Such a shame the Warlock didnt get any similar level of love. We have an otherwordly patron bestowing us terrible powers and we NEVER interact with them at any point.
Doesnt really seem like its that big a deal. Oath breaker basically just sees one more npc that has a couple lines and lets you reset your oath by paying them 1000 gold. Its kinda cool but isnt adding crazy amount of depth or anything.
The flavor is great I'll admit, but the mechanics of it blow (nevermind the oathbreak conditions are buggy) It gets you invested for about ten minutes then it is just irritating because they take your respec ability from you. Pretty much saying (here's a neat new subclass but no you cannot tweek and optimized it without losing it) You have to find an oathbreak condition, do it. The study the class but you can't optimize b/c no repec. You get forgiven an that costs you oathbreaker. So then you have to find another way to oathbreak in order to test the build you were thinking of. Every other class you pay a small bit of gold and respec away. Flavor is good but far more irritating than it is gripping. The investment you put into it is time digging around on Nexus to see if anyone had been able to mod oathbreaker into a regular subclass like every damn single other subclass. I would happily pitch all this flavor for the ability to play with my builds without all the hoops.
It doesnt have to be evil. Playing dark urge paladin, trying to be loyal to your oath, but then breaking it because of the something controlling you is such a cool story and character to play, especially if you still continue to try and follow the past oath in order to redeem yourself. Playing a good dark urge character seems way more compelling than playing evil dark urge for people wondering. Edit: It also seems like the "canon" origin, since its the only origin that has no character, is tied to the past games and has an achievement.
It's definitely fun to roleplay a Dark Urge who's trying to fight against it, rather than giving into the urge. On this note, I chose an evil choice when you get to rescue Gale... fastest load I ever made when I realized he died from my actions 😂
I became an oathbreaker paladin by doing something stupid I can’t even remember. It was somewhere along the lines when I was doing the auntie Ethel. quest.
@@leonardceres9061 There are only 3 ways that I know of to break an oath there (depending on what oath you had): to spare her, or ressurect the husband of the woman, cause creating undead is evil, or putting on the mask
@@incoRPGi think dark urge actually pairs better with classes like barbarian, ranger, and fighter than it does with something like rogue. I did a dark urge run as a ranger and i found myself using the dark urge specific feature a lot to the point i considered resetting my class to barbarian haha
Fully leaning into dark urge is typically best on a martial subclass. But also let's be real, it's dnd (and bg3 no less, which fixes many small issues cause it's a video game and not a ttrp) ! It's rare that whatever you do with your character is flat-out bad.
When I made my character, I didn’t know I selected the Dark Urge. Really not sure what happened, and I didn’t find out until I started seeing a play through I wasn’t expecting. The Dark Urge was a perfect combination for my paladin, it made the Oathbreaker path a really neat story line for my character. I normally don’t play evil, so it’s been a neat play through, and I am still trying to fight being evil 😂
My paladin once got a short cutscene where a armored ghost came to me and said "you'll have to think of your crimes" and i got SO SCARED that i ruined my gameplay, i reloaded lmao
I've been loving my Oathbreaker playthrough! I haven't atoned. It's a lot of fun to use the forces of evil against evil. It's the sort of curiosity that drove Jedi to experiment with the dark side. I'm a half-orc and I was previously a Vengeance Paladin. I broke my oath by saving someone, and I try to spare many evil creatures when possible. But I'm willing to slay anyone who gets in my way, if that's what it comes to. It's a ton of fun, and I highly recommend it! The spells are really cool.
@@peytonalexander5300 those palladins, cares about their oaths and no killing stuff, when barb can kill anyone case it's fun! And then he can trow their corpse into anoter poor fella.
I thought it was made pretty clear that you can "break your oath" even while doing something that is actually morally right (or at least defensible). Like, doesnt THE oathbreaker say he broke his oath by objecting to genocidal warmongering?
I'm late as hell, but was recently doing an oath of ancients Redemption Urge Run. Hard rp leaning into the Oath being the light helping keep the urges at bay and my pally on "the right path". It was broken during the last bit of Act 3 releasing the vampire spawn. Made for very good storytelling seeing as how my Urge's "saving" seven thousand is what did it right before the Orin fight. Loved the cutscenes for it too. Very good class now one of my faves
That was a huge question I had as my friends wanted me to play a tank, but I also know the way they play games and figured I’d end up breaking my oath going along with them. It’s a pretty cool option. The more I learn about this game, the more I appreciate the true passion and effort put into it.
I love that . Thats a nice touch . I was a bit underwhelmed by the lack of voice variety but this is an amazing game and more voices can always be added in
I don't want to respec out of Oathbreaker. I want to respec and stay in the same class but you made it ridiculously difficult to do that. Thanks for that!
If you want to play one as soon as possible, I’ve found the quickest way to break an oath is choose Vengeance Paladin, and attack the Teiflings who caged Lazel.
