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I was going to bring this up like. Ok yes exploits that grant you with advantage is like, yeah doubtful, BUT if you have the chance you'll do it and ngl i would too!! so not the whole blame on them but on the development like. If it lets me put the cam there for example I think is right to use!
@@geo4716funny cos riot told them they cant do that specifically. Like there a picture book with not to do that. Also op you get it wrong. Riot is fixing more bug for player more than pro player cos if not book of exploit wouldnt exist.
The funny and baffling thing is, they have a 40 pages book about every exploit in every map. THEY know about them, just don't want to fix them, then they force people to read their book. This company is just trash
punishing for use of exploits is the dumbest thing in esports, the only one who can know the itentions of a dev is the dev himself, there are many techniques that where born by players and were never intended to be used the way they are, using an unknow exploit in a tournament is just part of the player knolegde of a map/game
It takes time to review, develop and test these changes. And, of course tournament happens before bug patches. That's why there was a rule placed to avoid exploiting these bugs. An accidental placement of these exploits just shows a memory that the player plays those "normally" in ranked games, normal or scrims.
To provide some insight on the first 2 clips from my time as a collegiate Valorant coach: the VCT rule book does specifically list a LOT of banned plays on maps, something like 30-40 pages with multiple maps per page. Some are as mundane as placing Killjoy mollies in the rubbish on the ground in Bind’s hookah, or using Jett’s float passive to jump onto the box on Haven’s C site. The team’s coach and/or manager is responsible for reading this rule book and enforcing it for their players, if you don’t have a good coach or they just didn’t memorize all 40 pages of exploits, it’s entirely possible to think throwing a Molly between boxes or a cam in a certain spot is okay when you’ve been using it in comp games, scrims, seeing it on UA-cam, etc for months. Numerous times I’d see an opponent player use one of the mundane banned “exploits” and we’d say something in chat like “hey, just a heads up, the ability you used in this location is against the VCT rule book” and the enemy team would stop and thank us for being mature with letting them know. It’s very common for something like this to be done on accident, not many coaches memorize the rule book to the extent they should.
I don't get it. This is a video game, aka software. Are these exploits impossible to fix or does Riot not have software engineers? If they can come up with such a long list of known exploits in the rules they should be able to fix them in the game as well. Having the game programmed in one way and then saying people can't use it seems crazy to me. Learning a game is hard enough. Learning a game and then having to unlearn it (without the game telling you what is or isn't an exploit) is way more annoying.
@@BrotherCheng It comes down to 2 things. 1: Fixing bugs doesn't make money, but does cost money, as a company it's a low priority for this reason. 2: Some bugs can be genuinely difficult to fix. Take for example the rubbish on Bind's hookah, you don't want the rubbish to have collision as that would mess with people's aim. If it doesn't have collision then people can place things inside of it. Riot after around 1-2 years eventually made the rubbish solid to utility, but nonsolid to players, which works perfectly, but it is likely marginally more work on map makers' behalf and we get into point 1.
@@16jms dev/software engineer here. It comes down to cost and complexity in coding. I wish I could say "just fix this/that" but in reality coding isn't like that. Although I've never worked directly with game engines, I've been told that they're more complex than just regular "languages" as you have to worry about so many different elements when it comes to developing games both coding and in a virtual space. Cost vs time is another big factor. Why waste so much money on fixing such a minor thing when you can literally just give out a handbook to HOPE that players won't break those rules. Yes I understand, it is frustrating that all of this is due to poor developing/coding however it is also on the players' part to respect the rules.
but riot isn't some rookie company that still trying to find its way in the gaming industry, right? it's a big company with a big budget + this is a worldwide tournaments we're talking about here, i's not local or just an online friendly tournament, this is global competitions with money on stake, so fixing these bugs before any major tournament should be a priority @@SilencePandaa
It's because they might know or be in contact with people who are also regularly involved in such activities and still manage to evade the riot games anticheat system.
Because they can get away with it. They just make stupid mistakes and get caught. Just look at the CS:GO cheating scandals. Granted, the anti-cheat is worse by a lot, but people were able to cheat on LANs and mostly get away with it.
I dont think the g2 comms one was bad, The coach was celebrating the win AFTER he got the kills, The round was over anyways, all he had to do was defuse, no way the game restricts their pro players to having 0 hype mid tournament, plus whats a coach gonna do in that situation? HEs spectacting a POV he only knows what the player sees? Kinda BS that he got in trouble for that
if I'm hosting a tournament and I tell you something is cheating then it is cheating no matter what lol. If I host a valorant tournament and I tell you that if jett players use their smokes it counts as cheating, then it is cheating no matter what lol. this isnt about whether riot fixes the bugs or not, its simply about following the rules and not doing what you are told not to do. they can have 100 bugs in a map but if they say you cant use them, then you cant use them, simple as that.
@@AM-jc3wdIf someone gave you 40 pages worth of spots and exploits would you memorize them all? If you then had to explain every single one of them to 5 different players and make sure THEY memorize every single one of them, would you be able to do that? Along with the pressure of being in an international level game and competing for tens of thousands of dollars. Yep. Seems simple doesn't it? It's completely on Riot. And don't even get me started on the second clip. The KJ didn't even use the molly.
@@mpgodjr those are things that you are agreeing to do when you enter the competition lol it’s entirely on the teams. If they can’t do that then don’t enter the tournaments, its that simple. Bro wants the teams to be spoon fed at this point 😭😭
@@AM-jc3wdnah that cam was normal af. How are 1 way smokes allowed but not a cam that is able to be placed in a spot that can be gotten to legitly? Riot should fix their textures instead of telling teams how to play.
@@Infernos94 its their rules lol they choose what is allowed and what is not, if you don’t like it then don’t play in their tournaments and make your own lol
The cam exploit was 1000% accidental. This was a very, very common cam placement in ranked (since this spot always existed). The VCT rulebook is giant, it's impossible to know every single bug in every single map.
That last topic reminds me of a small Valorant Tournament hosted by a club in my uni a few months ago. Wasn’t a high stake tournament either, students of all ranks from iron to immo participated in the tournament for fun. Funny thing was that on Day 1, this specific player was playing like a literal ape then immediately had godlike aim and game sense on Day 2. It was revealed that bro had another player played on his acc as his ping was around 50 on Day 1 and 10 on Day 2. Dude and his team was banned from the tournament afterwards.
Exploits shouldn't count imo... Maybe Riot should've fixed the bug or given them a warning after they get caught live during a match. As a developer, it is not fair to be blaming a user for your own fucking mistake unless they were actually trying to break/hack the software.
But it is in a competitive setting where it is expected that individuals act with at least some degree of integrity and not try to do anything that is unbeatable.
but its a tournament with money on the line, u are expected to act with integrity. In an online match u can use an exploit all u want, most of the time u wont get banned. this is a tournament with rules, and if they tell u to not do something, u should be smart enough not to do it. It is not always riots fault. Although if they ban someone in an online game for using it I think ur argument applies.
Maybe they should fix their game then if it's so serious. Doesn't seem like adding some sorta barrier to these out of bounds areas would be too hard@@edwardlu3485
thats what i was going to say! like homeboy actively comms during the match and helped his team. the other we aren't 100% sure but only celebrated at the end of a round. like if he didn't help the match not such a big deal unlike steele or whatever his dumb name is
@gidgettv1591 Imo celebrating with your team isn't cheating, he didn't give them any info, just screamed with them on comms. Meanwhile, T1 actively screaming help sewers 😂
2 high school teams in Ohio were playing in the regular spring season for EsportsOhio and one of the teams had someone who was caught using a VPN or something else because they didn't want to play at their school (One of the rules is to play at your school). The real reason was never known but the team I believed had to forfeit.
