Just a Heads up, Stellantis Recommends 91 on SO engine and requires 91 on HO. However, because SO runs high compression and high boost on heavier vehicles like Wagoneer namely loaded 91 should be standard to avoid timing and boost cuts, knock sensors on modern engines tend to be sensitive.
With that said I think you should still go back into the video and make the note that 91 Octane is recommended and not required for the standard output.
pg 351 of the owner's manual: This engine is designed to meet all emissions requirements, and provide satisfactory fuel economy and performance, when using high-quality unleaded regular gasoline having an octane rating of 87, as specified by the (R+M)/2 method. The use of 91 or higher octane premium gasoline will allow these engines to operate to optimal performance. This increase in performance is most noticeable in hot weather or under heavy load conditions such as while towing.
@@steves.1700 Exactly. They are admitting in the manual that the engine will de-rate itself to protect from knock/LSPI, when run on 87. And that it can do this for general use, indefinitely. BUT, in order to get the *ADVERTISED* power, 91 is what she drinks.
@@cadcamfreak they would say "premium fuel recommended" and yes engines will de-rate or cut timing and boost etc. with lower octane, changing elevation and numerous other factors
Spot on. Both are 226 inches, this said, Excursion really did rival some buses, especially if you got the diesel. I'm not so sure this Jeep is as truck-like and certainly will not hold its value as the Excursion still does today. It also, despite being toe-to-toe for size, seems smaller on the inside though certainly, the Jeep will handle a bit less ponderously.
@Colin Nekritz modern body on frame SUVs handle a million times better than the old excursions not "a little better" they've all moved over to an IRS and coil springs. The single biggest reason for excursions holding their value is the 7.3 powerstroke. It's one of the greatest light duty diesels ever made and the vast process differences between the 7.3 and V10 excursions proves that. All old reliable diesel powered trucks have APPRECIATED in value. A 5.9 12v Cummins 2nd gen RAM 3500 is worth over 75% now what it was when new. Pre DEF diesels are king in terms of longevity.
“Which is farther than Mark could run” had me actually LOL. In Mark’s defense, when he’s running to the bank to make his alimony payments and he parks a foot too far from the pneumatic tube and has to open his door to reach it, he can make that foot in under a second if it’s five minutes before closing time.
If you drive any midsize truck (chevy colorado, ford ranger, jeep gladiator, nissan frontier, toyota tacoma) it's actually right in line w/ those guys, except if you're using it for camping, you get all the interior room. Downside, however, is independent rear suspension. Not enough droop/flex for some obstacles. But available locking differentials save that situation. Hopefully they have a Dana 60 to save the day for the load.
The fact that I drive for a living in an affluent market and I still have never seen one on the road, tells me that we're already in the recession. Nobody is buying them that I can tell. Local dealer has had the same three sitting out front for ages.
Ok, I smiled with Jack mentioning 'Rug-Rats' and 'Little-Bastards'. When I was a child of a big family, total of 13, the kids where in the back of a station-wagon. Jack must have spoke with my father because that is what he called us.
Not bad. I can fit there all my fishing gear for all trips I planned for this decade, bicycle (and backup one just in case) and 20+ jerry cans to make sure I don't run out of gas between gas stations.
Fair review, especially the plug on drivers buying these to be alone in the car! Just a couple of things: While the low and high output versions share the basic Hurricane architecture, they differ substantially in internals. The H.O. has larger turbos, better cooling, a different head design, and quite impressively, forged internals. Secondly, the standard output does not require premium.
@@AH-lw2bj I certainly agree. The H.O. comes from the factory with 26 pounds of boost, so there is definitely room to push it up a notch. I'm sure Stellantis is working on some sort of SRT versions of this engine.
The 2.0 hurricane did not disappoint, it was initiated for the 2017 Alfa Romeo, moved into the Cherokee, then now a larger version for the Grand Wagoneer.
My wife and I went and looked at a Wagoneer Series II the other day. With no additional options, about 74k out the door. We legit did not expect to like it as much as we did, and we cross shopped everything from transit vans to suburbana and expeditions. I will say, this FEELS like it’s a 70k+ car, the others didn’t. The Chevy and ford felt like a 40-50k car with tens of thousands of options. I’d also argue that a 70k non-optioned wagoneer II is better equipped than a 70k Chevy, and it actually has adaptive cruise. With 5 kids, a Great Dane, and road trips, we are excited to swap to something that has a million outlets for phones and space for kids.
Glad you like it. You're exactly who should be buying things like this, along with people who need to both carry people and tow. I grew up in the back of the family station wagon on long vacations, and it will be a terrific experience for your kids, too.
More Bigger. The interior view is an amazing exercise in visual perspective. I can see the curvature of the earth. Gotta admit, I'm excited about the sixes. Well Done.