I keep being amazed at the level of though and detail i keep discoving about this game. Bg3 really set the new standard, not even for ttrpg adaptations, but video gaming in general.
I like that the Oathbreakers aren't even exclusively bad guys for once. Like one of the first things the Knight tells you is something along the lines of "These powers are yours alone, do with them what you wish, use them for good or evil, I don't judge."
i broke my oath bringing mayrina’s husband back and then kept oathbreaker until the shadow-cursed lands. that aura of hate gives buffs to all undead, even enemies!!
My friend forced me to become an Oathbreaker. He thought the tieflings that kept laezel in the cage were bad and followed through with Lae zel to kill them. Because of this and I didnt want him to die, I helped him which in turn, broke my oath and I was super frustrated with that... then I realized it actually could be part of their own personal story!
One thing I wish they kept is deities for Paladins. Funny enough, the game has dialogues for it such as Paladin of Selune or Paladin of Mystra, maybe even Tyr but I guess it didn’t pass through
While I love the concept, I believe that the execution here can be a little off. Let me preface this by saying I’m very happy that my character is an oathbreaker. In the very beginning of the game, when a certain gith is trapped by two NPC’s, my character was unable to roll a successful persuasion check to free her. Combat started, even though I didn’t want it to, and I fought to defend my friend, which I believe was the honorable thing to do. However, the game decided that my actions were wrong, and made me an Oathbreaker. I am playing the game has the hero, always jumping to help people (in spite of what Asterion wants 😅) playing as a good character. My oathbreaker is not evil.
Did you deal with the tieflings with nonlethal strikes? You can activate that in the 'passives' tabs. Helps a lot with maintaining your oath if I recall correctly.
Just because you're an oathbreaker doesn't make you inherently evil the OBK even says that the oathbreakers power can be used for good or evil. It's up to the paladin to decide how it's used.
That happened to me too and I didn’t have the 1k gold to restore my oath at the time either. I was running around for a while as a Paladin without an oath
I just stayed as an oath breaker after the second time I killed "innocent" people. I just continued being good while being oathbreaker. Funny part is, you can regain your oath by paying 1000g. So I payed to regain my oath with money I stole from innocent people 😂
The game's sense of morality is all over the place in terms of Paladin oaths. The main reason I play Oathbreaker is because while I love the the idea, dialogue and features of Oath of Devotion, it forces you to play 'lawful stupid' and murder everything that's evil on sight, which cuts you off from half of the interesting conversations in the game. This is because you can't infiltrate the evil factions without then breaking your oath. Oathbreaker just gives you more freedom, whether playing good or evil. It also doesn't tell you how you broke your oath at all, and has some incredibly weird triggers; saving Lae'zel being a good example - how are you to know the tieflings are the good guys on your first playthrough? And making them hostile by failing the persuasion check with them and then killing them breaks your oath? What? The other oaths aren't that much better either. Vengeance forces an overly callous approach and is equally 'lawful stupid' as Devotion but different ways, and Ancients just isn't my style. If I wanted to protect nature's balance, I'd have played a druid. The whole thing of Oathbreakers being unable to respec is also a joke. Pay 1000 gold and be forgiven, then you can respec again. Is this D&D or the 15th century Catholic church?
Which is kinda weird, cuz you can change your oath at any time for any other subcalss, so it's kinda like "you can break your oath in this way, but not in this way"
I would love to see this done for other classes. What about Clerics going against their god? Maybe a different god comes along to offer them power? Maybe you simply lose your divine powers, and have to go on a mini-quest to fix it? What about Druids, going against nature by like... harming innocent beasts? Maybe they become shadow druids. What about Warlocks? I'm not sure how they would, but maybe they could break their pacts.
durge + oathbreaker My headcanon, after losing their memory durge convinced themselves that they were a paladin so hard they actually manifested a oath that they soon broke due to durge things.
It was a very good design decision to do this especially for new players that don't know the Bg3 or D&D Classes and systems. In Kingmaker: Pathfinder it is not as that easy to reset and with all the other stuff that overwhelms you, it happens that you restart instead of respecc which costs a lot of gold anyway.
Honestly though, I've been playing a good oath breaker and it's gotta be my favorite most overpowered build I've done yet. With INSANE crowd control thanks to the fear ability, the control undead, and necrotic damage, PLUS you keep the Devine Smite attack so I get the insane double crits from DS and luck of the far realms+ insane crowd control.
I found being an oathbreaker was good for a chaotic good paladin who realized that they were lied to their whole life therefore they renounced their oath.
One of the more frustrating points in my Paladin run, was that my co-op partners ended up at a point where we were attacked by the Tieflings when we tried to save Lazel, and even though they attacked us and I dealt no damage and was far away, my oath got broken.
Not being able to respec out of an oathbreaker is only a problem for me, because I realized later I should have taken another feat. (and now even want to dump strength due to having hill giant gauntlets) Although paying the 1000 gold is pretty cheap by now, having to break my oath again makes it a bit more complicated for me to respec.
