lol should do a video on just that ha ha . Gona take all day to clean that truck at this point . Maybe next crappy do I will pull it in the shop an get started .
Time is so very important in the firewood business I ended up buying all my wood it was delivered I did not have wear and tear on my truck and trailer but I did not have a saw mill as you do. I was doing 50 tri-axle loads per year and I needed good pole wood for the processor every ones firewood business is different and you have to do what is best for your operation. stay safe and keep that thumb out of the way
Your right time is key . Just hard to wrap my head around buying wood but numbers don’t lie so we’re gona try doing things a lil differently this yr . Free wood is like a drug lol hard to give it up but I’m going to slowly ween myself off of it by buying in loads . Should give me more time in the Woodyard to be making wood .
Hello Phil and Karen. The time you waste traveling to get the free wood, the loss with trimming the bark off and the clean up of all the waste tells me you are better off getting the barkless wood. You can still pick up free wood when the other stuff isn’t available. Maybe you can charge more for the metal infused wood because the metal will carry higher heat for a longer time. Thanks for another good video
For the size of operation you guys have the barkless loads would be the way to go for camp wood, but from the way you said, Phil, i don't think you will get enough to make it through the year for sales. I'd say go get the tree service wood when you can. It would be nice if their jobs were a little closer. I haven't personally purchased any logs, but i don't have the sales nor the operation you guys have. At least 80% of the wood I've gotten over the last year, tree service guys have brought it to me. 😁 They save a little money from no having to pay dump fees at the landfill. Anyways, keep up the great work! 👍
I belive I can get more loads from another guy but he’s a lot more expensive. I might just buy one load an see if it works out . Every yr we get more efficient and need more wood so I’m gona have to start buying in loads . I think my time is better spent in the Woodyard but I’m gona keep 2 of my best tree guys that I pick up from . I do have a few guys that bring it to me like you and I like that as long as they don’t dump a load of junk that I have to haul off .
Looking formal to your collaboration with russ. As for the wood when you include saw logs it sounds like some of both options is the best. See ya on the next one phil and Karen
I think we’re gona keep the 2 best tree company’s . I went an got a load yesterday and he gave me a $50 bill for coming to come pick up the wood . Hard to say no to that . Hopefully we can get more loads of that barkless logs it’s the. That Al wood is gona be fun to play with .
It’s up to you Phil, I’m not in the firewood business but I have watched you for a long, long time and I am somewhat familiar with your operation. If it was me I would rather someone deliver logs to me and pay the extra cash just for the convenience alone. Have you ever calculated the cost for fuel, tires, wear and tear on your trailer, and your time plus the liability and risk involved towing a trailer load of logs down a busy highway. And your time has to be worth plenty, I’m sure when you two are producing firewood together it’s worth at least 1 Benjamin an hour? Free wood is nice, but it’s far from free, unless they deliver. Just my 2 cents worth Phil, your videos are great. 😊
Oh yeah the backless pine delivered is way more beneficial to us. But we’ve calculated the cost Togo pick up the tree service wood and we’re not ahead of the game there but it gives us our hardwood that we sell for heating wood and also the saw logs that we produce lumber with that sells for a premium price. A lot of pieces to the puzzle and I think we need all of it to keep thriving and keeping our business growing
@@AllenFamilyFirewood what is the cost of buying hardwood delivered vs two people picking up free wood as your man hours are actually double the 2-3hrs required.?
Sawmill rejects can be fun have a lot of cool souvenirs on the wall in the shop. Looking forward to the all wood bs buster. Big wood makes nice bundle grade.
I have done both over the last few years, and it seems to work out well for me. For my free wood from the time i leave the house and get back, I am gone 2.5 to 3 hours, and i have little over a half cord cut and split. I dont think that's too bad of a trade-off.😉👍
It's all a good deal. Figure out a way to streamline stacking and bagging and you have a gold mine. Taking a ride gives you some time to think and make plans.
Been reading through comments and it sounds like not much is going to change but I would also say that if you can only get 5 or 6 loads of the bark less at the price you want, you’ll have to keep picking up the free stuff. Either way, you’ll run the risk of metal especially in homeowner yard wood (that isn’t tagged at all). Maybe consider keeping the travel distance shorter? 2 hour round trip travel seems a bit excessive. Not sure if that will kill the free wood altogether, but it’s worth considering. I guess it boils down to the need at the time. Keeping a good relationship with the tree service guys is important but so is your time. And don’t forget, sometimes a little windshield time is good for your sanity!
Couldn’t have said it better! All true points. Honestly when it’s 80 degrees and humid in the summer it’s not so bad to hop in the air conditioned truck and go for a ride to get wood. Thanks for your thoughts!
Definitely buy all the reasonably priced sawmill reject loads. Even 4-5 loads a year @ 80% yield for bundle wood is huge. Buying good quality raw materials is the best way to focus on your products and maximizing your profits… Firewood production is a prime example of “garbage in garbage out”
That’s the plan . The yeald is so good on the sawlogs compared to tree service stuff . I might even pay a lil extra to get a load from another guy I know . The deal with the tree guys is I take it all hardwood and pine so they might not be happy if I don’t take the pine .
Phil and Karen it’s a shame that blue couldn’t help out in the wood yard 👍looks like things are going pretty well for you guys in the wood yard so far 😮😊❤
I think you need both The bark less logs are pine. But you need hardwood too. And the backless logs are in short supply. Ideally paying somebody to pick up the free stuff would be an alternative.
We definitely need both Steve. We’ll probably keep picking up the tree service wood as I think paying someone to haul it would cost us more. But we’ll be examining that too to see if it would work. One thing at a time, right now we’re focused on producing wood and getting it stacked up for drying. Building that inventory
I have one further comment and I am sure not one you want to hear. The two of you cannot keep up this seven day a week frenzied pace and remain healthy and productive forever. You need help with something, even a part timer looking to keep busy. And Phil wanting more stands puts more strain on the process (you struggled to service the stands you had last summer!!!!). I love watching your videos but it is hard to watch the overworking at times.
That’s exactly what we’re going to do. Can’t put all our eggs in one basket and we need both. Sure is nice having it delivered though and we’ll take full advantage of it
phil what i did almost 10 years ago with tree service wood was if they bring out a almost full load in either their dump trucks or dump trailers I give them 25 bucks.. now thst im away from the wood yard up north i have them click a pic of the load and a pic of it dumped and I cash app em. they like it cause it pays their gas or diesel to my place and yes when i have the opportunity i buy logs from mills and loggers. farmers are my biggest suppliers but i go get it.. but im set up for it too. a 40 ft triple axel 9 ton axel trailer i pull with an old kenworth semi. but alot of tree service wood goes in my burn hole cause some aint worth dealing with like crotches ..just buzz em out and toss em.
If I had a log truck or a self loading trailer I could have more wood than I could possibly use . The crane guy produces 10-15 cord a week yr round but I’m no good at fixing stuff and them log trucks need lots of maintenance. I just don’t want all my eggs in one basket so I’m gona try a few new things this yr an hopefully not make the wrong decision.
Hello guys I found out this year just for me I went and cut trees for my self and had wood delivered and I never ran out of wood but the wood that was delivered was from my logging buddy it wasn't the greatest it all clean up from a logging job. I made do Time to process the wood is the key. Thank guys
I’m learning that time spent in the Woodyard makes us more $ than out driving to get free wood but I like the change up . We’ve goten a few partial loads of hardwood from the log truck and it’s all tree service wood but the price is right .
You are making me miss my Jonsered. Those are some good-looking logs. That metal would really mess up a sawmill..They break your heart when you hit them with a chainsaw too. You guys now have the snow and cold and we are a thawed out muddy mess. A lot of the free wood is hardwood isn't it. One mile down the road from me there are hundreds of pine trees as big as the ones you are cutting that have been pushed over and no one wants them but we can't hardly give pine away around here.
I love running that 2171 jonsered it’s my favorite saw . Got 2 more big storms coming later this week that are going to dump a fair amount of snow . The tree guys tend to have more pine than hardwood but I’ve always taken it all .
