Yeah, when he started off saying he'd not even had an engine light, then said £1500 per year to extend warranty more than paid for itself, I knew something didn't add up.
At least he was honest, he could have pretended that nothing really went wrong and left it at that. He presented it how he sees it, it's for the buyer to decide if it's a car for them or not. Also the 14K is not repairs. That includes all he's running costs, regiration, fuel, servicing, tyres etc etc.
Bet you wouldn’t have been so chirpy if that warranty hadn’t of paid out for the screen and turbo. People forget that even second hand, your running a £100k car and have to accept the associated costs as they age. Having said that, those running costs are the same as a decent mortgage payment. But as long as you’re enjoying it, and off setting the bills, fair play. Man has to spend money on something.
I will get an amazing car once I have paid got a mortage and paid it off but until then the most important thing is owning my own home. This is why most people don't get these flashy cars until they are middle aged.
£14k running costs for 20k miles, my word that’s expensive to run. If it’s so much a great car why are you selling it on your website? Good advertisement for the sale though.
@@Anonymouseys I think his point is quite valid. Replaced turbo, windscreen and lower control arms throughout yet thinks it faultless lol. and laughable the best car in the world 🤣..
Never sure whether you are trying to convince us or yourself mate . Those running cost by anybody’s standards are horrendous. I’ve had Land Rovers and they really, really do go wrong,but if you can put up with that then you are right in one respect,they are great things to drive ,you’ve just got to be prepared to spend your hard earned to keep it going.
i've owned older discoveries and defenders for years and the ones i have had just didn't break other than when i made mistakes in self servicing them, cocked up a cambelt change on one which then snapped, even that was cheap and easy to fix, rest has all just been servicing costs, discs, pads, oild filters shocks etc.. all consumables.
I agree, only driven it for 20K (from 52K to 72K) and he had problems with windscreen/defroster, suspension, gear box service and turbo leak of £ thousands? And £120 for ONE after-market bulb? Granted he didn't have to pay thousands from his pocket as he took out extended warranty, but all those things did break down one after another and cost you time and money. This is neither cheap nor reliable by any standard.
We only live once so I have driven older jags, mercs, amgs and repaired as I have gone along. My journey will have been a good one, but if you insist on spending the same money for a vw in cloth with manual seats then we're just on different roads. I wish some people would just man up and take the courage to at least try to drive something nice without worrying all the time.
I have always spent a decent amount on cars over the years probably too much a few times but never regretted it as enjoy driving. After owning saloons estates SUV's, I'm preferring the new hot hatches that have come out over the last few years they come packed with all the mod cons but drive so much better and just makes for a more engaging experience.
I did! A mint '07 s/c vogue...68k when i bought it 2 years ago, awesome car, 98k price tag new....can see why, no squeaks, rattles, had to replace discs an pads, thats it0
Another great video. I would be interested to see what the comparison would be on leasing a brand new one and then having none of the repair costs and extra warranty costs etc and see what the difference is all in.
I've owned my L405 V8 for over 4 years. My only costs (other than fuel, road tax & servicing) are 4 tyres & one rear light cluster, which got damaged whilst parked. That's it. It's also started to increase in value. Can't go wrong.
Very interesting - thanks. As an owner of a two year old one, I agree with everything , except one point - the three litre engine is fine. It has all the power and performance you need and is surprisingly economical. No need for the V8.
I got my D4 around the same time as you and your RR (March last year for me) and, for just about the first time owning a car, I have pretty much 0 desire to change it. Nothing out there really catches my eye, outside of a Velar, and I feel no need to change it. Plus, of course, with the PanaCov flu going around, everything has suddenly been 'adjusted'. Up... The D4 did need a gasket changing, at around $670 or so, but that's it. Starts first time, runs sweet, drinks like a fish (SC V6 petrol), fits everything and still looks the part when arriving at places. And long may it last.
I totally agree Matt, I had a range Rover Vogue SE supercharged for a number of years and it was in a different class to any other vehicle that I’ve owned. It is the best & gave a driving experience like nothing else on the road.
There’s a cracking episode of Always Sunny In Philadelphia all about driving a brand new Range Rover it’s well worth a watch its hilarious 😂 Truly are the most complete cars on the road. You can show you have more money and get a Bentayga but you’d also be telling everybody that you like overpaying for stuff and have more money than sense. Range Rover is the king 👑
I’ve had my 2015 Vogue SE for 7 yrs, done 65,000 miles with very few issues. Spent no more than around £2.5k over that period with the exception of new tyres, break pads, servicing etc. Go off-road as well in it.
No more than 2500 wow thats not a good thing. For a car woth that original high purchase price they should be bulket proof for 100000 miles. 2500 over 7 years is horrendous
I have one too and not had any problems after 87,000 miles. Mine is the TDV6 which is powerful enough and I get almost 600 miles on one 86 litre tank of diesel! Quiet, comfortable, safe and fitted with General AT3 tyres, which last over 50,000 miles and the ability to go almost anywhere...mine is regularly used off-road. Most problems occur when the car is not maintained or used (battery/electrical issues result). Service costs and road tax is expensive - but less than a Bentley, which is inferior.
Owned a 2015 RR L405 3.0 TDV6... The only thing i had issue with was the particle filter, had to get it cleaned twice as it went into limp mode without actually giving me a warning. Apart from that i loved it
Current l320 owner, two inlet manifolds and EGR valves after three months of ownership, if you still can’t appreciate them at their worst. You don’t deserve to drive them at their best. (Goodwin,2020)
Haha paying road tax in NL almost feels like theft. I also live in the Netherlands and have a ‘10 E350cdi which costs 180 per month/2160 per year. It happens🤷🏻♂️
Really interesting where you set the bar on ‘reliability’: I’ve just completed 70,000 miles (80-150k) in a 59 reg Volvo XC70 with 3 services, one broken spring, a cambelt scheduled change, a broken washer bottle, a set of tyres and two headlamp bulbs. That’s ‘normal’ to me after 15 or so years of Volvos and Saabs! Would have run a mile tbh from the list of faults you describe on the Range Rover! 😀
So would most people thats a normal level of wear and tear for the type of car you just mentioned. I had a VW Golf mk4 2003 model bought in 2008 with 180k miles by 2019 it had 257,000 miles and in that time it had a new battery, two new wiper motors, a new radiator which was not the fault of the car but more the brick that hit it after flying off the back of a skip. It had a new rocker cover gasket which was not essential but helped stop it leaking 0.5l of oil every year and was cheap. Other than that it has just had normal wear and tear stuff. The big weakness on that car was the wiper motor and that was only £70 a pop. It had its original springs, original clutch and original battery until 2015 the car just wore really well. It also had one cambelt in that time but I consider that under to be under wear and tear.