@@Joker-hv6duthe problem is it can be a while before you have another opptunity to break your oath once you respec to get back into oathbreaker. Let's say you went str/cha/con at the start. U multi into warlock and get pact of the blade. Now u want to respec and go full cha and dump rest into con. But u still want to play oathbreaker. There are only so many oath breaking triggers you could be running without your wanted subclass for a good bit depending on When you did it
That's a cool feature, unfortunately there is no way for an oath breaker Paladin to restore their oath in act 3 because the Oathbreaker knight never shows up.
Mine appeared in act 3 but crashed my game mid oath revow. Now whenever I ask he just takes my gold, says he did it, and I am still an Oathbreaker so I can't repec.
I feel like durge would be best as either bard, oathbreaker paladin or life cleric just for the hell of it. Also i love how you can just respecc out of a warlock pact and how Wyll still acts like a earlock even if you respecc him
I broke my Oath of the Ancients many times, and every time I had to pay more golds, and also had to deal with the bug of the Oathbreaker Paladin not spawning during act3, but fortunately I managed to fix that (still had to pay 10K gold to rebuild my Oath lol) and finish the run
My first playthrough was Oath of the Ancients Paladin and I lol had to reload twice from accidentally choosing a dialogue that I didnt think would break my oath.
I’m in my first playthrough and I have become an oathbreaker paladin but I’m still trying to be a good guy. I might play them as a character in an actual campaign later because I’ve had a ton of fun so far!
Ok... so allow respec but if you choose paladin on level 1 the only subclass choice is oathbreaker unless you pay the 1000g. Don't block every other class behind it.
The only time my game was briefly unplayable was right after my karlach broke an oath, the oath knight or whatever disappeared and suddenly I couldn’t move or save. Still the best game of 2023!
I just wish there was some warning in-game that you are about to break your oath... At least during conversation. My first character was an Oath of the Ancients Paladin. Got to a point where I would break my oath so often i ended up giving up and going fighter. Seemed like every decision I made caused a broken oath. Got EXPENSIVE to re-cover that often! A warning would even make sense, since your character would know what would break the oath better than you would. Definitely won't be trying another Paladin again unless it's changed.
My good aligned paladin who I kept as an oath breaker because it fit their storyline and I liked the abilities the subclass offered: Say sike right now
But the issue is with breaking your oath again, the ability to respec is gone, and so is the ability to take your oath again. So you can’t have your oath power or the oath breaker powers and you can’t respec. It’s literally a dead end. Fingers crossed it’s a bug and not intentional.
Would be nice if you only had to restore your oath if you wanted to respec OUT of oathbreaker! Currently it's not possible to respec your stats as an oathbreaker.
Oathbreakers are also the only class that can (technically) get to level 13 in the game as it takes you yo the level up screen and if you break your oath at level 12 it will display as level 13.
I broke my oath when i spared a mean hag and i like it alot! But my paladin is still a helpful hero and i do all the good things, i can just act more freely
on my second character, i broke my oath almost immediately without realizing it. The tieflings that had the Gith caged after the crash wanted to fight and i couldnt find a good way to disengage or do non-lethal
Game mechanical oath breaker is pretty nutty with the feature to give advantage to all attack for three turns and a straight d4 necrotic damage each turn is good that is up to 12 damage if you get lucky But the advantage gets you far with a rogue in the party especially if the rogue is assassin perfect for a party when they want to pin down a greater monster
@AleksiJuvakka yes or a monk works to dish out damage and if you stack on things like vulnerability on top of that with the ilithid powers then yes that is potentially over hundred damage in one round
@andromacdonald5216 Sweet, thanks for explaining. I'm completely new to this type of game and have little idea what I'm supposed to be doing as a oathbreaker paladin haha
I just became an oath breaker from an ancients paladin. Killed a brainwashed person and it broke my oath. I am still gonna try to be good, but now I have a more cruel twist. Where I'd try to resolve a dispute via peace, I now am more inclined to fight
It didn't take me long and I had to reload. Persuading the tieflings to let the Githyanki go then have absolutely NO choice but to kill them made me break my oath. Like...wow.
I am playing pretty much lawful good and as OB. I dont know even the dialog with OB special option are more about freedom than about being evil. But tbh I expeted him to be a necromancer from what the OB Knight NPC said (he pretty much described Death knights from WoW, whose are lore-wise undead paladins, so that is where I got the idea from I guess), but I cant summon undead minion, only dominate one I find in the world. But of course fking Shadowheart can summon zombies as cleric, but not me xD.
my oathbreaker is stuck since our inept bard tried (and failed) to pickpocket the oathbreaker npc. after a painful combat (right before a long rest), my broken oath is locked in. i must want different feats
My problem is that the "evil" act which turned my character into an oath breaker was shoving the girl the hag kidnapped to check if she was the hag or not during the fight. Like what else was I supposed to do? I threw a bucket at her, that up till now did one point of damage, it instakilled her with 10 damage. Tried shoving so no damage was dealt, EVIL YOU BROKE YOUR OATH! 3rd time I just attacked and got the hag so i was finally able to finish the fight.
