Sega Rally 2! A Bigger More Impressive Arcade Racing Game than Sega Rally on Model 3! Dreamcast too!
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I have been teasing this series for a very long time...and that's because it took a VERY LONG TIME to make...a twenty episode retrospective on every Sega developed arcade racing game in 3D! Because whether its retro gaming or modern pc gaming...Sega is the KING of the arcade racing genre! So buckle up and get ready for a retrogaming ride!
THE RULES FOR INCLUSION: 1) It must have had an arcade release (So no Sega GT) 2) It must be in 3D (Bye Bye Outrunners, etc etc) and 3) you MUST be racing against an opponent and not just a timer (sorry Crazy Taxi, Wild Riders)
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Up next: Sega Rally 2! the original Sega Rally was a massive hit for Sega both in the arcades on the Model 2 hardware as well as at home for the Sega Saturn...so of COURSE Sega made a 3D arcade racing game sequel on Model 3! It's got all the off road rally racing fun you remember...except its bigger, better and most importantly faster! Plus it was ported to Dreamcast...with mixed results. Retro games have many versions...and not all are as good as the others!
But if somehow you have never played Sega Rally 2...go play it! It's not like this is obscure gaming or anything!
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I swear, seeing and playing Sega arcade racers just makes me indescribably happy every time.
I know the feeling lol. Hence the series
same here
Plenty more coming. Maybe more than I’ve even told anyone…
Great video! I'm currently remaking Sega Rally in Unreal Engine 5 and it's been a pleasure to learn as much as possible about this franchise.
But I honestly think the first one is still the best in pretty much everything: visual style, music, handling, console port.
They actually went back to a more saturated look with SR3 and I overall prefer it to SR2.
Ooh fun. Have any previews?
I thought Sega Rally 2 was a major step down from the original. The handling just never made any sense to me. Sega Rally 1 is my favourite racer ever.
I find them equally as fun but that’s me
@@VideoGameEsoterica Actually I'm just playing it with Supermodel for the first time and the arcade version handles sooo much better than the Dreamcast version. I'm actually enjoying it now, although I still prefer the weight and feel of the original personally. Other than the highly variable frame rate I haven't the foggiest as to why it feels so much worse on Dreamcast.
Yes the arcade version is the far superior version
I don't care what the paper specs say. The Model 3 was more powerful than the Naomi and DC, full stop. There's nothing that compares with the likes of Sega Rally 2 and Daytona 2. Model 3 was an expensive, custom made hardware, Naomi/DC was a cheap, consumer based hardware. Only Naomi 2 comes close to what the Model 3 could do, especially the latest revisions.
Model 3 had a look that aged much better than NAOMI so I think that helps a ton in comparisons
Model 3 was a brute polygon pushing machine. It could move complex 3D graphics fast and smoothly with much ease, that's why many Model 3 games have aged so well, especially it's racing games. The Naomi/DC had some more modern features that helped a lot, as well as more modern software making tools, but the performance/raw power was less.
Daytona 2 still looks absolutely stunning. I love Battle on the Edge.
That's what you get for 20K a board and the involvement of Lockheed!
That will show up eventually too of course :)
Whenever you feature these amazing Sega arcade racing games I just have to groan that Sega continues to leave so many AMAZING titles wallowing in the purgatory that is niche emulation.
Where is our Super GT?! Where's our Indy 500?! Our Outrunners?! Our arcade perfect Sega Rally 2?! Sega needs to announce an arcade racer collection YESTERDAY!
Sega keeps it all to themselves!
A combo of two culprits:
-Automobile licensing agreements
-Losing access to source files, assets, or the tools used for the game's development.
I think Sega wants to re-release the games using emulation but the licensing agreements made with Toyota, Lancia, and the other manufacturers are preventing it from happening. Sega most likely has the source code and assets stored away securely, but the workstations used to make the games are most likely long gone by now and they have no cheap solution to get their old SDK's working on modern Windows. If they did, they could have removed all traces of licensed cars and revamped the 3d models to avoid copyright violation.
I’m sure it’s mostly the former than the latter
Thanks for this! I own the SR2 duel arcade machine, it’s as you say amazing speed and the road feel on the wheel is perfect,, you feel the bumps on the wooden bridge and the tires feel loose in the snow level, truly amazing fun.
I never use the e-brake but have the down shifts just right. E brake is too far away from the wheel to be useful, was thinking of putting a extension bar on to see how effective the brake is.
Love your channel!