So the car that's never gone wrong has had a leaky turbo, faulty windscreen, control arms and a few other bits. People have a brand loyalty to LR, they are great cars to drive but for the money, they could do better on reliability.
I have a Honda CRV that's had to have suspension bits every MOT and other odd bits wrong for the last 3 years. Find me a car that is maintenance free. They don't exist and they all add up.
I'm amazed at how well the L405s have been holding on to their value. Land Rover truly moved the needle forward when they engineered this. To me, it's an aspirational model along the likes of a Bentley CGT and I look forward to owning one in the near future.
Don't take into account the last 12 months - used car prices across the board are mental at the moment due to a general shortage of materials/components for new cars
I’d love a LR but I’m always conscious of the running costs (and that goes for all big cars not just a gorgeous LR) but at least watching you videos means I can still dream. Love all your videos, keep em coming 👍🏻
Agreed, would love one and maybe £14k maintenance/repairs against a car of this value is a 'good deal', but to me it's still one hell of a lot of money! Clearly I'm not quite in the financial position yet as some people!
@@justjosh11 Me too, I'd love one but nearly 14 grand! If you take off the cost of fuel over the 20000 miles then the maintenance costs still amount to approx £9700 which for just 20000 miles is an extortionate amount of money. Appreciate that there's a set of tyres in that bill but my god that's a crazy sum. Considering ownership of five years, for me anyway, at 12000 miles per annum, 60000 over five years, my maintenance bill could potentially be nudging 30 grand. I'll pass thanks 🙃
Bloody Hell! That review started so well, great car…cannot fault it! Best car money can buy! And then the costs…and they just keep coming, and coming, and coming. (I don’t think that is normal for most modern cars).I put 110K on my brand new 730d a few years back (all warranted and standard service with biggest cost brake discs and pads at £700) My best tip here, based on those sorts of costs would be to lease a brand new one for three years and then give it back before it all goes a bit pear shaped!!! Once had a neighbour that loved his Range Rover too, then one day he realised it was quite expense to run, his words ‘more than his house’ I thought it was a very honest review, and also think the Full Size RR is a great product, apart from…….yep reliability.
Not a single thing for me to add here, this man has concisely and precisely said it all. On the button with the 4.4 SDV8, and once you have had one, thats it, these beasts are the business. My mate bought a brand new X7, very fancy, lots of electronics, (not that much in it in terms of cost an maintainance), but still not a patch on the RR as an overall package. I'm not going to tell you to sell the mrs (or mr), or sell the kids or a kidney and get one (I AM!!)... but if you can get one.... G
Very helpful Matt. I was amazed how expensive it was to run. Try a Lexus 450h. I have the 400h. I am somewhat surprised at your fuel economy. Yes they are lovely cars only if you can really afford to run them. Horses for courses.
We have the 450h 2013 had for a few years now. 27 mpg town 33 motorway. Other cost include (I think ) £155 road tax and service around £400. On that note the service at lexus is second to non. In lockdown the collected and dropped off the car from 30 miles away without charge. Recently they lent my wife a brand new on to go shopping while the car was serviced. It's not as good looking as the range rover, not as nice although the new on is better but crucially it works! Every time without fail never misses a beat even the suspension components have no issue on a very heavy car that is now ageing. ..then again we all went for the pretty girl knowing she would be trouble !
Matt, amazing content. I’m watching every video. We are moving back to the UK (North West) in the next few months and High Peak Autos will be our first and only stop for our first car for the move home and all cars in the future. Class content - keep it up
One thing that wasn't highlighted is that quite a few of these costs won't need to be paid again for some time. Sounds like most things have been done to keep it tip top, I wouldn't be surprised if the next 12 months was less than £5k for the year inc everything and possibly a lot less
Like I said in a previous post, our 200k LR Discovery 2 TD5 is driving spot on and over it's life has had very little spent on it. Of course I totally get that it's old tech but it's still a comfortable ride. Overdrive kicks in at 53mph so just set the cruise control and sit back. It always gets us there. Unlike your Range Rover the TD5's suspension has never failed, the turbo is still original, road tax is around £300, fuel consumption is 30 on a run. We paid £6,000 for it 15 years ago and got 90k miles out of the first set of tyres. I think it's the cheapest car I have ever owned and I am not going to change it for one like yours.
I’m extremely jealous.. Not of the car, but that you were able to drive along that road to the town without getting stuck behind a Honda Jazz doing 27mph in the 40 zone 🤪🤪
This is what first drew me to your channel a couple of years ago. Just about every other UA-camr were trashing Range Rovers. You give hard facts and not opinions from those who haven't owned one. Yes, they could be more reliable, but an interview with the CEO not too long ago indicated that reliability is something they're really striving toward right now. I bought a slightly used Classic in the 1990's and then, after it was 13 years old, got a P38 and have had it for 20 years. Divide the total cost by 20 years and it's not too bad. Still running great!
Full size range definitely the best car ever. Not the quickest or most fun or even most luxurious. But the way it takes care of you with it’s road presence and style nothing can match this Even my grandad switched to RR Autobiographys since 2018 after owning several s classes Bentleys and rollers over the prior 20+ years
I love how the warranty is £1500 per year because they know you’ll use it. My 12 month warranty for my 10 year old Lexus ISF is £469 per year from Lexus.
