I did exactly the same thing but it was getting so hard to start on NG, I finally bought the 10,000kw Tri Fuel Champion. It was delivered yesterday, will install it today. Wish me luck. Thank you for making this video, I am amazed all you have done in your predicament. God bless you my friend
@@shanew7361 Sorry, I just saw this, Shane, you probably already bought one, but this powers the entire house. You never use everything in the house at the same time. 30amps works great. I have NG connection in my detached garage.
im looking at that champion tri fuel . is it the 100416 model? im curious, what size is your gas meter and did you have trouble suppling the generator along with any other NG appliances?
@@johngraziano6652 John, I have not had a chance to do it with this unit, but with my other one which was 1000kw less than this Champion. OK, our house is heated by gas, hot water by gas, cloths drier by gas and we have two kitchens with gas stoves. I switched off my house current, switched on my generator which supplies my entire house and started turning on all my NG appliances, one at a time, including our heating system with the thermostat turned to high. I was looking for the generator to start sputtering which it didn't do. During a power outage we will never use all of our appliances at one time. The new tri-fuel Champion is a much better unit as my previous generator I built into a multi-fuel unit myself
@@nld-bl5ct thanks,, im on the fence between the champion and the firman tri fuel.i was just concerned about the size of my meter and the output i would need to run everything.. good to hear you were able to run everything if you needed to. ive learned alot about BTU;s and WaterColumn .. more than i wanted to lol
Do you have a part number for the kit you installed? Did you have to replace the carburetor or just install a spacer in front or behind the original carburetor? Thanks in advance. I have the same generator and want to have natural gas as a backup if we cant buy gasoline. Thanks for sharing your setup. Very helpful!
Can you go into some detail about the appliances you used in your house. How you handled the electrical load. Total watts etc. Did yOu plan your electrical load? Or just buy a high output and hope for the best? How did yiu determine start up surge watts on the AC?
Looks like home depot sells a tri fuel champion generator already converted now. Last I checked we can't get those conversion kits in CA. Dang that thing seems loud as funk. would be nice to have such a set up on an ultraquiet model.
What is the device on the bottom right of your panel with the 2 LED indicator lights? Is it a separate add-on device or part of the breakers themselves?
Great review! Does the propane keep flowing if the generator is shut off. I'm interested in putting a tri-fuel kit on my Champion generator to run it on NG, but don't want o risk a problem if, for example, the low oil shutdown turns the generator off overnight and then gas keeps flowing
I have the exact same generator and the carb is clogged up from the gas I had in it, even with stabilizer. I want to convert to natural gas as well. Do I need to clean the carb out as well or replace it with a new one when I put the natural gas kit on, or is the existing carb no longer used to regulate anything?
I would think you wouldn't have to clean the carb because the natural gas won't be flowing through any of the parts of the carb that may be clogged. The natural gas should just flow freely through the carb in to the engine.
I have the same exact gen coming this week. Which type kit did you buy for it? I will need to buy the same. Also, did you try the NG functionality and how long is the gas supply hose. As far as I know the pressure will drop depending on the length.
@@briand1174 I called US carburation company which has a new website called motorsnorkel.com/ and told them what generator I have. The kit is $187 and you can buy over the phone. No modification on the generator is needed for an application in which you would keep the gasoline functionality. I would call them. They also have hoses so when I buy mine I will just order everything from them.
Technically yes, they can void your warranty on your generator. That doesn’t worry me because the kit is easily removable if and when something were to go wrong with the generator. I can easily bring the generator back to an OEM state which means it’d be impossible for them to know I ever ran the generator on LP.
My "opinion" is that it should NEVER void the warranty since Propane and Natural Gas do not deteriorate. (Go bad/gums up) Your generator will ALWAYS run and MUCH safer to store Propane Bottles than Gasoline cans.
No idea what size the hose connection is. I would take your oil drain plug out and take it to a hardware store so they can tell you what size it is. Then go Amazon and do a search for "small engine oil drain hose". You should be able to find one that matches your specific sized plug.
