FORGET "USE THE BOUNCE" . CAN'T MISS SHORT game METHOD with TOUR PRO BERRY HENSON
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Hi Berry nice chipping lesson you did. More success and happy for you. Regards from Joe Uway .Pondok Indah Jakarta Indonesia❤
Guys, this is an excellent video! Love the simplicity of these ideas... Also, looks like you are on Mars.
Heck, like to see him try this method on muddy English winter courses, different world
That takes special skill set. I normally get closer to ball and heal off the ground. Allows for less of the bottom to grab and easier to hit landing spots.
To be fair, that's challenging under any kind of 'system'....talent will dictate much on that.
@@wreckim that's why I struggle then,😂
@@chillyerbeans3756 We all do. Unless you're near scratch, everybody is running around in circles IMO....and perhaps the Plus players have it even worse...imagine being a Plus 3 and being told you're garbage when you try out on a mini-tour event...which actually happens.
Bounce doesn’t work in mud.
Great video. I think like a lot of people I went to the "bounce" methods of a lot of teachers now. When I was younger I had a deadly short game basically doing the exact thing Berry is talking about here, and I went away from it always chasing better, latest and greatest.
Fantastic explanation! Put it in play yesterday and holed one from off the green. Practiced more with it today and saw even better results.
That what we like to hear. Would love to see video of your setup and technique.
great vid!!!! He seems like a great fellar also!
Going along with this I found that getting my grip more in the palms (basically putting grip) helped me tremendously to keep my wrists quite to. Can thank Mike Malaska for that
This is the BEST video you’ve done in ages! Thank you for the info. This guy is great!
I went from a good chipper to the yips after getting a lesson to "use the bounce". I was a hinge and hold chipper before it was called that (I copied Tom Watson). The bounce technique worked fine for me on the practice green but under pressure I lean the shaft. This is a killer move and is the reason a number of pros like Jon Rahm won't use this method. Now I've struggled to go back to H&H because I tend to partially unhinge early (again under pressure but not on the practice green). I have been experimenting with the "Jason Day method". I like this method in the video better. I wasn't standing that close to the ball and this really helps getting the heel of the ground. I also like moving the ball position. JD moves his hand starting position but usually leaves the ball in the center of the feet. Great video!
Played 3 times since watching the video and used the method. never been a fan of the chip and run type shot but this works.
The Short Game Chef would like to have a word with you. 😅
💯 I came to make that comment
Love short game chef.
@@BerryHensonGolf Part 2: Thai Spinner.
The short game chef, James Ridyard are the men. Exposing the leading edge is way too difficult in some situations and for standard shots you gain nothing more.
The music is distracting FYI. But, I agree about using the leading edge, bounce has its uses but we get a variety of lies and turf conditions so even something like a higher bounce 56 and a lower bounce 60 can give you more flexibility.
Berry Henson plays a lot on the Asian Tour where he will be playing off Bermuda grass and not bent grass. ,I suspect that has influenced his chipping a lot and this technique looks more suited to Bermuda than bent grass. Bermuda grass really slows the club down which makes making predictable contact hitting behind the ball almost impossible so I can see why he chips this way, using the bounce and hitting behind the ball works better on bent grass than Bermuda. I would be very very interested on his thoughts on this. I have played golf in Thailand and chip the way he demonstrates when there as I found the bent grass technique of using the bounce and hitting before the ball just did not work well out there.
You are right on John. But this technique does work great on any grass cause it creates a level of consitancey but playing off bounce on thinner grass is much easier then Bermuda.
@@BerryHensonGolf What do you put the fad of teaching using the bounce down to and did you or do you ever chip that way when playing in Europe or on bent grass? I feel there is more safety margin using the bounce on bent grass but what you are doing does work on it but you have to have a high skill level as mishits will show up more.
good stuff. what course is this? palm springs area?
Love everyone telling a guy who has won pro golf tournaments he's wrong.
Short game chef is the man … go and watch him !!!
Ive know Parker for years. We should collab on video soon cause a lot of people would see our techniques are very similar. Maybe I don’t explain it as well as him but I totally agree with his stuff.
English golf, cold weather is a world away, but i will give it a go!
Excellent technique...exactly what I teach on my channel! Most instructors don't like to teach shaft lean but it lowers the leading edge and and helps ensure ball contact on the clubface. Thank you!