I've seen the pricing of 2 cheats before - yes, we're talking about a lot more for even 30d of access. This was probably about flexing and not the money
As a 3D artist, it’s fking easy to fix a bug like that furia ice box, or even cypher cam on breeze! It’s not a programming bug, it’s a placement problem, which could be fixed in a minute!
for the kj icebox molly yes, the cypher cam you are completely wrong. It was a bug with how valorant loads textures, from the playable area (where players can move around in) the awning had no gap between it and the building, but from the unplayable area (cypher cam) the texture didnt load for etiher part of the awning or part of the building, allowing the cam to see through it. This has to do with resource management and nothing to do with 3D objects in the sense you are referring to
@@kingderpington6082 I’m not sure if you’re familiar with textures and objects or even 3D world, and how they work! We have different types of texturing, one is alpha textures, which localised textures invisibility, so you can see through an object masking a projected picture of a texture! For example, tree branches in games like pubg, those branches and leafs aren’t different objects, they’re pictures of branches and leafs projecting via an alpha channel on a solid plane, that’s why when you land on a tree on those games, it doesn’t feel like you landed on branches, or even when you shoot them, bullets don’t go through tree branches/leafs… so, I assuming, they’re using something like that there in breeze… however, loading textures doesn’t really have anything to do with problems like that (if you use a diffuse channel) since 3D objects are solid, if a texture doesn’t load properly, it shouldn’t give a see through, it gives you a solid object with no texture on it! Like a cube, or plane! Again I was responding to lil bro “Tarik” which said that it’s hard to fix maybe, which it isn’t! And maybe, maybe you are right, however, game runs in unreal engine, if textures don’t load as they suppose to, it’s the engine problem! But you might be right, you might know something that I have no clue about!
Yeah, its kind of insulting how Nomsenpai only gets a 36 month ban when there's undeniable evidence but there's been people perma banned when they weren't even cheating just because they had a driver or software that wasn't whitelisted by Vanguard.
Hi, someone who has works on VCT titles with Riot on the admin side :), for 11:30 , Coaches have to be observed and recorded by an admin (like myself) to be submitted to Riot to prevent this. Sometimes we can see coaches dead quiet but can't help but cheer or try to hype them up with a nice! That being said, they are always issued a warning instead of a full penalty. That is why the first is a loss penalty, whereas the second is just an official warning, especially since there was only explicit proof for the first. Hope that clears anything up!
As a brazilian who also plays valorant, I can confirm cheating is very very heavy. Once a dude in my team asked if he could cheat because the other team was cheating (as if that would make it ok). It gets me so damn angry. And also, there are a lot of children playing. A LOT. Most of them use cheats.
It's why I hated seeing Brazilians in Free to Play games. There was a strong chance that they were in a net cafe with cheats already preloaded into it.
@@sonwayd5540 eu sou ruim mesmo kkkkkkk mas a partida terminou várias vezes abruptamente por causa dessas merdas. E olha que eu nunca joguei as mais sérias (porque sou ruim demais pra isso kkkkkkkkkkkk)
Steel's really trash. He was a cheater in cs then cheater in valo. Then he has the audacity to tweet like that? Something's wrong with that guy's head.
I like how they included the last one just because it's so funny to go from pro tournaments to a $50 cash prize high school tournament and calling it a big scandal
The malibu picture is actually so obvious AI lmao, if that was a real person I would be impressed because most ai generated faces are extremely alike with that one.
best part is the 6 experts and referees they had watching the game along with 8 casters in various langugages along with 5 players and 4 coaches of the opposite team that all missed the exploit
The funny story: when the game on Breeze was replayed, Acend started the game with a 7 point lead, based on the amount of rounds that VK used the cam (even if Acend didn't played that bomb site) and almost lost again. Brazil got shafted that year, bad times.
@kaiba8954 Its Riot doing Riot things. They even had "experts" on site watching the game to prevent cheats and exploits. Everybody, including the experts, saw the camera being used. No one, not even the experts, realized it was exploit. It was only announced after the game.
I think once an exploit survives 1 update it shouldn’t be punishable to use it cause at that point it’s riot who are okay with the exploit being in the game
@@Mark-xk3hh Riot owns the software. It's not like they don't have the ability to patch such "exploits" out. Having the software work one way and then having a giant set of rules about what is not ok to use is massively confusing, and someone can simply have misremembered what is or isn't an exploit. Having the ability to keep the entire list of banned exploits in your head isn't a skill I want to see in competitive video games.
@@BrotherCheng not only were the exploits explicitly stated in the rules for each tournament, how does one "misremember" that an unbreakable kj molly or cypher cam is not an exploit? If you're in the most prestigious tournament of the entire game and you use obvious exploits like that, you know exactly what you're doing. You can't argue it's "Riot's fault for not instantly patching it" when its common sense to not literally cheat in a tournament especially when its banned in the tournament rules LMAO
@@Vipa567 you guys have some really dumb and broken moral compasses. if you know youre cheating, you know youre cheating. why try to blame someone else for your malicious actions? play with fire, get burned. you deserve whatever you get if you're going to use obvious exploits, its not that difficult
Someone probably already mentioned it but, another scandal( it was a long time ago but ill try my best) was g2 jett player(keloqz) using a banned jump glitch to get on top of c site gen with out updraft which caused them to lose a map veto, i believe this was during challengers idk what year.
The Malibu incident is so funny and then "she or he" uses the trans get out of jail card. Actually comedic and takes away from their own community gotta love it.
@@jaya12199 huh? I don't really understand what you are saying, but the cheating is terrible. I'm mainly speaking on whatever excuse Malibu is using. It only causes further denigration of the trans community she is supposedly a part of.
To me is crazy how players get penalized because riot games just don't fix their codes or re-adjust maps. How do you expect for a game to be 100% when you got exploit in the game for weeks and don't fix it.
Because riot already told them they cant do that? You saying that like fixing bug is freaking easy which I guess is normal for consumer to asume. Most think you could just throw money and it would be fixed.
If the bug was new, sure. But this and so much more bugs have been around for so long that it's stupid to think that they could not fix it. Remember that riot games isn't a small indie game, they are a massive video game company with multiple offices around the globe. It's not as if they handle 200 fucking game titles
@@nabkill0134riot can tell they on the exact time that they used one and do a chronobrack to. just let it pass and punish the people after the game have no sense
@@nabkill0134 Well, yes, that's generally how it works. They have the money but not the incentive so instead they create infractions for using, intentional or not, the bugs in the game. If this was 15-20 years ago, strategies & counter-strategies would be developed around these bugs and a savvy map creator would decompile, fix and make the maps have even better visual clarity for the competitive scene. This is exactly what happened with Team Fortress, Counter-Strike and Quake competitive scenes and they did it *for free*. Unless the issue is very egregious and provides an unfair advantage, like the infamous Olof spot on an old iteration of Overpass in CSGO, everything else should be fair game.
So, this is by chronological order right. Cz we went so high up to GC tournaments, all the way down to school tournaments. It felt like crashing a car into a lake and slowly sinking
the first 2 are not borderline. if the rules say "you can't do x" and you do x, then either you've known it was illegal or, if you do it 'accidentally', then you didn't read the rules and that's not an excuse for breaking them either.
I disagree these are obviously riot games being bad at their jobs and not fixing these exploits "they probably havent found a way to fix it" is a shit excuse for this. They can just make it so that the camera doesnt stick there or there are no boxes there simple quick fixes or they can also go the "extra mile" and make it so that the camera is visible to the other team and the boxes are actually a solid object that doesnt let stuff go through it. But obviously instead of putting in the effort to fix it and make it balanced they just say its banned. I have never heard of this types of shit being a problem in CS.
if a glitch has been in the game for more than a month I would side with that its fair game unless it causes internet issues or frame drops. Unless it is openly told to everyone clearly that its not allowed. For the cypher camera case, the rule book better show which cameras are not allowed and have an image of the camera location in game or something.
I really dont understand the cheat hammer landing on players that used an "exploit" that was present in the game and not patched. How is that "cheating"? The bug is there in the game for ANY team to use. I dont play this game so could someone explain that Cypher camera thing?
