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I dont know... I took my wisdom teeth yesterday and was the best decision I ever made. Even my breathing is better now... I think that all depends of the case. Here in Brazil, if you doesn't need to take it out, your Doc will told ya. In my case, taking it out helped me even with the mewing. Also I was having TMJ because of them.... so I think that is the best to do it, on my case of course
Hi Ron, you should make a video covering all the different GOOD methods of palatal expansion. Clearly MSE isn't the only option, since Dr. Kahn mentioned a certain surgeon performing a quick surgical method to expand the palate. She made it sound like it was more reliable and predictable than MSE. It would be great if you could make a video talking about how this works!
Definitely the first video online ever covering this information, thanks for this. In theory is this still worth considering to make space for implants if the wisdom teeth have already been removed?
I think talking to the right Orthodontist is required if you want to know if this can be done, or search online for literature regarding this. I also want to know if it's theoretically possible to do expansion and then get implants after you've have teeth extracted years prior.
@@user-03-gsa3 I feel like (and this may not be true) but I feel like most orthodontics don’t take facial aesthetics into consideration as much. Do you feel the same way? I know dentists care nothing about facial appearance but maybe it’s different for orthos.
Great timing. I came back from the dentist yesterday and he wanted me to remove my wisdom teeth and set up an appointment. I knew I should keep then and saw you other videos and had previously researched again about mse. I'm close by Dr Ting and Vaughn so hopefully I can save my teeth and face. Thank you for the videos
Yeah, however unfortunately “health” care now is designed to suit the doctors that don’t go against the grain and manage symptoms, not doctors that prevent illnesses and conditions and actually treat root causes. Those doctors have one hell of a hard time making a living a lot of the time, if they can even make it by without their practices being under threat. I.e they also struggle with going against the consensus and how much bad rap/attention that gets them from their peers etc. Which is a major reason why Ron here decided not to go into dental school. It’s a shame because we need more people like this in health care but unfortunately it’s difficult. So I can’t say I blame people who are weary to go into health care to actually try to care for health. Funny enough…
@@fellipedasilva99*+* the entire system is literally designed to facilitate this racketeering. cause insurance refuses to cover "holistic" practitioners under the pretense that they are 'quackery' - which is positively absurd. doctor is a euphemism for state-sponsored drug dealer. surgeons are selected based upon a lack of emotional expression ["that young boy needs his wisdom teeth out!" `OK! 💲💰`]. most psychotherapists are also vetted to ensure a very narrow ideological conformity. still, even then, you find some clever ppl lurk in medicine.. however infrequently.
Unless the impaction is too severe, pulling the wisdom teeth straight using regular orthodontic techniques can be done, at least in the lower jaw, such a putting a screw in the back of the mandible and using it as an anchor to pull the wisdom teeth up straight, or putting regular brackets on the other molars and using them as anchors, after first having surgery to expose the wisdom teeth if they are covered in gum
Got my wisdom teeth out 6 years ago. It literally melted my face. Am in the final months of a 3+ year journey full dental and jaw reconstruction with surgically assisted MSE, Invaslign and two jaw surgeries. Final procedure will be a tongue tie release probably in the next 6 months or so. Extremely happy with the results but yes, be VERY wary of wisdom teeth extraction.
@@dhiraaribnal-azwar7840i've heard this perspective supported by other ppl "in-the-know". ostensibly since the teeth are impacted that means the jaw never developed the bone structure to accommodate them properly - therefore removing them would NOT alter the structure of the face. but i am incredulous, partly. i sorta want** to believe it cause i have decaying impacted wisdom teeth + 1 infection + 1 horizontal impaction.
Pretty glad that my upper jaw is the jaw that is deficient in space for wisdom teeth, not my lower. My lower has quite some space for my wisdom teeth, they didn't sprout yet though. My upper however concerns me, especially due to the recession of my upper jaw in comparison to my lower. Hopefully they don't grow until I'm able to get more forward expansion. Thanks for the gems JawHacks, its a pity you couldn't become a orthodontist, I would have definitely went to your practice.
Is breathing through your nose enough? My teeth are perfectly aligned at 17 and it seems like there’d be enough space for a 3rd molar. I’ve never mouth breathed and tape my mouth at night.
Chew mastic gum and target the back wisdom teeth it will help them erupt more forward and strengthen the wisdom teeth and make them more functional in the jaw. Just don’t overdo it or you will get tmj
@@Marcel-ow9oc I did too for a brief amount of time, this is just a sign that the wisdom teeth are erupting more. It’s only temporary just push through it. Don’t do it obviously If your gums are bleeding and super sore. But if a slight pain that’s not too bad of a sign. Pain is needed to grow it’s just going to get better with time.
@@heisenbergjoel8944 so did u manage to grow ur wisdom teeth?Mine come sidewys, but my true problem is that second pair of molars never erupted in my case because wisdom teeth blocked them so I was trying to make my second pair erupt and sadly remove wisdom teeth
Hey Ron, loved the vid. Do you think it would be a good idea to just DIY cut my plastic see through retainers? That way I would wear retainers at night only on my front 6 teeth to keep my smile, and I could still try to expand my palate with mewing, even if it barely changes. I'm 17, never had visible crooked teeth, but some reason I still got braces at age 13, they took them off 3 months ago. Now I also have a noticeable asymmetry, but I think I have enough force in my tongue to at least see some minimal benefits. At the same time I don't want to make my asymmetry worse, but if I wait any longer I might limit the room for improvement. Unfortunately I can't afford any real treatments right now, but I may buy some myospots to check if I'm doing mewing correctly. Thank you for your videos, love from Hungary.
That S the worst thing you could do. Leaving your back teeth uncovered from the plastic will let them erupt more, and will leave you with an anterior open bite.
@@robertoferretti4508 You've got a point there. I did think about this, but maybe I could cut some of the bottom part of the retainer down, so that non of my teeth touch the plastic.😂 I know it sounds really dumb, but I just don't want my face to stay the way it is. I literally have hollywood like definition on one side, and a flat longer face on the other. Probably my best option is to just stop wearing retainers at all, and hope for the best. Do you have any suggestions?
