Regarding Wayne Williams (Atlanta murders) 2 things: 1) the murders stopped as soon as he was of the streets, 2) they did DNA tests (in 2010) and it was a 98% match. So there's that...
I think they had enough.. Depends on what the judge allows, but there was enough there.. I have little doubt a few of the murders were done by someone else, but he did the vast majority.. You have to remember how it went down.. At the end they were finding bodies almost every week.. That’s a serial killer..
Henk Van de Goor I dont know, maybe. They were 28 killing, he may be involved in a few. But I believe the KKK and other pedophiles were involved for the rest. There’s no sufficient evidence linking him to certain child murders, only male adult males.
Thank you so much for covering Robert Ressler's work. John Douglas is more well known, possibly because he's written more books, but Ressler's contribution to the field cannot be understated. His book Whoever Fights Monsters is a fantastic read!
If you’re interested in this kind of stuff, Mindhunter by John Douglas is a must read. One of the many insights I’m fascinated by is the feeling of regret and remorse some of the killers would experience after killing. They would promise themselves never to do it again, until the “pressure” would build up and they had to kill again. This is in direct contrast to what we tend to believe happens. That being that the serial killer could just turn it on and off at will. Many of them (certainly not all) would suffer great pangs of guilt and an unbearable conscience, vowing to stop killing and straighten out. Only to do it again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during the zodiac killer years, the satanic murder/sacrifice at Stanford University, the vampire killer, and others...it seemed like it was risky to leave the house! Being able to identify serial killers has undoubtedly saved many lives.
All profilers say that the victims that because the person looks normal, speaks normal that he couldn't be a killer,,most profilers say they do unspeakable things,while not panicking, ted Bundy figured out in one case that if he sacked his lawyer ,he'd get access to the prison library, which was across the road,after a few court date's, playing with the guards,, testing everything, limit's, until the day or so before the trail began, ted escaped,, so just look like everyone else, u me anyone walking past,say hello etc, after that escape he new all they had against him,when representing himself, he's in titled to see everything, that's why ,sadly he went into a girls college campus and killed everyone in it,except the one person who hid ,but seen ted who thought he killed everyone... She picked him out,now police, FBI all hands on deck,the witness describes him as WEARING ALL BLACK ,WALKING DOWN TAKING HIS MASK OFF,SHE didn't BREATH FOR WHAT FELT LIKE 10 MINUTES, BUT REALISTICALLY, ABOUT A MINUTE... THIS ANIMAL HAS ,HAD GROUPIES....EVEN AS EVIDENCE WAS BEEN READ OUT...NOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND....
the 70's & 80's were the thriving years of Serial killings in USA..something in the water?? Some of the most atrocious & sadistic killers emerged from that time..candyman Corll, Gacy,Dahmer Bundy, Heidnik, Norris& Bitteker..List goes on & on..I bet there were lots more all around the world but no profiling existed in others countries..Age of Demons?? Who knows..
@@gigiarmany They existed before and theres some surviving records regarding those who were eventually caught. The greater scrutiny and aide of modern forensic science has certainly led to increased awareness.
Adry Armani they have always existed we merely developed the tools to catch them then. Also a lot of the proliferation of serial killers has to do with the media and how they started to be covered then. By turning them into celebrity’s it also drove a lot of sick people into becoming serial killers wanting that same “fame”. I think you’re joking about something in the water? At least I hope you are cause that’s some grade A Alex Jones craziness. The fact is humanity as a whole the longer we are around actually gets less violent, which is shocking I know considering how the media acts, but as they say “if it bleeds it leads”. Hell pre the twentieth century, murder was absolutely rampant as means to solve problems. TLDR: It just seems like there’s more murderers/serial killers now (or in 70’s 80’s like you said) because of how well documented they are in the media, and because of forensic science making it much harder to get away with.
@@boshamburger123 "Something in the water" is just a common turn of phrase bud, it doesnt actually mean yo think theres a Gov conspiracy of poisoned well water lol.
Cool video. Robert Ressler was my uncle. He was a great guy and you would never know from speaking with him that he spent most of his adult life neck deep in this world of unimaginable violence and butchery. He was a very interesting fellow to say the least and served his country in the military as well as the FBI.
If you ever watch Most Evil, Kemper is the only person still living that received a score of 22 on that show. That is the highest level of a criminal. Due to his genius level IQ, his size and strength ( he’s 6’9” and around 300 lbs and was said to be as strong as an ox) and his cunning along with the atrocities he committed he is considered the most dangerous among serial killers that is still alive. I think he could be a great asset in catching current serial killers. A great person to study and get the mindset of a serial killer.
It's kind of funny but Kemper actually met another serial killer in prison who he proceeded to mindfuck and behaviorally train because he didn't like the guy.
Carolina Lopez Ruvalcaba You are correct and so did Bundy. I should have said “Living” criminal. My bad. Thanks for the correction. I will change my post to make it more clear.
MindHunter was such a freaking great show. I was hoping that we'd get enough seasons to cover all of these particular killers in interviews and active cases.
I worked with a guy who lived a few doors down from Dahmer. He said that he was one of the nicest people he ever met. A little weird, but very nice. Kinda spooky.
Of all the serial killers studied, Dahmer was one of the most troubled and he actually felt remorse for the killings...unlike Gacy. Not that I sympathize in any way, but it’s different than most serial killers.
For clarification, "Spree" and "Serial" killers should not be confused as being the same. The three basic differences of the two are: 1. Motive 2. Span of time. A serial killer can remain dormant for years between kills, Re: Dennis Rader (BTK); the Green River Killer; Ted Bundy; Isreal Keyes. 3. Tools (weapons) used. Spree killers tend to use firearms whereas serial killers tend to use up close tools; their hands, ligatures, fire, poisons, legal or illegal drugs; however, they will also use firearms (ie, the DC Sniper, the Ice Man).
Wow! Anyone else think that the guy that they got to play Edmund Kemper on Mindhunters is a dead ringer for the real thing? (sorry for the unintentional pun)
@@shannonlee853 I remember watching a 2part WII drama in the 90s, and the guy who played Hitler had a massive moleon his face. That was bad casting at its best.
