@@KameradAlex44 Hitler literally wanted to erradicate various groups of people as well as take over various parts of the world. The Nazis were indeed a threat
3 millions of German or Axis troops died in the Soviet Union. The Axis suffered 80% of total casualties on the Eastern Front. By the later war, more than 4 000 men were being made casualties every - single - day.
Interesting. In some way, pretty realistic. Stalin wanted to wait and let Allies fight the Germans and later be the decisive player. Also, Greece had a strong communist movements, for example ELAS. However, some things don't fit. 1. Hitler would never favor to invade Britain instead of USSR. Communism was always his greatest enemy. 2. If it still happened, the borders would be way different. First of all, USSR would be bigger, would annex states like Poland and Czechoslovakia. Second part, Germany would retain some lands east of Oder-Neisse. And I think it would not be divided. Also, it would keep Austria. Yugoslav-Italian border would also be different, with more lands for Yugoslavia 3. Communist movements in Italy and France. No, I don't think they would be so popular. De Gaulle was much better organised. I can imagine some civil war or east-west split, however. Italy, yes, had some significant communist movements, but southerners for instance would fight the Red Army or surrender to Allies. So Italy could also see a civil war or a north-south division.
I love how this almost depicts what the Third Reich and the USSR initially planned to split Eastern Europe as having become a reality prior to the non-aggression pact between them.
I'm pretty sure they kept that after the winter war, but when they lost the continuation war they gave it to the soviets. Since there is no continuation war in this scenario, they would have kept that bit
I approve. Although,a couple of things I need to ask 1-did Germany and Italy avoided declaring war on US? Because,then I doubt that the Allies wouldn't land at Southern Italy,and Soviets overruning it so quickly,as the Partisan movement was mostly in the north. As well as the Normandy landing,which,I think would be just as successful as IRL,considering that Germany in panic throws all resources to the East. 2-Post war map. Needs some more details,like,the allegiances of Nations on it,the German split explanation 3-Why does Yugoslavia owns Albania? Wouldn't it be more logical to Unite Bulgaria and Yugo instead? Albania is not Slavic. And if Balkan Socialist Union vibes,then unite them all together. Other than that,I approve.
Sure thing 1- I think you meant USA and yes they did, after the US declaration of war against Japan both Germany and Italy return the same respond to the US. Years later Italy is being invaded in the South and in the North which makes them forced to negotiate and join them against Germany. They let in the Soviets along with the Partisans into the country. Regarding the Allied amphibious assault on France, it certainly would be possible but still not an easy task to do just like in reality. The downside is that the battles over Britain goes on into 1942 and Germany would have beefed up its Western coastal defense since their focus was mostly on the West (North Africa too), this in general ensures the Atlantic Wall to be a strong defense and you can see at the end the last defenders remaining in those areas. My aim was to prevent this landing for this scenario and so I even made the war end a few weeks before the actual assault date. 2- I didn't think it needed to be addressed that much but basically Bavaria and Saarland are "self" governing states (Communist most likely) and Stalin strengthens the alliance with the Western Communists by accepting Netherlands' annexation plan and giving France (maybe with Belgium) its own occupation zone in Germany, the rest under Soviet control. 3- Albania have been influenced mostly by Yugoslavia and it wasn't that important for the Soviet Union, espacially now after "liberating" most of Europe. So Yugoslavia could annex Albania without interventions, but pushing for a unification with bulgaria might alarm the Soviet Union that Yugoslavia seeks a greater influence in Southern Europe. The post war map was created last days of the video for extra, it doesn't have to be accurate. I did read your other comment, thanks and sry for the late respond.
@@General-HDThe only thing I don't like is the fact that Germany isn't united. Stalin wanted a unified Germany as a strong ally, it's very likely Poland doesn't even get Germany's eastern lands
while i dont like the scenario as it lacks that little bit of "it could be possible", i really want to congrat you on the video itself. Great work with the animation.
