owner you need to apply common sense and realize it’s an “at your own risk” kind of thing
Yep!
@@carolynschafer5252 ... after learning a bit more about slides in general since this last comment i made, i have come to the conclusion... mostly from josh and others covering topic, we know in a motorhome, if you can fit in it, you can ride/sit/lay in it, slide open or closed for the most part, would even be possible to seatbelt your ass in to bed like a prisoner with drop down dinette bed or couch.... rv may crash and roll but you wont get flung all over, be hanging from bed upside down when cops come.... talk about rude awakening..... in pretty much every trailer and every slide (to be safe) i would assume the complete opposite... definitely, do NOT sit lay or ride in any slide at all, nor even just take a few steps thru it if can avoid it while closed.... especially as a visitor not the owner, from that point you can do the research and possible testing required to find out if THAT particular slide, in that particular unit will be... worth the risk of using.... and the one thing noone that i have learned more about these from has mentioned this one factor that i think is probably a main factor.. after considering this particular trailer and slide..... ok yes it can handle another 300 or so lbs probably, weight of 2 people, since it has fridge pantry and all in it, food and such is kinda heavy.... so the weight would not be what would break the slide if you were sitting on couch with it closed..... it would be all the movement involved.... getting up, plopping down, shifting around especially while sleeping.... 300 more lbs of dead weight just sitting there no problem, 300 lbs. of weight basically sloshing around in the slide like a pool of water... down up left right forward back... if you ever slept in a water bed, you know if you move to readjust , waves of energy ripple back and forth across the mattress for 30 seconds sometimes.... that is what you are doing to the slide mechanisms and such when you occupy it.... that is what breaks them... not simply the fact you are in it... for the most part. i am sure there are slides, such as dinette OR... not and.... couch only, nothing else much in there to add weight slides, 2 people just getting in it would add a huge amount of weight maybe double or even triple the weight it was designed to hold closed, it very well might break just by stepping foot in it, unlike on this trailer, this slide already built to have near 1000 lbs in it, fridge alone probably 100 pounds or so, then add a camping food load, lots of meats and canned or bottled drinks, all up in that slide, simply adding another 200 lbs for a couple hours once in awhile probably not effect it much... but if you were shaking around plopping down and getting up constantly, yep could see a problem develop. and yes knowing exactly what kind of slide mechanism to begin with, without even knowing anything else about it, will give you a pretty good idea if even possible or not to use it closed. some trailers but overrated slide systems on a slide that really does not need it, and turn around and put a weak ass mechanism on the biggest slide they can find.... if your slide is on i beams as example, you could probably dance in it... other systems you may not even want the dog in it closed lol. and all of them, all slides on trailers and rv both, have potential to trap, allow to escape, or kill any pets you may have..... something else never mentioned anywhere.... get up on drive day, close slides... few hours later... hmm i have not seen the cat yet this morning..... (normally not a shocker nor a problem at home) the more slides i have seen in motorhomes, the more possibilities i spot, use your imagination when looking at them, cracks and crevices..... that open and close, come together, expose outside access of various sizes until sealed the other way... dont let a ferret loose in one of these with slides, it WILL find everyone of these holes, and knowing rv construction, you not going anywhere until it chooses to come out on its own, might be 4 days later, or while you asleep, come out and go back in. etc. cats too if can fit. some dogs as well will do that.... basically could be any animal, only way to prevent it is to make sure they either can not fit, or can never find it in the first place which means on leash or crate / cage as case may be... not to say all cats and dogs will go in there, know about it or not... some like to lay under beds, some always on top of bed... some do both. the ones that like to sleep under beds and cubby holes are the ones that can and will easily find their way in to a slide mech and structure without you knowing... or others never be least bit interested, rather be on couch or near window etc. follow a mouse or something would be only other reason they would think of it, so in that case, may never even cross your mind could be in there... at least with the known hole lovers you will finally think of it and check. ferrets.... learn a lot about holes and hiding places with them. but any smaller animal with love to explore new things and places.... no matter, kitten puppy small cat even large cat, tiny dogs.... if they can fit, one day they will take a look, if not decide it to be their new den/sleeping/chilling spot, like they use often when you not home.... afterthought, also some builds of both engine or no engine, many other types of holes and access points, many totally on purpose, pass thru cabinets that open to both inside and outside kitchen for one, or plumbing routes under sinks, some of those in counter trash holders...that could allow for things to happen such as, where is the cat? ... discover in underneath outside storage, in the wet bay, in the outside kitchen sink, or stuck behind it even, not to mention the most common, trapped in under bed storage, wanting out after you are asleep. lol.
