I live in a group home and I don't like it because you don't get the same staff everyday and tell you what to do and what not to do. You have to do this and you have to do that and you have to do chores and follow the rules and regulations and what your limits are and they treat you like a kid and they take away your stuff and you live with roommates with disabilities and they treat you like a slave. You're not free to do what you want. You don't get hot dogs in the group home and they don't serve it to you. You're being bullied and nobody understands you, they don't care what you want, it's unsafe. Parents choose for you, you are being watched on camera or tape, moms and dads are unreliable, they make you go to work sick, people are being conservative too much, they don't care about your love life, you only get 30 minutes to talk on the phone, you have to eat like everyone else, they set too much limits, too much distance, they make you dress up in clothes you don't like, they purposely limit you, they don't care about your privacy, too much brasin inappropriate change, they baby you, they make you go to work when you don't feel like it, rude managers, rude owners, unsafe, shity accountants, you name it. If I had a choice between living in a group home and living on my own, I rather live on my own because I get all the independence I want on my own terms and make my own decisions, make my own rules, share a house with a girlfriend/wife, driving myself to work, getting married, having kids, taking them to school, not allowing people to choose for me, not being bossed around, not being told what to do, no staff, no strangers, pro choice, do whatever I want, having it my way, etc. Why be in a shity group home where I can live on my own and have independence. Group homes are not good choice to live at. Living on my own is better than living at a shity group home. Fuck Group homes!!!
I ended up on a group home because I have OCD and I threw out my medicine I threw out my Klonopin that I desperately need because I have an OCD and all my trash is still always be out so they locked me up in a mental institution and then all the sudden I'm on going on two years living in this group home no oven know where to cook just a microwave and a little tiny a little tiny room and the woman next door to me died she was left there I found her if I didn't find her she was all black her head was falling off inside the toilet I checked on her every other day but right now I was thinking and I've got a kidney stone and a kidney infection and I was unable to look after her cuz usually I bring her fresh fruit and fresh bananas and whatever I could spare I bring to the main house and it's a nightmare I'm going on 2 years of living here I'm turning these people in to f a r r because now they're in trouble because this they know that they're guilty because this woman was left and I got screamed at because there was maggots in my room and flies in my room they put me in a hotel and they think and now they're getting me like oh they're getting me a bed that I've been sleeping on a cot worse than prison a caught worse than prison I've been begging these people and now they're doing it they're not doing it for me they're doing it because they don't want to lose their license they have six other homes they both Drive Cadillacs brand new SUV Cadillacs they come over here they yell at us for this they yell at us for that that poor lady was in there her whole body was black I Can't Describe every night I try to go to sleep I can't get the image out of my head phuc group homes and f*** Donald Trump
In an ironic twist, I was raised in the state system in group homes, and foster homes myself, and I'm starting my career as a group home staff member. Having been in their shoes, I honestly know what I'm going into, unlike some who go into this not knowing the challenges that come with the consequences of taking on this kind of work.
I have a blind autistic adult daughter Your comments are not realistic and i will tell you why. Many a re not independent in their abilities to perform self care, cannot bathe, feed themselves, prepare meals and maybe not even walk, may have other health care issues that need to be monitored.....there are very very limited home health care providers, family members may not be able to physically care for their loved or perhaps parents of a disabled person are older and there is no other family to care for them I think you are talking about a minority of those in group homes. I agree that if they are able to think for themselves, care for themselves. advocate for themselves then yes i agree. But your blanket comments with out taking into consideration of all the variables is not correct I have tried every option to keep my child at home, my child is total care. I am older and not in the best of health. I have no family to care for her when i am gone, the is a shortage of home services, so really your just making a lot of broken hearted families feel tremendous guilt.. more than we already do. So thanks....not helpful
I agree. I have visited consumers in group homes and in assisted living some with severe disabilities need 24/7 support. The public doesn't understand the trials that families have to go through. Some disabled adults don't have the executive functions to live independently. They need support. Perhaps the churches, synagogues etc. can come on board and assist families with their loved ones. Government services can be costly as well.
you're talking about people who have family and money. many people like living in a house with other peeple who they can get along with and not feeling lonely.