My lower jaw wisdom tooths are half inside of my mouth muscles and half inside which causing cavity in that and I don't have a any space in my lower jaw that my entire front lower incisors are crooked, don't know what to do...I am 20 years old
Great video man. I love your channel. I only have upper wisdom teeth. I am hoping to save them via the MSE + facemask approach, but I'm unsure if it will be fine to have upper wisdom teeth without the lower pair.
@@Will_4560 I was not born with lower wisdom teeth. It's genetic. My dad had only one whilst my mom had all four. I do think I could save them but I'm wondering how it will work out without any teeth to oppose them. I'm 17 right now and I really hope I can proceed with MSE + facemask in time. I don't think I have enough space currently, for I am recessed.
@@EkilRevolution I get that. We've talked on instagram. But the thing is with MSE and facemask it will just be for you upper jaw, so you'd have to be okay with getting an overbite, unless your lower jaw is having tmj problems and wants to rest forward (imagine jutting your jaw forward). Some people have that because they were unnaturally pushed back with orthodontic treatment, but I don't think you've ever had orthodontics. If that were the case then as your upper jaw came forward, the lower jaw would slide forward too and finally be able to bite in the healthy position it wants to be in. It doesn't sound like you have that problem. I guess an option for you would be, if you actually did this, you could do lower jaw surgery after because you already have no wisdom teeth there (which is a part of jaw surgery, they almost always take your lower wisdoms out). The hard part would be finding a provider for this lmao. They don't like people creating overbites because usually orthodontics wants to fix overbites. I suppose you could tell them you want MSE but you also want the facemask hooks installed, and then you just go off and wear the facemask lmao.
I'm in a similar interesting situation with two upper but no lowers, where my airway oriented/MSE provider Orthodontist recommends removing the uppers in favor of a better bite as there are no lowers to match, even with MSE+Facemask. I guess the question here is how important is the bite really compared to retaining your wisdom teeth?
@@Will_4560 I can tell you are quite knowledgeable. I actually do have TMJ problems and would actually benefit from a more forward maxilla without doing anything to the mandible. When I open my mouth, my jaw clicks and changes to a jutted position. When i close it it is pushed back to align with my maxilla else i have an underbite. I have mild tinnitus, and it goes away when i jut my jaw. I may not have had much orthodontic work, but I did mouth breath a lot as a child as well as be on a liquid diet for some time and a soft american diet outside of that. I believe this led to my recessed maxilla. So I would not get and overbite from facemask unless I got an extreme amount of forward growth of the maxilla like 3 cm.
Will putting a bone graft in place of the potential cavitation possibly stop the face from sinking in? Or at least prevent it from getting worse? I've had two lower cavitations post wisdom tooth removal filled with bone grafts.(cavitations got infected and necrosed chunks of my jaw) it's only been about 4 years, but I don't think my face has sunk in any further? But it's hard to tell as my facial appearance has fluctuated between two pregnancies in that time. My husband still has his wisdom teeth. His lowers have grown in fine, but his uppers are impacted. If he had them removed and followed up with bone graft could that at least prevent it from shrinking in further? He already has proper body and tongue posture. Btw, thanks for the content! Trying to share it with as many moms as I can without being branded "that paranoid lady."😂
I don't know much about bone grafting after wisdom teeth removal but I would say that if it's an option, it could only help. Thanks for sharing as always.
Could you recommend a good orthodontist near San Francisco, California? My son is 14 years old, and he has an open bite with a narrow upper jaw. I feel so sad because I was unaware of his condition until now due to my lack of knowledge.
Hello! What do you do if with expansion there seems to be room for the bottom wisdom teeth to come in but they have rotated toward the other teeth? Asking for my 15 year old which is currently wearing expanders on the top and braces on the bottom. On a different note: Have you thought about bringing Dr. Christensen on your show?
My whole face has sunk back. Have you done a video on Implants......because i am not a fan of having artifical screws/stumpgs ect in my body. Two wisdom teeth missing, one remaining and one never developed. Class III underbit, 4 more top missing teeth on the top.....one broken off botton tooth. Who do you recommend to do the suture splits.....i would like to communicate with them as i am in Australia and am finding it difficult to locate somebody. Please help!!
What can a person with limited financial resources do after having 3 wisdom teeth and 4 permanent teeth extracted for orthodontic treatment? What is the best way to protect a weak tooth? And can a palatal expander help fix the damage to the teeth and jaw?
Ok I just watched one of Rons videos and the forward dental ortho appliance this short is talking about might be referring to HEADGEAR along with MSE. MSE makes the tissue along the suture “soft” enough so that it can be “brought forward” if you use head gear 18 hours a day for one year and a half almost. That sounds very tough though
Unfortunayely thy talked my saughter into removal of her imp asctef lower abd last munute tild her the upper had to go too. I will NEVER forgive myself gor caving in. EVER. So now shes got rhem on other side, although bottpm one under gum. She refuses to mew. Is it ok to keep rhem on on one side? Im thinking thyd provide a proper idea of shape of face if she ever has denrures when old. Vut i can imagone rhyd never anchore a denture onto a wisdom tooth. Thyd simply refuse. Thats the problem. I had that problem. He refused my denture unless i took it out. But from my experience these teeth can tealky cause gum disease for ur entire mouth .its how i lost most teeth. But even so, i look younger than my age and rhank god my square heavy jaw is gone. Mt poor daughter has a smaller fave but i notice how round het jaw is since she got wisdom teeth. I guess it would have more angles when the other bottom one is out ig she gets it out. I have bo idea what to do now. I shoulve waited but thy just told her it must come out. Unfortunately i only found you after wrdnesday. I didnt know how traunatised id feel. I great sense of loss and ptsd all came back after my own tooth loss.
Can double jaw surgery save wisdom teeth? Im not a surgeon but it would make sense that if you’re bringing the upper jaw and lower jaw forward with surgery it should make space at the back for the wisdom teeth to grow in, right?
Can you get a bone graft and then get the wisdom teeth replaced later? I’ve had all four pulled and I know this to be true, I’m preparing for jaw surgery for palatal expansion too and bottom with Dr Yousefian rn and I feeel like after surgery there will be more space in my mouth in general for wisdom teeth implants so that I can have a stable foundation and good jawline
So what if they were already removed? How do you reverse the effects(falling back of teeth)? If I don’t get implants then how much space should there ideally be back there (behind 2nd molars)?