Make Oathbreaker a pickable subclass! Why can't I just be one... As if it's my background, maybe cuz I'm evil... Maybe cuz I'm looking for Redemption through deeds... I feel like this is a missed role play opportunity. Also I hate running other pally lol and I don't want to be forced to potentially screw over my game simply to run the pally I want.. Seems wrong.
I wish I could still reclass, with the downside being that if I were to go back to paladin, I'd immediately be an oathbreaker again. So instead of locking further respeccing behind 1100 gold, only the other paladin subclasses are locked, which would be a lot more reasonable, I think.
I find the way it works a little silly because it means that you cant respec in you same oathbreaker class without restoring your oath first, like if i want to respec a feat or respec a level from a multiclass or to a multiclass, i first have to get my oath back, then respec, then break it again to be oathbreaker... Why not just make it so that you can respec, but your first level will ALWAYS be in oathbreaker paladin?
My oathbreaker knight didn’t appear in my camp the second time I broke my oath, so I went all of A3 without an oath and unable to respec lol Was still OP though
The main issue with this is that....Oathbreaker is probably the best offensive choice in terms of paladins. You have a better hunter's mark, you're not restricted to alignment, you keep your smites on top of some pretty powerful oath spells. So like....I honestly recommend if you're doing a good playthrough, just murder someone or steal something to break your oath to get a much stronger paladin.
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Such a shame the Warlock didnt get any similar level of love. We have an otherwordly patron bestowing us terrible powers and we NEVER interact with them at any point.
You can call upon your patron for some skillchecks during dialogue, but it's not much.
warlocks always get shafted. Not a very popular class apparently, or the devs never like them.
Just like tabletop lmao 😂
Edit: I mean like how most DMs I hear about never touch patrons. I know warlock is stacked
Doesnt really seem like its that big a deal.
Oath breaker basically just sees one more npc that has a couple lines and lets you reset your oath by paying them 1000 gold.
Its kinda cool but isnt adding crazy amount of depth or anything.
@@GarbageHeroXDI’m not expecting much, just some line during a long rest where your patron talks to you about whether or not to fight the absolute
Love the flavor of this! Making choices matter is how you get people to be invested. Well done!
The flavor is great I'll admit, but the mechanics of it blow (nevermind the oathbreak conditions are buggy) It gets you invested for about ten minutes then it is just irritating because they take your respec ability from you. Pretty much saying (here's a neat new subclass but no you cannot tweek and optimized it without losing it) You have to find an oathbreak condition, do it. The study the class but you can't optimize b/c no repec. You get forgiven an that costs you oathbreaker. So then you have to find another way to oathbreak in order to test the build you were thinking of. Every other class you pay a small bit of gold and respec away. Flavor is good but far more irritating than it is gripping. The investment you put into it is time digging around on Nexus to see if anyone had been able to mod oathbreaker into a regular subclass like every damn single other subclass. I would happily pitch all this flavor for the ability to play with my builds without all the hoops.
The why do so many people savescum? The only want theirs choices to matter as long as it benefits them
@@Snipergoat1I feel you should be able to respect, but only in the oathbreaker subclass.
It doesnt have to be evil. Playing dark urge paladin, trying to be loyal to your oath, but then breaking it because of the something controlling you is such a cool story and character to play, especially if you still continue to try and follow the past oath in order to redeem yourself.
Playing a good dark urge character seems way more compelling than playing evil dark urge for people wondering.
Edit: It also seems like the "canon" origin, since its the only origin that has no character, is tied to the past games and has an achievement.
It's definitely fun to roleplay a Dark Urge who's trying to fight against it, rather than giving into the urge.
On this note, I chose an evil choice when you get to rescue Gale... fastest load I ever made when I realized he died from my actions 😂
I became an oathbreaker paladin by doing something stupid I can’t even remember. It was somewhere along the lines when I was doing the auntie Ethel. quest.
@@leonardceres9061 There are only 3 ways that I know of to break an oath there (depending on what oath you had):
to spare her, or ressurect the husband of the woman, cause creating undead is evil, or putting on the mask
@@coolboy9979resurrecting that husband did not break my oath of ancients so probably not that
@@patrykgrad3 Hmm, thought it would break any oath, cause thats something unholy to do.
Kinda always wanted to do a oath of Devotion drow then break my oath to fight Lolth
Literally exactly what I did and it happened naturally 😂
Ooo, nicee
I'm trying out The Dark Urge as an Oathbreaker. Hopefully it'll be interesting.
It is great.
