Why does a separate women's Valorant league exist?
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2023
- #valorant #vct #vctgamechangers In this video I go about the game changers scene and why it exists despite an already active Valorant champions tour, this video was short and I did intend to make it longer. Expect more vids which are longer and better made in the near future :)
Oh it also looks like I've misspelt separate in the video, please ignore that silly mistake lol
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It's simple, they're just trying to get more and more female professional players so they could one day eventually join the VCT
The pool for competitive women gamers is intensely small compared the pool for male gamers. Just look around, most gamers are boys and only recently did we see a rise and acceptance of girl gamers and it's already hard for a dude to not get flamed for being a noob in game. Now imagine being a girl on top of that. She be bombarded with flirts, flaming and weirdos. But, it's looking good now since almost 99% of the fellas I play the game with are decent men. Let's give it a few more years and that competitive pool will increase and we can have co-ed tourneys.
Exactly, riot themselves have made it clear that their intent is for the competitive seen to be co-ed in the future, like how they recently said that the reason the game changers championship won't take place in a big venue is that they don't want to encourage women to stay in a separate competition, and instead want them to compete at masters and champions. Game changers exists as a means to give women a space to develop and catch up with men who have gotten to develop their skills more.
Im not saying it doesnt happen but in all my time playing valorant ive never witnessed a girl being harassed.
@@maxwelleggart5534 it's not like harrassing, for example if i say to my friend "bro why you are playing so sheety?" he will not gonna be mad ,but same thing if i say to a girl then you know what will happen.
@@tirthadeepdas7467 These people that flame women will also flame men that perform poorly. They just have an easy way of flaming women by just talking them down like they're worth less.
@@maxwelleggart5534 i used to witness girls get harassed on Valorant almost every game i play on valorant but thank god i stopped playing that shit lol
same reason as why traditional sports separate them in the first place. i remember an all female team in LCS all the way back, they are having a blast.
I am glad that riot decided to make Game Changers, i think it is a great idea and a very important step towards a healthier competitive scene and I myself enjoy watching it from time to time but it's not the same reason why they have a separate league as traditional sports at all lol. Traditional sports have separate leagues because males have a scientifically proven biological advantage, decades of testosterone resulting in them being bigger and stronger in general. eSports have them to provide a less toxic learning experience and exposure.
@@sofia-lm2mi sure, of course. males have no advantage over female on esports whatsoever
@@gerryyong5361 more fast twitch muscle fibers, faster reaction times. Another thing to also consider is the normal distribution of males and females. The only thing I have at the moment is the normal distribution of IQ, but lets just for now assume that this kind of distribution can be true for e/sports. women occupy the majority of the of the 30-70 percentile, but men occupy both extremes, the extreme 1st and 99th percentile. Also lets just look at the world of professional physical sports, where there are only a handful of women who are competing within in men's leagues, and most of them will not be playing into the highest and most prestigious of the leagues; only playing in their region's/nation's league, and often times in their 2nd-4th division. If you are looking at the amount of time committed, skilled needed, other factors required to be the best of the 1% of the 1% of players of a sport/game, men are statistically going to be there more often than women.
@@narulizard the IQ part has nothing to do with it, it is a measurement of intelligence and memorization of school materials. In Esports you can learn every bit of game knowledge and still have a low iq. Other than that you are correct, men do have more fast twitch musle fibers and an avg of 23 ms shorter of reaction time.
@@dadiabetic1174 higher iq can certainly contribute to descision making.
Honestly I love Game Changers. The vibes are similar to regular vct but I think it hits higher highs. The reverse sweep at the finals for example, and all the storylines that fed into it
Higher highs in terms of storyline and entertainment or overall level of skill? Because game changers definitely does not have higher highs in terms of skill
its not similar in vibes to regular vct tbh
@@c00lGuy036 Bro he/she gave an example can't you just properly read?
@@c00lGuy036 there's a word called "storylines"
the simple reason why female esports exist is cuz theyre just word you have some like mimi and florescent but in their games they just kill everyone because most of these female pros are high immo2 - low high immo3 and rad
Great Video AGAIN. Man you never Disappoint 👍
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I remember seeing tweets on how a lot of women lose their passion to go pro simply becaus they're constantly treated with verbal abuse and disresepect simply because they exist in the lobby. Even 3kliksphilip made a good point on this: Even if they were to make it to Tier 1 and win something like a CS:GO Major, they still wouldn't be respected simply because they're women, meaning there's very little incentive for women to even give the idea of going pro a shot. Game Changers and other all women's leagues are supposed to give a place for women to compete without dealing with all the negativity they often receive and to hopefully revive the inspiration for women to go pro in esports. As long as people keep harassing women online and as long as the women's leagues don't interfere with the main leagues, I don't see why they can't be a thing.
Becouse women cant just block or mute peopl its online everybody deals with this problem not just women this argument is just stupid . Reality is if dealing with stupid online peopl is to much then you arnt made to be a pro in the first place . Peopl will judge your performance as pro every singel second you compeat thats competion and thats also why there arnt many women who want to do that its stress its grinding for 16+ hourse every day no sozial interaction you on the PC grinding thats just goes against what most femals want to do . Beeing a pro is insane time comitment with no short careers and no security you will win anything
@@xythiera7255 when it comes to competitive shooters like Valorant, communication is extremely important. If you have to block and mute everyone in every match you play, you might as well not play at all, which is a big problem for either sex, but women just deal with it tenfold compared to guys. I can join multiple games in multiple days without bumping into a toxic teammate. Even if I do, I can shut them up by simply carrying them. Women deal with it every other match, meaning they have to gamble their time, sanity, and rank by simply breathing into the mic to give comms. If RNGesus gives them sexist teammates, they’re stuck in a 1v9 for the next 30 minutes. Obviously 5 stacking fixes this, but most people don’t have that luxury. Online isn’t reality. It’s worse.
@xythiera7255 I agree, can't be getting your feelings hurt so easily
@@illuminAugi"can't be getting your feelings hurt so easily" okay so no comms because when i speak once i get dogged on for being a woman and then get teammates that throw BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT IM A WOMAN 😭😭😭 but ig "don't get offended" right? myyyy baddd i guess it's my fault i was born a woman, not the dudes' faults for shitting on me purely for being a woman...
This is religious crap. Gives the same vibes as "they went to a better place at a funeral". Polite therefore true essentially.