RE George Metesky. The police knocked on his door in the early morning hours and he knew right away that the jig was up. As it was morning, he was wearing pajamas when the police arrived, and when asked if he could dress before being taken in for booking, the police agreed. Moments later he emerged from his bedroom wearing a double-breasted suit. Buttoned. Dr. Brussels nailed it. Ambitious or not, he got far more personality elements right than he got wrong.
The photo Simon used in the video of Mateski in custody literally shows him wearing a buttoned double breasted suit. I have no idea why Simon would say the profiler got it wrong.
Lacy what man didn’t wear double breasted suits back then? Especially a businessman or some one capable of making the things he did? He also wasn’t a foreigner. How do you know he hadn’t read the criminal profile and chose to fulfill them.
Not proud of this fact, but I served time in prison in California from 1997-2004. During a couple of those years, after two strokes, I was sent to what was known as CMF (California Medical Facility at Vacaville). There, I met Ed Kemper, who to me was a really nice guy. He'd bring by his bible, and we'd sit reading verses together; sometimes he'd bring me books. This was part of his prison job as a Pastoral Care Services worker. I never felt any qualm of fear, and Ed was always respectful and, unlike most other convicts, spoke without using profanity. It just goes to show you how little we understand the human mind and what atrocities we are capable of.
@@ChairmanMeow1 His mother was a serious piece of work. Very controlling and had a violent temper. Who knows why he tolerated her all those years? I would have run away... far away!
@@thomasdarby6084 Everyone thinks that, but often when we are put in those situations we act very differently. That's one of the reasons I find this stuff so interesting. We pretend we're inherently different, but we are not.
@@BookWarrior9 Some people are some people aren't. Just like not every kid who experience atrocious abuse doesn't necessarily abuse, or become an addict, or whatever. People are different. A lot of people will act differently than they think, and for sure there are people who would dismiss that idea who would be exactly that type, but really people are different and react very differently to life circumstances, including horrible life circumstances.
@@LB-ou8wt I apologize in advance for the length, but this is an issue I am passionate about. First off, I was responding to Thomas Darby's comment that he would have run away from Kemper's mother if he was him. Often in abusive situations due to the emotional abuse they are enduring, the victim believes they deserve the abuse, that they couldn't get away, or couldn't survive on their own. This and the fact that they likely love their abuser, especially a kid, are why they don't leave and feel like they can't get away no matter what - leading to Kemper feeling he needed to kill her but being afraid to and deflecting that anger to other people. This is something very commonly misunderstood about abuse. Everyone says they would run away or leave, but that's misunderstanding the issue. The victim stays because they feel they have no options and he was a child, so he probably didn't either and the abuse likely started very early in his development. My point was to not just put yourself in another person's shoes, but in their history, mental state, personality to understand why they acted a certain way and that it's not so easy to say you wouldn't have done the same thing if you were them (in this case staying with his mother). As for your point, I agree. I actually come from some pretty awful circumstances myself and I didn't end up repeating those patterns - but it's been and still is a lot of work and specifically because I had the right people come into my life at the right time. I know that. A person's biology also has a lot to do with it as well as the coping mechanisms learned before.. I think it's 3 or 4 years old? Those are with you forever. I'm not excusing his actions (at all). He was obviously mentally ill and smart enough to even know that about himself and talk circles around the professionals. But if we vilify and focus on that instead of trying to understand, then we have no chance of rehabilitation or helping the next kid before they get to that point.
I read one of Robert Ressler's books a long ago and it was really interesting. It was called Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI (with Tom Shachtman.)
My mother was almost a victim of Ted Bundy. She fit the looks of most of his victims. It was in Feb of 1978 in Jacksonville, Florida. She remembered coming out of a shopping center and waited on my father who was using the restroom at the time when he pulled up to her in the FSU van he stole and he tried to get her in the vehicle saying he was lost and needed directions. She was wary and backed up some and told him to buzz off and he pressed her for more help until my dad came up to her and made a quip about FSU sucking since he was a Gator fan and how Noles always get lost. He directed him to the highway and walked with my mom to the car. She always said he gave her the major creeps and wouldn’t have gotten into the van at any cost. I think that’s what saved her and since I wasn’t born until 1984 I was also saved in the long run. She doesn’t like talking about her run in with that killer. My dad before he passed away spoke of remembering that jerk since he thought his wife was being hit on and told me the night a few months later they saw his mug plastered on the tv screen and found out he was a serial killer. My mom told me at that moment she got cold and shivered. My dad got enraged and wanted to kill the jerk himself. I think he realized what could have happened.
RE: Ted Bundy, they relocated his trial to Orlando Fla. and I worked with Clifford Lister who was on the Jury for Bundy's trial. He voted for death penalty at the time, but became a preacher afterward and was against the death penalty when I worked with him post-trial in the '80s. He told me how horrific the crime scene photos from the Gainsville UoF murders were.
@@jaystreet46 yes when the police arrived to arrest him he was in his sleep wear and knowing that it was over asked if he could go change into something more appropriate.
I remember girls cutting and dyeing their hair because of Bundy and I remember someone who set up a grill selling Bundy Burgers the day he was executed.
If you can get your hands on a high school or college year book of the time, you will notice that most of the girls with dark hair will wear it long and parted in the middle. Maybe Bundy liked girls with long hair parted in the middle. Maybe that was just what was most available to him. He has since done the chair dance, so we will never know.
If you can count something, then it's "number" (and "fewer"). If you can't count it, then it's "amount" (and "less"). For example: number of people; amount of water; fewer minutes; less time).
I lived through the DC sniper attacks. The profiles were wayyy off in that case. *Everyone* was looking for a white van or truck, ended up being a blue Monte Carlo. It was also assumed that the shooter was operating alone and was white when it was in fact two black men. In some cases profiles are scary accurate, but they can be dead wrong too.
