omfgg I can’t believe this. what an precise definition of this confusing placement. being tapped into the pain of the collective is exactly what i’ve always felt but couldn’t explain.
Another excellent video. I have Chiron in the 12th (and part of fortune). I’ve had spiritual experiences throughout my life that have made me feel scared, disconnected, and unprotected. (I understand separation is an illusion, but for whatever reason to experience that illusion has been part of my souls journey…I’ve had two high level intuitive tell me it is an experience my soul took on for healing in the collective and my lineage 🤷🏻♀️ ) I have been working with an energy therapist to heal that area and reconnect to Divinity. Also, deeply affected by collective pain and energy and have had to learn how to have energetic boundaries. This is definitely an interesting wound to work with in the 12th house. It’s been a very existential and esoteric experience for me.
@@upfromthestorm7186 Yes, I agree. Separation - the illusion of it- is part of the human experience. I’ve had a very heightened experience of it, but for whatever reason it’s been part of my soul’s journey in awakening to the illusion as shown in my natal chart. I agree about embodiment. We are here to anchor into this human experience as a physical being, not bypass it by focusing on the ecstatic spiritual. So I believe it is essential to go deeper into the body and really anchor in , as you talk about, into the lower chakras. I also agree with you that we are all fluctuating, ebbing and flowing, through vibration in the varying dimensions of consciousness as part of our human state daily. I could operate in a triggered state in “3D”; feeding into the illusion of separation, protection, duality etc… then perhaps later in the same day feel a deep sense of unity, bliss, oneness in “5D”. As far as the “high level intuitive”. Yes, I agree we all can access that part of ourselves and is our birthright… our natural state for all of humanity. However, not everybody is conscious of that or chooses to access that level of awareness. The “high level intuitives” and energy therapist I work with are deeply embodied people who are also very connected to their own humanity and personal journeys. There is no pedestaling here , but acknowledgement that people are operating at different places of consciousness and awareness. Which doesn’t make them “better” or more spiritually elevated. In fact the opposite with a deep sense of humility and connection to the whole. I am you and you are me. ✨ Thank you for sharing your thoughts✨
@@upfromthestorm7186 Gosh, I feel like I understand you, but it seems like how I reflect back to you isn’t heard. It feels as if there is a lot of explaining and assumption even from the first comment without listening. (I say that respectfully and just as feedback to the experience of this dialogue from my end ….and it sounds like that is your experience with me as well.) Interesting experience, right? “It’s not about feeling good. It’s about facing what makes us uncomfortable”. I agree and I’m not sure how anything I said would make you think otherwise that I believe that this journey is supposed to be an ecstatic blissful state. Can it be at times? Sure, but the opposite and embracing all the in-betweens is just as important. Essential. Facing and embracing all of it. Isn’t that what embodiment is? Stepping out of judgment of the human experience and saying it is ALL me and bringing it deep into yourself…. I personally don’t use the 3D , 5D terminology, but you did in your first comment. So in relating back to you, I used it (but in quotes) bc it seemed as if it was the language you speak. Ultimately, I believe our monadic soul/oversoul is above “5d” or in other terms at a very high frequency state and we can choose to remember that or not. experience that consciously or not. awaken to it or not. So that’s what we ultimately are, but not necessarily what we consciously choose to experience every moment or choose to remember. We are tuning into different frequencies throughout the day. Also to address another assumption… The guides and teachers along my journey that I choose and resonate with do not advocate spiritual bypassing and living in some state of existential bliss. Very much the opposite. I follow and resonate with those who understand the descending path. I’m sure you know what that is. It’s very much in the root chakra and going into the deepest parts of our shadowy selves for an authentic rising. Anywho, even though it feels like two people talking about the same thing, yet insisting we’re not and staying in a circle of over-explanation… It’s been a good volley! Maybe a good mental exercise? 🤷🏻♀️ Either way, here’s to the journey and our unique way of experiencing it! 🥂✨
@@upfromthestorm7186 LOL YES. All of your self-initiated, uninvited mansplaining on my original comment about divinity and the illusion of it all….I literally agreed and reflected back to you what you said 😂 Yet you speak a language unto yourself, for yourself, unreachable, untouchable, “up from the storm”, unwilling to even see when someone sees what you see. I hope someone else reads this thread and chimes in. I would love for an observer outside of this convo to give their two cents on your pompous, self-serving dissertation of crap. Not because I don’t believe it, but because you are zero embodiment of it. 😘
@@upfromthestorm7186I AM all of it and more. The human and divine. It’s all there co-mingled and I embrace it. I have nothing to fear. I can rage and I can dance. I can be all the things. I bring it deeply into myself and allow it to catalyze growth, reflection, awareness. Call it human or divine -but ALL OF WHO I AM is calling out your pompous ass. 😘
Chiron 12th house Gemini. I'm a sponge and lost many of my spiritual gifts because other people's trash cluttered my house and I had no idea how to clean it out until my late 20's.