Btw I got a Model 3 Scud Race but having trouble with the sound when plugged into the Sega Rally 2 cabinet, I’m almost there just need the right sound amp.
Fun to own a dual cab setup. If I had space I'd jump on one...but sadly city living means it's a bit hard!
I absolutely adore this game. Our local arcade had the deluxe 50" screen edition, and playing it like that was something even more special.
Ooh nice. I’ve never had the chance to play that cab
There was a 50'' Deluxe (1 player) Ridge Racer at my local arcade. It was £1 a go and I was addicted to Street Fighter II games so I reasoned I'd rather have 5 credits on Street Fighter II. It would have been nice to play it.
Haha that logic checks out
I love Sega games from that time period, they always had something unique about them.
It was the golden era of Sega
Nice retrospective. It's a shame due to certain technical limitations, that it didn"t look as cherry and bright, like the arcade version, but at least the dreamcast port was still good enough. One thing I always wished for, is that I wish this game, had about 30 stages/race courses. Games this good, deserve tons of race courses, and more cool music tracks.👍😄
More is always better
Why wasn't Dreamcast based on something Model 3? Was it cost or ease of development?
Cost. Model 3...if my memory is correct, sold for 20K to operators
Sega rally 2 was perfect till I played revo. The dirt effects and the fact that the tracks degraded each lap made that game pure magic 😊
Always a fun game too
Revo was awesome and it was a bit of a challenge as well. Wished SEGA kept up with the franchise.
I've been replaying Sega Rally Revo recently, that one is fantastic too.
If only that could appear on this series
Another great video!
While the Dreamcast port is still an excellent game and was obviously never going to be a 1-2-1 conversion it was a major disappointment as a port compared to the pure sorcery they pulled off with the Saturn port of the first game.
It was never destined to reach anywhere near what Model 3 can do but it was still a fun time
@@VideoGameEsoterica I think the problem with Sega Rally 2 on DC is that it was a PC port. Just looking at Daytona 2001 on DC and that shows you what should of been done. Quality wise a little like Daytona USA original Saturn release and the jump in quality to Sega Rally on Saturn. With that said Sega Rally 2 on DC plays ok and the box art is superb
Daytona 2001 is strange to me. Kind of a port, kind of not a port.
@@VideoGameEsoterica So true. It's like Daytona 1.5 ( although I guess you could say the same about the second Saturn Daytona game ). Once you sort out the sensitivity in the controller options and adjust to it's unique handling on certain corners it's a great game though. Those graphics are special
@@robsmall6466 Agreed - Daytona USA 2001 is an odd one. Kind of like a remix in some ways. As you say - like CCE - it loses some of the DNA but is still an excellent game. Still love the handling of the original Saturn port of Daytona but obviously graphically it struggles a little.
I think the Sega Rally 2 port on Dreamcast suffers from the things both of you mentioned - it's using Windows CE which always seems to bottleneck the system somewhat, it was meant to be a launch game which always has an impact as the hardware & dev kits are rarely finalised plus a few other factors.
Still plays well but I meant compared to the majesty of the port of the original to the Saturn (i.e. that it was WAY beyond what anyone thought might be possible after the initial games on the system) it was always going to be a bit of a let down.
As an aside I always thought Sega missed a bit of trick in terms of releasing a Saturn exclusive follow up to Sega Rally Championship 95. For example in late 97 they could have released a game using the exact same engine, with some new tracks, maybe some additional vehicles and maybe a career mode. Call it something like Sega Saturn Rally Championship. With the bulk of the engine development sorted this would have been easier to develop than a whole new game and could have sold well to Saturn owners still playing the original game. Maybe even have it so you could import ghost times etc from the original.
As a further aside can anyone think of a bigger leap in development/getting to grips with the hardware than when the Big 3 releases by Sega that Christmas - VF2, Sega Rally & Virtua Cop? Massive step uup from earlier releases in terms of graphical complexity, fidelity, frame rate, responsiveness & overall package. They all showed the Saturn was more than capable of competing against the other systems when it came to 3D.
Sega Rally 2 cabinet had such good Force Feedback! It was one of my favorites to play
The force feedback really makes a difference
Every single game Tetsuya Mizuguchi has ever had a hand in making has always been absolute gold! On a tangent, I would love to see him revisiting Sega Rally but with the style and flair of Tetris Effect - that would be wild. :D
Haha that would be quite the mashup of styles
If he's down, I wouldn't mind have a Tetris Effect mode in my remake!
Kenji Sasaki is the mind behind Sega Rally 2, not Mizuguchi.