Been looking forward to this. I love em, I’m on my second L322 (after buying a lemon with my first but I need to tow a horse box out of muddy fields, and there’s nothing better) My current car is also a4.4 TDV8, and so far is running beautifully. I’ll replace it eventually, hopefully with an L405. Maintain it properly and stick v power in it occasionally and it’s as reliable as anything else.
I do not, as a rule, like Land Rover products much - they have a totally justified reputation for poor reliability / build quality (and that goes for Jaguar as well / JD Power survey etc). The running costs you have outlined seem catastrophic on the surface however these are what? 70 or 80k cars new? so even when second hand they will still have 80k car running costs. I know you said this was really reliable but the litany of things you then went on to detail was rather a lot. With all that said I can still see the appeal to a point, they waft magnificently and are a commanding driving position/presence on the road with supreme comfort etc. Boring old world if we all liked the same things eh? :D
The overall costs may seem catastrophic, but all cars need fuel, tires, servicing, MOT's, warranties. If you took those costs out then the running costs aren't bad for a vehicle of that size. The list of actual things that have gone wrong outside of that isn't bad at all. The difference in running costs between this and a BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne or an Audi Q7 isn't a great deal, and they're also not the most reliable cars either!
I've always believed good maintenance is the key to keeping a car healthy and reliable. People can't be arsed to wash their cars properly and moan about rust.
Yep I wash my car all the time and it's amazing what you can come across, paint chips, tyre kerb damage, just the little things that can lead into larger things. My mate came round with his Range Rover and we went out for a drive, I could hear a wheel bearing so got home jacked up his car and found front wheel bearing and worse a split inner tyre down to the wire. He got it sorted straight away and said thank god I spotted it. Those are the sort of things when you wash your own car you can spot.
@@andrewphillips2349 That's why drivers in the military have to wash their own vehicles, be it a land rover or a main battle tank, you get to spot future problems and can fix them before it becomes a pain in the arse. Out of the two I drove the tank but have seen the blanket stackers washing lesser things ;)
2:16 Clever main beam .... I absolutely HATE it. My car has it and, it seems, do most other cars on the road. I have to turn it off and I wish others would as well. The dipping is not quick enough and anyway, I prefer to do it myself.
Just did my undercarriage Axel Control arm Sway bars All tallied 250k miles L322 2009 super charged Jag engine...2 weeks to wait for auto body repair Got to live in one to really understand the deep connection..it's not just utilitarian..im.a musician .its a lifestyle being on the road.. wouldn't want anything else
Well, great video. If anything it’s cemented my feeling, I could never buy anything that costs so much to run. Forget fuel and tax, that’s just a factor of the engine. The warranty and costs are crazy money for me. £900 for a service - what did that cover? Heated windscreen failure - why should it fail? Nobody ever replaces the one for the back windows. £1500 for a 12m warranty is £125 a month to know if something big goes bang they’ll pay for it. Meanwhile you’re still paying for new suspension arms and cv boots after how many miles? Gear box service is sound thinking.
The filament is extremely fine in the front screen so you can't see it (otherwise it'd block your view forward), so inherently, they are quite fragile. A stone chip can easily damage it. Rear filaments are much more robust.
As someone who was always quite sceptical about the quality of cars that actually roll out of Halewood, I've actually become quite fond of idea of owning something jaguar land rover. So cheers Matt!
I just picked up a 2006 Range Rover HSE for $1,000. It has 195,000 miles on it (and some meathead cut off the catalytic converters). But I found a pair for sale on eBay, they should be here on Friday. Air suspension works (but the right side might have a slow leak), leather interior is in good condition, satnav and radio all work. They originally wanted $1500, but I talked them down to $1,000. They agreed to sell it to me for that, when someone else was 10 minutes away with $1,300... just because I was there first. This is my first Land Rover, and second vehicle (my first being a 2007 Ford Fusion that I talked the seller down to $700 from $1,000). I was able to get both cheap because they had some things the sellers didn't have time or patience to fix. yet were relatively simple fixes. I can't wait to take it out once the cats get installed.
ZombiePotatoSalad, just a word of advice. If you are intending keeping it for more than 5 minutes get the air suspension swapped out for coil springs. You can get the kit online along with ecu. Then if you aren't mechanically minded get one to install it for you. You will literally save yourself thousands. Air suspension system is absolutely rubbish and still continues to be even in latest models
Being in the trade for 20 plus years, Ive had most of the rivals cayenne, x5, x6, various sports, full fat rangies etc. Had my fingers burnt on the last range I had. Ace suspension fault. The pick of the bunch for me is the Q7. Amazing build quality, great engines, air suspension and 7 seats. Nothing would get me out of this one so far. My sentiments for the Q7 are as yours with the rangie. It’s amazing at everything. Apart from maybe it’s sheer size.
I’ve just bought a 2018 Q7 Vorsprung and I was nodding along to the comments on effortlessness, comfort, making long trips feel like shorter ones etc. I test drove a few things and looked at a lot but the Q7 seemed a good bet for me and my tall kids and the mix of family trips it needs to support
quite good tbf, harsh ride, more so on m sport with runflats, turbo issues will occur around 90/100k if it’s not had on time servicing all its life. I’d go with the single turbo 3.0 d over the twin turbos for reliability.
The big mistake people make is thinking they can run cars like this on a budget. I own an F10 BMW M5 and don’t do the mileage you do but excluding fuel but including servicing, tyres, road tax and BMW warranty etc it costs me £250 per month.
I understand that some cars are more reliable than others but really it all comes down to maintenance: you look after your Range Rover and don't skimp on servicing hence it does run well and doesn't brake.
We had this conversation about selling my Autobiography and swapping it, some months ago. I still have it as, like you, when scrolling through pages of cars online, I can’t figure bud anything that is better!! Like you, I’ve looked at A8, S8, Spurs etc etc and nothing compares!! I usually get bored and want to try something new but after owning an L405, you have nowhere else to go! Even a newer one is a hard purchase as it’s hard to justify the money for basically the same car! Ah well - 1st world problems 👍🏼😂
The problem is, people who can't afford them buy these cars, run them on a shoestring, are surprised when it goes wrong and they can't afford to have them repaired properly. My 2010 L322 has done 112k miles, just spent £850 at a specialist getting it all hunky-dory again after being off the road for a year, and it's perfect! It's like children really - if you can't feed em, don't breed em. If you can't afford to maintain it, don't buy it. Simple.
