Did Church Fathers Believe Mary Was the Ark of the Covenant?
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- A caller asks: Where does St. Athanasius or other church fathers reference Mary as the new Ark of the Covenant? Tim Staples, Apologist at Catholic Answers, answers with citations on how Mary was viewed by Church Fathers.
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Mary becoming the Ark is a major feast in my church. We call it the Entrance of the Theotokos into the Temple.
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@@hailholyqueen Byzantine Catholic (Ruthenian)
@@byzantinedeacon Glory to Jesus Christ! Rusyn Byzantine here, THANK GOD ❤
God revealed the truth to me about the mystery of the arc of the covenant. And it's Amazing!!!!
It really isn't a difficult concept. As the first Ark of the Covenant was commanded by God to be built to house the Shekinah glory of God (Exodus 40:35; Heb 9:1-4, 11), so was Mary created to bear the incarnate God and Savior, Jesus Christ as she was overshadowed the Most High (Luke 1:35). As the Father is the Lord of covenant, so is Jesus the blood of the new Covenant shed for the forgiveness of sins (Mt. 26:28). Heb. 9:11 "when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come to be, passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation" . . . "19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter THE HOLY PLACE by the blood of Jesus, 20 BY A NEW AND LIVING WAY WHICH HE INAUGURATED for us through the veil, THAT IS, HIS FLESH" (Heb. 10:19). Mary is the flesh by which he entered into as the incarnate God. The flesh of Jesus is the flesh of Mary as a part of the plan of salvation, so that “therefore the Lord will give them up, until the time when SHE WHO IS TO GIVE BIRTH HAS BORNE” (Micah 5) and all may know that he is Fully God and Fully Man. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you." Jeremiah 1:5. BEFORE BIRTH THE LORD CALLED ME, FROM MY MOTHER’S WOMB he gave me my name” (Is. 49:1). "ARISE, O LORD, INTO THY REST; THOU, AND THE ARK OF THY STRENGTH." Psalm 132:8.
By evidence of Sacred Scripture, by logical reason and by history in early prophesy and in early Christian writings and art, the Lord created the Virgin his dwelling, the place where the glory of the Lord dwells. (See, St. Ambrose, the Bishop of Milan, and teacher of Augustine, 339-397 AD) makes this point explicit (Serm. xlii. 6, Int. Opp., S. Ambrosii) (Blessed Virgin, p. 77).
Psalm 45:9, 13 and 17: Kings’ daughters are among Your honorable women;
AT YOUR RIGHT HAND STANDS THE QUEEN IN GOLD FROM OPHIR . . . 13 THE *KING’S DAUGHTER IS ALL GLORIOUS WITHIN* ;
Her clothing is interwoven with gold . . . *remembered in all generations; Therefore the people shall praise You forever and ever*
o Luke 1:46-48 46 And Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
*For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed*
Rev. 11:19a, 12:1-2 God’s TEMPLE IN HEAVEN WAS OPENED, and THE ARK OF HIS COVENANT COULD BE SEEN IN THE TEMPLE . . . A great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was with child . . . 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
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For me, asking Mary for her intercession is very special..looking back at all the great things such as Fatima , our lady of Guadalupe, and several others just made me have a strong desire to ask our mother to pray for me. What is written in revelation 12 also shows that those who fly to her patronage will be protected.
If not for anything at all, consider this, the blood of Jesus saved us. Now scientifically That same blood flows through Mary, not saying Mary saved us but showing how important she is to me.
All those who don’t love her and really missing out
She’s amazing. One day I was feeling sick and started feeling better minutes after praying the rosary. Thanks be to God
Generally, by default, anti-Catholic protestants are guilty of violating the Ten Commandment on "Thou shalt not bear false witness".
They are even the worst - accusing Blessed Mother of Jesus as a sinner.
I will never imagine myself in their position when they meet the Lord.
we should not judge i myself had really bad arguments with protestants cause they are very aggressive and i am too impulsive but at the end we shouldnt judge.. God is Judge .. we shouldnt imply what God would do to them.. i just get image in my mind when archeangel micheal fought devil over moses body even though he kicked his ass and he had right to judge Him he didnt.. he let him go
@@utherlightbringer3868 I am not judging- They are judging Mary, the Most Blessed Mother, they publicly accuse Her as a sinner. Now any Catholics who knows the Church creed should know that Mary is "Immaculate Conception", and accusing Her of committing sin is the worst judgement anyone can do.
@@DadoMac i agree but we must be better than them
@@utherlightbringer3868 That being better, I wouldn't claim. I am a sinner, and I admit it. I can only hope for Christ's mercy and prayer from His Mother.
But one thing I'm sure of- I would never imagine being in their position when they meet the final judgement and being asked,:Why do you accuse my Mom of sinning?" You note how blunt my post is? Because I'm sick and tired of their hateful attacks against the Church and the Blessed Mother.