@@BMWE90HQ There's minimal status in driving a plain Wagoneer. A Grand Wagoneer? Some, in the right part of the country, but your neighbors will still be driving German vehicles.
Good to still see a full size spare underneath the Wagoneer. Electric SUVs never seem to have a flat tire. The traditional ones are superior in that respect. Same for having normal doorhandles and proper buttons in the interior.
I'm actually somewhat hopeful. Part of the reason I love I6 engines is because they're usually reliable. At least mechanically. God knows about all the induction and emissions crap though. The pics of that engine make it look like a nightmare to work on.
My 1990 Ford Bronco with the 4.9 I6 rated at 140 hp and 5 speed manual transmission gets 14.5 MPG so the jeep getting about the same MPG is impressive for what it is.
@@v8_sami bruh sarcasm does not translate over the internet, that's a known fact edit: and with saying 'for what it is' doesnt help, like it's actually giving them credit because it puts out more power. not really signaling any sarcasm there
I was thinking that 50 years of "progress" from the old V8 powered full size station wagons of the early 70s has not netted us much in terms of fuel economy. I grant that the modern iron drives a lot better and runs cleaner.
Wild, Mark is already dressing according to the upcoming Type R purchase. Also, it's hilarious how in ads and on the vehicle's themselves, no mention of "Jeep"... keep'n it upscale / high class for those insane prices, woof.
What I want to know is, what does the head gasket look like? The weak point in most turbo and high-compression engines is the head gasket, and many will remember the Ford EcoBoost I4 coolant intrusion debacle from 2015-2018 Fusions, Escapes, and Edges, which was corrected in mid-2019 with a block redesign. What redeems the GDI EcoBoost motors is that they will adjust power down for 87 octane fuel, so if the Hurricane can't do the same then there's going to be a problem.
My ford edge has 100k miles and they say the coolan intrusion happens before that. Depends on where the engine was made was the common problem. Also certain years so its not the design its the builders being lazy and not getting paid what they deserve which in return effects consumers.
Great review guys! I have a 2022 Wagoneer Series III. I do my own mpg calculations (the car’s computer is about 1.5-2mpg generous in my history with Stellantis/Chrysler/Jeep). I get about 17 local, and low 20s on the highway…Disappointed in the mpg you guys saw…and if that’s from the car’s computer, it’s probably close to 12mpg with required premium! Ouch! The 5.7L doesn’t require premium…bummer.
I’m getting about 15.5mpg around town in our Wagoneer with 5.7l v8. Was expecting the I6 to be a lot better, actually surprised. My BMW S55 I6 easily gets 20mpg+
@@rezilient112 that's the confusing part...they went with a turbo engine which in theory is supposed to give you better MPGs, but folks will literally be getting the same MPG as a V8? there wasn't any point of dropping the V8 then lol.
Fuel economy is kinda a surprise. My 5.7 wagoneer gets 16.8-17 and I was able to get 21-22 on road trip. They act like the hurricane should get 1mpg or more.
The elephant in the room is the reliability of that new inline six. I'd guess it's the first Mopar straight six since the legendary 225 slant six, unless you count the even more reliable Jeep 4.0. But this thing has twin turbos. Even the Pentastar V-6 had it's share of teething pains, although it ended up being pretty good. Best to wait a few years unless you are very risk-tolerant. Benchmarking the BMW B58 is a damn high bar, at least as far as refinement goes.
I was hoping for some frustration scenes 😂 but i suppose that means this thing was pretty soothing. These things are huge on the road. Id consider one if i were in that market.
Believe it or not, with all the awesome shit ya'll review. I've been waiting to see anything on the new Hurricane. The L is insane. I'd be fine with the standard Length. But the Hurricane is what I wanna know about.
We drove a series 3 yesterday. Not an L, but with the 3 Ltr. I was really impressed with everything, (BUT), the fuel mileage. We actually went to drive a Durango, but all they had on the lot were Hemi R/Ts. What I have noticed about everything I have sat in or driven is the lack of comfortable seats. The Wagoneer had the best seats and ride. Ride by far, but seats by a little. My present truck is a 2002' V-10 F250 Super Crew Lariat. It gets absolutely horrible mileage, but is the most comfortable truck i have ever driven or owned. The seating is thick and comfortable for 24 hour straight drives, which I used to do regularly. Did I mention I used to tow a single car trailer cross country a lot?? Though I no longer do those long towing drives, I have a fused back now and need something with real comfort... So my question to you is: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS COMFORT ANYMORE IN A TRUCK or SUV?? The Wagoneer is the best for me so far. PLEASE tell me there is something better that actually gets good mileage and doesn't have to drink premium fuel....
There is a much bigger difference between the normal and high output engines, the only thing they share between the two is the block, everything including the crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshaft & valves, turbochargers, and intercoolers are different. The HO also does not have an EGR system.
