such a good video guys! Such a depthful look at the 10000 rule. Lots of stuff I didn't know or always assumed. Eric, your wife steals the show! Love the length of the video too while I work on my deep learning.
Lol...tuned it here!! I hadn't heard of the 10000 rule but a week ago, I just heard about deep work. Mind you everyone in my household was either a musician or an artist growing up so there was definitely deep work happening alot. I think that deep work can occur organically when you practice alot but not all the time. Someone can practice drawing a figure over and over but never improve, until they recognize what it is they need to change about their technique or approach. If it's a more deliberate process, learning will obviously be achieved more quickly rather than waiting to have those aha! moments.
What an awesome dialogue, and thanks for the shout out - I’m glad you liked Coyle’s book. :) There is so much to talk about, because there is a lot of misunderstanding around the subject. You are definitely hitting on the important factor - it’s not just the number of hours, but the quality and level of focus and intent that goes into those hours, which produces the result: mastery. One of the takeaways you mention is that these studies were directed at individuals who were at the top of their respective fields. There are many milestones of achievement (and fulfillment) on the path to mastery. To the budding artist, don’t be discouraged. Keep learning and growing, and getting better. Proficiency is an achievable short-term goal; mastery is a life-long path. It was said that on his deathbed, Leonardo Da Vinci exclaimed (and I’m paraphrasing here) “Darn! And I was just getting good at drawing.” Thanks for a great episode!
The ten thousand hour rule is pure, unscientific, horribly and amateurishly researched BS, and that's being far kinder than it deserves. Thousands of counter examples had to be thrown away to make that rule even come close to working. In fact, if a person isn't exceptionally good long before reaching ten thousand hours, chances are very, very high that they'll still be horrible even after twenty thousand hours. Many don't want to believe it, but talent is real, and not everyone has the same amount, or for the same things. This has been proven over and over and over and over by very strict science. Talent is why there are nine year old kids who have been drawing for a year, but who are better, often much better, than a great many who have put in their ten thousand hours long ago. Talent does not mean you're born knowing how to do something. There's nothing mysterious about talent, iit's nothing more and nothing less that IQ in a specific area. I don't care if you put in a million hours, if you have a low IQ for math, you will never, ever become a theoretical mathematician, and the world of quantum will be eternally out of your grasp. Art is no different. It's a hard thing for many to accept, but not everyone can do everything to the same level. That's just how it is. Fortunately, it doesn't require a great deal of talent to become pretty darned good at art, and no talent at all to have a lot of fun doing as much as you can. But the worst advice out there in any of the arets is "Never, ever give up." That's nonsense. You don't have to stop making art, but if your dream is to be a top artist on the level of the great ones, it shouldn't take very many years to realize this is not going to happen. At this point you have two choices. One is to just keep plugging away year after year after year until you're on your death bed, and have the horrible realization that you might have been great at something else. Choice two is to move on and find something else that you love, and that you do have the talent for. W.C. Fields said it best. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. If you still don't succeed, quit. There's no use being a damned fool about it." The ten thousand hour rule is just childishly silly, and completely dishonest bunk, in what is left out, and in the manipulation of what is included. You can take this as just my opinion, but if so, you have done no real research on the subject at all. Nor does make the rule an "average" change anything. It's still nonsense, no better than the man who liked to sleep with his head in the freezer and his feet in the oven. On average, he was very comfortable..
such a good video guys! Such a depthful look at the 10000 rule. Lots of stuff I didn't know or always assumed. Eric, your wife steals the show! Love the length of the video too while I work on my deep learning.
Lol...tuned it here!! I hadn't heard of the 10000 rule but a week ago, I just heard about deep work. Mind you everyone in my household was either a musician or an artist growing up so there was definitely deep work happening alot. I think that deep work can occur organically when you practice alot but not all the time. Someone can practice drawing a figure over and over but never improve, until they recognize what it is they need to change about their technique or approach. If it's a more deliberate process, learning will obviously be achieved more quickly rather than waiting to have those aha! moments.
What an awesome dialogue, and thanks for the shout out - I’m glad you liked Coyle’s book. :)
There is so much to talk about, because there is a lot of misunderstanding around the subject.
You are definitely hitting on the important factor - it’s not just the number of hours, but the quality and level of focus and intent that goes into those hours, which produces the result: mastery.
One of the takeaways you mention is that these studies were directed at individuals who were at the top of their respective fields. There are many milestones of achievement (and fulfillment) on the path to mastery.
To the budding artist, don’t be discouraged. Keep learning and growing, and getting better. Proficiency is an achievable short-term goal; mastery is a life-long path.
It was said that on his deathbed, Leonardo Da Vinci exclaimed (and I’m paraphrasing here) “Darn! And I was just getting good at drawing.”
Thanks for a great episode!
Great insight guys!
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The ten thousand hour rule is pure, unscientific, horribly and amateurishly researched BS, and that's being far kinder than it deserves. Thousands of counter examples had to be thrown away to make that rule even come close to working. In fact, if a person isn't exceptionally good long before reaching ten thousand hours, chances are very, very high that they'll still be horrible even after twenty thousand hours.
Many don't want to believe it, but talent is real, and not everyone has the same amount, or for the same things. This has been proven over and over and over and over by very strict science. Talent is why there are nine year old kids who have been drawing for a year, but who are better, often much better, than a great many who have put in their ten thousand hours long ago.
Talent does not mean you're born knowing how to do something. There's nothing mysterious about talent, iit's nothing more and nothing less that IQ in a specific area.
I don't care if you put in a million hours, if you have a low IQ for math, you will never, ever become a theoretical mathematician, and the world of quantum will be eternally out of your grasp. Art is no different. It's a hard thing for many to accept, but not everyone can do everything to the same level. That's just how it is.
Fortunately, it doesn't require a great deal of talent to become pretty darned good at art, and no talent at all to have a lot of fun doing as much as you can.
But the worst advice out there in any of the arets is "Never, ever give up." That's nonsense. You don't have to stop making art, but if your dream is to be a top artist on the level of the great ones, it shouldn't take very many years to realize this is not going to happen. At this point you have two choices. One is to just keep plugging away year after year after year until you're on your death bed, and have the horrible realization that you might have been great at something else.
Choice two is to move on and find something else that you love, and that you do have the talent for.
W.C. Fields said it best. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. If you still don't succeed, quit. There's no use being a damned fool about it."
The ten thousand hour rule is just childishly silly, and completely dishonest bunk, in what is left out, and in the manipulation of what is included.
You can take this as just my opinion, but if so, you have done no real research on the subject at all. Nor does make the rule an "average" change anything. It's still nonsense, no better than the man who liked to sleep with his head in the freezer and his feet in the oven. On average, he was very comfortable..