Did you need to modify your ac unit with a soft start to run it or do you just open the circuits in sequence to allow for the generator to adjust under load?
My house had a traditional HVAC system that was a four ton system. I also had four mini split systems as well. I never used the regular HVAC system once I installed the mini splits because they were so much more energy efficient to run than my regular HVAC was. That being that, my Champion generator was easily able to run the four mini split systems without breaking a sweat. I know there's no way my generator would have been strong enough to run the four ton HVAC system. I suppose I could have installed some sort of soft start system on the four ton heat pump but I never got in to all that. My mini splits were my main sources of cooling and heating.
I'm pretty sure this is the kit I used. You might want to call them and confirm that's the right one for your generator. motorsnorkel.com/product/motorsnorkel/msk3101-motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit/
Would you know if a 20lbs propane tank would start freezing up when it's zero degrees outside. I'm wanting to use propane but afraid it'll freeze with a small tank. Winter time in Indy can get below zero at times.
Propane freezes ONLY if the temperature would reach MINUS 306° degrees Fahrenheit. THAT...IS UNLIKELY....02° Below zero here in Fort Worth two weeks ago and my propane bottles were ok.
Everyone really needs to watch this video about generator safety ua-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/v-deo.html please make sure that you use your portable generator carefully. I’m just trying to be nice. Thank you. Hope everyone agrees on this. This advice is very important
@@SAUL-TO-PAUL it takes a pretty big generator to provide enough amperage power to start up central AC units. Most portable generators can’t do that unless they’re in the 15KW range or above. It’s based on the outdoor unit’s LRA rating which stands for load rated amps. It usually takes much more amperage than what most portable generators can provide. No, not even my inverter generator wouldn’t have enough amperage power to start my central AC unit.
I have considered drilling a small hole in the air box, just big enough for the red tube from a can of "cheater spray"/starting fluid, and then keeping a small patch of duct tape over the hole the rest of the time. I expect that once the engine fires a few times, the NG flow will stabilize where it needs to be.
I just added the motor snorkel propane kit to my champion 100520 inverter generator. For the first try I am running it with a 20lb propane tank and a regular bbq regulator and a 2 foot hose. The motor snorkel instructions indicate that if a longer hose is to be used it must be much larger diameter. I see you are using what looks like a RV style quick connector and a fairly long and narrow hose. So a few questions: are you using a standard 1/4-1/2 psi regulator? Is there anything special about it - is it larger than a normal BBQ sized regulator? Is it fixed psi or adjustable? Have you had any problems with running too lean with this setup? I'm asking all these questions because I used a digital tach as recommended to adjust the fuel block but because it's an inverter it appears to only run at 3400 rpm regardless of the fuel block adjustment (within reason). I would like to use a similar setup with RV connectors and the house propane system at 1/2 psi and a 6-10 ft hose but don't want it to run too lean.
My regulator is just a standard regulator that I bought from Amazon. I only use it when I run my inverter generator on a 20lb tank which is pretty rare. I would normally run it from my 100 gallon propane tank that’s in my backyard but that only happens when we have a power outage which thankfully doesn’t happen too often. I normally keep my inverter generator in my garage and I exercise it once a month for 30 minutes. So for that I just run it on non ethanol gasoline. My propane hose is probably 1/2” thick and it’s probably ten feet in length. So far it’s been working just fine.
Ginger Arnold no, I didn’t. I actually have two regular wheelchairs on top of the three chairs in my other video on my wheelchairs. I have an outside wheelchair that never goes inside my home and I have an inside wheelchair that never goes outside. I do this to avoid tracking any dirt or debris inside my house. My yellow wheelchair is my car wheelchair which means it only gets used when I leave my home.
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I like the oil drain hose you added too! I'd like to try this tri fuel adapter. Thank you for this video. Outstanding work.
Speaking of hurricanes, good luck this evening and into tomorrow. Hope it goes well for you and yours.