I always have to shake my head when someone says an engine is outdated just because it has pushrods. Overhead cams have been around just as long, for one thing. And for another, there's more TRULY modern engineering in the form of computational fluid dynamics and simulation in the cylinder heads of a pushrod LS or Hemi than meets the eye. Similarly, numerical stress analysis to tell them where to remove material in such a way to get a cast iron block with all material advantages to weigh only 20 lbs more than an aluminum version. But back to valve actuation methods: It takes modern engineering to get two-valve heads (especially the wedge-type LSx engine family) to flow air better than the brute-force overhead-cam 4-valve approach. The Hemi is getting a bit long in the tooth, the current versions dating to 2011 with a significant block upgrade to the 6.2/6.4 in 2015... but they aren't archaic because they have pushrods. In fact they'll fit under lower, more aerodynamic hoods than many OHC engines will. I'm excited to see how the inline 6 works out, but for me (until its proven) its still a lot more complexity for little or no benefit to the driver.
There is a reason most Semi Trucks use an inline 6. It's inherently balanced and smooth with more torque. It's much easier to fit turbochargers on inline engines. Realistically, Ram should have offered inline-6 engines for some time due to the benefits it offers. They should have never gone with the 3.0L V6 Turbodiesel. V pattern engines offer packaging and performance benefits. For a Pushrod V8 the weight is lower, the height and length are less, but it's wider. A supercharger is fairly easy to fit on a V8, but a turbocharger would be complex. For a performance-oriented vehicle, the V8s will still make more sense.
Yes, but an I6 is usually too long for transverse use. For Stellantis, which is making a lot of vehicles with aging V8s this was easy to justify strictly for RWD use, but many manufacturers prefer a more versatile engine.
It's definitely is great in a 1500. It just feels right in a pickup but now jeep and RAM want more "refinement," which never fit anything Mopar or old school jeep.
@@TC-rc1zf Agreed, before Stellantis the focus was simplicity, functionality, performance, with reasonable affordability. Glad I got my Ram 1500 Classic when I did, going to keep it going as long as I can.
You guys are always accurate and technical (beyond being the most entertaining)... shouldn't video be titled as Wagoneer L? I.E. Tahoe / Suburban, Expedition / Expedition Max VS. Wagoneer / Wagoneer L.
@@savagegeese Thanks. (I suspected as much.) I guess we could assume it is a different one in this version, but likely not, and maybe you checked in this one, too, and didn't want to tear them a new one, haha. Having a brand name so visibly on the speaker grills that is also "Alpine" really smells of low quality. Like one level above "Premium".
@@tim3172 mixed driving i guess, but dont get on the freeway much so mostly city. With longer trips with more freeway driving the built in computer shows 16-17 mpg. So i think more freeway driving would put it closer to 20mpg mixed
The cargo space is actually less than a Pacifica with seats down, and the Wagoneer L only beats it with the third row up. I like it if you're towing, which the Pacifica can't match, but otherwise it's much more livable and with AWD can handle some rougher roads (though the body on frame may be more durable if only driven on rough roads). If you want cargo space, the ProMaster has them both beat!
A lot of people with 7 or 12 kids and a bunch of shit to haul around would be better served by a minivan--better aerodynamics, better fuel economy, same or better interior space, etc. But their egos won't let them buy a minivan, even though these castrated dudes already gave Karen their balls in the divorce.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601, Suburban and Yukon are the same thing from a different brand. If you don't tow or use your vehicle as a battering ram, these are just a waste of money when minivans drive better with the same interior space.
@Questioner lol....I have a 22 yukon denali xl....minivans, all of them are In no way comparable. The ride is far beyond anything a minivan can do, it can tow my boat and I live at 7800 ft on a dirt road. Minivans here would become buried in snow in the winter and would get stuck in the mud in spring. Besides minivans are going away and you mentioned the Pacifica ...hope you dident buy one. As a professional mechanic for 26 years now and having tons if experience working of Chrysler products I can tell you the pentastar 3.6 v6 n the Pacifica is probably the biggest pile of crap ever put into a vehicle. If you got one...I hope you took the extended warranty.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601, it sounds like we're not far off. In beating through mud and snow on dirt roads and towing, I agree, the body on frame SUV is better. However, I've found on well maintained roads the minivan is still quite smooth and comfortable while being nimbler than body-on-frame. I've owned big body-on-frame diesel vehicles, and really liked them for heavy lifting, but prefer minivans as daily vehicles that are comfy on long trips but still fit in a city parking spot. Plus, 3500 lb towing is adequate for towing a small boat, car, or medium trailer (6x12 enclosed, for example).
That interior camera shot in this car makes it look like you guys are in Jeremy Clarkson's Fiat Panda limo. Though that awkward extended hold on Jack at the end, lol.
