Eugene Teo Is STILL An Edgelord || "Farmer's Walks Suck For Grip" 😑🤬
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Farmer's walks suck for training grip!
...or do they?
Eugene Teo, the fitness Edgelord himself, seems to think so. But I highly disagree.
So in today's video I dissect Eugene's recent short video where he asserts that the farmer's walk (a method of holding weights) sucks for training your grip and pales in comparison to the efficacy of the static barbell hold (a method of holding weights) when it comes to grip strength gains.
Apples are compared to oranges. Strawmen are rapidly erected only to be viciously kicked over. Enhanced bodybuilding ideology manages to bleed over into every other facet of fitness (per usual). And it all happens in less than 60 seconds. Thank goodness for short term content!
Here is my response. Please be sure to smash the like button and leave me a friendly comment with your thoughts on farmer's walks and grip training. Have a great weekend, guys!
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Return of Eugene the Edgelord
1:50 Eugene's Strawman
5:17 Eugene solves his own conundrum
7:14 Holding things SUCKS for grip...try holding things instead!
12:07 Why not kill TWO birds with ONE stone?
14:03 Here's a philosophical question for you - Розваги
It's largely a function of trying to constantly create content. Everything has to be more specific in focus and hyped up in importance to manufacture engagement. No one uses farmers walks for the singular purpose of building grip strength anyway. It's just that one of the benefits is building a base that can help contribute to grip strength over the long term.
I agree with both of your points here! But just trying to create exciting for the sake of trying to create exciting content does not give you a pass for blatantly silly takes such as this one. If anything, that is *worse* than if you actually fervently believe in what you are saying.
At the end of the day no one is forcing you to create content. So if the content to you choose to create is dissuading people from including awesome exercises in their program just because YOU don't see the utility of those exercises, then i take issue with that.
Great video, well argued and funny. FWIW I used to regularly farmers triple my bodyweight, which I'm pretty sure took longer than I could double overhand the same weight for, and my forearms are jacked
I do use farmers mainly for grip. Yes, I am weird like that
@@cjparkeffaking4551 I do them in drop sets with lighter weights for a total of about 30 minutes in order to get great cardio without bouncing and decent strength maintenance rather than specific strength training, so I guess we are all a little weird sometimes
@@cjparkeffaking4551 same here
Instead of holding things, try not letting go of this thing instead. Follow for more fitness tips!
Instead of failing a squat, try standing up
Great tip!
@@weyhanng7028try standing back up with the bar on your back*
@@weyhanng7028 alright rippetoe
@@migliore44 high fahve brother
TRY HOLDING THINGS INSTEAD! 😂
Isolation-holic is a good way of describe current fitness industry
Grinds my gears man
Lmao, Eugene is off base here. You’re right on all your points.
When we look at a farmers walk, the real kind with farmers walk handles - First, the grip aspect is dynamic in the sense that grip needs to hold strong through movement. Second, a light farmers walk for most men is still 150-200 lbs per hand. Third, when someone gets to the point of comfortably using around their deadlift max for a farmers runs, all grip issues go away.
The dynamic aspect you mention is very important imo. But Eugene compared that part to "squatting on a bosu ball" which is just silly imo
Damn I need to get my numbers up 😂
Lol i can't even lift a 200 lbs dumbbell from the ground as a 300 lbs man that trained for lets say a year. Saying light for most men? Exaggeration.
Omfg, he has not trained the movement enough to speak on it. My grip is the primary limiting factor in my farmers walk. I can carry things this year, that I couldn't hold for 5 seconds last year. Strength/endurance is the exact part that I need to carry over to everything I am doing it for. GRIP IS AN ISOMETRIC FUNCTION, THERE IS AN ENDURANCE COMPONENT TO ALL ISOMETRIC FUNCTIONS!!!
And bro, you said a mouth full, just because Eugene is fit for a living and can do grip work separately from everything else, does not mean I can. If I had to train grip separately I would not get it done.