They have a special rule book with exploits taht are prohibited. Not all exploits are disallowed. Cypher cam can spot enemies, but while sypher usus, it becomes visible while not using its hidden in invis), but it was placed that way,so ene,y team couldnt see it at all. And this is know place and is ruled out in the book.
you say "exploit" as if it not and exploit when it clearly is an exploit. ya riot should fix it, also PRO players and put on a high expectation, if you can't read the rules for X amount of money then don't play. exploiting is cheating, simple as that. sorry that your dense brain can comprehend that. feel bad for you kiddo
What I don't understand is that valorants cheating detection software still isn't able to identify every single cheat. People were furious about the software being so intrusive on your system but in the end accepted it due to riot saying they have to do it to ensure there won't be cheaters. Somehow there are still cheaters...
Their software isn't infallible and they directly challenged the hacker community by announcing that their anti-cheat was impenetrable. No one should be surprised that it was.
there are very few cheaters. The livestreams I've seen were all fake (obv. prerecorded and spliced together), the 2 times I encountered a cheater they were banned before the match ended. And, people are going to extreme lengths to cheat in Valorant. 2 Methods I'm aware of (idk 'bout the 2024 state, I don't cheats, I read about it because the tech is interesting): - A cheat that runs at ring 0 (kernel level). - The other is DMA (DirectMemoryAccess), using a device to tamper with memory contents while the game is running, the cheat running on a 2nd PC. At this point, just sell your PC and go outside, jesus christ.
most of the silly "expoits" should've been fixed by riot LONG before the competition. the killjoy molly being in the rulebook mean they're well aware of the issue, and could've redesigned the box instead of saying "ok so we effed up the map, but you can't use that."
A lot of bug and exploit abuse arguements are "why don't you fix it," and while I agree they should, there are explicit rules against unsportsmanlike conduct like abusing it. Love seeing players get penalized for abuse
As a non valorant and a dota player the first video glitch where cypher cam cant be seen or hit? thats not against the rules its your fault RIOT for not fixing it. See we even have scenes like this in dota called the fountain hook, valve just fix it after the game because every team could have done that, but Na'vi found it first and abuse it before its fixed, same goes for the cypher, you shoulve just let them take the W and fix your mistakes after the game instead of disqualifying hard working players who grind every day for that tournament
idk why riot cant just patch bugs or accept theyre there instead of having dozens of people memorize 50 pages of rules that theyll probably forget in the heat of the moment due to muscle memory
@@felixchiang But it's a professional tournament, meaning there will and should be rules and regulations to give both teams an equal chance of winning, that means taking down exploits
@@m31i0n7 What about the negative bugs that happen on occasion that hurt the player playing that champ? There were cases at least in LoL where such bugs happened and hurt a specific player or team and riot just acknowledged the game as is. If one doesn't matter the other shouldn't matter either or riot should just fix them or ban the champions affected in general. It's on riot to keep things reasonable not on the players, at least in the cases where the games are at fault.
TSM Vs T1 was iconic. The chat was actually shown on screen during the game too but it weren't visible but you can hear the tune of a chat happening. Because hosts weren't narrating you were just watching the match like as if it was streamed on discord-like. So it was just quiet and the only thing thats coming out are just call outs from their characters only. After the first map finished, everyone was waiting for almost an hour for map 2 till TSM tweeted what happened.
I really can‘t with those stupid comments.. Ofc its Riot fault with the exploit, still it was in the rules and they knew it. Actively ignoring the rules to have a huge advantage is just unsportsmanlike. They did the right thing
I'm happy about one thing tho. All these cheaters and stuff, are not straight up using cheats or hacks like aim assist, wall hacks etc which can't be said for games like COD, absolute abbhorrent state. Their anti cheat is so bad at detecting these stuff. On top of that, lots of streamers and teams like faze, that they support, are always mixed a b s o l u t e g a r b a g e humans. Then they give preferrential treatement to these streamers, giving them easy lobbies, in the circle, it's called being whitelisted. Not only that even big streamers like timthetatman has said this on camera, that they're given bot lobbies, ofc he doesn't like that. And it's clear as day, lots of these streamers use hacks & cheats as well. Then they invite these same streamers and just give them free passes to the finals of the tournaments they host, absolutely crazy. But yeah as far as favouritism goes, that's almost impossible to cure, for that we'll have to take the corruption out of h u m a n b l o o d , who thinks that is possible? So the critcism there is valid, like not giving some of these players the right punishments. But trust me when I say, these rare cases are nothing when compared to m a s s h y s t e r i a in games like cod. And I'm not doing this whole who's the worst in this case, but just trust me, when I say this is nowhere near bad as what is out there.
only at 2:20, but the ruling of "forfeit the rounds where an exploit was used" seems like a pretty bad one. In a game where ult advantage, team economy, and equipment persists between rounds, it may only take 1 single round of unfair advantage to swing a whole map in favor of a team. I guess it didn't matter in this one instance, but that punishment doesn't seem like it sufficiently addresses the advantage you can gain. That said, I think forced replay is a better solution, like when Fnatic used the famous Overpass boost in CS:GO (though iirc Fnatic chose to forfeit after the ruling)
Funny how half of these “cheats” were things that should’ve been fixed way before. Move the box, remove the texture entirely and shit like that. 2 seconds and the problem is solved 💀
Right? That cypher cam one is so baffling to me. It's literally a map texture bug and riot DQ'd VK because their game was made poorly, like man fix your game.
@@AchiIIIiesit is. It’s not like if you move a box everything will be okay. That box has it’s own hitbox that’s why when you throw something on it, that thing will bounce. Now if you remove it, the wall on that rafters should also have it’s own hitbox, hinting of another programming codes in progress. Bud, if it’s easy as you say it is, then why can’t the people who developed it do it fast? I dunno? Maybe it’s harder or something?
My brain is melting.. First dude can't pronounce controversy and then he says women and other genders...There is no such thing. Everyone is eligible to play, it's just if you are not good enough you don't get to. If there was a girl that was as good or better, no one would say they can't play. And the other gender part just doesn't exist anyway so there is that.
i love dsg and i was so disappointed when I saw toast's tweet on how much he spent but couldn't be compensated for after finding out that malibu was cheating
Anything that goes out of it's way to only have "marginalized groups" are doomed to fail. It is not what the person is that fucking matters, it's the skill, and clearly they had none
JHow's case was different the game had a bug that riot never addressed so he used it. Much like Fnatic's Overpass discovering a spot where they could see everyone on the other team.
An easy fix for that camera exploit I think would just be to remove that awning. It’s not like anyone can get up there and there aren’t any abilities that would be thrown there. Just seems like decoration that is easily removable
I guess you could argue that for known exploits. But exploits have a blanket ban BECAUSE pro teams used to spend months trying to find exploits. A pretty well known case is the Olofboost in CSGO. There was no way for Valve to patch something they weren't even aware of, and if they hadn't of had the ban on using exploits and glitchspots Fnatic would've won.
nah people think fixing a bug is like 2-3 hours of time ,nah nah, as a dev for mobile apps, I can say its not that simple, for any bug to be fixed it has to go through sprint planning -> qa retesting and steps to reproduce -> dev having bandwidth to pick it up(issues will be picked up by priority) -> fix -> qa -> regression testing -> released in patch its not as simple as just fix it , Devs are almost short staffed and priorities are not set up by dev's...And i can say it is much more complex for Games...
for me, as long as its not using a program to alter your game is not considered cheating, using bugs and tricks are not cheating because its counted as feature developer give to us. even tho i didnt play valo but its count in other game too like r6,dota,etc. knowing a bug before everyone else are considered a skills too for me.
I feel like any 'exploit' like the Fnatic overpass boost or that Cypher cam shouldn't be cheating. It's creative use of game mechanics, leaving it open to players puts a high skill ceiling for people who invest more time, effort and are more creative and intelligent. Valorant has a really strict ruleset already locking each player into an agent with specific abilities that have little variation or creative use beyond exactly what they're designed to do. Stuff like that should be praised as a skill issue tbh, if someone can out aim you and it's a skill issue then why is out braining someone exploiting? dumb game for dumb people unfortunately (including me) but 100% agree this is on riot, if they want to have a 1 way possible to use then that's on them.