The possibility is: Hitler didn't invade USSR. That's why it went like that. USSR was strengthening, while the war in Western Europe was going. Furthermore, operation Barbarossa started during the rearmament of the Soviet army. In this scenario, they have already modernised their army before joining the war
@@flame9826 the problem with the soviet army was not modernisation in the first place but the complete lack of any strategies or competent leadership. Without the war against russia germany would probably just sign a whitepeace with great britain, thus ending the war.
Have you forgotten who took Berlin? Have you forgotten who caused and suffered the most casualties? Was it the Soviet Union or did you Americans forget that?
The USSR didn't operate by itself in the war either, did you forget that? Without the numerous tons of Allied Lend Lease, the USSR would've had a much harder time even dealing with the Axis.
Thanks, you don't have to. There is already a suggestion about Axis victory and there are other ideas, so Idk if it will happen or what will even happen in the future.
@@gaymer7844 right but the other ones are terrible and unrealistic, and the borders look disgusting. The only good one was taken down by UA-cam and its style looks just like this vid.
@@tricksnotreats7277 problem with most german victorys is that the partition of russia looks awful and noone can agree on what germany would have kept after the war. this scenario is as unrealistic as any other as the soviet union was at no point capable of such pushes. Even with the MASSIVE amount of support via equipment and food from the americans.
@@andrefasching1332 They were only able to counterattack when the Germans stretched their supply lines and after the Battle of Stalingrad and Kursk. In this scenario, they were at the border. There is no way the Soviets could have successfully invaded the German heartland, especially that early on.
@@Sceptonic uhhh? what. im sorry but im not sure how thats relevant to my comment. I was talking about the partition of russia in a german victory scenario. That the russians were not able to invade germany is something i even stated in my first comment. anyways have a nice morning (its 5:00 here)
i think this is well made but i do have a problem, the german army was stronger than the soviets, what gave the soviets an advatage is that they could keep and grow their army. if the soviet union invaded germany then they would be pushed back, maybe afterward statrting a counter attack ad defeating germany. you could make this with the only differance being D-day happened at callis and failed. other wise ad a key and this is great stuff.
Thanks! There are other advantages for the Soviets in this alternate but overall Germany here isn’t the same Germany that invaded the Soviet Union, and they are the one who are caught by surprise and unprepared which is a different situation. It definitely would be a good idea to make a failed amphibious assault attempt on Calais/Normandy and prolong the war to the next year 1945 with the same outcome. I just decided instead to go for a greater Soviet victory with better combat capabilities, leadership and that could luckily end the conflict earlier, which is a more rare scenario.
@@General-HD in my opinion your are doing this with the wrong mindset, alternate history is done by changing one thing and having it lead you to the answer. It does require historical knowledge and context, but you shouldn't be aiming for anything.
@@unrealisticfiction4182 Yes that’s true but once again, which path will it take after that change? Will it lead to 1944 ending like in this scenario or instead end in 1945 with a failed allied landing or perhaps even in some other completely different scenarios? These what-if scenarios are impossible to predict by nature because we don’t know exactly how things would have changed and affected the future. I opted for the first option since my intention was to present a bigger Soviet success. The fact is that it’s not just one thing that changes here since “History does not happen in a vacuum”, so it could go for any of the alternative but the circumstances just need to be right.
@@General-HD the problem is it doesn't seem like you know much about WW2, the German army was much larger and better trained than the soviets. Even if the soviets begun an attack while Germany hasn't mobilized it would be pushed back. The only way the soviets could have had a larger winning is if 1. Germany didn't declare war on the US 2. Germany invaded Britain(which never could have happened) 3. D day failed A soviet offensive is unlikely to have the immediate success your simulation shows.