I read a book written by one of the agents that worked on that profile and their profile was correct. They issued inaccurate information on purpose. The vehicle because they didn't have enough to close in and didn't want to scare him into a hiatus and risk losing the trail. His reasoning for the description of the suspect being wrong was PC based. They were concerned about civil unrest if they released information pointing the finger at a black male.
I have always lived in Hampton Roads but I have a lot of family near the beltway. We watched the updates at work daily. It was crazy. It seemed to us that he was working his way south but he never got here thankfully.
Wish I Was Sleeping I was in an abnormal psych class at GW at the time, and we all created profiles for the killers. When they were caught, the professor walked in, threw up his hands and said, “I give up!” I ended up working with a guy who responded to the Spotsylvania scene. You’re right, it was a crazy time.
im new to your videos but i cant absorb them quick enough.. enough info to keep you hooked and sign posts to widen my very basic knowledge of pretty much everything. thanks.
He wasn't wrong, he was a first generation immigrant (his parents had moved to the states from Europe). He lived with his sister and when arrested at her house he was in a dressing gown, the officers asked him to get dressed and he put on a double breasted suit.
Simon said that George Meteski did not wear a double breasted suit as predicted by the profiler. But Meteski is pictured being handled by the police wearing a double breasted suit. (time mark 3:12)
Someone above said they read that Meteski was apprehended in his pajamas - and asked police if he could change before being taken downtown. Apparently, he changed in to the suit.
My first boss knew Dahmer's stepfather. He said that he {the stepfather} felt Dahmer was crazy even as a kid. One thing Simon didn't bring up is the Homicidal Triad: animal cruelty, fire starting and late bed wetting without a medical reason.
@@sirenachantal471 sorry, late responding, I recently learned about the debunking of the Triad, but animal cruelty is a sign something is wrong. Anyone who abuses animals goes on to hurt other people.
Years ago, when John Douglas’ book Mind Hunter was published, I spent a day with him. He came across as brilliant & intense, with a few unexpected flashes of real anger. Sort of most of us, but brighter and more logical. I liked him.
Marcee Rodgers I read it when it came out, it is a great read, got me into forensic science and forensic psychology. Bums me Douglas isn’t mentioned much in this comment section. I scrolled down looking and you were the first mention!
Whoever fights monsters audible book by Robert Ressler! It's 11 hours and 5 minutes but, well worth your time. I highly recommended it.👈 Excellent book!👍
THIS should have been longer! You gotta do more & more in depth, pretty please. Great job to all involved. Thanks for a fantastic video. You have got yourselves a new sub! 🤗🌷🌷
Given that Simon is a Brit, he most definitely knows about Boxing Day. However most Americans have no idea about Boxing Day. I used to have to explain it to my US customers every year when our office was closed on Dec 26 and they were working. As a Canadian, we get many more Statutory Holidays than the Americans. The only ones we share are Labour Day and Christmas Day.
When the facility released Edmund Kemper, his release paperwork reflected that it was highly suggested that he not be placed with his mother whatsoever as it was likely to create a deadly outcome. So......the authorities immediately took him to live with his mother.
I've seen documentaries on almost all these murderers but there were some interesting facts i had never heard before. I like that this guy talks fast but not too fast. More bang for your buck in a way when you just want to watch something while you eat
I never saw Kemper as a genius. Definitely very smart and well spoken. I have a mid 130s IQ and I am certainly no genius. In my experience genius level IQ (>150-160) tends to manifest as trouble with interpersonal communication. The smartest people I've met are generally shy and socially awkward. I think 120-140 IQ killers are more dangerous because while very smart they tend to be more well spoken and therefore manipulative. I could be way off but that's just something I have noticed over the years. Criminology and specifically behavioral profiling has always been fascinating to me.
I’m in the mid 120s but myself and those I know with similar iqs are more socially awkward and communication is a bit rough although they are intelligent. The people of higher iqs (high 130s-150s etc) are much more articulate in my experience. Very well spoken.
@@kievanrus9434 i definitely see what you mean. There are what most people call book smarts, and their is practical intelligence, like when it comes to fixing things or construction work and the like. Ive met alot of guys who could get your car running or roof your house, but cant even spell their own name.
LOVE this video. Please do more. You should have an entire channel on this topic. Episodes (more than 1) for each person. I would be glued to the screen. I know... I have a morbid fascination with this topic. I always want to know why they do what they do.
You might like this. Years later my husband and I were at a law enforcement conference. There were many activities for the wives. But my husband knew me. There was a discussion group on Jeffery McDonald. The Green Beret that murdered his wife and 2 daughters. There were all kinds of law enforcement there that were on the scene and then later going through the evidence. So me and 700 law enforcement officers sat through a 3 hour explanation of exactly how Jeffery McDonald murdered his family. It was fascinating.
Relatively few kill so many. It's well worth studying. Also, imagine all of the prevention that this study brings! You could be working with someone who suffers like a serial killer, and your kindness and respect may be what keeps their demons under control! It further begs the question 'born or made?' However, many men have been conditioned to violence (soldiering) more so than those who're violence prone.
Pretty interesting topic Simon, I remember the Dahmer case all too well, my freshman year of high school I remember on the first day of school the principal announcing over the PA system if any students needed to talk about one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims who did attend my school that they were able to speak with a counselor. The victim's name was Konerak Sinthasomphone (14) whose family were refugees from Laos.
Edmund Kemper did not "outsmart" the staff. He memorized the answers to their assessment tests. He was amiable and congenial and after spending several years there he was made a trustee where he helped the medical staff as an assistant or "trustee". Then he aged out at 21, he didn't outsmart the doctors to be released.
Awesome video!! I will have to share this link with my friends. This would a welcome addition to our psychological discussion on serial killers. Also, thanks for the links to further readings (some we've already explored).
With the power of dna evidence, and law enforcement's access to dna data at sites like 23andme, and Ancestry, i don't know how anyone can get away with any crime, anymore, let alone serial killering.
Dahli Lance There are some amazing books just out this year on crime on Amazon. I have always been fascinated by crime solving and behavioral science. My friend and I have a disturbing game where we sit in a bar and profile the people around us. It's a bad habit, but often accurate!