Using an exploit you know for a fact is disallowed specifically in the rules isn't borderline. Borderline is using a boost on a map to see an area and then the rest of the tournament teams and the organizer going "hey what the hell you shouldnt do that" like what happened with fnatic in csgo on overpass.
Exploit in my opinion can not be blame , It in the game, if someone has used it before then you should fix it, and it an texture issue too. Everybody will try to win for sure, as long as they dont use cheat tool everything else is ok
Killjoy molly: make a copy model, adjust set model to be slightly wider than before and done.. Cypher cam: fixed by simple removing the "hitbox" used to place the cam and done... wow so hard, this is done in many and i mean MANY other games so yes it is very easy to fix riot are being extremly lazy about alot of these issues that would take maybe a few hours to fix
@@ThePingomartin It's the rigid body that affects the game, not the model. The model is only what you can see, not how objects interact physically. While most game companies build their own physical environment, adjusting just a little in the parameter of an object could affect a lot of things regarding physical operation. While adjusting the parameter, they will also have to adjust its weight, physical resistance, bend resistance, appearance, UV maps (which affect how we see the molly, a small chance will lead to completely redoing the UV), geometry,... So, to sum up, the idea may sound easy, but the process to do that is pretty complicated even for a quite simple-looking game like this one. That's why to us programmers, testers, and QA, and QC departments are like enemies since they also bring a lot of work. This information is only based on what I know about 3D (which I'm still learning), coding, and the process of testing and fixing a problem regarding apps or game development. I may make a mistake somewhere, but I still believe that fixing a bug or exploit is not as easy as it may seem.
@@ThePingomartin Yes. Riot is a big company, and is paid by a wealthy Tencent, so it's hard to imagine thry can't fix these exploits. So the true reason may be because they don't want to fix.
i dont think exploiting bugs should be considered cheating. If someone finds a bug and riot (a massive company) doesnt fix it in time, it's their fault. Not the players. All players are able to use the exploit so... why and how is it unfair? it just makes the game even more interesting. Riot needs to stop running form responsibilities and taking ages to fix bugs and banning players form using it instead.
In my opinion, bug abuses are not cheating. If the tournament organizers haven't actually banned the use of the bug beforehand, then they shouldn't punish teams and players for using it. Classic example was the Fountain Hook in Dota 2 back in TI3. That was a bug that the game developers failed to fix, and players shouldn't be punished for using a mechanic that is in the actual game. If everyone wants a fair match, then they should just have a gentleman's agreement.
People act like devs can magically fix any given bug in a second. Some bugs are complicated because the most random bit of code can cause the bug. You can't just look at the code and just flip some variables around and poof. Fixed. With that said, I think any decent organizer worth their salt should specifically state which given "exploit" is bad to use in an event (like the ones mentioned in this video). Those people used said exploits, and thus their teams were rightfully punished.
I am gonna be honest but Nomsenpai's aimbot wasn't much detectable because good players would prefire the angles when they fight another enemy expecting a peek off contact
Last week, someone submitted a fake copyright claim against this video impersonating "Riot Games"... if you enjoyed this video, please share, like, and comment :)
maybe because ur user has Valorant
@@haltonsalamuddin4252 Someone used a fake name, contact, and email from Riot when this video is well within fair use.
paying 20 dollars for cheats to win 10 is insane
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I assume it taint about the $10 prize but the bragging right winning a small tournament
Which is worse. Cause like "I won a inschool tournament" Like cool? I guess? @@geymseksion
game is game. but agreed its dumb as hell
SICK BURN.
Cheating for 10 dollars is absolutely baffling
10 bucks is a 10 bucks!
I'd do it for 5
Lol
@@PerumNagajayai mean they be costing like 20 for a week key
Game Is game 😂😂
cheating or exploit is bad, but man riots never fix the bug when it needed to but only fixed it when its being exploit at tournament.
I was going to bring this up like. Ok yes exploits that grant you with advantage is like, yeah doubtful, BUT if you have the chance you'll do it and ngl i would too!! so not the whole blame on them but on the development like. If it lets me put the cam there for example I think is right to use!
@@geo4716funny cos riot told them they cant do that specifically. Like there a picture book with not to do that. Also op you get it wrong. Riot is fixing more bug for player more than pro player cos if not book of exploit wouldnt exist.
The funny and baffling thing is, they have a 40 pages book about every exploit in every map. THEY know about them, just don't want to fix them, then they force people to read their book. This company is just trash
punishing for use of exploits is the dumbest thing in esports, the only one who can know the itentions of a dev is the dev himself, there are many techniques that where born by players and were never intended to be used the way they are, using an unknow exploit in a tournament is just part of the player knolegde of a map/game
It takes time to review, develop and test these changes. And, of course tournament happens before bug patches. That's why there was a rule placed to avoid exploiting these bugs. An accidental placement of these exploits just shows a memory that the player plays those "normally" in ranked games, normal or scrims.
"for his share... of 10 dollars" 😭😭
Ahh yes paying $50 to win $10 in your school tournament
The Malibu incident is f hilarious xD How the hell are you able to enter a tournament by sending Riot an AI generated picture and then cheat in it too
whats funny is in my language malibu means literally "cheater" , what a coincidence.
To provide some insight on the first 2 clips from my time as a collegiate Valorant coach: the VCT rule book does specifically list a LOT of banned plays on maps, something like 30-40 pages with multiple maps per page. Some are as mundane as placing Killjoy mollies in the rubbish on the ground in Bind’s hookah, or using Jett’s float passive to jump onto the box on Haven’s C site.
The team’s coach and/or manager is responsible for reading this rule book and enforcing it for their players, if you don’t have a good coach or they just didn’t memorize all 40 pages of exploits, it’s entirely possible to think throwing a Molly between boxes or a cam in a certain spot is okay when you’ve been using it in comp games, scrims, seeing it on UA-cam, etc for months.
Numerous times I’d see an opponent player use one of the mundane banned “exploits” and we’d say something in chat like “hey, just a heads up, the ability you used in this location is against the VCT rule book” and the enemy team would stop and thank us for being mature with letting them know. It’s very common for something like this to be done on accident, not many coaches memorize the rule book to the extent they should.
This is insane. RIOT clearly know about these exploits, and they decide to make coaches read 40 pages of rules instead of just FIXING THEM
I don't get it. This is a video game, aka software. Are these exploits impossible to fix or does Riot not have software engineers? If they can come up with such a long list of known exploits in the rules they should be able to fix them in the game as well. Having the game programmed in one way and then saying people can't use it seems crazy to me. Learning a game is hard enough. Learning a game and then having to unlearn it (without the game telling you what is or isn't an exploit) is way more annoying.
@@BrotherCheng It comes down to 2 things.
1: Fixing bugs doesn't make money, but does cost money, as a company it's a low priority for this reason.
2: Some bugs can be genuinely difficult to fix. Take for example the rubbish on Bind's hookah, you don't want the rubbish to have collision as that would mess with people's aim. If it doesn't have collision then people can place things inside of it. Riot after around 1-2 years eventually made the rubbish solid to utility, but nonsolid to players, which works perfectly, but it is likely marginally more work on map makers' behalf and we get into point 1.
@@16jms dev/software engineer here. It comes down to cost and complexity in coding. I wish I could say "just fix this/that" but in reality coding isn't like that. Although I've never worked directly with game engines, I've been told that they're more complex than just regular "languages" as you have to worry about so many different elements when it comes to developing games both coding and in a virtual space.