Dark Urge works best as an assassin. With murder on his mind😅
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bodies
@@incoRPGi think dark urge actually pairs better with classes like barbarian, ranger, and fighter than it does with something like rogue. I did a dark urge run as a ranger and i found myself using the dark urge specific feature a lot to the point i considered resetting my class to barbarian haha
Fully leaning into dark urge is typically best on a martial subclass. But also let's be real, it's dnd (and bg3 no less, which fixes many small issues cause it's a video game and not a ttrp) ! It's rare that whatever you do with your character is flat-out bad.
When I made my character, I didn’t know I selected the Dark Urge. Really not sure what happened, and I didn’t find out until I started seeing a play through I wasn’t expecting. The Dark Urge was a perfect combination for my paladin, it made the Oathbreaker path a really neat story line for my character. I normally don’t play evil, so it’s been a neat play through, and I am still trying to fight being evil 😂
I love the "Do some work towards that" line. Completely a priest telling you that and you wonder well how much?
My paladin once got a short cutscene where a armored ghost came to me and said "you'll have to think of your crimes" and i got SO SCARED that i ruined my gameplay, i reloaded lmao
I've been loving my Oathbreaker playthrough! I haven't atoned. It's a lot of fun to use the forces of evil against evil. It's the sort of curiosity that drove Jedi to experiment with the dark side. I'm a half-orc and I was previously a Vengeance Paladin. I broke my oath by saving someone, and I try to spare many evil creatures when possible. But I'm willing to slay anyone who gets in my way, if that's what it comes to. It's a ton of fun, and I highly recommend it! The spells are really cool.
I broke my oath by performing a mercy kill…
A mercy made and a penance paid
Be it by rage or request, the weight of murder is no less immense.
@@peytonalexander5300 those palladins, cares about their oaths and no killing stuff, when barb can kill anyone case it's fun! And then he can trow their corpse into anoter poor fella.
Different oaths have different requirements. Oath of vengeance may have been able to do so, but an Oath of the Ancients, heeeel naw.
I thought it was made pretty clear that you can "break your oath" even while doing something that is actually morally right (or at least defensible). Like, doesnt THE oathbreaker say he broke his oath by objecting to genocidal warmongering?
I hope more subclasses get added in the future from the other source material. Maybe even full classes like Artificer
Artificer is in with mods
I'm late as hell, but was recently doing an oath of ancients Redemption Urge Run. Hard rp leaning into the Oath being the light helping keep the urges at bay and my pally on "the right path".
It was broken during the last bit of Act 3 releasing the vampire spawn. Made for very good storytelling seeing as how my Urge's "saving" seven thousand is what did it right before the Orin fight. Loved the cutscenes for it too. Very good class now one of my faves
That was a huge question I had as my friends wanted me to play a tank, but I also know the way they play games and figured I’d end up breaking my oath going along with them. It’s a pretty cool option. The more I learn about this game, the more I appreciate the true passion and effort put into it.
There is a current bug not allowing multiclassed paladins to reclaim their oath
YES
@@linkinparkfan1197 still not fixed? I have taken a break 😭
@@PHROGGYPHUCK they fixed it ig
@@amun720 yeah fixed, after the first payment of 1K it becomes 2K and the option only appears once you have the funds. Not sure about third repayments
Great subclass - loving mine. Reminds me of a Shadowknight or Death Knight. Lots of fun.
Thanks, Larian!
IIRC Oathbreaker Paladins who die can literally come back as Death Knights
I like the attention to details
Doing oathbreaker rn and it’s fun. I have at least 30 spells at my disposal which is cool.
Oath breaker knight has to be one of the coolest knights I've seen in years imo
I love that . Thats a nice touch . I was a bit underwhelmed by the lack of voice variety but this is an amazing game and more voices can always be added in
Watching Pat Stares At stream as an Oath breaker Paladin with the Dark Urge has been incredible
You can't undo your sins but you can undo your training.
I don't want to respec out of Oathbreaker. I want to respec and stay in the same class but you made it ridiculously difficult to do that. Thanks for that!
Yup I would trade all the flavor they added happly just to have the ability to tweak a build like every thiing else can. The system is clumsy AF.
+1, it’s just so ridiculously stupid to remove respec altogether when they could make it so you could only respec to oathbreaker
@@Snipergoat1don't swear oaths to gods if you want an easy life... 😅
That is such a cool detail.
There is so much thought put into thecl game. I can't wait till September 2nd.
If you want to play one as soon as possible, I’ve found the quickest way to break an oath is choose Vengeance Paladin, and attack the Teiflings who caged Lazel.
I accidentally broke my oath by drawing first blood and it broke my heart. Now I have to wait to be attacked first before I can do anything 😅
I keep being amazed at the level of though and detail i keep discoving about this game. Bg3 really set the new standard, not even for ttrpg adaptations, but video gaming in general.