Dahli Lance That would make an amazing movie!! In accordance with new diversity laws FBI has to hire more woman, people of color, diff sexual orientation and most importantly super young and old people. With a new dangerous killer on the loose a grizzled verteran profiler must stop him with the help of his 7 year old partner. Who im imagining in my head is prob dressed like woody from toy Story. In between the mandatory hide and seek breaks the partner demands they will take down this deranged killer.
Mine too. I love criminal psychology & sociology. If I could interview anyone it would need to be Ted Bundy. I find him fascinating from a psychological aspect
"UnSub" is short for "Unknown Subject", not "Unknown Suspect". by definition, you cannot be a Suspect until your identity is known or at least suspected. Once you are a Suspect, you are no longer an UnSub. Also, the Behavioural Sciences Unit was renamed the Behavioural Analysis Unit because police, even other FBI agents, didn't take the BS Unit seriously, however silly that sounds.
I grew up by the Chattahoochee :P. This happened before I was born, but scary non the less. They still find bodies, the last one was 5 or so years ago.
"ted" theodore bundy Never heard it said like that, except for 'ted" theodore logan usually nicknames are in the middle, like no one says "bill' william smith
I saw author Ann Rule at a conference many years ago. She worked with Ted Bundy on a suicide prevention hot line in Seattle (if I remember correctly). He always insisted on walking her to her car after the shift. She asked him why, and he said because you never know if a psychopath is nearby. They became friends. When he was finally arrested she was the first person he called. During his incarceration Rule asked him why he didn't kill her. He said he never killed people he knew.
Man the 70s was really something
"The golden age of serial killers"
Makes me incredibly thankful for both DNA and cell phone tech becoming common.
2020-21, hold my "year."
@@kendrickoyola4290 lol not even close to being as bad as the 70s!
@@kendrickoyola4290 beat me to it
Regarding Wayne Williams (Atlanta murders) 2 things: 1) the murders stopped as soon as he was of the streets, 2) they did DNA tests (in 2010) and it was a 98% match. So there's that...
That's a relief
Unfortunately, Not a relief for the families whose children were murdered. WWJ still not been formally charged with the murders .
Matched which victim? They have never been able to prove that he killed a child.
I think they had enough.. Depends on what the judge allows, but there was enough there..
I have little doubt a few of the murders were done by someone else, but he did the vast majority..
You have to remember how it went down.. At the end they were finding bodies almost every week.. That’s a serial killer..
Henk Van de Goor I dont know, maybe. They were 28 killing, he may be involved in a few. But I believe the KKK and other pedophiles were involved for the rest.
There’s no sufficient evidence linking him to certain child murders, only male adult males.
Thank you so much for covering Robert Ressler's work. John Douglas is more well known, possibly because he's written more books, but Ressler's contribution to the field cannot be understated. His book Whoever Fights Monsters is a fantastic read!
Robert Ressler was my uncle. Great guy and he is missed.
If you’re interested in this kind of stuff, Mindhunter by John Douglas is a must read. One of the many insights I’m fascinated by is the feeling of regret and remorse some of the killers would experience after killing. They would promise themselves never to do it again, until the “pressure” would build up and they had to kill again. This is in direct contrast to what we tend to believe happens. That being that the serial killer could just turn it on and off at will. Many of them (certainly not all) would suffer great pangs of guilt and an unbearable conscience, vowing to stop killing and straighten out. Only to do it again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during the zodiac killer years, the satanic murder/sacrifice at Stanford University, the vampire killer, and others...it seemed like it was risky to leave the house! Being able to identify serial killers has undoubtedly saved many lives.
All profilers say that the victims that because the person looks normal, speaks normal that he couldn't be a killer,,most profilers say they do unspeakable things,while not panicking, ted Bundy figured out in one case that if he sacked his lawyer ,he'd get access to the prison library, which was across the road,after a few court date's, playing with the guards,, testing everything, limit's, until the day or so before the trail began, ted escaped,, so just look like everyone else, u me anyone walking past,say hello etc, after that escape he new all they had against him,when representing himself, he's in titled to see everything, that's why ,sadly he went into a girls college campus and killed everyone in it,except the one person who hid ,but seen ted who thought he killed everyone... She picked him out,now police, FBI all hands on deck,the witness describes him as WEARING ALL BLACK ,WALKING DOWN TAKING HIS MASK OFF,SHE didn't BREATH FOR WHAT FELT LIKE 10 MINUTES, BUT REALISTICALLY, ABOUT A MINUTE... THIS ANIMAL HAS ,HAD GROUPIES....EVEN AS EVIDENCE WAS BEEN READ OUT...NOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND....
the 70's & 80's were the thriving years of Serial killings in USA..something in the water?? Some of the most atrocious & sadistic killers emerged from that time..candyman Corll, Gacy,Dahmer Bundy, Heidnik, Norris& Bitteker..List goes on & on..I bet there were lots more all around the world but no profiling existed in others countries..Age of Demons?? Who knows..
@@gigiarmany They existed before and theres some surviving records regarding those who were eventually caught. The greater scrutiny and aide of modern forensic science has certainly led to increased awareness.
Adry Armani they have always existed we merely developed the tools to catch them then. Also a lot of the proliferation of serial killers has to do with the media and how they started to be covered then. By turning them into celebrity’s it also drove a lot of sick people into becoming serial killers wanting that same “fame”. I think you’re joking about something in the water? At least I hope you are cause that’s some grade A Alex Jones craziness. The fact is humanity as a whole the longer we are around actually gets less violent, which is shocking I know considering how the media acts, but as they say “if it bleeds it leads”. Hell pre the twentieth century, murder was absolutely rampant as means to solve problems.
TLDR: It just seems like there’s more murderers/serial killers now (or in 70’s 80’s like you said) because of how well documented they are in the media, and because of forensic science making it much harder to get away with.
@@boshamburger123 "Something in the water" is just a common turn of phrase bud, it doesnt actually mean yo think theres a Gov conspiracy of poisoned well water lol.
Cool video. Robert Ressler was my uncle. He was a great guy and you would never know from speaking with him that he spent most of his adult life neck deep in this world of unimaginable violence and butchery. He was a very interesting fellow to say the least and served his country in the military as well as the FBI.
