Blue Rhino Studios Tyrannosaurus rex "Fleshy" Statue Review
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- 2020 was not a good year, but at least this statue came out of it. Hear my thoughts on this beautiful work of art now!
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Even though this is a cobbled together video for April Fools, I mean every word of it. This is an amazing sight and you should definitely get tickets to this exhibit if it's coming to your neighborhood!
Lol I wouldn't have guessed it was a joke video
I love this accurate rex, I want this to be made into model form
I still think the trex from jp is the best. The skin texture is just more realistic . But for a museum this is amazing.
@@expressrobkill well actually this is far more accurate than JP
@@Jason-gq1jt maybe more accurate overall but the jp trex actually has to have moving skin and muscle body is interacting with actual lighting and environments so it has to have skin like properties. And animal like movements which the original captures really well also the bumpy skin is pretty close to real life.
I love how meaty this Tyrannosaurus is, it feels more of a real animal and less of a pair of bones with skin just wrapped on it
A pair of bones?
I just want to take a huge 90 degree bite out of it.
@@cleverusername9369 huge and thicker bones
Blue Rhino Studios has some of the best sculptures ever seen catching even the little details like hairs, bumps, skin, and other things.
I hope that they get this life sized sue into a model form
@@34r343 And I want such a model for my home! VERY.
Yet they put it in a dark room where its not very visible.
This is so realistic to what I would expect, I can imagine an alternate universe where tourists on Safari view endangered apex predators from huge armoured vehicals 👍
Man this universe is boring, I wanna live in that universe!
like I said before when they first unveiled this statue it would be pretty sweet if they 3D scan this and mass produce a scaled-down version that can fit snugly on your desktop or coffee table
hands down the most life-like reconstruction yet.
I saw a picture of a model of it being used as reference to paint the full size one, can't they just cast a mold of the small model. I'm tired of seeing lipless shrink wrapped t rex figures. Hopefully they make this a figure
Now you make me want one of these in my room
The most gorgeous thing I've ever seen!!! the fusion of art and science is absolutely breathtaking!!!! thanks a lot for sharing this!!! I don't even have words to describe watching Sue in this light!! I cannot even fathom to imagine what it would be like to be there in real life and be able to touch her. one day hopefully! in the meantime, I thank the universe for the internet!
really i dont mind the colors or lips. as cool as flashier colors and exposed teeth are idk, i think they way they handled it is perfect. it really doesn't feel too far off from an animal you'd see today which helps to connect with it and realize these were real leaving animals
I think if you go off this reference of Sue her weigh 20,000+ lbs is very possible. So awesome to think how big these things were blows my mind every time. They’ve already estimate her at 18,550 lbs and that’s bigger than 2 full grown Indian elephants.
it's a truly gorgeous build. the skin detail is amazing. the eyes is actually my one point of contention. they lack depth IMO. if they had sculpted the iris inward, and then filled it up with resin, you'd get deeper and more piercing gaze
The eyes do look a bit derpy when you look at the face frontwards
I think the non-feathered reconstruction makes more sense. Even if ancestral species to Tyrannosauridae were feathered, I could easily imagine the larger species losing this in the same way that elephants and rhinos do not have fur. Fur and feathers provide smaller animals or those in cold habitats with insulation but if you're big in a warm climate you have the opposite problem.
Elephants do have hair, though. It's just sparse. It's generally more obvious in younger individuals and certain species (i.e. Asian elephants), but it's still there even in the bigger African bush elephants. It's thickest in certain areas of the body like the head. It's thought that sparse hair on elephants can (counterintuitively) actually help them cool off. I could see the same being true for filamentous feathers on Tyrannosaurs.
The very first thought that crossed my mind when this video opened up and we got an actual scale image of Fleshy on display was just how absolutely *TERRIFYING* she is. Yeah she’s chonky and that takes away from the predisposed image of the T-Rex that Jurassic Park has taught us, but I believe that this is more fear-striking
There was this interactive facet of the exhibit where you would place your elbows on a table and your hands against your ears. This would trigger the low frequency sounds T. rex was thought to have made, and with your arms on the table, you would both hear and feel it. Standing next to this statue and doing that was something else, I’ll tell you.