They aren't cheap to keep and like the Land Rover Disco's you either love them or hate them. Personally I am in the former category. Best snow and off road vehicle I've found and I punish mine! Got a new Autobio RR ordered!
Good maintenance is the key. Personal experience has suggested to me, that the people claiming they’re unreliable, are the same people that don’t maintain their vehicles, or will know, because a friend of a friend’s half-cousin’s boyfriend, said so.
Great honest review Mat, think your going to rub people up the wrong way, with a positive review of a LR vehicle, it's really not what UA-cam people want. Keep it up 👍
In the grand scheme of things and considering you purchased the warranty too the price of ownership over the 20k is dam good. I've always said look after the car and it will look after you.
I just can’t understand why such a “premium” brand is so unreliable in comparison to much cheaper cars. You’d think the opposite to be true. My old Skoda cost me £500 in actual repairs over 200k miles, I’d be terrified owing a RR.
It’s because what isn’t on it can’t break. And these cars have a bunch of things on them as that with a bunch of weight and needing to get low emissions makes it complex and more straining than on a 1000kg shit box with manual everything.
An honest"warts and all" video, so nice one. If you want a luxury car you have to pay luxury prices, it's really not that complicated. I saw an '07 Range Rover in Leeds city centre last week, painted matt black (clearly a home brew job), the 'dude' had the driver window down with the elbow out (of course he did, no chance the air con would be working) thinking he looked cool. I'm a reserved chap but found myself shouting "sh*t paint job mate" as he drove by. He looked hurt and disappointed. The moral is clear, don't cheap out on a luxury car. It doesn't work. People will call your car sh*t. Harsh but true. Here ends the lesson.🙏
I am so desperate for Range Rovers, especially for the original "big" ones. Sometimes I "regret" that I am a japanese car fan and sometimes I really sit in my Lexus and think: hmm maybe one day when i get older, I really should try a RR. So, I absolutely understand owners thinking the same as you about their Range Rover. Thank you for posting, again. :)
@@Frostakasilk I appreciate cars. At 35 I bought my BMW 6 Series coupé (E63, LCI), then at 39 I purchased my Mazda MX-5 (NC1). When I turned 45 I created my MSCC (most special car combo) by purchasing a Jaguar XF (X250, LCI). So I've had these three special cars for a couple of years and intend to keep them for long. I've never had an SUV, only sedans/saloons, coupés and convertibles, but if I considered one, I'd definitely shortlist an RRS and a Velar.
Insurance and depreciation should probably be included in the cost per mile. That warranty appears to be paying for itself. Well done on the garage on quibble-free fixing of things.
well not much is depreciating now but a comparison must be relative to the alternative you'd buy it's not a zero sum calculation unless you intend to buy nothing.
I purchased my 63 plate 4.4v8 SE with 28K on the clock direct from Landrover Lincoln. After the 2 years warranty expired I purchased another 2 years from Landrover at a cost of around £3K. I sold it after 5 years and apart from a near side headlight that was replaced under warranty, nothing ever went wrong with it. I sold it with 78K on the clock and its the best car I have ever owned. Averaged 35mpg. Loosing my job through Covid made me get rid of it, nothing else. I have no car at the minute but when I can, it will be another RR without question. You really do get what you pay for. 4 of my mates have RR for 5 years plus and they too have had absolutely no issues what so ever.
£14k over just 18mths!! That's horrific. They say love is blind and you've proved this right. Looks amazing and probably makes you feel like a King driving it around but it's a money pit. Buy a Land Cruiser or Hilux instead. Better off road and infinitely more reliable.
Got agree one fine car to drive , my HYUNDIA Santa fee manual 09 brought new , covered 124,000 miles , 1 set of tyres at 70 k miles and the service costs . Still on the original discs and pads . Replaced under warranty 2 roll bar bushes and 1 seat switch . There We Are Then .🤔
I really like these and the Evoque but have always been afraid of the constant negativity they have for reliability and the cost of any potential repairs.
I decided the V8 was not for me very happy with the 3 litre except I did not realise it had a cambelt which was replaced at 7 yrs 90000Km. Plenty fast enough for this old man who does not tow anything these days. i agree must get the gearbox oil changed even though not advised by Landrover is needed, did so on my previous series 3 and never had a problem.
Apart from double glazing, my M4 has all of the things you mentioned in the first 6 mins. £210 for the ZF 8 speed gearbox service is too cheap. ZF lifeguard 8 oil and a new sump with filter is over £300 on it’s own.
I'm a very low mileage driver, I bought a Chevrolet Cruze station wagon when Chevrolet exited the UK market and the car was £7999 down from about £17k with the paint it had. I've only done about 14k miles over about 8 years. I've just had minor servicing and mot costs. Nothing has gone wrong and I'm still on the same battery and tyres. It's probably cost me about £2k a year in total I guess including insurance and vehicle excise duty and the cost of the car shared out over the 8 years. I can get about 50mpg on a long run and about 30mpg for around town driving with I guess 35mpg average. So I've probably spent about £2.5k in fuel. I purposely choose a simple car with a simple non turbo petrol engine and manual gearbox because I'm a low mileage driver so wanted a car that would age well. It's got air conditioning and a great stereo and loads of carrying capacity. Despite the Chevrolet name its more a Astra Sports tourer but made by the GM Korea factory (used to be Daewoo factory). I'm probably the other extreme of running costs. Still find the latest cars very interesting but happy with my car. I'm more into bicycles to be honest. I've had cars that were problematic though, I had an early Seat Ibiza before VW bought the company and a VW Golf with some issues. A Vauxhall Vectra with electrical gremlins. I also had a Ford Mondeo which was bought for peanuts but lasted many years and a Toyota Avensis. I've also had 3 different BL Mini's and those were problematic but always very cheap to repair. Something about the old mini's I really love. I think I just resent spending money on cars nowadays. There are always more interesting ways to spend my money for me.