After watching the effects of farmers walks carry over to so many other things I do, I just can't take him seriously on this one. He f****** up.
Excellent video bro, you nailed it.
As a school kid as a part time job on a farm i helped deliver 2 and a quarter tons of potatoes in 20 kg sacks into shops and restaurants carrying one in each hand (100 sacks) as well as power training, needless to say my grip was stacked,its something you never lose .
Ill have to start carrying shit again.
Thanks for the reminder Alec 😊👍
I need to do more of it myself. Been slacking lately!
Love you're videos, can't wait for this one
glad you made this cause i was scratching my head after watching his video a few days ago lol. none of it really made any sense
Your titles are hilarious. Eugene is probably the least edgy fitness youtuber 😂
Also the farmer’s walk is arguably superior in a certain way compared to a barbell hold because the hands are in a neutral position at the sides not a pronated position in the front of the body, which means the gravity can’t roll the bar out, meaning the fingers can be more directly taxed
I think the main reason people do barbell holds is to strengthen their grip for deadlifting (and other barbell exercises), so in that case the barbell hold is superior because of the specificity. For general applications, though, farmer walks are better because it is a more natural position for the body to be in.
For me, Farmers walk with just one hand is better, because you also train your core ayyyy lottt
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 Doing them just for warmups wouldn't really be enough work and doing the sets double overhand will most likely hinder gains as the grip will be the only one getting work in. That's why a lot of people just deadlift and then add some extra grip work in. I personally do that sometimes, now I've been just doing farmer's and heavy rows to work my grip.
"You wouldn't use a low load static exercise"...you're right!...I'd use a moderate to high load static exercise. Weird objection from him. Were people really walking around with 20 pound dumbbells for minutes at a time?? Your point about the manual laborers is excellent.
the same guy who said he stopped using barbell then proceed to do back squat weeks later.
Sounds like Eugene never had to carry all the grocery bags in one trip LOL
he probably takes multiple trips (low test)
I think Eugene might inject his test tho...
Bro only middle aged soccer moms need to be training for that. Farmers walks do a little bit of a lot of things which makes them not that great for any one thing
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 Hey I said "might", alright..
I figured when Alec referred to 'enhanced bodybuilding' he was including Eugene. I just assumed based off his cookie-cutter content, not cuz his physique was unbelievable.
But I guess that's what happens when I have an anon acc. Everyone assumes I'm a DYEL...
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 he used to compete in bodybuilding. Don't think he uses anything now but he's not a lifetime natty
I recently did 5x25 pulls up and even though my goal was not to train my forearms but my forearms were burning after the 15th set and the pump was insane.. this only shows that low-intensity work is good for forearms and also calves I think. it's not the most optimal but it does work.
It’s good to be called out sometimes, especially if that person has more experience or knowledge in the field. Everyone can learn from someone. Don’t lose your soul & stay true to urself mane. I don’t agree on all ur videos but ur a strong individual.
🙏
Have liked the vid. I will watch later
You are the fucken man bro lol, I could not fathom why anyone would think a Farmers of any kind of loaded carry for that matter, wouldn't be good for grip, or just general strength and conditioning
Thanks for the kind words man!
eugene is the ultimate gentleman 😠 no bully pls
All in good fun on my end. I'm no bully lol
Yeah that’s why I watch him, I love his calm demeanour talking through the exercise. I’ve never taken any tips from him but
Hey Alec, what should I do during rest periods? I find that just waiting 3-4 mins is boring and a waste of time. Should I do mobility or prefab work?