Just a Heads up, Stellantis Recommends 91 on SO engine and requires 91 on HO. However, because SO runs high compression and high boost on heavier vehicles like Wagoneer namely loaded 91 should be standard to avoid timing and boost cuts, knock sensors on modern engines tend to be sensitive.
With that said I think you should still go back into the video and make the note that 91 Octane is recommended and not required for the standard output.
pg 351 of the owner's manual: This engine is designed to meet all emissions requirements, and provide satisfactory fuel economy and performance, when using high-quality unleaded regular gasoline having an octane rating of 87, as specified by the (R+M)/2 method. The use of 91 or higher octane premium gasoline will allow these engines to operate to optimal performance. This increase in performance is most noticeable in hot weather or under heavy load conditions such as while towing.
@@steves.1700 Exactly. They are admitting in the manual that the engine will de-rate itself to protect from knock/LSPI, when run on 87. And that it can do this for general use, indefinitely. BUT, in order to get the *ADVERTISED* power, 91 is what she drinks.
Would this hold true then for all engines that state this on the fuel door "premium fuel required"? Any long term damage for using 87 vs 91?
@@cadcamfreak they would say "premium fuel recommended" and yes engines will de-rate or cut timing and boost etc. with lower octane, changing elevation and numerous other factors
Took us 22 years but we finally have SUV's that are as big as the Excursion.
Spot on. Both are 226 inches, this said, Excursion really did rival some buses, especially if you got the diesel. I'm not so sure this Jeep is as truck-like and certainly will not hold its value as the Excursion still does today. It also, despite being toe-to-toe for size, seems smaller on the inside though certainly, the Jeep will handle a bit less ponderously.
The excursion is big but its use of space is poor. It has less cargo volume than a gmt400 suburban.
@Colin Nekritz modern body on frame SUVs handle a million times better than the old excursions not "a little better" they've all moved over to an IRS and coil springs. The single biggest reason for excursions holding their value is the 7.3 powerstroke. It's one of the greatest light duty diesels ever made and the vast process differences between the 7.3 and V10 excursions proves that. All old reliable diesel powered trucks have APPRECIATED in value. A 5.9 12v Cummins 2nd gen RAM 3500 is worth over 75% now what it was when new. Pre DEF diesels are king in terms of longevity.
Dodge could have done a ram charger that size.
cue the Canyonero song
“Which is farther than Mark could run” had me actually LOL. In Mark’s defense, when he’s running to the bank to make his alimony payments and he parks a foot too far from the pneumatic tube and has to open his door to reach it, he can make that foot in under a second if it’s five minutes before closing time.
Truly a god among men.
This is truly the Savage Geese-iest comment on this video. True love for the king geese exudes from this calligraphy of gods.
Finally an SUV that can haul a modern casket comfortably.
The way a lot of pricks drive, they should have their own caskets ready to go at a moment's notice.
Ha! And look right doing it. This sucker would make an awesome hearse.
Best thing is you can just leave the casket in and bury both at the same time to save an extra trip to the junkyard.
@@hissingoose 😂
Or a family of the large folks ,, thanks fiat
Watching you guys driving it and seeing how much room there is behind the driver is kinda insane looks like you're driving a small bus.
competing with the expedition/suburban id guess
There’s more area in this thing than my mattress
It IS a small bus lol.
If you drive any midsize truck (chevy colorado, ford ranger, jeep gladiator, nissan frontier, toyota tacoma) it's actually right in line w/ those guys, except if you're using it for camping, you get all the interior room.
Downside, however, is independent rear suspension. Not enough droop/flex for some obstacles. But available locking differentials save that situation. Hopefully they have a Dana 60 to save the day for the load.
Seriously. Reminds me of the old Excursions lol
Cars like these remind me that we're due for a recession.
At least someone else remembers this happens everytime.
Already in a recession. Funny money and wagon circling for the current administration can only hide the truth for so long.
The fact that I drive for a living in an affluent market and I still have never seen one on the road, tells me that we're already in the recession. Nobody is buying them that I can tell. Local dealer has had the same three sitting out front for ages.
@@nodak81 I think I've seen a total of 2 since release. That's not a good sign as you said
There's alot of them in the Houston market.
Ok, I smiled with Jack mentioning 'Rug-Rats' and 'Little-Bastards'. When I was a child of a big family, total of 13, the kids where in the back of a station-wagon. Jack must have spoke with my father because that is what he called us.
Why'd your dad do that to your mom?
Which is very disrespectful in my opinion!!! Calling kids bastards is so unintelligent!!!
finally, something classy that can fit my large adult son
lmao
Plus his diapers?
Not bad. I can fit there all my fishing gear for all trips I planned for this decade, bicycle (and backup one just in case) and 20+ jerry cans to make sure I don't run out of gas between gas stations.
Jacks face at the very end, LOL. Love all the subtle humor, never gets old.
Fair review, especially the plug on drivers buying these to be alone in the car!
