As a South African I have to resist the urge to type a thesis about this case, so I'll just thank you for always being so objective. I usually tell prospective visitors, "Come to South Africa! Yes you might get bitten by a Great White shark, but you are much more likely to get stabbed in the parking lot".
@@jim409 our country is beautiful but this stays Africa and it is common for countries to become shit holes. We are basically a 1st world and 3rd world country in one. I'll never move even though I have dual citizenship Italian and South African. I live in KwaZulu-Natal region and I always say to people... THIS IS ZULULAND NOT DISNEYLAND 🤣🤣
As a British immigrant living years in beautiful South Africa, a few points: 1. South Africa has a terrible reputation in the UK, if a Brit was looking for somewhere to kill someone it would be an easy/lazy choice - you know the press will back you; 2. SA is not like much of Europe/USA ,you do not simply stumble upon the 'bad' bits of town, it is blindingly obvious if you are heading the 'wrong' way; 3. contrary to Dr Grande's opinion SA criminal's have no issue just killing you to rob you -its not like the 'west', no-one is pushed out the car, if they have a gun you get shot first, robbed after. If you're pushed out the car its because you paid for that privilege.
I have been carjacked 2ce and hijacked once, the hijackers had guns every time. There's nothing like the feel of cold metal on your forehead to make you focus on surviving for one more second and complying with everything they want.
Well said. My Auntie lived in Johannesburg for years and we visited many times. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is blindingly obvious where the "dodgy" areas are and thieves really don't give 2 fucks about killing you. There's no way in hell they would have let Shrien out of that car, he's a witness and they wouldn't have let him go so he could point them out to police! They are beyond ruthless and it's not personal, it's about money and self preservation. The probability that Shrien was involved is so high it's just that the police made a cock up of everything and are as corrupt as hell. Well said!
@@UnDark1 The nice parts are beautiful. You just need to keep clear of the crime ridden ones. Amazing country to visit. I love it there. My aunt owned a casino in Johannesburg in the 80s and early 90s and was a millionaire so we stayed in the rich parts with her. I'm no millionaire though, lol. Not by a long shot!
Yes indeed, agree with you one hundred percent, but in a court of law hard evidence was needed to convict the perpetrator, and sadly the prosecution could not produce any - hence, he was free to go.
I doubt any murderer is stupid enough to pay the contract killer money in public. It however is much more likely that the husband believes the driver to also be the victim of the crime and paid what he promised - R 1000 to drop them at the hotel.
The consensus in the UK seems to be that the husband was as guilty as hell - at the very least it would be interesting to know what was in that envelope he handed to the taxi driver after his wife's murder.
Probably because they are not used to life in third world countries. This scheme is very common. Tourist get kidnapped all the time and it usually involves a taxi driver who heard them speak english in the car.
@@eadweard. the envelope was after the murder . Also why would a gay guy marry a woman bring her to South Africa or go to a very impoverished dangerous part . Why didn’t they kill the man ?
I remembered when this case first broke .!! The fact was he was Gay and only wanted a wedding to please his family is very very sad .! But he deserves an Oscar for trying to convince the court that he was insane as not to be extradited to South Africa to stand trail
I recall this case. The gun was found in the van, they fought frequently and the husband met multiple times with the driver. He said his wife wanted to see the dodgy areas even though her friends and family said she would never suggest such a thing. The gunshot wound was consistent with a purpose for killing her. Everyone investigating the crime is sure the husband did it.
Hard to feel bad when she went for such shallow traits. Being rich doesn't make you trustworthy and being from the same culture won't guarantee your safety. I feel bad for her but she also knew he was closeted.
@@CP-ir3ft if he's afraid family would find out about his sexuality, why bother go thru marriage etc?..how does killing her solve all that..I'm still baffled..
@The Wraith possibly to rid the pressure (from his family) to marry once and for all? another youtuber has mentioned that she tried to end the relationship multiple times but he got her to come back to him.
I’ve been following you for a while. Im South African- it would be awesome if you do more content from our corner on the globe pls . This was a big one in South Africa . He chose our country because he knew hijackings are sadly not uncommon.
I'm Australian. I remember that some South African young man who had studied in Australia murdered his parents and brother one night? I think his name was Henry van Breda?
This case makes me soooooo angry!!!! I come from a very religious family and coming out as Gay was one of the hardest things I ever had to do but never in a million years would I enter a sham marriage to cover it up much less murder the poor girl. What a MONSTER!!! God Bless her poor family.
I have a neighbor that is in the closet he hasn't come out hes in his sixties we live in the South so it makes it even harder for him to come out. It saddens me to see him this way because I know hes living in his own hell. 40 years ago I knew someone who was gay he killed himself because his family disowned him because of their believes I am saddened about it to this day he was in his 20s. I congratulate you for coming out. You are who you are live who you are don't let others stop you from being you.
I rarely disagree with you Dr Grande, but I do on this one. I've watched and read a lot about this case. It's reported that Anni wanted to see all of Cape Town, even the bad and seedy parts so Shrien got the taxi driver to take them to the bad parts of town. Do EITHER of these people, Anni or Shrien, seem like the types that would want to see anything on their honeymoon other than glitz, glamour and expensive pampering? Nope. Not buying it.
But why would they go to SA in the first place. Why not Monaco or Paris, if they wanted to see only the glitz? Sometimes - immature - rich people like to visit the "peasants" while waring rich cloths and accessories, because it makes them feel superior. Does that sound like annie?
@@janakakumara3836 I think that's an excellent point! Maybe because he knew it would be easier to pass off the "murdered by ruffians" plot in S.A. than say, Monaco. (I am not trying to say that crime only happens in S.A. It is an amazing place with a variety of neighborhoods.) But I think Shrien thought that it would be easier to pull off there than say, Monaco or Paris.
There's no convincing me the husband wasn't guilty. I believe he felt being a widower was more palatable and made him look better than admitting he was gay. At best, his behaviour before and after the murder of his new wife was questionable, and he showed no sign of trauma. Even if he wasn't in love with her, surely the horror of the murder would have some emotional impact on him? He was only interested in himself. Guilty as, in my opinion.
Maybe he couldn't stand her and was relieved that she was dead and maybe he's a very selfish person... none of which means he arranged to have her killed.
@@cesarincamendozaloyola4407 have to wonder though did he come out of the closet on his own or was he dragged out of the closet because of his wife's murder.
"Theres no convincing me" that's your problem. You see that he is a man and assume he is guilty. I didnt think morons like you who judge cases based on arbitrary feelings rather than evidence existed. He was detached but that's a far cry from murder. The other could not keep their story straight.
I am from Cape Town and followed this case like I follow you Dr Grande. Day to day. This guy had his wife killed. How he got away with this murder is one of our lowest moments in SA courts. Her family was devastated and SA police and justice system failed them miserably. Rip Anni your life was taken to cover your husbands double life.
If you followed this case everyday - how did the driver's and all his co-conspirator's flip flops not raise your eyebrow? They were not paid the full money as discussed...so why did they initially only implicate themselves for armed robbery, kidnapping and murder of Anni, but changed testimony only after they consulted each other?
I think it is very possible he was guilty. The marriage was a perfect cover for his traditional family. The murder was a way for him to save face and continue the life he truly desired and also kept him single for a long time due to his "fake" grief. He could have hid the ring in the cab to recover it later since the crime was staged.
What your saying contradicts itself because you said he got married to cover his sexuality From his traditional family but you then said he killed her to save face and live the life he truly desired. What life was that if he married her for cover wouldn’t he just have affairs behind her back. Why kill her then try and live the life you desired when that life is shined by his tradition
I still remember this case so vividly, and couldn't understand why the husband would take her to Nyanga of all places (yes, that is one of the most dangerous places in the country). I am from Cape Town and two things struck me as strange, The husband travelled to Cape Town to hire men to kill his wife, when he could easily just have divorced her? He did his best to avoid his time in court and by some miracle wasn't convicted. By the way, her killers did sexually assault her far as I can tell from the initial reports brother. Thank you for this, excellent program as usual.
In the Indian culture homosexuality and divorce are both looked down. Obviously it does happen occasionally but that’s not something well accepted by society. There is a great emphasis on preserving tradition and the expected roles in society.
Guilty as hell. Funny how he is now in a homosexual relationship, he had Annie killed so he could carry on seeing men, he hid it from everyone because it's not "honorable or allowed" in his culture, but killing your new bride was easy to him. Despicable.
He should have just payed for a wife for hire. Both happy, both getting what they want out of it. Just become a good team as partners. Would be much easier I think.
That’s how I remember it from the time, he was hanging out at gay bars and was presumed guilty but his money saved him from prosecution. It was a lot in the papers here because she was living in my country before getting married.
Capetonian here, If you stay in the "tourist" areas you are going to be perfectly safe - they are well protected with private security and police. The outlying shantytowns known as "townships" are where things can get dodgy if you are a foreigner standing out.
Jhon klan Cape Town is one of the most beautiful cities in the world,but the difference between the touristy side and the poor neglected "townships" is glaringly obvious.
@@jhonklan3794 it's very obvious and intentionally very far from anything or any resources. Townships are typically 30 to 45 minutes away from more developed areas
For the 1st time I disagree with your opinion!!i have been following this case by different UA-camrs and all the evidence relayed always showed that the husband got away with murder and that is my opinion too
Hard to feel bad when she went for such shallow traits. Being rich doesn't make you trustworthy and being from the same culture won't guarantee your safety. I feel bad for her but she also knew he was closeted.