Supersets are nice
Irrelevant and late to commenting but:
I am not sure what to do for the muscles that work the side movements of the leg, things such as the adductors. I have a barbell and dumbbells. I prefer compound movements (by no means will I refuse to do isolation and unilateral work though), and I prefer full range of motion (this I am pretty fervent on.) I thought Cossack squats might work, but having done them, it seems like my proportions are too difficult to deal with (I am on the taller side, I have to do an almost comically split legs to get meaningful bend, but even then it is very limited compared to most, and I cannot help but feel there must be something with more range of motion in any case. Not to mention very awkward and unbalanced at that point.) All I see otherwise is machine stuff I cannot possibly access, or bodyweight stuff that cannot really be progressed, or works out other stuff more, it seems. Would greatly appreciate your suggestions or commentary!
The only thing i can get behind about the comparison of Bar Static holds Vs Farmers walk is just that the Bar Static holds won't tax ur whole body to just train your forearms , so it make sense if u don't have the room in your program to afford doing Farmer's walk and u mainly wanna train your grip this will be a good idea ...
however i don't think people doing Farmers walk ONLY doing them for just gripping strength or forearms hypertrophy because i would agree that wouldn't be the smartest use of training economy indeed , but most people trains Farmer's walk for the diverse things it trains from conditioning & strength to stability to traps hypertrophy as well and everything in between , and forearms and grip i would say it's just a side effect a byproduct of it not the MAIN reason tho ..
People spend 20-60 seconds doing sets of curls to build bigger, stronger biceps. I'm not sure why we'd assume it was silly to spend 20-60 second farmer carries to build bigger, stronger grip muscles.
People rarely do 3-second sets to build anything. I'm not even sure you'd see sets that fast at a powerlifting meet. That seems like the much stranger way of training.
I do light farmer walks. It's great for cardio and I still have enough grip strength to finish my deadlift workout for the week.
What sucks about this time of year is that I don't have to make weekly trips to the gasoline station to farmer's walk two 18L containers of kerosine back home. It might not be the most optimal training but my grip is always better during that part of the year.
I mean, look at it this way, if you're doing fat grip pull-ups, deadlifting a good amount w/o straps and you know just generally lifting, are you gonna have weak small forearms?
I don't think there's a need to train them at all unless you're wanting to be specific.
I consider my grip strength to be pretty damn good, (ex climber) but still, ive never felt a need to train them in the gym because they've been a limiting factor.
Not gonna lie, just do the thing and do it a lot, works well enough
Based
2:21 didn't know, and here I am going for high int. no wonder I got girlish yet strong forearns :/
single arm deads are a pretty fun grip (and upper back) exercise, so is rope climbing. i think the rope climbing is the hardest grip thing ive ever tried
Front loaded deadlift with one hand in the center of the bar or like a suitcase DL on the side of the body??
@@Dementia.Pugilistica option 1, but i prefer between the legs where itll sit slightly towards one leg
@@penumbrium like a Jefferson you mean?
@@Dementia.Pugilistica yeah but i wouldnt really consider it similar because the movement involves no rotation and in terms of feet angles and how open your hips are its like a conventional
@@penumbrium oh ya I got you
I’m not the strongest but I did a 2.5 minute x 3 with 30 lb dumbbells just for fun and the forearm pump was like no other.
Are dead hangs with progressive overload good for grip strength.
I don't see why they wouldn't be! But rather than overload it bilaterally I would just switch to one arm hangs and overload that instead....requires way less weight.
Pull-ups suck for your lats. Try pulling yourself to a bar in a vertical fashion instead.
I got some budget farmer carry handles. Love the shit out of them. I've even convinced a coworker to start doing dumbell carries. Now he loves them too.
You can get good handles for cheap these days! Probably s fringe benefit of crossfits popularity.
I'm old school...I've been carrying a calf every day.
The story of progressive overload! Blew my mind the first time I heard it. Really impacted my perspective on strength training!
Try the veal, it's the best in the city
Farmer carries are universally agreed on as the best grip exercise. Even dr. Mike at rpstrength who thinks carries have a terrible stimulus to fatigue ratio agrees that the raw stimulus is unmatched.