I'd go with the Barkless but you're only getting four or five loads a year you're still going to have to go get free wood to keep up with how much you sell
Time and money......when I have money, I buy logs delivered, super easy. When I've got a lot of money tied up in log, my time gets invested instead. Either way, keep it coming 🔥
Free wood vs sawmill wood they both have their good and bad points one thing with the free wood you’re getting the hard wood to sell for dry wood and the barkless Pine, you’ll makeout better on too but the one thing that I can tell you that in the last 16 months in New Hampshire, we’ve had somewhere around nine sawmills go out of business so that’s something that might wanna keep in the back of your mind but what you were saying is all good points I still would do both. I take the free and with my own truck I pick up the ironwood and I pedal that off. Let us know what you decide but remember if those mills that you’re getting it from go out where will you be Great video great questions and again let us know what you find out. I’ll be watching for Friday, but as far as this video goes great job you two keep them coming. Have a good week and be safe week Lee Hillsgrove Trucking signing off 👍
I think if I had the saw logs I could sell all the 12 in wide pine I could make . Smaller boards the 8 and 6 in don’t sell very good for us . I think I’m going to keep my 2 best tree company’s an keep hauling there wood . I went an got a load yesterday and he pd me $50 for coming to get it , hard to beat that as it was all hardwood . I’m also gona try an get more loads of the barkless logs . The yeald on the bundle grade really makes it worth paying for them .
@ that’s what I’ve been doing for the last 42 years keeping as many doors open as possible some I don’t make as much as others, but it all balances out and so long as I can pay my bills lol thanks for getting back to me
It's a no brainer. Time = $$. Have it delivered. Also consider hiring a person to just go get the Tree Guys wood when you get that call. That way you have the best of both worlds. Great Video ❤💜
Would love to have someone pick it up and bring it to me but that would cost a lot more than me picking it up myself. We’re making out pretty well doing both so far. Thanks mom
I agree with your reasoning to get more of the barkless logs. What would also be interesting is if you could get a lead on loggers that do clearing jobs in your general area that want to sell firewood. Mostly that would be lower grade wood than the barkless logs, and you would have to factor in the transport costs as it is usually a bigger part of the cost. But both Chris from "in the woodyard" and Joe from "ohio woodburner" use these as their main supply. I personally think your time is worth more than you get out of hauling these trailer loads. Just do the math, you get maybe 2 cord per trailer at a cost of 3.5 hours and you can probably cut and split 4 or 5 cords in that time. Like Chris always says, time is the only commodity you cannot get back.
I think the barkless logs are a no brainer . As for hardwood everyone wants $150- 160 pr cord and that’s a loggers cord so it would take 9 cord to make 8 of what I sell . I have goten a few partial loads from my trucking guy but it’s tree service wood not the strait poles that bring top $ . I think I can work with the price I’m paying for it . Figuring in that if I’m not out driving to get a load and instead I’m splitting it should average out .
Gooooooooood afternoon guys . I use to get cull logs from Weyerhaeuser full of iron . After a while it was not worth the free price of time and chains . The best wood was cull post I use to could get . All pine and 4 way splits and go . I don’t sale a lot of pine here in NC . Mostly hard wood .
Been sometime since last on YTube, always great catching up on videos. I have to ask, what happened to Dana and S'more Firewood. Can't find his content anywhere. Hope all is well with you 2! Cheers 🪵🪓
Looking forward to the splitting race 😊 I'd say getting the truck loads would be better than the tree service wood, but it's hard to turn down free (plus costs of picking it up).
Really like getting the barkless pine but we’ll always take the free wood too. We’ll take advantage of being able to keep going in the woodyard while we’re working through this big pile
Pretty sure you guys already know which way is the most efficient. It's also way less aggravation. Just the ease of stacking alone would make up my mind. (if I stacked wood, that is)
Figure your time @ $100 per hour going to get wood. If you pay for wood to be delivered that gives you more time producing sellable wood. You will find yourself farther ahead and you'll get inventory built up faster and may be able to take a day and goof off.
A day off ??? You mean people take time off lol . I think ya $100 pr hr is spot on if ya add in the cost of the truck gas ins and pay myself $30 pr hr . Think I’m gona start doing more bought in wood .
Yes, the barkless pine has metal in it, but its luck of the draw if you hit is. The barkless makes a lot of nice bundle grade, which brings in $$$$. I think the barkless wood is the btter bang for your buck because you save on wear and tear on your truck and your time. Time is money! 😎
I’m thinking the same thing but the deal with the tree guys is I take it all pine , hardwood and sawlogs . I’m gona talk to them an see if they can find a guy to take there pine .
Get the peeled logs when possible, the not so free wood as a back up, you have to weight it and see, yes the saw logs are great, but how many do you get. Not an easy decision except it’s easier on you, Karen and your truck, trailer maintenance and fuel to buy peeled logs. Best advice ask Karen, as she is the brains in the outfit. lol cheers my friend.
The old saying is time is money. You can always make money but you can't make time. I owned my business for many years and it took me 15 of those years to realize one thing . If you follow this rule you will make the right choice every time . If you work more to make more you win but if you work more to make more than spend more you loose. Your looking at the right way.
@@AllenFamilyFirewood You can look at it this way your time is worth $65.00 an hour your equipment is worth $100.00 and hour and any works time is worth $30.00 an hour then add in $20.00 an hour for maintenance, then your fule of that equals $215.00 plus fule for every load you pick up then add in the loss of production on top. If that is a cord an hour then add in how many loads it will take you to equal one truck load of logs. I'm thinking up front you might put out more until the sales come in. You can always keep the self pick up for good saw logs that your not going to get from the mills and if the mills shut down. Your looking at thing the Wright way.
As far as all the shot chunks you should find some people with small pizza ovens we sell boxes and boxes of it that’s where I make $27,000 a year and pizza Greenwood those little one footers they love it
We advertised pizza wood once and didn’t get any calls . I think if we built another stand at all our locations an bagged up the chunks it would sell faster than we produce it . We had luck just advertising it as camp fire wood . We sell the split chunks for $50 pr tote if they come pick it up $100 if I have to deliver it . Sold about a dozen totes full last yr hopefully we sell more this year.
I got a feeling ole buster might stand a chance single wedge against single wedge but that all wood has a 4 way and a 6 way and would eat ole buster for breakfast in a production competition.
I’m putting my bet on Buster to be just a bit faster cycle time full stroke. And I’d say do it all. Never know when one way or the other of wood supply may slow up or end.
That is a loaded question. I am willing to bet you will never get a stick of cherry in your purchased load. Not to mention all of the free pallet logs you mill. I have watched you make some beautiful planks from the free wood as well. As well as the hardwood you sell from the jobs. Then there is also the quality time you get from time to time with your wonderful wife. If the 20% better yield will pay for all of that, then I would say you would be a fool to chase the tree service. But you can look at it a different way as well. If the sales from the free wood pays for everything including purchasing and processing the peeled logs, the 20% is no longer a fictitious number. But free profit. Otherwise the higher yield is eaten up by the cost of the logs and pallets. Not to mention the sales from the hardwood. You will be right back where you started! In short I would have to say keep doing both.
It’s a tough one . I think we’re gona keep getting the tree service wood for the hardwood and saw logs and keep buying the pine . I’m just not sure how it’s going to work out with the tree guys as I have always taken all of there wood . The more we upgrade the Woodyard and get better equipment the faster we are making wood so I think that eventually I will have to buy in more an more as we get more efficient.
Phil/Karen, y'all know I'm not in the firewood business. Just an interested viewer. But I think the physical/mental break you get when you go get the "free" tree service wood is beneficial. Yeah sometimes you might only get one or two saw logs. But when you do get them, Phil, your face lights up. So sure, buy all the mill log loads you can. But I don't think they can keep you fully supplied. (You pretty much said that in the video). Y'all take care. Come on Friday!
The tree service guys have been really good to me over the years so I won’t stop picking up the wood. But it’s a bonus getting these barkless logs delivered so I can’t complain
Haha the safety police are out there, sorry but I'm old school and ya it will probably bite me in the ass, I know, I know. Lol, clean the house, get food. 24 hours isn't enough 😅. Looking forward to Russ and Kevin joining the show.
I should do a video without the chaps on to see if there still watching lol . Gona be fun running that . If I lay down next to it when I run it it should be just like running buster lol.