The sex that is evolved to be engage and be good at intraspecies competition is better at intraspecies competition?!?!?!?!?!?! There must be some sort of convoluted environmental explanation.
I am like Galileo and you are the catholic church, you deep down know I'm right but you're not smart enough to realize that you know this truth.
Banger video as always👏👏
I just wanted to post my reply to another comment as sole comment on this video:
Creating separate spaces for men and women aren't due to their biological differences. Cognitive function is not *significantly* different between the two sexes in regards to online gaming (UPDATE: I replied to a comment to open discussion, and what I said here was wrong. There are biological differences but the significance of those differences is still under debate and research). It's more systematic, than anything. There are women in radiant who have a high skill ceiling, but they're not picked up by the big franchises because of the rostering process. There is an implicit bias towards male gamers, for one of the reasons I will discuss. Franchises don't only earn money from winning tournaments. They earn money from sponsorship and viewership. These two factors are correlated. Higher viewer = better sponsor deals. A roster full of big names (usually males, like TenZ and aspas) garners more support from viewers. Women are often less popular in the esports simply because there isn't a large enough viewership for them, therefore franchises don't wish to roster them. It can be argued that players like ploo and Kyedae are high ranked players with a decent skill ceiling, but the women who are at the very top are often ignored. It is simply not the case to say that it is due to biological reason, but rather because women are unpopular DUE TO the idea that women are less capable in the gaming sphere. That is what riot is trying to navigate; in the hopes that big franchises like SEN, C9, LOUD etc. can find value in the players who just so happen to be women
Loved reading this!, the game changers is the first step in creating more opportunities for these very underrated and unrecognized talents. Hope to see the gap close up in the next few years.
I think a lot of teams could potentially see recruiting women as a ''risk'', which is honestly crazy. That being said, it probably takes 1 team to recruit a good female player for others to acknowledge the fact that women can compete on the same level.
@@iblazethegamer748 Yep! All it takes is that one "risky" roster change and (few) women will be able to compete in the actual VCT, but to be honest, I'm not sure when that change will happen
I feel like it is unreasonable to say there is absolutely no biological factor. And I am trying to be as unbiased as possible. Other than ranked play, If you look at some tournament stats, players In the game changers scene who transitioned to female like keenc or bob outperform many female players slightly. This is only an observation that I want to point out so we can think about it. Also you see tier 1 gc teams like version 1 lose to tier 3 teams like nsic. I understand that we want to see women as biologically equal to men but I have always found it better to highlight our differences so that we can appreciate each other for what we do differently
@@c00b Actually, you are correct. How I stated it was wrong. There are biological differences, but the *extent and significance* it weighs in competitive gameplay is still under debate. Women tend to have higher communication skills while men are usually better at visuospatial tasks, both necessary to play any team shooter well. The research is still growing, but there is underwhelming evidence that men or women are better at playing games as each sex gender *seem* to exhibit higher skills in different areas of the game. However, there are always both men and women who will be at the top of each skillset, no matter what. And I think that's the reason why women and men should compete alongside. In the context of Valorant, if men exhibit a higher visuospatial navigation, then I would put the male player as an awper. If a woman is not so great at mechanics but has high degree of awareness and communication, then I would put her as an initiator. However, back to what I mentioned before, there are still both men and women who excel on certain skillsets. And that's what VCT is all about. It's just generally harder to find women with these high skillets mainly because of the systemic issues I mentioned in my first comment. With what we know so far, even if there are significant biological differences, I think we can use that to our advantage and provide teams with the best skillsets for tournaments. :) The sad thing is that there are limiting factors as to why women aren't selected for these VCT teams such as possible sexual assault, misogyny, weird team dynamics, etc..
Great vid, looking forward to the day that GC starts achieving its goals and we can see some women compete at the top level.
the same way a separate Formula W exists. It's a waay smaller pool of females competing at karting or trying to get into Formula 3,2,Indy etc etc. So Having a women division not only helps boost the popularity but also grows a bigger pool of females playing the game professionally. So maybe in the future we can have a full integration or maybe it will be like in Golf and Tennis.
It's so helpful that I didn't even know a female category of formula 3,2 existed.
I'm not going to waste my time watching something I know it's not the main competition. That's like watching a Lol tournament made of diamond players. Can't take this seriously
This is literally proof it has nothing to do with reflex difference from male to female. 230 mph is 230 mph. Reflex is everything. Male and female have no say in error correction in that scenerio.
then don't. you obviously aren't the target audience. @@ismaelandradealves4238
@@ismaelandradealves4238it isn’t there to be the top level though, you are missing the point. It is there to inspire women in the future to race, and hopefully get some of them into at least F2
No it didn’t achieve anything except possibly wreck the careers of women because they didn’t have ability and determination to compete against the best in equal machinery.
F1 and Motorsport is harsh.
on the highest level we are very diffrent and better then women at high levels the smallest diffrence is big
also we arent equal to women in games or in sports we are faster even in reaction time
@@zakurazt annddddd?? Idc 😂😂
@@zakuraztYou're living in a fantasy land in relation to video games. There is absolutely no difference in reaction times to on screen materials between male and females of roughly the same age. Strength plays virtually no role in clicking a mouse and so therefore testosterone is irrelevant. Cope.
dude get off your high horse. women can do the same, you def missed the point of the video lol.
Incredible video as always
Appreciate it brotha ❤️
thank you for this video, everyone needs to hear this
Short answer: they wanna give these people a chance because most of them would be stuck in T3 if the new league didn’t exist.
Yeah but transgenders are going to take over the women's league. I'm just eating my popcorn as women champion dudes in 'woman face' and claim to represent women.
Wow, I guess men really are better at being women than women are. LOL!
Basically yea
That leaves out most of the actual answer though. Nice try. You need to work on summarizing the actually important bits.
valorant and apex women's league is really really fun to watch
kinda sad coz a lot of people online doesn't watch women's league coz of 1 reason: "girls are bad at gaming"
Yea agreed, especially if teams in VCT were mixed genders there would be a lot of risk for the women, a seperate league is great to showcase female talent
The risks would be?
@@Fleischgewordener_Sterbehelfer I want girls in the men's league so we show that there's a difference. Same with trans players who are in women's league. That was so entertaining, the chat had to be moderated with tens of thousands of bans and people said "bob built diff". Yeah woman face is unfair but it gives us entertainment.