@@Killershrewfan that sounds absolutely horror-inducing. I’d love to experience it. As greateful as I am that Dinosaurs no longer exist for our own safety, as contradictory as this sounds I still desperately want to see a live one. And experiencing the growl via touch and sound sounds amazing. Do you know if that’s still available? And where Fleshy is located at to begin with? I want to see her!
Well in Jurassic Parks defense, you would not be as heavy with just eating goats. He was starving.
As a joke good one, but in term of how terrifiiing it is, not even close to JP1 Rexy, go back and watch behind scenes Stan Winstons animatronic T-rex to refresh your memotry, it looks to good to by true, uncomparable much more muscular body, also muscles around jaws, this looks realistic probably muchmore accurate, more animal like, like when you see elephant, fat, slow animal.. JP T-rex has charisma, its whole different creature.
Jurassic Parks T rex is by far the best looking. This doesn't even come close to comparing. JPs was perfect in every way, and I choose to believe that's what they actually looked like and you can't prove otherwise. This looks so dull and boring and unintimidating in comparison.
It would have been cool if the eyes would have that cool effect where they always follow you.
That would be more terrifying also probably scary for little kids
I like this T. rex, T. rex was always seen as a terrifying monster when in reality it was this Majestic beast
Is there a scale figure of Sue? I would love to have one 😫 Sue might look amazing in a 1/35 scaled or so figure
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who finds it cute as well as majestic and intimidating, just like modern animals like lions, bears, etc. I completely agree with you word for word, an adorable deadly queen.
THANK YOU for doing this review! I hope to see it in person someday. So amazing!!
Absolute perfect reconstruction. - Best ever !! It looks like it is alive. - Very scary.
I just want to walk up and pet it while saying “Good Rexy! That’s a good Rexy!”
Probably wouldn’t be a smart idea irl.
i wish the Jurassic park movies would use scientific accurately designs for the dinosaurs especially the t rex I've always loved this t rex design and sue is so gorgeous and intimating to look at i just hope someday i could see sue in person t rexes are my favorite carnivore dinosaur of all time.
Atleast the Jurassic Park T. Rex looks more accurate to a Real T. Rex. Than the Velociraptors and Dilophosaurus looked like in the movie. Compared to their Real life counterparts.
This Rex is so beefy. This depiction in real life would easily weigh close to 10 tons. I think T Rex is probably one of the most heaviest theropods around. Considering he did not run down fast prey, he fought it. Most other theropods chased down faster food.
This is so lame compared to Jurassic Parks(hands down best looking trex ever), tf? Lol.
@@wizzjo1nt5, If you're sick of real T-Rex anatomy, go cry to paleontologists or paleoartists about it.
Oh how I wish they would make a 1:40th scale model of this.
Wait so the bigger the second number like 1:9273737 that's the bigger it is?
@@badunk3379 No, not at all. A 1:40 model means it is 1/40th the size of the real animal, while your number would make a microscopic t.rex model. This one is probably 1:1 scale, so the same size as the real animal.
@@LeoTheYuty Ohhhbb thank you so much!
@@badunk3379 Np :)
Yeah but with more majestic colors
The eyes facing forward makes it look creepy as hell
I’d consider purchasing this but the postal cost would be excessive...
What a beautiful B.A.D (Big-Arsed Dino) rexy!
Drinking Game: Take a swig every time the narrator says “honestly”.
Honestly, that sounds like a bad idea.
@@Killershrewfan lol good one
@@KillershrewfanSUE is over 40 feet long.
@@Killershrewfan sue IS ALL HEAVILY MUSCLE NOT FAT.
@@rodrigogongorapinto588 hehe she chonk af
Just wait for this exact model to be added to a movie or documentary with all of its scientific accuracies known to science. It would be wicked!
Ikr, I would love to see a documentary using this t rex. But I wouldn't want it to be fighting all the time I would love to see a day in the life of a t rex
Look what’s coming out on May 23!
Well this was a very good review on the 2021 "Sue" the largest female tyrannosaurus.
Also this was a very good KillerShrewFan video.
Your litterally everywhere!
We actually don't know the gender of Sue
It was named Sue after Sue Hendrickson, the woman who discovered it, this specimen could very well be a male. We only know the gender of two specimens, Jane which is a juvenile and MOR 1125 or B.Rex which is nowhere near as big as Sue or Scotty.