Sounds like he didn’t love, honor or cherish her one little bit. I don’t know if he’s guilty of murder but he’s definitely guilty of being an awful husband. I bet he would have fought harder to save his boyfriend.
@@jhonklan3794 I’m only stating my opinion. I believe that what the comment section is for. Funny, you actually sound very judgmental yourself . You’re definitely wrong about one thing, if my husband was in that situation they would have to kill me before I would have gotten out and left him alone. My husband would do the same.
@@jhonklan3794 so? LOTS of families in LOTS of cultures marry into similar financial families. She didn't deserve to die because she wanted someone with the same financial stability as her. Who Is the judgmental one here? or where you come from women are seen as less than women? He also married for money... It wasn't for the heterosexual relationship!
Happy to see you are talking about my country South Africa for a change 🤣🤣🤣 this was quite a big story that time here. And the funniest part was when the husband eventually tried to make as if he had mental issues
I’ve heard this case I think from Casefile. He’s beyond guilty. I get that certain actions doesn’t default to guilt but his actions during and after the fact doesn’t ease suspicion.
You've probably been emotionally influenced by Casefile's melodramatic narration and music. Describing him as "beyond guilty" - a nonsensical term - reinforces that view.
@@Richard_Straker the narrator is hardly melodramatic. He’s as neutral sounding as I’ve ever heard to make you comatose. But even you can’t dispute that his actions around the entire affair gives off suspicion of him being involved somehow. Again, how someone acts after something like this doesn’t mean they’re guilty, but it doesn’t make him look innocent either.
I remember the case very well as I live in Cape Town. Shrien Dewani was acquitted because of bungling on the part of the police and the unreliability of the witnesses. We have a shockingly high crime rate in South Africa, and several notorious murders have taken place in the past decade, by intimate partners and family members, purporting to be the result of random carjacking, robbery, etc. It is not a stretch to believe that Dewani was likewise ridding himself of his wife with hired assistance, and keeping his double life secret.
1400 GBP is close to R30 000 (South African Rands). Taxi drivers in South Africa earn around R3500 per month. Owners of minibus taxis earn around R25000 per month, which is considered an above average income for a South African. To put it into perspective, you can buy a second hand car for R30 000 in South Africa and police officers earn around R10 000 per month in our country. Thus, R30 000 / 1400 GBP is considered a relatively large sum of money. We have heard about "murder for hire plots" in South Africa for +-R6000. So please, don't think that the money is too little for the deed that was commited. Criminals have done more for less in South Africa. It is also very obvious where the dangerous areas are. I doubt that they went there by mistake.
This is one of those rare instances where Dr. Grande didn’t do his research. 1400 pounds may not buy you a hit man in Delaware, but it is more than enough to have someone murdered in South Africa (and quite a few other countries).
While this just looks like a horrible accident, it's quite possible that the husband was referred to the taxi driver before he even got to South Africa, which is how and why he met with him so many times. It's easily for all this to have been arranged before they even stepped foot in South Africa. Indians aren't clueless about dangerous parts of towns and they're definitely aren't going to ask to be driven there for sightseeing, and I don't believe they would have pushed him out of the car and kept his wife. I know the world has become more dangerous, but '91, I traveled to Egypt and we hired a cab driver to be our tour guide for a number of days, he took us to many sites before the tourists got there and we paid off the guards to let us in, we even met some of the locals and hung out with them. Each evening we paid him in cash because these guys want their money, they're not going to wait a period of days to be paid when people could easily take off and leave them hanging. Anyway, he did what we paid him to do. The fact that the husband's story kept changing just like the others makes him suspect.
I BELIEVE HE PLANNED IT BECAUSE HE ONLY MARRIED HER TO LOOK STREIGHT FOR HIS FAMILEY I BET HE HAD HER INSUARED THEN HE WAS LOOKED ON AS THE GREAVING HUSBAND
"Wealthy and Indian". SMH. Sometimes we don't have our priorites straight, and the rest seems unimportant. Yes he was wealthy and Indian, but also dishonest and neglectful.
I love your views. I wouldn't find it shocking if the husband wasn't behind it. He feared she would out him. I married an Indian. The stories I've been told about the grooms and family killing brides. It's very sad. Also, why would he take her to such a dangerous place.
Anonymous anonymous that's what I said why the heck with all the beautiful places around the world many right here in the United States but they're not Americans were they but oh my gosh there's Hawaii there's Dubai there's Japan there's France there is the castles of Europe there is Brazil and I'm sure there's some other places in Peru and Ecuador and at least used to be beautiful places to go that were safe why the heck would you take a new bride to South Africa on her y'all seeing him honeymoon unless you did expect something to happen or plan for something to happen the fact that he asked her to take off her engagement ring in one way is not really a bad deal because if he really loved her he knew that that would draw attention but I don't think since he was gay that that was what it was about he didn't want to lose the money that was a temporary engagement ring to make him look good I think he's guilty as hell
An important fact left out here: the texting between Shrien Dewani and the cab driver was shown to be taking place *WHILE ANNI WAS IN THE CAB ALIVE BESIDE HIM* - does that not change things significantly?! Why would he need to text the driver sitting right in the same car in front of them both? Let me guess.. he was planning another 'romantic surprise', right? God, I am so disappointed in how Dr Grande saw this case! I am (usually) a big fan :-(
As a South African, we sadly know many shot or stabbed for a cellphone or a couple of Rands. In this case, it's blindingly obvious what happened here, and Dewani literally got away with murder. It doesn't help that we have one of the most corrupt societies in the world, some of the police cannot read or write or drive, and are lazy to boot and life is cheap. Dockets lost or "lost", bribery is common, as is contamination of crime scenes. Trying to get the police to even open a docket for theft or domestic violence is a mission. This beautiful woman did not deserve the lack of justice she received.
Good morning Dr. Grande❣️ Thank you for the new video!! I can't even begin to explain to you how appreciative I am for your content. Every single video you put out is so interesting. You also have a very soothing way about you which I also love and appreciate.
I am wondering if Dr. Grande had considered he might have had contact with the Taxi Driver before coming to South Africa.... I followed this case right from the beginning and I believe he is indeed Guilty
The taxi driver angle alone doesnt prove he was guilty unless the phone calls and texts are suspicious. Lots of tourists do hire one taxi driver for the whole day or week and arrange an itinerary prior to the trip. He might have gotten the contact details for the taxi driver from a friend or relative who visited south africa in the past.
@@janakakumara3836 Divorce and the reason for divorce brings family shame. It is also seen as culturally bad or a taboo. Death is better than divorce in cultures like that. That's motive.
We have to look at the facts he's gay he married a straight white woman to make himself look you know respectable or you know whatever word you would choose to use but you know man and woman when in fact he wasn't interested in her at all except you know for everybody else's opinions of him to look good that right there tells you something something ain't wrong with this picture I mean right nothing right with this picture but anyway and then the most important thing besides all the other things that we're not we're not really ever going to know for sure but we do know that South Africa is very dangerous why the hell would you take your beautiful bride took place like that for a honeymoon there are probably millions of beautiful places and jungles and Hawaiian islands and beliefs and Jamaica I always think of Central America but there's places all over the world you know France of all places the romance capital of the world Dubai which I'm sure it's got to be out of sight to see why would you take her to South Africa if you really do have money unless he was going there to have some affairs with guys and he could have her killed and everybody thinks he's a good guy and they won't know about the affairs I mean just taking her to South Africa right there tells you there's an issue no man in his right mind would take a woman right now on a honeymoon if you look up the reputation of tourism for South Africa you would not take your bride there you would even go there yourself with your buddies probably much less your new wife I was all a plan to get his wife killed and he got Scott free
I'm so sorry for Anni. I personally think that even if Shrien didn't explicitly paid anyone for the murder of Anni, all his irresponsible actions make him guilty of this outcome.
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Unusual and wild story but also very sad. I know that South Africa is a dangerous place. Nobody wants to be out there at night time. I do agree with your analysis Dr. Grande and thank you for covering the case. 💙
Dear Dr G. A great analysis. It appears that its all about the headlines in South Africa. I couldn't live there. I visited in the early 1980 s and couldn't work out why folks weren't leaving. Its a pity - it is such a beautiful place. With scary amount of poverty and bad government. Pity that getting rid of apartheid hasn't really improved life for many.
Oh poor Anni, 😔 she could find any suitor of Indian descent, that’s wealthy and intelligent anywhere in the world if that was something she really wanted to One of her sister’s husband is Swedish.
Careful what you wish for right? Many narcissists are rich and good looking. Better qualities would be stability & kindness...not diagnosing, just speculating 😉
“Come to South Africa to meet all your murder-for-hire needs”! 😂😂😂 I literally laughed so hard I spit out the water I was drinking. Good one, Dr. Grande!! 😊
This case still makes me angry when I think of it. He is now on twitter sharing his “good deeds” .’Of course he’s hasa man who makes him soooo happy. He got away with murder. He’s never tried to communicate with the mourning family afterwards. Grrrr 😖
I have lived in Durban S.A before. I was in my 20s and I am Canadian. As a white foreigner I had to learn quickly- no jewelry in public - no watches - no phones 📵- no purse - the hardest was keeping quiet 🤐 all the time in public. I have a Canadian accent but most would think American in that area. That posed a large concern as some dislike Americans and/or they can view you as a potential hostage for cash from North America. It was a wonderful experience living there in other ways! The people were friendly and kind.
Every person I meet from South Africa tells me it is safe, you just have to stay away from the bad areas. When I ask if they have ever been a victim of a crime, they usually list a whole slew of offences - house break-ins, car thefts, carjackings, muggings, assault, and they often know people who have been victims of sexual assault or murder. Not an ideal place for a honeymoon.