If you ever watch Most Evil, Kemper is the only person still living that received a score of 22 on that show. That is the highest level of a criminal. Due to his genius level IQ, his size and strength ( he’s 6’9” and around 300 lbs and was said to be as strong as an ox) and his cunning along with the atrocities he committed he is considered the most dangerous among serial killers that is still alive. I think he could be a great asset in catching current serial killers. A great person to study and get the mindset of a serial killer.
Dahmer got the highest level on the show as well
It's kind of funny but Kemper actually met another serial killer in prison who he proceeded to mindfuck and behaviorally train because he didn't like the guy.
Carolina Lopez Ruvalcaba
You are correct and so did Bundy. I should have said “Living” criminal. My bad. Thanks for the correction. I will change my post to make it more clear.
Johnathan Blackwell
I had read that but forgot the guys name.
Do you happen to know who it was?
Johnathan Blackwell yup Herbert Mullin. both where active at the same time in the same area (Santa Cruz, California)
MindHunter was such a freaking great show. I was hoping that we'd get enough seasons to cover all of these particular killers in interviews and active cases.
I worked with a guy who lived a few doors down from Dahmer. He said that he was one of the nicest people he ever met. A little weird, but very nice. Kinda spooky.
thats very common amount serial killers, they have way to be not stand out from the crowd
Yikes 😳
Dahmer surely has a lot of fans
He clearly didn't know him.
Of all the serial killers studied, Dahmer was one of the most troubled and he actually felt remorse for the killings...unlike Gacy. Not that I sympathize in any way, but it’s different than most serial killers.
For clarification, "Spree" and "Serial" killers should not be confused as being the same. The three basic differences of the two are:
1. Motive
2. Span of time. A serial killer can remain dormant for years between kills, Re: Dennis Rader (BTK); the Green River Killer; Ted Bundy; Isreal Keyes.
3. Tools (weapons) used. Spree killers tend to use firearms whereas serial killers tend to use up close tools; their hands, ligatures, fire, poisons, legal or illegal drugs; however, they will also use firearms (ie, the DC Sniper, the Ice Man).
Wow! Anyone else think that the guy that they got to play Edmund Kemper on Mindhunters is a dead ringer for the real thing? (sorry for the unintentional pun)
Well wouldn't it be pointless if you wanted to portray an individual and got someone who doesn't resemble said individual?
He KILLED that role! My favorite character!
@@heidismutti I'm assuming you're using "killed" as a term for he played the role well? If so I definitely think he did a great job of it.
KungFuBlitzKrieg Kemper was killer tall. I wonder if they used movie magic or if the actor was that height as well.
@@shannonlee853 I remember watching a 2part WII drama in the 90s, and the guy who played Hitler had a massive moleon his face. That was bad casting at its best.
RE George Metesky. The police knocked on his door in the early morning hours and he knew right away that the jig was up. As it was morning, he was wearing pajamas when the police arrived, and when asked if he could dress before being taken in for booking, the police agreed. Moments later he emerged from his bedroom wearing a double-breasted suit. Buttoned. Dr. Brussels nailed it. Ambitious or not, he got far more personality elements right than he got wrong.
yes! i knew i had read that about him changing into the suit. thanks
The photo Simon used in the video of Mateski in custody literally shows him wearing a buttoned double breasted suit. I have no idea why Simon would say the profiler got it wrong.
also lived with his two sisters and never married, probably a virgin, which was also in the profile. Bad research
Lacy what man didn’t wear double breasted suits back then? Especially a businessman or some one capable of making the things he did? He also wasn’t a foreigner.
How do you know he hadn’t read the criminal profile and chose to fulfill them.
Shawn Williams
double breasted suits were more common, but still not exactly ubiquitous. he wasnt a businessman, he was a skilled laborer
Not proud of this fact, but I served time in prison in California from 1997-2004. During a couple of those years, after two strokes, I was sent to what was known as CMF (California Medical Facility at Vacaville). There, I met Ed Kemper, who to me was a really nice guy. He'd bring by his bible, and we'd sit reading verses together; sometimes he'd bring me books. This was part of his prison job as a Pastoral Care Services worker. I never felt any qualm of fear, and Ed was always respectful and, unlike most other convicts, spoke without using profanity. It just goes to show you how little we understand the human mind and what atrocities we are capable of.
He's the one serial killer I've read about that really does seem like he could have been normal with a different upbringing.
@@ChairmanMeow1 His mother was a serious piece of work. Very controlling and had a violent temper. Who knows why he tolerated her all those years? I would have run away... far away!
@@thomasdarby6084 Everyone thinks that, but often when we are put in those situations we act very differently. That's one of the reasons I find this stuff so interesting. We pretend we're inherently different, but we are not.
@@BookWarrior9 Some people are some people aren't. Just like not every kid who experience atrocious abuse doesn't necessarily abuse, or become an addict, or whatever. People are different. A lot of people will act differently than they think, and for sure there are people who would dismiss that idea who would be exactly that type, but really people are different and react very differently to life circumstances, including horrible life circumstances.
@@LB-ou8wt I apologize in advance for the length, but this is an issue I am passionate about.
First off, I was responding to Thomas Darby's comment that he would have run away from Kemper's mother if he was him. Often in abusive situations due to the emotional abuse they are enduring, the victim believes they deserve the abuse, that they couldn't get away, or couldn't survive on their own. This and the fact that they likely love their abuser, especially a kid, are why they don't leave and feel like they can't get away no matter what - leading to Kemper feeling he needed to kill her but being afraid to and deflecting that anger to other people. This is something very commonly misunderstood about abuse. Everyone says they would run away or leave, but that's misunderstanding the issue. The victim stays because they feel they have no options and he was a child, so he probably didn't either and the abuse likely started very early in his development. My point was to not just put yourself in another person's shoes, but in their history, mental state, personality to understand why they acted a certain way and that it's not so easy to say you wouldn't have done the same thing if you were them (in this case staying with his mother).