Love where the TV is!!
Dumb Dumb, Dumb tv location and NOOOO ladder. Com'on people wake up. I prefer the 22MLS and the 22MLE if only someome would have this floor plan with twin beds.
One of my daughters likes snakes. Snake River says major outdoors to me. It is the biggest tributary of the Columbia River, flowing mostly through Idaho. It says mountains and water falls, conifer forests and whitewater rapids to me.
Ty for this. Perspective helps
@@JoshtheRVNerd Also, I was thinking about, Snake River sounds much more bad (rear-end terminology) than some of the rivers we have here. Racoon River sounds more like a nuisance than an adventure, and Skunk River sounds like an adventure gone wrong!
@@adamkemner8137 hahahaha
Not a bad layout but there are several negatives with this unit. I do like the TV, I hate the neck wreckers on the top of the wall. Needs a table and chairs rather than the booth, i would also like a theater seat rather than the small couch. No fan for ventilation, no solar, no generator. I do like the power stablizers. Bath needs to be expanded, we all need a little more room. I do like the open area under the bed, makes it easy to put tub storage under the bed and remove it when needed rather than lifting the bed and storing items that may never see the light of day again. I know it is short but spread those axils out a bit. Look is not bad and it has some promise but needs some refining to be a better option.
Thx Mike. Appreciate the time you spent writing this!
Ours has two power fans and IS solar ready.
2,409 cargo is great. The hidden TV sure seems like a huge waste of space though. Agree with the open space under the bed - not for me either.
Awesome rig
Compare to the GD 22MLE, it looks like you can walk around the bed. I know in our GD 22MLE, it is hard to make the bed. I also like the windows on the slide. But, I do not like the carpet on the slide. I also don't like open side under the bed, I prefer the storage under it.
If you could choose between either now, then which would be the winner for you??
@@JoshtheRVNerd I don't know. I would have to be inside the Sundance. My don't like the placement of the TV, I think it blocks the window. And I don't care for the open area under the bed, so would still go with the GD 22MLE.
It’s not carpet in this; it’s flexible flooring that sweeps easily. You can walk around, but making the bed is still difficult. Open storage is great so you don’t have to tell anyone to get off the bed to get your things out. 😃
Slide facia gaps ☹.
If Under bed fits a dog crate😁
Uneven Floor in front of stove 👎
Bathroom 💩👎
$45k 😳
The RV hill I've chosen to die on is no dinettes in a purely couples camper. I'd remove it completely and add a combo washer and dog feeding station there. Also should be theatre seats. Otherwise this is a really nice unit
I got the one for you here m.ua-cam.com/video/D1iyAjT9mp8/v-deo.html
Or this one m.ua-cam.com/video/Ga9z4yQzTxU/v-deo.html with a table and chairs (you could remove as desired)
No dinettes makes me sad…no place to play card games as a couple.😢And you can’t snuggle with theatre seats; there are always cup holders in the center.
@@carolynschafer5252 look at the theatre seats that rockwood uses. They've got the fold up/down center console to allow for snuggling. With the dog obviously. The old lady wants my dirty boy smell away from her when shes watching tv
A theater seat would be really nice since the dinette could be a makeshift guest bed. Cute rig!
As a family of 4, we love the sofa bed! Theatre seats always put cup holders in the middle making it impossible to cuddle!
Could laundry hampers slide under the bed? Is there enough room on the sides of the bed to pull the hampers out easily?
Actually.. that may be a very real possibility
Yes! We keep our things in duffels under the bed, and a hamper goes in the corner where the slide meets the bedroom.
You're awesome & funny! I love your jokes & how you bring music titles & lyrics into RV talk, very relatable to me, thanks for your very hard work! Very much appreciated!!- Jen in MN
Thx for joining me today Jen :)
Be safe out there in this crazy world
Josh this layout is almost identical to our Keystone Passport 229RKWE! Our Keystone has more storage space inside but I gotta say Sundance killed it on the location of the Winegard! We bought the unit for our trailer and we can’t even install it because of the slide! We contacted Keystone but they told us to contact the dealer who basically told us they would have to see if they could relocate the unit on the roof. WHY would Keystone design the trailer and not consider the location of the Winegard to be in a spot where the slide would hit it?! Ugh! Otherwise loved the “televator” on this Sundance ! Love watching your videos! Keep rockin! 🤘
Ty!! I think Out ask makes one as well that’s super similar
I like the cougar 22 MLS for a couple reasons but the most important reason is the fridge doors needs to open from the other side. That's where the counter space is. IMHO!