Looking forward to the race. Is it Heath's 1 cord 2 guy challenge? Buster is fast but those allwoods. My money is on you guys. I'd definitely get b your 4 loads per year and still get the free wood lol. I want both! 😂. Great video
Me a buster had a chat and we have come to the realization that I’m the weak link so I won’t be doing the 1 cord challenge. When we did the 1/3 challenge it about did me in . That all wood is wicked fast especially with a 4 way or a 6 way , it also has the grunt to just send the wood through . I think I’m gona keep my best 2 tree company’s and start buying in more wood .
Phil, great video. The saying goes dam if you do & dam if you don’t. Watching how you process the mill logs & how much bundle wood you get out of each piece, I say purchase all you can from the mill. Free wood is good wood but how much is your time worth. Is Wiley’s Firewood bringing his new splitter down or did he stop on his way home last week? I think that All Wood splitter is about the fastest horizontal splitter around for a commercial splitter. TY Phil & Karen for the informative video. Dave from Maine.👍🇺🇸
@, oops, did I blow your surprise? Sorry if I did. I don’t think there is a Horizontal splitter in Maine as fast as the All Wood. I would love to see that one in action. Can’t wait for the video to be downloaded. As Joe @ OWB would say, Have a great day.👍 Dave from Maine.
I struggle to find wood to split. You struggle to keep taking free wood or buy beautiful barkless logs on the cheap😂 I say do both but just limit picking up tree service wood unless that will ruin your relationship with them! Tree service will also get you more varieties of species, cherry, oak and even saw logs there’s that! Those skinless logs sure do speed things up and get more profit at the end of the day? You also have to consider how many free tree service saw logs you have gotten a lot of sellable lumber out of and all the pallet wood you have made🤷♂️ Man I wish too much wood was my struggle like it is yours😂 Take care Phil and Karen👊🏻
I’m gona keep my 2 best tree guys that I pick up from and tell the rest no more pine but hardwood is ok . . Them barkless logs are the way to go for bundle wood I’m just not sure I can get enuf of it . By keeping the 2 tree guys I will still get a fair amount of the saw logs plus I have a few guys that bring loads of mixed wood here . I went an got a load the day before that was hardwood and he pd me $50 for coming to get it and it even had some cherry in there , can’t go wrong with that .
I think you should keep getting all the saw mill will let you have and then pick the other wood when it’s closer to you or try to set days you can get the wood that’s free. There is nothing for free my friend it all cost you
I’ll definitely keep getting the saw mill logs when they have them. I pretty much have to pick up the tree service wood when they have the job so it’s hard to make any kind of a schedule with them
Mr Phil I have always felt that people feel blue collar workers are only muscle and not brains. Suggest that you start at the result and work backwards, you and Mrs K need to know how much money you want to make per hour and then start running the numbers backwards including every business cost you spend to produce a cord of wood, keep shuffling those cost around till you can reach the per hour you are looking for. When I say business cost I mean every item you spend to the closest dollar. This means you need to keep very good records and keep running those numbers till they reveal the best combination, including where you acquire your raw produce, to get to the bottom line. I know you and Mrs K probably do much of what I have suggested but I often guessed, in my business, rather than take the time to do the work on the books. Thanks for the video!
Numbers don’t lie but it breaks every rule I’ve ever had about buying wood . My brain say free wood is the best but my wallet says buy it cause it’s gona make us more $
In an older video from Chris at In the Woodyard he calculated he makes more money per hour buying semi loads of logs vs getting free wood any distance away. The only time tree service wood is really free is if you get it delivered to your woodyard. As for the small amount of saw logs you get from tree services, I would find a local mill and get some of their mill rejects (not because of metal) and get those delivered. It might be more work to mill them if they are small or really crooked, but they still produce good lumber.
I think we’re going to be getting more an more of the log truck loads . For the price and time saved it just makes sence . I’m gona keep 2 of my best tree service guys an keep getting wood from them as well . I kinda like the break from the Woodyard every now and then when I go get loads . Hopefully they can get us more saw logs this yr for the mill .
I believe the video you are referencing maybe had more to do with actually felling and limbing plus loading not just show up at job site and get loaded.🤔
Square tree. There use to be a co-gen plant that produced steam with propane, but still bought hog fuel to burn for when the price of propane got too high. Options and diversity keep your customers.
I’ve never sharpened it . When Dana built it he had it so you could shave with it . It’s not that sharp anymore but it seems to cut right through the knots most of the time .
When we did fire wood we were whore’s we got tree service, land clearing wood ,we cut our own down and mill seconds . Most of our tree service wood we picked up at there yard sometimes they would deliver to us
lol I’ve always been a wood whore myself that’s why it’s hard for me to spend $ on buying wood but the numbers don’t lie . I think I make more splitting than driving to go get it . Gona try both this yr an see how it goes .
Exactly, we will keep taking both because the loads of barkless alone won’t produce all we need. We need the tree service wood for our hardwood and saw logs. Can’t put all our eggs in one basket
Well for me personally, I prefer buying a truckload. It’s not cheap, but it’s ready to go. Otherwise, I have to cut a tree down on my property, deal with all the branches and whatnot that won’t be used for firewood, haul it back to the splitter; whereas my logger will just park 9 cords right at the splitter and it’s go time. For me to cut down 9 cords and process it would take me a lot more time than it does him. I guess what I’m trying to say (badly) is that it’s faster and cheaper to buy 9 cords from my logger than it is for me to log my own trees.🌴
That’s a lot more work to have to cut them down than to just go pick them up. We’d never be able to do that. We’re really liking the barkless pine but we’ll continue to get the tree service wood also. It just makes sense with what we’re doing and what we need for wood
Definitely buying wood. You can make more profit I am sure. I got guy last year started bringing me loads of wood. If I kick him a 50 it saves me so much time over going getting it myself.
It truly does make more sense and ups production. But we can’t cancel out the tree service wood because we get our hardwood and saw logs from those loads. But we will hopefully be in a much better position with our bundle wood this season by getting the barkless pine delivered
@ I do all tree service wood. I need to find one more guy to bring wood to yard. Load logs here expensive plus I am on 1 acre lot so not tons room. I do it for exercise I go broke if it was for money. It all go towards equipment. Chainsaws splitter
Keep doing what you are doing get what you can for wood or you lose out on the saw logs and the other free wood which also brings in a income and you are limited on the amount of loads you can get of the bundle grade and you still get bundle grade from the tree service if it's not broken don't fix it
Phil and Karen I think you guys just keep things that work out best for the both of you Karen tell Phil that you’re going to go on strike for better wages because you’re doing three different jobs every day of the month 😮😊❤
That’s exactly what we’ll continue to do Todd. So far we’re ahead of where we were last year so that’s a good thing. Oh, Phil wouldn’t even listen to it…he only hears what he wants to hear lol. Welcome to my world! 😂🤪
Hey Phil you just got to THINK 🤔 SAFETY and always put SAFETY FIRST . remember just wear it for the U tube safety police 👮♀️ lol . Hey 👋 look 👀 like 👍 the old jonsered power house is out this morning my evening here . Don’t run nitro phil unless you got Donny walker heavyweight piston in it buddy . 😮
Without knowing what you pay for logs it’s hard to say but it seems you answered that question yourself. I wouldn’t limit myself to just the log truck deliveries and end up losing the other supplier either.
You said you can get 4 or more loads of barkless wood a year. Commit to it now and tie it up with lumber yard. As far as free wood it's never free unless they bring it to you and they unload it and it is free of metal. Most places in the south will not take any wood from a yard that is cut by a tree surgeon because of the metal probability. You spend less time with the barkless wood because it's cleaner wood. Remember the dirty wood you got last year? That was free. WRONG. money equals time in business so spend your time wisely. Your videos are great and informative. This one especially when you ask our opinion.
I don’t have the conection for the barkless logs it’s the guy with the log truck that has the contract with the mill . There is another log truck guy that I know that has a contract with a different saw mill but he wants $150 more pr load . I might just pay the extra to try a load if my reg guy can’t get more loads . It does make sence with the extra yeald we get from the saw mill logs .
I would stick with buying barkless pine remember you had 8000 bundles out of one stand. And you can have dry pine done early so no scrambling around for dry wood for bundles and anytime you don't have to leave the wood yard to stop production is a good thing
I completely agree with you but the barkless pine loads are limited so I’ll have to keep getting the tree service wood. I’m just going to take advantage of any loads I can get delivered. So far we’re ahead of where we were last year so the plan is to not run out of dry bundle wood this year. We’re working like crazy so that doesn’t happen again
Once you stop taking free, it's probably gone forever. Everyone is always looking for free and the relationship with the tree service is probably gone. Based on your business growth, stay with both. Like you said, you can't get a steady supply from the mill. Then what?