I like that the Oathbreakers aren't even exclusively bad guys for once. Like one of the first things the Knight tells you is something along the lines of "These powers are yours alone, do with them what you wish, use them for good or evil, I don't judge."
i broke my oath bringing mayrina’s husband back and then kept oathbreaker until the shadow-cursed lands. that aura of hate gives buffs to all undead, even enemies!!
Definitely one of the best jump scares. The whole game is basically just setting up for it.
My friend forced me to become an Oathbreaker. He thought the tieflings that kept laezel in the cage were bad and followed through with Lae zel to kill them. Because of this and I didnt want him to die, I helped him which in turn, broke my oath and I was super frustrated with that...
then I realized it actually could be part of their own personal story!
I've been loving my Oathbreaker, I wouldn't say he's evil, but can be unforgiving.
Genius. Where is this level of genius in 99% of modern games?
One thing I wish they kept is deities for Paladins. Funny enough, the game has dialogues for it such as Paladin of Selune or Paladin of Mystra, maybe even Tyr but I guess it didn’t pass through
While I love the concept, I believe that the execution here can be a little off. Let me preface this by saying I’m very happy that my character is an oathbreaker. In the very beginning of the game, when a certain gith is trapped by two NPC’s, my character was unable to roll a successful persuasion check to free her. Combat started, even though I didn’t want it to, and I fought to defend my friend, which I believe was the honorable thing to do. However, the game decided that my actions were wrong, and made me an Oathbreaker.
I am playing the game has the hero, always jumping to help people (in spite of what Asterion wants 😅) playing as a good character. My oathbreaker is not evil.
Did you deal with the tieflings with nonlethal strikes? You can activate that in the 'passives' tabs. Helps a lot with maintaining your oath if I recall correctly.
Just because you're an oathbreaker doesn't make you inherently evil the OBK even says that the oathbreakers power can be used for good or evil. It's up to the paladin to decide how it's used.
That happened to me too and I didn’t have the 1k gold to restore my oath at the time either. I was running around for a while as a Paladin without an oath
I just stayed as an oath breaker after the second time I killed "innocent" people. I just continued being good while being oathbreaker. Funny part is, you can regain your oath by paying 1000g. So I payed to regain my oath with money I stole from innocent people 😂
The game's sense of morality is all over the place in terms of Paladin oaths. The main reason I play Oathbreaker is because while I love the the idea, dialogue and features of Oath of Devotion, it forces you to play 'lawful stupid' and murder everything that's evil on sight, which cuts you off from half of the interesting conversations in the game. This is because you can't infiltrate the evil factions without then breaking your oath. Oathbreaker just gives you more freedom, whether playing good or evil. It also doesn't tell you how you broke your oath at all, and has some incredibly weird triggers; saving Lae'zel being a good example - how are you to know the tieflings are the good guys on your first playthrough? And making them hostile by failing the persuasion check with them and then killing them breaks your oath? What?
The other oaths aren't that much better either. Vengeance forces an overly callous approach and is equally 'lawful stupid' as Devotion but different ways, and Ancients just isn't my style. If I wanted to protect nature's balance, I'd have played a druid.
The whole thing of Oathbreakers being unable to respec is also a joke. Pay 1000 gold and be forgiven, then you can respec again. Is this D&D or the 15th century Catholic church?
Which is kinda weird, cuz you can change your oath at any time for any other subcalss, so it's kinda like "you can break your oath in this way, but not in this way"
My Oathbreaker is absolutely amazing!
I started a Tav - Gnome - PLD(Ancients)/Druid(Land) and needless to say I was a bit shocked when I made an evil oopsie >:)
I thought being an oathbreaker was going to be a big deal but that Oathbreaker Knight shows up and hes actually chill af hes like “bro its nbd” lol
I would love to see this done for other classes. What about Clerics going against their god? Maybe a different god comes along to offer them power? Maybe you simply lose your divine powers, and have to go on a mini-quest to fix it?
What about Druids, going against nature by like... harming innocent beasts? Maybe they become shadow druids.
What about Warlocks? I'm not sure how they would, but maybe they could break their pacts.
durge + oathbreaker
My headcanon, after losing their memory durge convinced themselves that they were a paladin so hard they actually manifested a oath that they soon broke due to durge things.
It was a very good design decision to do this especially for new players that don't know the Bg3 or D&D Classes and systems. In Kingmaker: Pathfinder it is not as that easy to reset and with all the other stuff that overwhelms you, it happens that you restart instead of respecc which costs a lot of gold anyway.
I didn't enjoy playing paladin but all the stuff with the Oathbreaker was excellent
Honestly though, I've been playing a good oath breaker and it's gotta be my favorite most overpowered build I've done yet. With INSANE crowd control thanks to the fear ability, the control undead, and necrotic damage, PLUS you keep the Devine Smite attack so I get the insane double crits from DS and luck of the far realms+ insane crowd control.
I found being an oathbreaker was good for a chaotic good paladin who realized that they were lied to their whole life therefore they renounced their oath.