I've heard this story so many times and, although the killers come across as liars who are not credible and the police seem as corrupt as hell, I can't help but get the feeling Shrien is somehow involved. Maybe it's because officers made such a cock up of the investigation and you never get a clear sense of what actually happened. I rarely disagree with Dr Grande, he tends to come to his conclusions in a reasonable, logical manner and examines the evidence fairly, but in this case I DO disagree. I wouldn't have convicted Shrien though, there's too much doubt and not enough valid evidence pointing to his guilt.
You’d be surprised that cops in most situations are right , corrupted or not. I think he chose South Africa to do her in, so he’ll have much better chances to get away with it. Not well planned, but it succeeded anyway.
@@fang3839 are they usually right, though? Look at the instances of unfair convictions in America. For a western country with a constitution that talks about fair treatment, equality and freedom it's a joke. God help me if I'm ever accused of something there and the police think I did it. Sometimes they ask for help from psychics and they frequently rely on lie detector tests. I mean, WTF? Do they know how to investigate? If the evidence isn't there then you don't prosecute, it's that simple. You don't then ask a fucking psychic to tell you who did it!
@@Lubedupsquid I've just realised how funny your "@" is? I'd ask what it means but I suppose it's self-evident, really. Laughed out loud in the middle of the grocery store!
you just have that bias that the husband did it, look at all the evidence and it becomes clearer that it was a robbery set up that went bad when they tried to rape her also.
When I saw "tourism killer" I got excited for a moment because I thought you were finally covering the serial killer Charles Sobhraj, the Bikini killer. I'm not familiar with this case, but it seems interesting. I'm really hoping you cover the case of Sobhraj at some point though!
I have a friend who is from South Africa and she told me that her entire family, including relatives, migrated to New Zealand due to unsafe conditions in South Africa. It does appear to be a dangerous place. Fantastic analysis as usual Dr. Grande, thanks for covering this case.❤️
@@rejaneoliveira5019 what an ignorant comment. My guess is that you have never been to South Africa. Just do your research, where not to go unaccompanied, and be street smart. Are you going to tell people not to go to America because of crime there? Brazil?
@@bthomson Have you ever been to South Africa? Where are you from? Little fun fact: many actually have honeymooned in South Africa and have not regretted one bit.
@@sonnat2515 I am Swedish, I would never ever go to SA. A vacation or honeymoon trip you want to relax, not have to think of what parts of the country is dangerous.
They supposedly choose South Africa for their honeymoon because S stands for Shrien and A stands for Anni. I can't understand why they picked luxury 5* hotel but were worried about taxi cost. 2 days ago there was a march in honour of murdered estate agent Lindsay Buziak. She was killed while showing property to a potential client and her killer is yet to be found. I would really like to see your opinion on that case.
"I can't understand why they picked luxury 5* hotel but were worried about taxi cost. " Because he is gujrati. The stereotype of gujrati people is that they will cut costs where ever they can. They like making money but not spending it. I can well understand why he went for the cheaper taxi then the hotel service.
As a South African I remember this case well. Initially I was convinced that he was guilty, but later I had my doubts. My main concern is the perverse incentives set up by the way plea bargains work in South Africa. Basically, if you can give the police a bigger fish then you can get a lighter sentence. There have been multiple cases where the perpetrators have concocted stories about "hits made to look like an unrelated crime" in order to lighten their sentences.
@@CL-we8tn I think so, I seem to recall he hired some hit-men to do it but there was lots of chaos with plea bargains. But I may be remembering it incorrectly.
Oh I followed this case a lot years ago, it was a shame. I lived in Uganda at some point during the pandemic. Some Asians did stay in Uganda and some returned. Thanks for covering this case Dr Grande.
Dr. Grande I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on this one. This husband had way too much motive to not be guilty here. He feared his wife would out him and could not handle a divorce as it would cause major issues with his family. Sad, sad story.
I have heard of South Africans visiting home being very aware of who follows you from the airport. Your luggage, passport are valuable to them. To be safe, don’t go straight home from the airport. Drive to a shopping mall first to make sure no one is following you, then head home. Sadly, these are things people do. It can already start as an inside job at the airport...going through customs...they know who has the goods ....call their contacts outside the airport with a description of your appearance, possessions you carry, your destination, address etc...their buddies are waiting follow you home.
Thank you, Dr, Grande for your analysis of the Anni Dewani case. I think that Shireen Dewani made a mistake when he hired a random taxi driver as a tour guide. South Africa has many accredited tour guides. An internet search would have put him in contact with a reputable professional who would never have recommended a nighttime tour of a dodgy township. According to Stats SA 15,8 million tourists visited South Africa in 2019 and not one of them died violently. South Africa is an incredible country to visit and as long as you listen to your tour guide you will have a wonderful holiday.
I'm curious I saw a documentary that explained there are road kidnappings 2x a week all across Africa. It is usually a kidnapping for money. Sometimes the person comes out dead even if ransom is paid. I would think this couple looking very rich were kidnapped with intention maybe to ransom the woman. By making contact with her husband later but she tried escape or posed a threat so they killed her. That or the husband was in corporation.
But was is a random driver when the driver worked for the hotel. He drove them outside of his work for the hotel but still was someone working in an official function there.
They sexually assaulted her and killed her. I would never go to South Africa, not to any country on that continent. I would like leave in a not dead state. 🇸🇪
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The truth IS the best option! Tangled web otherwise! So many lies and miscommunications! Starting with the "romance". Suspect to chose South Africa for honeymoon in the first place! Poor Anni!
Dr Grande Cape Town and the district townships are known for crime tourists never learn!!!! Even the cycling trails are dangerous! Pretoria South Africa 😇🙏🌍
This should not be called a tourism killer as her murder was planned in advance by her husband. He just brought her to South Africa, because he thought that he will be able to get away with it here. He did, not because the police did not find out what happened, but because he hired a brilliant advocate that created just enough suspicion that he could not have been found guilty. We, that live in South Africa and know the country, all know that he is guilty.
As a South African I applaud you for hitting the nail on the head. This is a hugely devisive case with most of South Africa wanting to believe Shrien was guilty. I work in the area the murder took place , and not one person on the the ground thought he was. All saw it as a naive couple who exposed there wealth to oppertunists. Thank you for you clear analisis
I think at best his version of events really did happen and he was happy as it got him out of the marriage. At worse, he got away with arranging her murder. But whatever the case he didn't love her and she deserved better. RIP Anni. Her poor family
Can you please do an analysis on Cheslie Kryst? I just can't wrap my head around how someone so beautiful, loved and successful could do such thing to themselves. All of that love around her wasn't enough to save her? Self love is so important.
As to the outcome, I suspect that he had something to do with this but I agree with the judge that the police did not make a case. The police did a great job of explaining how he would have hypothetically had a motive and how potentially he could have been involved, but they did not have any other evidence. I understand why people were mad at the judge, but I think the judge ended up making the right decision. And that stinks, because I don't think he is innocent.
So a highly educated millionaire offers a side gig to a stranger in a foreign country to save a couple bucks for the vending machine.🤔 Being educated, they would have known not to go near townships. Let alone tour one. At night. With a young lady in the car. Wearing diamonds. Seems the more information you add to this concoction, the mangier it gets. I don’t quite understand how Shrien reached some of these decisions if he wasn’t involved. Not to mention, a violent township would be the perfect place to camouflage a murder, but you're right; we can only speculate as we will never know. Thanks for a very thought-provoking analysis, handsome doc! Have a fantastic weekend!! 🥰
Yet being in a car did not protect them. I'm sure they were aware, or should have been aware that car jacking are a fairly frequent form of crime in any major city anywhere in the world but esp South Africa and esp at night.
This was a well thought out analysis and very objective. Many thought Shrien was guilty especially as one would never go sightseeing in a township settlement at night. No never! For some not even in the day! Once again my sympathy is with the parents who loved their beautiful daughter and lost her in a brutal manner. There is a pattern of you look. Best to be cautious and make very informed decisions about your safety in this beautiful country imho. Agree Dr Grande that this lady was let down by many.
It's not that unusual to hire a taxi for a whole day of sight-seeing. My Mom and I did the same thing in London. We paid the driver a flat rate for the whole day and he acted as our tour guide to all the major sites.
@jaelzion A taxi in London and a taxi in South Africa are completely different things! The 'taxi' referred to in this story is a minibus-taxi used by commuters and definately not the London type you are thinking of. Most of these minibus taxis are kept on the road by sheer grace and greed.
I live in South Africa. 1400 pounds in a lot of money for someone who lives in the area that they were car-jacked. In some places in SA, you will be killed for your cell phone.
As always Dr. Grande thank you for your analysis and humor. I see the comments inspired a great deal of discussion regarding countries, in some instances comparisons. While they are likely true experiences for those people it is but a sampling of the situation in each of the countries. Each place has pros, cons, and depending on our life circumstances we try to find where we feel our situation will be a good experience and usually cost savings for us. Many people move to places and then move back in 3-6 years, a visit is not the same as a permanent move. We don't learn much about the complex fabric of society on a visit. We are fortunate to live in a world where this sort of mobility is possible. We are fortunate to have the internet to research such things.
I've never been to SA but I know quite a bit about its history. I vividly remember some years ago a friend of mine here in the UK, an older hippie type woman, who visited some relatives there. When I asked what it was like I maybe expected some kind of enthusiasm about seeing a different culture, people or whatever. However what she did was just shake her head and say very little. It's was as if she'd seen a ghost. I'll never forget it.