As far as bundle grade that’s your grading I make $27,000 in here just taking care of pizza restaurants so campgrounds don’t care if it’s bundle grade or if it’s campfire grade they just want wooden your campfire I think what it is is you’re trying to have nice clean wood and bundle bags which if you can make profit fine you got a figure all the work you’re doing is it really worth it I would just do the camp firewood and go with that
With the cost of going to get the free wood the cost of delivering it that would leave me about $100 pr day if I just did pine bulk wood . The pine bulk wood is a looser for me but we need to get rid of it . The bundle wood makes me double that and bulk hardwood pays just a lil more . Hard to make a buck on wood here in Maine that’s why I run the sawmill an do stump grinding . I should focus more on stump grinding as that pays me $1300 pr day but I like doing the firewood
Never. The barkless pine loads are really nice but I’d never give up on the tree service wood. That feeds us hardwood and sawmill logs to turn into lumber. It’s been something we’ve tossed around though. Just trying to stay the most productive we can
Be careful once you give up the tree guys and you just strictly by office on Mel’s gonna find somebody else to take it and you’re gonna lose out so I would do both and stick with the way you’ve been doing at some times it’s not all about how much profit you can make it’s about available today if you have it when people want it you will sell it if you don’t have it there’s another guy around the corner that’s gonna sell it faster I’ve been doing this shit feels since I was 15 I’m gonna be 68 years old and we’re produce in well over 100 cords of wood this year and I don’t have any fancy equipment watch so ever
I’m gona keep letting the tree guys drop it in the yard for free but I’m gona cut back to my 2 best tree guys that I pick up from . I’m definitely not gona put all my eggs in one basket . I’m more just trying to be more productive with my time. If we did just one thing like bulk hardwood or just bundles it would be easier to figure out .
Absolutely Bob. There are costs involved with both tree service wood and buying in loads of logs. Bottom line the more time we can spend in the woodyard processing it is time better spent
Almost certainly better to get peeled logs as you get more high grade bundle wood without the bark and less low grade and waste. Then if you factor in your time, direct cost of fuel and wear and tear on your vehicles …. it will more than pay for itself before you consider the fact that you are already out of stock to sell so you need to be spending time on production not driving. “An amateur spends time to save money, a professional spends money to save time”. 🏴
I think ya right my brain says get the free wood but my wallet says buy it . If I wasn’t out picking up loads we could certainly up our production by quite a bit.
i am on the buying logs camp. You can scale way better and be more productive. Transportation and cleaning are not value added activities witch won't reflect to the bottom line. if you can get productive logs witch streamlines the process i am all for it. For your scale and how big you are chasing wood is lost oportunity to make more wood for summer.
Phil I go to TIM , your getting grade pine 🌲 logs 🪵 own thing there a pc of metal in them . Could get a metal detector scan your own metal . Phil it way less money 💴 buy a 100’ chainsaw chain them buying chain made up 🆙. I see at my chainsaw dealer 100’ roll is own $256.35 last wk .
My saw shop treats me extremely well when it comes to buying chains . I could save $2 pr chain if I made it myself but it would take yrs at $2 ea to buy the equipment to build them myself not to mention the time to build them .
We definitely will keep buying it. It’s making us more productive but we’ll keep getting the tree service wood too. With that we get our hardwood and saw logs
I operated in several states. We purchase most of the wood we process. We use firewood processors. You get uniform cuts in whole trees/Saw Logs. With Tree Cutter wood you get what you get.
I had a tree service for a lot of yrs so I’m used to that type of wood . Last yr we did 150 full cord . To buy in tree length strait poles it’s $150-160 pr cord . I can haul 2 cord on my trailer but I don’t always get full loads . So I always figured I was saving $300 when I went an got a load but take out the gas , insurance, pay myself an figure the cost of the truck an trailer I’m not saving that much and I’m loosing time that I could be making wood so I here ya on buying the wood . We’re gona try doing both this yr an see how it all works out in the end .
You ask a question that you’ve already answered for yourself. However, buy your bark less pine loads and then be even more selective on your tree service wood. The reason I say that is because from what I understand, you’re only buying pine - not hardwoods. If you wish to come across the occasional saw log, you’ll have to go through tree service. If you want to keep your hardwood customers, you’ll have to get tree service. Just be selective.
Well said Mark and you’re exactly right It’s a challenge keeping all the bases covered with bundle wood to firewood to lumber It’s all selling so we’re trying our hardest to keep producing it all no rest for the wicked lol
Can’t do that on the bulk pine so many guys selling it for $150 pr full cord delivered . We get the $100 a face a more fore our bulk hardwood and the bundle wood . The bulk pine is a looser for us but we have to get rid of it
I can’t wait to see all the splitters in action, guys. Well done.
Good morning Phil and Karen
Morning Larry
I initially thought Fridays never before seen video was going to be Phil cleaning out his truck.
lol should do a video on just that ha ha . Gona take all day to clean that truck at this point . Maybe next crappy do I will pull it in the shop an get started .
Time is so very important in the firewood business I ended up buying all my wood it was delivered I did not have wear and tear on my truck and trailer but I did not have a saw mill as you do. I was doing 50 tri-axle loads per year and I needed good pole wood for the processor every ones firewood business is different and you have to do what is best for your operation. stay safe and keep that thumb out of the way
Your right time is key . Just hard to wrap my head around buying wood but numbers don’t lie so we’re gona try doing things a lil differently this yr . Free wood is like a drug lol hard to give it up but I’m going to slowly ween myself off of it by buying in loads . Should give me more time in the Woodyard to be making wood .
Hello Phil and Karen. The time you waste traveling to get the free wood, the loss with trimming the bark off and the clean up of all the waste tells me you are better off getting the barkless wood. You can still pick up free wood when the other stuff isn’t available. Maybe you can charge more for the metal infused wood because the metal will carry higher heat for a longer time. Thanks for another good video
Good evening Phil and Karen 😊.
Good evening Leonard!
You need more of both free is great but buying wood is good too. What you are doing is working great
Both ways are working really well for us Arne thanks for always watching
Sounds like to me that you need to keep getting both since you are limited on the saw mill wood😢😅
That’s what we think too. The barkless pine is really good for our bundle wood but the tree service wood gives us our hardwood and saw logs
For the size of operation you guys have the barkless loads would be the way to go for camp wood, but from the way you said, Phil, i don't think you will get enough to make it through the year for sales. I'd say go get the tree service wood when you can. It would be nice if their jobs were a little closer. I haven't personally purchased any logs, but i don't have the sales nor the operation you guys have. At least 80% of the wood I've gotten over the last year, tree service guys have brought it to me. 😁 They save a little money from no having to pay dump fees at the landfill. Anyways, keep up the great work! 👍
I belive I can get more loads from another guy but he’s a lot more expensive. I might just buy one load an see if it works out . Every yr we get more efficient and need more wood so I’m gona have to start buying in loads . I think my time is better spent in the Woodyard but I’m gona keep 2 of my best tree guys that I pick up from . I do have a few guys that bring it to me like you and I like that as long as they don’t dump a load of junk that I have to haul off .
Looking formal to your collaboration with russ. As for the wood when you include saw logs it sounds like some of both options is the best. See ya on the next one phil and Karen
I think we’re gona keep the 2 best tree company’s . I went an got a load yesterday and he gave me a $50 bill for coming to come pick up the wood . Hard to say no to that . Hopefully we can get more loads of that barkless logs it’s the. That Al wood is gona be fun to play with .
It’s up to you Phil, I’m not in the firewood business but I have watched you for a long, long time and I am somewhat familiar with your operation. If it was me I would rather someone deliver logs to me and pay the extra cash just for the convenience alone. Have you ever calculated the cost for fuel, tires, wear and tear on your trailer, and your time plus the liability and risk involved towing a trailer load of logs down a busy highway. And your time has to be worth plenty, I’m sure when you two are producing firewood together it’s worth at least 1 Benjamin an hour? Free wood is nice, but it’s far from free, unless they deliver. Just my 2 cents worth Phil, your videos are great. 😊
Oh yeah the backless pine delivered is way more beneficial to us. But we’ve calculated the cost Togo pick up the tree service wood and we’re not ahead of the game there but it gives us our hardwood that we sell for heating wood and also the saw logs that we produce lumber with that sells for a premium price. A lot of pieces to the puzzle and I think we need all of it to keep thriving and keeping our business growing
@@AllenFamilyFirewood what is the cost of buying hardwood delivered vs two people picking up free wood as your man hours are actually double the 2-3hrs required.?