Ever since I was a teenager I’ve been bounced around from schools,psychwards,thereupeutic behavioral health residential institutions for adolescents with devolpmental disabilities with complex behavioral and mental health challenges,group homes,crisis care homes and a respite care home I’m currently in a group home trying to get into an apartment situation I have a really good support team including an advocate and my sister who runs a company in California that helps people with disabilities get funding for services and make their own choices on where to live I’ve bounced through loopholes trying to get the right services it’s just so ridiculous how little our society is focused on the caregivers that don’t get paid all that much all because we’re a selfish capitalist country that only values jobs like being a software engineer instead of putting more money into these facilities to help these poor people become independent I may not like it because of being told when to take medications and everything but because of me going to the mental hospitals for having violent outbursts these are the consequences for my actions unfortunately I wish the system was better equipped to meeting the needs of the people in whom they claim they want to support on the outside world but the world has no idea how screwed up the system can be at times.
Having lower support needs ASD and being houseless after my ex screwed me over (pardon my language btw) my step brother seriously suggested this to me. Mind you, not a transitional shelter, a PERMANENT residential facility. I have an IQ of 126, I’m an artist, never had an issue with unemployment in my adult life, so why on earth would I voluntarily sign my rights away to live in a prison where I have no control of what I choose to eat or when, where I can go or how I can control my money that I literally make myself? Honestly from personal experience from having dealt with both, shitty homeless shelters and psych wards have less restrictions than that. Permanent group home placement should only be used as a last resort regardless of any level of functionality. They’re also mostly for profit and to my understanding they purposely omit other options from the SN’s individual’s parents.
Yeah the state forced me to live in a group home against my will and I have to go to a day program instead of getting a job or living with my family or on my own Amber Frame
I have autism spectrum disorders and all I see of a group home is a prison with no restrictive physical security features and that doesn't lock people up but where staff trap residents in the house, order them around, and follow them everywhere. Plus, everything people want to do, have, or experience based on abilities and interests are always denied in favor of an organized life plan that only allows restricted or no autonomy or freedom, yet people can still see everything that they're denied and can still see the outside when not allowed to leave the house. Isn't a life of no autonomy dangerous? Being held back and told "you can't do this" or "you have to wait" would make me feel like I'm in kindergarten again but even worse than those times when life was fun and easy, and now those times are long gone. I'd personally rather go to prison than live in a group home because the free world is a world of too much that overwhelms us to want to do, have, and experience many things that we like or might want to do and it's hard to hold back when it's always there and easy to spot or see.
I probably wouldn't qualify but if I did, I'd be so damn bad they'd have to get rid of me and force me back into the mainstream and out of the so-called system. I'm the Disability System's worst nightmare. It's no loss for me to not be bound to this system that's really a prison, authoritarian government, and adult version of daycare.
I will not live in a group home I live in a group home once and the group home person put my arm because I can't read the rules know I would never leave a group home ever again
Hi Eric, Even if a person is not kicking in a good condition or doesn’t have best things for the person with disability to offer, but if that person is completely trustworthy and willing to be there for loved one, we should invest our time and energy with them rather than relying on group homes. Group homes for me is not place for me. ( Never) Government should invest their money and resources more wisely than just giving out and I don’t think , this a proper solution because no one knows what is exactly happening in terms of accountability and accuracy with fundings. This is what I feel. Thanks for educating us so deeply and correctly.👍
I enjoyed living in a sober living. It was the best time of my life. I’ve run several group home and the clients love it. I don’t know where you get this high turn over rate. Group homes and sober living can often be democratized.
Places like Denmark and Norway already do somethings similar to this. They have government provided housing for the disabled. This was something that was supposed to get past immediately after the shut down the psychiatric hospitals, they were supposed to convert them to appropriate living facilities with modern capabilities, but that was shut down by conservative politicians. And every single attempt to pass socialize housing, for the disabled, has been snuffed out by the GOP.
Except I worked in many of these places. In several states. This was the most joyous time in history for my life. After violent assaults and other trauma I ended up in sober living. Second best time of my life.