Cost vs time is another big factor. Why waste so much money on fixing such a minor thing when you can literally just give out a handbook to HOPE that players won't break those rules. Yes I understand, it is frustrating that all of this is due to poor developing/coding however it is also on the players' part to respect the rules.
but riot isn't some rookie company that still trying to find its way in the gaming industry, right? it's a big company with a big budget + this is a worldwide tournaments we're talking about here, i's not local or just an online friendly tournament, this is global competitions with money on stake, so fixing these bugs before any major tournament should be a priority @@SilencePandaa
It's crazy how people think "they won't notice" or "it'll be fine, relax" and then get caught and punished for it.
It's because they might know or be in contact with people who are also regularly involved in such activities and still manage to evade the riot games anticheat system.
Because they can get away with it. They just make stupid mistakes and get caught. Just look at the CS:GO cheating scandals. Granted, the anti-cheat is worse by a lot, but people were able to cheat on LANs and mostly get away with it.
I dont think the g2 comms one was bad, The coach was celebrating the win AFTER he got the kills, The round was over anyways, all he had to do was defuse, no way the game restricts their pro players to having 0 hype mid tournament, plus whats a coach gonna do in that situation? HEs spectacting a POV he only knows what the player sees? Kinda BS that he got in trouble for that
Dont forget about survivor bias.
You should look that up but with Cops.
"Cheating" for a bug that Riot didn't fix? How illogical.
if I'm hosting a tournament and I tell you something is cheating then it is cheating no matter what lol. If I host a valorant tournament and I tell you that if jett players use their smokes it counts as cheating, then it is cheating no matter what lol. this isnt about whether riot fixes the bugs or not, its simply about following the rules and not doing what you are told not to do. they can have 100 bugs in a map but if they say you cant use them, then you cant use them, simple as that.
@@AM-jc3wdIf someone gave you 40 pages worth of spots and exploits would you memorize them all? If you then had to explain every single one of them to 5 different players and make sure THEY memorize every single one of them, would you be able to do that? Along with the pressure of being in an international level game and competing for tens of thousands of dollars. Yep. Seems simple doesn't it? It's completely on Riot. And don't even get me started on the second clip. The KJ didn't even use the molly.
@@mpgodjr those are things that you are agreeing to do when you enter the competition lol it’s entirely on the teams. If they can’t do that then don’t enter the tournaments, its that simple. Bro wants the teams to be spoon fed at this point 😭😭
@@AM-jc3wdnah that cam was normal af. How are 1 way smokes allowed but not a cam that is able to be placed in a spot that can be gotten to legitly? Riot should fix their textures instead of telling teams how to play.
@@Infernos94 its their rules lol they choose what is allowed and what is not, if you don’t like it then don’t play in their tournaments and make your own lol
The cam exploit was 1000% accidental. This was a very, very common cam placement in ranked (since this spot always existed). The VCT rulebook is giant, it's impossible to know every single bug in every single map.
Womp womp
it's clearly the developers fault for not fixing that "known" bug and it making it into the official tournaments lmao... Such crybaby of a community.
@@user-tb2vc2sl1q womp womp should be on developers imo. Gladly I don't play sh*t, but I'm wondering how many unfixed bugs are they "fixing" by rules
@@_zaiinu womp womp
womp womp
That last topic reminds me of a small Valorant Tournament hosted by a club in my uni a few months ago. Wasn’t a high stake tournament either, students of all ranks from iron to immo participated in the tournament for fun.
Funny thing was that on Day 1, this specific player was playing like a literal ape then immediately had godlike aim and game sense on Day 2.
It was revealed that bro had another player played on his acc as his ping was around 50 on Day 1 and 10 on Day 2. Dude and his team was banned from the tournament afterwards.
Exploits shouldn't count imo... Maybe Riot should've fixed the bug or given them a warning after they get caught live during a match. As a developer, it is not fair to be blaming a user for your own fucking mistake unless they were actually trying to break/hack the software.
But it is in a competitive setting where it is expected that individuals act with at least some degree of integrity and not try to do anything that is unbeatable.
but its a tournament with money on the line, u are expected to act with integrity. In an online match u can use an exploit all u want, most of the time u wont get banned. this is a tournament with rules, and if they tell u to not do something, u should be smart enough not to do it. It is not always riots fault. Although if they ban someone in an online game for using it I think ur argument applies.
They give them warning before every match so no they already do.
Maybe they should fix their game then if it's so serious. Doesn't seem like adding some sorta barrier to these out of bounds areas would be too hard@@edwardlu3485
I agree they took the laziest path by throwing the blame onto the players instead of fixing it
I can see why gg got a warning, the coach unmuted and celebrated while T1's coach told them to help on a location.
thats what i was going to say! like homeboy actively comms during the match and helped his team. the other we aren't 100% sure but only celebrated at the end of a round. like if he didn't help the match not such a big deal unlike steele or whatever his dumb name is
@gidgettv1591 Imo celebrating with your team isn't cheating, he didn't give them any info, just screamed with them on comms. Meanwhile, T1 actively screaming help sewers 😂
2 high school teams in Ohio were playing in the regular spring season for EsportsOhio and one of the teams had someone who was caught using a VPN or something else because they didn't want to play at their school (One of the rules is to play at your school). The real reason was never known but the team I believed had to forfeit.
Cheats probably cost more than 10 bucks so you're not even winning anything 😂😂😂
He probably already had it and thought to himself "why not use it" and might give him chance to flex before the world
I've seen the pricing of 2 cheats before - yes, we're talking about a lot more for even 30d of access. This was probably about flexing and not the money
As a 3D artist, it’s fking easy to fix a bug like that furia ice box, or even cypher cam on breeze! It’s not a programming bug, it’s a placement problem, which could be fixed in a minute!
It probably takes longer to write the rulebook than to fix the bugs... but Riot is just really inconsistent with their ruling and it is frustrating.
for the kj icebox molly yes, the cypher cam you are completely wrong. It was a bug with how valorant loads textures, from the playable area (where players can move around in) the awning had no gap between it and the building, but from the unplayable area (cypher cam) the texture didnt load for etiher part of the awning or part of the building, allowing the cam to see through it. This has to do with resource management and nothing to do with 3D objects in the sense you are referring to
@@kingderpington6082 I’m not sure if you’re familiar with textures and objects or even 3D world, and how they work! We have different types of texturing, one is alpha textures, which localised textures invisibility, so you can see through an object masking a projected picture of a texture! For example, tree branches in games like pubg, those branches and leafs aren’t different objects, they’re pictures of branches and leafs projecting via an alpha channel on a solid plane, that’s why when you land on a tree on those games, it doesn’t feel like you landed on branches, or even when you shoot them, bullets don’t go through tree branches/leafs… so, I assuming, they’re using something like that there in breeze… however, loading textures doesn’t really have anything to do with problems like that (if you use a diffuse channel) since 3D objects are solid, if a texture doesn’t load properly, it shouldn’t give a see through, it gives you a solid object with no texture on it! Like a cube, or plane!
Again I was responding to lil bro “Tarik” which said that it’s hard to fix maybe, which it isn’t! And maybe, maybe you are right, however, game runs in unreal engine, if textures don’t load as they suppose to, it’s the engine problem! But you might be right, you might know something that I have no clue about!
riot issa small indie company, they dont have the money nor the capacity to fix such a huuuuge bug ;)) @@alphatwink
@@kingderpington6082 There isn't any need for that awning in the first place. Do you have any idea how easy it is to remove it?
I don't understand why cheaters in champions get lighter sentence than cheaters in normal lobbies, doesn't make any sense
tbh if you get banned by Valorant anticheat you should never be allowed to play in Riot esports.
Yeah, its kind of insulting how Nomsenpai only gets a 36 month ban when there's undeniable evidence but there's been people perma banned when they weren't even cheating just because they had a driver or software that wasn't whitelisted by Vanguard.
people get banned by anticheat wrongly though
Yup
100%
Hi, someone who has works on VCT titles with Riot on the admin side :), for 11:30 , Coaches have to be observed and recorded by an admin (like myself) to be submitted to Riot to prevent this. Sometimes we can see coaches dead quiet but can't help but cheer or try to hype them up with a nice! That being said, they are always issued a warning instead of a full penalty. That is why the first is a loss penalty, whereas the second is just an official warning, especially since there was only explicit proof for the first. Hope that clears anything up!