Sawmill rejects can be fun have a lot of cool souvenirs on the wall in the shop. Looking forward to the all wood bs buster. Big wood makes nice bundle grade.
Found a lot of neat stuff in trees over the yrs lol . Just heading out now to go do Fridays video . Should be a fun day it’s 8 degrees out .
@ it’s 0 here currently was 10 at midnight
I have done both over the last few years, and it seems to work out well for me.
For my free wood from the time i leave the house and get back, I am gone 2.5 to 3 hours, and i have little over a half cord cut and split.
I dont think that's too bad of a trade-off.😉👍
Ain’t nothing wrong with that . I’m spending that much time just to go get a cord or 2 and then I still gota cut an split it .
It's all a good deal. Figure out a way to streamline stacking and bagging and you have a gold mine. Taking a ride gives you some time to think and make plans.
Been reading through comments and it sounds like not much is going to change but I would also say that if you can only get 5 or 6 loads of the bark less at the price you want, you’ll have to keep picking up the free stuff. Either way, you’ll run the risk of metal especially in homeowner yard wood (that isn’t tagged at all). Maybe consider keeping the travel distance shorter? 2 hour round trip travel seems a bit excessive. Not sure if that will kill the free wood altogether, but it’s worth considering. I guess it boils down to the need at the time. Keeping a good relationship with the tree service guys is important but so is your time. And don’t forget, sometimes a little windshield time is good for your sanity!
Couldn’t have said it better! All true points. Honestly when it’s 80 degrees and humid in the summer it’s not so bad to hop in the air conditioned truck and go for a ride to get wood. Thanks for your thoughts!
Definitely buy all the reasonably priced sawmill reject loads. Even 4-5 loads a year @ 80% yield for bundle wood is huge. Buying good quality raw materials is the best way to focus on your products and maximizing your profits… Firewood production is a prime example of “garbage in garbage out”
That’s the plan . The yeald is so good on the sawlogs compared to tree service stuff . I might even pay a lil extra to get a load from another guy I know . The deal with the tree guys is I take it all hardwood and pine so they might not be happy if I don’t take the pine .
@ take it all. Just can’t pass up the quality opportunity from the sawmill logs.
Phil and Karen it’s a shame that blue couldn’t help out in the wood yard 👍looks like things are going pretty well for you guys in the wood yard so far 😮😊❤
Things are going pretty well Todd. We sure wish Blue could help too! lol
I think you need both The bark less logs are pine. But you need hardwood too. And the backless logs are in short supply. Ideally paying somebody to pick up the free stuff would be an alternative.
We definitely need both Steve. We’ll probably keep picking up the tree service wood as I think paying someone to haul it would cost us more. But we’ll be examining that too to see if it would work. One thing at a time, right now we’re focused on producing wood and getting it stacked up for drying. Building that inventory
@@AllenFamilyFirewood Perhaps it does not require two people to pick up one load of free wood! either that or pay someone else.
I have one further comment and I am sure not one you want to hear. The two of you cannot keep up this seven day a week frenzied pace and remain healthy and productive forever. You need help with something, even a part timer looking to keep busy. And Phil wanting more stands puts more strain on the process (you struggled to service the stands you had last summer!!!!). I love watching your videos but it is hard to watch the overworking at times.
I would buy the debarked wood when it was available. And still get the tree service wood when it's not to far away.
That’s exactly what we’re going to do. Can’t put all our eggs in one basket and we need both. Sure is nice having it delivered though and we’ll take full advantage of it
Looking forward to Friday splitter race with Phil and Karen. Nice video keep on keeping on.
Thanks, should be interesting!
Hope Russ and Kevin are all over the sickness. Should be a good show
We shall see Bob lol we agreed no hugging haha
phil what i did almost 10 years ago with tree service wood was if they bring out a almost full load in either their dump trucks or dump trailers I give them 25 bucks.. now thst im away from the wood yard up north i have them click a pic of the load and a pic of it dumped and I cash app em. they like it cause it pays their gas or diesel to my place and yes when i have the opportunity i buy logs from mills and loggers. farmers are my biggest suppliers but i go get it.. but im set up for it too. a 40 ft triple axel 9 ton axel trailer i pull with an old kenworth semi. but alot of tree service wood goes in my burn hole cause some aint worth dealing with like crotches ..just buzz em out and toss em.
If I had a log truck or a self loading trailer I could have more wood than I could possibly use . The crane guy produces 10-15 cord a week yr round but I’m no good at fixing stuff and them log trucks need lots of maintenance. I just don’t want all my eggs in one basket so I’m gona try a few new things this yr an hopefully not make the wrong decision.
Hello guys I found out this year just for me I went and cut trees for my self and had wood delivered and I never ran out of wood but the wood that was delivered was from my logging buddy it wasn't the greatest it all clean up from a logging job. I made do Time to process the wood is the key. Thank guys
I’m learning that time spent in the Woodyard makes us more $ than out driving to get free wood but I like the change up . We’ve goten a few partial loads of hardwood from the log truck and it’s all tree service wood but the price is right .
You are making me miss my Jonsered. Those are some good-looking logs. That metal would really mess up a sawmill..They break your heart when you hit them with a chainsaw too. You guys now have the snow and cold and we are a thawed out muddy mess. A lot of the free wood is hardwood isn't it. One mile down the road from me there are hundreds of pine trees as big as the ones you are cutting that have been pushed over and no one wants them but we can't hardly give pine away around here.
I love running that 2171 jonsered it’s my favorite saw . Got 2 more big storms coming later this week that are going to dump a fair amount of snow . The tree guys tend to have more pine than hardwood but I’ve always taken it all .
I've used the one that's coming to your woodyard already it's a lot of fun feeding it that's for sure
I'd go with the Barkless but you're only getting four or five loads a year you're still going to have to go get free wood to keep up with how much you sell
I see you was in one of the videos . I just don’t have much experience on a horazontal but I do like fast .
Time and money......when I have money, I buy logs delivered, super easy. When I've got a lot of money tied up in log, my time gets invested instead. Either way, keep it coming 🔥
Exactly. That’s just the way it works. The key is to keep it all moving and keep increasing our production. Thanks!
Free wood vs sawmill wood they both have their good and bad points one thing with the free wood you’re getting the hard wood to sell for dry wood and the barkless Pine, you’ll makeout better on too but the one thing that I can tell you that in the last 16 months in New Hampshire, we’ve had somewhere around nine sawmills go out of business so that’s something that might wanna keep in the back of your mind but what you were saying is all good points I still would do both. I take the free and with my own truck I pick up the ironwood and I pedal that off. Let us know what you decide but remember if those mills that you’re getting it from go out where will you be Great video great questions and again let us know what you find out. I’ll be watching for Friday, but as far as this video goes great job you two keep them coming. Have a good week and be safe week Lee Hillsgrove Trucking signing off 👍
I think if I had the saw logs I could sell all the 12 in wide pine I could make . Smaller boards the 8 and 6 in don’t sell very good for us . I think I’m going to keep my 2 best tree company’s an keep hauling there wood . I went an got a load yesterday and he pd me $50 for coming to get it , hard to beat that as it was all hardwood . I’m also gona try an get more loads of the barkless logs . The yeald on the bundle grade really makes it worth paying for them .
@ that’s what I’ve been doing for the last 42 years keeping as many doors open as possible some I don’t make as much as others, but it all balances out and so long as I can pay my bills lol thanks for getting back to me
Nice video nice job. Sunday was my birthday
Thanks Ralph. Happy birthday friend! Hope it was a good one!