I did exactly the same thing but it was getting so hard to start on NG, I finally bought the 10,000kw Tri Fuel Champion. It was delivered yesterday, will install it today. Wish me luck. Thank you for making this video, I am amazed all you have done in your predicament. God bless you my friend
Still like your generator, debating on getting it however doesn't have a 50 Amp which I'm concerned about. Any issues or things you do differently?
@@shanew7361 Sorry, I just saw this, Shane, you probably already bought one, but this powers the entire house. You never use everything in the house at the same time. 30amps works great. I have NG connection in my detached garage.
im looking at that champion tri fuel . is it the 100416 model?
im curious, what size is your gas meter and did you have trouble suppling the generator along with any other NG appliances?
@@johngraziano6652 John, I have not had a chance to do it with this unit, but with my other one which was 1000kw less than this Champion.
OK, our house is heated by gas, hot water by gas, cloths drier by gas and we have two kitchens with gas stoves.
I switched off my house current, switched on my generator which supplies my entire house and started turning on all my NG appliances, one at a time, including our heating system with the thermostat turned to high. I was looking for the generator to start sputtering which it didn't do. During a power outage we will never use all of our appliances at one time. The new tri-fuel Champion is a much better unit as my previous generator I built into a multi-fuel unit myself
@@nld-bl5ct thanks,, im on the fence between the champion and the firman tri fuel.i was just concerned about the size of my meter and the output i would need to run everything.. good to hear you were able to run everything if you needed to. ive learned alot about BTU;s and WaterColumn .. more than i wanted to lol
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT LANDSCAPE VIDEO! Straight to the point with no distracting HORRIBLE LOUD BACKGROUND MUSIC.
Thank you.
You're very inspirational. Thank you sir.
WOW 😳😱. You can build a Shed too.👍👍
Thanks for the great video, This is going to help inform my next generator purchase.
Great set up with the shed. Much quieter, dry, safe, easy... I have a 6/7kw dual fuel champion. I want to get the ng regulator
Do you have a part number for the kit you installed? Did you have to replace the carburetor or just install a spacer in front or behind the original carburetor? Thanks in advance. I have the same generator and want to have natural gas as a backup if we cant buy gasoline. Thanks for sharing your setup. Very helpful!
Ozzy alaron your intro is so cool and amazing
Can you go into some detail about the appliances you used in your house. How you handled the electrical load. Total watts etc. Did yOu plan your electrical load? Or just buy a high output and hope for the best? How did yiu determine start up surge watts on the AC?
Ozzy alaron keep up with your good work
Can I ask how much the circuit breaker box conversion was? Excellent safety latch on the main breaker. Never seen that before.
Looks like home depot sells a tri fuel champion generator already converted now. Last I checked we can't get those conversion kits in CA. Dang that thing seems loud as funk. would be nice to have such a set up on an ultraquiet model.
What is the device on the bottom right of your panel with the 2 LED indicator lights? Is it a separate add-on device or part of the breakers themselves?
great setup
Where can you buy the oil drain hose?
Thanks so much for this #review it helped me a lot.
Great review! Does the propane keep flowing if the generator is shut off. I'm interested in putting a tri-fuel kit on my Champion generator to run it on NG, but don't want o risk a problem if, for example, the low oil shutdown turns the generator off overnight and then gas keeps flowing
The propane regulator shuts the propane supply off if there’s no vacuum coming from the carburetor.
@@Ozzie4Para Great! Thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it!
what type of hose did you use from Propane tank to diaphragm ? Thanks in advance
Thanks Ozzie. Great video, I love the oil drain hose extension. I just Sub you.
Thank you!
@@Ozzie4Para How Good is Champion generator...in Quality ❓❓
@@Ozzie4Para You are very smart to do this 👍❤️👍
I have the exact same generator and the carb is clogged up from the gas I had in it, even with stabilizer. I want to convert to natural gas as well. Do I need to clean the carb out as well or replace it with a new one when I put the natural gas kit on, or is the existing carb no longer used to regulate anything?
I would think you wouldn't have to clean the carb because the natural gas won't be flowing through any of the parts of the carb that may be clogged. The natural gas should just flow freely through the carb in to the engine.
Wow. Great info.