@@Fleischgewordener_Sterbehelferu know their skill basically r not in the same level,pretty sure women will be blamed every games
That woud be basicly a handout becouse there is no women that woud be there becouse of poor skill thats just reality
@@-kenT111Of course they get blamed becouse they woudnt be there becouse of skill they woud be there for marketing . No body respect you for getting a free handout from the team
When I saw the title of the video I was afraid it was gonna be another endless amount of sexism like many other videos with similar titles but I was pleasantly surprised keep up the great work and the good coverage
I have a question, can't the female pros play with the male pros like in one team, for example for g2 shaz and mimi in the same roster as technically they're both radiants and pros playing at the same level
They’re not playing at the same level, and even thought they’re all good at the game, there’s a massive skill gap in T1 teams and the best Gamechangers teams.
Well they are definitely both playing in radiant and at pro level, however that's what this is about, a lot of orgs would just not pick a female player for various reasons. From how the public would react (because there are people that would just say they are not in the same level because of the gender) to even logistic in the dorms or the contracts.
And that's what the game changers is about, maybe there's a female player who is cracked and can improve more than any other radiant, but since there's no one picking them, they can't train under a coach or with sponsors. Players in a professional team have the advantage of having like 4 coaches telling them how to improve. They don't spawn at that level as some people think.
If the public view on female pro players changes, then it would be easier for them to join a bigger team.
@@koy7896 if T1 teams were radiant, the average top 500 ranked radiant matches would be diamond or even lower.
Just because everyone’s a radiant doesn’t mean they’re at a similar skill level in competitive tournaments.
Even if some female players were good enough to compete in T1, they’d obviously go smurf in Gamechangers instead.
@@jickey6108 I mean now you are just giving me the reason. If they are good enough for T1 they would not go to franchise.
The video is not about female players having the same skills as male players, it's about the possibilities they have, since there's a lot of viewers who would not like a female player in a competitive roaster and the orgs have to pass on talented female players.
Again they are not at the same level because they don't have the coaching of a big team behind. And this is true for female and male players. Radiant is the highest level of competitive SOLO Q. Not really competitive team game, so being radiant can be really different to being a pro.
But yeah game changers is just to improve the public view and make it easier for teams to pick up on female players. If someone watches the league and says "Wow they are really good, they could be in a big team" then that's a win for them.
I mean good for Keznit, he's really good.
But as I said in the other comment, the idea is to improve public view. Because if a big team picks a female player, then she can learn from the best coaches in the world and play scrims with the best players in the world. Because that's how you can improve.
A lot of AIM DEMONS that you find, are probably just good radiant players that were found by an org and the org trained them to be competitive players. I think if you are smart you can agree that a coach is a big difference.
It's not that woman are bad or man are good. The people look at them different and that's not something good and in the end the idea is that more female players can play at the pro level.
nice video, very interesting topic
Correct me if I'm wrong, this is just something I thought of and wanted some other opinions: But, could it possibly be that this is how all men treat each other which women are for the first time REALLY experiencing which is why they don't know how to handle it? Because I can assure you men's teams are not butterfly's and rainbows, whatever is being said to female players is definitely being said to male players but worse. Or am I just ignorant?
Simple answer women cant even beat t2 male teams so they'd get rolled against t1 teams. 💀
lets just say Gane Changers is basically a training round for women to compete and improve so that they can one day catch up to make players in VCT ....
in terms of skills
VCT is just on another level
That just doesn't make sense. It's not like every male pro needed a ton of time to improve. There are literally 16-17 year old male players that have only ever played ranked but are good enough to play in VCT. Guys like Oxy, Alfajer, and Demon1 were already at pro level even without much experience.
I still don’t get it. If male and female gamers are the same why can’t the women just join normal VCT? If the game is not physical then it’s an equal playing field?
ive always been so confused why do women have seperate vct for example in normal sports iys understandable because the male genes are different from female and gives advantages but i didnt get it why on esports
Also male genes, Males can be absolut fanatic freaks at playing games, if there is anything in the world that you can do to an absurd Level you can be sure there a man competing for it
primarily due to abuse and sexism. I've seen firsthand lobbies sexually harass female players the very second they realized they're women, it's incredibly demoralizing and as such, few female players play the game overall. Despite the fact there are some GC players that genuinely could play at the VCT top level, they've been swatted down. For example, meL was denied trials with T1 VCT teams solely because their members didn't want to play with a woman player, with some players threatening to walk out if the team granted her a trial.
Game Changers gives female players the opportunity that, for a multitude of reasons, they wouldn't get otherwise. We could debate all day if Game Changers is healthy for Marginalized Genders in Esports or if it undermines the concept that they're just as good as the boys, but it puts a spotlight on them in a way they would absolutely never receive otherwise.
@@immersion726not true.
Dont worry, men won the tournament 🎉
Simple men are better at almost everything.
bro was being held hostage by riot while recording this
They just arent good enough to play in main VCT. Before VCT:GC, there is 1 team full of female player on my region but they didnt even make it to group stage on VCT. After VCT GC exist, they became the best team on my region.
Better question is why do we separate men and women in the first place? If some sports favors men then so be it and if some sports favors women then so be it.
As a viewer I am only interested in the best of what a human can do. It is the highest achievement of peak human condition that draws the imagination of the lesser humans.
Just like in ancient times we are drawn to heroes with grand feat like slaying a lion or lifting weights beyond proportion. Not one would give 2 shites about a man or a woman getting mauled down by a lion or dying under a crushing house.
I say clear all barriers to sports and only have 1 standard for all humans to compete in and let the best of the best stand on top of all others.
respect for making video for controversial topic
His take wasn't even controversial
So like in league, if woman try to play vs semi or top male teams they just can t win, so they created another league for them just for them to feel good. Makes sense.
Then transgenders look at the women's league and say "is this for me?"
Nah. I know it's hard for you to comprehend simple things. Let me help you out a little.
Men mean. And rude. Men no like when woman share same space. Men losers.
I made that as simple for you as I possibly could. Hope it helped Ricardo 🥰
@@jeffthealpacaisyourdad385 calm down girl :)))
Your weird they made it so women could play without you being weird why do you care it doesn’t affect you or the male league if you don’t like it pretend it doesn’t exist weirdo
no company has ever done anything for women just to 'feel good' let's be honest. Esports has always been marketed toward men, a big reason why women struggle to keep up on a competitive level. (For example, I'm never going to be as good as my brothers, because they have been playing for years and thousands of hours longer than I have, for fun when they were kids and then competitively when they grew up.) They make leagues like this because they see the potential in bringing in and including women. Firstly, to give them space to grow and become more competitive (younger girls will see them and see it as an achievable dream) and to pull in more fans. It's a win-win for the league and women. The only people who loose out are butt-hurt people who aren't the target audience anyways.