Amazing. Do you consider not doing anything with wisdom teeth as an adult (early 30’)a good option in case they are partially impacting other teeth? Some have partially surfaced but others not which are just kind of stuck… So far no pain and inflammation there but I read they can have potential for infection, and in extreme case death
I'm 22 years old, yesterday my dentist told me i have to take out my 1 lower jaw wisdom teeth, he said if I didn't Remove it years later it can develop into cancer, but I'm very afraid my lower jaw is already recessed if i take it out it will be worse. What should i do man? Please reply.
Great video! Would you be able to save your wisdom teeth if you pull the 2nd molars to make more space for the wisdom teeth? Any thoughts on this idea?
hey ron, quick question, does DJS work for this poblem? I ask this because I only have wisdom teeth on the right side of my lower jaw and I don't know how it would work in that scenario. thank you for your videos as always😄
Mewing saved by lower wisdoms. They were coming in at an angle 20 degrees off normal and within two years of mewing and chewing tougher gum they have both fully erupted and are straight
I'm 22 and my upper wisdom teeth are slightly tilted to the side (still in the gums) and my dentist gave me an appt to extract them in 3 days. This comment gives me hope but i dont know if mewing will be enough to fix the angle they're at right now :(
I am 21 female and I still haven’t my upper wisdom teeth erupted but i can kinda feel with mewing and chewing gum etc one side coming do you think it will help ?
@@mehhem4842 a local orthodontist in my area did it once without extracting any permanent teeth. But it is difficult and sometimes there is not enough bone
for a young kid, how should they start (ofc breast feeding, tongue tie release, hard foods, no allergies, nose clear, mewing) but e.g. mse and then msdo also for a small kid?
Too late for me bud. I had SIX, yes SIX wisdom teeth removed in my teens, and probably lost some depth because of it. Now, my tongue only fits in my mouth when my neck is fully "erect" LOL
Just watched a video on this technique yesterday, but never saw a wisdom get corrected with it. I think we should asked ourselves why the wisdom is impacted to begin with and fix that first which is why we expand the mouth.
Can a wisdom tooth actually cause death? Or is that a fear tactic from the medical establishment? I’m feel some pain in my back teeth. If somebody could answer the question it would be much appreciated
@@noellealdi881 havent really done anything. i'll probably have to get the left one extracted because its almost completely horizontal, but the right one might be savable
One of my wisdom teeth have a serious cavity because it hard to clean up , I don’t know if I will find a dentist who accept to treat that . I don’t want to remove it
Ron do you think it’s worth it for me to have SFOT done? I want to save my lower wisdom teeth, rapidly correct my occlusion/cant, address asymmetry best I can
You can do it but it's unstable the teeth are gonna get back to their first position with time, but you can use sfot just before they erupt so they have enough space, but you'll have to use retainers until all 4 wisdom teeth finished erupting. After that if you stop wearing retainers your teeth will become slightly crooked because they're going to shift backwards BUT you saved your wisdom teeth wish amazing, you could get expansion later to fix the crooked teeth
If the wisdom teeth is covered by gum, I would recommend rinsing with saline water. You could use a curved irrigation syringe just so u can clean under the gum flap that is covering your teeth. You could also go under oral surgery to cut that piece of gum and keep the teeth. If you don't do this, you will eventually contract pericoronitis, it's no fun...
Hey Ron, thank you for the video! who are the 3 providers worldwide that you know that offer MSE and MSDO? also i heard that MSDO can cause joint problems later on, how much of that is true?
its shocking how little this is talked about. My parents removed my wisdom teeth when i was a dumb teen and didn't know any better. evolutionarily speaking we could not have naturally lost our wisdom teeth in such a small amount of generations. I luckily am i natural nose breather with an above average palette size, is it possible to get wisdom teeth implants? There's next to no info on this being done online.
Bro, you forgot about imdo (I know it can’t be done after 25) it’s a great option to match with MSE since it does so little damage, it’s the king of Minimally invasive surgery when it comes to the lower
Imdo was partially made to save lower wisdom teeth, I know there are bearly any providers but for under 25 it’s better than MSDO since IMDO gives 3D expansion and bone growth
I scheduled my wisdom teeth to be taken out a few days ago. They told me that there was not enough room in my mouth for them and that if I didn't not get them taken out that my jaw or teeth could break.
@@alexmitev707 Just mew your jaws bigger and forget about esthetics and go enjoy life like a normal person, you’re fairly young. Don’t get into the expander obsession like the owner of this channel.
I hated my too round face and very square jaw when young. I have to say my face looks better with a thinner jaw. My cheek area has no back teeth but my cheeks
In what way do you suffer? My daughter had her lower and upper removed today on left side. Only lower was growing into her cheek but upper no trouble but he still said it had to be removed. Idk if we've done the right thing at all
I had my 4 wisdom teeth but I had one removed in my top jaw a few years back as I didn't know better. Now the bottom wisdom teeth has nothing to chew against and is slowly coming out of his socket naturally..Any advice on what I should do with it? If it goes out too much I will have to have it removed too..
Ed to have that opposing tooth removed. My daughter got her lower one removed today because growing into her cheek. He said she has to get top one removed too
Can i just say about the research that i have done as a naturopath and homeopath....that bony deformities of any kind come under the umbrella of the disease syphillus.....and so to slowly diminish this genetice condition the mother needs to take syphillinum the remedy while baby is in utero and then follow the Western A. Price diet Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon.....and then learn mewing as a child among other modalities
instead of doing the Facemask thing, doing Jaw surgery is faster and more secure with Lefort 1 can you do a video on BSSO and Lefort please all surgeons have to removed the wisdom teeth because they can't do surgery with, like me i only have 3 wisdom teeth and they are not in occlusion they disturb the BSSO cut
After my orthodontic treatment, removal of 3 teeths. They gave me retainers to wear almost life time at the same time i discovered mewing so i stopped wearing retainers and started mewing. Eventually my teeths got relapsed.