Charlie Charlot t.rex Celeste is even larger than Scotty
I wanna pet the snoot, I wanna pet it so bad.
I love that as we uncover more about the T Rex, the more it becomes a living animal, not a monster. I mean this thing looks similar to a hippo in some regards, and holding that image in mind you can get a sense of how it might have carried itself in real life, with its fat body jiggling as it trots to the heavy clunking sounds it could make when snapping its jaws together. Such a beautiful creature.
Yea , I am in love with this statue , for real I can't stop looking at it , it's that cool.
Imagine Night at the Museum with this piece... lol
Imagine playing fetch with this T. Rex.
I wish she would come to any museum in Georgia or South Carolina. Soon!
She looks life like I love the sculpture of Sue the trex
“Cute” describes her very well in my eyes too. (At 9:58 as well ;-)
Blue Rhino should get into the retail Model business. Would like a 1/35 scale model of the one in the video.
Only in our imagination could we watch a real T-Rex going about it’s business… It would be equally frightening & utterly awe inspiring!
I still hope that...one Day you can get fleshy Sue as a model for your own 🤩😍
I can't get over the fact that a company won't make a new t rex figure based on this I know that a company like rebor can make this!!!!!!!
The most powerfull theropod what walked the earth ! Amazing, well done Blue Rhino :)
Totally agree
I loved looking at the old Sue IRL I'll miss him but I love this sculpture
What a fantastic video! I really enjoyed your review !
What a masterpiece
I wish we had a figure of this particular model.
Keep an eye on REBOR, they’re making something similar!
@@Killershrewfan I just saw rebor's new T-Rex figures. I hope the paint scheme will be similar to what is shown here.
My man said “it’s not that interesting to look at.” About the most accurate model of a t-Rex. Okiee
The colors, the colors aren’t that interesting! Can’t get enough of the piece otherwise
Killershrewfan’s Killer Toy Reviews ig but bro… f the colors it’s the closest thing to a trex it’s so fuckin cool 😂 but hey i respect your opinion
Amazing
0:33: "sue is the most famous tyrannosaurus" Rexy form Jurassic park/world: you dare challenge me?
Haha, should have clarified: the most famous fossil specimen of T. rex
Sue is the most famous REAL tyrannosaurus
Rexy aint a trex
@@goji-0045 what the f-
@@goji-0045 how am i supposed to react to that?
Whoever done this sculpturedid an amazing job, I'd almost have to say they have to be psychic cuz I have a tyrannosaurus Rex embryo fossilized baby and in comparison this creature here looks like what I have and no!!! they did not have feathers and did an amazing job.
Thought I was the only one that though that. The only thing I think could have been better was the color choices. Doesn't need to be crazy or multicolored, but they could have used maybe some smuggier shades of brown here and there rather than just a stripped tail. But granted the plain color lets you see the details on the body more.
The evidence for lips far outweighs the evidence against lips, IMO
Yep, plus it just makes more sense.
What evidence exactly? The evidence against lips is stronger, the main arguments for lips are practical ones and the fact most tetrapods have them except birds and crocs which are the closest living relatives of non-avian dinosaurs don’t have lips. So it’s very much up in the air. I find it strange that people like to invoke lizards when talking about dinosaur lips and it took almost a century and a half to move away from the classic lizard image of dinosaurs.
@@nutyyyy and what is the evidence against lips?
@@nutyyyy it’s not up in the air.
Yes, crocodilians and birds don’t have lips, as one group has beaks and the other are specialized semi aquatic piscivores, so they’re lipless conditions are irrelevant as they have derived away from the basal archosaurian condition.
And the osteological correlates are lined foramina like those of fully lipped lizards, meaning they far more likely had lips than not.
im just so happy its not feathered
Damn id love to have a replica of this!
I agree with Julian4209...there must be a scale replica of this gorgeous predatory scene. It could be great into my collection
I think articulated lips on a T rex would be exceptionally terrifying
Too bad you couldn’t bring it home.
Sue is quite the chunker
The one dislike is for that poor hadrosaur in the rexy monsters mouth hey!!
The guy who disliked probably couldn't except lips on t rex 🤣
the dislike are of spinofanboy, gigafanboy, carchafanboy
@@miriampinto2725 One lesson of life is that is always one version of the truth!!