Yo give me a riot gun buddy 😂😂
As a brazilian who also plays valorant, I can confirm cheating is very very heavy. Once a dude in my team asked if he could cheat because the other team was cheating (as if that would make it ok). It gets me so damn angry. And also, there are a lot of children playing. A LOT. Most of them use cheats.
@@DioBrando-yc5ry some of them get it for free, and some of them buy it with their parents' money
It's why I hated seeing Brazilians in Free to Play games. There was a strong chance that they were in a net cafe with cheats already preloaded into it.
@@MoleculeXmolecule sadly, i very much agree with you
provavelmente o cara do outro lado era bom e vcs tavam chorando kkkkkkkk acontece bastante também, principalmente no lol elo, que deve ser o caso
@@sonwayd5540 eu sou ruim mesmo kkkkkkk mas a partida terminou várias vezes abruptamente por causa dessas merdas. E olha que eu nunca joguei as mais sérias (porque sou ruim demais pra isso kkkkkkkkkkkk)
Steel's really trash. He was a cheater in cs then cheater in valo. Then he has the audacity to tweet like that? Something's wrong with that guy's head.
Steel wasnt a cheater tho, he just purposefully lost a match. Thats like the opposite of cheating lol
I like how they included the last one just because it's so funny to go from pro tournaments to a $50 cash prize high school tournament and calling it a big scandal
The malibu picture is actually so obvious AI lmao, if that was a real person I would be impressed because most ai generated faces are extremely alike with that one.
the first one is easily fixable on riot's side. why didn't they just fixed that exploit instead of making rules against it?
best part is the 6 experts and referees they had watching the game along with 8 casters in various langugages along with 5 players and 4 coaches of the opposite team that all missed the exploit
Life as rules so dose games because it’s there game there rules it dose not matter how people feel about it
The funny story: when the game on Breeze was replayed, Acend started the game with a 7 point lead, based on the amount of rounds that VK used the cam (even if Acend didn't played that bomb site) and almost lost again.
Brazil got shafted that year, bad times.
@kaiba8954 Its Riot doing Riot things. They even had "experts" on site watching the game to prevent cheats and exploits. Everybody, including the experts, saw the camera being used. No one, not even the experts, realized it was exploit. It was only announced after the game.
I think once an exploit survives 1 update it shouldn’t be punishable to use it cause at that point it’s riot who are okay with the exploit being in the game
why does this have 18 likes
@@Mark-xk3hh Because they're right, players shouldn't be penalized because Riot is too lazy to fix bugs.
@@Mark-xk3hh Riot owns the software. It's not like they don't have the ability to patch such "exploits" out. Having the software work one way and then having a giant set of rules about what is not ok to use is massively confusing, and someone can simply have misremembered what is or isn't an exploit. Having the ability to keep the entire list of banned exploits in your head isn't a skill I want to see in competitive video games.
@@BrotherCheng not only were the exploits explicitly stated in the rules for each tournament, how does one "misremember" that an unbreakable kj molly or cypher cam is not an exploit? If you're in the most prestigious tournament of the entire game and you use obvious exploits like that, you know exactly what you're doing. You can't argue it's "Riot's fault for not instantly patching it" when its common sense to not literally cheat in a tournament especially when its banned in the tournament rules LMAO
@@Vipa567 you guys have some really dumb and broken moral compasses. if you know youre cheating, you know youre cheating. why try to blame someone else for your malicious actions? play with fire, get burned. you deserve whatever you get if you're going to use obvious exploits, its not that difficult
Someone probably already mentioned it but, another scandal( it was a long time ago but ill try my best) was g2 jett player(keloqz) using a banned jump glitch to get on top of c site gen with out updraft which caused them to lose a map veto, i believe this was during challengers idk what year.
The Malibu incident is so funny and then "she or he" uses the trans get out of jail card. Actually comedic and takes away from their own community gotta love it.
And they say we target the so called "minority community" 😂
Its just identity problem but the skill or gameplay is not hack right?
@@jaya12199 huh? I don't really understand what you are saying, but the cheating is terrible.
I'm mainly speaking on whatever excuse Malibu is using. It only causes further denigration of the trans community she is supposedly a part of.
@@jaya12199 it's not id issue it's cheating issue & id issue
@@alexmark6580 obviously trans is a loophole for men to compete with women as they are too inferior to compete with real men
To me is crazy how players get penalized because riot games just don't fix their codes or re-adjust maps. How do you expect for a game to be 100% when you got exploit in the game for weeks and don't fix it.
Because riot already told them they cant do that? You saying that like fixing bug is freaking easy which I guess is normal for consumer to asume. Most think you could just throw money and it would be fixed.
If the bug was new, sure. But this and so much more bugs have been around for so long that it's stupid to think that they could not fix it. Remember that riot games isn't a small indie game, they are a massive video game company with multiple offices around the globe. It's not as if they handle 200 fucking game titles
@@nabkill0134riot can tell they on the exact time that they used one and do a chronobrack to. just let it pass and punish the people after the game have no sense
@@nabkill0134 i dont know man, they said the bug is just from texture colors being similar, sounds like a super easy fix to me
@@nabkill0134 Well, yes, that's generally how it works. They have the money but not the incentive so instead they create infractions for using, intentional or not, the bugs in the game. If this was 15-20 years ago, strategies & counter-strategies would be developed around these bugs and a savvy map creator would decompile, fix and make the maps have even better visual clarity for the competitive scene. This is exactly what happened with Team Fortress, Counter-Strike and Quake competitive scenes and they did it *for free*. Unless the issue is very egregious and provides an unfair advantage, like the infamous Olof spot on an old iteration of Overpass in CSGO, everything else should be fair game.
So, this is by chronological order right. Cz we went so high up to GC tournaments, all the way down to school tournaments. It felt like crashing a car into a lake and slowly sinking
the first 2 are not borderline. if the rules say "you can't do x" and you do x, then either you've known it was illegal or, if you do it 'accidentally', then you didn't read the rules and that's not an excuse for breaking them either.
I disagree these are obviously riot games being bad at their jobs and not fixing these exploits "they probably havent found a way to fix it" is a shit excuse for this. They can just make it so that the camera doesnt stick there or there are no boxes there simple quick fixes or they can also go the "extra mile" and make it so that the camera is visible to the other team and the boxes are actually a solid object that doesnt let stuff go through it. But obviously instead of putting in the effort to fix it and make it balanced they just say its banned. I have never heard of this types of shit being a problem in CS.
if a glitch has been in the game for more than a month I would side with that its fair game unless it causes internet issues or frame drops. Unless it is openly told to everyone clearly that its not allowed. For the cypher camera case, the rule book better show which cameras are not allowed and have an image of the camera location in game or something.
They don’t fix the bug so I am going to use it lol and cry when get in trouble low iq people are funny 😅 no names 😂
1:55 thats a Riot mistake in map design, not a pro player abusing glitches, but that just my opinion
I really dont understand the cheat hammer landing on players that used an "exploit" that was present in the game and not patched. How is that "cheating"? The bug is there in the game for ANY team to use. I dont play this game so could someone explain that Cypher camera thing?
It all comes to Riot for not fixing the bug and instead create a 40 page rule book about what cannot be done during the tournament.
They have a special rule book with exploits taht are prohibited. Not all exploits are disallowed.