It’s sad how things turned out for Ani but she had blinders on when selecting a husband. If she had looked for character first, not wealth, perhaps she would have found a more compatible husband.
Parents sometimes send these silent (and not so silent) signals to their daughters that they expect them to marry someone at least as well off financially as them or better yet, even wealthier than they are ... in other words, to "marry up". Maybe one should say, she should have stood up to her parents (and culture) better. Of course, one could say the same for the man (Shrien).
I live in SA. Her husband is gay. He ia living with a man right now. He had her murdered. I work on farm attacks and have gained some understanding as to how crime works in SA. Nobody in their right mind would go into a "location" unless it was on an organised tour where there would be some safety.
This is an excellent analysis of this case. I agree 100%. Most shows like Dateline (or similar ones and others) have described this case with a bias towards finding that the husband was guilty but got away with murder. This explanation makes much more sense than anything else I have watched about this case. Thanks, Dr. G.!
I have the feeling that all the men are guilty, including the husband Poor Anni. She needed a good friend to listen to her and give her advise before the trip to horror. I think the husband manipulated her and he was part of the murder. They were all involved! The taxi driver and the hotel recepcionist organized where, who and when. So sad for Anni. :(
I remember listening to the Redhanded podcast about this case a couple years ago and thinking the husband must have been guilty, but now I can't remember why. Oh well.
It's interesting. I have seen many videos on this case (british media) and all of them suported the view that husband was the murderer. Thank you for the update, probably more information has become public after his extradition. I definitely need to read further about it.
I'm surprised, Dr. Grande, that you came to this conclusion... Usually I do find your videos to be pretty well-researched and objective. However, here, I believe you may have overlooked the video footage from the hotel of the husband and the driver. At one point, the husband is walking into some sort of conference room in the hotel with a large white envelope. The driver happens to walk into the same conference room. The husband leaves without the envelope. Moments later, the driver leaves with the envelope. I'm not saying that this is definitive proof of anything, but it sure does add context. There were also shady text messages between the husband and the driver all throughout the ride, because the "car jackers" were late, and he seemed to be getting impatient. Also, I'm pretty sure living a double life is one of the first signs of disrespect in a relationship, let alone grounds for concern when the duped partner has been found shot dead on vacation while randomly perusing the ghetto while on said "vacation"...Idk, either way, I think this video deserves an edit. I mean that in the most constructive way possible, because I really do enjoy your videos. I just think this one is NOT a good representation of your channel.
He mentions the white envelope in the video, I'm watching the video later as I live in a different country, but at least the video I'm watching, he does mention the white envelope
Texting the taxi driver while being a passenger of said taxi? Instead of talking to him? That's just not a thing. It does not happen. Even disregarding the content of said texts this behaviour stands out as strange and uncalled for. When in a taxi, commonly driven by a stranger in an unknown area people might be sensitive to signs of the unexpected. If the taxi driver was to fiddle with his phone while driving some customers might question his competence. Whether voiced or not. sentiments like "We pay for this service you know, eyes on the road man!" might arise. What you'd not expect is for a passenger to text the driver and give him a reason to fiddle with his phone while driving. Certainly if one aspires to tell the story of what really happened one would have to supply a great explanation for why the husband texted the driver. If the husband plotted with the driver to kill the wife, well, that would explain it. But if one like Dr. Grande believes there was no conspiracy, then of course another explanation for this bizarre behaviour would have to be found.
You are the one being biased. The envelope was most likely payment for the driver being the driver. Or it's a separate envelope, the CCTV footage is not clear. There are no texts at all implicating him with the driver.
@@jhonklan3794 If the envelope was only payment for driving services (and not the murder that took place a day earlier) why would he need to secretly meet in a conference room? Why not just pay him out in the open? I imagine that if I were on vacation and had to pay a driver for his work throughout the week, I would likely meet the driver at the front of the hotel where he would probably pull up in his car, and hand him the envelope, thank him, and go back inside, and he would likely drive away... right? Who would walk into a conference room inside the hotel alone, wait for the driver to park and walk into the hotel, find the conference room, and pick up the envelope from there, as if they're not meant to be seen together? And yes, there were texts implicating conversation between the husband and the driver... if I remember correctly, the context was along the lines of "where are they" because the other two men involved in the plot (the ones with the guns) were late so the driver had to keep driving around and it was starting to look suspicious... there are other videos about this exchange on UA-cam, but I don't know how to link them here. Also ma'am/sir, I'm not attacking you personally, nor am I attacking Dr. Grande, so please show me the same respect... or don't, but then understand that this kind of interaction, where we cannot share our opinions freely without being personally attacked, is why we as a society are so divided! Civilized human beings should be able to talk without insulting each other... even if their opinions or ideas are different. Have a great day! :)
As a South African I have to resist the urge to type a thesis about this case, so I'll just thank you for always being so objective. I usually tell prospective visitors, "Come to South Africa! Yes you might get bitten by a Great White shark, but you are much more likely to get stabbed in the parking lot".
But is south africa under a dictatorship of some sort??
@@jim409 Not really, we have a stumbling, corrupt democracy.
@@jim409 No dictatorship at all.
@@jim409 our country is beautiful but this stays Africa and it is common for countries to become shit holes. We are basically a 1st world and 3rd world country in one. I'll never move even though I have dual citizenship Italian and South African. I live in KwaZulu-Natal region and I always say to people... THIS IS ZULULAND NOT DISNEYLAND 🤣🤣
@@aldostefanini1392 - Sounds like what the US is becoming……
As a British immigrant living years in beautiful South Africa, a few points: 1. South Africa has a terrible reputation in the UK, if a Brit was looking for somewhere to kill someone it would be an easy/lazy choice - you know the press will back you; 2. SA is not like much of Europe/USA ,you do not simply stumble upon the 'bad' bits of town, it is blindingly obvious if you are heading the 'wrong' way; 3. contrary to Dr Grande's opinion SA criminal's have no issue just killing you to rob you -its not like the 'west', no-one is pushed out the car, if they have a gun you get shot first, robbed after. If you're pushed out the car its because you paid for that privilege.
You nailed it. Very accurate. Hi Jack. I mean Josie
I have been carjacked 2ce and hijacked once, the hijackers had guns every time. There's nothing like the feel of cold metal on your forehead to make you focus on surviving for one more second and complying with everything they want.
Is this the type of place you want to live?
Well said. My Auntie lived in Johannesburg for years and we visited many times. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is blindingly obvious where the "dodgy" areas are and thieves really don't give 2 fucks about killing you. There's no way in hell they would have let Shrien out of that car, he's a witness and they wouldn't have let him go so he could point them out to police! They are beyond ruthless and it's not personal, it's about money and self preservation. The probability that Shrien was involved is so high it's just that the police made a cock up of everything and are as corrupt as hell.
Well said!
@@UnDark1 The nice parts are beautiful. You just need to keep clear of the crime ridden ones. Amazing country to visit. I love it there. My aunt owned a casino in Johannesburg in the 80s and early 90s and was a millionaire so we stayed in the rich parts with her. I'm no millionaire though, lol. Not by a long shot!
The video of the money exchange in the hotel room convinced me that he is indeed guilty.
Yes indeed, agree with you one hundred percent, but in a court of law hard evidence was needed to convict the perpetrator, and sadly the prosecution could not produce any - hence, he was free to go.
he had to pay the driver, he didnt know he was in on it.
I doubt any murderer is stupid enough to pay the contract killer money in public. It however is much more likely that the husband believes the driver to also be the victim of the crime and paid what he promised - R 1000 to drop them at the hotel.
The consensus in the UK seems to be that the husband was as guilty as hell - at the very least it would be interesting to know what was in that envelope he handed to the taxi driver after his wife's murder.
Probably because they are not used to life in third world countries. This scheme is very common. Tourist get kidnapped all the time and it usually involves a taxi driver who heard them speak english in the car.
I think he claimed it was money for the taxi and tour guide services.
@@eadweard. after the murder?!
@@zoeyelh Was it after murder?
@@eadweard. the envelope was after the murder . Also why would a gay guy marry a woman bring her to South Africa or go to a very impoverished dangerous part . Why didn’t they kill the man ?
I remembered when this case first broke .!! The fact was he was Gay and only wanted a wedding to please his family is very very sad .! But he deserves an Oscar for trying to convince the court that he was insane as not to be extradited to South Africa to stand trail
He never claimed he was insane. He claimed he had PTSD. Two completely different things.
I recall this case. The gun was found in the van, they fought frequently and the husband met multiple times with the driver. He said his wife wanted to see the dodgy areas even though her friends and family said she would never suggest such a thing. The gunshot wound was consistent with a purpose for killing her. Everyone investigating the crime is sure the husband did it.
That's what I said in my comment, too. I don't believe for a second that either one of them would want to see the "dodgy" parts of town.
And he he saved the ring but not his wife 🤯
Hard to feel bad when she went for such shallow traits. Being rich doesn't make you trustworthy and being from the same culture won't guarantee your safety. I feel bad for her but she also knew he was closeted.
@@brianalaundrie6192 men are free to pick women based on looks - doesn’t mean they deserve death 💀
@@brianalaundrie6192 you don't feel sorry for her or you wouldn't blame her for her own murder. You seem like a jealous, petty person.
Wow, this doctor must be the only person apart from the judge, who thinks the husband is innocent
This is a wild story and it's hard to believe that Shrien is innocent.
yeah no way he's innocent
But what was his motive?