@@unrealisticfiction4182 A: The German army in the east, even with its allies isn't much larger, espacially if the Barbarossa loss doesn't happen and the Soviets attacks first in 1942. B: Read again the 2nd comment, your reasoning is based on the historical event but this is an alternate! C: Without the US involvment, D-Day wouldn't have been even attempted, so you clearly contradicted 3 with 1. If you just simply don't like it at all, then that's fine. I will leave it at that.
Слишком не логичны действия немцев. Гитлер сам прекрасно понимал, что, чем сильней он оттягивает начало войны, тем слабей он окажется по сравнению с СССР
A really high quality and entertaining video, sadly not really accurate. The Soviets wear down their oppontents like an iceberg and enflicting heavy losses on them while falling back in their homeland. The Blitzkrieg is only a german thing due to its encirclement and fear of two front wars. In my opinion the soviets would be stopped imedeatly by the far superior germans. Without the disaster in Russia, the germans would have all its manpower left. The soviet officer core was stuffed with complete morons, the germans could built up a defensive line at posen or the oder and would enflict severe damagt to the russians. I even think the germans would get some support of the west, because in the 40s communism was seen as a threat to the existence of western civilsation while many sympathised with the nazis in the us and england.
Glad that you enjoyed it and I respect your opinion. It's understandable to conclude that it's not realistic, but that's because of how different it is from the actual event which is the case when comparing to an alternate. The German combat capability in this alternate doesn't have to be the same as to how it was, and the Soviets in this scene have the manpower, resources and better leadership. Btw it's a headquarter named Tannenberg and it's located in Germany near French & Swiss border.
This is the highest effort kind of content we get out of mapping in 2021 and it's amazingly done, I guess go back to watching all endings videos for lazy but high accuracy videos then
This is actually pretty well made, you got a new sub
I love that it’s named “Soviet Victory”, although they worked with the Allies in WW2, they were still their own side. It was in a way a 3-way war.
They cooperated but kind of out of convenience as both sides knew how big a threat Fascism was.
@@DubABattery "threat" lol
@@KameradAlex44 Hitler literally wanted to erradicate various groups of people as well as take over various parts of the world. The Nazis were indeed a threat
WHY IS THIS SO UNDERATED! Subbed.
Great video !
Camarada Stalin,que lo trae por aquí casi 80 años después de su muerte?
The soviets crushed the Germans way too easily
3 millions of German or Axis troops died in the Soviet Union. The Axis suffered 80% of total casualties on the Eastern Front. By the later war, more than 4 000 men were being made casualties every - single - day.
@@AmritDillonAnd the Axis forces had deployed at least 200 divisions on the Eastern Front.
@@jamiemcintosh3030way more soviet troops died
@@jamiemcintosh3030soviets löst 28m 💀 What a Shame for soviets
@@axyldev I know.
I guess hidden gems in mapping exist in 2021, great video!
Interesting. In some way, pretty realistic. Stalin wanted to wait and let Allies fight the Germans and later be the decisive player. Also, Greece had a strong communist movements, for example ELAS.
However, some things don't fit.
1. Hitler would never favor to invade Britain instead of USSR. Communism was always his greatest enemy.
2. If it still happened, the borders would be way different. First of all, USSR would be bigger, would annex states like Poland and Czechoslovakia.
Second part, Germany would retain some lands east of Oder-Neisse. And I think it would not be divided. Also, it would keep Austria.
Yugoslav-Italian border would also be different, with more lands for Yugoslavia
3. Communist movements in Italy and France. No, I don't think they would be so popular. De Gaulle was much better organised. I can imagine some civil war or east-west split, however.
Italy, yes, had some significant communist movements, but southerners for instance would fight the Red Army or surrender to Allies. So Italy could also see a civil war or a north-south division.
You make some smooth alternative scenarios. Subscribed!
I love how this almost depicts what the Third Reich and the USSR initially planned to split Eastern Europe as having become a reality prior to the non-aggression pact between them.
Amazing video. I like how D Day is renamed to Neptune either that or I'm ignorant of something
The operational name for D Day is Operation Neptune in our timeline
Finland still has exit to the Arctic ocean.