I broke my oath in act one in a seemingly no way out scenario with dialogue alone, I embraced it but I'm still playing as a good character
One of the more frustrating points in my Paladin run, was that my co-op partners ended up at a point where we were attacked by the Tieflings when we tried to save Lazel, and even though they attacked us and I dealt no damage and was far away, my oath got broken.
Not being able to respec out of an oathbreaker is only a problem for me, because I realized later I should have taken another feat. (and now even want to dump strength due to having hill giant gauntlets) Although paying the 1000 gold is pretty cheap by now, having to break my oath again makes it a bit more complicated for me to respec.
but you can just go to withers for a respec why would you need to take up the oath again
@@Joker-hv6duthats the problem, you cant respec as an oathbreaker, you need to retake your oath
@@Joker-hv6duthe problem is it can be a while before you have another opptunity to break your oath once you respec to get back into oathbreaker.
Let's say you went str/cha/con at the start. U multi into warlock and get pact of the blade. Now u want to respec and go full cha and dump rest into con. But u still want to play oathbreaker. There are only so many oath breaking triggers you could be running without your wanted subclass for a good bit depending on When you did it
That’s gotta be one of the edgiest sounding subclasses ever.
That's a cool feature, unfortunately there is no way for an oath breaker Paladin to restore their oath in act 3 because the Oathbreaker knight never shows up.
He showed up for me when I sided with Gortash and it broke my oath
He can show up in any Act, your game may have had an error. Hope it got fixed for you.
Mine appeared in act 3 but crashed my game mid oath revow. Now whenever I ask he just takes my gold, says he did it, and I am still an Oathbreaker so I can't repec.
Oh yay, yet another way that system screws with you. It's got to go.
He is chilling with the gang at the elfsong tavern. Must be a bug
I feel like durge would be best as either bard, oathbreaker paladin or life cleric just for the hell of it. Also i love how you can just respecc out of a warlock pact and how Wyll still acts like a earlock even if you respecc him
Right out of the gate Mt buddy says some people are attacking him and meets help. I run up, kill one and lose my oath.
I broke my Oath of the Ancients many times, and every time I had to pay more golds, and also had to deal with the bug of the Oathbreaker Paladin not spawning during act3, but fortunately I managed to fix that (still had to pay 10K gold to rebuild my Oath lol) and finish the run
I allow myself to purchase one large game a year. Thinking about making this one it
My first playthrough was Oath of the Ancients Paladin and I lol had to reload twice from accidentally choosing a dialogue that I didnt think would break my oath.
I’m in my first playthrough and I have become an oathbreaker paladin but I’m still trying to be a good guy. I might play them as a character in an actual campaign later because I’ve had a ton of fun so far!
Ok... so allow respec but if you choose paladin on level 1 the only subclass choice is oathbreaker unless you pay the 1000g. Don't block every other class behind it.
The only time my game was briefly unplayable was right after my karlach broke an oath, the oath knight or whatever disappeared and suddenly I couldn’t move or save. Still the best game of 2023!
And by " they'll have do do work" he meant "pay more". For the low low price of 1000 gold, you do can get your powers back
I just wish there was some warning in-game that you are about to break your oath... At least during conversation. My first character was an Oath of the Ancients Paladin. Got to a point where I would break my oath so often i ended up giving up and going fighter. Seemed like every decision I made caused a broken oath. Got EXPENSIVE to re-cover that often! A warning would even make sense, since your character would know what would break the oath better than you would. Definitely won't be trying another Paladin again unless it's changed.
My good aligned paladin who I kept as an oath breaker because it fit their storyline and I liked the abilities the subclass offered: Say sike right now
But the issue is with breaking your oath again, the ability to respec is gone, and so is the ability to take your oath again. So you can’t have your oath power or the oath breaker powers and you can’t respec. It’s literally a dead end. Fingers crossed it’s a bug and not intentional.
Would be nice if you only had to restore your oath if you wanted to respec OUT of oathbreaker! Currently it's not possible to respec your stats as an oathbreaker.
Oathbreakers are also the only class that can (technically) get to level 13 in the game as it takes you yo the level up screen and if you break your oath at level 12 it will display as level 13.
I have my hireling as oathbreaker paladin, so that if I ever change my mind, I can dispose them, and re-recruit
I broke my oath when i spared a mean hag and i like it alot! But my paladin is still a helpful hero and i do all the good things, i can just act more freely
on my second character, i broke my oath almost immediately without realizing it. The tieflings that had the Gith caged after the crash wanted to fight and i couldnt find a good way to disengage or do non-lethal
Tell them to leave and you will handle it after that let her down after they walk away....
There are plenty of ways to solve that situation
@@lordcommissar7813 yeah the friend I was playing with failed all those checks 😅
Game mechanical oath breaker is pretty nutty with the feature to give advantage to all attack for three turns and a straight d4 necrotic damage each turn is good that is up to 12 damage if you get lucky
But the advantage gets you far with a rogue in the party especially if the rogue is assassin perfect for a party when they want to pin down a greater monster
So as a oathbreaker paladin I should be mainly buffing the rogue in our party?