As for your point, I agree. I actually come from some pretty awful circumstances myself and I didn't end up repeating those patterns - but it's been and still is a lot of work and specifically because I had the right people come into my life at the right time. I know that. A person's biology also has a lot to do with it as well as the coping mechanisms learned before.. I think it's 3 or 4 years old? Those are with you forever. I'm not excusing his actions (at all). He was obviously mentally ill and smart enough to even know that about himself and talk circles around the professionals. But if we vilify and focus on that instead of trying to understand, then we have no chance of rehabilitation or helping the next kid before they get to that point.
I read one of Robert Ressler's books a long ago and it was really interesting. It was called Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI (with Tom Shachtman.)
My mother was almost a victim of Ted Bundy. She fit the looks of most of his victims. It was in Feb of 1978 in Jacksonville, Florida. She remembered coming out of a shopping center and waited on my father who was using the restroom at the time when he pulled up to her in the FSU van he stole and he tried to get her in the vehicle saying he was lost and needed directions. She was wary and backed up some and told him to buzz off and he pressed her for more help until my dad came up to her and made a quip about FSU sucking since he was a Gator fan and how Noles always get lost. He directed him to the highway and walked with my mom to the car. She always said he gave her the major creeps and wouldn’t have gotten into the van at any cost. I think that’s what saved her and since I wasn’t born until 1984 I was also saved in the long run. She doesn’t like talking about her run in with that killer. My dad before he passed away spoke of remembering that jerk since he thought his wife was being hit on and told me the night a few months later they saw his mug plastered on the tv screen and found out he was a serial killer. My mom told me at that moment she got cold and shivered. My dad got enraged and wanted to kill the jerk himself. I think he realized what could have happened.
RE: Ted Bundy, they relocated his trial to Orlando Fla. and I worked with Clifford Lister who was on the Jury for Bundy's trial. He voted for death penalty at the time, but became a preacher afterward and was against the death penalty when I worked with him post-trial in the '80s. He told me how horrific the crime scene photos from the Gainsville UoF murders were.
Um...George Metesky, aka the Mad Bomber, did indeed appear in the arrest photo wearing a double-breasted suit jacket.
As he was being arrested, he changed in to the suit.
Jason st germain that's what I thought too.
That was my first thought
@@jaystreet46 yes when the police arrived to arrest him he was in his sleep wear and knowing that it was over asked if he could go change into something more appropriate.
But that's only because no one goes to sleep wearing a suit 👔
I remember girls cutting and dyeing their hair because of Bundy and I remember someone who set up a grill selling Bundy Burgers the day he was executed.
If you can get your hands on a high school or college year book of the time, you will notice that most of the girls with dark hair will wear it long and parted in the middle. Maybe Bundy liked girls with long hair parted in the middle. Maybe that was just what was most available to him.
He has since done the chair dance, so we will never know.
They also did that for the Son of Sam
If you can count something, then it's "number" (and "fewer"). If you can't count it, then it's "amount" (and "less"). For example: number of people; amount of water; fewer minutes; less time).
Rainy Jane interesting never knew that but what about money - you can count but would use amount not number - is this an exception?
@@nickynarbin You can only count money in dollars, or yen etc.
So money itself is an amount and you have "less" money, but "fewer" dollars.
It's a mistake most people make and it grates on me. I'm a writer and a bit of a SPAG fanatic.
Hey I met that FBI profiler that consulted for the show criminal minds when I was in college. Neat.
Plot twist: He wasn't there as a speaker but, to interview you as a possible suspect? 😅
@@NarwahlGaming 😂
Robert resseller? Was it at wesleyan in NC?
John Douglas was the consultant for Mindhunters. For criminal minds it was a former FBI profiler named Jim Clemente. So not Ressler.
That is wicked cool
I was just glued to the screen. It was a very interesting video. Thanks for all you do to bring these videos to us.
This was a really interesting video! Thank you Simon! ♥
Well, that is definitely the most Australian name I've ever seen on youtube. . .
Moral of the story....
Avoid people with the name “John” 😂
Avoid white people too
Or middle name Wayne
John Wayne Whiteman
Finnur Nielsen, hi- Tom & Dan are sleazy people names too. Avoid those duds.
@@lucasbrotemarkle1464 😂😂😂
Happy new year simon n production team!
Great video Simon, fascinating stuff.
I lived through the DC sniper attacks. The profiles were wayyy off in that case. *Everyone* was looking for a white van or truck, ended up being a blue Monte Carlo. It was also assumed that the shooter was operating alone and was white when it was in fact two black men. In some cases profiles are scary accurate, but they can be dead wrong too.
I read a book written by one of the agents that worked on that profile and their profile was correct. They issued inaccurate information on purpose. The vehicle because they didn't have enough to close in and didn't want to scare him into a hiatus and risk losing the trail. His reasoning for the description of the suspect being wrong was PC based. They were concerned about civil unrest if they released information pointing the finger at a black male.
@@jhamilton07 that makes a lot of sense. I'm interested to read more about it. It was crazy living here when that was going on.
I have always lived in Hampton Roads but I have a lot of family near the beltway. We watched the updates at work daily. It was crazy. It seemed to us that he was working his way south but he never got here thankfully.
Wish I Was Sleeping I was in an abnormal psych class at GW at the time, and we all created profiles for the killers. When they were caught, the professor walked in, threw up his hands and said, “I give up!” I ended up working with a guy who responded to the Spotsylvania scene. You’re right, it was a crazy time.
im new to your videos but i cant absorb them quick enough.. enough info to keep you hooked and sign posts to widen my very basic knowledge of pretty much everything. thanks.
Pleeeease make a part 2 of this video!! It's honestly the best video you guys have ever made (in my opinion)
Looking forward to Mindhunter season 2, such a interesting but dark matter!!
WICKED MAN been waiting forever for it
Well...how did you like it?
lol i just watched it is truely amazing
3:08 - he is literally wearing a buttoned down double breasted suit.
james h Yes, I read about this case. He was wearing that type of suit when they arrested him.