@@DadoMac as i said i had my fair share arguing with them and with vulgar manner precisely bc of that
Dr Brant Pitre also explains regarding the ark when it was sealed away that it won't be revealed until the Spirit of God overshadows it, that same word in the original was only used again when the angel says to Mary that the Spirit of God will overshadow her to bring Christ into the world. Unfortunately this is missed by many readers including myself because words have drastically lost their significance especially words that were precisely used for understanding theological typology.
I am in agreement; all the way into Chapter 12 including the exile of the Holy Family, should be within Chapter 19. It is all a part of the same story, and it seems clear that the description, 'arc of His covenant' continues with the 'woman clothed with the sun...'
Tim, you should debate Steve Christi on this. I recently did on Was Joseph a Virgin? We had a 3-way debate on SFT with the Helvidian, Jeromian, and Epiphanian views going at it in their “debate octagon”. Was fun and educational!
Love your work my big bro!
Since Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant, I donʼt care where the old oneʼs at
I'd like to see it anyway.
Only Indiana Jones knows
Last mention in the Old Testament.
“And arriving there, Jeremiah found a place in a cave. And he brought both the tabernacle, and the ark, and the altar of incense into that place, and he obstructed opening. And certain ones of those who followed him, approached to make note of the location, but they were not able to find it. But when Jeremiah knew of it, he blamed them, saying: "The place shall be unknown, until God shall gather together the congregation of the people, and until he may be favorably inclined. And then the Lord will reveal these things, and the majesty of the Lord shall appear, and there will be a cloud, just as it was also manifested to Moses, and just as he manifested these when Solomon petitioned that the place should be sanctified to the great God.”
2 Maccabees 2:5-8 CPDV
Then next vision in New Testament:
“Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; …”
Revelation 11:19 NRSV-CI
bible.com/bible/2015/rev.11.19.NRSV-CI
Same ending of Revelation 11 and beginning of Revelation 12.
Both Arks are in heaven Revelation 11:19 and Rev 12:1
Almighty GOD never uses anyone greatly until He tests them deeply. Ave MARÍA🌹, Queen of Heaven, Mother of thee only King of King's, help of CHRIST-ians, please pray for us miserable sinners
Also of Importance is the Ark of the New Covenant has been warning the world, of the Times We're In, with Apparitions in Medjugorje. Don't miss Her Visitation, or this Special Time Of Grace.....PRAY, PRAY, PRAY.....God Bless us all.
The Ark became the dwelling place of the presence of God [Exodus 40:34-35] Now notice how God the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then ind welled Mary. At that time Mary's womb became the dwelling place of the presence of God [Luke 1:35] Then The Ark contained the Ten Commandments [the words of God in stone], a pot of manna, and Aaron's rod who was the high priest that had a bulb on the end of it which when they pulled it out the bulb bloomed which represents Jesus's resurrection [Deuteronomy 10:3-5; Hebrews 9:4] Now look what the womb of Mary contained : Jesus who is the Word of God made flesh , the true bread from heaven , Jesus is the high priest who resurrected to life. So you can clearly see why the Church teaches typo logically that Mary is the New Ark and it gets worse for you the very same ARK had passed King David and when he saw this he danced and leapt for joy! just as with Mary when Elizabeth saw her and at the voice of Mary the baby in Elizabeth's womb Leapt for Joy! then David also said David asked, "How is it that the Ark of the Lord comes to me?" [2 Samuel 6:9] and then notice what Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted unto me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" [Luke 1:43] then The Ark remained in the house of Obed-edom in the Jude-an countryside for 3 months [2 Samuel 6:11] Mary traveled to the Jude-an countryside and stood with her cousin Elizabeth for 3 months!! Luke 1:56 Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home. !!!
If II Maccabees speaks of the ark of the covenant being hidden in a mountain and the people who tried to retrace the steps to form a path couldn't find it, and the path couldn't be formed, how is this fulfilled in the New Testament? If Mary is the ark of the covenant, how would her being hidden in a mountain and lost to those who try to find her be a picture of something that happened to Mary in the New Testament?
Jeremiah said the place (whereabouts of the Ark) is to remain unknown until God discloses His mercy and glory. So, the public was not aware of Mary until Jesus revealed God's glory and mercy.
See Rev 12:6 and 14
Where can I get this book?
Out of curiosity is there some where on line you can go to actually see pictures of these papyri and read them in the original Greek?
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No it means that Mary is that in which the ark bearers hold onto. The sign of the new covenant is the blood of Christ. Hence Christ is the fulfillment of the ark of the covenant. Athanasius never held on to this interpretation but rather it is read back in from future generations
The ark of the (Mosaic Law) covenant was a literal, gold covered rectangular wooden box (made of acacia wood) that was some 44 inches long, 26 inches wide and 26 inches tall, or 2.5 cubits long, 1.5 cubits wide and 1.5 cubits tall.