Oh yeah, one of my favorite game of all time. A lot of coins used on this arcade version.
Coins well spent if you ask me!
In the Dreamcast emulator Redream you can emulate SEGA Rally 2.. and upscaling it makes it very close to the Model 3 original. Even runs at 60 fps. I still prefer the Model 3 version of course, because nothing can beat that, but the 10 year Championship mode in the Dreamcast version is very fun...
I will give it a shot one day :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica Awesome series, looking forward to the remaing episodes!! SEGA RACING FOREVER!
Just a FEW more to go lol…I added some bonus episodes…so like 25 more videos in the series incoming 😂
Oh yeah, what a gem of a game ! Only thing I don't agree here is that I do think this would've been possible on original Xbox. The track and environment are really well done and hi poly, but when it comes to cars, I'm pretty sure something like PGR2 are more detailed vehicles, so I don't think you'd have to wait for 360 to port it.
Wonder what the original resolution it was on Model 3 ? But I do think it would be possible on OG Xbox !
Model 3 has multiple resolutions so kind of a mixed bag
Agree.
Honestly I've scrubbed around the video multiple times, and I'm really not seeing what's so amazing looking about it. Except for resolution, it's far, FAR away from an xbox 360 game. People would be happy to have it on the 360 for the gameplay, but definitely not for the graphics.
I would argue that Rallysport challenge on the original XBox looks fairly comparable in the polygonal and texture detail department, but has much superior lighting, which really doesn't seem to be the model 3's strength. Hell, even the rally stages of Gran Turismo 4 on the old ps2 look better overall (except for resolution ofc), even if technically it might have less detailed models and textures.
Model 3 lighting was always high key. I think it benefits from it
@@VideoGameEsoterica It certainly gives games a certain look to them. Many Dreamcast games also used this flat fullbright lighting with hard shadows and there's definitely a charm to it.
It ages better IMO
It’s disgraceful that the Dreamcast version of Sega Rally 2, a Sega arcade game, looks so dreary and non-right and uncolorful. How was that possible? Sega betrayed the blue sky. Other games on DC were able to have bright lively colors…it seems like a deliberate decision by someone.
I was pumped to try it in emulation and it was shocking.
Quick port on Windows CE is why it’s much less impressive
What sort of PC/laptop specs does one need to run model 3 games on this supermodel emulator? I loved the Dreamcast port at the time (although did use the lock framerate cheat), but seeing the arcade now i see what i missed out on!
Anything modern with a decent GPU will be fine
when I was 20, I beat this SEGA Rally 2 arcade every time in the SEGA arcade amusement in Shanghai.
And it probably never got old either
I remember playing the rotating arcade version back in the day. It was amazing. I haven't seen the rotating version for decades now. I'd love to play it again
Lucky you saw it. I’ve never gotten the chance to experience it
@@VideoGameEsoterica very lucky. Only played it twice. It was so good feeling it move around. Great video
Glad you enjoyed the video :)
With emulation, you can improve Dreamcast visuals A LOT.
That’s true but the arcade version still can’t be beat IMO
hey! i'm making a 3do M2 replica (not with the same hardware of course!). I've made the 3D model (very close to the original). do you want to join to make a MINI 3DO M2 KICKSTARTER CAMPAIN?
Oh I’m not really in the Kickstarter business lol. I barely have time for stuff as it is
I would say on par with PS2 or Xbox, since the rally games on those system surpasses Sega Rally 2 visually. 360 graphics on the other hand are on a whole different level.
Too bad Sega Rally 2 on Dreamcast was made with Windows CE due to Sega wanting easy porting to the PC.
Windows CE was just a bad choice from the start
I thought DC would run model 3. Man was I wrong, but model 2 should run. Those rescue games I'd enjoy since I can't Plat jambo safari.
I wish DC had at least gotten Gunblade NY
Wow the Dreamcast is drab. Wonder if you can Ghidra decompile it and fix whatever the hell windows ce does with the light and textures, because Daytona doesn’t look so bland
Yes however they ported it it lost a lot of the visual charm
Spent many many an evening on these back then. The handling on sega rally 2 in dreamcast just wasn't as silky smooth as the first. Always go with the first!
Whole series is great IMO
A much better DC port was definitely possible without the CE middleware , or even with. Pretty sure this was rushed to a deadline. I'd love to see a new crack at it.
100% rushed
Wasn't Model 3 developed by people who made graphical simulations for the military? And they were supposed to make a model 4?