Fridge doors can always be flipped btw. They’re reversible
My Flagstaff vlite has coax plugs behind the TV. One runs to the bedroom for a second TV and the other runs to an outside port so you can hookup external cable or satellite.
I miss those V noses
Great review Nerd! It’s too small for my taste, but the thing I love about RV’s is that there is something for everybody. The bathroom is really tight, but I think it’s doable. I like the rack and pinion slide and the lack of floor registers. I really like the pieces of trim on the sides of the slide that help the seal flip out. Where can I get those? Thanks for the review. Looking forward to the next one!
They’re literally just scrap trim. Anything like a little strip of rubber or something could work
Generally speaking I like this camper and it's layout. I think the kitchen has great space and storage. Where I think they fall short is on storage for clothes in the bedroom area. I think you would like to have to get very creative with bins and utilizing the overhead cabinets above the bed and perhaps with some totes slid under the bed in open space. I don't really have a strong feeling one way or the other regarding the underbed space. I think if you were getting access to what is under the bed frequently just being able to pull out a tote would be easier than lifting up the mattress. I think this trailer wins for thinnest mattress I've seen in a camper. Maybe considering many people do replace their mattress they're not really making a whole lot of effort to put anything even marginally decent in there but it's really thin. I like the televator for the TV but you made an excellent point about the fact that then you can't see TV from bed. Of course you can always use your phone or tablet to watch something in bed or as you said you could put a swing arm up at the edge of the dinette and put another TV in but it just kind of seems redundant to have two TVs in the same area. I would definitely prefer theater seats to the sofa and not being someone who would travel with anyone else I would be fine with that. I really appreciate the true residential queen bed and I like the finish on the cabinets. I would probably change the wooden area above the bed to something a little more feminine or at least less rustic. You are right and that the bathroom is extremely tight. I do appreciate the fact that it does give you a little bit of extra counter space but I would have rather have them make the camper a foot longer or even a half a foot longer to give a little bit more room in the bathroom. Overall it's a nice camper. I wasn't familiar with this brand so it was nice to see something from this manufacturer.
I think I would probably put a few totes under the bed and call it macaroni
Nice design
Such a great layout. I like seeing the different versions of it. Televator is interesting at this
Wish my CRUISERRV 2021 MPG 2100RB would have that design. Looks roomier .
Coax = cable box. 1 goes to tv, 1 goes to outside plug(my guess).
😂 USB's that's a good one.
🇺🇸 🐝
Snake River is the major river in the West. Therefore the name.
Sundance is my favorite perfect name for a camper.
I've always wondered why if ill eagles are such a problem why not just take them to the vet? Nobody wants to see birds suffer. Btw, with a long enough spatula you could cook and do your business at the same time! Nice.
Took me a minute
Not a long one
But we’ll played 😆
I still haven't found anything I like more than the Alpha Wolf 26rl. That massive rear living area with all of the windows, along with the counter space in the kitchen is money. And don't forget about the size of the holding tanks.
If I ever upgrade my little Jayco 195rb, it will be for a 26rl.
Man you could park that 195RB SIDEWAYS inside that 26RL Alpha Wolf LOL
@@JoshtheRVNerd sadly true lol
I think the coax ports are maybe for a satellite receiver!
Great layout ,but don't like the kitchen design
What would you prefer to see??
Hi Josh, I like a full rear kitchen where the refrigerator is on the rear wall or next to it!
@@robertcampbell5355 like this? m.ua-cam.com/video/XgcwuK8fr3Q/v-deo.html
Not bad but it's just a bit "too" open for me.
Fair enough!
Funny, that’s what we LOVED!!! We added filled every seat plus 4 adults in lawn chairs on a rainy camping trip!
I'm looking for one for 1/2 truck pull 5th wheel put it on land for the house we will be building so .So what is a good one with no problems.
Hi Daniel! I am not able to answer this question without knowing more about your truck and what you’re seeking to accomplish
Very few half ton pickups are actually well suited for hauling a fifth wheel so there’s certain info we really need to know
Alternatively you may consider just having it delivered if you don’t plan to tow it
Our team at www.bishs.com/contact-us can assist you with all that!!