I want to go pro, just scared i wont be respected
Your effort will be respected :)
I think that overprotecting women also brings negative things such as mental weakness, in Russia 10 years ago there were already female players in men's teams in shooters like warface, I hope they can soon compete in mixed teams
i think theres a little biological difference in the brain, more specifically in the inferior-parietal lobule, that maybe Benefit men in reaction time but i dont think that little diference its that big, only time could tell
bro loves mimi
It’s impossible not too
i have no clue how good the female teams are in like valorant or w.e probaly better than in league but for league it would be impossible to play in the lec or lcs or w.e major competition cause they are simply worse than all of the other male teams so they would just lose ever game u cant have 5 top chall players vs. like master, gm players and some of them are even lower ranks so they would lose per default
The spanish team rebels had included a girl in their roaster and it fits well and can compete at the same level, esports are not a physical competition so women can compete at the level of men, and if you think women are not at men's level take a look to florescent or Mimi
if they arent good enough for T1 they arent good for T1, if they wanna include women but they cant include them in T1 they should just make an official separate tournament for T2 or T3
Exactly, that's what they've done, but then transgenders are seeping their way into women's sports, so it's basically just dudes in woman face representing women's sports. Hilarious and entertaining.
It's that time of the month ladies and gentlemen, the circus is in town when women's VCT is in full swing.
These ladies are truly built diff, built like men actually.
@@nightboot6194 As much as I don't want to sound mean but as a woman I feel the same way as you. I was really happy when G2 Gozen won Game Changers because they don't have a trans person on their team. If a team with a guy had won that tournament the comments would have just been about the guy carrying the team and that's why they won.
@@cappuccinobean2442 and that is transphobia!
@@idv It's not relating to my attitude about trans people but to the way people still invalidate female players (current example: "SR only won because of florescent"). I also don't think it's transphobic to make a conscious decision to root for a female team. It's not like I'm advocating for the trans players to leave or send mean messages to them. I wish them well but am just not rooting for them to win first place. Just like I don't think it's sexist when men only watch men's sport if that's simply what they're interested in. I think the term has been used too liberally by people like you.
There is also the problem that women basically have had not been given much opportunity is esports like csgo. A lot of rosters are built of ex cs pros which makes it unfair to pit them against a group that hasnt been given the chance to play at a high level.
Skill is the only thing that matters its like saying we're not gonna play Ronaldo and messi we're gonna give Rebecca and Rachel a chance. Like most pro league women exist around d1, master mmr there is hundreds of thousands of men in that bracket not getting paid as its not a good rank
Bro is scared to commit to the truth because he thinks he'll be cancelled.
But I respect that you still made a video regarding this.
Short answer, most men are better than women at videogames, those top of the line female players will occasionally make it to the tier 1 orgs but is incredibly rare
You fail to mention that men and women are different. The distribution of skills and abilities of men and women shown on bell curves mean that men dominate the top 1%. They also dominate the bottom 1%. While the middle ground is equal. To be pro, you need to be in the top 0.005%, the chance of women being in that top 0.005% is extremely slim, but possible. Women need, and deserve their own space to compete, and be free from biological disadvantages. There are many factors that stop women from being competitive against men in all sports, not just eSports. That's why you see women and men separated in more than 99% of all sports. If you put them together, women will be out of the competitive game completely. Maybe every 10 years you'll have 1 woman in top tier esports, and the likelihood she will even be in the top 100 is going to be 1000's to 1.
Hi
It s not about sexism it s just man are way better than woman in gaming, tell me a girl that did reach top 10 radiant ? Or cs and any other fps game.
they would still need many years to train and work on that, and still in the end they might not reach male pro players' skills
The quick is they suck. Just like how the NBA has the WNBA.
Men are dominating esports due to them being better!
Ngl some of the women I’ve played against in immortal elo are cracked out of their minds (the ones that actually climbed to their ranks and not the cringe edaters that get hard carried because their man is antisocial and can’t function without his girl around)
Right, because anyone can be cracked if they put in the work
sadly there are people like Kp who abuse this to get into weaker women's league.
bro mimi 😍
I hekin love Mimi ❤
1. bro geeking, the only sexist people in Val are sexist to be toxic not just to be sexist same as the racists, think about it, as well as I haven't seen many female players being discriminated against. 2. if female teams cant compete with male teams so be it, but there is real female talent out there that can compete, and if "mean comments" are stopping you being able to create a career, that is personal, I 100 percent believe that females are just as good as males in esports, they are just being stopped by petty things and separating the leagues just hurts the potential of popularity of said female player, stop being controlled by feelings and just show the sexists you can compete
A lot of people also don't realise that most girls only started picking up video games in their teens or adult years, and there's a natural skill gap that is slowly being closed as it becomes more normalised for women to play, and to play younger.
For example, I only picked up Val as my first ever fps at twenty-three, whereas my brother has been playing CoD and other such games since he was maybe eight or nine. That's more than a decade more of honing a skill that he has, but people will chalk it up to me being female.
Men are wired to be better at making lots of precise quick decisions as far as physical reaction time than woman both physically and mentally. This is because men are designed to be the hunter in the tribe and those skills were refined through evolution. Therefore reaction time and decision making clearly favors a man in an fps game.
Even then, CoD doesn't prepare you for valo. You'll find that on the extreme ends of the spectrum, the difference in skill between men and women are maximised. Although I hardly see how this is an issue to be taken personally.
Honestly I'm getting a lot of 'younger sibling syndrome' vibes from modern women, you're trying so hard to be our competitive equals, it's an uphill battle for you. You should be championing your older bros.
Maybe instead of adopting masculine traits just so you can "show the guys" you should consider playing to your own strength and adopt a more feminine path.