Fair enough. I quite liked the Cruze when they were launched. I'm around cars all day long, most of which break so I just try and drive whatever I like and suffer the running costs.
We have a Range Rover velar, it’s a fantastic car had it two years and never let us down , so comfortable as well , even thinking of upgrading to the sport or the vogue . I don’t believe any of this hype about them been unreliable, simply not true , probably the best car we’ve ever owned .
We have a Skoda karoq and after 20k miles we replaced a windscreen wiper blade, oil change service and one set of tyres - total cost less than £750 and we get 40 miles to the gallon on average. Need we say more?
@@HighPeakAutos no that is true but also it won’t depreciate by 50k - 70k + (for a new one) over that 7 years either. Whilst we accept the range rover is overall more comfortable and more versatile off road for sure - one does have to ask what is the purpose of a vehicle and for general road travel we would every time prefer a brand new karoq/kodiaq or similar over a 7 year old Range Rover - on cost grounds - on reliability grounds and on depreciation grounds. If money is no object fair enough - but for interest just take a look at what Warren Buffet drives and Bill Gates - we can’t just help but feel that people buying old large luxury vehicles are doing so just to try and give an impression of wealth when in reality these vehicles are money pits - no disrespect. Your 20k review was excellent and honest but you said not much went wrong well compared to our 2year old karoq one hell of a lot went wrong.
lexus ct 200h genuine costs for 20k miles. depreciation £0(actually gone up in value despite higher mileage!), road tax £0 repairs £0 tyres/brakes £0 (regen means brakes last 100k miles) clutch/gearbox fluid/belts £0 (doesn't have these items) oil service + MOT £100. petrol for 20k miles £1730 (65mpg on 16 inch wheels).wiper blades £18 total cost £ 1848. total cost/mile 9p/mile
I had one for about 12 months /10,000 miles. They're great cars. My ML head unit broke which was covered under warranty thankfully otherwise that wouldve cost around £1500. They're certainly cheap to run and tax but they're not very spacious. They're very slow. And it gave me a bad back.
@@HighPeakAutos Absolutely, this is the newer version with the softer suspension, and the real trick! get with 16 inch wheels not 17, looks worse but drives much much better
LR main dealers are clairvoyant. The way they spot invisible problems is unnerving - and strangely - usually very expensive. The cars are amazing, the dealership less so.
Glad you have had fun and enjoyment I wont have one and the reason is reputation and I am not talking about the Car Its a Favorite with drug dealers and criminals When it was launched it was a Gentleman's car its not anymore its bling also puts me right off
What about the depreciation Matt (apologies if this has been asked already in the comments)? I imagine this will make the cost per mile a little higher… Still love the L405 though and great video as always.
I believe that the biggest depreciation comes after they come out of warranty after 4 years. After that, it depreciates at a steady pace, but not at a crazy rate.
Fantastic Vlog. I'm like your self regarding Land rover products, never had a problem. I personally found that most people that slag them off, have never owned one. Its usually a mate of there's had one and nothing but trouble, or, a guy down the pub has had nothing but trouble pmsl.
I agree, I've had range rovers for 40 years now, the last 4 being brand new. All have been properly maintained and all have stood the test of time without any major problems. I've always loved them.
@@HighPeakAutos I understand, as I do enjoy sitting in a LC100 knowing I won't have to call my mum for a ride home. Great content though, always a laugh
We took a L322 TDV8 from 50-162k miles. I wouldn’t say the running costs were excessive, reliability was fine. Excluding battery drain (have the biggest NOCO boost pack you can find, in the boot) we had one total breakdown (fuel pump) over the ten years. I know a number of high net worth individuals and they don’t even think about it and just buy the latest Range Rover. My fantasy five car garage always has one in and I would love another one day. I changed the oil, via the two drain plugs, every 10k, never touched the gearbox (didn’t tow) and she was on original turbos.
Whean a turbo 'leaks' it is almost never a failed turbo: the cause lies downstream with a faulty cat or a DPF. Eventually the turbo will fail by overheating and clogging internally.
just spat my brew out when you said £120 for a bulb, great video I can see the appeal but I am to much of a tight arse for range rover ownership and not into fake tan 😀
I'm guessing it was Xenon bulb and they're really expensive, even on my previous car (an Audi A4) it cost £105 but on the plus side they last a lot longer than normal bulbs, around 4 to 5 yrs and are much brighter.
Great vid Matt. I bought my 2015 SDV8 VSE last November. Love every journey. Only issue i've had was a coolant leak, covered by JLR warranty. Something I have asked them to look at though is a slight rattle/tinny noise between 1900-2700 revs under load. No diagnosis or fix though. I've been told 'they all do that'. Does yours?
@@HighPeakAutos haha, thanks for the respose, I'll screenshot it and use it as an authority when I go back to them - "Matt says his car doesn't do it!" Keep up the great content! 👏
Those costs are completely scary. I like Range Rovers but if that is the price to pay for as little as 20k then no thanks, so yes this has been helpful, lol.
Great to hear Matt! Unfortunately Range Rovers do have the odd "naysayers" I've driven a couple of L405s and can confirm they are amazing mile munchers!
We all do truly appreciate your experience and seasoned advice from buying and selling multiple used vehicles and what comes with buying used! I always tell people if you want no issues with a vehicle purchase...BUY NEW. but i doubt anybody wants to stomach a 0 mile fully loaded range L460 SV at $220K USD LOL so buy new buy depreciated at 75% or better and enjoy all the bells and whistles of a 5-7 year vehicle!
The best most reliable car I have ever had
Reels off a list of 27 issues costing about 14k lol
That's what being in love is like.
Cognitive bias, presenting as buyers justification. For 14k I'd sell him a whole 968 and it won't depreciate.
Yeah, when he started off saying he'd not even had an engine light, then said £1500 per year to extend warranty more than paid for itself, I knew something didn't add up.
At least he was honest, he could have pretended that nothing really went wrong and left it at that. He presented it how he sees it, it's for the buyer to decide if it's a car for them or not. Also the 14K is not repairs. That includes all he's running costs, regiration, fuel, servicing, tyres etc etc.