Saw that. It makes no sense why they say he was wrong about that bit when it seems obvious he was correct 🤔
He wasn't wrong, he was a first generation immigrant (his parents had moved to the states from Europe). He lived with his sister and when arrested at her house he was in a dressing gown, the officers asked him to get dressed and he put on a double breasted suit.
Lol yeah he was right
Simon said that George Meteski did not wear a double breasted suit as predicted by the profiler.
But Meteski is pictured being handled by the police wearing a double breasted suit. (time mark 3:12)
Someone above said they read that Meteski was apprehended in his pajamas - and asked police if he could change before being taken downtown. Apparently, he changed in to the suit.
My first boss knew Dahmer's stepfather. He said that he {the stepfather} felt Dahmer was crazy even as a kid. One thing Simon didn't bring up is the Homicidal Triad: animal cruelty, fire starting and late bed wetting without a medical reason.
April Richards The triad was scientifically found to be false.
@@sirenachantal471 sorry, late responding, I recently learned about the debunking of the Triad, but animal cruelty is a sign something is wrong. Anyone who abuses animals goes on to hurt other people.
Who was Dahmer's stepfather? Ive never heard that his mother ever remarried.
I found this extremely interesting, as I do all of Simon’s videos, including other channels!
Love the show "Mindhunters" show on Netflix, so naturally this video pecked my interest. Great video, surprised you haven't reached 1M+ subs!
pecked = piqued
"piqued"
Years ago, when John Douglas’ book Mind Hunter was published, I spent a day with him. He came across as brilliant & intense, with a few unexpected flashes of real anger. Sort of most of us, but brighter and more logical. I liked him.
This was very well made. Thank you.
This book is a great read: Mind Hunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit, by John Douglas & Mark Olshaker
Seconded- read it in a college criminology course. Had nightmares for 3 months, but it was absolutely fascinating.
Read Signature Killers by Douglas and I found it amazing the details that lead to captures as well as linking different crimes to one person
Fascinating book.
Marcee Rodgers I read it when it came out, it is a great read, got me into forensic science and forensic psychology. Bums me Douglas isn’t mentioned much in this comment section. I scrolled down looking and you were the first mention!
Whoever fights monsters audible book by Robert Ressler! It's 11 hours and 5 minutes but, well worth your time. I highly recommended it.👈 Excellent book!👍
Zelda Williams Thank you, I’m going to look for that.
I read that book 23 years ago and it changed my life. I still have the hardback first edition. One of the greatest books I've ever read.
I find your tenz interesting as well entertaining. Thanks for something informative.
THIS should have been longer! You gotta do more & more in depth, pretty please.
Great job to all involved. Thanks for a fantastic video.
You have got yourselves a new sub! 🤗🌷🌷
Thanks Simon, very interesting
‘“The day after Christmas”
We call that Boxing Day, Simon.
Given that Simon is a Brit, he most definitely knows about Boxing Day. However most Americans have no idea about Boxing Day. I used to have to explain it to my US customers every year when our office was closed on Dec 26 and they were working. As a Canadian, we get many more Statutory Holidays than the Americans. The only ones we share are Labour Day and Christmas Day.
Fascinating video! I love learning about serial killers and love Mindhunter. Great video
When the facility released Edmund Kemper, his release paperwork reflected that it was highly suggested that he not be placed with his mother whatsoever as it was likely to create a deadly outcome. So......the authorities immediately took him to live with his mother.
I was the young man when John Joubert did his thing. Everybody in the entire city of Omaha was freaked out for months until he was caught!!
did his thing?? a hobby to be proud of?? smh
Me too. I was 10 years old when it all happened. My parents never let me deliver newspapers because of Joubert.
Great video. Show was great and great analysis
Certain entries do actually still bring enough chills that I had to skip over it. You got that right.
Wow, some serial killers that I hadn't heard of before, one arrested in my own town!
I've seen documentaries on almost all these murderers but there were some interesting facts i had never heard before. I like that this guy talks fast but not too fast. More bang for your buck in a way when you just want to watch something while you eat
Brilliant video
I never saw Kemper as a genius. Definitely very smart and well spoken. I have a mid 130s IQ and I am certainly no genius. In my experience genius level IQ (>150-160) tends to manifest as trouble with interpersonal communication. The smartest people I've met are generally shy and socially awkward. I think 120-140 IQ killers are more dangerous because while very smart they tend to be more well spoken and therefore manipulative. I could be way off but that's just something I have noticed over the years. Criminology and specifically behavioral profiling has always been fascinating to me.
My IQ has been tested at 148. What do you make of me?
My IQ is also in the mid 130's! :)
I’m in the mid 120s but myself and those I know with similar iqs are more socially awkward and communication is a bit rough although they are intelligent. The people of higher iqs (high 130s-150s etc) are much more articulate in my experience. Very well spoken.
@@kievanrus9434 i definitely see what you mean. There are what most people call book smarts, and their is practical intelligence, like when it comes to fixing things or construction work and the like. Ive met alot of guys who could get your car running or roof your house, but cant even spell their own name.
Kempers IQ retested at 145
Another Great Review...Thanks!
LOVE this video. Please do more. You should have an entire channel on this topic. Episodes (more than 1) for each person. I would be glued to the screen.
I know... I have a morbid fascination with this topic. I always want to know why they do what they do.
Excellent!!
One of the best episodes so far
A lot more detail on Franklin than I'd ever heard. Crutchley I'd never heard of. Really well done, a great assortment of facts.
Like your format and video presentation. Great job Simon
Ressler is a badass
Douglas is great too
Yeha he was.
Many, many years ago I met John Douglas. My husband was at the FBI academy.
did he read through your soul?
It was at the very beginning of the Behavior Science unit. I just met him at a social event.
You might like this. Years later my husband and I were at a law enforcement conference. There were many activities for the wives. But my husband knew me. There was a discussion group on Jeffery McDonald. The Green Beret that murdered his wife and 2 daughters. There were all kinds of law enforcement there that were on the scene and then later going through the evidence. So me and 700 law enforcement officers sat through a 3 hour explanation of exactly how Jeffery McDonald murdered his family. It was fascinating.