Yeah I think a lot of people don’t get in right setup position when using leading edge and use to much hands. Once you understand correct set up/weight distribution and different hand set ups you can master the short game.
Brenden - the main thing for you to check out is how well Berry keeps his arm structure. His right elbow doesnt break down on the backswing. He lets his arms hang and keeps that structure and radius of the swing. Thats how he controls his low point so well. Watch from 14.01 . See his right elbow. Then see yours.
Great point. He is using a different piston
The distance from the club head to his shoulder stays pretty much the same. When u allow the right elbow to bend it leaves you at the mercy of the club head being a slightly differnt distance from ur shoulder on each stroke. That is the true magic sauce. 🎩
A slightly softening of the elbow is fine on longer strokes but letting it break down and suck behind you is for me the number one death move I see in low point control.
This is universally and always true about vital low point control! Both leading edge and use of bounce techniques work well if one has good and precise control of the club's low point. However, one should not use bounce technique on hard pan and tight lies!
Using the leading edge with ball back contradicts what other top instructors are saying now. As others have commented, depends on conditions; turf hardness/softness, type of grass, thickness and depth of grass. I hit most chips with ball slightly ahead of center of stance and shaft perpendicular to ground. This works most of the time for me.
This is exactly what i do. I’ve just ordered A 69 degree wedge just for fun, the flop shot is my specialty.
I use this method 80% of the time but when you need some height and spin or a lob shot,
I use the bounce and more wrist release.
This just sticks the club in the mud in the uk. You have to use the bounce to ensure the edge doesn’t contact mud first. May work fine on nice carpet!
That's the old school method for a standard chip - weight on the left side, ball back, hands forward, shaft lean, use the shoulders not the wrists etc and I've been using it reasonably successfully for many years. I even use my putting grip to chip on short ones sometimes. I've tried the using the bounce method but never felt comfortable with it. Nice to know I've not been doing it completely wrong all these years!
My short game coach is Ron Dizinno. He’s 94 years old. Yes my techniques is old school but very efficient.
Brenden, you’ve tried both methods one from short game chef one from Berry. Which do you feel would be best for the amateur? Obviously I do t think there is a right or wrong answer. Just curious.
I definitely like shallow more than steep, but I also like leading with the leading edge. After talking to Dr. Rob, Neal, and some other people I think the bounce is totally overdone for what I can do for people. So in general, I like to be a shallow as the lie will allow me to be and have about 15° of shaft lean.
@@BEBETTERGOLF Thanks for the reply. I’m in the same camp. But I don’t think there is a right or wrong even though the comments seem to think so lol.
There is no best method. There is only feel, and teaching yourself a feel that works.
Agreed. But I’ve seen so many ams duff shots cause they play ball to far forward and have zero shaft lean. My anti F*** up shot requires weight forward with shaft lean so you hit ball first instead of grass. It also requires proper AOA.
Believe me it’s possible to duff it with the ball back, too. Boning it over the green, STILL fatting it can happen too … because WE SUCK.
So many techniques out there, this player feels 'shoulders', Tiger says his focus is throwing with his right hand.
The lesson was very good, the background music was unnecessary and distracting.
This technique is fine for bump and runs on slow greens. What happens when you need to get it airborne because the greens are like concrete?
Weaken left hand and get shaft lean more neutral. Open face and get heel into ball first so you will get hight and spin.
@@BerryHensonGolf ….. and under pressure $$$$ you bring the possibility of a shank into play. This is where a relatively narrow flange, low bounce, cambered sole design and hand action is key.
so then you do use the bounce@@BerryHensonGolf
hinge and hold
Is this the same method that Joseph mayo teaches as well? More about AoA and how Hovland has been chipping. It's super interesting
This is more like the wedgecraft method that I talked to Dr Rob Neal about
Mayo is quite the opposite.
@@Snowman9Kis he? I've been following his Instagram. He preaches shaft lean and steepness. He doesn't use the bounce either but making ball contact first for chips
I like this but perhaps add a 62 or 64* wedge?
Yeah, I have to try this more especially with a trackman to see what’s going on
When i do hands forward ball back i chunk the shot really frequently what am i doing wrong
Remember, if you’re gonna do that, you have to use a putting style stroke. You can’t have a lot of hinge and release.