I have the same exact gen coming this week. Which type kit did you buy for it? I will need to buy the same. Also, did you try the NG functionality and how long is the gas supply hose. As far as I know the pressure will drop depending on the length.
I’d like to know the kit as well. Also, can you use gas without having to modify the kit?
@@briand1174 I called US carburation company which has a new website called motorsnorkel.com/ and told them what generator I have. The kit is $187 and you can buy over the phone. No modification on the generator is needed for an application in which you would keep the gasoline functionality. I would call them.
They also have hoses so when I buy mine I will just order everything from them.
Great video! I plan to get one of these generators. One question though - does installing the propane kit void the warranty on the generator?
Technically yes, they can void your warranty on your generator. That doesn’t worry me because the kit is easily removable if and when something were to go wrong with the generator. I can easily bring the generator back to an OEM state which means it’d be impossible for them to know I ever ran the generator on LP.
My "opinion" is that it should NEVER void the warranty since Propane and Natural Gas do not deteriorate. (Go bad/gums up) Your generator will ALWAYS run and MUCH safer to store Propane Bottles than Gasoline cans.
What size is your oil drain hose? And connector?
Great setup btw
No idea what size the hose connection is. I would take your oil drain plug out and take it to a hardware store so they can tell you what size it is. Then go Amazon and do a search for "small engine oil drain hose". You should be able to find one that matches your specific sized plug.
Did you need to modify your ac unit with a soft start to run it or do you just open the circuits in sequence to allow for the generator to adjust under load?
My house had a traditional HVAC system that was a four ton system. I also had four mini split systems as well. I never used the regular HVAC system once I installed the mini splits because they were so much more energy efficient to run than my regular HVAC was. That being that, my Champion generator was easily able to run the four mini split systems without breaking a sweat. I know there's no way my generator would have been strong enough to run the four ton HVAC system. I suppose I could have installed some sort of soft start system on the four ton heat pump but I never got in to all that. My mini splits were my main sources of cooling and heating.
@@Ozzie4Para thanks for the reply. Great video!
Great presentation.I have a 100396 can you tell me the model and make of your regulator Water Column and supplier.
The regulator is the one that came in the tri fuel kit from US Carb.
@@Ozzie4Para Thank have a great day
@@tradpro7485 you are very welcome!
Sounds like we all want the drain hose. Anyone have any info. You video and set up rocks.
Ozzie, I just purchased the same generator. What is the part number of the conversion kit? I will check out the link.
I'm pretty sure this is the kit I used. You might want to call them and confirm that's the right one for your generator. motorsnorkel.com/product/motorsnorkel/msk3101-motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit/
@@Ozzie4Para awesome, thank you. Can't wait for the next snow storm and Texas summer black out.
Ozzy alaron do you think champion generator with a tri - fuel kit is a machine?
What is a mini split AC?
Can you post link to the oil drain hose ? I have the same Gen
This is the hose I used from Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B000PDN6R6/ref=dp_iou_view_item?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I thought this was a video showing how to hook up natural gas to this generator not an already installed unit
So is this the generator you replaced with the inverter style? I'm a bit confused, which generator did you settle on?
This was my first Champion generator. I sold it a while back ago for my Champion inverter generator.
great video. thank you.
Great video bro thx
any idea on how long a line can be used to power the unit from the propane tank to the genset?
I can't answer that one. You'd probably want to ask someone who installs propane tanks and see what they say.
Good video 🙏
Is there any need for a idle down switch or does it idle at 3600 rpms all the time
This generator pretty much runs at 3600rpm all the time so it's able to run at 60Hz.
Have you actually tried it with natural gas?
Do you run a central ac unit on this generator? If so what size is it?
No, I do not.
Would you know if a 20lbs propane tank would start freezing up when it's zero degrees outside. I'm wanting to use propane but afraid it'll freeze with a small tank. Winter time in Indy can get below zero at times.
I wouldn’t have a clue on that one. I’ve been in FL since I was seven years old.
@@Ozzie4Para Ok thanks for replying back. I'll keep researching for my answer.