Cypher cam can spot enemies, but while sypher usus, it becomes visible while not using its hidden in invis), but it was placed that way,so ene,y team couldnt see it at all. And this is know place and is ruled out in the book.
you say "exploit" as if it not and exploit when it clearly is an exploit. ya riot should fix it, also PRO players and put on a high expectation, if you can't read the rules for X amount of money then don't play. exploiting is cheating, simple as that. sorry that your dense brain can comprehend that. feel bad for you kiddo
They don’t fix the bug so I am going to use it lol and cry when get in trouble low iq people are funny 😅
i like how 1 guy wasn't allowed to play because he was too young but not too young to serve in the army 😂
What I don't understand is that valorants cheating detection software still isn't able to identify every single cheat. People were furious about the software being so intrusive on your system but in the end accepted it due to riot saying they have to do it to ensure there won't be cheaters. Somehow there are still cheaters...
interesting,, may i see the video of the whole game ?
Their software isn't infallible and they directly challenged the hacker community by announcing that their anti-cheat was impenetrable. No one should be surprised that it was.
there are very few cheaters.
The livestreams I've seen were all fake (obv. prerecorded and spliced together), the 2 times I encountered a cheater they were banned before the match ended.
And, people are going to extreme lengths to cheat in Valorant.
2 Methods I'm aware of (idk 'bout the 2024 state, I don't cheats, I read about it because the tech is interesting):
- A cheat that runs at ring 0 (kernel level).
- The other is DMA (DirectMemoryAccess), using a device to tamper with memory contents while the game is running, the cheat running on a 2nd PC.
At this point, just sell your PC and go outside, jesus christ.
@@itsTyrion hahaha fan boy
@@RealTaIk Are you intentionally stupid?
most of the silly "expoits" should've been fixed by riot LONG before the competition. the killjoy molly being in the rulebook mean they're well aware of the issue, and could've redesigned the box instead of saying "ok so we effed up the map, but you can't use that."
when gamers don't read the rule book because they're too busy reading twitch chat
Cypher Exploit: noob ban
m0nesy mirage window exploit: gigachad allowed
Valorant Exploit: People try to abuse it
CS Exploit: Gentlemen's Agreement (jump peek glitch)
lol
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A lot of bug and exploit abuse arguements are "why don't you fix it," and while I agree they should, there are explicit rules against unsportsmanlike conduct like abusing it. Love seeing players get penalized for abuse
As a non valorant and a dota player the first video glitch where cypher cam cant be seen or hit? thats not against the rules its your fault RIOT for not fixing it. See we even have scenes like this in dota called the fountain hook, valve just fix it after the game because every team could have done that, but Na'vi found it first and abuse it before its fixed, same goes for the cypher, you shoulve just let them take the W and fix your mistakes after the game instead of disqualifying hard working players who grind every day for that tournament
there is bug with syphers camera how to fix it?
riot : "nerfs chamber"
idk why riot cant just patch bugs or accept theyre there instead of having dozens of people memorize 50 pages of rules that theyll probably forget in the heat of the moment due to muscle memory
IKR!! if the game allows it, it should be okay!!
@@felixchiang But it's a professional tournament, meaning there will and should be rules and regulations to give both teams an equal chance of winning, that means taking down exploits
@@m31i0n7 What about the negative bugs that happen on occasion that hurt the player playing that champ? There were cases at least in LoL where such bugs happened and hurt a specific player or team and riot just acknowledged the game as is. If one doesn't matter the other shouldn't matter either or riot should just fix them or ban the champions affected in general. It's on riot to keep things reasonable not on the players, at least in the cases where the games are at fault.
TSM Vs T1 was iconic. The chat was actually shown on screen during the game too but it weren't visible but you can hear the tune of a chat happening. Because hosts weren't narrating you were just watching the match like as if it was streamed on discord-like. So it was just quiet and the only thing thats coming out are just call outs from their characters only. After the first map finished, everyone was waiting for almost an hour for map 2 till TSM tweeted what happened.
turn the music down so I can hear what your saying
That Malibu person doubling down is hilarious
I really can‘t with those stupid comments.. Ofc its Riot fault with the exploit, still it was in the rules and they knew it. Actively ignoring the rules to have a huge advantage is just unsportsmanlike. They did the right thing
Awesome video, music is sometimes a bit louder than the commentary tho
why is this video so dark
I'm happy about one thing tho. All these cheaters and stuff, are not straight up using cheats or hacks like aim assist, wall hacks etc which can't be said for games like COD, absolute abbhorrent state. Their anti cheat is so bad at detecting these stuff.
On top of that, lots of streamers and teams like faze, that they support, are always mixed a b s o l u t e g a r b a g e humans. Then they give preferrential treatement to these streamers, giving them easy lobbies, in the circle, it's called being whitelisted. Not only that even big streamers like timthetatman has said this on camera, that they're given bot lobbies, ofc he doesn't like that. And it's clear as day, lots of these streamers use hacks & cheats as well.
Then they invite these same streamers and just give them free passes to the finals of the tournaments they host, absolutely crazy.
But yeah as far as favouritism goes, that's almost impossible to cure, for that we'll have to take the corruption out of h u m a n b l o o d , who thinks that is possible? So the critcism there is valid, like not giving some of these players the right punishments.
But trust me when I say, these rare cases are nothing when compared to m a s s h y s t e r i a in games like cod. And I'm not doing this whole who's the worst in this case, but just trust me, when I say this is nowhere near bad as what is out there.
game changers became a joke when it became mostly guys that couldnt make it in vct
cheating in a $10 tournament is the lowest of low.
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only at 2:20, but the ruling of "forfeit the rounds where an exploit was used" seems like a pretty bad one. In a game where ult advantage, team economy, and equipment persists between rounds, it may only take 1 single round of unfair advantage to swing a whole map in favor of a team.
I guess it didn't matter in this one instance, but that punishment doesn't seem like it sufficiently addresses the advantage you can gain. That said, I think forced replay is a better solution, like when Fnatic used the famous Overpass boost in CS:GO (though iirc Fnatic chose to forfeit after the ruling)
Is Malibu Clara? because it seems like Clara would do go into a tournament and start hacking
Funny how half of these “cheats” were things that should’ve been fixed way before. Move the box, remove the texture entirely and shit like that. 2 seconds and the problem is solved 💀
Then why not work for riot if its that easy..lol do you know a thing or 2 about programming? Lol
It would still take a while to fix every little map bug they do fix it but they can't all the tiime
Right? That cypher cam one is so baffling to me. It's literally a map texture bug and riot DQ'd VK because their game was made poorly, like man fix your game.
@@Arjay1311 I forgot that moving a box and removing textures is programming, but go on since you know so much about 3D animation, clown
@@AchiIIIiesit is. It’s not like if you move a box everything will be okay. That box has it’s own hitbox that’s why when you throw something on it, that thing will bounce. Now if you remove it, the wall on that rafters should also have it’s own hitbox, hinting of another programming codes in progress. Bud, if it’s easy as you say it is, then why can’t the people who developed it do it fast? I dunno? Maybe it’s harder or something?
Valorant Mumbai server is a troll on RIOT's face, as majority of the players are on aimbot or walling.
Or maybe you're just bad? 20$ for cheats is a lot in India
to be honest the fact riot just didnt fix the camera exploit instead of adding a rule around it - makes it kinda stupid.......
My brain is melting.. First dude can't pronounce controversy and then he says women and other genders...There is no such thing.
Everyone is eligible to play, it's just if you are not good enough you don't get to. If there was a girl that was as good or better, no one would say they can't play.
And the other gender part just doesn't exist anyway so there is that.
Tarik saying that maybe riot doesnt know how to fix that in the second clip is silly its literally a gap close it. It wasnt too difficult.
i love dsg and i was so disappointed when I saw toast's tweet on how much he spent but couldn't be compensated for after finding out that malibu was cheating
blame the game not the player! Im using that cypher camera and how come it is illegal? once you enter half of the site that camera is visible
from what i see, why riot not fix their game before the tournament start? i mean if they fix it before, the team cant use exploit in first place.
it's expected that adults are usually smart enough not to break the rules in front of an audience while being recorded. They're not six year olds
Anything that goes out of it's way to only have "marginalized groups" are doomed to fail. It is not what the person is that fucking matters, it's the skill, and clearly they had none
JHow's case was different the game had a bug that riot never addressed so he used it. Much like Fnatic's Overpass discovering a spot where they could see everyone on the other team.
only RIOT can ban people instead of fixing the game. Best company out there by far 🤡
An easy fix for that camera exploit I think would just be to remove that awning. It’s not like anyone can get up there and there aren’t any abilities that would be thrown there. Just seems like decoration that is easily removable
all I can say is, games are nearly impossible to not get compromised of hacking/cheats
you know valorant has a good anticheat when my first reaction to the title was “in VALORANT??”