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It's a no brainer. Time = $$. Have it delivered. Also consider hiring a person to just go get the Tree Guys wood when you get that call. That way you have the best of both worlds. Great Video ❤💜
Would love to have someone pick it up and bring it to me but that would cost a lot more than me picking it up myself. We’re making out pretty well doing both so far. Thanks mom
🤭🤭🤭. Too many mountain dews this morning Phil. ?? 🤭🤭
Boy those square tree make splitting easy. Should grow more of them
They grow all over the place up here! 😂
I agree with your reasoning to get more of the barkless logs. What would also be interesting is if you could get a lead on loggers that do clearing jobs in your general area that want to sell firewood. Mostly that would be lower grade wood than the barkless logs, and you would have to factor in the transport costs as it is usually a bigger part of the cost. But both Chris from "in the woodyard" and Joe from "ohio woodburner" use these as their main supply. I personally think your time is worth more than you get out of hauling these trailer loads. Just do the math, you get maybe 2 cord per trailer at a cost of 3.5 hours and you can probably cut and split 4 or 5 cords in that time. Like Chris always says, time is the only commodity you cannot get back.
I think the barkless logs are a no brainer . As for hardwood everyone wants $150- 160 pr cord and that’s a loggers cord so it would take 9 cord to make 8 of what I sell . I have goten a few partial loads from my trucking guy but it’s tree service wood not the strait poles that bring top $ . I think I can work with the price I’m paying for it . Figuring in that if I’m not out driving to get a load and instead I’m splitting it should average out .
Gooooooooood afternoon guys . I use to get cull logs from Weyerhaeuser full of iron . After a while it was not worth the free price of time and chains . The best wood was cull post I use to could get . All pine and 4 way splits and go . I don’t sale a lot of pine here in NC . Mostly hard wood .
I seem to hit iron in one outa 10 logs so that’s not to bad . I find a fair amount of iron in the tree service wood also .
Been sometime since last on YTube, always great catching up on videos. I have to ask, what happened to Dana and S'more Firewood. Can't find his content anywhere. Hope all is well with you 2! Cheers 🪵🪓
Both free wood and by wood
I don’t like all my eggs in one basket so that’s probably what we will do
so are we
Looking forward to the splitting race 😊 I'd say getting the truck loads would be better than the tree service wood, but it's hard to turn down free (plus costs of picking it up).
Really like getting the barkless pine but we’ll always take the free wood too. We’ll take advantage of being able to keep going in the woodyard while we’re working through this big pile
Pretty sure you guys already know which way is the most efficient. It's also way less aggravation. Just the ease of stacking alone would make up my mind. (if I stacked wood, that is)
Figure your time @ $100 per hour going to get wood. If you pay for wood to be delivered that gives you more time producing sellable wood. You will find yourself farther ahead and you'll get inventory built up faster and may be able to take a day and goof off.
A day off ??? You mean people take time off lol . I think ya $100 pr hr is spot on if ya add in the cost of the truck gas ins and pay myself $30 pr hr . Think I’m gona start doing more bought in wood .
Where did you get that rock bucket from and do you remember the cost?
Yes, the barkless pine has metal in it, but its luck of the draw if you hit is. The barkless makes a lot of nice bundle grade, which brings in $$$$. I think the barkless wood is the btter bang for your buck because you save on wear and tear on your truck and your time. Time is money! 😎
I’m thinking the same thing but the deal with the tree guys is I take it all pine , hardwood and sawlogs . I’m gona talk to them an see if they can find a guy to take there pine .
@AllenFamilyFirewood that is smart! If you give up one, you gotta give up all, and also, like you said, the sawlogs are nice to get for "free"
Get the peeled logs when possible, the not so free wood as a back up, you have to weight it and see, yes the saw logs are great, but how many do you get. Not an easy decision except it’s easier on you, Karen and your truck, trailer maintenance and fuel to buy peeled logs. Best advice ask Karen, as she is the brains in the outfit. lol cheers my friend.
We are definitely gonna try that and see how it works . Karen will let me know real fast if I start spending more than I’m making lol .
Buy all the barkless rejects from the mill that you can get and if you need more, go get the tree service stuff as needed.
That’s exactly what we plan to do. I can’t turn down the tree guys though they’ve been really good to me over the years
The old saying is time is money. You can always make money but you can't make time. I owned my business for many years and it took me 15 of those years to realize one thing . If you follow this rule you will make the right choice every time . If you work more to make more you win but if you work more to make more than spend more you loose. Your looking at the right way.
I like ya way of thinking I just need to convince myself that buying wood is the right thing to do .
@@AllenFamilyFirewood You can look at it this way your time is worth $65.00 an hour your equipment is worth $100.00 and hour and any works time is worth $30.00 an hour then add in $20.00 an hour for maintenance, then your fule of that equals $215.00 plus fule for every load you pick up then add in the loss of production on top. If that is a cord an hour then add in how many loads it will take you to equal one truck load of logs. I'm thinking up front you might put out more until the sales come in. You can always keep the self pick up for good saw logs that your not going to get from the mills and if the mills shut down. Your looking at thing the Wright way.
As far as all the shot chunks you should find some people with small pizza ovens we sell boxes and boxes of it that’s where I make $27,000 a year and pizza Greenwood those little one footers they love it
We advertised pizza wood once and didn’t get any calls . I think if we built another stand at all our locations an bagged up the chunks it would sell faster than we produce it . We had luck just advertising it as camp fire wood . We sell the split chunks for $50 pr tote if they come pick it up $100 if I have to deliver it . Sold about a dozen totes full last yr hopefully we sell more this year.
Do both. 😀. Chip /TN
We are! Thanks Chip
Oh that darn green all wood must be showing up get buster to teach it a lesson lol single wedge to single wedge of course
I got a feeling ole buster might stand a chance single wedge against single wedge but that all wood has a 4 way and a 6 way and would eat ole buster for breakfast in a production competition.
@AllenFamilyFirewood yes but that's not a fair comparison he needs to use the single wedge lol
Get all of the barkless pine you can get. Also all of the free you can get unless it's a long ways from you. Old Arkie
That’s exactly what we plan to do. It just makes sense
All depends on how good the bull sessions are
lol well them trips to get wood also help mix up the videos and I’ve been known to shoot the bull for quite a while lol .
I’m putting my bet on Buster to be just a bit faster cycle time full stroke.
And I’d say do it all. Never know when one way or the other of wood supply may slow up or end.
That is a loaded question. I am willing to bet you will never get a stick of cherry in your purchased load. Not to mention all of the free pallet logs you mill. I have watched you make some beautiful planks from the free wood as well. As well as the hardwood you sell from the jobs. Then there is also the quality time you get from time to time with your wonderful wife. If the 20% better yield will pay for all of that, then I would say you would be a fool to chase the tree service. But you can look at it a different way as well. If the sales from the free wood pays for everything including purchasing and processing the peeled logs, the 20% is no longer a fictitious number. But free profit. Otherwise the higher yield is eaten up by the cost of the logs and pallets. Not to mention the sales from the hardwood. You will be right back where you started! In short I would have to say keep doing both.
It’s a tough one . I think we’re gona keep getting the tree service wood for the hardwood and saw logs and keep buying the pine . I’m just not sure how it’s going to work out with the tree guys as I have always taken all of there wood . The more we upgrade the Woodyard and get better equipment the faster we are making wood so I think that eventually I will have to buy in more an more as we get more efficient.
Phil/Karen, y'all know I'm not in the firewood business. Just an interested viewer. But I think the physical/mental break you get when you go get the "free" tree service wood is beneficial. Yeah sometimes you might only get one or two saw logs. But when you do get them, Phil, your face lights up. So sure, buy all the mill log loads you can. But I don't think they can keep you fully supplied. (You pretty much said that in the video). Y'all take care. Come on Friday!
Very true Clell, but Phil doesn’t even know what a mental break is. He has one speed…GO! Lol Friday should be interesting!
I think it depends on what you like doing. Friendship with the tree service guys is worth something.
The tree service guys have been really good to me over the years so I won’t stop picking up the wood. But it’s a bonus getting these barkless logs delivered so I can’t complain
Haha the safety police are out there, sorry but I'm old school and ya it will probably bite me in the ass, I know, I know.
Lol, clean the house, get food. 24 hours isn't enough 😅.
Looking forward to Russ and Kevin joining the show.
I should do a video without the chaps on to see if there still watching lol . Gona be fun running that . If I lay down next to it when I run it it should be just like running buster lol.
@@AllenFamilyFirewood I did notice the lack of safety glasses but I didn't say anything. 😉🤪😁
Chris in the woodyard is always more either way more is my answer 23:05
Bingo! Always more lol
Looking forward to the race. Is it Heath's 1 cord 2 guy challenge? Buster is fast but those allwoods. My money is on you guys.