For socialized housing, someone has to pay for services and it's usually the taxpayer. Also, services are limited for the patient as the family has to step in and fill the gap. I agree society has to provide for those who can't care for themselves. The family is the primary partner to provide for their needy relatives. But greedy governments including socialized ones who control your freedom, will take the lion-share of the money and dole out little for the needy. One has to look out for government corruption and control.
I agree at first when my grandma died who raised me all my life I had to go to my Uncle Christopher house but he moved down south and I was forced to live in a group home since 2018 but this is my third year here and I really wanna go back to living with my family and my Guardian and SSA said i can't live on my own yet this is Amber Frame
Same here bro hopefully we both be out soon. How old are you? I'm 17 and restrictions should end by 18 apparently as I may be able to get back with my family soon. If U ever need to talk I'm here
I have a friend who's in a similar situation in the group home he resides in. Thank God I've been able to live alone for over 15 years because I'd probably end up on death row for what I might end up doing if I was ever forced into that kind of housing.
Thank you Eric. Very interesting. I'm interested to listen to the podcast you mention with Lyn Segal (sp?) of Hope House but you did not include the link in your comments.
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I live in a group home and I don't like it because you don't get the same staff everyday and tell you what to do and what not to do. You have to do this and you have to do that and you have to do chores and follow the rules and regulations and what your limits are and they treat you like a kid and they take away your stuff and you live with roommates with disabilities and they treat you like a slave. You're not free to do what you want. You don't get hot dogs in the group home and they don't serve it to you. You're being bullied and nobody understands you, they don't care what you want, it's unsafe. Parents choose for you, you are being watched on camera or tape, moms and dads are unreliable, they make you go to work sick, people are being conservative too much, they don't care about your love life, you only get 30 minutes to talk on the phone, you have to eat like everyone else, they set too much limits, too much distance, they make you dress up in clothes you don't like, they purposely limit you, they don't care about your privacy, too much brasin inappropriate change, they baby you, they make you go to work when you don't feel like it, rude managers, rude owners, unsafe, shity accountants, you name it. If I had a choice between living in a group home and living on my own, I rather live on my own because I get all the independence I want on my own terms and make my own decisions, make my own rules, share a house with a girlfriend/wife, driving myself to work, getting married, having kids, taking them to school, not allowing people to choose for me, not being bossed around, not being told what to do, no staff, no strangers, pro choice, do whatever I want, having it my way, etc. Why be in a shity group home where I can live on my own and have independence. Group homes are not good choice to live at. Living on my own is better than living at a shity group home. Fuck Group homes!!!
I ended up on a group home because I have OCD and I threw out my medicine I threw out my Klonopin that I desperately need because I have an OCD and all my trash is still always be out so they locked me up in a mental institution and then all the sudden I'm on going on two years living in this group home no oven know where to cook just a microwave and a little tiny a little tiny room and the woman next door to me died she was left there I found her if I didn't find her she was all black her head was falling off inside the toilet I checked on her every other day but right now I was thinking and I've got a kidney stone and a kidney infection and I was unable to look after her cuz usually I bring her fresh fruit and fresh bananas and whatever I could spare I bring to the main house and it's a nightmare I'm going on 2 years of living here I'm turning these people in to f a r r because now they're in trouble because this they know that they're guilty because this woman was left and I got screamed at because there was maggots in my room and flies in my room they put me in a hotel and they think and now they're getting me like oh they're getting me a bed that I've been sleeping on a cot worse than prison a caught worse than prison I've been begging these people and now they're doing it they're not doing it for me they're doing it because they don't want to lose their license they have six other homes they both Drive Cadillacs brand new SUV Cadillacs they come over here they yell at us for this they yell at us for that that poor lady was in there her whole body was black I Can't Describe every night I try to go to sleep I can't get the image out of my head phuc group homes and f*** Donald Trump
In an ironic twist, I was raised in the state system in group homes, and foster homes myself, and I'm starting my career as a group home staff member. Having been in their shoes, I honestly know what I'm going into, unlike some who go into this not knowing the challenges that come with the consequences of taking on this kind of work.
Many people in group homes are gratefull to have housing.