@@RAWRLEN87 nah 😂
@@nightboot6194 "Maybe instead of adopting masculine traits just so you can "show the guys" you should consider playing to your own strength and adopt a more feminine path." wtf redditor go back to where u belong ew
how is gaming a masculine trait, you weirdo? It's a modern invention and a fun past time. And there is a natural skill gap, because people like YOU exist who don't think little girls should be playing video games. And now you have every little boy who spent fifty hours a week playing video games, learning FPS and the necessary coordination and aiming to be competitive and teenage/young adult women who pick it up are not going to be capable of closing that gap. They have, in many cases, years and thousands of hours of more practice, not to mention a lack of bullying and blatant sexism that gaming communities never take into account pushing away female gamers, and you want to say it's a 'skill difference'. Not really. Put a little girl in front of a screen as much as all these pro gamers did with the same amount of hours, the outcomes will be in line. @@nightboot6194
Seems kind of patronizing since there this is an eSports and not a real physical sport. No reason it should be separate. Not like it's an input issue (mnk vs controller)
A lot of comments actually confirm why we need game changers. The public view is definitely not in the favor of female players and a lot of people really don't understand that you don't suddenly become good, if a team picks you it's because you have potential. Most pro's have more than 1 full time coach for them so that they can improve and win. If a team doesn't pick a player, they can't improve at the same level as the pros.
So the if the public view improves, and there's less comments on a youtube video saying "Girls are worse". Then maybe a team can pick a female player regardless of what the public thinks, because they are an entertainment organization, and what the public thinks matters for them.
Top game changers team lose to t3 and t2 teams with 1 or 0 coaches
@@c00lGuy036 bro really missed the point
Do you really think a val pro t1 tier would care if someone was a female? If demon1 was a female he'd still def get signed
Theres a reason why the player with the most testosterone is first in the womens league
Honestly, the comms in a game change so much when a girl is on the team. I don't know why but the aggression of comms and team banter drops significantly. When I flame a random guy, we have a mutual understanding that it isn't deep, and it's mostly making a bad situation comedic. Guys just don't treat girls in the same way. It's like every guy is scared of being called sexist, which results in different treatment based on gender, which is basically sexism.
I don't know what the answer is but if the boys can't banter with the girls as well, the gaming experience will never be the same.
It’s so hard when you want to be inclusive and helpful but you know deep down you can’t really do much by lying to yourself
No one thinks flaming is funny.
Nah if I get flamed then I'll probs throw the game. The game ain't that deep it's just pixels, but if you care enough to flame then you can lose.
@@nightboot6194 We probably have different definitions of flame. I wouldn’t imagine anyone has had their feeling hurt enough to throw a game from flame. Honestly, it’s even more disappointing to see someone that can’t take criticism and decides to ruin the game for everyone else.
@@flytelp I don't take Valorant that seriously, but having no respect for people and talking shit is not something people do in real life, it only happens in video games because there's no repercussions. People don't want some kid calling them 'dog shit'. You gotta learn respect in the real world. But fine, if people want to talk shit, then I won't try and win for them, I don't respect them enough to want to try.
There is one objective truth. We all know what it is, but wish it wasn't true. At the highest level, for whatever reason, a team roster of only woman is unable to compete with every other team. IDK why this guy keeps bringing up toxicity when that shouldnt matter in the moment of the match. No one playing is sitting there looking at comments
When you aren't sexist it isn't hard to figure out. Toxicity keeps women from playing the same amount that men do. Sexism keeps women from playing the same amount that men do. I mean in present tense- I couldn't tell you how many times I've shut down my PC because I was tired of people throwing my matches because 'ew a girl'- or because in the past you were encouraged to do other things. (While my brothers were playing video games I was doing gymnastics. There is a skill gap that will never be bridged, not because I am a girl, but because they have THOUSNADS of hours of practice in their youth that I will never be able to mimic).
Your argument is like me saying "why aren't men better flyers?" meanwhile, boys aren't encouraged to cheer, are pushed into doing other things, by the time they can pick it up for themselves it's too late for them to actually make the progress needed to be good at it. Like...think for a minute.
@@allieannette3712 My sister was a stingray. We both know men could never be a flyer because theyre just too big and heavy. If a man were to be a flyer it would have to be with an all male cheer team. Even if that were to happen I dont think someone would want to see a dudes with a leg above their heads and their sweaty bulge out for everyone to see
The one important metric that everyone seems to downplay is reaction time. In comp match making it isn't super important, but in VCT it might be the second most important factor after aim. These players are playing LAN. There is basically zero network latency. The only "ping" is the players ability to react. Who can aim faster yet precise and who can left click faster. A good comparison you can make for reaction time are sports like tennis or ping pong. You will NEVER see men vs women at a professional level because men dominate women. Men are physically faster and mentally react faster than women.
@@allieannette3712 Explain the typing profession, 88.8% of professional typers are female. Despite that, the average words per minutes (wpm) of females is 37 meanwhile the average of men is 44 wpm. You should expect women dominate in this field since they are indeed more engage and trained than men to do this, despite that typing competitions are still male dominated and the overall average speed it still in favor of males, suggesting a passive biological advantage beyond social reasons.
The idea that we are completely equal is insane
Women are disadvantaged unfairly but most of it comes down to e.g shooting in men just having a far shorter reaction time
This is wrong.
@@lucaursini7320 Nice argument
"This is wrong"
Damn so much I can get from this
@@Tark_ Male reaction time being only on average 20ms faster makes an insignificant difference in a tactical game like valorant.
@@lucaursini732020 ms is actually significant though
@@lucaursini7320 Explain the typing profession, 88.8% of professional typers are female. Despite that, the average words per minutes (wpm) of females is 37 meanwhile the average of men is 44 wpm. You should expect women dominate in this field since they are indeed more engage and trained than men to do this, despite that typing competitions are still male dominated and the overall average speed it still in favor of males, suggesting a passive biological advantage beyond social reasons.
30-40% females playing valorant is actually massive
but isn't there a smaller player base of blind peolle playing valorant too? why dont we have a blind people only tournament? make this make sense please
Not to sound rude or bigoted
But 2 reasons
1) they're not as good
2) it's a more positive space for them
First one definitely not true 😂😂
@@jeffthealpacaisyourdad385 80 iq
Men have stronger motor responses which means in general tend to react quicker, it's a narrow margin but in a competitive environment hundredths of a second can determine the outcome.
It’s this simple fact that many people ignore because it’s too upsetting to admit. That’s why your comment is at the bottom with no likes. If we could just learn to accept the differences than we wouldn’t have to fight about the reasons as to why we have a female pro league. Anyone who has lived on this planet for a long can see that women are different than men/men are different than women. NOT UNEQUAL, but just different
omg these women’s with big paragraphs
No the reason why it exists is because the women who play in game changers is because they arent good enough to compete in the main stream league accept the truth they just dont want to grind as much as the men do
That is the truth if you want to buy into the fact that women arent at the top because they are overlooked and not that they as good as their male counterparts go ahead keep coping
Wamen no video games.