Been mewing for 5 years, more than 1 and a half year before I started my class 3 malocclusion treatment (top and lower teeth touching even at the incisors) Got my 4 healthy wisdom teeth extracted to start treatment, had elastics on top back molars and lower front canines to pull my lower jaw back Worked good enough fixed my occlusion in 2 years, wore my retainers for 1 month then gave up on them, been mewing since and havent relapsed. Both retainers dont fit anymore they are too small. I can certainfly feel ive lost airway space tho and my nose feels more stuffed than before. Asked a bunch of stomatologists for mse+facemask before my braces treatment but its not a thing here in France. All those new based treatments are great but very expensive and not available everywhere, mewing will help you if you stick to it and actually manage to fix your bad habits youve dealt with your whole life
I had a talk with my mom a few days ago on how irresponsible it was of her to get my teeth extracted at a young age even after I showed reluctance towards the procedure. She doesn't trust the fact that extractions only feeds into the problem of having small jaws. That decision should’ve been up to me to decide when I'm older. I honestly see it as child abuse even though her intentions were only positive. Now it's at the cost of my facial structure. I have 28 teeth. My top wisdom teeth are fine. It's just my lower wisdom teeth that aren't out properly. I guess I'd have to start off with an MSDO provider.
I am in the exact same boat as u rn. Upper 2 premolars we’re extracted due to moms persistence and now I’m stopping my orthodontic treatment. Now my lower wisdom teeth are impacted
Hi Ron , i am 19 y/o boy and my wisdom teeths are impacted. I have jaw has shifted to left side little bit probably due to malaclusion . I am from INDIA and i dont think that i will find any orthodontics for all this stuff . So i request you to make a video in which you with the orthodontist that you know can explain the situation and tell what and how to do the things with example as you for proof . It will really help a lot to put forward things . Thanks Please reply 🙏🙏
Yeah, for creating room for wisdom teeth I think IMDO is the best way for the lower jaw. But again, it's like who does that? lol. I also don't know a ton about it, because just so few people use it.
What about if you plan to get MMA and they need to remove the wisdom teeth to make the cuts? I guess this doesn't matter anymore because you are bringing the jaws forward anyway, so losing the wisdom teeth isn't a big deal
Heads-up people!! This video is just for information and isn’t medical or dental advice-I’m not a doctor, dentist or licensed healthcare provider of any kind. Always check with a qualified professional for your health questions. Use this info at your own risk-it’s not meant to diagnose, treat, or recommend specific providers, products or procedures.
I dont know... I took my wisdom teeth yesterday and was the best decision I ever made. Even my breathing is better now... I think that all depends of the case. Here in Brazil, if you doesn't need to take it out, your Doc will told ya. In my case, taking it out helped me even with the mewing. Also I was having TMJ because of them.... so I think that is the best to do it, on my case of course
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Hi Ron, you should make a video covering all the different GOOD methods of palatal expansion. Clearly MSE isn't the only option, since Dr. Kahn mentioned a certain surgeon performing a quick surgical method to expand the palate. She made it sound like it was more reliable and predictable than MSE. It would be great if you could make a video talking about how this works!
Definitely the first video online ever covering this information, thanks for this. In theory is this still worth considering to make space for implants if the wisdom teeth have already been removed?
I have the same question. Would you mind letting me know if you find an answer?
I think talking to the right Orthodontist is required if you want to know if this can be done, or search online for literature regarding this. I also want to know if it's theoretically possible to do expansion and then get implants after you've have teeth extracted years prior.
@@user-03-gsa3 I feel like (and this may not be true) but I feel like most orthodontics don’t take facial aesthetics into consideration as much. Do you feel the same way? I know dentists care nothing about facial appearance but maybe it’s different for orthos.
I don't know if it's the hair but I feel like your face definitely improved when looking at your earlier videos.
Great timing. I came back from the dentist yesterday and he wanted me to remove my wisdom teeth and set up an appointment. I knew I should keep then and saw you other videos and had previously researched again about mse.
I'm close by Dr Ting and Vaughn so hopefully I can save my teeth and face. Thank you for the videos
I'm with Ting rn for mse + invis, he can help you or refer you to someone else
@@theradicalaxe553 Thats awesome! How much was your mse if you dont mind me asking?
@@arnoldpalmer2180 Invisalign, I did a tongue tie release
@@niftyskates85 MSE + Invis was 11 thousand
@@theradicalaxe553oh my god from when is Mse so expensive ? Invisalign aren't more expensive than 2 thousand so Mse was 9 thousand ? 💀
It's really a shame that you couldn't go to Dentistry School only because of financial difficulties. You would have been such a hell of a doctor...
Yeah, however unfortunately “health” care now is designed to suit the doctors that don’t go against the grain and manage symptoms, not doctors that prevent illnesses and conditions and actually treat root causes. Those doctors have one hell of a hard time making a living a lot of the time, if they can even make it by without their practices being under threat. I.e they also struggle with going against the consensus and how much bad rap/attention that gets them from their peers etc. Which is a major reason why Ron here decided not to go into dental school. It’s a shame because we need more people like this in health care but unfortunately it’s difficult. So I can’t say I blame people who are weary to go into health care to actually try to care for health. Funny enough…
This channel he runs could help a lot more people than he would of as a dentist.
@@fellipedasilva99*+* the entire system is literally designed to facilitate this racketeering. cause insurance refuses to cover "holistic" practitioners under the pretense that they are 'quackery' - which is positively absurd. doctor is a euphemism for state-sponsored drug dealer. surgeons are selected based upon a lack of emotional expression ["that young boy needs his wisdom teeth out!" `OK! 💲💰`]. most psychotherapists are also vetted to ensure a very narrow ideological conformity. still, even then, you find some clever ppl lurk in medicine.. however infrequently.
Unless the impaction is too severe, pulling the wisdom teeth straight using regular orthodontic techniques can be done, at least in the lower jaw, such a putting a screw in the back of the mandible and using it as an anchor to pull the wisdom teeth up straight, or putting regular brackets on the other molars and using them as anchors, after first having surgery to expose the wisdom teeth if they are covered in gum
Got my wisdom teeth out 6 years ago. It literally melted my face. Am in the final months of a 3+ year journey full dental and jaw reconstruction with surgically assisted MSE, Invaslign and two jaw surgeries. Final procedure will be a tongue tie release probably in the next 6 months or so. Extremely happy with the results but yes, be VERY wary of wisdom teeth extraction.