Dr Mike has some of the same issues as Eugene Teo; they tend to be hyper-focused on isolation for maximal hypertrophy, not strength or general conditioning. Hell, not even daily function.
8:14 and you can actually feel that if you're matched to a weight that is appropriate for you.
It’s not a farmers walk, it’s an “upright dynamic vertical hold.”
Dude I only found out about him because RP but also… I’ve only seen one video of ET that I’ve liked
Person demonstrates a farmer's walk with a dumbbell => I instantly trust their opinion much less.
You wouldn't say that a 1 arm curl is a shitty biceps exercise because doing it with a 220cm barbell makes it a balancing trick, because obviously a barbell isn't the correct equipment for a 1 arm curl.
Semi-related, I'd love to hear your take on Brian Alsruhe's Every Day Carry program, as its probably the only program I know that focuses on weighted carrying as the number 1 thing
Haha the dumbbell farmers walk is definitely the bottom totem pole of all farmers carries. I will get really creative and do lots of other things before doing db carries because the dumbbell is too short and physically obstructs proper gait.
I'll check out Brian's program! Hope you enjoyed the video man.
Tried some bench press advice from Eugene once and almost ruined my shoulder.... not taking any advice from that dude again, sorry 😅
Wait wuh?
Damn I like Eugene. Not ready for this.
How about farmers walks with fat gripz? I dont own any but may be an improvement for grip work.
I have yet to try farmers walks with fat grippz, but fat grippz chinups and pullups are pretty gnarly on the forearms. I have a Pro and an Extreme pair...the Pro's aren't too bad for normal work. The extremes are like holding onto a soup can (insanity for most things!). I also love fat grippz for hammer curls.
If you are prioritizing grip work, they do a great job. However, the reduced weight and/or shorter distance covered due to the grip challenge really takes away much of the whole-body benefit from farmer's walks.
Yes, that will work very well. Alex Leonidas also made a video on different excercises with fat grips including farmer walks. Check it out.
Eugenes flip flop about static holds is weird but i have to say i would agree about it not being the best exercise as a direct focus on forearm growth due to its overall demand on your body as well as the setup being a bitch.
As an overall exercise i would say farmers walks are great though.
bodybuilding beef, cool
I find that choking out obnoxious a-holes builds up my grip nicely
Do I qualify as an obnoxious a-hple yet with all my clickbait titles? 😅😂
@@EnkiriElite not at all, l enjoy your videos and down to earth info. It's good to hear from instructors who apply training techniques to themselves before putting advice to public. Also, for whatever reason l find my grip is strongest when l don't think about it, my grip is sometimes great, sometimes not so great, must be a rythym thing. Have a good one.
Ethnic Fabio
Lolol
What do you think of Ryan Jewers?
he should change his last name that's for sure
Would have to look into him, never heard of him. But I'll be perfectly honest, i really don't pay much attention to content creators in general 😅
@@EnkiriElite I think you would have a field day with his content. He's said some crazy things including, but not limited to : pull up/chin up is objectively a bad lat exercise due to arm path, free weights are far inferior to machines because of stability, the traditional lat pull down disadvantages the lats and is a teres movement, standing OHP is catabolic because core is limited, barbell bench press is bad because of instability and lacks the ability to converge, machine dips/pull ups are better than weighted, etc.
I hang, a lot, my grip is quite crazy, I can hang for good while. Most climbers have crazy forearms all they do is hang
Agreed!
Yeah, I think you the nail on the head. Fitness is relatively straight forward. Sure, there's a bit of nuance, but it's caveman-level nuance.
Fitness influencers run out of crap to talk about, and create their own drama... often by projecting their own goals and priorities on a different group. It feels like it drives a cultish behavior in the community, when...a lot of the audience just have a huge amount of overlap in goals (get bigger, get stronger, develop more endurance, perform better at what they care about). Overall, I think there's too much dogma...and I don't think it really helps the content consumers really learn what they need to... 😅
Let him go rock climbing with me
This is the shit people start saying in a world where fitness, an already very simple process, is beaten into the grave
I quit following that guy when he said barbell squats weren't optimal for legs. Snake oil salesman!