I have ♊︎♃℞ ☍ ♐︎☉☌♇ I resonated with your use of the phrase “others’ clutter.” Its like i take on mental stunts and just feel compelled to relay them to the individual. I have been struggling to find my passion and therapy/psychology has recently tickled my fancy.
I have this placement in Virgo. I am drawn to helping those I see are hurt and feel it is my moral duty to help them, as if a spiritual destiny for me. I often become an amateur therapist for people.
Thank you for giving a clear picture of chiron. My chiron is 12th house Aries. I've never heard any one describe my childhood as accurately as you. I thought I was alone. Lol
You hit the nail on the head Tom. This is my placement and I have suffered internally for too long actually. It's getting better however the older I get!! Strangely so. ;) Thanks!
I have this placement in Sagittarius, and I have to say that having double trouble of belief makes this spiritual journey so hard. Thank you for your knowledge I have new topics for shadow work!!
Love your words and description. I have Chiron in Pisces 12th house and must admit I am very sensitive to the collective. Problem is that I can hide a lot of those deep emotions because of my Moon in Capricorn and Mercury in Scorpio placements.
I have Natal Chiron in Taurus retrograde in 12th and North Node in Chiron Midheaven in Pisces man oh man does this resonate so well I’m just starting to understand my own progressive astrology chart also yeesh evolutionary astrology is deep
I'm actually stated helping chirldren in my the stral realm travels in my dream state. I can't take them out of the situations they are in but I can help them though them
Hey Tom... thank you so much for these teachings! Any guidance for a parent with a sensitive toddler with 12th house Pisces Chiron? Would love to guide him well x
Tom let me tell you, the way you explain things is like me, we have similar energy in that sense! Also I get these sudden insights in astrology just from sitting and thinking and then I write it all down which I also believe in channeling cuz usually it’s stuff I’ve never read but noticed in the information I gather and patterns I’ve observed. Anyways I REALLY look forward to hearing what you have to say any time I have something I need to look up or I am curious about. ❤️❤️❤️ btw can u please do Pluto moon aspects 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I know there can be a positive side to Pluto but there’s not a whole bunch to read about stuff like bi quintile or quintile. Another idea is to talk about how bq and Q can start out as weaknesses that a person can turn into an area of talent. I’d be interested to see something on that! Thanks again
I have this placement at 27 degrees in Gemini. In my 12th. But it’s on the cusp. My 12th house begins on the 27th degree. So does that mean it applies to both the 11th and 12th? Or just the 12th? In whole sign of course it’s only my 12th. Just wondering 😊
Hi🥹 my name is janae and i was born on friday the 13th of may, 1994 at 1:13pm and 26 seconds in Portland Oregon U.S.A .... I have asked a lot of people but im not too sure if i have gotten any answers and im concerned because i feel like the world hates me and desires to cause me harm
omfgg I can’t believe this. what an precise definition of this confusing placement. being tapped into the pain of the collective is exactly what i’ve always felt but couldn’t explain.