Oh and I had SFOT too!
Are you ever considering bone grafts+ wisdom teeth implants?
This gives me hope. If u don’t mind, what were the costs of all this
How much are MSE and Invis did it cost for you in total? I am still young and working on so I can get an idea to save up for these procedure.
Dr Mew said in a patron livestream last night that he doesn’t believe wisdom tooth extraction alone will affect the structure of you face.
This is weird, because he's actually wrong
@@dhiraaribnal-azwar7840i've heard this perspective supported by other ppl "in-the-know". ostensibly since the teeth are impacted that means the jaw never developed the bone structure to accommodate them properly - therefore removing them would NOT alter the structure of the face.
but i am incredulous, partly. i sorta want** to believe it cause i have decaying impacted wisdom teeth + 1 infection + 1 horizontal impaction.
Is extracting bottom wisdom teeth as damaging as extracting upper wisdoms?
Pretty glad that my upper jaw is the jaw that is deficient in space for wisdom teeth, not my lower. My lower has quite some space for my wisdom teeth, they didn't sprout yet though. My upper however concerns me, especially due to the recession of my upper jaw in comparison to my lower. Hopefully they don't grow until I'm able to get more forward expansion. Thanks for the gems JawHacks, its a pity you couldn't become a orthodontist, I would have definitely went to your practice.
Is breathing through your nose enough? My teeth are perfectly aligned at 17 and it seems like there’d be enough space for a 3rd molar. I’ve never mouth breathed and tape my mouth at night.
Chew mastic gum and target the back wisdom teeth it will help them erupt more forward and strengthen the wisdom teeth and make them more functional in the jaw. Just don’t overdo it or you will get tmj
Could this really work?I have tried this, but I just got terribly painful sores on my gums
@@Marcel-ow9oc I did too for a brief amount of time, this is just a sign that the wisdom teeth are erupting more. It’s only temporary just push through it. Don’t do it obviously If your gums are bleeding and super sore. But if a slight pain that’s not too bad of a sign. Pain is needed to grow it’s just going to get better with time.
@@heisenbergjoel8944 so did u manage to grow ur wisdom teeth?Mine come sidewys, but my true problem is that second pair of molars never erupted in my case because wisdom teeth blocked them so I was trying to make my second pair erupt and sadly remove wisdom teeth
Thank you Ron
So all of this seemingly invasive and aggressive procedures are entirely aesthetic?
Can you do a video on reversing teeth extraction for an Adult. Is it worth putting back the molars and would it provide better facial look
Hey Ron, loved the vid. Do you think it would be a good idea to just DIY cut my plastic see through retainers? That way I would wear retainers at night only on my front 6 teeth to keep my smile, and I could still try to expand my palate with mewing, even if it barely changes. I'm 17, never had visible crooked teeth, but some reason I still got braces at age 13, they took them off 3 months ago. Now I also have a noticeable asymmetry, but I think I have enough force in my tongue to at least see some minimal benefits. At the same time I don't want to make my asymmetry worse, but if I wait any longer I might limit the room for improvement. Unfortunately I can't afford any real treatments right now, but I may buy some myospots to check if I'm doing mewing correctly. Thank you for your videos, love from Hungary.
That S the worst thing you could do.
Leaving your back teeth uncovered from the plastic will let them erupt more, and will leave you with an anterior open bite.
@@robertoferretti4508 You've got a point there. I did think about this, but maybe I could cut some of the bottom part of the retainer down, so that non of my teeth touch the plastic.😂 I know it sounds really dumb, but I just don't want my face to stay the way it is. I literally have hollywood like definition on one side, and a flat longer face on the other. Probably my best option is to just stop wearing retainers at all, and hope for the best. Do you have any suggestions?
@@zoouta-j4m Explain your problem to a professional during a clinical routine exam. Don’t use DIY options. Be careful
They took out my wisdom teeth because of the BSSO cuts for my bimax. Hopefully the bimax will offset any negative changes.
Hey Ron, great video, I was wondering are you finished with your orthodontic journey or is anything else you plan to do?
They will look back on extraction of the wisdom teeth in the future and see it as a a form of barbarism
Who are the three mse+msdo providers you're talking about? Are they all viable?
As a guy with all my wisdom teeth extracted, this is very informative thnx🙌🏼
Hi did your face change after wisdom teeth removal
@@sjlogeshwaran5864 I am not him but after i got them removed nothing changed. although keep in mind i got them bone grafted after extraction.
My lower jaw wisdom tooths are half inside of my mouth muscles and half inside which causing cavity in that and I don't have a any space in my lower jaw that my entire front lower incisors are crooked, don't know what to do...I am 20 years old
Great video man. I love your channel. I only have upper wisdom teeth. I am hoping to save them via the MSE + facemask approach, but I'm unsure if it will be fine to have upper wisdom teeth without the lower pair.
Theres a very high chance you can save your uppers
So you were just born without lower wisdom teeth? I wonder how that happens
@@Will_4560 I was not born with lower wisdom teeth. It's genetic. My dad had only one whilst my mom had all four. I do think I could save them but I'm wondering how it will work out without any teeth to oppose them.
I'm 17 right now and I really hope I can proceed with MSE + facemask in time. I don't think I have enough space currently, for I am recessed.
@@EkilRevolution I get that. We've talked on instagram. But the thing is with MSE and facemask it will just be for you upper jaw, so you'd have to be okay with getting an overbite, unless your lower jaw is having tmj problems and wants to rest forward (imagine jutting your jaw forward). Some people have that because they were unnaturally pushed back with orthodontic treatment, but I don't think you've ever had orthodontics.
If that were the case then as your upper jaw came forward, the lower jaw would slide forward too and finally be able to bite in the healthy position it wants to be in. It doesn't sound like you have that problem.
I guess an option for you would be, if you actually did this, you could do lower jaw surgery after because you already have no wisdom teeth there (which is a part of jaw surgery, they almost always take your lower wisdoms out).
The hard part would be finding a provider for this lmao. They don't like people creating overbites because usually orthodontics wants to fix overbites. I suppose you could tell them you want MSE but you also want the facemask hooks installed, and then you just go off and wear the facemask lmao.