Trades people have the biggest forearms so Eugene is wrong. They don't hold 405 for a few seconds but sub maximal loads. Time under tension
I think strongmen and pro armwrestlers have bigger forearms than blue collar workers.
An Edgelord 🤣😂🤣
Forearms have predominantly slow twitch muscles. So max-strength stuff is not as beneficial. Just like you won't do maximal ab work for good ab strength. So yeah Eugene can piss off!
I'm no exercise scientist i just read some articles online like Eugene lol
I'm a really big on the method of lifting light weights for a lot of reps and incorporating as many muscles I can in every exercise. I usually go for like 20-100 reps and even though I'm primarily going for function and fitness, and technique my posture, my physique my muscle definition has looked better than when I used to ego lift a bunch of weights in a bodybuilding style fashion. I'm much fitter too, and I can move pretty quick for a big dude when I'm hitting the bag or sprinting e.c.t
I heard that lifting heavy weights rely more on your slow twitch fibres and burn out the fast twitch.
Where as light weights burn out the slow ones, and operate from the fast twitch fibres resulting in a slight speed gain in terms of lets say hand speed in boxing as an example.
I'm not 100% how true it is but it seems to make sense, given that it's well known in boxing and MMA that in the striking elements of combat sports lifting a bunch of big weights all the time makes you have less cardio, more stiff and rigged, less speed.
It can be more useful if you like to grapple a lot but probably limit mobility. Overall it's seen as kind of a determent to do that especially if you're a heavyweight and you already have power in the striking side of things. Depends on the athlete but, that's the general consensus I get from being someone who's followed it for many years.
That's a myth. Weightliting is not bad for strikers, there's videos of Canelo squating around 400 pounds. And speaking from experience, I got much more injury resistant when kickboxing after i lifting weights 3 times a week.
Isnt this the guy who said the barbell was the most overrated piece of fitness equipment invented in the 20th century?
(Its literally the exact opposite lol)
Yes lol that's why he's an edgelord
@EnkiriElite so basically you dont think he actually believes this shit just says controversial shit to be controversial? I would respect him more if he literally just held the opposite take than if he's manufacturing drama for no reason but I don't really know the guy's content besides a few lowlights lol
Feels like he's one of those guys who's contrarian for the sake of being contrarian just to get clicks. Lee Weiland is another fitness UA-camr like that who keeps popping up in my feed and most of his videos are like 'Don't do deadlifts, learn to handstand instead'.
A charlatan! He’s making an argument withholding context to make a point
Fitness industry is filled with people trying to reinvent the wheel
No doubt. It's dumb.
It's funny how any exercise that gets you stronger at things you'll actually do is shunned in favor of overly athletic nonsense. This is why your dad is stronger than you. Do the weighted carries.
Even worse, Eugene doesn't even promote athletic based things. He is just another hypertrophy biased trainer who's obsessed with isolating everything.
@@EnkiriElite exactly.
1) Eugene is seen using a barbell, by far the most overrated piece of equipment
2) Don’t trust a man who looks like he spends more time on his hair than his grip
I ain't gonna argue with your logic lol
Alec Blenis put it correctly when he stated that farmers walks do a little bit of a lot of things. Which makes them less than ideal at doing any one thing. Sure, if you load the absolute shyt out of them they will start to have an effect but at what cost? Heres a better version of a farmers walk: take a step, lower your back knee to the floor. Drive into the floor and take another step, repeat. 😉
Yeah I disagree
I think you have to talk nonsense like this about perfectly fine exercises to achieve hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
You gotta thank people like eugine teo for producing endless clickbait nonsense to debunk, right? I guess...
Eugene is weaker than Jason Blaha
Non negotiable