Make sure weight is on left side and heal slightly off the ground.
Doesn’t shaft lean just essentially change the loft, making it basically a different club.
Such as using a gap wedge with a lean, creates the loft that would be a 9 or 8 iron.
Yeah. It lowers the leading edge
Hence, why not use the correct club lift and stay in the middle of your stance with ball address for swing?
@@atfinthehouse8631that’s for sure an option but if you want more control of the spin you will need more loft.
Can’t play these chips in soggy winter conditions in less than perfectly maintained golf courses.
Opened up a can of worms with this one...
Dan Grieve. No one else to learn from about short game.
Yeah I’d like to see him trying this in shitty mill hill in London
Living in a wet and soggy England, chipping using the leading edge is fraught with danger. At least for a mid-handicapper like me 😂
As a 5hcp (arccos chipping hcp) I allways performed better using bounce (after practising enough to trust it fully)... leading edge ball back still produces duffed chips for me in general... generally i dont really like short game videos where people demo shots and upfront adjust the lie three times to make it perfect 🤷♂️😉
Yeah I think it’s habit to create nice lies when we practice but reading lies and hitting shots with different lies is something I do often and I adjust the shot depending on the circumstances of the lie.
If you’re already chunking and blading it, get ready to become better at it.
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what you do best in all your videos. which is needed for the viewers benefit (that others just don't do). you summarize after the teacher explains. you push the teacher to explain what he
means when he uses a potential unfamiliar term while explain. you request clarification. which is good other the lesson is just in vain. Nice lesson
I think most golfers would be better off with the short game approach of Dan Grieve.
Further back for most means more chunks imo.
Keep weight on left side and you can’t chunk.
@@BerryHensonGolf I don’t but many do as it must be explained many hit short of the green so many chips are uphill and if weight is forward, then more chunks happen into the slope.
Interesting. This “old school” method is off trend at the moment. Reference to Parker M.. I believe promotes using the bounce.. odd
This 'cock & block' method obviously can work and is the easiest for most amateurs to use, but it's very much dependent on grass type, how tight the lie is, grain, hardpan etc..With the type of lie they play off in this video, any method will work. Sure, it takes practice but that's what practice is for.
“I feel that short game is my best part of my game” says a ton about this video. If you hit 200 finesse wedge shots EVERYDAY, surely you can get 9 out of 10 good if you try using the leading edge. Warning! Use this technique at your own risk.
Hate using the bounce, feels like you fat the shot when you hit it. I get the lowest bounce wedges, specially for bermuda grass. You don't need bounce if you hit the ball first
Unless you are just off the green I totally disagree with this gentleman. As someone who had the worst case of the short game yips, I can attest that the methods of the short game chef are far superior than what this gentleman is proposing. It’s the leading edge technique that gives people the yips because they think they have to be perfect. When you use the bounce there is a margin for error. I’d like to see this gentleman use this technique with a 15 yard pitch uphill……no way you can use this technique.
Leading edge is used mostly from just off the green. Getting shaft lean forward will help with consistency of strike.
@@BerryHensonGolf Berry, I am very appreciative of your note and I now kind of feel stupid about being aggressive with my note. I think I have emotion tied to this because I was in chipping/pitching hell for eight years. I really appreciate you responding to my note.
@@petecross22 try taking a alignment stick and have that extend up the shaft. This will help get set up position right. Maintain that angle at impact. You will be chipping great in no time.
Agree with you pete. Didn't get over yips until I stopped trying to make pure perfect contact every time and learned to use bounce.
Not great advice for a wholistic approach to chipping. Especially the risk/ball position adage. I do though like the advice for less hinge in some circumstances. This is basically a specific shot for a specific situation.
Recipe for disaster for the amateur who plays once a week and NEVER practices.
Getting ball back and shaft lean forward is best way I’ve found to get ams chipping more consistent.
@@BerryHensonGolf Yes Sir, for a Pro who has 30 years of trained hand eye body coordination for hours a day for their job, and is sober. For the weekend warrior who plays TopGolf on grass and chases the ball while downing a 12 pack and half a dozen Fireballs with their Bluetooth speakers blaring from 3 fairways over... no so much I think.