I'd definitely get b your 4 loads per year and still get the free wood lol. I want both! 😂. Great video
Me a buster had a chat and we have come to the realization that I’m the weak link so I won’t be doing the 1 cord challenge. When we did the 1/3 challenge it about did me in . That all wood is wicked fast especially with a 4 way or a 6 way , it also has the grunt to just send the wood through . I think I’m gona keep my best 2 tree company’s and start buying in more wood .
@AllenFamilyFirewood at our age we are the we link.
Phil, great video. The saying goes dam if you do & dam if you don’t. Watching how you process the mill logs & how much bundle wood you get out of each piece, I say purchase all you can from the mill. Free wood is good wood but how much is your time worth. Is Wiley’s Firewood bringing his new splitter down or did he stop on his way home last week? I think that All Wood splitter is about the fastest horizontal splitter around for a commercial splitter. TY Phil & Karen for the informative video. Dave from Maine.👍🇺🇸
@@DaveDunehew-e1f he’s bringing it down for a play date with buster an axis
@, oops, did I blow your surprise? Sorry if I did. I don’t think there is a Horizontal splitter in Maine as fast as the All Wood. I would love to see that one in action. Can’t wait for the video to be downloaded. As Joe @ OWB would say, Have a great day.👍 Dave from Maine.
I struggle to find wood to split. You struggle to keep taking free wood or buy beautiful barkless logs on the cheap😂 I say do both but just limit picking up tree service wood unless that will ruin your relationship with them! Tree service will also get you more varieties of species, cherry, oak and even saw logs there’s that! Those skinless logs sure do speed things up and get more profit at the end of the day? You also have to consider how many free tree service saw logs you have gotten a lot of sellable lumber out of and all the pallet wood you have made🤷♂️ Man I wish too much wood was my struggle like it is yours😂 Take care Phil and Karen👊🏻
I’m gona keep my 2 best tree guys that I pick up from and tell the rest no more pine but hardwood is ok . . Them barkless logs are the way to go for bundle wood I’m just not sure I can get enuf of it . By keeping the 2 tree guys I will still get a fair amount of the saw logs plus I have a few guys that bring loads of mixed wood here . I went an got a load the day before that was hardwood and he pd me $50 for coming to get it and it even had some cherry in there , can’t go wrong with that .
I think you should keep getting all the saw mill will let you have and then pick the other wood when it’s closer to you or try to set days you can get the wood that’s free. There is nothing for free my friend it all cost you
I’ll definitely keep getting the saw mill logs when they have them. I pretty much have to pick up the tree service wood when they have the job so it’s hard to make any kind of a schedule with them
Mr Phil I have always felt that people feel blue collar workers are only muscle and not brains. Suggest that you start at the result and work backwards, you and Mrs K need to know how much money you want to make per hour and then start running the numbers backwards including every business cost you spend to produce a cord of wood, keep shuffling those cost around till you can reach the per hour you are looking for. When I say business cost I mean every item you spend to the closest dollar. This means you need to keep very good records and keep running those numbers till they reveal the best combination, including where you acquire your raw produce, to get to the bottom line. I know you and Mrs K probably do much of what I have suggested but I often guessed, in my business, rather than take the time to do the work on the books. Thanks for the video!
Numbers don’t lie but it breaks every rule I’ve ever had about buying wood . My brain say free wood is the best but my wallet says buy it cause it’s gona make us more $
In an older video from Chris at In the Woodyard he calculated he makes more money per hour buying semi loads of logs vs getting free wood any distance away. The only time tree service wood is really free is if you get it delivered to your woodyard. As for the small amount of saw logs you get from tree services, I would find a local mill and get some of their mill rejects (not because of metal) and get those delivered. It might be more work to mill them if they are small or really crooked, but they still produce good lumber.
I think we’re going to be getting more an more of the log truck loads . For the price and time saved it just makes sence . I’m gona keep 2 of my best tree service guys an keep getting wood from them as well . I kinda like the break from the Woodyard every now and then when I go get loads . Hopefully they can get us more saw logs this yr for the mill .
I believe the video you are referencing maybe had more to do with actually felling and limbing plus loading not just show up at job site and get loaded.🤔
@@iffykidmn8170 Maybe so. Regardless as Phil pointed out to get 1 trailer load of logs from that tree service is a 3 hour round trip.
@@bwillan Yep! does not help that 2 of them go to pick up one load of logs.
Square tree. There use to be a co-gen plant that produced steam with propane, but still bought hog fuel to burn for when the price of propane got too high. Options and diversity keep your customers.
Very true. Yes those square trees grow all over the place up here 😂
How often you sharpen your wedge? Or does it sharpen itself as you split? 😊
I’ve never sharpened it . When Dana built it he had it so you could shave with it . It’s not that sharp anymore but it seems to cut right through the knots most of the time .
I take it Russ from Willeys firewood is coming to town?
That’s the plan
When we did fire wood we were whore’s we got tree service, land clearing wood ,we cut our own down and mill seconds . Most of our tree service wood we picked up at there yard sometimes they would deliver to us
lol I’ve always been a wood whore myself that’s why it’s hard for me to spend $ on buying wood but the numbers don’t lie . I think I make more splitting than driving to go get it . Gona try both this yr an see how it goes .
In spring you going to get Lost wood well done
We’re hoping we’ll be in a great position to start out our bundle season. Fingers crossed lol
If you only get 4 barkless wood a year is that enough to keep you in bundle wood my opinion I would take both
Exactly, we will keep taking both because the loads of barkless alone won’t produce all we need. We need the tree service wood for our hardwood and saw logs. Can’t put all our eggs in one basket
Do all three, more wood is better.
Well for me personally, I prefer buying a truckload. It’s not cheap, but it’s ready to go. Otherwise, I have to cut a tree down on my property, deal with all the branches and whatnot that won’t be used for firewood, haul it back to the splitter; whereas my logger will just park 9 cords right at the splitter and it’s go time. For me to cut down 9 cords and process it would take me a lot more time than it does him.
I guess what I’m trying to say (badly) is that it’s faster and cheaper to buy 9 cords from my logger than it is for me to log my own trees.🌴
That’s a lot more work to have to cut them down than to just go pick them up. We’d never be able to do that. We’re really liking the barkless pine but we’ll continue to get the tree service wood also. It just makes sense with what we’re doing and what we need for wood
Definitely buying wood. You can make more profit I am sure. I got guy last year started bringing me loads of wood. If I kick him a 50 it saves me so much time over going getting it myself.
It truly does make more sense and ups production. But we can’t cancel out the tree service wood because we get our hardwood and saw logs from those loads. But we will hopefully be in a much better position with our bundle wood this season by getting the barkless pine delivered
@ I do all tree service wood. I need to find one more guy to bring wood to yard. Load logs here expensive plus I am on 1 acre lot so not tons room. I do it for exercise I go broke if it was for money. It all go towards equipment. Chainsaws splitter
Keep doing what you are doing get what you can for wood or you lose out on the saw logs and the other free wood which also brings in a income and you are limited on the amount of loads you can get of the bundle grade and you still get bundle grade from the tree service if it's not broken don't fix it
Very true. We’ll definitely continue getting both and hopefully we won’t run out
Phil and Karen I think you guys just keep things that work out best for the both of you Karen tell Phil that you’re going to go on strike for better wages because you’re doing three different jobs every day of the month 😮😊❤
That’s exactly what we’ll continue to do Todd. So far we’re ahead of where we were last year so that’s a good thing. Oh, Phil wouldn’t even listen to it…he only hears what he wants to hear lol. Welcome to my world! 😂🤪
Seems you need both since you stated in another video your about out of wood.
We do need both. The barkless pine loads delivered are nice but that is limited and doesn’t serve all needs for firewood, lumber, etc
Hey Phil you just got to THINK 🤔 SAFETY and always put SAFETY FIRST . remember just wear it for the U tube safety police 👮♀️ lol . Hey 👋 look 👀 like 👍 the old jonsered power house is out this morning my evening here . Don’t run nitro phil unless you got Donny walker heavyweight piston in it buddy . 😮
Just a bone stock 2171 so no need for the go go juice . I never owned safety gear till I started UA-cam lol now I have it all .