Just a couple of things: While the low and high output versions share the basic Hurricane architecture, they differ substantially in internals. The H.O. has larger turbos, better cooling, a different head design, and quite impressively, forged internals. Secondly, the standard output does not require premium.
While it doesn’t require it jeep does “ recommend” premium for the low output.
Nice to see the forged internals from factory....
Going to be some rippers with bigger turbos and some nitrous
@@pilotvanquish3886 true. Kinda what Ford does with their Ecoboosts. Premium is recommended in severe duty and towing purposes.
@@AH-lw2bj I certainly agree. The H.O. comes from the factory with 26 pounds of boost, so there is definitely room to push it up a notch. I'm sure Stellantis is working on some sort of SRT versions of this engine.
@@hellkitty1014 I just hope it sounds good, my buddy had an old 4.0L HO Cherokee with straight pipes and it sounded wicked
Man I just love the music selection choices made during the interior segment. Wonderful touch of detail every time.
The 2.0 hurricane did not disappoint, it was initiated for the 2017 Alfa Romeo, moved into the Cherokee, then now a larger version for the Grand Wagoneer.
0:30 “Which is basically two RAV4s worth of cargo space”
*Me: No way two RAV4s can fit in there!*
😂
131 cubic feet is pretty big, but the Chrysler Pacifica minivan has 140 cubic feet, so... Minivans are still superior in this category.
Can be used as a Hearse ☺️
Jack be Nimble Jack Be Quick get to the gas station!
I had the same thought for a fraction of a second.
“I wonder what category it is?” The fact it had you both cracking up is hilarious!!!🤣🤣🤣. Thank y’all for the amazing content!!!!
My wife and I went and looked at a Wagoneer Series II the other day. With no additional options, about 74k out the door. We legit did not expect to like it as much as we did, and we cross shopped everything from transit vans to suburbana and expeditions. I will say, this FEELS like it’s a 70k+ car, the others didn’t. The Chevy and ford felt like a 40-50k car with tens of thousands of options. I’d also argue that a 70k non-optioned wagoneer II is better equipped than a 70k Chevy, and it actually has adaptive cruise.
With 5 kids, a Great Dane, and road trips, we are excited to swap to something that has a million outlets for phones and space for kids.
Glad you like it. You're exactly who should be buying things like this, along with people who need to both carry people and tow. I grew up in the back of the family station wagon on long vacations, and it will be a terrific experience for your kids, too.
Thank you for all these videos you guys put out. The attention to detail, the humor, the Orginal Top Gear vibes.. love it. My go-to vehicle reviews!
I looked it up and the Wagoneer L is the exact same length as the Ford Excursion, but 3 inches wider. Definitely the return of the Canyonero.
It’s wider? I have an 02. Will need to park next to one to compare
@@dylanbuk7055 Your 2002 Excursion is listed as 79.9 inches wide. The Wagoneer is 83.6.
More Bigger. The interior view is an amazing exercise in visual perspective. I can see the curvature of the earth.
Gotta admit, I'm excited about the sixes.
Well Done.
I love seeing these on the road with only 1 person in them
Status. They have it.
If I could afford one, I'd be driving it all by my lonesome too. For now I'm stuck with my garbage HHR.
I love seeing a sports car just commuting… give it a break no one uses max capability all the time is a stupid way to view things
@@BMWE90HQ There's minimal status in driving a plain Wagoneer. A Grand Wagoneer? Some, in the right part of the country, but your neighbors will still be driving German vehicles.
mechanics usually road test solo after making repairs.
Good to still see a full size spare underneath the Wagoneer. Electric SUVs never seem to have a flat tire. The traditional ones are superior in that respect. Same for having normal doorhandles and proper buttons in the interior.
Plenty of ICE crossovers are also deleting spares, though not in this category, where the added size and weight isn't a problem.
Yes that under car tire is awesome when it’s your rear tire that burst sets on the rim and you can’t get the tire out, funny engineers
Oh my wife and I got stuck in Wyoming and couldn't find a charging station. Back home in SF they are everywhere LOL.
Looking forward to the “reliability” reports on these.
I’m sure they will be very reliable for 60,000 miles
It’s mile 60,001 you’ve got to be afraid of.
66,666, worry then lol
I'm actually somewhat hopeful. Part of the reason I love I6 engines is because they're usually reliable. At least mechanically. God knows about all the induction and emissions crap though. The pics of that engine make it look like a nightmare to work on.
I'm over 83K and no problems at all so yea higher than 60K
12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride….Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports! Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Had the same thought haha
My 1990 Ford Bronco with the 4.9 I6 rated at 140 hp and 5 speed manual transmission gets 14.5 MPG so the jeep getting about the same MPG is impressive for what it is.
not when you account for 30 years of progress
@@bradhaines3142 I think the sarcasm went over your head lol
@@v8_sami bruh sarcasm does not translate over the internet, that's a known fact
edit: and with saying 'for what it is' doesnt help, like it's actually giving them credit because it puts out more power. not really signaling any sarcasm there
I was thinking that 50 years of "progress" from the old V8 powered full size station wagons of the early 70s has not netted us much in terms of fuel economy.