Lockheed Martin
Something I always used to hate with sega's racing games, as fun as they were would always start you way in the back of the running order as opposed to putting in a qualifying stage to determine where you'd start.
Don’t forget Sega Touring Car Championship. That had qualifying
I remember the PC version had graphical issues that made it unplayable... really wish I can get a used laptop capable of running super model 3 ! (My laptop died of Bios bit rot)
bios bit rot? ouch. Can't say I've ever heard of that
@@VideoGameEsoterica Basically that Toshiba is doomed! no BIOS/MOBO parts around nor a way for me to flash the EXACT rom that suits my motherboard revision... BTW Toshiba laptops are Dynabook now!
I took pride in keeping it issue free from the day of purchase till now.
If only there was an open source bios rom that works on any laptop
can't get NOS or a pulled part on ebay?
@@VideoGameEsoterica Nope, I am in Egypt... I'll see what is available in shops
However in terms of specs nothing is good within my budget!!
200USD is too much for intelHD 520 i5 laptop or
AMD R6 APU of A10 Processor
or AMD FIREPRO M4000 + 4th gen i7
Sigh~
Ahh yeah I could see a part like they being difficult to source in Egypt
DC version of VF3 was almost perfect. Dc could of some model 3 games. But that window ce is garbage
Yes 3TB was Very close for sure
Where the hell is SCUD RACE…. We want that game on a console and after 25 years still nothing
I’m sure it’s a licensing issue that costs more to rectify than Sega thinks they’d make by releasing it again
How is the pc version compare with that (I remember to play it back in the early 2000's )
Decent. Not perfect
ive always wanted a lancia, its the car wheel jack was in transformers
Haha I did not know that
been playing this this year at a arcade bar, filling up the times on championship and time attacks for the 4stages, even the top8 for each car now (as when the top8 is filled, it cuts to a top8 for each car, its a great game but SR1 is a better multiplayer casual game, SR2 for time runs :)
Sounds like a good time. Fun they have a cab there
stand up cab, so you need a bar stool so you can double pedal play ;)
Nothing wrong with that
Hi Sir are there still not sound from the cars engine in sega rally 2 in sega model 3 emulator last update ?
I believe there were engine noises?
You are right to insist on how amazing for its time the visuals were, but they were absolutely not out of reach of the Dreamcast. The port was a total let down, just like the PC port of Sega gt sucked balls. It's a real missed opportunity for Sega to properly bring this gem on the home console. Remember that both F355 Challenge, and Crazy taxi were more demanding games and were perfect ports from Naomi.
They were out of reach stylistically as the Dreamcast was diff hardware entirely. You could run the games but they’d lose a lot of that Model 3 look
@@VideoGameEsoterica I mean was VF3 out of reach stylistically ? What about VS2 or Sega bass fishing ?
I had to go check the Model 3's spec sheets again, and it is in fact not as powerful as Naomi/DC. I'm not sure where the interwebs gets these ideas, but even Moore's Law dictates Naomi should be more capable, and it is by at least three times as many texture mapped, lit, polys per second. 640x480 is the highest resolution for both, but the PowerVR DC can and has rendered internally above that and output at standard def for anti aliasing. Sega Rally 2 was just a WinCE port, DC launch games showed more of what the system could do at a solid framerate.
It’s all perspective. Raw power vs what aged better
I think there is a lot of rose colored glasses to the Model 3 original that emulation is making worse. In my mind Super GT had no aliasing anywhere and everything was perfect too. The same thing happened with Daytona USA, nobody even mentioned the draw distance issues.
That said, SR2 on Dreamcast wasn't great to begin with, it was adequate and a tech demo for online play (in Japan).
-edit- Cheers though, this video caused me to play SR2 for the rest of the evening, on Dreamcast with my new to me Extron 1N508 upscaler and my Zenith Presentation CRT. What a blast from the past that was, I barely noticed the stuttering. But I've been doing a lot of testing on Win98SE and 1999 hardware and earlier, where even if it peaks over 100FPS stutter is still visible (despite interweb claims to the contrary).
in same time the pc version was better than the dreamcast version.
It’s been forever since I played the PC version
yes! sega rally great racing game but it's been removed from steam
Bummer. I didn’t realize it was on Steam
While NAOMI wasn't really as powerful as Model 3 Step 2, the difference in price was massive: NAOMI boards were about $1995 while Model 3 Step 1 was around $20000. Dreamcast was a bit slower than NAOMI however and as you mentioned, WinCE didn't do it any favours. One fancy characteristic of the PowerVR2 GPU was its ability to render compressed textures on the fly but it came with a color quality cost. It doesn't seem that the SR2 Dreamcast developers accounted for this.