I'm pretty sure they kept that after the winter war, but when they lost the continuation war they gave it to the soviets. Since there is no continuation war in this scenario, they would have kept that bit
@@Lica_The_Furry Well that was obvious.
Didn’t this channel have a video for an axis victory? I thought it was one of the best that existed for that scenario
Yes, it will be back but there is additional 30 days delay upload because of the same YT copyright song dispute problem that takes long time.
If Hitler commits suicide in Tannenberg, he would be hundreds of miles behind the russian lines
Tannenberg Headquarters was not in Tannenberg. It was directly beside the French Border.
Oh shit nvm got a few things wrong while I was distracted great vude
Finally something different
I approve.
Although,a couple of things I need to ask
1-did Germany and Italy avoided declaring war on US? Because,then I doubt that the Allies wouldn't land at Southern Italy,and Soviets overruning it so quickly,as the Partisan movement was mostly in the north. As well as the Normandy landing,which,I think would be just as successful as IRL,considering that Germany in panic throws all resources to the East.
2-Post war map. Needs some more details,like,the allegiances of Nations on it,the German split explanation
3-Why does Yugoslavia owns Albania? Wouldn't it be more logical to Unite Bulgaria and Yugo instead? Albania is not Slavic. And if Balkan Socialist Union vibes,then unite them all together.
Other than that,I approve.
The post war map is kinda random here
Germany and Italy avoid declaring war on Germany ??? 😅😅
Sure thing
1- I think you meant USA and yes they did, after the US declaration of war against Japan both Germany and Italy return the same
respond to the US. Years later Italy is being invaded in the South and in the North which makes them forced to negotiate and join them against Germany. They let in the Soviets along with the Partisans into the country. Regarding the Allied amphibious assault on France, it certainly would be possible but still not an easy task to do just like in reality. The downside is that the battles over Britain goes on into 1942 and Germany would have beefed up its Western coastal defense since their focus was mostly on the West (North Africa too), this in general ensures the Atlantic Wall to be a strong defense and you can see at the end the last defenders remaining in those areas. My aim was to prevent this landing for this scenario and so I even made the war end a few weeks before the actual assault date.
2- I didn't think it needed to be addressed that much but basically Bavaria and Saarland are "self" governing states (Communist most likely)
and Stalin strengthens the alliance with the Western Communists by accepting Netherlands' annexation plan and giving France (maybe with Belgium)
its own occupation zone in Germany, the rest under Soviet control.
3- Albania have been influenced mostly by Yugoslavia and it wasn't that important for the Soviet Union, espacially now after "liberating"
most of Europe. So Yugoslavia could annex Albania without interventions, but pushing for a unification with bulgaria might alarm the Soviet
Union that Yugoslavia seeks a greater influence in Southern Europe. The post war map was created last days of the video for extra, it doesn't
have to be accurate.
I did read your other comment, thanks and sry for the late respond.
@@General-HDThe only thing I don't like is the fact that Germany isn't united. Stalin wanted a unified Germany as a strong ally, it's very likely Poland doesn't even get Germany's eastern lands
@@General-HDwhat happens to Britain and the US in this timeline?
This is nice
while i dont like the scenario as it lacks that little bit of "it could be possible", i really want to congrat you on the video itself. Great work with the animation.
The possibility is: Hitler didn't invade USSR. That's why it went like that. USSR was strengthening, while the war in Western Europe was going. Furthermore, operation Barbarossa started during the rearmament of the Soviet army. In this scenario, they have already modernised their army before joining the war
@@flame9826 the problem with the soviet army was not modernisation in the first place but the complete lack of any strategies or competent leadership.
Without the war against russia germany would probably just sign a whitepeace with great britain, thus ending the war.
@@andrefasching1332 The Germans had no oil and Hitler had promised the lebensraum
Following the old Molotov-Ribbentropt pack I believe
Awesome!!!