I grant that the modern iron drives a lot better and runs cleaner.
@@martinliehs2513 mostly in effeciency, they have like 3x the power stock and used the same or less fuel
I want the normal output Hurricane in a Grand Cherokee L - nice.
Wild, Mark is already dressing according to the upcoming Type R purchase. Also, it's hilarious how in ads and on the vehicle's themselves, no mention of "Jeep"... keep'n it upscale / high class for those insane prices, woof.
Love you guys. The all-black outfit really trims Mark down.
It tamed him
What I want to know is, what does the head gasket look like? The weak point in most turbo and high-compression engines is the head gasket, and many will remember the Ford EcoBoost I4 coolant intrusion debacle from 2015-2018 Fusions, Escapes, and Edges, which was corrected in mid-2019 with a block redesign. What redeems the GDI EcoBoost motors is that they will adjust power down for 87 octane fuel, so if the Hurricane can't do the same then there's going to be a problem.
My ford edge has 100k miles and they say the coolan intrusion happens before that. Depends on where the engine was made was the common problem. Also certain years so its not the design its the builders being lazy and not getting paid what they deserve which in return effects consumers.
Can't wait to see these on the road, following me half a car length away at highway speeds
I couldn’t care half a f**k about this kind of vehicles. Still, I’m here watching you guys. Keep it up!
You broke
I want to do an engine swap, 3.6 for this 3.0TT, in my Jeep Gladiator
I love your attitude and review - very refreshing. A real blast.
Great review guys! I have a 2022 Wagoneer Series III. I do my own mpg calculations (the car’s computer is about 1.5-2mpg generous in my history with Stellantis/Chrysler/Jeep). I get about 17 local, and low 20s on the highway…Disappointed in the mpg you guys saw…and if that’s from the car’s computer, it’s probably close to 12mpg with required premium! Ouch! The 5.7L doesn’t require premium…bummer.
I’m getting about 15.5mpg around town in our Wagoneer with 5.7l v8. Was expecting the I6 to be a lot better, actually surprised. My BMW S55 I6 easily gets 20mpg+
@@rezilient112 that's the confusing part...they went with a turbo engine which in theory is supposed to give you better MPGs, but folks will literally be getting the same MPG as a V8? there wasn't any point of dropping the V8 then lol.
Fuel economy is kinda a surprise. My 5.7 wagoneer gets 16.8-17 and I was able to get 21-22 on road trip. They act like the hurricane should get 1mpg or more.
The 5.7 is a great underrated engine.
The elephant in the room is the reliability of that new inline six. I'd guess it's the first Mopar straight six since the legendary 225 slant six, unless you count the even more reliable Jeep 4.0. But this thing has twin turbos. Even the Pentastar V-6 had it's share of teething pains, although it ended up being pretty good. Best to wait a few years unless you are very risk-tolerant. Benchmarking the BMW B58 is a damn high bar, at least as far as refinement goes.
1:09 that build quality tho. One thing I’m worried is the last time Chrysler came out with a new engine was the v6 diesel which was unreliable.
Got a joke for you.
Chrysler, Peugeot, and Fiat make a vehicle together.
Sorry it wasn’t funny, I don’t like unnecessary repairs either.
That was a Fiat-branded engine designed by VM Motori later renamed to "EcoDiesel".
This is a Chrysler-group (the C in FCA, rather than the F) design.
ur not buying some bespoke 200k suv, This is mass produced SUV
We need some outtakes at the end! Jack’s face melting to to the camera at the end… the suspense!
Unless I missed it not one mention of the engine size or torque figures?
I was hoping for some frustration scenes 😂 but i suppose that means this thing was pretty soothing. These things are huge on the road. Id consider one if i were in that market.
8:27 Expedition and Tahoe - "Am I nothing to you?"
Believe it or not, with all the awesome shit ya'll review. I've been waiting to see anything on the new Hurricane. The L is insane. I'd be fine with the standard Length. But the Hurricane is what I wanna know about.
Stellantis went full Canyonero on this one, damn that thing is huge.
Will be interesting when they shoe horn a 3 thousand pound battery pack in there that has 100 mile range.