Even with the wild delta in price I wish Dreamcast was based on Model 3 / Lockheed Real3D hardware
@@VideoGameEsoterica I guess Intel’s i740 is the closest we’ve ever gotten to that. A shame it was a terrible card.
Oh well. Alt universe got it I guess lol
I played this in the arcade today and it was much much slower than what you're showing here. I've played it on supermodel and it was much faster. I wonder if it's because it was PAL. But it was really quite noticeable.
Pal may have been running at 50Hz which would reduce the game speed down by 1/6th
Yeah the PAL version was 50hz only, like Virtua Fighter 3. It sucked. I just play the NTSC versions these days. Most PAL Dreamcast games had 60hz modes you could select but not these two!
Not sure if the PAL version works in VGA mode but if it does then that should run at 60hz I should imagine.
It’s the worst when it loses those ten frames
Nice review! I think you've totally nailed my biggest disappointment with the Dreamcast version with the use of Windows CE - the fact that although the Dreamcast couldn't match the Model 3, we could've got a version that looked soooo much better. The crappy frame rate, drab colours and poor draw distance really make it feel like a substandard port. You only need to look at DC Daytona USA (60fps, no draw distance, bright and colourful, nice specular lighting effects on the cars) to see just how much better it could've been.
Yes it was just too flawed of a port to not disappoint sadly
@@VideoGameEsoterica Have you ever played the PC port of SR2? It's what I always imagine the DC game should've been like. Still slightly dreary graphics with a bit of a noticeable draw distance going on, but slightly higher res graphics and a consistently smooth 60fps. Still nowhere as nice as the Model 3 game visually, but a nicer way to experience all the home port extra content than the Dreamcast game IMHO.
Back in the day I did. I tried for this capture and I had no luck getting it to run on a modern PC
Unpopular opinion : I prefer Sega Rally 3 over the two previous episodes 😅 This one also suffers from an hazardous port and is still unique and fun to play now.
But I am french, therefore during the Sega Rally 2 era we were under V-Rally 2 propaganda which was developped locally and pushed SR2 out of the console realm from there.
Regarding the Model 3 vs Dreamcast/Naomi hardware specs theoretical battle I think you are mistaken, althought in the case of Sega Rally 2 the Dreamcast didn't win much.
The Dreamcast version could have theorically caught up with the Model 3 version but I believe everyone is missing out on the benefits added to the Windows (DirectX) port.
And I would not recommend trying this game on the Model3 emulator yet as it seems to lack of several graphical effects such as fog and shadows compared to real hardware.
One thing I never see mentionned are the exclusive dynamic lights only appearing on the Dreamcast/Windows version which could be seen when the rear lights turns on or a fire popping off the exhaust. And since the shadows looks so much different there might be several other graphical benefits that we don't truly notice since the artistic direction given to those new effects didnt translate well into this Sega Rally 2 port/PortOfaPort/upgrade/downgrade/bewilderment.
I believe in that time every SEGA studios were asked to make full use of every single new hardware accelerated graphical features which is why we saw some drammatic changes in the lighting system on the Sega Rally 2 port or even the Daytona USA 2001 port where they irrationally tried to implement every single new features the Dreamcast boasts compared to the classic version.
Rieko Kodama once said in an interview about Skies of Arcadia that her boss told her to use transparency as much as they could since the Sega Saturn has been humiliated by the Playstation in that field given the Saturn didn't have this graphical feature so I can only imagine the amount of requests other SEGA devs were given around that time.
The Model 3 vs Katana/Dreamcast/Naomi topic deserves an entire investigation on its own as comparisons between the two hardwares are not that easy. The Dreamcast relies on smart hardware accelerated graphical features while the Model 3 lacks of most of these things and relies on bigger RAM chips as well as raw compute power instead.
It got better with time which was proven by the Virtua Fighter 3 port or Fighting Vipers 2's port looking nearly arcade perfect while the Soul Calibur Dreamcast Port/Upgrade has had enough time to aprehend this new hardware to then outshine both its own arcade version and Model 3's Fighting Vipers 2 version as well on a technical standpoint.
I don’t think you’ll find many people that will agree that Sega Rally 3 is better when that video comes out! But it is a fun game for sure and I do enjoy it
Yeah I fully understand why the majority of us didn't click on Sega Rally 3 as much as we did with SR2. I sum it up by the lack of style and granular details.