It had "two cherubs of gold......on the two ends of the cover" or top (that was also 44 X 26, Ex 25:10-16), that represented God's presence before the nation of Israel and was intially placed in the tabernacle's Most Holy upon its completion 1512 B.C.E., and later placed in the newly completed temple's Most Holy in 1027 B.C.E.
The ark of the covenant (with two gold rings on each side for carrying it with two gold covered acacia poles, that were NOT to be removed, Ex 25:14, 15) held the the two stone tablets with "the Ten Words" or Ten Commandments on them (Ex 34:27, 28), as well as the golden jar of manna, and Aaron's rod that budded.(Heb 9:4, 5) It was built by Bezalel, along with his assistant of Oholiab, whereby God, whose name is Jehovah (see Ex 6:3; Isa 12:2, KJV) instilled exceptional capability into them.
He said to Moses through his angelic representative: "I will fill him with the spirit of God (or holy spirit), giving him (Bezalel) wisdom, understanding, and knowledge of every kind of craftsmanship, for making artistic designs, for working with gold, silver, and copper, for cutting and setting stones (or jewels), and for making every kind of wood product........the tent of meeting, the ark of the testimony, and the cover that is on it, all the utensils of the tent......."(Ex 31:1-7)
However, the ark of the covenant had so special value within itself, such as when Israelites wanted to use like an amulet or magic charm, as if it had special power to save them from the Philistines during the time of Samuel the prophet.(1 Sam 4:1-11)
The ark of the covenant remained in the Most Holy (at Shiloh, where high priest Eli was, 1 Sam 1:9) until the Philistines took it (or "captured it") and placed it in their various cities, from Ashdod (where the "house of Dagon" was) to Gath to Ekron.
Jehovah caused serious illnesses (piles or hemorroids) and even death for them, so that after the Philistines had the ark of the covenant for seven months, they wanted it "out of here", for in the last city of Ekron, "the men who did not die had been struck with piles. And the city's cry for help ascended to the heavens".(1 Sam 5:1-12)
The ark of covenant is then sent back to Israel on a wagon pulled by two cows, along with "five golden piles and five golden mice", ending up at Bethshemesh, about 15 miles southwest of Jerusalem (and about 5 miles east of Ekron, 1 Sam 6:1-21) and later at Baalejudah (or Kiriath-jearim), some 7 miles west-northwest of Jerusalem.(2 Sam 6:2)
From here, in about 1069 B.C.E., David attempts to bring the ark of the covenant to Jerusalem in a wagon, despite the Law explicitly saying it was to be transported with its two poles by four Levites (Deut 31:9), so that Uzzah died when the cattle nearly "caused an upset" and he reached out to steady the ark, in which "Jehovah's anger blazed against Uzzah, and the true God struck him down there for this irreverent act". The ark of the covenant was then taken to the house of Obed-edom, just outside of Jerusalem and remained there for 3 months.(2 Sam 6:1-11)
After the destruction of Jerusalem with Solomon's temple in 607 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25:1-10), the ark of the covenant disappears, and only "shows up" again in the temple sanctuary at Revelation 11:19.
Yes, John saw her as the Ark of the Covenant.
When blessed Mary carried jesus in her body, she became the arc of the covenant!!!
There was no arc of the covenant in the 2nd temple!!!
She is the Arc of the New Covenant!
Technically it was the third temple in her lifetime
The Arch of Titus in the ancient Roman forum shows Roman legionaries carrying the Ark away to Rome
Where does an Apostle say that the cup/wine Jesus took at the last supper was transubstantiated into the covenant itself? I would like to see an episode of Catholic Answers cover that topic. It is in the Apostle Paul's account of the Last Supper, and in Luke's Gospel. There are two questions surrounding this. First, are we to believe that a miraculous transformation takes place in the Eucharist, whereby the cup becomes the actual covenant, rather than merely symbolically representing the covenant? Second, why did Jesus and Paul leave out the cup/wine being transformed into the actual blood of Christ and replace it with a different wording, if it is so important and even central to Christianity that the cup/wine becomes the actual blood of Christ? How could Paul and Luke miss that part, if that part is so central to the faith? And why would they replace it with something else? I suppose a third question is the question of why they would juxtapose a literal transformation of the bread into the body of Christ and a symbolic transformation of the cup into the covenant, if that is what they in fact did? Are we really to believe that one literal and one figurative statement would be put side by side in the mouth of Christ within the same historical narrative genre and within the same teaching Christ was giving his Apostles, and that the reader and Apostles were supposed to interpret that as one literal transformation and one symbolic transformation? I don't have any similar issues thinking of Mary as an Ark of the Covenant in a symbolic sense, as long as we don't claim that her human body was transubstantiated into an actual non-human piece of furniture. More important than the ark itself, is the mercy seat that was over the ark, and the mercy seat being where Christ sits as the High Priest atoning for our sins continuously in the heavenly places!
Egad! One point at a time, please.
