Great video. Actually this is exactly how I figured out 3-4 for Chopin Op 48 No 1, but I sure got tired of counting out 1 through 12 while working it out.
i watched about 7 videos about 3:4 polyrhytm and still couldn't play it, but your notation with quarter dot DEMYSTIFIED that polyrythm for me, thaank you!
@@classicallpvault If you get the 3 against 4 rhythm and play them slowly, it clicks pretty quickly. I found the 7 against 6 in the middle part to be much more challenging. The one that starts on a C and goes down. If it was a clean 7 v 6 it maybe wouldn't be that hard, but the first of the seven it just held on from the previous quarter note, and you get a dotted eightth and sixteenth at the end, but all within the 7 pattern. Yeah, I still just approximate that one.
Chopin's 1st Waltz has the 2 against 3 pattern;) The way I taught myself 4 against 3 is, I'd omit the 2nd and 4th notes of the 4, and play it like 2 against 3, then once I could align the 1st and 3rd beats against the triple beat, I'd replace the omitted notes from the quadruplets. My first experience with 4 against 3 in a piece, was the Adagio Cantabile of Beethoven's Pathetique near the coda, bar 66 I believe.
Sometimes, when out walking my dog, I'll start practicing polyrhythms by tapping my legs with each hand while murmuring "cold cup of tea" or "pass the g**d*** butter." My dog thinks I'm crazy. (I learned 2v3 and 3v4 with the phrases, but working out the math is a far better approach.)
This is a terrible piece to point out this problem because many top pianists use rubato at this point because it actuelly makes sense! Not because they cannot play 3/4. I recommend op48 no1 for this demonstration
Fun stuff! Quick question: is the dotted-eighth and sixteenth in Moonlight Sonata a polyrhythm against the triplet accompaniment? Or do you think we're supposed to interpret the dotted-eighth and sixteenth less literally?
Agree, I also interpret it as a polyrhythm because I think the dotted-eighth + sixteenth pattern is referring to a funeral march pattern. Which is also very prevalent in Chopin's slower piano pieces.
2:3 = "Not dif-fi-cult"
3:4 = "Pass the god-damn but-ter"
Nice cup of tea (2 vs 3)
Great video. Actually this is exactly how I figured out 3-4 for Chopin Op 48 No 1, but I sure got tired of counting out 1 through 12 while working it out.
i watched about 7 videos about 3:4 polyrhytm and still couldn't play it, but your notation with quarter dot DEMYSTIFIED that polyrythm for me, thaank you!
Chopin's Trois Nouvelle Etudes are actual pedagogical pieces in polyrhythm.
As a complete amatour, I am proud to be playing a true 4 against 3 polyrhythm in this nocturn.
The Fantasie Impromptu has constant polyrhythm inn the first and last sections. Trecherous!
They're not that challenging because of the tempo. You need to have the hands separate ingrained in motor memory and just play on autopilot.
@@classicallpvault If you get the 3 against 4 rhythm and play them slowly, it clicks pretty quickly. I found the 7 against 6 in the middle part to be much more challenging. The one that starts on a C and goes down. If it was a clean 7 v 6 it maybe wouldn't be that hard, but the first of the seven it just held on from the previous quarter note, and you get a dotted eightth and sixteenth at the end, but all within the 7 pattern. Yeah, I still just approximate that one.
Chopin's 1st Waltz has the 2 against 3 pattern;) The way I taught myself 4 against 3 is, I'd omit the 2nd and 4th notes of the 4, and play it like 2 against 3, then once I could align the 1st and 3rd beats against the triple beat, I'd replace the omitted notes from the quadruplets. My first experience with 4 against 3 in a piece, was the Adagio Cantabile of Beethoven's Pathetique near the coda, bar 66 I believe.
whats the 1st waltz? grande valse brillante?
@@miguelisaurusbruh1158 Yes.
Where in the Grand valse brilliante is the 3/2? I can’t find it.
@Mymusicjourney-vk2lx From the very first opening theme!
@@peter5.056 there's none in there lmao, i play this piece every day, do you mean the one in E flat major?
Wonderful lecture! Re: two-syllable number names: why not simply change "seven" to " sev' " and "eleven" to " 'lev' "?
The 3rd Nocturne from opus 9 has far nastier polyrhythmic shenanigans in the B-section.
Pass, the fuckin' butter! 😂
Sometimes, when out walking my dog, I'll start practicing polyrhythms by tapping my legs with each hand while murmuring "cold cup of tea" or "pass the g**d*** butter." My dog thinks I'm crazy. (I learned 2v3 and 3v4 with the phrases, but working out the math is a far better approach.)
Schubert's first Impromptu...
This is a terrible piece to point out this problem because many top pianists use rubato at this point because it actuelly makes sense! Not because they cannot play 3/4. I recommend op48 no1 for this demonstration
Fun stuff! Quick question: is the dotted-eighth and sixteenth in Moonlight Sonata a polyrhythm against the triplet accompaniment? Or do you think we're supposed to interpret the dotted-eighth and sixteenth less literally?
It's definitely literal. Absolutely a 4 against 3.
Agree, I also interpret it as a polyrhythm because I think the dotted-eighth + sixteenth pattern is referring to a funeral march pattern. Which is also very prevalent in Chopin's slower piano pieces.