It's a case where we can clearly notice the difference between a Japanese made and a western made arcade game, at least in that time.
I never realised until your video how slow the Dreamcast version was compared to the Model 3 and it's amusing to see the same thing happened on SR3.
The thing is…I like SR3. It’s in no way a bad game. It just doesn’t feel like a Sega Rally
you disappoint me........ no sega rally 2 deluxe footage........ its slightly different to sega rally 2, you should go play it now, that repsol escort really pops!! ;) great video :)
Maybe a bonus episode. Never know!
@@VideoGameEsoterica tremendous ;)
👍
I don't think these two comparisons with the arcade and DC versions are a bit unfair. You have the arcade at 4k resolution at 60 fps with the DC version running which looks like it's the native resolution. Also as far as I understand, they only spent 3 months converting the game but in my opinion they could have done a better job if they had more time. Overall I thought it was a good conversion wich could have been better.
It’s not a scientific comparison, just a visual one. But even then the DC version has been internally scaled
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah i know but, you could have had both versions at the same resolutions. Totally agree with the colours/lighting not being right. Anyway awesome video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I always assumed the DC version was a windows port. No way they used WindowsCE because it was the better than the native OS.
Probably speed to develop would be my guess
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah. I looked up release dates and PC came out after. Either way, I imagine they did it to speed up PC ports since Sega was doing a lot of them back then. Looking at other CE games, it doesn't seem the OS hindered performance and SR2 was just a rushed job. Oh well!
Yes Sega leaned on the PC market for a hot minute there
Everyone is saying it including your good self VGE, but honestly I think we need to constantly remind ourselves of this watershed moment in arcade technology!
Just look at what came out with model 3, SR2, Scudrace, Daytona USA 2… all with mind boggling graphics for their time!
Sega Rally 2 was probably the most playable of the above imo and the deluxe sit down of this was an absolute beast!!
Happy memories that can indeed be relived (to some degree) with supermodel!!🥰
Model 3 is my fav Sega platform hands down
I was never good at this game, but the Desert track music is secks-to-my-eardrums. Jun Senoue of Crush 40 composed that track. We had a Sega Rally 2 deluxe machine in Spartanburg at Mr. Gatti's until about 2011 or so when all their Model 3 games were being swapped with LCDs from their original projection screens. :\ Now it's closed. Graphically you could think the arcade version was from 2008 if you never played it! There was a PC port also that I downloaded way back when I was in middle school and that was actually fun to play.
As a collector of Model 3 related hardware, this runs on M3 Step 2.0 and it is one of the easier Step 2 games to convert from another game to since it does not use a security chip like the later games (Daytona 2, Star Wars, Spikeout, etc.).
I have a Virtua Striker 2 '99 ROM Board I've been wanting to set up as this game but one of the pins broke off the chips (27C322), and they're sadly a pain to solder back on! Fortunately I've been getting more patient and better at conversions after using the rest of my blank chips to set up Scud Race Plus (M3 Step 1.5) from regular Super GT. ;)
You can always drill back the epoxy a bit and solder to what’s left of the pin and jump it back into circuit by taking a bit of solder mask off the board where the leg would socket into it :)
I have the PC version of this, which I run on a PC I built with a Voodoo 3. I think it's a pretty good version - it's basically the same as the DC version, but without the performance issues. It runs perfectly on my system. I think possibly it can run at up to 75Hz, though I'm not sure about that. It also runs at a higher resolution than the DC version.
I tried getting the PC version running for the video but trying on a modern system just was not working sadly. I remember it being a good version though!
@@VideoGameEsoterica You might need a loader or patch or something like that to get it working on a modern PC. If that doesn't work, then it'd probably work through a virtual PC running Windows 98.
I need to set up a VM on my system at some point
I run this in 21:9 but it has a lot of issues, often I start the game and the Car Select screen shows no cars and same with stage select and all the pre-race options, sometimes it works fine, and I can't figure out what if is causing the inconsistencies.
Yeah never really meant to run at that aspect ratio but change your clock speed. The missing cars are caused by that
@@VideoGameEsoterica what clock speed to you recommend? I believe it defaults at 49 Powerpc Frequency (I assume that's the clock speed)
I believe I brought it up to 150 but I sat in my tutorial vid exactly what it is. Answering you from memory
To add my uninformed opinion of the lighting query, I noticed that seemingly all model2/3 games use full-bright textures and hard shadows. I suspect that for all the model3's polygon pushing grunt it couldn't do gouraud shading and texturing simultaneously? What lighting there is seems to be baked into the textures. One of the PowerVR's headline features and what reviewers talked about back in the PC add-in card days was its ability to do "lighting" which typically meant blending gouraud shaded polygons for vertex lighting with texturing + fog in a single operation. Like so many devs the DC porting team probably looked at all these options for fancy rendering and couldn't help themselves, telling the boss it would "look better" (and possibly run slower...)