Another excellent video. I have Chiron in the 12th (and part of fortune). I’ve had spiritual experiences throughout my life that have made me feel scared, disconnected, and unprotected. (I understand separation is an illusion, but for whatever reason to experience that illusion has been part of my souls journey…I’ve had two high level intuitive tell me it is an experience my soul took on for healing in the collective and my lineage 🤷🏻♀️ )
I have been working with an energy therapist to heal that area and reconnect to Divinity. Also, deeply affected by collective pain and energy and have had to learn how to have energetic boundaries. This is definitely an interesting wound to work with in the 12th house. It’s been a very existential and esoteric experience for me.
@@upfromthestorm7186 Yes, I agree. Separation - the illusion of it- is part of the human experience. I’ve had a very heightened experience of it, but for whatever reason it’s been part of my soul’s journey in awakening to the illusion as shown in my natal chart.
I agree about embodiment. We are here to anchor into this human experience as a physical being, not bypass it by focusing on the ecstatic spiritual. So I believe it is essential to go deeper into the body and really anchor in , as you talk about, into the lower chakras. I also agree with you that we are all fluctuating, ebbing and flowing, through vibration in the varying dimensions of consciousness as part of our human state daily. I could operate in a triggered state in “3D”; feeding into the illusion of separation, protection, duality etc… then perhaps later in the same day feel a deep sense of unity, bliss, oneness in “5D”.
As far as the “high level intuitive”. Yes, I agree we all can access that part of ourselves and is our birthright… our natural state for all of humanity. However, not everybody is conscious of that or chooses to access that level of awareness. The “high level intuitives” and energy therapist I work with are deeply embodied people who are also very connected to their own humanity and personal journeys. There is no pedestaling here , but acknowledgement that people are operating at different places of consciousness and awareness. Which doesn’t make them “better” or more spiritually elevated. In fact the opposite with a deep sense of humility and connection to the whole. I am you and you are me. ✨ Thank you for sharing your thoughts✨
@@upfromthestorm7186 Gosh, I feel like I understand you, but it seems like how I reflect back to you isn’t heard. It feels as if there is a lot of explaining and assumption even from the first comment without listening. (I say that respectfully and just as feedback to the experience of this dialogue from my end ….and it sounds like that is your experience with me as well.) Interesting experience, right?
“It’s not about feeling good. It’s about facing what makes us uncomfortable”.
I agree and I’m not sure how anything I said would make you think otherwise that I believe that this journey is supposed to be an ecstatic blissful state. Can it be at times? Sure, but the opposite and embracing all the in-betweens is just as important. Essential.
Facing and embracing all of it. Isn’t that what embodiment is? Stepping out of judgment of the human experience and saying it is ALL me and bringing it deep into yourself….
I personally don’t use the 3D , 5D terminology, but you did in your first comment. So in relating back to you, I used it (but in quotes) bc it seemed as if it was the language you speak. Ultimately, I believe our monadic soul/oversoul is above “5d” or in other terms at a very high frequency state and we can choose to remember that or not. experience that consciously or not. awaken to it or not. So that’s what we ultimately are, but not necessarily what we consciously choose to experience every moment or choose to remember. We are tuning into different frequencies throughout the day.
Also to address another assumption… The guides and teachers along my journey that I choose and resonate with do not advocate spiritual bypassing and living in some state of existential bliss. Very much the opposite. I follow and resonate with those who understand the descending path. I’m sure you know what that is. It’s very much in the root chakra and going into the deepest parts of our shadowy selves for an authentic rising.