Theres nothing to do with with sexism.Vaevictis in LCS is the perfect example.
There are far less women playing shooters and MOBA games than men. Thus the chances of having a pro level female player are extremely low in comparison. That's why there's a separate league for women, and it has nothing to do with the biological capabilities of each gender, btw.
Lol you are very wrong. Explain the typing profession, 88.8% of professional typers are female. Despite that, the average words per minutes (wpm) of females is 37 meanwhile the average of men is 44 wpm. You should expect women dominate in this field since they are indeed more engage and trained than men to do this, despite that typing competitions are still male dominated and the overall average speed it still in favor of males, suggesting a passive biological advantage beyond social reasons.
Stop this bullshit men and women are very different.
Women have been getting "girl power" propaganda fed to them for at least 20 years now. There's been nothing stopping women from coming in and taking over esports. (Women do outnumber men after all) Women tend to not be "hardcore competitive gamers" because of how other women would judge them. It has less to do with toxic male gamers.
What about the world chess standings? Can you explain that one? Why would the top female player not even be in the top 114 of men (as of typing this) in terms of elo? Why? I'm pretty sure men and women are just built different, with different strengths and weaknesses, and that's ok!
I dunnooooo It feels so fake to me, I'm happy they do something about it but... I dont think this is a mature thing to do.
feels feminism and antifeminism at the same time to me. feminism's core is that the two sex is = But can you reaaallly say this is the case here?
they get different treatments, a different enviorment, this is so flawd like a patch of duck tape slaped to the core problem.
A core problem requires a core solution. I dont pretend i know how to solve this but this one is not one.
Also where this may create more problems than it solves:
this creates more distinction and if that goes bad it will achive the oposite with more sexism and racism induced
(disclaimer: English is not my native)
I think this is the most 'core solution' possible, it's just that it looks weird right now cause we all know how big the skill gap is currently.
In my opinion leagues like this helping there to help next generation of fermale gamers and not that much the current one, girls are not getting motivated to pursue gaming competitively because they lack role models in the scene.
Because
Hear me out
It is what it is
Its not a physical sport... Separating men and women only will make sexism and prejudice worse. Same problem with chess. They give women there own league because they think they can compete better there than with the men. This puts a celling on women that want to be the best at chess or valorant player man or women.
some of these comments are difficult to read with ppl stating these "biological differences" and the role of testosterone, YALL everyone has testosterone pls stop using this vague hormone as an explanation. These narratives of sex difference are becoming outdated with research finding negligible difference in innate skill disparity between men and women. men and women are more alike than different the big biological gap we've been led to believe was research historically used against women to gender zone and gatekeep male spaces. the real difference is related to upbringing, exposure to gaming at early stages of childhood and other societal factors. I hear alot of ppl ask then why aren't there more women in gaming spaces? and their argument is that women are not naturally inclined to esports. It's not that women don't play games, they make up 45% of US gamers overall though only 14% are involved in the industry, why? It's not because of accessibility, women go into the industry AND ARE DRIVEN AWAY, THEY LEAVE due to gaming culture. Who would want to work in places with frat boy and incel mentality and men telling you that you are biologically disadvantaged.
Theres nothing stopping Women from being in the pro scene even top male solo q players dont make the scene because its a different beast entirely. I know you dont want to admit it and you want to protect women but its true theyre not as good. All the experimental female esports teams have all failed because they werent better than even the worst esports teams. Game changers exist because it gives these women a nice environment to play the game at their competitive level and get exposure aswell because none of these girls will ever be good in regular competitive valorant. If you cant except that and just blame everything on "toxic males" then youre just lost. Also your statistic on females gamers making up a good portion of gamers also includes mobile games like candy crush just an fyi.
@@theultimate341 this is not me saying the players in game changers are able to play at the level of VCT right now. Thats not the issue. the issue is the belief that female players will "NEVER" be able to compete at that level. I'm also not blaming "toxic males" im talking about gaming culture as a whole is an extremely gendered space and is not an inviting space for women. yeah there's "nothing" stopping women in the pro scene but you cannot tell me that there is equal opportunity here. Its just ironic how you hold these views like millions of other dudes and say theres nothing stopping women. THESE NARRATIVES ARE lmfao. Women's space in esports is still fairly new and growing, it takes time to flesh out the scene just like for the boys. The idea that these women will never be able to compete at high level is just a reflection of the essentialist narratives in gaming. My guy u won't ever be able to compete at their level either. Gatekeeping 101 accept ur place and move on lmfao bro like how do u not see the issue here?? no mobile games were not included how tf r u giving me an fyi when u havent even read the shit. damn
@@theultimate341 or maybe there are significantly less women that play video games so there aren't as many to choose from. Also let's not forget majority of the women who do play, only play casually which makes choosing the best even harder since their won't be nearly as many female players as men. Face it. You lack the ability to actually use common sense because the conclusions I came to was pretty obvious 😱😂😂
cope harder
Average beta male.You must be raised by a single mom.
Seperate spaces for both men and women ensure equal oppurtunity to compete. Especially if women have a hard time competing against tier 2 male teams, it just allows them to have a space in the competitive scene among themselves. Comparing the skill of a man and a woman is completely different than comparing the skill of two women. Both can have the same level of mastery, but biological differences change the peak performance level for men/women. Men have a more developed cerebellum, woman have better fine motor skills, men and women have different hormones. I think they should be seperate for much of the same reasons. And acknowledging that women and men are different does not mean that we are saying that they cannot be equal- it just allows for equity.
you're right to some extent, but the narrative of innate biological difference in gaming is becoming increasingly outdated and sex difference research like this is used to gender zone spaces like gaming. Yes there are 'innate' differences but these skill disparities are much lesser than we've been led to believe, in fact many studies of gender in esports found negligible skill differences rooted in "biology" rather its dependent on upbringing, exposure to gaming at an early age. boys usually find FPS games when they're barely 10 and girls usually much older well into late teens. I agree that separate spaces are important for visibility and equity, but incorporating women and non-cishet men in the gaming space will help change toxic gaming culture for the better and dissolve this toxic masculine hegemony.