I'm in a similar interesting situation with two upper but no lowers, where my airway oriented/MSE provider Orthodontist recommends removing the uppers in favor of a better bite as there are no lowers to match, even with MSE+Facemask. I guess the question here is how important is the bite really compared to retaining your wisdom teeth?
@@Will_4560 I can tell you are quite knowledgeable. I actually do have TMJ problems and would actually benefit from a more forward maxilla without doing anything to the mandible. When I open my mouth, my jaw clicks and changes to a jutted position. When i close it it is pushed back to align with my maxilla else i have an underbite. I have mild tinnitus, and it goes away when i jut my jaw.
I may not have had much orthodontic work, but I did mouth breath a lot as a child as well as be on a liquid diet for some time and a soft american diet outside of that. I believe this led to my recessed maxilla.
So I would not get and overbite from facemask unless I got an extreme amount of forward growth of the maxilla like 3 cm.
Can you list the orthodontists that perform both msdo and mse at the same time? Thanks
Will putting a bone graft in place of the potential cavitation possibly stop the face from sinking in? Or at least prevent it from getting worse? I've had two lower cavitations post wisdom tooth removal filled with bone grafts.(cavitations got infected and necrosed chunks of my jaw) it's only been about 4 years, but I don't think my face has sunk in any further? But it's hard to tell as my facial appearance has fluctuated between two pregnancies in that time. My husband still has his wisdom teeth. His lowers have grown in fine, but his uppers are impacted. If he had them removed and followed up with bone graft could that at least prevent it from shrinking in further? He already has proper body and tongue posture.
Btw, thanks for the content! Trying to share it with as many moms as I can without being branded "that paranoid lady."😂
I don't know much about bone grafting after wisdom teeth removal but I would say that if it's an option, it could only help. Thanks for sharing as always.
@@JawHacks thanks you!
U r one of many pioneers .. did you consider Lanap treatment before doing the bone graft??
Could you recommend a good orthodontist near San Francisco, California? My son is 14 years old, and he has an open bite with a narrow upper jaw. I feel so sad because I was unaware of his condition until now due to my lack of knowledge.
What are the three providers' names that offer upper and lower MSE services?
Hello! What do you do if with expansion there seems to be room for the bottom wisdom teeth to come in but they have rotated toward the other teeth? Asking for my 15 year old which is currently wearing expanders on the top and braces on the bottom. On a different note: Have you thought about bringing Dr. Christensen on your show?
My whole face has sunk back. Have you done a video on Implants......because i am not a fan of having artifical screws/stumpgs ect in my body. Two wisdom teeth missing, one remaining and one never developed. Class III underbit, 4 more top missing teeth on the top.....one broken off botton tooth.
Who do you recommend to do the suture splits.....i would like to communicate with them as i am in Australia and am finding it difficult to locate somebody.
Please help!!
What can a person with limited financial resources do after having 3 wisdom teeth and 4 permanent teeth extracted for orthodontic treatment?
What is the best way to protect a weak tooth?
And can a palatal expander help fix the damage to the teeth and jaw?
Ok I just watched one of Rons videos and the forward dental ortho appliance this short is talking about might be referring to HEADGEAR along with MSE. MSE makes the tissue along the suture “soft” enough so that it can be “brought forward” if you use head gear 18 hours a day for one year and a half almost. That sounds very tough though
Unfortunayely thy talked my saughter into removal of her imp asctef lower abd last munute tild her the upper had to go too. I will NEVER forgive myself gor caving in. EVER. So now shes got rhem on other side, although bottpm one under gum. She refuses to mew. Is it ok to keep rhem on on one side? Im thinking thyd provide a proper idea of shape of face if she ever has denrures when old. Vut i can imagone rhyd never anchore a denture onto a wisdom tooth. Thyd simply refuse. Thats the problem. I had that problem. He refused my denture unless i took it out. But from my experience these teeth can tealky cause gum disease for ur entire mouth .its how i lost most teeth. But even so, i look younger than my age and rhank god my square heavy jaw is gone. Mt poor daughter has a smaller fave but i notice how round het jaw is since she got wisdom teeth. I guess it would have more angles when the other bottom one is out ig she gets it out. I have bo idea what to do now. I shoulve waited but thy just told her it must come out. Unfortunately i only found you after wrdnesday. I didnt know how traunatised id feel. I great sense of loss and ptsd all came back after my own tooth loss.
Can double jaw surgery save wisdom teeth? Im not a surgeon but it would make sense that if you’re bringing the upper jaw and lower jaw forward with surgery it should make space at the back for the wisdom teeth to grow in, right?
Sadly no it doesn't work because the maxilia is sliced and brought forward and upward but actually the dental arch won't be bigger
Can you get a bone graft and then get the wisdom teeth replaced later? I’ve had all four pulled and I know this to be true, I’m preparing for jaw surgery for palatal expansion too and bottom with Dr Yousefian rn and I feeel like after surgery there will be more space in my mouth in general for wisdom teeth implants so that I can have a stable foundation and good jawline
Hoping from you to read this. I would like to know if there is an MSE provider in the Uk.
So what if they were already removed? How do you reverse the effects(falling back of teeth)? If I don’t get implants then how much space should there ideally be back there (behind 2nd molars)?
Hi, did you get implants and did that reverse the effects?
Amazing. Do you consider not doing anything with wisdom teeth as an adult (early 30’)a good option in case they are partially impacting other teeth?
Some have partially surfaced but others not which are just kind of stuck…
So far no pain and inflammation there but I read they can have potential for infection, and in extreme case death
I'm 22 years old, yesterday my dentist told me i have to take out my 1 lower jaw wisdom teeth, he said if I didn't Remove it years later it can develop into cancer, but I'm very afraid my lower jaw is already recessed if i take it out it will be worse. What should i do man? Please reply.
Great video! Would you be able to save your wisdom teeth if you pull the 2nd molars to make more space for the wisdom teeth? Any thoughts on this idea?
Don’t pull molars. Look up dental distress syndrome
I had the same thought, maybe an IPR could work
hey ron, quick question, does DJS work for this poblem?
I ask this because I only have wisdom teeth on the right side of my lower jaw and I don't know how it would work in that scenario.
thank you for your videos as always😄
Great question, I’m missing my top two, and want implants too
Mewing saved by lower wisdoms. They were coming in at an angle 20 degrees off normal and within two years of mewing and chewing tougher gum they have both fully erupted and are straight
How old when you started mewing?