@@ReneeBachtel he's gay or bi and wanted to get out of his marriage
@@CP-ir3ft if he's afraid family would find out about his sexuality, why bother go thru marriage etc?..how does killing her solve all that..I'm still baffled..
he was texting the driver while in the car with the driver and Anni. not sure why those texts weren't recovered
I feel for Anni - even if Shrien had nothing to do with it, he seems so grossly negligent in his behavior.
Well, she married for money
@The Wraith possibly to rid the pressure (from his family) to marry once and for all? another youtuber has mentioned that she tried to end the relationship multiple times but he got her to come back to him.
@The Wraith ppl have murdered for less...and things might be different if you are widowed from a traumatic event
@@panushjo well most people marry for money and it is no excuse to get killed.
@@panushjo and you know that how? She confided in you? You were such close friends?
I’ve been following you for a while. Im South African- it would be awesome if you do more content from our corner on the globe pls . This was a big one in South Africa . He chose our country because he knew hijackings are sadly not uncommon.
I'm Australian. I remember that some South African young man who had studied in Australia murdered his parents and brother one night? I think his name was Henry van Breda?
Yup - I have definitely put in a request for Henri van Breda 👍🏽
This case makes me soooooo angry!!!! I come from a very religious family and coming out as Gay was one of the hardest things I ever had to do but never in a million years would I enter a sham marriage to cover it up much less murder the poor girl. What a MONSTER!!! God Bless her poor family.
I have a neighbor that is in the closet he hasn't come out hes in his sixties we live in the South so it makes it even harder for him to come out. It saddens me to see him this way because I know hes living in his own hell. 40 years ago I knew someone who was gay he killed himself because his family disowned him because of their believes I am saddened about it to this day he was in his 20s. I congratulate you for coming out. You are who you are live who you are don't let others stop you from being you.
Well said!!!
@@Lifeletnothingholdudown I know another gay who still hasn't come out. His name starts with an f and ends with ufano.
I rarely disagree with you Dr Grande, but I do on this one. I've watched and read a lot about this case. It's reported that Anni wanted to see all of Cape Town, even the bad and seedy parts so Shrien got the taxi driver to take them to the bad parts of town. Do EITHER of these people, Anni or Shrien, seem like the types that would want to see anything on their honeymoon other than glitz, glamour and expensive pampering? Nope. Not buying it.
But why would they go to SA in the first place. Why not Monaco or Paris, if they wanted to see only the glitz? Sometimes - immature - rich people like to visit the "peasants" while waring rich cloths and accessories, because it makes them feel superior. Does that sound like annie?
Yes Dr. Grande dropped the ball on this one. hhmmmm
Don’t forget that he’s just forming a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence. Just his opinion, as well as yours. 🙂
@@janakakumara3836 I think that's an excellent point! Maybe because he knew it would be easier to pass off the "murdered by ruffians" plot in S.A. than say, Monaco. (I am not trying to say that crime only happens in S.A. It is an amazing place with a variety of neighborhoods.) But I think Shrien thought that it would be easier to pull off there than say, Monaco or Paris.
@@Bowiefan4ever Oh, I know! I respect Dr. Grande and his opinions very much! I'm just saying that I disagreed with him on this one.
There's no convincing me the husband wasn't guilty. I believe he felt being a widower was more palatable and made him look better than admitting he was gay. At best, his behaviour before and after the murder of his new wife was questionable, and he showed no sign of trauma. Even if he wasn't in love with her, surely the horror of the murder would have some emotional impact on him? He was only interested in himself. Guilty as, in my opinion.
Maybe he couldn't stand her and was relieved that she was dead and maybe he's a very selfish person... none of which means he arranged to have her killed.
He has gone out of the closet for some time
@@cesarincamendozaloyola4407 have to wonder though did he come out of the closet on his own or was he dragged out of the closet because of his wife's murder.
@@Lifeletnothingholdudown He was dragged out, for sure. The marriage was just a front for him.
"Theres no convincing me" that's your problem. You see that he is a man and assume he is guilty. I didnt think morons like you who judge cases based on arbitrary feelings rather than evidence existed. He was detached but that's a far cry from murder. The other could not keep their story straight.
I am from Cape Town and followed this case like I follow you Dr Grande. Day to day. This guy had his wife killed. How he got away with this murder is one of our lowest moments in SA courts. Her family was devastated and SA police and justice system failed them miserably. Rip Anni your life was taken to cover your husbands double life.
Looks like he paid off more than just the taxi driver.
If you followed this case everyday - how did the driver's and all his co-conspirator's flip flops not raise your eyebrow? They were not paid the full money as discussed...so why did they initially only implicate themselves for armed robbery, kidnapping and murder of Anni, but changed testimony only after they consulted each other?
I think it is very possible he was guilty. The marriage was a perfect cover for his traditional family. The murder was a way for him to save face and continue the life he truly desired and also kept him single for a long time due to his "fake" grief. He could have hid the ring in the cab to recover it later since the crime was staged.
And the money was his dad's so he had to please the dad by getting married.
What your saying contradicts itself because you said he got married to cover his sexuality From his traditional family but you then said he killed her to save face and live the life he truly desired. What life was that if he married her for cover wouldn’t he just have affairs behind her back. Why kill her then try and live the life you desired when that life is shined by his tradition
@LD Phoenix he would forever have the cover of being a widow, he was forced to go through with the marriage by his family and wanted out....
“Returning home in a non-alive state would obviously be less desirable.” Brilliant
I still have my suspicions about the husband that I just cannot seem to let go.
Agreed!
Rich Indian very danger people.
bias against men. i bet if it was her female friend you wouldnt think the same
I still remember this case so vividly, and couldn't understand why the husband would take her to Nyanga of all places (yes, that is one of the most dangerous places in the country). I am from Cape Town and two things struck me as strange, The husband travelled to Cape Town to hire men to kill his wife, when he could easily just have divorced her? He did his best to avoid his time in court and by some miracle wasn't convicted. By the way, her killers did sexually assault her far as I can tell from the initial reports brother. Thank you for this, excellent program as usual.
Because in the Indian culture you cannot be gay. Having her killed would get the pressure off him about finding a suitable wife for a while.
In the Indian culture homosexuality and divorce are both looked down. Obviously it does happen occasionally but that’s not something well accepted by society. There is a great emphasis on preserving tradition and the expected roles in society.
Never mind sexual preference. Divorce doesn't exist in Indian culture. Marriage is forever.
And good Lord, Nyanga, is that where he took her.... 👀
You are so right, I stay in South Africa and I will never put my foot 👣 in that place, it is to dangerous.
Guilty as hell. Funny how he is now in a homosexual relationship, he had Annie killed so he could carry on seeing men, he hid it from everyone because it's not "honorable or allowed" in his culture, but killing your new bride was easy to him. Despicable.
He is a queen and the queens tend to be vicious!
He should have just payed for a wife for hire.
Both happy, both getting what they want out of it. Just become a good team as partners. Would be much easier I think.
That’s how I remember it from the time, he was hanging out at gay bars and was presumed guilty but his money saved him from prosecution.
It was a lot in the papers here because she was living in my country before getting married.
@@MrBjorn6 🤣🤣🤣
@@MrBjorn6 are you quite well?
Capetonian here, If you stay in the "tourist" areas you are going to be perfectly safe - they are well protected with private security and police. The outlying shantytowns known as "townships" are where things can get dodgy if you are a foreigner standing out.
@@suzygirl1843 well they're foreigners, they cant be expected to know which places are safe or not.
Jhon klan Cape Town is one of the most beautiful cities in the world,but the difference between the touristy side and the poor neglected "townships" is glaringly obvious.
@@jhonklan3794 it's very obvious and intentionally very far from anything or any resources. Townships are typically 30 to 45 minutes away from more developed areas
Poverty is Hell !!
For the 1st time I disagree with your opinion!!i have been following this case by different UA-camrs and all the evidence relayed always showed that the husband got away with murder and that is my opinion too
Wow all that research you did, I’m impressed
This tale is horrifying and what a plot twist about the husband.
On another note, Dr. Grande is the best at bringing these case analysis to life!
That murdered lady was NOT out to MARRY for MONEY DEAR GOOD DOCTEUR !!!!
@@seankarriker9653 Dr. Grande never said that she was out to marry for money.
@@seankarriker9653 Well she definitely didn't want to marry a broke Indian man 🤔
Hard to feel bad when she went for such shallow traits. Being rich doesn't make you trustworthy and being from the same culture won't guarantee your safety. I feel bad for her but she also knew he was closeted.
Sounds like he didn’t love, honor or cherish her one little bit. I don’t know if he’s guilty of murder but he’s definitely guilty of being an awful husband. I bet he would have fought harder to save his boyfriend.
@@jellyfishi_ Don’t be stupid
@@jellyfishi_ men kill women all the time. Esp in heterosexual relationships. Are they satanic?
Why are you so judgemental? They had guns pointed at them, I doubt u would do anything to save ur spouse in that situation. Plus she married him for $
@@jhonklan3794 I’m only stating my opinion. I believe that what the comment section is for. Funny, you actually sound very judgmental yourself . You’re definitely wrong about one thing, if my husband was in that situation they would have to kill me before I would have gotten out and left him alone. My husband would do the same.
@@jhonklan3794 so? LOTS of families in LOTS of cultures marry into similar financial families. She didn't deserve to die because she wanted someone with the same financial stability as her. Who Is the judgmental one here? or where you come from women are seen as less than women? He also married for money... It wasn't for the heterosexual relationship!
Happy to see you are talking about my country South Africa for a change 🤣🤣🤣 this was quite a big story that time here. And the funniest part was when the husband eventually tried to make as if he had mental issues
I’ve heard this case I think from Casefile. He’s beyond guilty. I get that certain actions doesn’t default to guilt but his actions during and after the fact doesn’t ease suspicion.