Clearly not but you know so much
Trust me. We don't.
I live in a group home and it sucks! It's like being in prison, with rabid zoo animals for cellmates.
I have a blind autistic adult daughter
Your comments are not realistic and i will tell you why. Many a re not independent in their abilities to perform self care, cannot bathe, feed themselves, prepare meals and maybe not even walk, may have other health care issues that need to be monitored.....there are very very limited home health care providers, family members may not be able to physically care for their loved or perhaps parents of a disabled person are older and there is no other family to care for them
I think you are talking about a minority of those in group homes. I agree that if they are able to think for themselves, care for themselves. advocate for themselves then yes i agree. But your blanket comments with out taking into consideration of all the variables is not correct
I have tried every option to keep my child at home, my child is total care. I am older and not in the best of health. I have no family to care for her when i am gone, the is a shortage of home services, so really your just making a lot of broken hearted families feel tremendous guilt..
more than we already do. So thanks....not helpful
I agree. I have visited consumers in group homes and in assisted living some with severe disabilities need 24/7 support. The public doesn't understand the trials that families have to go through. Some disabled adults don't have the executive functions to live independently. They need support. Perhaps the churches, synagogues etc. can come on board and assist families with their loved ones. Government services can be costly as well.
@@carolm.5260it’s not supportive if the practice isnt compliant based.
I'm a senior living in a group home for the homeless. I hate it here.
you're talking about people who have family and money. many people like living in a house with other peeple who they can get along with and not feeling lonely.
Group home rules make the strictest landlords and HOAs look reasonable by comparison!
Even the Criminal Justice System, and the most annoying or worst bosses and teachers are better than group homes.
Many people need these rules. Without them they would self harm or harm others.
Ever since I was a teenager I’ve been bounced around from schools,psychwards,thereupeutic behavioral health residential institutions for adolescents with devolpmental disabilities with complex behavioral and mental health challenges,group homes,crisis care homes and a respite care home I’m currently in a group home trying to get into an apartment situation I have a really good support team including an advocate and my sister who runs a company in California that helps people with disabilities get funding for services and make their own choices on where to live I’ve bounced through loopholes trying to get the right services it’s just so ridiculous how little our society is focused on the caregivers that don’t get paid all that much all because we’re a selfish capitalist country that only values jobs like being a software engineer instead of putting more money into these facilities to help these poor people become independent I may not like it because of being told when to take medications and everything but because of me going to the mental hospitals for having violent outbursts these are the consequences for my actions unfortunately I wish the system was better equipped to meeting the needs of the people in whom they claim they want to support on the outside world but the world has no idea how screwed up the system can be at times.
Having lower support needs ASD and being houseless after my ex screwed me over (pardon my language btw) my step brother seriously suggested this to me. Mind you, not a transitional shelter, a PERMANENT residential facility. I have an IQ of 126, I’m an artist, never had an issue with unemployment in my adult life, so why on earth would I voluntarily sign my rights away to live in a prison where I have no control of what I choose to eat or when, where I can go or how I can control my money that I literally make myself? Honestly from personal experience from having dealt with both, shitty homeless shelters and psych wards have less restrictions than that. Permanent group home placement should only be used as a last resort regardless of any level of functionality. They’re also mostly for profit and to my understanding they purposely omit other options from the SN’s individual’s parents.
Many people in group homes are grateful that they got housing
Trust me. We don't.
(I live in a group home and it feels like I'm in prison.)
Yeah the state forced me to live in a group home against my will and I have to go to a day program instead of getting a job or living with my family or on my own Amber Frame
I'm forced to live in a group home against my will😢
I have autism spectrum disorders and all I see of a group home is a prison with no restrictive physical security features and that doesn't lock people up but where staff trap residents in the house, order them around, and follow them everywhere. Plus, everything people want to do, have, or experience based on abilities and interests are always denied in favor of an organized life plan that only allows restricted or no autonomy or freedom, yet people can still see everything that they're denied and can still see the outside when not allowed to leave the house. Isn't a life of no autonomy dangerous? Being held back and told "you can't do this" or "you have to wait" would make me feel like I'm in kindergarten again but even worse than those times when life was fun and easy, and now those times are long gone. I'd personally rather go to prison than live in a group home because the free world is a world of too much that overwhelms us to want to do, have, and experience many things that we like or might want to do and it's hard to hold back when it's always there and easy to spot or see.