Anywho, even though it feels like two people talking about the same thing, yet insisting we’re not and staying in a circle of over-explanation… It’s been a good volley! Maybe a good mental exercise? 🤷🏻♀️
Either way, here’s to the journey and our unique way of experiencing it! 🥂✨
@@upfromthestorm7186 LOL YES. All of your self-initiated, uninvited mansplaining on my original comment about divinity and the illusion of it all….I literally agreed and reflected back to you what you said 😂 Yet you speak a language unto yourself, for yourself, unreachable, untouchable, “up from the storm”, unwilling to even see when someone sees what you see. I hope someone else reads this thread and chimes in. I would love for an observer outside of this convo to give their two cents on your pompous, self-serving dissertation of crap. Not because I don’t believe it, but because you are zero
embodiment of it. 😘
@@upfromthestorm7186I AM all of it and more. The human and divine. It’s all there co-mingled and I embrace it. I have nothing to fear. I can rage and I can dance. I can be all the things. I bring it deeply into myself and allow it to catalyze growth, reflection, awareness. Call it human or divine -but ALL OF WHO I AM is calling out your pompous ass. 😘
A panic attack led me to this video. It was very healing and affirming; this is me 1000%. Thank you!! ❤️
Chiron 12th house Gemini. I'm a sponge and lost many of my spiritual gifts because other people's trash cluttered my house and I had no idea how to clean it out until my late 20's.
Me too Chiron conjunct mars in Gemini in 12th house
@@mamiecarnivorinx7182 ❤
I have ♊︎♃℞ ☍ ♐︎☉☌♇
I resonated with your use of the phrase “others’ clutter.” Its like i take on mental stunts and just feel compelled to relay them to the individual. I have been struggling to find my passion and therapy/psychology has recently tickled my fancy.
I have this placement in Virgo. I am drawn to helping those I see are hurt and feel it is my moral duty to help them, as if a spiritual destiny for me. I often become an amateur therapist for people.
Me too!! Chiron in Virgo in 12th house native. I also have Mars in Virgo in 12th, which is an indicator of getting into healing professions
Meeee toooo
@@StephanieTips yea I have the same placement. But I never felt the urge to go into a healing profession.
Great teaching style ❤
Thank you for giving a clear picture of chiron. My chiron is 12th house Aries. I've never heard any one describe my childhood as accurately as you. I thought I was alone. Lol
K.M. Garren same🙏🏼🙌
I think 12 house also is so amorphous. It felt that way for me. I'm 31 now, and I can finally name the collective pain I feel... Loneliness.
You Sir explained the Story of my Life... Thanks so much for your Work...You are Appreciated💯🍀🌼🌻😇 Namaste
Great! thanks for your comment.
Me too 💯 %🙌🙏🏼
You hit the nail on the head Tom. This is my placement and I have suffered internally for too long actually. It's getting better however the older I get!! Strangely so. ;) Thanks!
I have this placement in Sagittarius, and I have to say that having double trouble of belief makes this spiritual journey so hard.
Thank you for your knowledge I have new topics for shadow work!!
I have ♐︎☉☌♇ in the 12H along with chiron.. this video was a blessing
I needed to hear this, Asè.
This is the best video I’ve seen on this placement thank you🥲
Thank you so much for this video. I have both moon and chiron in the 12th. Although I feel lucky that the orb is large.
Love your words and description. I have Chiron in Pisces 12th house and must admit I am very sensitive to the collective. Problem is that I can hide a lot of those deep emotions because of my Moon in Capricorn and Mercury in Scorpio placements.
I have this placement in Sagittarius :,) thanks
Me too
sameeee
I have it in my 12th, and an unaspected Jupiter in my 6th. My fav Lana del Rey song is Gods and Monsters. Great video thanks.