You've probably been emotionally influenced by Casefile's melodramatic narration and music. Describing him as "beyond guilty" - a nonsensical term - reinforces that view.
@@Richard_Straker the narrator is hardly melodramatic. He’s as neutral sounding as I’ve ever heard to make you comatose. But even you can’t dispute that his actions around the entire affair gives off suspicion of him being involved somehow. Again, how someone acts after something like this doesn’t mean they’re guilty, but it doesn’t make him look innocent either.
Totally agree.
@@HufflinPuffs lol this is why I listen to casefiles videos on 1.5x speed. Then I don't fall asleep
@@cadavher don’t blame you. I love the content but I have to do something else when I listen to it. Driving is a big no no. Lol
I remember the case very well as I live in Cape Town. Shrien Dewani was acquitted because of bungling on the part of the police and the unreliability of the witnesses. We have a shockingly high crime rate in South Africa, and several notorious murders have taken place in the past decade, by intimate partners and family members, purporting to be the result of random carjacking, robbery, etc. It is not a stretch to believe that Dewani was likewise ridding himself of his wife with hired assistance, and keeping his double life secret.
1400 GBP is close to R30 000 (South African Rands). Taxi drivers in South Africa earn around R3500 per month. Owners of minibus taxis earn around R25000 per month, which is considered an above average income for a South African. To put it into perspective, you can buy a second hand car for R30 000 in South Africa and police officers earn around R10 000 per month in our country. Thus, R30 000 / 1400 GBP is considered a relatively large sum of money. We have heard about "murder for hire plots" in South Africa for +-R6000. So please, don't think that the money is too little for the deed that was commited. Criminals have done more for less in South Africa. It is also very obvious where the dangerous areas are. I doubt that they went there by mistake.
Sensible facts and figures.
This is one of those rare instances where Dr. Grande didn’t do his research. 1400 pounds may not buy you a hit man in Delaware, but it is more than enough to have someone murdered in South Africa (and quite a few other countries).
While this just looks like a horrible accident, it's quite possible that the husband was referred to the taxi driver before he even got to South Africa, which is how and why he met with him so many times. It's easily for all this to have been arranged before they even stepped foot in South Africa. Indians aren't clueless about dangerous parts of towns and they're definitely aren't going to ask to be driven there for sightseeing, and I don't believe they would have pushed him out of the car and kept his wife. I know the world has become more dangerous, but '91, I traveled to Egypt and we hired a cab driver to be our tour guide for a number of days, he took us to many sites before the tourists got there and we paid off the guards to let us in, we even met some of the locals and hung out with them. Each evening we paid him in cash because these guys want their money, they're not going to wait a period of days to be paid when people could easily take off and leave them hanging. Anyway, he did what we paid him to do. The fact that the husband's story kept changing just like the others makes him suspect.
I BELIEVE HE PLANNED IT BECAUSE HE ONLY MARRIED HER TO LOOK STREIGHT FOR HIS FAMILEY I BET HE HAD HER INSUARED THEN HE WAS LOOKED ON AS THE GREAVING HUSBAND
Agree with you on this. Also why let him go when he could identify them? This husband definitely had something to do with this.
"Wealthy and Indian". SMH. Sometimes we don't have our priorites straight, and the rest seems unimportant. Yes he was wealthy and Indian, but also dishonest and neglectful.
And totally non-transparent about his sexuality! Imagine wooing a young woman when you knew you were obviously wrong for her!
You forgot to add murderer!!!
I love your views. I wouldn't find it shocking if the husband wasn't behind it. He feared she would out him. I married an Indian. The stories I've been told about the grooms and family killing brides. It's very sad. Also, why would he take her to such a dangerous place.
Anonymous anonymous that's what I said why the heck with all the beautiful places around the world many right here in the United States but they're not Americans were they but oh my gosh there's Hawaii there's Dubai there's Japan there's France there is the castles of Europe there is Brazil and I'm sure there's some other places in Peru and Ecuador and at least used to be beautiful places to go that were safe why the heck would you take a new bride to South Africa on her y'all seeing him honeymoon unless you did expect something to happen or plan for something to happen the fact that he asked her to take off her engagement ring in one way is not really a bad deal because if he really loved her he knew that that would draw attention but I don't think since he was gay that that was what it was about he didn't want to lose the money that was a temporary engagement ring to make him look good I think he's guilty as hell
@@karenking5357 I love your point of view my mother'n'law's uncle was skinned alive and then killed in South Africa years ago. It was brutal
@@AnonymousAnonymous-oi2pl what the heck, that's a horror story, what a terrible way to die, I'm very sorry for your family....do you live in SA?
An important fact left out here: the texting between Shrien Dewani and the cab driver was shown to be taking place *WHILE ANNI WAS IN THE CAB ALIVE BESIDE HIM* - does that not change things significantly?! Why would he need to text the driver sitting right in the same car in front of them both? Let me guess.. he was planning another 'romantic surprise', right? God, I am so disappointed in how Dr Grande saw this case! I am (usually) a big fan :-(
As a South African, we sadly know many shot or stabbed for a cellphone or a couple of Rands. In this case, it's blindingly obvious what happened here, and Dewani literally got away with murder. It doesn't help that we have one of the most corrupt societies in the world, some of the police cannot read or write or drive, and are lazy to boot and life is cheap. Dockets lost or "lost", bribery is common, as is contamination of crime scenes. Trying to get the police to even open a docket for theft or domestic violence is a mission. This beautiful woman did not deserve the lack of justice she received.
Maybe she should have studied his character more than his bank balance. Her greed was her downfall.
@@DessieTots what is the point of your comment, it has bigger all to do with mine?
So nice to hear you talk about South Africa, albeit under these circumstances.
I strongly believe that her husband was guilty
Good morning Dr. Grande❣️ Thank you for the new video!! I can't even begin to explain to you how appreciative I am for your content. Every single video you put out is so interesting. You also have a very soothing way about you which I also love and appreciate.
I am wondering if Dr. Grande had considered he might have had contact with the Taxi Driver before coming to South Africa.... I followed this case right from the beginning and I believe he is indeed Guilty
The taxi driver angle alone doesnt prove he was guilty unless the phone calls and texts are suspicious. Lots of tourists do hire one taxi driver for the whole day or week and arrange an itinerary prior to the trip. He might have gotten the contact details for the taxi driver from a friend or relative who visited south africa in the past.
I completely thought you’d say he was guilty in reality. He was texting his driver while he was in the vehicle.
He sure looks guilty to me but there is reasonable doubt
@@cathyd74 i don't see a motive here. it looks like both of them were going to divorce anytime soon. and he clearly did not need her money.
@@janakakumara3836 Divorce and the reason for divorce brings family shame. It is also seen as culturally bad or a taboo. Death is better than divorce in cultures like that. That's motive.
@@chocolateearrings Exactly.
We have to look at the facts he's gay he married a straight white woman to make himself look you know respectable or you know whatever word you would choose to use but you know man and woman when in fact he wasn't interested in her at all except you know for everybody else's opinions of him to look good that right there tells you something something ain't wrong with this picture I mean right nothing right with this picture but anyway and then the most important thing besides all the other things that we're not we're not really ever going to know for sure but we do know that South Africa is very dangerous why the hell would you take your beautiful bride took place like that for a honeymoon there are probably millions of beautiful places and jungles and Hawaiian islands and beliefs and Jamaica I always think of Central America but there's places all over the world you know France of all places the romance capital of the world Dubai which I'm sure it's got to be out of sight to see why would you take her to South Africa if you really do have money unless he was going there to have some affairs with guys and he could have her killed and everybody thinks he's a good guy and they won't know about the affairs I mean just taking her to South Africa right there tells you there's an issue no man in his right mind would take a woman right now on a honeymoon if you look up the reputation of tourism for South Africa you would not take your bride there you would even go there yourself with your buddies probably much less your new wife I was all a plan to get his wife killed and he got Scott free
I'm so sorry for Anni. I personally think that even if Shrien didn't explicitly paid anyone for the murder of Anni, all his irresponsible actions make him guilty of this outcome.
Rich, good looking, Indian...all stellar qualities to get married in two months...recipe for disaster😑 I lean towards murder for hire. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟
Hello, my friend, how are you going? No nastys today, great. Love your comment from Julianne aka Cotton tails . 😀❤💙💚💗🌷🌸🌹🍀
@@cottontails9003 Hello Julianne, AKA CT😉💕. I am ok thx. Yes no nasties today, gosh, it's a miracle!!🤐🤪😬😊You have a wonderful day friend..always appreciate your replying 🤗💙💙💛💛🌹🌵🍀🍬🍭🌞🌈
Why wouldn’t those qualities be “stellar”? 🤨
@@MsLax45 Look how it turned out. My pt was other qualities as important...those are superficial.
Unusual and wild story but also very sad. I know that South Africa is a dangerous place. Nobody wants to be out there at night time. I do agree with your analysis Dr. Grande and thank you for covering the case. 💙
Dear Dr G. A great analysis. It appears that its all about the headlines in South Africa. I couldn't live there. I visited in the early 1980 s and couldn't work out why folks weren't leaving. Its a pity - it is such a beautiful place. With scary amount of poverty and bad government. Pity that getting rid of apartheid hasn't really improved life for many.
Anni had INITIAL strong doubts about getting married.
If you have doubt …. there is no doubt.
Oh poor Anni, 😔 she could find any suitor of Indian descent, that’s wealthy and intelligent anywhere in the world if that was something she really wanted to
One of her sister’s husband is Swedish.