I don't like people telling what to do and it make me mad and I feel like I don't get to do with I won't and I feel sad
I probably wouldn't qualify but if I did, I'd be so damn bad they'd have to get rid of me and force me back into the mainstream and out of the so-called system. I'm the Disability System's worst nightmare. It's no loss for me to not be bound to this system that's really a prison, authoritarian government, and adult version of daycare.
I live in a group home too that my parents put me in and I don't feel safe or comfortable there 😢
I will not live in a group home I live in a group home once and the group home person put my arm because I can't read the rules know I would never leave a group home ever again
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Hi Eric,
Even if a person is not kicking in a good condition or doesn’t have best things for the person with disability to offer, but if that person is completely trustworthy and willing to be there for loved one, we should invest our time and energy with them rather than relying on group homes. Group homes for me is not place for me. ( Never) Government should invest their money and resources more wisely than just giving out and I don’t think , this a proper solution because no one knows what is exactly happening in terms of accountability and accuracy with fundings. This is what I feel. Thanks for educating us so deeply and correctly.👍
Living
I enjoyed living in a sober living. It was the best time of my life. I’ve run several group home and the clients love it. I don’t know where you get this high turn over rate. Group homes and sober living can often be democratized.
Sober living is an entirely different thing though.
Eric you are the greatest
Places like Denmark and Norway already do somethings similar to this. They have government provided housing for the disabled. This was something that was supposed to get past immediately after the shut down the psychiatric hospitals, they were supposed to convert them to appropriate living facilities with modern capabilities, but that was shut down by conservative politicians. And every single attempt to pass socialize housing, for the disabled, has been snuffed out by the GOP.
Except I worked in many of these places. In several states. This was the most joyous time in history for my life. After violent assaults and other trauma I ended up in sober living. Second best time of my life.
For socialized housing, someone has to pay for services and it's usually the taxpayer. Also, services are limited for the patient as the family has to step in and fill the gap. I agree society has to provide for those who can't care for themselves. The family is the primary partner to provide for their needy relatives. But greedy governments including socialized ones who control your freedom, will take the lion-share of the money and dole out little for the needy. One has to look out for government corruption and control.
Is there any way to get someone out of a group home
Urgent my sister is getting taken away
I lived in 7 group homes
I lived in 6 group homes
I can't use bbq grill to used cook ribs, i am limited to food thats not home
I agree at first when my grandma died who raised me all my life I had to go to my Uncle Christopher house but he moved down south and I was forced to live in a group home since 2018 but this is my third year here and I really wanna go back to living with my family and my Guardian and SSA said i can't live on my own yet this is Amber Frame
So my question for you is have you ever heard of Home community based Services or have you heard of the term self-determination
I live in a group home and i hate it
Same here bro hopefully we both be out soon. How old are you? I'm 17 and restrictions should end by 18 apparently as I may be able to get back with my family soon. If U ever need to talk I'm here
Thank you so very much! Love your perspectives.
We are going to look at Patti getting assessed for more independent living by a group in Michigan called On Your Own.
thank you so much for doing this video for us..
I hate my group home I am forced to live a person who is obnoxious the house manger is so clueless
I have a friend who's in a similar situation in the group home he resides in. Thank God I've been able to live alone for over 15 years because I'd probably end up on death row for what I might end up doing if I was ever forced into that kind of housing.
Thank you Eric. Very interesting. I'm interested to listen to the podcast you mention with Lyn Segal (sp?) of Hope House but you did not include the link in your comments.
Notes updated with the link :)
@@ericgoll Thank you
Eric you and me are on the same 🛥️ we are against group 🏡
The group home model is broken
Patti and I are watching together..We Know they are not homes 😢
group homes suck and got strict rules like a mean landlord
Apartments condos and houses are home not group 🏠
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Eric group homes are not natural oppressive and 😩