@@kd21kd43age 22, I'm 24 now.
I'm 22 and my upper wisdom teeth are slightly tilted to the side (still in the gums) and my dentist gave me an appt to extract them in 3 days. This comment gives me hope but i dont know if mewing will be enough to fix the angle they're at right now :(
@@noodleuwu7006did you get them extracted ??
I am 21 female and I still haven’t my upper wisdom teeth erupted but i can kinda feel with mewing and chewing gum etc one side coming do you think it will help ?
Awsome. King Material!
Ron why didn’t you mention uprighting impacted wisdom teeth orthodontically? Using tads or elastics or whatever mechanics. I have seen it done before
Do you have any online examples of this? I’ve tried looking this up with no success. I’m really interested in this.
@@mehhem4842 ua-cam.com/video/_8ZYgALDMWg/v-deo.html
@@mehhem4842 a local orthodontist in my area did it once without extracting any permanent teeth. But it is difficult and sometimes there is not enough bone
Can tooth tipping/uprighting on the lowers create more space for wisdoms?
I wish I had found your channel 4 years ago when I had my left side wisdom teeth removed
for a young kid, how should they start (ofc breast feeding, tongue tie release, hard foods, no allergies, nose clear, mewing) but e.g. mse and then msdo also for a small kid?
Good question I’m currently in the process of learning more about how to expand kids and at what age to start using skeletal expanders.
Too late for me bud. I had SIX, yes SIX wisdom teeth removed in my teens, and probably lost some depth because of it. Now, my tongue only fits in my mouth when my neck is fully "erect" LOL
Fk orthodontists man
What can I do if I’ve already removed them at a young age. Would mse help me or is there nothing I can do?
Hey Ron you forgot about the Bach technique which can upright molars including wisdom teeth in some cases.
Just watched a video on this technique yesterday, but never saw a wisdom get corrected with it. I think we should asked ourselves why the wisdom is impacted to begin with and fix that first which is why we expand the mouth.
Exactly
Can a wisdom tooth actually cause death? Or is that a fear tactic from the medical establishment? I’m feel some pain in my back teeth. If somebody could answer the question it would be much appreciated
infection needs to be remedied. decay is a pressing concern. but this is just my anecdotal experience/observations.
exactly the advice i needed, unfortunately only my bottom wisdom teeth are impacting
What have you done? My lower teeth are coming in impacted on the lower and I don’t want them extracted
@@noellealdi881 havent really done anything. i'll probably have to get the left one extracted because its almost completely horizontal, but the right one might be savable
Can I go for Alf for expansion to help wisdom teeth to get in?
Yar alf kaam ni krega , it works mostly on under 15 age group .
@@Karmik_bhavya sadly mse is alot risky and hard to find
@@himanshusharma9118MSE requires a very minor surgical procedure under local anesthesia, it's not that dangerous to be fair
One of my wisdom teeth have a serious cavity because it hard to clean up , I don’t know if I will find a dentist who accept to treat that . I don’t want to remove it
Ron do you think it’s worth it for me to have SFOT done? I want to save my lower wisdom teeth, rapidly correct my occlusion/cant, address asymmetry best I can
You can do it but it's unstable the teeth are gonna get back to their first position with time, but you can use sfot just before they erupt so they have enough space, but you'll have to use retainers until all 4 wisdom teeth finished erupting.
After that if you stop wearing retainers your teeth will become slightly crooked because they're going to shift backwards BUT you saved your wisdom teeth wish amazing, you could get expansion later to fix the crooked teeth
@@dhiraaribnal-azwar7840 honestly I think MMA surgery might be the best bet at this point, my ortho does not offer MSDO
Is an IPR a good idea if the impaction is not that big?
one of my wisdom teeth has erupted well but the other is also erupted well but half is covered by gym what should i do ?
If the wisdom teeth is covered by gum, I would recommend rinsing with saline water. You could use a curved irrigation syringe just so u can clean under the gum flap that is covering your teeth. You could also go under oral surgery to cut that piece of gum and keep the teeth. If you don't do this, you will eventually contract pericoronitis, it's no fun...
Hey Ron, thank you for the video! who are the 3 providers worldwide that you know that offer MSE and MSDO?
also i heard that MSDO can cause joint problems later on, how much of that is true?
Between 5 and 10 militers is the limit of expansion you can get with Msdo sadly, more than that will destroy your Tmj. Even 8-10 is too much i think
anything i can do after having wisdom teeth removed at 16? (17 now) also will mewing work without having wisdom teeth?
is it possible you could name such providers? thanks!
love this xoxo
its shocking how little this is talked about. My parents removed my wisdom teeth when i was a dumb teen and didn't know any better. evolutionarily speaking we could not have naturally lost our wisdom teeth in such a small amount of generations. I luckily am i natural nose breather with an above average palette size, is it possible to get wisdom teeth implants? There's next to no info on this being done online.
Bro, you forgot about imdo (I know it can’t be done after 25) it’s a great option to match with MSE since it does so little damage, it’s the king of Minimally invasive surgery when it comes to the lower
Imdo was partially made to save lower wisdom teeth, I know there are bearly any providers but for under 25 it’s better than MSDO since IMDO gives 3D expansion and bone growth
I thought it's sometimes done older than 25?
Rarely and it’s always 26 and 27y/o
How do you know that wisdom teeth are the concrete footing of the mouth?
Literally just had mine removed 😂 might be for the best bc my face and bottom jaw are too wide which might help add more harmony.
Should impacted wisdom teeth be removed?
I scheduled my wisdom teeth to be taken out a few days ago. They told me that there was not enough room in my mouth for them and that if I didn't not get them taken out that my jaw or teeth could break.
Is there anything I can do? I'm 16.
Are all 4 of them impacted or just the bottom ones?
@@Ali-xl3kx I'm not sure. I only have three wisdom teeth though for some reason.
How many wisdom teeth did you have to take out
Brother is thumbpulling as effective as bioblock and mse at the age if 18?
It works but will give you a canted maxilla no matter what.
Not even close.