Careful what you wish for right? Many narcissists are rich and good looking. Better qualities would be stability & kindness...not diagnosing, just speculating 😉
@@zenawarrior7442 those are usually trust fund brats that will end up squandering the family money
@@PungiFungi True. They haven't struggled and are entitled so blow thru $ and people too.
“Come to South Africa to meet all your murder-for-hire needs”! 😂😂😂 I literally laughed so hard I spit out the water I was drinking. Good one, Dr. Grande!! 😊
As a South African I don't think it's funny,it's like saying come to America if you need a black person to be killed by police
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This case still makes me angry when I think of it. He is now on twitter sharing his “good deeds” .’Of course he’s hasa man who makes him soooo happy. He got away with murder. He’s never tried to communicate with the mourning family afterwards. Grrrr 😖
@1204StrikesBack. Bc he obviously did..and has an expensive pr firm..but people are not stupid..It's obvious..
Thanks, Dr. Grande.
Happy Friday! I hope you and everyone else has a lovely weekend!!!
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Hi Dr. Grande thank you for this analysis. I guess the big question for me is why was Shrien meeting up with the taxi driver so much? Weird.
I have lived in Durban S.A before. I was in my 20s and I am Canadian. As a white foreigner I had to learn quickly- no jewelry in public - no watches - no phones 📵- no purse - the hardest was keeping quiet 🤐 all the time in public.
I have a Canadian accent but most would think American in that area. That posed a large concern as some dislike Americans and/or they can view you as a potential hostage for cash from North America.
It was a wonderful experience living there in other ways! The people were friendly and kind.
Every person I meet from South Africa tells me it is safe, you just have to stay away from the bad areas. When I ask if they have ever been a victim of a crime, they usually list a whole slew of offences - house break-ins, car thefts, carjackings, muggings, assault, and they often know people who have been victims of sexual assault or murder. Not an ideal place for a honeymoon.
I've heard this story so many times and, although the killers come across as liars who are not credible and the police seem as corrupt as hell, I can't help but get the feeling Shrien is somehow involved. Maybe it's because officers made such a cock up of the investigation and you never get a clear sense of what actually happened. I rarely disagree with Dr Grande, he tends to come to his conclusions in a reasonable, logical manner and examines the evidence fairly, but in this case I DO disagree. I wouldn't have convicted Shrien though, there's too much doubt and not enough valid evidence pointing to his guilt.
You’d be surprised that cops in most situations are right , corrupted or not. I think he chose South Africa to do her in, so he’ll have much better chances to get away with it. Not well planned, but it succeeded anyway.
@@fang3839 this is the most wrong thing I’ve ever read (the first part)
@@fang3839 are they usually right, though? Look at the instances of unfair convictions in America. For a western country with a constitution that talks about fair treatment, equality and freedom it's a joke. God help me if I'm ever accused of something there and the police think I did it. Sometimes they ask for help from psychics and they frequently rely on lie detector tests. I mean, WTF? Do they know how to investigate? If the evidence isn't there then you don't prosecute, it's that simple. You don't then ask a fucking psychic to tell you who did it!
@@Lubedupsquid I've just realised how funny your "@" is? I'd ask what it means but I suppose it's self-evident, really. Laughed out loud in the middle of the grocery store!
you just have that bias that the husband did it, look at all the evidence and it becomes clearer that it was a robbery set up that went bad when they tried to rape her also.
Greetings from South Africa! It is safe here, please don't stop coming.
When I saw "tourism killer" I got excited for a moment because I thought you were finally covering the serial killer Charles Sobhraj, the Bikini killer.
I'm not familiar with this case, but it seems interesting. I'm really hoping you cover the case of Sobhraj at some point though!
There's a great miniseries on him on either Hulu or Netflix. It was very well done.
I love Dr grande. He is always calm and presents video intelligently
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I have a friend who is from South Africa and she told me that her entire family, including relatives, migrated to New Zealand due to unsafe conditions in South Africa. It does appear to be a dangerous place.
Fantastic analysis as usual Dr. Grande, thanks for covering this case.❤️
Hi Rejane! Yes! Why choose SA for your honeymoon? Just too many questions about this bridegroom!
@@bthomson I agree! There are so many other options, especially if one has the money to spend.😅
@@rejaneoliveira5019 what an ignorant comment. My guess is that you have never been to South Africa. Just do your research, where not to go unaccompanied, and be street smart. Are you going to tell people not to go to America because of crime there? Brazil?
@@bthomson Have you ever been to South Africa? Where are you from? Little fun fact: many actually have honeymooned in South Africa and have not regretted one bit.
@@sonnat2515 I am Swedish, I would never ever go to SA. A vacation or honeymoon trip you want to relax, not have to think of what parts of the country is dangerous.
They supposedly choose South Africa for their honeymoon because S stands for Shrien and A stands for Anni. I can't understand why they picked luxury 5* hotel but were worried about taxi cost.
2 days ago there was a march in honour of murdered estate agent Lindsay Buziak. She was killed while showing property to a potential client and her killer is yet to be found. I would really like to see your opinion on that case.
"I can't understand why they picked luxury 5* hotel but were worried about taxi cost. " Because he is gujrati. The stereotype of gujrati people is that they will cut costs where ever they can. They like making money but not spending it. I can well understand why he went for the cheaper taxi then the hotel service.
@@WellISaidIt kind of like splurge on some but cut back on others so the cost will balance out in the end.
As a South African I remember this case well. Initially I was convinced that he was guilty, but later I had my doubts. My main concern is the perverse incentives set up by the way plea bargains work in South Africa. Basically, if you can give the police a bigger fish then you can get a lighter sentence. There have been multiple cases where the perpetrators have concocted stories about "hits made to look like an unrelated crime" in order to lighten their sentences.
This makes me think of the Brett Kebble case. What a convoluted mess that was.
Standard procedure my maat. Jy behoort te weet by nou🤣🤣🤣
@@d.awdreygore wait kebble orchestrated his own suicide right?
@@CL-we8tn I think so, I seem to recall he hired some hit-men to do it but there was lots of chaos with plea bargains. But I may be remembering it incorrectly.
Wtf of course the husband orchestrated her murder and of course the south African authorities just let him leave the country go figure
Oh I followed this case a lot years ago, it was a shame.
I lived in Uganda at some point during the pandemic.
Some Asians did stay in Uganda and some returned.
Thanks for covering this case Dr Grande.
Dr. Grande I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on this one. This husband had way too much motive to not be guilty here. He feared his wife would out him and could not handle a divorce as it would cause major issues with his family. Sad, sad story.
I have heard of South Africans visiting home being very aware of who follows you from the airport. Your luggage, passport are valuable to them. To be safe, don’t go straight home from the airport. Drive to a shopping mall first to make sure no one is following you, then head home. Sadly, these are things people do. It can already start as an inside job at the airport...going through customs...they know who has the goods ....call their contacts outside the airport with a description of your appearance, possessions you carry, your destination, address etc...their buddies are waiting follow you home.
Thank you, Dr, Grande for your analysis of the Anni Dewani case. I think that Shireen Dewani made a mistake when he hired a random taxi driver as a tour guide. South Africa has many accredited tour guides. An internet search would have put him in contact with a reputable professional who would never have recommended a nighttime tour of a dodgy township. According to Stats SA 15,8 million tourists visited South Africa in 2019 and not one of them died violently. South Africa is an incredible country to visit and as long as you listen to your tour guide you will have a wonderful holiday.
yeah, but do they advertise murder for hire on the internet?
I'm curious I saw a documentary that explained there are road kidnappings 2x a week all across Africa. It is usually a kidnapping for money. Sometimes the person comes out dead even if ransom is paid. I would think this couple looking very rich were kidnapped with intention maybe to ransom the woman. By making contact with her husband later but she tried escape or posed a threat so they killed her. That or the husband was in corporation.
But was is a random driver when the driver worked for the hotel. He drove them outside of his work for the hotel but still was someone working in an official function there.
They sexually assaulted her and killed her. I would never go to South Africa, not to any country on that continent. I would like leave in a not dead state. 🇸🇪
Dr. Grande, I must congratulate you on the most awesome visual and audio quality you are providing for your latest videos. I look forward to and enjoy your informative opinions tremendously, especially the subtle satire. The content, quality and frequency of your videos is much appreciated. 🙌
The truth IS the best option! Tangled web otherwise! So many lies and miscommunications! Starting with the "romance". Suspect to chose South Africa for honeymoon in the first place! Poor Anni!
When my day is stressful, a Dr Grande analysis takes it right away! Today's story made me feel not so bad about my anxiety, most definitely!
Have a lovely weekend, Emily.
Dr Grande Cape Town and the district townships are known for crime tourists never learn!!!! Even the cycling trails are dangerous! Pretoria South Africa 😇🙏🌍
Hey! Pretoria is no better! 😉
But no, you want to be picky, stay on your side of the Jukskei 😜
This should not be called a tourism killer as her murder was planned in advance by her husband. He just brought her to South Africa, because he thought that he will be able to get away with it here. He did, not because the police did not find out what happened, but because he hired a brilliant advocate that created just enough suspicion that he could not have been found guilty. We, that live in South Africa and know the country, all know that he is guilty.
As a South African I applaud you for hitting the nail on the head. This is a hugely devisive case with most of South Africa wanting to believe Shrien was guilty. I work in the area the murder took place , and not one person on the the ground thought he was. All saw it as a naive couple who exposed there wealth to oppertunists. Thank you for you clear analisis
Poor Anni. She must have felt pressured to marry someone, and too quickly..