Is means is.
I stopped reading after that. Because why would I keep reading? Respect other people's time.
1 Corinthians 11:27-29 27 Therefore WHOEVER EATS THE BREAD OR DRINKS THE CUP OF THE LORD IN AN UNWORTHY MANNER, SHALL BE GUILTY OF THE BODY AND THE BLOOD OF THE LORD. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1 Corinthians 9:12-15; 10:21 13 Do you not know that THOSE WHO PERFORM THE TEMPLE SERVICES EAT [WHAT] BELONGS TO THE TEMPLE, AND THOSE WHO MINISTER AT THE ALTAR SHARE IN THE SACRIFICIAL OFFERINGS? 14 In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel. . . 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and also the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons.
1 Corinthians 9:12-15; 10:21 13 Do you not know that THOSE WHO PERFORM THE TEMPLE SERVICES EAT [WHAT] BELONGS TO THE TEMPLE, AND THOSE WHO MINISTER AT THE ALTAR SHARE IN THE SACRIFICIAL OFFERINGS? 14 In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel. . . 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and also the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons.
Plz be patient, Jesus the 12yr old states where else would I be. Does that support a celestial temple having a similar floor plan?
The temple on earth is supposed to be the same in heaven
The Ark of the Covenant was a receptacle which God commanded to be built because He wanted to set it apart (i.e., make it holy) for a particular purpose. It was to house certain objects which glorified God. It was to be the physical place were God on earth would be worshiped and the Holy Spirit made manifest. It was to be the "mercy seat" where the blood of the covenant would be placed for the sins of the people.
Is the Ark of the Covenant still set apart by God for these purposes? No, of course not. The Spirit of God no longer manifests there. Sacrificial blood is not longer placed on the mercy seat. If the Jews were to locate the Ark today, it would simply be a fancy box decorated with gold. Would it be appropriate for the Jews to resume sprinkling the blood of lambs on the lid? No. Would it be appropriate for them to pray to the box? No. If someone placed his hand on the barren, bereft Ark, would he be struck dead? Not likely, because the Presence of God no longer resides there. The Ark's purpose in the plan of God for mankind on earth ended when He withdrew His Presence.
Some people liken Mary to that Ark of the Covenant because she bore God the Son incarnate in her womb and nurtured Him as a child. She was truly set apart (made holy) for this specific purpose. She was the God-bearer. Yet Mary was a physical creation, herself born through the actions of mankind and the life-giving creative power of God. She was a humble vessel made fit by God for this work of service to Him. Like the Ark, Mary's purpose in the plan of God for mankind on earth ended when His Presence no longer dwelled with Mary. When Jesus began His public ministry, did anyone pray to Mary? Of course not. Was her body the location of the new "mercy seat," Jesus our Savior? Not any longer.
No one should pray to the box which formerly was the Ark of the Old Covenant; likewise, no one should pray to the person who formerly was the Ark of the New Covenant. If we heard any person say that the Ark had appeared to him with a message, or that the Ark yielded a miracle in response to prayer, we would know that the person is mistaken. Likewise, if anyone says they have seen Mary or have received a message from her, or that Mary has granted a prayer request, we should know that the person is mistaken. Mary is just sweet Mary, a saint at rest in heaven in the company of all the deceased saints, where they enjoy the intimate Presence of Jesus and await their resurrection bodies. They have completed their 'race,' they have fought the good fight and have kept the faith; now they bask in God's love.
Homilies are not considered to be infallible sources of God's truth; they are men speaking to men, with human ideas. Marianism was absent in the Apostolic church of the first century, and it slowly developed _because of Gnostic-influenced writings of the late second and third centuries, writings which the church later declared heretical but not before they'd warped the thinking of many Christians.
Mary’s purpose ended when Jesus was no longer present in her??
What about Simeon’s prophecy that through Mary’s suffering the thoughts of many hearts would be revealed? (Lk2)She is God’s handmaiden, is she not? (Lk1)She is the mother of all who obey God’s commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, no?(Rev12)
I see nowhere in scripture indicating God is finished with Mary.
Also, it’s interesting you seem unaware of a biological phenomenon called fetal microchimerism, where cells of the offspring stay with the mother for decades or the rest of her life. Let that sink in.
So I would argue there was no expiration date on Mary’s role as God’s helper servant status as His handmaiden.
@@mikelopez8564 Luk 2:34-35 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is opposed (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.” (ESV)
The thoughts of many hearts were revealed by everyone seeing the opposition of many Jews to Jesus as their Messiah. Mary did nothing to reveal thoughts of hearts; Mary revealed nothing. You wrote, "I see nowhere in scripture indicating God is finished with Mary." Then you fail to notice the absolute ABSENCE from Scripture in the post-Pentecost, fledgling church of any mention of Mary! If Mary were worthy of hyperdulia and prayers, we should see tons of teaching by Paul and the other Apostles about Mary. We should see signs and wonders in the NT occurring through prayers to Mary. The Apostles would have been witnesses to the great things Mary was doing to build the church, and they would have taught why she was important. But no... when we look at Holy Scripture after Acts 2 for mentions of Mary, all we hear is crickets. Dead silence about Mary! So if you don't see any indicators from that, I suggest that you dial back your daily dose of Roman Catholic Kool-Aid!