@@EkilRevolution where can i get a bioblock installed in Europe?i am 18 have all of my teeth and i have never woren braces
@@alexmitev707 Just mew your jaws bigger and forget about esthetics and go enjoy life like a normal person, you’re fairly young. Don’t get into the expander obsession like the owner of this channel.
@@EkilRevolution can I ask you a question on instagram please
What about the Alf Appliance for the Bottom jaw?
It's teeth enchored so not ideal but it may help
wow, ive never seen someone else talk about doctor's sucking because of liability reasons. subscribed
unbelievable
Mine are so impacted what do i do
I hated my too round face and very square jaw when young. I have to say my face looks better with a thinner jaw. My cheek area has no back teeth but my cheeks
My cheeks are fine not collapsed..still quite wide For me personally, I like a thinner jaw.
Did you get your wisdom teeth removed ?
So it safe to remove wisdom teeth
How many people actually do MSDO
what to do if your wisdom teeth are already pulled 😭 Were yours pulled Ron? You're face looks amazing now so there's hope
he got like 8 pulled off but he still look handsome
I’m wondering the same thing
@@ulu9208facts
@@ulu9208if thats true he got 8 implants for each of them
THEY TOOK MINE OUT ALREADY YEARS AGO AND I SUFFER...
In what way do you suffer? My daughter had her lower and upper removed today on left side. Only lower was growing into her cheek but upper no trouble but he still said it had to be removed. Idk if we've done the right thing at all
I had my 4 wisdom teeth but I had one removed in my top jaw a few years back as I didn't know better. Now the bottom wisdom teeth has nothing to chew against and is slowly coming out of his socket naturally..Any advice on what I should do with it? If it goes out too much I will have to have it removed too..
Ed to have that opposing tooth removed. My daughter got her lower one removed today because growing into her cheek. He said she has to get top one removed too
fuck. not the answer I was looking for. I think I’ll have to go trough the extractions then.
Did you go through with it?
Can i just say about the research that i have done as a naturopath and homeopath....that bony deformities of any kind come under the umbrella of the disease syphillus.....and so to slowly diminish this genetice condition the mother needs to take syphillinum the remedy while baby is in utero and then follow the Western A. Price diet Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon.....and then learn mewing as a child among other modalities
instead of doing the Facemask thing, doing Jaw surgery is faster and more secure with Lefort 1
can you do a video on BSSO and Lefort please
all surgeons have to removed the wisdom teeth because they can't do surgery with, like me i only have 3 wisdom teeth and they are not in occlusion
they disturb the BSSO cut
do they remove wisdom teeth before DJS?
@@imtheonewiththebestprofile5648 yes 6 months before surgery to let it heal
@@mdenjoyer831 damn that sucks
What are the main risks with jaw surgery?
@@JJ-xf8xg decreased lip sensitivity
Why do you say adding bone is the solution? Just expand the jaw and the teeth get more space.
After my orthodontic treatment, removal of 3 teeths. They gave me retainers to wear almost life time at the same time i discovered mewing so i stopped wearing retainers and started mewing. Eventually my teeths got relapsed.
That is the impulsive approach
of course you are going to relapse if you stop retainers
Been mewing for 5 years, more than 1 and a half year before I started my class 3 malocclusion treatment (top and lower teeth touching even at the incisors)
Got my 4 healthy wisdom teeth extracted to start treatment, had elastics on top back molars and lower front canines to pull my lower jaw back
Worked good enough fixed my occlusion in 2 years, wore my retainers for 1 month then gave up on them, been mewing since and havent relapsed.
Both retainers dont fit anymore they are too small.
I can certainfly feel ive lost airway space tho and my nose feels more stuffed than before. Asked a bunch of stomatologists for mse+facemask before my braces treatment but its not a thing here in France.
All those new based treatments are great but very expensive and not available everywhere, mewing will help you if you stick to it and actually manage to fix your bad habits youve dealt with your whole life
@@AImeriia salut, ce serait possible de parler plus en détail de ton expérience en dm ?
@@mdenjoyer831 didn't happen for me. mewing saved the day.
I had a talk with my mom a few days ago on how irresponsible it was of her to get my teeth extracted at a young age even after I showed reluctance towards the procedure. She doesn't trust the fact that extractions only feeds into the problem of having small jaws. That decision should’ve been up to me to decide when I'm older. I honestly see it as child abuse even though her intentions were only positive. Now it's at the cost of my facial structure. I have 28 teeth. My top wisdom teeth are fine. It's just my lower wisdom teeth that aren't out properly. I guess I'd have to start off with an MSDO provider.
I am in the exact same boat as u rn. Upper 2 premolars we’re extracted due to moms persistence and now I’m stopping my orthodontic treatment. Now my lower wisdom teeth are impacted
All of this stuff sounds so scary including removing the teeth hahaha
sfot/wilckodontics look terrifying
True lol
Hi Ron , i am 19 y/o boy and my wisdom teeths are impacted. I have jaw has shifted to left side little bit probably due to malaclusion . I am from INDIA and i dont think that i will find any orthodontics for all this stuff . So i request you to make a video in which you with the orthodontist that you know can explain the situation and tell what and how to do the things with example as you for proof . It will really help a lot to put forward things .
Thanks
Please reply 🙏🙏
IMDO utilizes a distractor and even widens your mandible on top of growing it forward
Yeah, for creating room for wisdom teeth I think IMDO is the best way for the lower jaw. But again, it's like who does that? lol. I also don't know a ton about it, because just so few people use it.
@@shuikai272 So do you not think it’s worth it to try and get wisdom teeth implants if you’ve had them removed?
@@JJ-xf8xg Depends on the situation. And how much money you are willing to spend.
@@shuikai272 Who is the best person to go to if interested in jaw surgery? Just the standard ortho?
@@JJ-xf8xg Ting and Walline would be a great choice for LA.
What about if you plan to get MMA and they need to remove the wisdom teeth to make the cuts? I guess this doesn't matter anymore because you are bringing the jaws forward anyway, so losing the wisdom teeth isn't a big deal
I’ve heard some surgeons won’t remove them if you request them not do it.
I will never get my kids get in the situation I’m into
bump
Tran your jawline and massage it after.
well what if im born without them......
I have no wisdom teeth 😢
Better to not have them than have them impacted