Yes the hardware has diff features and while Model 3 can push tons of polys it can lack in other departments
I agree VGE. Sega Rally Championship may have been an iconic title for it's time in the mid-90's. But the squeal was better polished in just about every way possible.Haven't played this game in quite sometime. Now I have the urge to do so. 8^)
Anthony...
2 is number 1
Model 3 was bloody amazing but so prohibitively expensive it was sort of that tipping point where you saw barely any machines on location as operators just stuck with their Daytona 1 and Sega Rally 1 cabinets.
I mean 20K is a LOT of money to recoup
This could have been a lot better if they didn't use WIndows CE the other Racers on the console prove this.
Also the handling on the Dreamcast game is completely different to the Arcade original
It was an odd choice to use CE as not many games did
It's really interesting how muddy the Dreamcast colors are. Most DC games are usually quite vibrant.
It’s def a diff look than Model 3
My fav version was actually the win98 version. Too bad there's no way to play it on modern machines!
I tried to capture it for the video and yeah…no go on anything modern
Yep it was a great sequel
Yeah it was!
They made a sega rally 3?
They did :)
I can't run Sega Rally 2 like you do. Supermodel is so unstable.
Also I do think Naomi can punch above Model 3. I mean I think Ferreri 355 looks on par or even better than Model 2's Sega Rally 2 and Daytona 2001 can looks comparable to Daytona 2...
Unstable? Sure you are using the most recent build from the forums?
@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah, even change the resolution gave me problems. I'm trying to reinstall the emulator rn though
Yeah do a fresh install with the GUI. Shouldn’t be doing that
@@VideoGameEsoterica dude it works. So happy rn. Sega Rally looks amazing at 16:9
Nice. Glad that worked :)
I played the arcade version at a cinema not long ago and it had severe graphical glitches, it then crashed when I got to the snow level.
Oof. Board was tired. Sounds like overheating
Excellent game.
I think OG Sega Rally is my favorite arcade racing game. I found SR 2 easier and I prefer the handling of SR1, but even so it's a great follow-up.
Wish I'd gotten a chance to play them in arcades. Thankfully m2 and Supermodel exists. Though I hope MAME will eventually handle at least SR1 since M2 is already starting to bit rot.
Where did you hear bitrot for M2?
@@VideoGameEsoterica well one kind of "bit rot" besides data corruption is where the platform itself changes and a dead project can't adapt to them and any kind of weirdness results.
That kind of thing is inevitable with any kind of closed source project that no longer gets updated and it's expected to run on new revisions of a platform.
It's nothing too major right now for M2. But it's a kind of slow death that happens over decades. Windows has very good backwards compatibility, but it isn't perfect.
For a relevant example, any GPU workarounds that might have been written at the time may not be relevant in the current year. I may be misremembering, but I believe there were some for the AMD (ATI? I'm fuzzy on the timeline) at the time. ATI especially had notoriously bad OpenGL driver quality, and AMD inherited that.
Today, the situation isn't so dire for AMD (especially on Linux) but I get pretty terrible z-fighting with m2 on AMD hardware on hotd. I'm betting that wouldn't be the case if the M2 emulator were alive and could still adapt to changing conditions.
I'm starting to feel like 1 video each day just isn't enough.
Lol oh no. I am not increasing volume 🤣
Gorgeous game! Downloading the Model 3 emulator once again.
Always gotta keep it installed!
The main menu theme is stuck in my head, pretty catchy
It’s a banger for sure
I'd love a SuperModel emulator tutorial for Steam Deck. I just can't seem to figure it out since the Steam Deck is my first ever PC gaming experience. I was able to figure out the Emudeck stuff at least!
I am looking into it. Spoiler alert; it’s not easy
Please let us know what you did to get supermodel to work on steam deck
Once I feel confident in it I’ll do a video. Right now it’s still very hit or miss
SuperModel is a gift from gods !