For the first 150 years of the NT church, we see very limited mentions of Mary. She is not talked about as someone really important in Christian faith and doctrine. Support for Marian devotion appears to begin in the late 2nd Century in *heretical, Gnostic-influenced writings,* beginning with the "Protevangelium of James" which contains known errors of doctrine and fact (such as, Herod did not martyr John the Baptist), leading to it being (300 years later) declared heretical by the church. It was soon followed by "The Book of Mary's Repose;" which teaches falsely that Jesus is a created being (not Almighty God) and it falsely characterizes Mary as the dispenser secret passwords necessary for salvation! Not long after this came the “Pistis Sophia,” which relates an alleged conversation between the recently-risen Christ and His followers, portrays Mary as “a learned master of the cosmic mysteries” in that she received “secrets directly from her son and interpreted them for her son’s followers.” The “Gospel of Bartholomew” also portrays Mary in a similar role; she fields questions from the disciples and explains “the sacred mysteries” to them; when asked how she bore such greatness in bearing the Christ-child in her womb, Mary purportedly warns them that if she were to tell them the answer, “fire will come out of my mouth and consume the whole earth.”
The “cult of Mary” picks up even more written support in the Fourth Century with the writing of the “Six Books Dormition Apocryphon.” In this document, set in the days following Christ’s ascension, the apostles are portrayed in open veneration of Mary. A Roman governor kneels before Mary and venerates her. Even more significantly, the sun and the moon venerate Mary in the upper room where she resides! After her death, the patriarchs and the prophets venerate her, too. The “Six Books” contains numerous accounts of Mary’s successful intercession with her Son on behalf of Christians. Many healings and miracles are attributed to her intercessions. A significant number of her intercessory prayers are for agriculture and fertility, which shows that Mary was the replacement for the pagan goddesses of these popular causes.
Do you see the progression? After Acts 2, Mary recedes into the background and the Apostles say nothing about her; Mary becomes just another believer and follower of her Lord, Jesus the Messiah. But the heretical Gnostics pump her up more and more as time goes on, and within the space of about 200-300 years people are seen praying to Mary, venerating her, and attributing miracles to her. But a rotten root cannot produce a healthy tree. If Mary were truly someone worthy of hyperdulia, prayers, and dogmas, _surely the Apostles would have mentioned something! Marianism is a product of Gnosticism.
@@rexlion4510Protestant dogma is religious and scriptural relativism, repeating the sin of Eve: deciding for oneself what's right and wrong, true and false, good and evil.
Protestants mistakenly assume Scripture is a comprehensive do -it - yourself manual for Christianity.
The Bible NEVER says and Jesus NEVER said "ALL true instruction to lead to eternal life is to be found in Holy Scripture." Where does the Bible say this?
What New Testament Bible did Peter preach from on the first Pentecost Sunday?
The first Gospel, Matthew's, would not be written for 15 years, and the last book would not be written for almost 70 years. Yet St. Stephen and countless others were martyred for the Faith BEFORE the New Testament was written down. They believed, lived and died for the ORAL New Testament, also known as "Divine Tradition."
DIVINE TRADITION IS THE ORAL WORD OF GOD JESUS TAUGHT HIS APOSTLES. IT'S NOT LESS THAN THE BIBLE. BOTH MAKE UP THE "DEPOSIT OF FAITH." PROTESTANTS THREW AWAY JESUS'S ORAL DIVINE TRADITION SO THEY *DO NOT HAVE THE FULL GOSPEL*
Deuteronomy 4:2 says: "You shall not add to the word of God, ... nor take away from it. " Protestants didn't just throw away Divine oral Tradition but also threw 7 books out of their Bibles.
Matthew 4:4 says, "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." Protestants don't have EVERY WORD, only PART of the written Word, none of the Oral Word.
Remember, we're NOT Jews. The Holy Spirit guides the Church hierarchy, not the rabbis.
Jesus and His Apostles used and quoted the Septuagint Bible. Protestants use the rabbis' shorter Masoretic text that DID NOT EXIST until almost 100 years AFTER Jesus ascended into Heaven.
Remember what Jesus said *TO HIS APOSTLES* in John 16:12,13: "I HAVE MANY MORE THINGS TO SAY TO YOU, BUT YOU CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW. BUT WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH COMES, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH...."
Truth NOT written in the Bible.
The Catholic Church guards Jesus's oral teaching -- called, not tradition of men, but *Divine Tradition* -- which Jesus taught His Apostles, and which the Bible tells us to keep, in 2Thessalonians2:15, 1Corinthians11:2,
2Timothy1:13,
2Timothy2:2
and Titus1:9.