@@aleks0001 So what are we not going to act like £14k isn't extremely steep for running one of these?
You've convinced me, I'll sell my diesel Yaris for one. 👍
Yaris has more road presence.
Bet you wouldn’t have been so chirpy if that warranty hadn’t of paid out for the screen and turbo. People forget that even second hand, your running a £100k car and have to accept the associated costs as they age. Having said that, those running costs are the same as a decent mortgage payment.
But as long as you’re enjoying it, and off setting the bills, fair play. Man has to spend money on something.
I will get an amazing car once I have paid got a mortage and paid it off but until then the most important thing is owning my own home. This is why most people don't get these flashy cars until they are middle aged.
£14k running costs for 20k miles, my word that’s expensive to run. If it’s so much a great car why are you selling it on your website? Good advertisement for the sale though.
Hilarious lol
@@bradfordwestyorkshire3089 Did you actually watch the video? Or just read that comment and comment the first shit that came into your head?
@@Anonymouseys I think his point is quite valid. Replaced turbo, windscreen and lower control arms throughout yet thinks it faultless lol. and laughable the best car in the world 🤣..
@@darianistead2239 but where in the video did it state spending 14k on repairs ? 😂
@@janetb6413 What?? Where did I state that?
I don't know wtf you are on about lady and I'm not sure you do either lol
Never sure whether you are trying to convince us or yourself mate . Those running cost by anybody’s standards are horrendous. I’ve had Land Rovers and they really, really do go wrong,but if you can put up with that then you are right in one respect,they are great things to drive ,you’ve just got to be prepared to spend your hard earned to keep it going.
i've owned older discoveries and defenders for years and the ones i have had just didn't break other than when i made mistakes in self servicing them, cocked up a cambelt change on one which then snapped, even that was cheap and easy to fix, rest has all just been servicing costs, discs, pads, oild filters shocks etc.. all consumables.
Get a good one to start with and then don't cheap out on it ....you buy the experience ....Those looking for an AB buy a Toyota or Lexus
I agree, only driven it for 20K (from 52K to 72K) and he had problems with windscreen/defroster, suspension, gear box service and turbo leak of £ thousands? And £120 for ONE after-market bulb?
Granted he didn't have to pay thousands from his pocket as he took out extended warranty, but all those things did break down one after another and cost you time and money.
This is neither cheap nor reliable by any standard.
@@a.m.9357 Exactly. And at £1.5k a year for extended warranty. Wow.
@@tilerman £900 for a freaking service....
We only live once so I have driven older jags, mercs, amgs and repaired as I have gone along. My journey will have been a good one, but if you insist on spending the same money for a vw in cloth with manual seats then we're just on different roads.
I wish some people would just man up and take the courage to at least try to drive something nice without worrying all the time.
Well said!
I have always spent a decent amount on cars over the years probably too much a few times but never regretted it as enjoy driving. After owning saloons estates SUV's, I'm preferring the new hot hatches that have come out over the last few years they come packed with all the mod cons but drive so much better and just makes for a more engaging experience.
I did! A mint '07 s/c vogue...68k when i bought it 2 years ago, awesome car, 98k price tag new....can see why, no squeaks, rattles, had to replace discs an pads, thats it0
@Butthead I can't hear you buttmunch, my v8 is too loud
You guys are hilarious
Just shout it out, Matt: “If you’re poor, don’t buy one!!” Lol!!
Rovers and benzs are hot girls....don't cheap out or she leaves
Lol standard
You'll be poor after all the repairs. He got lucky with his car. Most Range Rovers are pieces of poop
Broke and rover don't go together...when it breaks fix or buy another one period.
@@metrix9125 If thats the case then you're right. Intellectually inept and Rover is a more apt one, period.
Another great video. I would be interested to see what the comparison would be on leasing a brand new one and then having none of the repair costs and extra warranty costs etc and see what the difference is all in.
I was thinking exactly the same!
Didn't expect to see you on here I use to watch your content years ago when I was mad about phones lol
I didn't look at leasing. But PCP earlier this year was about £5k down and £1k per month for a lightly optioned vogue se 3.0. 3yrs, 10k/yr.
Yes! And theres the opportunity cost of having large some of money tied up in this.
That’s an interesting point but I think to lease a new RR same spec as this would be around £1k per month and I’d be tied in for 48 months
I've owned my L405 V8 for over 4 years. My only costs (other than fuel, road tax & servicing) are 4 tyres & one rear light cluster, which got damaged whilst parked. That's it. It's also started to increase in value. Can't go wrong.
Very interesting - thanks.
As an owner of a two year old one, I agree with everything , except one point - the three litre engine is fine.
It has all the power and performance you need and is surprisingly economical.
No need for the V8.
I got my D4 around the same time as you and your RR (March last year for me) and, for just about the first time owning a car, I have pretty much 0 desire to change it. Nothing out there really catches my eye, outside of a Velar, and I feel no need to change it. Plus, of course, with the PanaCov flu going around, everything has suddenly been 'adjusted'. Up... The D4 did need a gasket changing, at around $670 or so, but that's it. Starts first time, runs sweet, drinks like a fish (SC V6 petrol), fits everything and still looks the part when arriving at places. And long may it last.
I totally agree Matt, I had a range Rover Vogue SE supercharged for a number of years and it was in a different class to any other vehicle that I’ve owned. It is the best & gave a driving experience like nothing else on the road.
I'd be glad of the double glazing as it would muffle my inconsolable wailing after I've just spent £150 on a bulb 😫
There’s a cracking episode of Always Sunny In Philadelphia all about driving a brand new Range Rover it’s well worth a watch its hilarious 😂 Truly are the most complete cars on the road. You can show you have more money and get a Bentayga but you’d also be telling everybody that you like overpaying for stuff and have more money than sense. Range Rover is the king 👑
I’ve had my 2015 Vogue SE for 7 yrs, done 65,000 miles with very few issues. Spent no more than around £2.5k over that period with the exception of new tyres, break pads, servicing etc. Go off-road as well in it.