@@whenmullet2674What?!!! That’s not golf!!! 😂
@@BOBPERIO2 I could not agree with you more, but unfortunately is seems to me that is exactly what the new generation of golfers are doing.
Good grief most of us amatuers will just dig the leading edge in with this approach. Also the lie he is using to almost perfect and not "tight" in anyway. Its a must to learn out to use the bounce and adjust leading edge with your weight placement on the leading foot.
Sorry, but when I try this method I stick the leading edge into the ground way to often
Try to set up closer to the ball and get heal off the ground slightly. This will allow for cleaner strike.
And then John Daley tells us that too many amateurs plays the chip shot to far back and his advise is to move it forward. 🤷
Great video, but lose that music please. Edit - Please.
Good content but what about a different lie,I mean not a flat one🤔
I think we touched on downhill lie. Not sure if it’s in this video.
Good luck using that method when you’re playing on Bermuda grass
That’s where it works best. Takes guess work out of the lie. When I have heavy Bermuda into grain in Asia I get ball back and cut across it to get ball first. So more of out to in path.
@@BerryHensonGolf I disagree. More times than not, the leading edge can get dig in and get stuck going through the Bermuda grass and you chunk it. I saw it so many times at the Hero World Challenge in The Bahamas.
@@lawrencecirillo3233 because most guys don’t get the right AOA. If you throw bounce in into grain and don’t catch it perfect it can make you look silly quick.
I watched Tiger, Hovland and others stick the leading edge in that Bermuda. I guess they were using the wrong AOA 🙄
Tiger is a big proponent, of ball back weight forward, leading edge on the ball.
@@lawrencecirillo3233 most mistakes when using leading edge comes with setup. Either ball position/sternum relation to ball/shaft lean/or weight distribution is off. If I was to pin point one it would be weight on left side. Most people don’t get enough weight on left side and keep it there thru the backswing.
I respect anyone who plays well, around par, but I disagree. I play my best chips when I hinge and put the face right on the ball. I think it is like Dan Grieves release 1. Of course it is only good for nothing in front of you it comes out low and rolls out. I never had success with the pendulum, putting swing. But, if this works for someone great. Each of us is different.
I agree everyone has there own DNA but I have seen so many am’s get handsy with lower body movement and this creates lots of inconsistency.
No....just no.
Im sorry, but no offense to Berry. He is 100% wrong that ball back takes all the risk out of it. That particular shot brings in a ton of risk. Ball forward gives you a greater margin for error. You can skip into the ball and get a good result. I so disagree with Berry on this. I can't even watch the whole video.
It depends on a lot of factors. I got $100 bucks on him in a chip off :). Dave Pelz is the guy that made what he’s doing famous. He’s also a short game stud. Different strokes for different folks. Alan
I could not agree with you in stronger terms. Advising someone to use the leading edge is a massive step backwards in short game technique.
@ReSourceEnergetics I would take that bet all day. You can make it $1k and I'm still in. I'm not trying to be cocky, but in my mind my confidence level is through the roof and I feel like I have the best hands in the game. That's my confidence level. Whether it's true it or not doesn't matter. It's my belief in me and my confidence. I would have no issues taking him or anyone on in a short game contest. I used to laugh at the people on big break struggling with the flop wall. For me it's a relatively easy shot. Again I just believe in myself and I am wicked confident about it.
Let’s get this chipping contest rolling. I’m ready. 😂
@@BerryHensonGolf lol
Worst chipping tips I have ever come across. First he wants you to grind the bounce off of $150-$200 wedge. Then he totally neglects the fact of all the different types of lyes you get.
Your way better off learning to use the bounce so you can traverse all those types of lies.
The V grind doesn’t need any extra work. Judging lies and hitting shots accordingly is an art but on most clean lies I use leading edge.
This guy must never play in the Pacific Northwest
Not too impressed
Why not just use a lower loft club. I’m not with him here. I know he’s a tour pro but we aren’t.
Yea, take you “hands” out of the stroke and use your shoulders to “feel” the stroke…..are you kidding me???? Pure nonsense. This is the short game technique use by Jason Day. Remember him?
Yes, he won on the pga tour last season. And has always had an amazing short game
@@richardblankley8943 …… Nonsense. Jason Day is a has-been and his technique of taking the hands out of chipping and pitching is ridiculous.