Very nice. Although, my beloved Hellas deserves better then being a Communist regime. Still a cool video
Please more
the communist ending
Did I, with my comments on Axis and Soviet casualty figures, accidentally respark interest in this kino?
That “we will never surrender” never gets old
Time traveler: **drinks water**
The timeline:
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what happened to your axis victory video???
It's adressed in the comunity, but don't worry I'll re-edit the video to fix the issue and will improve more details aswell.
@@General-HD yes pls because its was one of my favorite alt hist videos
I imagine Belgium and Luxemburg would've been partitioned between France and the Dutch after the war
The soviets were not ready for an invasion, as you see Stalin didn’t believe adolf was invading so the soviets wouldn’t be able to invade in time
what happens to Britain and the US in this timeline?
They will lose Cold War and This Timeline is semblable to Atomic Hearts
Have you forgotten who took Berlin? Have you forgotten who caused and suffered the most casualties? Was it the Soviet Union or did you Americans forget that?
Soviets definitely didn't get most out of the war, that's why they didn't win the cold war
The USSR didn't operate by itself in the war either, did you forget that? Without the numerous tons of Allied Lend Lease, the USSR would've had a much harder time even dealing with the Axis.
Next could you do the Soviet Invasion of Franco's Spain?
You can instead just assume that Spain was ruled by the republicans which the USSR supported during the civil war.
@@General-HDwhat happens to Britain and the US in this timeline?
Why is Germany still partitioned like that if the Soviets took over all of Germany?
Updated in the description!
POV my Germany when my units randomly lose all combat strength fighting in Russia in hoi4
I subbed can u make ww3 asia
Thanks, you don't have to. There is already a suggestion about Axis victory and there are other ideas, so Idk if it will happen or what will even happen in the future.
Can we also have one for an axis victory?
there are many of those done by others
@@gaymer7844 right but the other ones are terrible and unrealistic, and the borders look disgusting. The only good one was taken down by UA-cam and its style looks just like this vid.
@@tricksnotreats7277 problem with most german victorys is that the partition of russia looks awful and noone can agree on what germany would have kept after the war.
this scenario is as unrealistic as any other as the soviet union was at no point capable of such pushes. Even with the MASSIVE amount of support via equipment and food from the americans.
@@andrefasching1332 They were only able to counterattack when the Germans stretched their supply lines and after the Battle of Stalingrad and Kursk. In this scenario, they were at the border. There is no way the Soviets could have successfully invaded the German heartland, especially that early on.
@@Sceptonic uhhh? what. im sorry but im not sure how thats relevant to my comment. I was talking about the partition of russia in a german victory scenario.
That the russians were not able to invade germany is something i even stated in my first comment.
anyways have a nice morning (its 5:00 here)
5:00 maybe red army marching at the charles de gaulle square of paris
If stalin was a wholesome leader irl:
We should have seen the Soviets gain the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits.
But the Soviets already won 😭
Also good job on the video
Um can i ask is just me or the video didn't add the operation Barbarossa!?
Because this is a senario. A senario where Germany, for whatever reason, deccided to not commence Op. Barbarossa
Because In this Timeline Germany was Focused on U.K and The Middle East
Somehow Germany lost faster without doing Barbarossa and wasting thousands of troops, equipment and ressources on russian winter .. very realistic
This is a lot more likely to have happened than germany winning
wow he didnt forget turkey in last time
Soviet power supreme
I wonder what happens with Japan
Nice im am the 100 num comment
Sad ending
Good*
What if usa won ww2 😮
i think this is well made but i do have a problem, the german army was stronger than the soviets, what gave the soviets an advatage is that they could keep and grow their army. if the soviet union invaded germany then they would be pushed back, maybe afterward statrting a counter attack ad defeating germany. you could make this with the only differance being D-day happened at callis and failed. other wise ad a key and this is great stuff.