No more than 2500 wow thats not a good thing. For a car woth that original high purchase price they should be bulket proof for 100000 miles. 2500 over 7 years is horrendous
@@adambaker9550No it absolutely is not
I have one too and not had any problems after 87,000 miles. Mine is the TDV6 which is powerful enough and I get almost 600 miles on one 86 litre tank of diesel!
Quiet, comfortable, safe and fitted with General AT3 tyres, which last over 50,000 miles and the ability to go almost anywhere...mine is regularly used off-road.
Most problems occur when the car is not maintained or used (battery/electrical issues result). Service costs and road tax is expensive - but less than a Bentley, which is inferior.
i love the range rover, only sort of thing that puts me off is the reliability of them
I’ve had one from new for two years with no problems.
@@davidhorobin1060 give it a minute
You buy them after you've become a millionaire not before.
Owned a 2015 RR L405 3.0 TDV6... The only thing i had issue with was the particle filter, had to get it cleaned twice as it went into limp mode without actually giving me a warning. Apart from that i loved it
Current l320 owner, two inlet manifolds and EGR valves after three months of ownership, if you still can’t appreciate them at their worst. You don’t deserve to drive them at their best. (Goodwin,2020)
Great car! By the way, the road tax in The Netherlands would be 3300 euros per year for the SDV8... so 585 is quite a bargain... but that's pounds :-)
Astagfirullah WHAT THE HELL gosh that's obscene - 3300 EUR per year. Is it the type of car where if you can buy it you likely won't care etc.?
People moan here but its quite reasonable compared to many other places. But thats Brits for you: we like to moan.
Haha paying road tax in NL almost feels like theft. I also live in the Netherlands and have a ‘10 E350cdi which costs 180 per month/2160 per year. It happens🤷🏻♂️
@@dickpeuten1988 that’s crazy. If I lived there I’d buy a Lexus hybrid
@@HighPeakAutos they moan. They do more than that about 6OO tax. They go mad
Really interesting where you set the bar on ‘reliability’: I’ve just completed 70,000 miles (80-150k) in a 59 reg Volvo XC70 with 3 services, one broken spring, a cambelt scheduled change, a broken washer bottle, a set of tyres and two headlamp bulbs. That’s ‘normal’ to me after 15 or so years of Volvos and Saabs! Would have run a mile tbh from the list of faults you describe on the Range Rover! 😀
So would most people thats a normal level of wear and tear for the type of car you just mentioned. I had a VW Golf mk4 2003 model bought in 2008 with 180k miles by 2019 it had 257,000 miles and in that time it had a new battery, two new wiper motors, a new radiator which was not the fault of the car but more the brick that hit it after flying off the back of a skip. It had a new rocker cover gasket which was not essential but helped stop it leaking 0.5l of oil every year and was cheap. Other than that it has just had normal wear and tear stuff. The big weakness on that car was the wiper motor and that was only £70 a pop. It had its original springs, original clutch and original battery until 2015 the car just wore really well. It also had one cambelt in that time but I consider that under to be under wear and tear.
Love the Volvo XC70. I own 5!
You will need to check the heated rear window--you will need it for keeping your hands warm whilst pushing it!
So the car that's never gone wrong has had a leaky turbo, faulty windscreen, control arms and a few other bits. People have a brand loyalty to LR, they are great cars to drive but for the money, they could do better on reliability.
I have a Honda CRV that's had to have suspension bits every MOT and other odd bits wrong for the last 3 years. Find me a car that is maintenance free. They don't exist and they all add up.
@@jonathanpork-sausage617 My BMW i3, 70k miles and only parts I've replaced are tyres and front pads.
Never gone wrong but the warranty extension has paid for itself??? Odd
I'm amazed at how well the L405s have been holding on to their value. Land Rover truly moved the needle forward when they engineered this. To me, it's an aspirational model along the likes of a Bentley CGT and I look forward to owning one in the near future.
Don't take into account the last 12 months - used car prices across the board are mental at the moment due to a general shortage of materials/components for new cars
One over here in Dublin for 39k euro and it's a 2012 model,,prices nuts of late.
Don't think you can say they've moved the needle forward. Still incredibly unreliable and build quality of a cereal box
...just as I thought...
Range Rover, the top of the line, are too much to own/buy...
Never mind...
4:32 "so I'm told" was a smart thing to say 🤭
I’d love a LR but I’m always conscious of the running costs (and that goes for all big cars not just a gorgeous LR) but at least watching you videos means I can still dream. Love all your videos, keep em coming 👍🏻
Thanks for watching
Agreed, would love one and maybe £14k maintenance/repairs against a car of this value is a 'good deal', but to me it's still one hell of a lot of money!
Clearly I'm not quite in the financial position yet as some people!
@Uncle Gilbert think you need to pay a good deal more than £400 a month for a ffrr!
@Uncle Gilbert I think that’s just what bitter people tell themselves to make them feel better about their own shortcomings
@@justjosh11 Me too, I'd love one but nearly 14 grand! If you take off the cost of fuel over the 20000 miles then the maintenance costs still amount to approx £9700 which for just 20000 miles is an extortionate amount of money. Appreciate that there's a set of tyres in that bill but my god that's a crazy sum. Considering ownership of five years, for me anyway, at 12000 miles per annum, 60000 over five years, my maintenance bill could potentially be nudging 30 grand. I'll pass thanks 🙃
Bloody Hell! That review started so well, great car…cannot fault it! Best car money can buy! And then the costs…and they just keep coming, and coming, and coming. (I don’t think that is normal for most modern cars).I put 110K on my brand new 730d a few years back (all warranted and standard service with biggest cost brake discs and pads at £700) My best tip here, based on those sorts of costs would be to lease a brand new one for three years and then give it back before it all goes a bit pear shaped!!! Once had a neighbour that loved his Range Rover too, then one day he realised it was quite expense to run, his words ‘more than his house’ I thought it was a very honest review, and also think the Full Size RR is a great product, apart from…….yep reliability.