V1, the current winners of NA GC who didn't drop a single map, lost to a random tier 3 no names during the qualifiers to NA Challengers
Let's agree to disagree here. Creating separate spaces for men and women aren't due to their biological differences as what the first reply states. Cognitive function is not different between the two sexes in regards to online gaming. It's more systematic, than anything. There are women in radiant who have a high skill ceiling, but they're not picked up by the big franchises because of the rostering process. There is an implicit bias towards male gamers, for one of the reasons I will discuss. Franchises don't only earn money from winning tournaments. They earn money from sponsorship and viewership. These two factors are correlated. Higher viewer = better sponsor deals. A roster full of big names (usually males, like TenZ and aspas) garners more support from viewers. Women are often less popular in the esports simply because there isn't a large enough viewership for them, therefore franchises don't wish to roster them. It can be argued that players like ploo and Kyedae are high ranked players with a decent skill ceiling, but the women who are at the very top are often ignored. It is simply not the case to say that it is due to biological reason, but rather because women are unpopular DUE TO the idea that women are less capable in the gaming sphere. That is what riot is trying to navigate; in the hopes that big franchises like SEN, C9, LOUD etc. can find value in the players who just so happen to be women.
@@aquariia3723 That was pretty insightful, thanks for sharing with me.
@@puffoffluffedair543 No. These differences maximise when at the extreme ends of the spectrum. You're looking at the average human male and female which is absurd when we're literally talking about elite players.
the women are simply just worse. saying that sexism is the reason why they can't even play in the tier 2 pro league of valorant is cancer.
Nah. I love when men try and act like sexism isn't the big issue when I just saw a girl get called a wh0re and slut after she took a guy's kill. Keep living in delusion. I wish I lacked that much common sense. I'm kind of envious 😂😂
I can see how and why men do better at sports that make use of things like strength and bone structure.
But I dont get why women are worse at things like chess and video games.
Simply put.... they cannot take the hate a men can
A 16 year old girl will have better reactions than anyone. So if young women aren't dominating in eSports you can only put it down to deadication to play hours - which is a hard call to blame on men. As you cant get more equal than a keyboard and mouse ss a base for sport. Part of men snd women being equal is not blaming the other for their own shortcomings. Setting up a separate category for women is stone-age thinking, and will only encourage weaker engagement. Because one group can become a champion with 4 hours of daily practice, but the other needs to put in 12 hours daily to become champion. If I get abuse in a game it encourages me to dig in and dominate, and not walk away whining, so I don't think anyone buys that excuse. We need to judge all eSports on merit on a level playing field. This is the opposite to equality, and is extremely danging to female players and equality in general.
It has nothing to do with sexism or any other sjw term u want to use. Men are better at video games thats why 99% of pros are men.
Personally love game changers and I am interested in seeing if the VCT main league will ever include females that can play at that level. Despite sexism in the gaming industry, natural biology does play a part but that doesn't mean it can't ever happen, so an all-female team would be the coolest thing ever.
v1 tried to do a female only roster for challengers but they didnt do that well
@@Dylan-np4oy yeah not surprising, would be more realistic to see a female outlier on team of men
@@Dylan-np4oy for example I think a talented female IGL could have potential, considering women’s are much better at performing under stress (and igl is more about strategy and reads as opposed to the to frags)
@@ProdByCari a female igl would be interesting to see for sure.
@@ProdByCari idk if thats true for every girl tho bc my gf always says that if she didnt get so scared in game she could play better but i think men and women are almost the same in that way
Women and men are different. It's not that deep.
Valorant isn’t a physical game so physical differences don’t matter
@@duckalotl Men are still generally more competitive and have faster reflexes.
Reflexes still can be trained. Rn it’s just a matter of inexperience
@@Blob.fishmusic reflexes cant be trained, not on a noticeable amount that is.
@@duckalotl i want this to be true but the reality is Male has over 10,000 year of evolution specifically trained for hunting.
For the past 4 minutes you've been saying the same thing and just using different words for it, which feels ingenuine to be honest. Just say it, men are generally better at most competitive games. It is a known fact no need to sugarcoat it. Not trying to be rude here. You like it, you don't, its up to you but its a fact. You can't argue with facts.
Men' seem to forget the only reason ya'll are "better" is because it's been catered to millions of men for years. Women starting to dabble in video games is a fairly new occurrence. Of Fucking course an activity with a MAJORITY male players is going to have majority male winners. It's fucking common sense. It's not that their better. Millions of men have played for years, even decades while women are just starting out.
I feel like ya'll never use common sense and I think I'm right. It shows 😂😂
Toxicity and sexism are sadly present on every single video game. I can totally understand why a female will stay away from this shit toxic environment some men can put them into. However, you are completely disregarding the amount of hours, health issues and mental damage pro Tier 1 players have to put up with to get there.
Toxicity is not the major reason why there are no pro women playing with men, the reason is there are not as many women willing to sacrifice their 20s to have a shot at the pro scene as there are men. Even if we compare it to other sports with no comms the outcome is the same.
The biggest example is chess, no talking/messaging even eye contact and yet Magnus, Caruana, Hikaru and any other top GM will obliterate any female chess player in history.
Look up "best ____ player" and 99% of the time it will be a man, and interesting enough a good % will have died a young age, got a mental illness, are going through depression or have unfortunatelly killed themselves.
Toxicity sadly decreases the women player base but it will not discurage a top radiant female player from trying to reach pro. Even in League, the most toxic/disgusting videogame ever made, there has been women playing along men on T1, and if there is precent then it can be replicated.
Game Changers is defintelty doing something good by giving women a space where they can compete at a leveled environment, this encourages the talented amateur female gamers to try persue a career in esports and overall their playerbase. But saying it's needed to resort to this event due to most of its players being "looked-down" to is an utter fallacy.
If there is something average women look more down to than a male-gamer is a female-gamer.
And no 4:39, there is no "need for more diversity and representation in esports". If you are good you make the cut, if not you'r out. Is Argentina racist/toxic for not having a single black/asian player in the world-champions team? And France "inclusive" for having half their players black?
Because women represent a smaller amount of competitive gaming, it's easy to point at the ones that do bad and say "women are worse." Men and women are equally bad and good in the competitive scene, but we see more good male players simply because there's more men in the scene. This is why VCT Gamechangers is a thing; we are trying to level out the playing field that has been male-dominated for years. It has been a great opportunity for female gamers to show their talents. I hope to see more from Gamechangers 👍
There's really no proof this is the case. The winners of women's VCT lost to a tier 3 males team. (tier 1 is the highest tier). At that point it's not about the size of the women's pools. The size of the women's pool should be large enough to qualify for T3, but they don't.