Thanks! There are other advantages for the Soviets in this alternate but overall Germany here isn’t the same Germany that invaded the Soviet Union, and they are the one who are caught by surprise and unprepared which is a different situation. It definitely would be a good idea to make a failed amphibious assault attempt on Calais/Normandy and prolong the war to the next year 1945 with the same outcome. I just decided instead to go for a greater Soviet victory with better combat capabilities, leadership and that could luckily end the conflict earlier, which is a more rare scenario.
@@General-HD in my opinion your are doing this with the wrong mindset, alternate history is done by changing one thing and having it lead you to the answer. It does require historical knowledge and context, but you shouldn't be aiming for anything.
@@unrealisticfiction4182 Yes that’s true but once again, which path will it take after that change? Will it lead to 1944 ending like in this scenario or instead end in 1945 with a failed allied landing or perhaps even in some other completely different scenarios? These what-if scenarios are impossible to predict by nature because we don’t know exactly how things would have changed and affected the future. I opted for the first option since my intention was to present a bigger Soviet success. The fact is that it’s not just one thing that changes here since “History does not happen in a vacuum”, so it could go for any of the alternative but the circumstances just need to be right.
@@General-HD the problem is it doesn't seem like you know much about WW2, the German army was much larger and better trained than the soviets. Even if the soviets begun an attack while Germany hasn't mobilized it would be pushed back. The only way the soviets could have had a larger winning is if
1. Germany didn't declare war on the US
2. Germany invaded Britain(which never could have happened)
3. D day failed
A soviet offensive is unlikely to have the immediate success your simulation shows.
@@unrealisticfiction4182 A: The German army in the east, even with its allies isn't much larger, espacially if the Barbarossa loss doesn't happen and the Soviets attacks first in 1942.
B: Read again the 2nd comment, your reasoning is based on the historical event but this is an alternate! C: Without the US involvment, D-Day wouldn't have been even attempted, so you clearly contradicted 3 with 1.
If you just simply don't like it at all, then that's fine. I will leave it at that.
Слишком не логичны действия немцев. Гитлер сам прекрасно понимал, что, чем сильней он оттягивает начало войны, тем слабей он окажется по сравнению с СССР
Был более интересный план для сеньора Хилтера по захвату Гибралтара и Суэца.
This is like if you skipped 2 years of war and 50% of Axis troops vanquished into nothing.
Хочется поучаствовать в альтернативной истории? Тогда иди в Hearts of Iron 4 😊
I would be so happy, if it would be the reality
The undefeatable and mighty Russia
Pov:trotsky become leader of ussr during ww2
Worst timeline ever. Glad it didn't happen.
Soviet victory is not alternative, it is real
the soviet union won the real ww2
A really high quality and entertaining video, sadly not really accurate. The Soviets wear down their oppontents like an iceberg and enflicting heavy losses on them while falling back in their homeland. The Blitzkrieg is only a german thing due to its encirclement and fear of two front wars. In my opinion the soviets would be stopped imedeatly by the far superior germans. Without the disaster in Russia, the germans would have all its manpower left. The soviet officer core was stuffed with complete morons, the germans could built up a defensive line at posen or the oder and would enflict severe damagt to the russians. I even think the germans would get some support of the west, because in the 40s communism was seen as a threat to the existence of western civilsation while many sympathised with the nazis in the us and england.
Glad that you enjoyed it and I respect your opinion. It's understandable to conclude that it's not realistic, but that's because of how different it is from the actual event which is the case when comparing to an alternate. The German combat capability in this alternate doesn't have to be the same as to how it was, and the Soviets in this scene have the manpower, resources and better leadership.
Btw it's a headquarter named Tannenberg and it's located in Germany near French & Swiss border.
Deserves low views too much filler, and low accuracy
This is the highest effort kind of content we get out of mapping in 2021 and it's amazingly done, I guess go back to watching all endings videos for lazy but high accuracy videos then