Fr lol
Valorant Anticheat is horrible lol even Radiant lobbies have cheaters
and unfair bans aswell@@leejameson8419
Better than 90% of the game out. Every game has cheaters its just that valorant has significantly less compared so other large titles.@@leejameson8419
I didn't realise DSG Steel was a cheater. I guess it makes sense how their team can't seem to win despite having all that talent.
Match fixing =/= cheating
Honestly, banning exploits is a dumb rule. Instead of banning people for using, how about you patch it before tournaments? Oh wait....this is Riot.
I guess you could argue that for known exploits. But exploits have a blanket ban BECAUSE pro teams used to spend months trying to find exploits. A pretty well known case is the Olofboost in CSGO. There was no way for Valve to patch something they weren't even aware of, and if they hadn't of had the ban on using exploits and glitchspots Fnatic would've won.
nah people think fixing a bug is like 2-3 hours of time ,nah nah, as a dev for mobile apps, I can say its not that simple, for any bug to be fixed it has to go through
sprint planning -> qa retesting and steps to reproduce -> dev having bandwidth to pick it up(issues will be picked up by priority) -> fix -> qa -> regression testing -> released in patch
its not as simple as just fix it , Devs are almost short staffed and priorities are not set up by dev's...And i can say it is much more complex for Games...
This moment reminded me exactly of the olofboost. That was iconic to witness live @@hc32313
LoL: First time?
@@dk-hv9eq they knew about that exploits for months 💀
0:27 my favorite team by far in champions 2021 Berlin was gambit. I wish they can continued their legacy if it wasn’t their unfortunate circumstances.
Okay that the camera exploit was forbidden is just stupid. At this point, if the game allows it, you should be able to do it.
Toast farming all these spicy content for view is the real cheat here.
that first one is valroants fault honestly
They don’t fix the bug so I am going to use it lol and cry when get in trouble low iq people are funny 😅
That guy said "fking aimbot" in a Riot game? His days are numbered
for me, as long as its not using a program to alter your game is not considered cheating, using bugs and tricks are not cheating because its counted as feature developer give to us.
even tho i didnt play valo but its count in other game too like r6,dota,etc. knowing a bug before everyone else are considered a skills too for me.
I feel like any 'exploit' like the Fnatic overpass boost or that Cypher cam shouldn't be cheating. It's creative use of game mechanics, leaving it open to players puts a high skill ceiling for people who invest more time, effort and are more creative and intelligent. Valorant has a really strict ruleset already locking each player into an agent with specific abilities that have little variation or creative use beyond exactly what they're designed to do. Stuff like that should be praised as a skill issue tbh, if someone can out aim you and it's a skill issue then why is out braining someone exploiting? dumb game for dumb people unfortunately (including me) but 100% agree this is on riot, if they want to have a 1 way possible to use then that's on them.
They don’t fix the bug so I am going to use it lol and cry when get in trouble low iq people are funny 😅
whats worse here is how inconsistent the rules are
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No... it's the cheating that's the worst thing
You _really_ need to lower the volume on the background music. I can barely hear you
Banning Players for the games own fault is crazy
Using an exploit you know for a fact is disallowed specifically in the rules isn't borderline. Borderline is using a boost on a map to see an area and then the rest of the tournament teams and the organizer going "hey what the hell you shouldnt do that" like what happened with fnatic in csgo on overpass.
Those players aren't shameless
Riot is shameless to list the bugs of the game to not to be done by players while they could just remove it
Its not that easy. Stop being so ignorant
I can't hear what you're saying the music is drowning your audio.
Exploit in my opinion can not be blame , It in the game, if someone has used it before then you should fix it, and it an texture issue too. Everybody will try to win for sure, as long as they dont use cheat tool everything else is ok
It's not easy to fix an exploit. Like the exploit with Killjoy's molly, a change in 3d model's parameter can affect many other parts of the game.
Killjoy molly: make a copy model, adjust set model to be slightly wider than before and done..
Cypher cam: fixed by simple removing the "hitbox" used to place the cam and done...
wow so hard, this is done in many and i mean MANY other games so yes it is very easy to fix
riot are being extremly lazy about alot of these issues that would take maybe a few hours to fix
@@ThePingomartin That is just how to fix the problem based on idea, not the whole progress. Well, they may just don't want to fix it.
@@ThePingomartin It's the rigid body that affects the game, not the model. The model is only what you can see, not how objects interact physically. While most game companies build their own physical environment, adjusting just a little in the parameter of an object could affect a lot of things regarding physical operation. While adjusting the parameter, they will also have to adjust its weight, physical resistance, bend resistance, appearance, UV maps (which affect how we see the molly, a small chance will lead to completely redoing the UV), geometry,... So, to sum up, the idea may sound easy, but the process to do that is pretty complicated even for a quite simple-looking game like this one. That's why to us programmers, testers, and QA, and QC departments are like enemies since they also bring a lot of work.
This information is only based on what I know about 3D (which I'm still learning), coding, and the process of testing and fixing a problem regarding apps or game development. I may make a mistake somewhere, but I still believe that fixing a bug or exploit is not as easy as it may seem.
@@SeventhSaturday77 fair point that being said its not hard enough to take a company like riot months to fix.
@@ThePingomartin Yes. Riot is a big company, and is paid by a wealthy Tencent, so it's hard to imagine thry can't fix these exploits. So the true reason may be because they don't want to fix.
i dont think exploiting bugs should be considered cheating. If someone finds a bug and riot (a massive company) doesnt fix it in time, it's their fault. Not the players. All players are able to use the exploit so... why and how is it unfair? it just makes the game even more interesting. Riot needs to stop running form responsibilities and taking ages to fix bugs and banning players form using it instead.
your music is way too loud
Another phenomenal video🔥🔥
4:24 Wdym not that simple? Riot is a big fkn company. It's as simple as moving the fkn collision on those box. They just SLACKING. Is what it is.
0:20 wait... but every esport or hightest level of gaming is "no-girl" cause Biological Males are dominating Every Game know.
Malibu should’ve perm band from competing professionally and hardware ID band on her PC
In my opinion, bug abuses are not cheating. If the tournament organizers haven't actually banned the use of the bug beforehand, then they shouldn't punish teams and players for using it. Classic example was the Fountain Hook in Dota 2 back in TI3. That was a bug that the game developers failed to fix, and players shouldn't be punished for using a mechanic that is in the actual game. If everyone wants a fair match, then they should just have a gentleman's agreement.
People act like devs can magically fix any given bug in a second. Some bugs are complicated because the most random bit of code can cause the bug. You can't just look at the code and just flip some variables around and poof. Fixed. With that said, I think any decent organizer worth their salt should specifically state which given "exploit" is bad to use in an event (like the ones mentioned in this video). Those people used said exploits, and thus their teams were rightfully punished.
I am gonna be honest but Nomsenpai's aimbot wasn't much detectable because good players would prefire the angles when they fight another enemy expecting a peek off contact
how is the cypher cam cheating????
The enemies can’t see/shoot the cam
it's an exploit which iirc was mentioned to be illegal way before VK's use in the match
if i can use an unspottable cypher cam or an unbreakable kj molly why won't i be using it ? patch that if u want that out, isn't that simple ?
Marginalized genders? How many are there?
a LOT
@b4bywizard lmao. Where are these stupid people?
none
Male female
the vignette makes the video so hard to watchh
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying 😅