Protestants threw away Jesus's oral teaching, violating: Deuteronomy 4:2, "You shall not add to the word.of God ... nor take away from it,"
Psalm 118:160 says, "The *SUM* of Thy Word is Truth" and Matthew 4:4 "Man does not live by bread alone but by *every word* that comes from the mouth of God.
Oral Word of God (Divine Tradition) + Written Word of God (Holy Scripture) = Full Gospel Truth
Holy DIVINE Traditions guarded by the Catholic Church are: the 7 Sacraments, especially the various rituals of Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the correct interpretation of Scripture, especially teachings on Mary's sinlessness, on the intecession of the saints and on Purgatory, use of holy water, relics, blessings, and other sacramentals.
These make up the Full Gospel. Only the Catholic Church HAS the Full Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus may say to protestants who DENY His oral Word of God, "Depart from Me. I never knew you."
Mary revealed hearts by giving birth to Jesus, a Stumbling Block to the Jews.
The 144000 blameless men in Revelations 14. Does that mean they were without sin? At least personal sin?
Look up Luke 1:28 in Greek and the meaning of the words used
@@Rabbit19964 How does Luke 1:28 apply Revelations 14? 144000 Virgin men never defiled never lied , blameless. Who follow the lamb where ever he goes.(Paraphrased)
Only they know the song.
@@Defender_of_Faith The verbs used in Revelation 14 are aorist passive and present tense. Aorist passive is a verb tense not in English, and conveys past and ongoing action that is not bounded to a time. The word "never" is not in the text. Rather we see at Rev 7, for example, where those who wear the white robes are multitudes and the armies of heaven (Rev. 7:14; 19:4).
Galatians 1:8-9But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than the one we have preached to you, let him be under a curse.As we already said, so now I say again: If anyone preaches any other gospel to you than the one you received, let him be under a curse.
Repent and believe the Messiah.
Show me Sola Scriptura in the Bible. Otherwise kindly show yourself out of this comments section.
I was taught that Jesus would not be exclusive, if Mary was not born of the fallen seed of Adam.
I was too, but I don't see why is needs to be true
What does that even mean? Mary is a daughter of Adam, but God gave her grace a conception; in fact, the angel Gabriel called her “full of grace” at the annuncation. The Greek doesn’t mean highly graced. It means graced to the full and that is how Jerome translated it to “gratia plena”.
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Grace to the full?
The Greek word in Luke 1:28 is 'kecharitomene.' it literally means 'favoured WITH grace.'
Big difference.
If you like 'full of grace,' because it runs well with all the other church teachings on this matter, then stick with it.
Esoteric statements by early Christian theologians has morphed over time into idolizing a human being. Which merely goes show that mankind’s heart bends towards idolatry. We need to fight against that and stand firmly on the revealed word of truth. Mary is blessed. The Bible does not say that she was sinless. She needed a Savior just like you and I.
Consider God’s original plan for man and creation. God conceived the first human beings, Adam and Eve, immaculate, without sin: when God created them, he saw that what he had created was “very good” (Gen. 1:31). They even walked with God
Yet Mary is more blessed than any woman (Luke 1:42). God blessed Mary more than he did Eve, whom he conceived without sin. Therefore, if Mary is truly “blessed among women,” then the New Eve-as early Christians called Mary-was more blessed than the Eve of old. So it shouldn’t surprise us that God prepared Mary to usher in his new creation-Christ (2 Cor. 5:17)-with the loftier mission to be mother of the Messiah. This is the way Scripture paints the full picture of the Virgin Mary, and how God had her conceived without sin and kept her from all sin
Our Blessed Mother is not only the Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant she is also The Tabernacle. Our Blessed Mother is Holy and The Queen of Heaven and earth. Catholics need to pray for their apostate and heretical Protestant brothers and sisters, because they are damned.
I just don't understand! We are told to hold to the traditions of the Apostles.
Matthew mentioned her name 5 times and didn't tell us what the Catholic Church teaches.
John, caretaker after the cross never saw anything special about her to write about, he never mentioned her name
Paul, wrote almost half of the New Testament and never mentioned her name
Peter ignored her existence in his writings. He never sought Mary or prayed to her. He never called her the mother of God, the new ark, the queen of heaven. He never said she was sinless and a co-redeemer with Jesus. He never said a single Hail Mary...
If Jesus nor the Apostles made her into "more", do we ignore the warnings from the Apostles?
John wrote about her in Revelations. John witnessed her assumption into Heaven.
@fgutie35 If you are referring to Revelation 12, there are some issues I need explained. First off the woman that is pregnant and in heaven is there over 2,000 years before Jesus was born. In verse 9 Satan is cast down. So she was pregnant and in heaven before Satan was cast out.