I think at best his version of events really did happen and he was happy as it got him out of the marriage. At worse, he got away with arranging her murder. But whatever the case he didn't love her and she deserved better. RIP Anni. Her poor family
Crazy place to take your honeymoon. That in and of itself is suspicious.
Can you please do an analysis on Cheslie Kryst? I just can't wrap my head around how someone so beautiful, loved and successful could do such thing to themselves. All of that love around her wasn't enough to save her? Self love is so important.
I suspect Cheslie was transgender and perhaps could no longer deal with hiding it.
Groom wearing bindi in the wedding should have been the biggest red flag.
Spot on analysis.
I live in South Africa.
I was waiting for Dr. Grande to analyze this case. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
As to the outcome, I suspect that he had something to do with this but I agree with the judge that the police did not make a case. The police did a great job of explaining how he would have hypothetically had a motive and how potentially he could have been involved, but they did not have any other evidence. I understand why people were mad at the judge, but I think the judge ended up making the right decision.
And that stinks, because I don't think he is innocent.
She ignored her intuition; it cost her life
Thanks for your video Dr. Grande
So a highly educated millionaire offers a side gig to a stranger in a foreign country to save a couple bucks for the vending machine.🤔 Being educated, they would have known not to go near townships. Let alone tour one. At night. With a young lady in the car. Wearing diamonds. Seems the more information you add to this concoction, the mangier it gets. I don’t quite understand how Shrien reached some of these decisions if he wasn’t involved. Not to mention, a violent township would be the perfect place to camouflage a murder, but you're right; we can only speculate as we will never know. Thanks for a very thought-provoking analysis, handsome doc! Have a fantastic weekend!! 🥰
Yet being in a car did not protect them. I'm sure they were aware, or should have been aware that car jacking are a fairly frequent form of crime in any major city anywhere in the world but esp South Africa and esp at night.
This case, just as many of the other cases, makes my gut churn.
Dr G seems so calm, cool ,and collective ..
This was a well thought out analysis and very objective.
Many thought Shrien was guilty especially as one would never go sightseeing in a township settlement at night. No never! For some not even in the day!
Once again my sympathy is with the parents who loved their beautiful daughter and lost her in a brutal manner.
There is a pattern of you look.
Best to be cautious and make very informed decisions about your safety in this beautiful country imho.
Agree Dr Grande that this lady was let down by many.
It's not that unusual to hire a taxi for a whole day of sight-seeing. My Mom and I did the same thing in London. We paid the driver a flat rate for the whole day and he acted as our tour guide to all the major sites.
@jaelzion A taxi in London and a taxi in South Africa are completely different things! The 'taxi' referred to in this story is a minibus-taxi used by commuters and definately not the London type you are thinking of. Most of these minibus taxis are kept on the road by sheer grace and greed.
I live in South Africa. 1400 pounds in a lot of money for someone who lives in the area that they were car-jacked. In some places in SA, you will be killed for your cell phone.
It’s a Dr Todd Grande day! Yay! This sounds like an interesting one 🌵☀️
This was a detailed and interesting analysis! I love your humor… always makes my day.
As always Dr. Grande thank you for your analysis and humor. I see the comments inspired a great deal of discussion regarding countries, in some instances comparisons. While they are likely true experiences for those people it is but a sampling of the situation in each of the countries. Each place has pros, cons, and depending on our life circumstances we try to find where we feel our situation will be a good experience and usually cost savings for us. Many people move to places and then move back in 3-6 years, a visit is not the same as a permanent move. We don't learn much about the complex fabric of society on a visit. We are fortunate to live in a world where this sort of mobility is possible. We are fortunate to have the internet to research such things.
I've never been to SA but I know quite a bit about its history. I vividly remember some years ago a friend of mine here in the UK, an older hippie type woman, who visited some relatives there. When I asked what it was like I maybe expected some kind of enthusiasm about seeing a different culture, people or whatever. However what she did was just shake her head and say very little. It's was as if she'd seen a ghost. I'll never forget it.
So glad you covered this case! I’ve heard many different analyses from various podcasters, but I’m so happy to get your take on this!
It’s sad how things turned out for Ani but she had blinders on when selecting a husband. If she had looked for character first, not wealth, perhaps she would have found a more compatible husband.
Parents sometimes send these silent (and not so silent) signals to their daughters that they expect them to marry someone at least as well off financially as them or better yet, even wealthier than they are ... in other words, to "marry up". Maybe one should say, she should have stood up to her parents (and culture) better. Of course, one could say the same for the man (Shrien).
Morning Dr. Grande, You have your story straight…thanks.
I live in SA. Her husband is gay. He ia living with a man right now. He had her murdered. I work on farm attacks and have gained some understanding as to how crime works in SA. Nobody in their right mind would go into a "location" unless it was on an organised tour where there would be some safety.
Is SA a common place for a honeymoon or vacation?
What a terrible situation for that young woman.
I see your points. I’m one who did believe the murder-for-hire line.
I’m going to have another look, using your theory.
Thanks, doc. Have lovely day!
This is an excellent analysis of this case. I agree 100%. Most shows like Dateline (or similar ones and others) have described this case with a bias towards finding that the husband was guilty but got away with murder. This explanation makes much more sense than anything else I have watched about this case. Thanks, Dr. G.!
I have the feeling that all the men are guilty, including the husband Poor Anni. She needed a good friend to listen to her and give her advise before the trip to horror. I think the husband manipulated her and he was part of the murder. They were all involved!
The taxi driver and the hotel recepcionist organized where, who and when. So sad for Anni. :(
Your subtle sarcasm always makes ne laugh.. 😂. Love your analysis on cases
I remember listening to the Redhanded podcast about this case a couple years ago and thinking the husband must have been guilty, but now I can't remember why. Oh well.
It's interesting. I have seen many videos on this case (british media) and all of them suported the view that husband was the murderer. Thank you for the update, probably more information has become public after his extradition. I definitely need to read further about it.
Why meet the taxi driver 2 days after, act suspiciously, then hand over an envelope? He's nothing but a crawling murderer
I never got over this case.
You don't explain the white envelope exchange between the husband and the taxi-driver two days after her death.
DR.G. WOW!!! THIS is the GREATEST BEST VIEDO I HAVE heard FROM YOur by far!! YOU taught me so much! I do have many favorite viedos of yours.
I'm surprised, Dr. Grande, that you came to this conclusion... Usually I do find your videos to be pretty well-researched and objective. However, here, I believe you may have overlooked the video footage from the hotel of the husband and the driver. At one point, the husband is walking into some sort of conference room in the hotel with a large white envelope. The driver happens to walk into the same conference room. The husband leaves without the envelope. Moments later, the driver leaves with the envelope. I'm not saying that this is definitive proof of anything, but it sure does add context. There were also shady text messages between the husband and the driver all throughout the ride, because the "car jackers" were late, and he seemed to be getting impatient. Also, I'm pretty sure living a double life is one of the first signs of disrespect in a relationship, let alone grounds for concern when the duped partner has been found shot dead on vacation while randomly perusing the ghetto while on said "vacation"...Idk, either way, I think this video deserves an edit. I mean that in the most constructive way possible, because I really do enjoy your videos. I just think this one is NOT a good representation of your channel.
He mentions the white envelope in the video, I'm watching the video later as I live in a different country, but at least the video I'm watching, he does mention the white envelope
Texting the taxi driver while being a passenger of said taxi? Instead of talking to him? That's just not a thing. It does not happen. Even disregarding the content of said texts this behaviour stands out as strange and uncalled for. When in a taxi, commonly driven by a stranger in an unknown area people might be sensitive to signs of the unexpected. If the taxi driver was to fiddle with his phone while driving some customers might question his competence. Whether voiced or not. sentiments like "We pay for this service you know, eyes on the road man!" might arise. What you'd not expect is for a passenger to text the driver and give him a reason to fiddle with his phone while driving. Certainly if one aspires to tell the story of what really happened one would have to supply a great explanation for why the husband texted the driver. If the husband plotted with the driver to kill the wife, well, that would explain it. But if one like Dr. Grande believes there was no conspiracy, then of course another explanation for this bizarre behaviour would have to be found.
You are the one being biased. The envelope was most likely payment for the driver being the driver. Or it's a separate envelope, the CCTV footage is not clear. There are no texts at all implicating him with the driver.
Marital problems are common. Murder, especially in a foreign country, is not.
@@jhonklan3794 If the envelope was only payment for driving services (and not the murder that took place a day earlier) why would he need to secretly meet in a conference room? Why not just pay him out in the open? I imagine that if I were on vacation and had to pay a driver for his work throughout the week, I would likely meet the driver at the front of the hotel where he would probably pull up in his car, and hand him the envelope, thank him, and go back inside, and he would likely drive away... right? Who would walk into a conference room inside the hotel alone, wait for the driver to park and walk into the hotel, find the conference room, and pick up the envelope from there, as if they're not meant to be seen together?
And yes, there were texts implicating conversation between the husband and the driver... if I remember correctly, the context was along the lines of "where are they" because the other two men involved in the plot (the ones with the guns) were late so the driver had to keep driving around and it was starting to look suspicious... there are other videos about this exchange on UA-cam, but I don't know how to link them here.
Also ma'am/sir, I'm not attacking you personally, nor am I attacking Dr. Grande, so please show me the same respect... or don't, but then understand that this kind of interaction, where we cannot share our opinions freely without being personally attacked, is why we as a society are so divided! Civilized human beings should be able to talk without insulting each other... even if their opinions or ideas are different. Have a great day! :)
so much to be said for coming home alive, knowing your partner, and a trusty driver and better travel agent