I wonder if they will remove the turbos to replace the regular V6 3.6l
We drove a series 3 yesterday. Not an L, but with the 3 Ltr. I was really impressed with everything, (BUT), the fuel mileage. We actually went to drive a Durango, but all they had on the lot were Hemi R/Ts. What I have noticed about everything I have sat in or driven is the lack of comfortable seats. The Wagoneer had the best seats and ride. Ride by far, but seats by a little. My present truck is a 2002' V-10 F250 Super Crew Lariat. It gets absolutely horrible mileage, but is the most comfortable truck i have ever driven or owned. The seating is thick and comfortable for 24 hour straight drives, which I used to do regularly. Did I mention I used to tow a single car trailer cross country a lot?? Though I no longer do those long towing drives, I have a fused back now and need something with real comfort... So my question to you is: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS COMFORT ANYMORE IN A TRUCK or SUV?? The Wagoneer is the best for me so far. PLEASE tell me there is something better that actually gets good mileage and doesn't have to drink premium fuel....
There is a much bigger difference between the normal and high output engines, the only thing they share between the two is the block, everything including the crankshaft, rods, pistons, camshaft & valves, turbochargers, and intercoolers are different. The HO also does not have an EGR system.
The return of the I6!!
It's always more fun when Mark drives.
I always have to shake my head when someone says an engine is outdated just because it has pushrods. Overhead cams have been around just as long, for one thing. And for another, there's more TRULY modern engineering in the form of computational fluid dynamics and simulation in the cylinder heads of a pushrod LS or Hemi than meets the eye. Similarly, numerical stress analysis to tell them where to remove material in such a way to get a cast iron block with all material advantages to weigh only 20 lbs more than an aluminum version. But back to valve actuation methods: It takes modern engineering to get two-valve heads (especially the wedge-type LSx engine family) to flow air better than the brute-force overhead-cam 4-valve approach. The Hemi is getting a bit long in the tooth, the current versions dating to 2011 with a significant block upgrade to the 6.2/6.4 in 2015... but they aren't archaic because they have pushrods. In fact they'll fit under lower, more aerodynamic hoods than many OHC engines will. I'm excited to see how the inline 6 works out, but for me (until its proven) its still a lot more complexity for little or no benefit to the driver.
There is a reason most Semi Trucks use an inline 6. It's inherently balanced and smooth with more torque. It's much easier to fit turbochargers on inline engines. Realistically, Ram should have offered inline-6 engines for some time due to the benefits it offers. They should have never gone with the 3.0L V6 Turbodiesel.
V pattern engines offer packaging and performance benefits. For a Pushrod V8 the weight is lower, the height and length are less, but it's wider. A supercharger is fairly easy to fit on a V8, but a turbocharger would be complex. For a performance-oriented vehicle, the V8s will still make more sense.
Yes, but an I6 is usually too long for transverse use. For Stellantis, which is making a lot of vehicles with aging V8s this was easy to justify strictly for RWD use, but many manufacturers prefer a more versatile engine.
Another great video, guys! I just want to make sure you two don't start hating each other.
I like the overall look of the vehicle.
The video content I wanted but couldn’t find!
Thats a nice Bluebird Bus yall got there 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Wish this engine was offered on the 300.
I'm keen to see how this i6 plays in a smaller sporty thing.
Edit: oh wow 6100 lmao.
@Justin Chism That's nice bro. It isn't always about low end torque. Sometimes you want her to sing and curl her toes 💦
@@agenericaccount3935 in a six million tonne family hauler? Sure, fam.
@@leviathan5207 "I'm keen to see how this i6 plays in a smaller sporty thing"
Read the comments before saying things, fam.
A fairly modern new stallantis engine. Bound to be some italian persuasion tucked in there somewhere 👀
@@air-headedaviator1805 I hope so🤌🏻
With Jeeps reliability this WILL be the way to go.
Loved it. This is why I subscribed.
"So you can entertain those little bastards" just made me laugh in my Oral Surgeon's waiting room. Thanks 🤣
Would love to know what is happening behind camera at end of this video
20 seconds in and i can tell i need to sub already
Besides glorious sound another advantage of those ancient Hemis will be reliability. Twin turbos? What could possibly go wrong...
I was hoping for more than 14.6, driving mine not like an a hole my 5.7 wagoneer gets 17.4ish
Will be the soccer mom at the light over the line splitting lanes not knowing where her tires are , this will be awesome
This thing is for people that want to haul a speedboat - inside the vehicle. 🙂
I know, wouldn't wanna get it wet.
nice want to drive this new inline I-6 will it go 200,000 miles like the old jeep in line 6 ?
I wonder how this compares against the expedition max?
Bigger
Can't wait for the I6 SRT JGC!
Is the hurricane replacing the pentastar?
Have you guys done dedicated review on Sequoia?
12:23 LOL ~ Best end to a video yet!
What's up with those last few seconds?! 😂
What would the mpg be on the SRT version of this? 8 to 10?
The underside build looks really nice.
Is the motor still connected to a ZF??
I hope the hurricane works out but I have my doubts. The Hemi is much simpler, and I get about 16 city and 23-25 mpg highway on eco88 in my Ram 1500.
It's definitely is great in a 1500. It just feels right in a pickup but now jeep and RAM want more "refinement," which never fit anything Mopar or old school jeep.