Violet Sobieski the dislike are of spinofanboy and gigafanboy
@@themorningstar3299 tehe.. I am a fan of truth and fact!!
I agree, this is the most accurate rapresentation of the TYRANT LIZARD KING the largest and strongest predatory dinosaurs.💪
Not the largest. Giganotosaurus and carcharadontosaurus were bigger. And Spinosaurus but it was a fish eater
@@ChicagoMel23 totallly wrong, the t.rex IS the largest carnivorous dinosaur in terms of weight and mass around 10 TONS OR MORE..!!!! Carcha 6 tons, giga 7 tons, spino just LONGER AND SLENDER ANIMAL 7,5 TONS.
@@rodrigogongorapinto588 OK, hold on. I don't want to start a fight, but dude. Hear me out.
Spinosaurus, Giganotosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus aren't downright smaller than T.rex.
Giga and Carchar are around 7-8 tons if you are basing it it from a 12-13 m. individual. While a 12 m. T.rex is also roughly 7-8 tons on AVERAGE. You have to remember that Sue and Scotty are oversized individuals and don't represent all T.rex specimens. When someone asks you "How big is a human?", you don't answer "6.5 ft and 240 lbs." do you? You're basically saying every Adult T.rex would have been 13 m. long and 9 tons which IS NOT TRUE.
As for Spinosaurus, Ibrahim confirmed on a Reedit AMA thread back in late 2020 that Spinosaurus was actually much Heavier than expected, being 10-12 tons using better tools and a more accurate 3D model. Spino CAN'T be 15 m. long but also slender in build because of the square cube law. The dinosaur would literally collapse on itself if its bones and muscles weren't reinforced enough to carry its still 15 m. body and 13-15 ft. stature. It's like you are trying to build a 4 story building without using any stone, marble, cement or concrete and expecting it to be a sturdy structure that can withstand heavy storms. It's literally impossible.
As for Rex, being 10 tons or more, that is literally the same problem with the Spino, but in the opposite way, too much weight and bulk would also cause the T.rex to collapse on itself because of the square cube law. The larger an animal is, the more its proportions have to change in order to keep itself mobile under the Earth's Gravitational Pull, and since we know Spinosaurus' proportions are very different, then it is more than likely the larger and heavier of the two. A T.rex being 10 tons or more is a VERY unlikely estimate for a 12-13 m. animal. It is supposed to be a what if scenario to the question "What if T.rex had the same bone density as Spinosaurus?". Which we know isn't accurate at all since T.rex's bones were less dense than Spino's.
So T.rex's ACTUAL size and weight is 12 m. and 7-8 tons for a normal adult, and 8.8-9 tons for larger individuals.
@@carnoraptor79 "sue and scotty are oversize individuals" are you sure what you say????? SORRY BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY HUGE SPECIMENS,[NMMH P-1013-1(elphant butte rex)] ,[t.rex mor088], [peck's rex], [ t.rex trix],[t.rex tristan], [t.rex celeste], [t.rex victoria] as you can see the list is LONG, there are also other SPECIMENS but fragmentary or not very complete and are comparable in size to SUE. The carcha and giga are much less robust and less muscular and heavy, the spinosaurus and ONLY long slender and not robust, what Ibrahim said UNOFFICIAL but only and PURE SPCULATION.
@@rodrigogongorapinto588 What you are saying are the ones that are pure speculation. Sue and Scotty are considered Oversized Individuals in relation to their age. BOTH Sue and Scotty are said to have been over 28 years old and 30 is the estimated life expectancy of an individual. So both are already Elder Rexes that are long past their prime. Meanwhile Trix is said to have been 30 yrs. old, but she is only 12 m. long and 7.5 tons in weight :/
You are basically just listing Rex specimens and if you didn't notice, ALL of their sizes are around that 11.7-12 m. and 7-8 ton range. Sue and Scotty are the only two who surpassed it.
As for the other 3 apexes, Remember when you were listing down all those random Rex specimens? Spino, Giga and Carchar have nowhere near the same amount of specimens as T.rex which makes them all the more questionable.
You can't just say Giga and Carchar are not as robust and heavy as T.rex when their fossil material are very little. Besides, even though Giga and Carchar aren't as bulky as a Rex, all 3 were still roughly the same size and weight with Giga and Carchar being faster and more agile while a Rex is slower but bulkier. A Giga and Carchar wouldn't have been built to be faster than a Rex at a similar size if they were less muscular, that's just being dumb.