Now you have to stop the cope and live in reality like us men do. You only have the luxury to play make believe because of how privileged the modern woman is.
You always have to make it about men vs women, aside from that being asinine, you simply cannot compete. Men and women have not been fighting against one another throughout human history, rather, human history has been a tale of men and women fighting together against the catastrophe of life and it's deeply saddening that modern women have no understanding of this.
I still think it would have been more impactful if Riot made some rules or regulations that gave incentives to VCT teams to actually have female players in their rosters. Game Changers is great, but it doesn't change the fact that it's something on its own instead of being an integral part of the competitive scene.
At the expense of competitive integrity? Despite what the video says, women just cannot compete in T1 and we have proof of this.
@@nightboot6194 Lol what kind of proof? Stop crying my guy
Oh and also, Valorant doesn't have a lot of "Competitive integrity" to begin with, you can't cry about it in a game with abilities and heroes that works better on certain maps and may force players to play the meta. Just admit that you are still underage and you still think women can't play videogames.
@@spammus1 G2, the best woman's team, lost to a 'no named' team in a tier 3 qualifiers match. (They lost to amateurs.)
You're advocating to fix teams with gender quotas and you're calling me underage? Not only is your idea deeply unpopular and impractical, but it's also deeply immoral to reserve professional positions for people based on their genitalia at the expense of better qualified professionals who will be excluded based on their genitalia.
Why don't you start a crayon club and implement gender quotas there? Keep your gendered lunacy out of sports.
@@nightboot6194 bullshit 😂😂
Gender changers
they cant even reach radient
Bro can't even spell radiant
@@its_picks7280hahahahaha
Becouse pro woman is mid tier man player
It would be chill if it was for women but that "marginalized genders" ticks me off, calling women marginalized is a bit much. in 90% of my games where there's a girl on my team everyone is acting normal, and even if someone is being toxic they're probably toxic to everyone else as well, they're just throwing any insults that come to their mind. Then that ends up being viewed as sexism in gaming community when in reality it's just that that person is an asshole. Also since trans people can play technically nothing is stopping a male high level player from identifying as a woman and playing anyway lol.
The point of game changers was never to be fair 4:15 that’s why you see marginalized genders to be included it’s kinda fucked any asshole guy could choose to be marginalized and fuck over the competition but that’s not the point of game changers….
@@c00b Yep. The women's league was a circus that allowed dudes to perform with 'woman face'. What a freak show.
i feel like it should be optional for women to choose game changers or regular vct with males whatever they are comfortable with. ive seen many women absolutely DOMINATE men in valorant
All of this nonsense will stop , when one , just one , team or even just player , can come up agaist male teams or players for real , so far it has not happened , and blaming it on toxicity or something is just nonsence , in cs they try to qualify to tournaments and just get recked , they create a separate league because otherwise , there wouldnt be any female team in any of the big tournaments , they wouldnt qualify , that would look bad , so they just segragate them in their safe zones, doing so will garantie none will ever reach the male level , since to do that they would actualy need to play them in a regular competitive enviroment.
It all boils down to genetics and how many women are playing. I do not ever see a woman's team winning a major in anything that takes high mechanics like valorant, CS, Overwatch, etc etc. Obviously there's great female gamers that can beat my ass with ease but you put up the best female fps player alive against Yay and she will lose. Men have higher reaction time on average which is one of the big determinating factors on how good you can be. Men are also more competitive by nature. You can look at real sports and see all of this being reflected included that women aren't pushed to do sports like men are.
I will also add women get so much shit for no reason. If she's playing at the same rank as you then she is as good as you and I do see a co-ed team eventually winning
They'd do better with a male leader IGL
Nah 😂
There is no misogyny in the gaming community even male gamers have mental issues that's no reason for female gamers to not enter the top ranks...its just that there are very rare women who can take on players like tenz,asuna,etc. This new tournament just reinforces the idea that women are not equal to men. Well there is also the evolutionary aspect that men are more competitive and aggressive than women that creates much impact. Why do people just see one variable gender I dont get it when there are many other in the mix. Thats the very reason why women NBA, women IPL exist in the first place.
The first sentence is already false, the gaming community is probably the most misogynistic out of them all, just look up how many compilations there are of men being misogynistic towards women and as a man, I have encountered this too. The team I was in ranked had a girl and our bottom fragging jett started flaming her and straight up saying women shouldn't play Valorant. The game changers league exists to give women a safe place to compete in and get good so that they can grow the female player base since the eSports scene of a game is a good advertisement and if you have women playing, it's encouraging other women to play the game as well which is only a benefit for the company.
@@speedforce8970 What are u even talking about isn't the west supposed to be the supposed 'pioneer' of being the most feminist culture of all... we in India have girls playing in pro teams along with the boys and no one flames them...yes i agree there are some A-holes (like just 10%) but most of the community doesn't act like that they will play with girls but there are not too many girls who can compete with these ultra pro players cause not too many girls play valorant srsly in the first place....**again there are many other factors gender is just one factor**....well if I say this the radical feminists( basically the left) will just cancel me saying I am a misogynist and all and will complain about not having any freedom of speech XD
you are very inept
Bro just say man have better instincts so they couldnt make it into the vct leagues. Sad but true bro, no toxicity
I will not watch the entire video, however there are 2 league because males are just better at competing in general, games, videogames, sports, whatever it is, males wants that win much more than females
2:42 but its funny
so essentially they need their own league because they would otherwise get shit on by the male pros.
Exactly and the rest of the explanation is just cope.
@@nightboot6194 nah. You can cope though. 😂😂
@@nightboot6194 Also, stop using cope. That shit lame as hell. 😂😂
@@jeffthealpacaisyourdad385 u r coping
ooor maybe the women are just worse
So what happens if some random dude identified as a woman??????
Loophole detected. Feminist brain short circuiting.
Lmfao I'm dying
cuz men r better
so its basically like womens football where they get paid more for performing less?
it's all great until some guy show up pretending to be a woman and ruin everything.
They already have trans pros in game changers. It doesn’t change much
@@xxcridonxx7614 doesnt change much because they werent that great to begin with.
@@xxcridonxx7614 Mid level guys being able to compete against top level women? The semi finals had 4 teams with 2 trans players on 2 of those teams. The finals had one trans player, thankfully they lost.
No, the women arent as good as the men. Simple as that. you just said it in the vid. they cant even compeete with the Tier2 male teams.