You need a Mingo marker to mark 16" rounds
I’ve always used a stick and I probably always will. It just works for me. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks lol
Without knowing what you pay for logs it’s hard to say but it seems you answered that question yourself. I wouldn’t limit myself to just the log truck deliveries and end up losing the other supplier either.
Right. I’ll always get the tree service wood but these loads of barkless pine being delivered sure is nice.
You said you can get 4 or more loads of barkless wood a year. Commit to it now and tie it up with lumber yard. As far as free wood it's never free unless they bring it to you and they unload it and it is free of metal. Most places in the south will not take any wood from a yard that is cut by a tree surgeon because of the metal probability. You spend less time with the barkless wood because it's cleaner wood. Remember the dirty wood you got last year? That was free. WRONG. money equals time in business so spend your time wisely. Your videos are great and informative. This one especially when you ask our opinion.
I don’t have the conection for the barkless logs it’s the guy with the log truck that has the contract with the mill . There is another log truck guy that I know that has a contract with a different saw mill but he wants $150 more pr load . I might just pay the extra to try a load if my reg guy can’t get more loads . It does make sence with the extra yeald we get from the saw mill logs .
Good looking wood can't give pine away here too many oak snobs and they won't pay over 50 a face cord so I just burn all of my wood
We’re fortunate we can sell all the pine we can produce to the campers
I would stick with buying barkless pine remember you had 8000 bundles out of one stand. And you can have dry pine done early so no scrambling around for dry wood for bundles and anytime you don't have to leave the wood yard to stop production is a good thing
I completely agree with you but the barkless pine loads are limited so I’ll have to keep getting the tree service wood. I’m just going to take advantage of any loads I can get delivered. So far we’re ahead of where we were last year so the plan is to not run out of dry bundle wood this year. We’re working like crazy so that doesn’t happen again
It all depends on how much you value your time I think I'd have as much delivered as possible
I agree with you 100% on that. I’d rather spend more time in the woodyard processing than driving but we’ll have to do both.
Once you stop taking free, it's probably gone forever. Everyone is always looking for free and the relationship with the tree service is probably gone. Based on your business growth, stay with both. Like you said, you can't get a steady supply from the mill. Then what?
Exactly John. We’ll always continue to get the tree service wood. Never want to put all our eggs in one basket
As far as bundle grade that’s your grading I make $27,000 in here just taking care of pizza restaurants so campgrounds don’t care if it’s bundle grade or if it’s campfire grade they just want wooden your campfire I think what it is is you’re trying to have nice clean wood and bundle bags which if you can make profit fine you got a figure all the work you’re doing is it really worth it I would just do the camp firewood and go with that
With the cost of going to get the free wood the cost of delivering it that would leave me about $100 pr day if I just did pine bulk wood . The pine bulk wood is a looser for me but we need to get rid of it . The bundle wood makes me double that and bulk hardwood pays just a lil more . Hard to make a buck on wood here in Maine that’s why I run the sawmill an do stump grinding . I should focus more on stump grinding as that pays me $1300 pr day but I like doing the firewood
@@AllenFamilyFirewood so kind of like a hobby.
If you are limited to 4/5 loads I would say do both so you don’t run out
That’s exactly what we’ll be doing. I’m just going to be spoiled having to go back to splitting pine with bark on it lol
I think it's a no brainer
It really is. We’ll do both because that’s what keeps us going
Course like you say there's the saw logs also, maybe do both, if that makes sense
Don't bite the hand that feeds You!!!!
Never. The barkless pine loads are really nice but I’d never give up on the tree service wood. That feeds us hardwood and sawmill logs to turn into lumber. It’s been something we’ve tossed around though. Just trying to stay the most productive we can
8-minute cord of split firewood?
Noooooo! lol I’m running a single wedge it’s fast but
Be careful once you give up the tree guys and you just strictly by office on Mel’s gonna find somebody else to take it and you’re gonna lose out so I would do both and stick with the way you’ve been doing at some times it’s not all about how much profit you can make it’s about available today if you have it when people want it you will sell it if you don’t have it there’s another guy around the corner that’s gonna sell it faster I’ve been doing this shit feels since I was 15 I’m gonna be 68 years old and we’re produce in well over 100 cords of wood this year and I don’t have any fancy equipment watch so ever
I’m gona keep letting the tree guys drop it in the yard for free but I’m gona cut back to my 2 best tree guys that I pick up from . I’m definitely not gona put all my eggs in one basket . I’m more just trying to be more productive with my time. If we did just one thing like bulk hardwood or just bundles it would be easier to figure out .
Barkless Saw mill logs make sense in time, money and bundle grade wood but figure on destroying a few chains at $30 +
Absolutely Bob. There are costs involved with both tree service wood and buying in loads of logs. Bottom line the more time we can spend in the woodyard processing it is time better spent
I think it is more profitable to have it all delivered
It definitely is. But those loads are limited so we have to do both. Hesitate to put all our eggs in one basket
Almost certainly better to get peeled logs as you get more high grade bundle wood without the bark and less low grade and waste. Then if you factor in your time, direct cost of fuel and wear and tear on your vehicles …. it will more than pay for itself before you consider the fact that you are already out of stock to sell so you need to be spending time on production not driving.
“An amateur spends time to save money, a professional spends money to save time”.
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I’m in the pro-am market where I make money to spend time
I think ya right my brain says get the free wood but my wallet says buy it . If I wasn’t out picking up loads we could certainly up our production by quite a bit.
i am on the buying logs camp. You can scale way better and be more productive. Transportation and cleaning are not value added activities witch won't reflect to the bottom line. if you can get productive logs witch streamlines the process i am all for it. For your scale and how big you are chasing wood is lost oportunity to make more wood for summer.
Delivered would be better I think.
Phil I go to TIM , your getting grade pine 🌲 logs 🪵 own thing there a pc of metal in them . Could get a metal detector scan your own metal . Phil it way less money 💴 buy a 100’ chainsaw chain them buying chain made up 🆙. I see at my chainsaw dealer 100’ roll is own $256.35 last wk .
My saw shop treats me extremely well when it comes to buying chains . I could save $2 pr chain if I made it myself but it would take yrs at $2 ea to buy the equipment to build them myself not to mention the time to build them .
if u get 8 cords a load then buy it. most i get is 7 from my guy.
We definitely will keep buying it. It’s making us more productive but we’ll keep getting the tree service wood too. With that we get our hardwood and saw logs
Free wood?
I operated in several states. We purchase most of the wood we process. We use firewood processors. You get uniform cuts in whole trees/Saw Logs. With Tree Cutter wood you get what you get.
How much firewood did you process getting that "free wood" during those 20 hours??? How many bundles did you delivery in those 20 years?
Some times it does work out to go after "free wood" if it is Cooking Wood - Cherry, Oak, or Maple. For Pine, Hemlock, Spruce, Tamarack, or Fir - not.
I had a tree service for a lot of yrs so I’m used to that type of wood . Last yr we did 150 full cord . To buy in tree length strait poles it’s $150-160 pr cord . I can haul 2 cord on my trailer but I don’t always get full loads . So I always figured I was saving $300 when I went an got a load but take out the gas , insurance, pay myself an figure the cost of the truck an trailer I’m not saving that much and I’m loosing time that I could be making wood so I here ya on buying the wood . We’re gona try doing both this yr an see how it all works out in the end .
You ask a question that you’ve already answered for yourself. However, buy your bark less pine loads and then be even more selective on your tree service wood. The reason I say that is because from what I understand, you’re only buying pine - not hardwoods. If you wish to come across the occasional saw log, you’ll have to go through tree service. If you want to keep your hardwood customers, you’ll have to get tree service. Just be selective.
Well said Mark and you’re exactly right It’s a challenge keeping all the bases covered with bundle wood to firewood to lumber It’s all selling so we’re trying our hardest to keep producing it all no rest for the wicked lol
Time for a metal detector
It would help some but the hand held ones only detect down into the log 4 inches from what I have read .
Don’t get loaded with the guys stick to Mountain Dew you will do better 😊
A drinker I am not so no fear of that lol . I’ve had a 1/5 of captains in my freezer for 5 yrs now an it’s only half gone .
You need make 100 a face np matter what even pine
Can’t do that on the bulk pine so many guys selling it for $150 pr full cord delivered . We get the $100 a face a more fore our bulk hardwood and the bundle wood . The bulk pine is a looser for us but we have to get rid of it