As for Spino, Ibrahim being Unofficial and Pure Speculation? Lmao, he is the one who literally unearthed and examined all of FSAC-KK-11888's bones UP CLOSE. He even provided a table with the math of how he got the higher weight of the young Sub-Adult. Scaling it up to a 15 m. individual with the proper adult proportions and higher bone density, you get a 15 m. Spino that's somewhere between 9-10 tons. 7.5 tons is yielded from a disproportional skeletal and that reconstruction is 7.5 tons AS IS. So what more if you give the Spino its proper thick barrel-shaped torso, deeper gastralia, more muscular paddle tail and higher bone density in proportion to its entire skeleton? Spino was beefier than you think since it needed to be, especially since the environment Spino lived in was way harsher than Rex's.
Lips are not a hot debate, give it up peeps, they had lips
Not very scientific at all to conclude that with no evidence and plenty of reasons to conclude they ddim’t have lips…
@@nutyyyy The osteological correlates confirm it, they had lips.
Probably just me but I get some sort of anxiety when looking at it from the front.. Like it looks so real, staring at me with those eyes 😁
It seems it wasn’t as massive as we thought it was
Why are the legs so tiny? It doesn't even look like it could stand, let alone walk...
Can I buy one at WalMart?
Looks amazing
glad i wasnt the only one who thought is was cute lol
i love the coloration
So T-rex was a bipedal dachshund?
Nah it was a bipedal caucasian shepherd
I a tually wouldn’t have minded a leopard or even a Giraffe like pattern on its skin. When you’re as big as a billboard, and your entire way of life depends on not being spotted, having some camouflague to break up your silhouette against the foliage would be pretty handy.
I honestly wouldn’t mind having a smaller model of this statue. Besides the dull colors and lips every thing else is pretty amazing. I’m pretty sure a lot of people would love it if someone started producing and selling smaller figurines of this statue. Only time will tell if that ever happens.
What's wrong with the lips? They would have had them in life.
Well if you don't like the lips just go get the new pnso t rex
Btw the t rex would have them
Where's the preorder link
I wish I could have one.
Cute but deadly 😍
If somebody could answer this... back in the days they said T Rex was 18ft tall. Did that reflect his old stance? Because they also use to say he was 50ft long. Or were these just some random estimates?
It’s amazing
Nice video! What kind of camera do you use?
This was filmed on a Sony A6500 with mostly a Sigman 30mm lens. Thanks for checking out the video!
Man I'd sell my car for an exact 1:10 replica of this bad girl
Where and how can I purchase this!
where is this currently being exhibited ? thanks - great review
Looks like it's at the Liberty Science Center in Jersey City, New Jersey until through the fall.
It's like hippo stands with 2 legs
Pure or almost muscle over 9 tons animal.
I wish i've it, so dam much, but without lips, cuz with lips looks like it's a big iguana =S, doesn't look badass, doesn't put fear on you, not at all, JP versions do a lot. But what a magestic work ! Congrats! So so dam perfect, real ! The eyes looks so small !
I have a few problems with it.
imagine fleshy moving and attacking people☠️
How much did this masterpiece cost to create?
Blue Rhino are the Gods of lifelike repicas.
And sadly PNSO Willson has a too small too thin head.
The new Rebor figure will be the closest to this awsome sculpt.
Do you have any sales?
Her name is sue
Indeed
How tall is this Tyrannosaurus?
14 feet at the hips. Around 4 meters.
@@81StrangeFruit exactly
But tooth is smaller than original trex
no is bigger
Rexy length 13,5 meters long and weight 7 tons Tyrannosaurus sue length 12,2--12,8 meters long and weight 9,7 tons sue is much more massive and robust animal
The T. rex from Jurassic park was 16 feet tall at the hips and 37 feet long.
Sure was 13 feet tall at the hips and 40 feet long.
Woah no its not up to the artist if it should have lips or not. What arguments have you heard for no lips?
www.google.com/amp/s/www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/the-lip-post1%3fformat=amp
Scott Hartman does a good job of summarizing the touchstone arguments seen on either side of the debate in this blog post. Although I find myself agreeing with his ultimate conclusion, one of the biggest takeaways here is that there is no true scientific consensus.