This creates a huge timeline issue. We know Luke told us when Mary became pregnant and spent her first three months at Elizabeth's. Did God take her to heaven after she left Elizabeth's? But that doesn't align at all.
In verse 14 the woman is given giant eagle wings to fly like a superhero. I can find no references to Mary having wings.
In verse 17 the dragon went off to make war with her other children who believed in Jesus and kept the commandments. Other children? I thought she only had Jesus? Believed in Jesus? His brothers didn't believe in Him, John 7:5.
Can you help me with this?
@@glennherron9499 That's an easy one. You are thinking like a human. Time was invented by humans. There is no such thing a "timeline" in God's Kindom where everything was, is and will be. The eagle's wings, is reffered as her being taken by angels. Same with her assumption to heaven. For us Catholics, we celebrate "one sacrifice" which means we are transported in spirit to the foot of the cross in Calvary every time we go to mass.
@fgutie35 And yet you did not explain Mary's absence and was taken to heaven after leaving Elizabeth's house, and why He took her and none noticed her absence for however long she was in heaven and verse 17.
If the wings were angel wings and she was taken to heaven why in verse 16 did the earth have to come to her rescue and open up? If she was no longer on the earth the rest of the text makes no sense.
And you didn't explain why none of the Apostles even mentioned her name, let alone teach all that the Catholic Church claims?
Wouldn’t the bride of Christ be a more appropriate eve?? Having mary as the new eve is a little incestual. Mary wasn’t the NT focus unless you shoe in “The Gospel of James”.
Was it not Adam who is credited for the fall rather than eve? Did Paul not say For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ??? Even replacing eve argumentatively seems out of character with scripture. Its about correcting Adam, not eve.
Mary as the new Ark, thats obvious in logic, but the original ark wasn’t a focal point but a carrier. The cloud of God was above the Ark. all bowed to the cloud presence of God, not the ark. The original Ark carried scripture, Gods truth, not God himself. Today wouldn’t the new ark be the pillar and foundation of the Truth?
Does it not seem odd that the current established 4 Marion dogmas are listed in The Protoevangelium of James and Pseudo-Matthew which is rejected by the Roman Catholic church?
To answer your last question: no, it doesn't seem odd at all. The claim is not that everything in non-canonical writings is wrong. That would be a pretty stupid position to adopt. The claim is that they are not completely inerrant in the way the canonical works are.
Mary is also part of the church, so that means Christ's mother is either damned,or part of his bride.
If you are going to base your theology on your feelings around certain metaphors, you will inevitably be lead to error. Because all metaphors are limited
To answer your second to last question: Is not Jesus himself the Truth? Is he not the complete and perfect Truth, unlike the Law? And being a living being, unlike the Law, would he not have a necessary, vital dependency on, and connection to, the ark--the woman--he was gestating within? The Protestant view of this is very weird, in my estimation, because it seems to conceive Mary as something akin to a petri dish, which Jesus was placed within and grown, like a lab plant, by God completely independent of her. But that's not the way it went down. Mary was/is truly Jesus' mother and he is truly her son. Jesus' body was a product of her body and the divine seed planted within. It grew and gestated just as any other human infant's body does, being fed by its mother and so on. It therefore shared an intimate connection with the body that bore it.
Only if you think of husband and wife in this context as a sexual thing. In heavens nobody will be doing sex. The idea of family in heavens in non-sexual
You could say the same about Adam and Eve being taken from Adam. Who are we to question God's plan of creation. Those books were not rejected any more than any other historical book. Certain individuals disagreed it needed to be in the canon and so it did not have enough support by vote, but doesn't mean it isn't a historical book in the church. The book of Revelation nearly didn't make it into the canon either, but in the end the counsel got the book of Revelation in.
"This cup is God's NEW covenant sealed with MY BLOOD, which is poured out for you."
- Luke 22:20
Jesus The Messiah/Christ IS "God's NEW covenant sealed with MY BLOOD", NOT Mary.
Correct. As the first Ark of the Covenant was commanded by God to be built to house the Shekinah glory of God (Exodus 40:35; Heb 9:1-4, 11), so was Mary created to bear the incarnate God and Savior, Jesus Christ as she was overshadowed the Most High (Luke 1:35). As the Father is the Lord of covenant, so is Jesus the blood of the new Covenant shed for the forgiveness of sins (Mt. 26:28). Heb. 9:11 "when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come to be, passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation" . . . "19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter THE HOLY PLACE by the blood of Jesus, 20 BY A NEW AND LIVING WAY WHICH HE INAUGURATED for us through the veil, THAT IS, HIS FLESH" (Heb. 10:19). Mary is the flesh by which he entered into as the incarnate God. The flesh of Jesus is the flesh of Mary as a part of the plan of salvation, so that all may know that he is fully God and fully man, our Lord and savior of all mankind.
The church teaches the truth about Mary You don't have to understand why. You wouldn't have even heard about Jesus without the church
@@Jesus3ITrustinThee
Wrong!