Yep I have Chiron in 12th in Aries
I have Natal Chiron in Taurus retrograde in 12th and North Node in Chiron Midheaven in Pisces man oh man does this resonate so well I’m just starting to understand my own progressive astrology chart also yeesh evolutionary astrology is deep
Live SmartEssentially1111 hmm I am Taurus with Chiron & Black Moon Lilith in 12th House
Valarie Burns I am still learning I don’t understand black moon Lilith yet she’s in my 8th house of Capricorn
I'm actually stated helping chirldren in my the stral realm travels in my dream state. I can't take them out of the situations they are in but I can help them though them
Hey Tom... thank you so much for these teachings! Any guidance for a parent with a sensitive toddler with 12th house Pisces Chiron? Would love to guide him well x
I’m here for my son as well! He has Chiron in pisces in the 12th. I’m doing my research so I can guide him as much as possible.❤️
Tom let me tell you, the way you explain things is like me, we have similar energy in that sense! Also I get these sudden insights in astrology just from sitting and thinking and then I write it all down which I also believe in channeling cuz usually it’s stuff I’ve never read but noticed in the information I gather and patterns I’ve observed. Anyways I REALLY look forward to hearing what you have to say any time I have something I need to look up or I am curious about. ❤️❤️❤️ btw can u please do Pluto moon aspects 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I know there can be a positive side to Pluto but there’s not a whole bunch to read about stuff like bi quintile or quintile.
Another idea is to talk about how bq and Q can start out as weaknesses that a person can turn into an area of talent. I’d be interested to see something on that!
Thanks again
Chiron in the 12th Scorpio rising 😧
I have chiron in the 12th and Venus in the 12th house to
I have videos about 12th house planets. Checkout my other playlists.
My Mother never wanted me. I was never ment to be Born. Pisces. Pisces sun. Spot on Chiron.
NOT TRUTH.
YOU WERE ALWAYS MEANT TO BE HERE.
IF YOU WEREN'T,
YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE.
YOU ARE HERE NOW.
TRUTH♾☸
This was excellent..
.....and this js not Ignatius Allen...it is his wife.. I had to adopt his ohone and cannot get his youtube off. 😜
Spot on!!!!!!!
Which house system are you working with?
Oh man... I have Chiron in Taurus in the 12th house... Yikes. No wonder I get these weird physical pains and symptoms 🙃
Hi Tom, I have Chiron in cancer in the 12th house but my 12th house is intercepted. Is there any information on this on your website? Thanks.
thank you ☺️🌈
I have Chiron in 12th house in Gemini and so is my Moon, and my sun sign and ascendant is Cancer... what a deal!
@nevar neyokhow can I help u?
My Chiron and Lilith are in the 12th house in Gemini and my rising is alson Cancer. I feeeeel you!
Yeah, I have Chrion in 12th house in Gemini as well.
Hi dear Jacob. I’m wondering. Do you consider interceptions when you read a chart?
I'm enjoying this series - TY
Oh my gosh, when you brought up missing your childhood angels or guides... 😥
Besides Chiron in the twelfth I also have the asteroid Lucifer. Talk about rejection by God !
cswhitak hi I have synastry of these two asteroids (his lucifer conjunct my Chiron) how do you think this connection of asteroids plays out?
I’m a life path 5
Chiron in Virgo 12th house?
I have this placement at 27 degrees in Gemini. In my 12th. But it’s on the cusp. My 12th house begins on the 27th degree. So does that mean it applies to both the 11th and 12th? Or just the 12th? In whole sign of course it’s only my 12th. Just wondering 😊
being open and not absorbing;.. sh*t man...
hi, what site are you referring to for the full natal chart on this one? thanx!
Do you mean where I make charts? That's astro.com.
If instead you mean the Chiron natal report, that's at tdjacobs.com on the natal reports page.
I have my Chiron in this configuration and it doesn't make any sense what you're saying.
You you'd like a full report on your aspects: www.tdjacobs.com/products/natal-reports/
This doesn’t resonate at all. Likely because signs don’t rule houses. Ever.
Pisces is NOT 12H
I have 12H Taurus, so Venus rules my 12H matters
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I have an SSL certificate and everything's up and running--not sure what you mean.
Hi🥹 my name is janae and i was born on friday the 13th of may, 1994 at 1:13pm and 26 seconds in Portland Oregon U.S.A ....
I have asked a lot of people but im not too sure if i have gotten any answers and im concerned because i feel like the world hates me and desires to cause me harm
I offer readings: www.tdjacobs.com/services/consultations/