You may also want to check out PNSO’s making of “Wilson” video as well. They’re a company that are pretty overtly pro-lipless therapods, and they go over some of their reasoning for that in the video.
Ibrahim et al 2014, Carr er al 2017 and Barker et al 2017. You can find them all available online for free.
@@nutyyyy That paper is heavily refuted and has essentially been disregarded by the entire paleontological community. The osteological correlates practically confirm they had lips.
@@Killershrewfan wilson has lips i think
Fleshy needs to lose a few pounds.
Some of your points were so hypocritical
He's feet too small, sory ❤❤❤🇲🇨
FANTASTIC!!!... and guess what? no feathers or protofeathers, because we already have T-Rex skin impressions from: neck, torso, leg and tale! No idea why Jurassic World Dominion added protofeathers... they are just insulting paleontology by adding them based on other species.
Yes but there is still room for them. I find it equally accurate to depict trex with or without feathers as we just don't know at the moment. (Also I think your overreacting a bit)
@@reallycantthinkofausername487 We do have now at the moment, it is called evidence and we have it, we have real skin impressions from the T-Rex neck, torso, leg and tail... no feathers, just scales, no assumptions, real evidence printed in the rock and studies, just search in Google.
@@qwertty5347 and speculation is still important. We can't say definitively did *not* have feathers until all possible locations are ruled out. We just know it most likely didn't have feathers. Its like how dinosaurs are coloured. We can't say for certain
@@reallycantthinkofausername487 Speculation is redundant when you already have clear evidence, its like going to court with a videotape of a roberry and start thinking that maybe he didn't do it, maybe it was a muntant who tranformed into him that day....
@@qwertty5347 its more like going with a tape with a robbery and thinking someone else might be involved. Its possible, but not likely
only problem is he looks too friendly. You look at lizards snakes alligators, birds, they all look serious and scary. They need to add that scariness to trex models
Chomky mama
Looks tasty. Also provide lots of meat
Smh Asians
Nice to see that they didn't ruin this by putting "feathers" on it!
My only honest problem with the statue is the inclusion of the lizard lips. Overall, its nicely done.
Why? They would have possessed them. Based on the number of foramina in their jaws they would have had fleshy, immobile lips like lizards.
Your only objection is viewer taste. Exposed teeth look menacing, so Hollywood loves them. Science says that works for gators that live in the water, but land animals need lips to keep their teeth moist.
It have lips its default for terrestrial animals to have them
I am not being a critic but where are the feathers
Due to gigantothermy, the Tyrannosaurus rex likely had very little to no feathers.
It has been discovered that Tyrannosaurus Rex had scaly skin, found through skin impressions, which is inflicted on Fleshy. We don't know if the Trex had feathers, but we do know that it had scales
Some dudes discovered skin imprints of the rex and it showed scales, but there is still a chance of feathers but doing without is the safest bet
I always imagined that the T. rex started out with a thin layer of down feathers as a chick, but lost almost all of it as they grew larger. I'm not a paleontologist though, so take what I said with a *massive* grain of salt.
It’s an amazing model but the Jurassic park version still looked cooler.
Nature doesn’t really care what looks cool.
This is more accurate to what we think they look
Facts
Paleo accurate fans: ewwwwwwww why are there no feathers
Jurassic Park fans: doesn't even look like the one from the movie
Me: Beautiful, just beautiful.
This is the most accurate version
T-Rex had 2-3ft long arms.
no 110-120 cm
@@miriampinto2725 Well about 2 1/2 ft long which is Still in the 2 ft Range.
@@johndoherty487 bigger than human arm and much stronger
@@miriampinto2725 Yep bigger in Bulk than a human arm. And much stronger.
Scales are too big.
And the plating on the feet is inaccurate.
@@LeoTheYuty i don't think so...the MOST realistic t.rex for sure.
@@rodrigogongorapinto588 Theropods are now known to have padded feet, not evolved feathers forming scales, which is exclusive to avians. It is inaccurate.
Elbows too pointy, 1/10 wouldn't bang
@@LeoTheYuty Considering Tyrannosaurus is a coelurosaur and so would have had feathered ancestors I say they're right on the money.