It genuinely is
I wouldn't say this is quite Xbox 360 level graphics but is halfway between Xbox and Xbox 360 looking like a high end pc game from like 2003-2004 or about the same time Doom 3 came out on pc. It's got that pretty high end DirectX 9 look and this is based off of hardware that originally came out in 1996 which is crazy. There were two arcade systems that I remember as a teenager looking mind blowing being a generation and a half beyond anything you seen at home. Ultra 64 and Model 3.
And to think the Ultra 64 hardware wasn’t even remotely close to a N64 lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica they had about the same cpu but the N64 gpu in raw horsepower was significantly weaker but also had capabilities or graphical feature set beyond the Ultra 64 graphics chip. the texturing capability of Ultra was very similar to System 22 Namco hardware or Sega Model 2. the Ultra also had a huge advantage to running sprite based fighting games with an internal hard drive of over 100 megabytes. that's like 12x bigger than a standard n64 cartridge. I think the N64 could have pulled off the Ultra games more accurately especially KI 1 and 2 if it had 8 megs of ram natively and also had a slot in the pack to pop in hard drive based games like what KI needed to function properly. I would have much rather paid for a perfect port of KI 1 using a harddisk for 150 bucks then a shitty remix of KI 2 for 80 bucks. well shitty visually compared to the arcade.
Very disingenuous for Nintendo to pop an Ultra 64 label on it back in the day lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica What's funny is it is indirectly Nintendo's very own fault it couldn't end up naming the Nintendo 64 the Ultra 64 because of it's policies for third party publishers back in the days of the NES they only allowed a company to publish 5 games per year and for Konami to get around this they created the Ultra brand thus copy writing it and making it illegal for Nintendo to use it for the naming of their system about 10 years later. Metal Gear on the NES was the first "Ultra" branded game.
Nintendo has had some weird business practices
This is one of the Sega games some of my buddies clamor about and I haven't budged enough to check them out.
Budge. Do it!
Eventually I will. Once I feel like bringing out my steering wheel for some Gran Turrismo on the PSX core, I will have to also take a look at the model 2 Sega Rally since I'm a big fan of that arcade hardware.
Gotta make the time ;)
Loving the racing series.
What sort of PC hardware is needed to emulate with good quality?
Anything relatively modern in the last 5 years with a decent GPU will be fine
A 10y old CPU and almost any GPU can handle it. I could run it very easily on my Core 2 Duo PC and an ancient DX9 card.
Good frame of reference. I was prev using it on an i7 with a 1080 and now with an i9 12900k and a 3090
Never played the arcade version but the only DC game or anything DC related still in my collection is a JP copy of this.
I have the same copy. Def try the Model 3 version!
@@VideoGameEsoterica I need to try it at some point. I love racing games and the DC version was good.
You’ll love it I bet
The PAL version has a 60FPS code.
I have the Jap version but I have the PAL version on GDEMU and the DCDIGITAL mod.
It’s fun to have those options
I had an Akura for 10 minutes and sent it back. I do Dreamcast though S-video into the 5x. Looks fantastic.
Anyways I didn't know Super model could force 16:9. I've been playing it at sub HD. This, Scud Race, Daytona 2 and the GOAT Emergency call Ambulance.
I am debating whether or not to include Emergency Call Ambulance in the series...as its not EXACTLY a racing game...but I do love it
I'd say yes, Just for that part in the First level when another Ambulance drives it self into the ocean for absolutely no reason. It's pure Batshit insanity that makes Crazy Taxi look tame
Plus it takes place in Chicago and I love talking about Chicago based games
I assumed San Francisco based on the first level.
Nope. That ambulance drives into Lake Michigan haha. Literally the lake one block from where I am sitting now
Looks amazing.
It really is
Thanks for all your wonderful content, where was the initial shot of the racing cabs taken?
I actually had a friend shoot it...so zero clue. Dorfus...respond
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Oh but it was in the Portland Maine Round 1. They have a decent selection of more “modern” (non crt) Japanese cabinets.
which is funny because a few months later I was there with family...and didn't even notice it lol
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Why is the Dreamcast version so dark?
Just the "DC" look. Model 3 was always glowing vibrant colorful
I often wondered that myself. They pulled off Daytona USA nicely on the Dreamcast and most Sega arcade games have that recognizable bright sunny energy. I've had Sega Rally 2 since it came out and it still strikes me as odd for its visuals. To me it looks like you're participating in a rally race that takes place in the Brute Force universe. Luckily unlike Brute Force people actually remember and play Sega Rally 2 on Dreamcast.
Sega does weird things sometimes
@@VideoGameEsoterica It looks like the color settings were wrong, so washed out, and many DC games looked fine and vibrant.
It’s possible