The Christ/Messiah was the one crucified, NOT Mary!
Therefore, the flesh of Jesus IS the flesh of Jesus, NOT Mary's! "So that all may know that He is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN, our Lord and Savior of all mankind", NOT Mary! Mary IS ONLY FULLY human!
Jesus BECAME flesh and entered into a NEW covenant and RETURNED to The Father in Heaven, NOT Mary!
"Eat MY flesh, drink MY blood," NOT Mary's flesh and blood!
TRUE/AUNTHENTIC Christians ARE SAVED by the BLOOD OF JESUS "hanged on a tree," (Acts 5:30),
NOT by Mary giving birth to Jesus!!!
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast",
NOT by the so called "immaculate conception"!
“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins...“,
NOT by Mary giving birth to Jesus!!!
And stop INSERTING Mary in Hebrews 10:19, "HIS FLESH", NOT Mary's flesh. There's NO Mary in Hebrews 10:19, ONLY Jesus!!!
And Mary KNEW she needs a Savior...
"How my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! "
- Luke 1:47
Mary has NOTHING to do with the death of Jesus.
"This command I received from My Father."
- John 10:18
No one takes it from Me,
but I lay it down of My own accord.
I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
This command I received from My Father.
- John 10:18
He (The Father In Heaven) who did not spare His (The Father In Heaven) own Son (Jesus The Christ/Messiah)...
- Romans 8:32
We are SAVED by The Blood of Jesus, NOT by Mary giving birth to Jesus!!!
@@Michael-pw2td
The RCC teaches NOT the truth about Mary, ONLY THE BIBLE teaches the truth about Mary!
John, literally NO ONE thinks Mary is the messiah OR God incarnate. So chill.
Absolute idolatry . Jesus is the Ark the Synoptics ( the transfiguration ) ,John (John 1:14 and the empty tomb with two angels at either end ) and Colossians 1:19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all THE FULLNESS (Ark Language ) to dwell in Him (Christ )
Stop praying to Mary and repent and trust in Christ
Ya, nope.
41 "And now arise, O LORD God, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might. Let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in thy goodness.
2 Chronicles 6:41
Jesus is Lord and Mary is the ark.
@@frekigeri4317
“And an ark of imperishable wood was the Saviour (Jesus ) Himself. For by this was signified the imperishable and incorruptible tabernacle (of His body), which engendered no corruption of sin”
@@Lurkingdolphin ah no, that’s Mary too, by the grace of God, her own Son.
Poor old Mary. What a rotten life.
You cannot shame the most glorified woman of all time
Sounds like you have a rotten life yourself
Sounds like your life is what you refer to
Carrying God within you for 9 months and having his divine blood flowing through your veins, heart and body.
Imagine having so little faith or understanding to call that most intimate experience as a rotten life.
@@alisterrebelo9013 She wants attention apparently
This is so false, lol. Oh my goodness.
Old testament "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” He left the ark in the hill country of Judea for three months" - New testament "And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "
and guess what, Mary was there for three months
Read your Bible and your history
And say it's not. So unless you have something better I'm going with the opinion I already hold
Actually, it’s absolutely true.
But what do the bible scriptures say? In the gospels, Mary rejected Jesus. It wasn't until the resurrection of Jesus that Mary accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior., fell to his feet and worshiped Him. So even Mary had to confess Jesus as her Lord. This is why Jesus said " I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE COMES TO FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME". Why is this? Because it is Jesus who died on the cross and paid the price for our sins. And there is NO NEW ARK of the COVENANT, it doesn't exist in the bible. It doesn't matter what Athanasius said or wrote. The New Covenant between God and men is found in the Old Testament, Jeremiah 31 verses 31 - 34, and Hebrews 8 (New Testament).
Do you think carrying Jesus who is the fullness of God within you physically would change you? What about 9 months of sharing the same divine blood with him, coursing through your veins, heart and mind?
Mary rejected Jesus????
Do you realize that Mary was with Jesus from birth until death. She never rejected him.
@ginojones5857 - You are truly a blockhead. There are ZERO bible passages showing The Blessed Virgin Mary rejecting Jesus! Of Course Jesus is the only path to the Father in heaven but there are MANY intercessors that bring people to Jesus! Priests, pastors and even you in your ignorant way are trying to lead people to Jesus!
@ginojones5857 - I bet this passage is missing from your incomplete bible "[24] I am the mother of fair love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope. [25] In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue. [26] Come over to me, all ye that desire me, and be filled with my fruits. [27] For my spirit is sweet above honey, and my inheritance above honey and the honeycomb. [28] My memory is unto everlasting generations. [29] They that eat me, shall yet hunger: and they that drink me, shall yet thirst. [30] He that hearkeneth to me, shall not be confounded: and they that work by me, shall not sin. [31] They that explain me shall have life everlasting." Ecclesiasticus 24