@@cathybrown7559 thanks for sharing, it is very fascinating!
@@cathybrown7559 wow.. wish I would have been there..😍
Relatively few kill so many. It's well worth studying. Also, imagine all of the prevention that this study brings! You could be working with someone who suffers like a serial killer, and your kindness and respect may be what keeps their demons under control!
It further begs the question 'born or made?' However, many men have been conditioned to violence (soldiering) more so than those who're violence prone.
Thank you for these summaries.
What about a top 10 of profiling that were abysmal failures, like the profiles of the DC snipers?
Pretty interesting topic Simon, I remember the Dahmer case all too well, my freshman year of high school I remember on the first day of school the principal announcing over the PA system if any students needed to talk about one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims who did attend my school that they were able to speak with a counselor. The victim's name was Konerak Sinthasomphone (14) whose family were refugees from Laos.
Sinthasophmore * I can recognise the name but not say or write or pronounce or remember it once a reply box was Infront of it.
Did you know dalmer?!?!
Fkn Dahmer* fk sake it's like it's all Welsh, no offense
Edmund Kemper did not "outsmart" the staff. He memorized the answers to their assessment tests. He was amiable and congenial and after spending several years there he was made a trustee where he helped the medical staff as an assistant or "trustee". Then he aged out at 21, he didn't outsmart the doctors to be released.
The "fourth person" that Richard Chase took was a baby and what he did to that baby was so gruesome that I don't even want to comment it.
He mutilated the baby and threw it in the garbage.
I'd be interested to know what the miss ratio is.
I enjoy your videos immensely. Thank you for making them.
Very informing info in this video
Awesome video!! I will have to share this link with my friends. This would a welcome addition to our psychological discussion on serial killers. Also, thanks for the links to further readings (some we've already explored).
Well done!
Have you ever seen Simon Whistler and Michael Stevens in the same place? Hmm...
This would be Information-overkill....
.... Or.... would it?
I love this show it's my favorite show you have ever done thank you for doing it
With the power of dna evidence, and law enforcement's access to dna data at sites like 23andme, and Ancestry, i don't know how anyone can get away with any crime, anymore, let alone serial killering.
You have to actually find the evidence first....sad but true.
Evil don't ever ever let it win
one wise man once said: lol
that was me
im not wise tho
Y no
Excellent video. Well done.xx
I enjoyed this one a lot. Criminology is sort of a hobby of mine since I was about 7 or 8 years old.
Dahli Lance
There are some amazing books just out this year on crime on Amazon. I have always been fascinated by crime solving and behavioral science. My friend and I have a disturbing game where we sit in a bar and profile the people around us. It's a bad habit, but often accurate!
christine paris I do it too.
Dahli Lance That would make an amazing movie!! In accordance with new diversity laws FBI has to hire more woman, people of color, diff sexual orientation and most importantly super young and old people. With a new dangerous killer on the loose a grizzled verteran profiler must stop him with the help of his 7 year old partner. Who im imagining in my head is prob dressed like woody from toy Story. In between the mandatory hide and seek breaks the partner demands they will take down this deranged killer.
stephen Tot
Mine too. I love criminal psychology & sociology. If I could interview anyone it would need to be Ted Bundy. I find him fascinating from a psychological aspect
Was anyone else thinking about Criminal Minds the whole time??
Jalanaisawesome
My husband has it on practically twenty hours a day, there seems to be a 24/7 criminal minds channel.
I was at first, but after hearing more details about the "real" BAU I'm not *as* impressed by the show anymore.
I was thinking mindhunters
Criminal Minds series it utter crap.
Jalanaisawesome: Not until Simon Whistler mentioned the *BAU* and *unsubs.*
"UnSub" is short for "Unknown Subject", not "Unknown Suspect". by definition, you cannot be a Suspect until your identity is known or at least suspected. Once you are a Suspect, you are no longer an UnSub.
Also, the Behavioural Sciences Unit was renamed the Behavioural Analysis Unit because police, even other FBI agents, didn't take the BS Unit seriously, however silly that sounds.
Huh... Very very interesting! Thank you!
I grew up by the Chattahoochee :P. This happened before I was born, but scary non the less. They still find bodies, the last one was 5 or so years ago.
Awesome video
Thumbs up, though you missed the best fact among all this: Chase killed and drank blood because he thought it'd stop his head from changing shape.
That last quote though...
Great informative video! :)
BAU in my job means Business As Usual
Ninja of the night That's why they changed it. Because of the acronym. B.S. Unit.
This was fascinating.
Thank you.
Re: Edmund Kemper ...by definition, genius begins with an IQ score of 140, so 136 is just short of that designation.
Chris E he got the number wrong, a later iq test showed he had an iq of 145
well hes smarter than you so...
He was genius. Luckily not enough to not go to prison. Def a disgusting woman hater. Devil in human form.
Powerful Simon
I was stationed at Offutt AFB in Nebraska . And folks told me about Joubert.
Great show just finished Season 2 and it was great.
Your channels are amazing.
Impressive work!
Good work. I did note that J. Joubert has been in the Air Force, so was an “Airman” rather than a Soldier.
Great video!
"ted" theodore bundy
Never heard it said like that, except for 'ted" theodore logan
usually nicknames are in the middle, like no one says "bill' william smith
69, dude!
Is it bill cos he's like a black will?
Hes middle name was Robert not Theodore. lol
That, my friends, is what’s most terrifying about the true monsters of the world, “they look just like you and I”.
Great work.
That first story sounds like a setup lol.
Dude describes the clerk that shut off his power & adds "he'll be paranoid" to cover the guy's denial lmao
Great informative video with a couple of killers I've never heard about 🙄
Fantastic video! Please slow down
I saw author Ann Rule at a conference many years ago. She worked with Ted Bundy on a suicide prevention hot line in Seattle (if I remember correctly). He always insisted on walking her to her car after the shift. She asked him why, and he said because you never know if a psychopath is nearby. They became friends. When he was finally arrested she was the first person he called. During his incarceration Rule asked him why he didn't kill her. He said he never killed people he knew.