@@hoofhearted1326 Good luck. :)
Propane freezes ONLY if the temperature would reach MINUS 306° degrees Fahrenheit. THAT...IS UNLIKELY....02° Below zero here in Fort Worth two weeks ago and my propane bottles were ok.
@@juans6639 Ok great thanks for the info. Stay safe out there. HOOF OUT!!
Good video by the way
Do u use stabile when putting in oil the first few time?
Gas*
Dee man I always add Stabil to all my ethanol free gas.
Everyone really needs to watch this video about generator safety ua-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/v-deo.html please make sure that you use your portable generator carefully. I’m just trying to be nice. Thank you. Hope everyone agrees on this. This advice is very important
Ozzy alaron do you think your intro of a video reminds like a Star Wars intro or outer space intro?
I was thinking the same thing.
Ozzy alaron Cool hat that you have on
Found it. Oil drain hoses. Northern Tool. Folks. USMC/USAF.
Where did you get the regulator?
The regulator came with the tri fuel kit.
Did this unit run your furnace?
No, it couldn’t run my central AC but it did run my three mini split systems nicely.
@@Ozzie4Para so it couldn't run the furnace or AC? So the other question is can the inverter unit run them ? Thanks Ozzie for replying every time.
@@SAUL-TO-PAUL it takes a pretty big generator to provide enough amperage power to start up central AC units. Most portable generators can’t do that unless they’re in the 15KW range or above. It’s based on the outdoor unit’s LRA rating which stands for load rated amps. It usually takes much more amperage than what most portable generators can provide. No, not even my inverter generator wouldn’t have enough amperage power to start my central AC unit.
@@Ozzie4Para interesting I've got a 2 ton system I've done the math so it would seem these units would run it. How big is your central AC.
Mine is hard to start on ng. I tried different spark plug settings but no difference.
I have considered drilling a small hole in the air box, just big enough for the red tube from a can of "cheater spray"/starting fluid, and then keeping a small patch of duct tape over the hole the rest of the time. I expect that once the engine fires a few times, the NG flow will stabilize where it needs to be.
I just added the motor snorkel propane kit to my champion 100520 inverter generator. For the first try I am running it with a 20lb propane tank and a regular bbq regulator and a 2 foot hose. The motor snorkel instructions indicate that if a longer hose is to be used it must be much larger diameter. I see you are using what looks like a RV style quick connector and a fairly long and narrow hose. So a few questions: are you using a standard 1/4-1/2 psi regulator? Is there anything special about it - is it larger than a normal BBQ sized regulator? Is it fixed psi or adjustable? Have you had any problems with running too lean with this setup? I'm asking all these questions because I used a digital tach as recommended to adjust the fuel block but because it's an inverter it appears to only run at 3400 rpm regardless of the fuel block adjustment (within reason). I would like to use a similar setup with RV connectors and the house propane system at 1/2 psi and a 6-10 ft hose but don't want it to run too lean.
My regulator is just a standard regulator that I bought from Amazon. I only use it when I run my inverter generator on a 20lb tank which is pretty rare. I would normally run it from my 100 gallon propane tank that’s in my backyard but that only happens when we have a power outage which thankfully doesn’t happen too often. I normally keep my inverter generator in my garage and I exercise it once a month for 30 minutes. So for that I just run it on non ethanol gasoline. My propane hose is probably 1/2” thick and it’s probably ten feet in length. So far it’s been working just fine.
Ozzy alaron did you use a tilite yellow wheelchair on this video?
Ginger Arnold no, I didn’t. I actually have two regular wheelchairs on top of the three chairs in my other video on my wheelchairs. I have an outside wheelchair that never goes inside my home and I have an inside wheelchair that never goes outside. I do this to avoid tracking any dirt or debris inside my house. My yellow wheelchair is my car wheelchair which means it only gets used when I leave my home.
Ozzie Alarcon ok sounds good
Ginger Arnold new friends are always a good thing. 😃
Ozzie Alarcon that's good
Ozzy alaron I have a lime green gait trainer walker for helping me to walk
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