@AleksiJuvakka yes or a monk works to dish out damage and if you stack on things like vulnerability on top of that with the ilithid powers then yes that is potentially over hundred damage in one round
@andromacdonald5216 Sweet, thanks for explaining. I'm completely new to this type of game and have little idea what I'm supposed to be doing as a oathbreaker paladin haha
I just became an oath breaker from an ancients paladin. Killed a brainwashed person and it broke my oath. I am still gonna try to be good, but now I have a more cruel twist. Where I'd try to resolve a dispute via peace, I now am more inclined to fight
Would have liked to be able to respec into Oathbreaker LVL one, that really wrecked my jam.
FREAKING SICK
There’s a bug where in act2 onwards the Oathbreaker knight won’t show at your camp if you have reclaimed your oath in act 1.
There is a fix for that, you have to install a script extender and type a specific command, so don't restart your character
Isn’t atoning for your sins mechanically still just “changing your mind” and “deciding to respec”?
it's bugged. If you try to take up your oath again for the second time in act 3, the knight will not show up
Coulda used this knowledge. Yesterday
Lmao 😂
Wish I could respec my oathbreaker but only be able to reduce lvls in it or other class I have multi clased into
Wish they have a surgeon class. I found surgery tools but cannot use those class actions
Broke my oath freeing a dead prisoner.
It didn't take me long and I had to reload. Persuading the tieflings to let the Githyanki go then have absolutely NO choice but to kill them made me break my oath. Like...wow.
Them:you can work to reset it.
Me:"and so i quick saved."
Sad part is the act 3 bug isnt easily fixed because you have to attone first which the bug prevents you from doing :(
I think the fastest oath break I’ve seen is we spawned on the beach went to laezel and broke his oath so maybe 2-3 minutes in
I am playing pretty much lawful good and as OB. I dont know even the dialog with OB special option are more about freedom than about being evil. But tbh I expeted him to be a necromancer from what the OB Knight NPC said (he pretty much described Death knights from WoW, whose are lore-wise undead paladins, so that is where I got the idea from I guess), but I cant summon undead minion, only dominate one I find in the world. But of course fking Shadowheart can summon zombies as cleric, but not me xD.
my oathbreaker is stuck since our inept bard tried (and failed) to pickpocket the oathbreaker npc. after a painful combat (right before a long rest), my broken oath is locked in. i must want different feats
My problem is that the "evil" act which turned my character into an oath breaker was shoving the girl the hag kidnapped to check if she was the hag or not during the fight. Like what else was I supposed to do? I threw a bucket at her, that up till now did one point of damage, it instakilled her with 10 damage. Tried shoving so no damage was dealt, EVIL YOU BROKE YOUR OATH! 3rd time I just attacked and got the hag so i was finally able to finish the fight.
I think this would have been nice for some other classes as well, like if you decide to respect out of a warlock
Some playing to do !1000 gold
Make Oathbreaker a pickable subclass! Why can't I just be one... As if it's my background, maybe cuz I'm evil... Maybe cuz I'm looking for Redemption through deeds... I feel like this is a missed role play opportunity. Also I hate running other pally lol and I don't want to be forced to potentially screw over my game simply to run the pally I want.. Seems wrong.
Forever Evil 👹👹
I wish I could still reclass, with the downside being that if I were to go back to paladin, I'd immediately be an oathbreaker again. So instead of locking further respeccing behind 1100 gold, only the other paladin subclasses are locked, which would be a lot more reasonable, I think.
I find the way it works a little silly because it means that you cant respec in you same oathbreaker class without restoring your oath first, like if i want to respec a feat or respec a level from a multiclass or to a multiclass, i first have to get my oath back, then respec, then break it again to be oathbreaker...
Why not just make it so that you can respec, but your first level will ALWAYS be in oathbreaker paladin?
What about oath breaker paladins that originally followed an evil deity?
Learned that in my dark urge play through you can’t respec without a lot of gold
My oathbreaker knight didn’t appear in my camp the second time I broke my oath, so I went all of A3 without an oath and unable to respec lol
Was still OP though
The main issue with this is that....Oathbreaker is probably the best offensive choice in terms of paladins. You have a better hunter's mark, you're not restricted to alignment, you keep your smites on top of some pretty powerful oath spells.
So like....I honestly recommend if you're doing a good playthrough, just murder someone or steal something to break your oath to get a much stronger paladin.
Did they ever fix the bug that gets rid of the Oathbreaker Paladin in your camp when you're in the finale of act two about to go into act 3?
When can i get a playable Aasimar race to get fully that avenging angel feel?
My paladin has 43 AC. I LOVE IT. can solo entire fights on tactician
I got mine bugged. I broke the oath 2 times and then in the change of class my paladin can do a lot of evil action and dont lose the oath.