@@TC-rc1zf Agreed, before Stellantis the focus was simplicity, functionality, performance, with reasonable affordability. Glad I got my Ram 1500 Classic when I did, going to keep it going as long as I can.
This looks like a great car to blend in a funeral processing!
This is why the folks that could retire at 45 , work until they are 70 :) fun to watch not sure how I got here , thanks algorithm
You guys are always accurate and technical (beyond being the most entertaining)... shouldn't video be titled as Wagoneer L? I.E. Tahoe / Suburban, Expedition / Expedition Max VS. Wagoneer / Wagoneer L.
Daily where is the VW Atlas Review question.
Will be interesting to see the tune ability of this motor thats if the computer isn’t locked down
Not one word about the audio system? ... In a car that is particularly quiet?
We covered the Wagoneers audio system in last video. It was Terrible.
@@savagegeese Thanks. (I suspected as much.)
I guess we could assume it is a different one in this version, but likely not, and maybe you checked in this one, too, and didn't want to tear them a new one, haha.
Having a brand name so visibly on the speaker grills that is also "Alpine" really smells of low quality. Like one level above "Premium".
The Chrysler dealership near my house has about 25 of these in stock. I don't see any of them selling.
What is a suburban long boy? 0:53
Unless you need to tow, AWD minivan?
Damn the Grand Cherokee got kinda fat over the holidays
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I need a GIF of Jack at the end of the driving impressions segment. 😂
If this is the Hurricane engine, then the previous one was the Grannycane?
In the future would kindly add the cargo capacity for the trim level driven to your reviews. Thanks.
Waiting for this engine to go into the JL and/or JT.
Imagine spending the same dough for this as you would for the new Sequoia just for the Jeep to fall apart in 30k miles lol.
Toyotas are boring though
I saw one of these next to me a few days ago. I was like wth is that??? It’s pretty big.
Surprised about the fuel consumption on the I6, our Wagoneer with the 5.7 V8 gets 15.5mpg around town and around 20mpg+ highway.
Was thinking the same. The “archaic” 5.7 does better in the real world fuel economy and you can use 87/89 instead of 91.
Are you flooring it everywhere or driving responsibly?
@@tim3172 mixed driving i guess, but dont get on the freeway much so mostly city. With longer trips with more freeway driving the built in computer shows 16-17 mpg. So i think more freeway driving would put it closer to 20mpg mixed
The cargo space is actually less than a Pacifica with seats down, and the Wagoneer L only beats it with the third row up. I like it if you're towing, which the Pacifica can't match, but otherwise it's much more livable and with AWD can handle some rougher roads (though the body on frame may be more durable if only driven on rough roads). If you want cargo space, the ProMaster has them both beat!
A lot of people with 7 or 12 kids and a bunch of shit to haul around would be better served by a minivan--better aerodynamics, better fuel economy, same or better interior space, etc. But their egos won't let them buy a minivan, even though these castrated dudes already gave Karen their balls in the divorce.
Or a suburban/yukon....been doing this since the 40's
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601, Suburban and Yukon are the same thing from a different brand. If you don't tow or use your vehicle as a battering ram, these are just a waste of money when minivans drive better with the same interior space.
@Questioner lol....I have a 22 yukon denali xl....minivans, all of them are In no way comparable. The ride is far beyond anything a minivan can do, it can tow my boat and I live at 7800 ft on a dirt road. Minivans here would become buried in snow in the winter and would get stuck in the mud in spring. Besides minivans are going away and you mentioned the Pacifica ...hope you dident buy one. As a professional mechanic for 26 years now and having tons if experience working of Chrysler products I can tell you the pentastar 3.6 v6 n the Pacifica is probably the biggest pile of crap ever put into a vehicle. If you got one...I hope you took the extended warranty.
@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601, it sounds like we're not far off. In beating through mud and snow on dirt roads and towing, I agree, the body on frame SUV is better. However, I've found on well maintained roads the minivan is still quite smooth and comfortable while being nimbler than body-on-frame. I've owned big body-on-frame diesel vehicles, and really liked them for heavy lifting, but prefer minivans as daily vehicles that are comfy on long trips but still fit in a city parking spot. Plus, 3500 lb towing is adequate for towing a small boat, car, or medium trailer (6x12 enclosed, for example).
This will be a fine weekend car for getting your groceries or keeping a meetings on the back if you can’t rent a conference room
Twin turbo inline six damn! Does it fit in my Supra?
where there's a will theres a way
Great video fellas!!!
Been waiting for Jeep to bring back the I6 since the 4.0L
That interior camera shot in this car makes it look like you guys are in Jeremy Clarkson's Fiat Panda limo.
Though that awkward extended hold on Jack at the end, lol.
I love the little "typo" in the description.
The misaligned body panels in the exterior shots in true Jeep fashion lol