If your going to call it Snake River at least paint it in a Evel Knievel theme. 🤕🏍
😂
The jokes are to inaprpropiat
11:08 🇺🇸 🐝 🤦🏽♂️🙄
14:00 hopefully we have a Cool Summer instead of a Cruel Summer 😉
This week FINALLY gets warm here!
What is your recommendation for a couple who will be first time RV’ers?Looking for a 1/2 ton towable toy hauler. Probably will go pre-owned for our first unit. We are brand new at this and I don’t want to buy to much for our first one.
Apologies rec you are such a massive number of trailers out there and so many options that without having an opportunity to really get to know you I can’t even begin to offer a personal I suggestion. That being said idly my biggest recommendation for a first time RV here is a used RV. The budget makes them more accessible and it helps you learn what you don’t know so you can find one that you will like for the longest time
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you. Appreciate the honest reply.
Hoping when we decide to buy our sales person is as honest.
New favorite small trailer floor plan. Like this one better than the Cougar.
Really? Wow! What elevates it for you that way?
We saw zero major differences with the Cougar, except price. We liked tv in Cougar better, as it gave our family of 4 a larger dinette, and we don’t watch tv…we are camping and ourptdoors.
BIG miss by not using that area under the bed as storage! Should have drawers there or at least lift the bed to access additional storage.
I think I could get by with some totes down there but I also think overall I agree with you
It’s actually really good storage!! We have a huge tote with beach towels, 2 duffel bags, and shoes under there, and we never have to ask anyone to get off the bed to get to it. Why do people prefer the lift up kind?????
That right hand toilet coverage is awful unless you like to wipe standing up.
It's going to be interesting trying to do your paperwork in the bathroom that is just to small in there
That’s why I do what I do - so you can see that for yourself
Could you do a new review of this model? Wife won’t even look at one until you review it…..
The "Sundance" name has since been retired and is now transitioning over into Corterra. So perhaps once they get back around to releasing this layout
There are SO MANY builders now making this layout btw -- which I love. It gives you more options and allows you to be more selective. Here's a few I've been able to record:
► Cougar 22MLS ua-cam.com/video/7u3KRG7w_HU/v-deo.html
► Imagine 22MLE ua-cam.com/video/dg6JSMFKaBw/v-deo.html
► Ember 22MLQ ua-cam.com/video/w0EKi0dshmU/v-deo.html
► Jay Flight 225MLS ua-cam.com/video/sgXqYK2puCU/v-deo.html
► Transcend 200MK ua-cam.com/video/JNzYsaeosvw/v-deo.html
► Surveyor 203RKLE ua-cam.com/video/Q-Wi2pxZItk/v-deo.html
Thanks Josh! I have actually already seen your reviews of each of these manufacturers/models. The Sundance kind of stands out for me though because of the exterior construction. You reviewed the 2022 model and the 2023 model just added some Solar options that I saw. The 2024 model is starting to show up on different dealers websites now, though. The only discernible change that I see from pics is a lift cushion dinette that flips open and a telescoping ladder prep.
15:09 Eenie Meenie Miny Moe 🤷🏽♂️
Is there a theater seat option available for this travel trailer?
Their website doesn’t list the feature but it FEELS like something we might be able to order in it since they do use theater seating in other models..
No, but if you get two fabric 12” storage cubes from Amazon, you have extra storage and the essence of theatre seats!
Loved this trailer when I saw it in person, but I went with the nearly identical grand design 22mle strictly because I got it $5k cheaper. If price was the same, I would have went with this one.... Great unit
Man that’s surprising to me an Imagine would be less. The 22MLE is amazing
@@JoshtheRVNerd well, it was probably because of the dealership I found the Sundance at...I won't mention (direct competitor to you).
I'll say this, your video rocked on this.... It showed a few things I didn't consider that made me feel better about my choice.
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share
BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share
BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
@@michaeldean3496 I don’t mind names btw. as long as something is earned fairly it seems fine to share
BUT.. you’re not the only one to say this in the comments which has me kind of confused and almost concerned about the price point of this rv
Theater seating - don't need a sleeper sofa.
Nice trailer.
Ty Gnomie!
9:03 Theater Seat 📺 🛋
No good . That COMMODE room to small & next to kitchen . idk about that might as well make the dinette seating COMMODES . Pick up some beer
Nice layout,nice tv placement. Some wouldn't mind the open bedroom haha