Not a single thing for me to add here, this man has concisely and precisely said it all. On the button with the 4.4 SDV8, and once you have had one, thats it, these beasts are the business. My mate bought a brand new X7, very fancy, lots of electronics, (not that much in it in terms of cost an maintainance), but still not a patch on the RR as an overall package. I'm not going to tell you to sell the mrs (or mr), or sell the kids or a kidney and get one (I AM!!)... but if you can get one.... G
Very helpful Matt. I was amazed how expensive it was to run. Try a Lexus 450h. I have the 400h. I am somewhat surprised at your fuel economy. Yes they are lovely cars only if you can really afford to run them. Horses for courses.
We have the 450h 2013 had for a few years now. 27 mpg town 33 motorway. Other cost include (I think ) £155 road tax and service around £400. On that note the service at lexus is second to non. In lockdown the collected and dropped off the car from 30 miles away without charge. Recently they lent my wife a brand new on to go shopping while the car was serviced.
It's not as good looking as the range rover, not as nice although the new on is better but crucially it works! Every time without fail never misses a beat even the suspension components have no issue on a very heavy car that is now ageing. ..then again we all went for the pretty girl knowing she would be trouble !
Matt, amazing content. I’m watching every video. We are moving back to the UK (North West) in the next few months and High Peak Autos will be our first and only stop for our first car for the move home and all cars in the future. Class content - keep it up
Thanks for watching!
One thing that wasn't highlighted is that quite a few of these costs won't need to be paid again for some time. Sounds like most things have been done to keep it tip top, I wouldn't be surprised if the next 12 months was less than £5k for the year inc everything and possibly a lot less
Well said! 👍
Like I said in a previous post, our 200k LR Discovery 2 TD5 is driving spot on and over it's life has had very little spent on it. Of course I totally get that it's old tech but it's still a comfortable ride. Overdrive kicks in at 53mph so just set the cruise control and sit back. It always gets us there. Unlike your Range Rover the TD5's suspension has never failed, the turbo is still original, road tax is around £300, fuel consumption is 30 on a run. We paid £6,000 for it 15 years ago and got 90k miles out of the first set of tyres. I think it's the cheapest car I have ever owned and I am not going to change it for one like yours.
I’m extremely jealous.. Not of the car, but that you were able to drive along that road to the town without getting stuck behind a Honda Jazz doing 27mph in the 40 zone 🤪🤪
This is what first drew me to your channel a couple of years ago. Just about every other UA-camr were trashing Range Rovers. You give hard facts and not opinions from those who haven't owned one. Yes, they could be more reliable, but an interview with the CEO not too long ago indicated that reliability is something they're really striving toward right now. I bought a slightly used Classic in the 1990's and then, after it was 13 years old, got a P38 and have had it for 20 years. Divide the total cost by 20 years and it's not too bad. Still running great!
Full size range definitely the best car ever. Not the quickest or most fun or even most luxurious. But the way it takes care of you with it’s road presence and style nothing can match this
Even my grandad switched to RR Autobiographys since 2018 after owning several s classes Bentleys and rollers over the prior 20+ years
I love how the warranty is £1500 per year because they know you’ll use it. My 12 month warranty for my 10 year old Lexus ISF is £469 per year from Lexus.
When I saw Lexus, I smiled. When I went on and read IS-F, my smile turned into respect 👍.
@@zsb707 😉👍🏻
The question is have you had to use it ?
@@mnoovurvi I haven’t no.
@@GRfourfun Then the lexus one is more of a rip off it seems 😁
Way too expensive for me but a great review 👍🏻
Been looking forward to this. I love em, I’m on my second L322 (after buying a lemon with my first but I need to tow a horse box out of muddy fields, and there’s nothing better) My current car is also a4.4 TDV8, and so far is running beautifully. I’ll replace it eventually, hopefully with an L405. Maintain it properly and stick v power in it occasionally and it’s as reliable as anything else.
I do not, as a rule, like Land Rover products much - they have a totally justified reputation for poor reliability / build quality (and that goes for Jaguar as well / JD Power survey etc). The running costs you have outlined seem catastrophic on the surface however these are what? 70 or 80k cars new? so even when second hand they will still have 80k car running costs. I know you said this was really reliable but the litany of things you then went on to detail was rather a lot. With all that said I can still see the appeal to a point, they waft magnificently and are a commanding driving position/presence on the road with supreme comfort etc.
Boring old world if we all liked the same things eh? :D
Quite right
The overall costs may seem catastrophic, but all cars need fuel, tires, servicing, MOT's, warranties. If you took those costs out then the running costs aren't bad for a vehicle of that size. The list of actual things that have gone wrong outside of that isn't bad at all. The difference in running costs between this and a BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne or an Audi Q7 isn't a great deal, and they're also not the most reliable cars either!
@@phanter344
Someone talking sense. Free from the fan boy ethic of none ownership critique!
Drive what you want go in eyes open 👍
I've always believed good maintenance is the key to keeping a car healthy and reliable. People can't be arsed to wash their cars properly and moan about rust.
Thats quite right
Yep I wash my car all the time and it's amazing what you can come across, paint chips, tyre kerb damage, just the little things that can lead into larger things. My mate came round with his Range Rover and we went out for a drive, I could hear a wheel bearing so got home jacked up his car and found front wheel bearing and worse a split inner tyre down to the wire. He got it sorted straight away and said thank god I spotted it. Those are the sort of things when you wash your own car you can spot.
@@andrewphillips2349 that’s quite right
@@HighPeakAutos compared to a Porsche Cayenne ????
@@andrewphillips2349 That's why drivers in the military have to wash their own vehicles, be it a land rover or a main battle tank, you get to spot future problems and can fix them before it becomes a pain in the arse. Out of the two I drove the tank but have seen the blanket stackers washing lesser things ;)
Love the range rover. You missed one cost. Depreciation!
In the market now the value is going up.
Often the biggest cost.
2:16 Clever main beam .... I absolutely HATE it.
My car has it and, it seems, do most other cars on the road.
I have to turn it off and I wish others would as well.
The dipping is not quick enough and anyway, I prefer to do it myself.
Great video, Matt! Enjoy your Range Rover, you’ve earnt it!
Just did my undercarriage
Axel
Control arm
Sway bars
All tallied 250k miles
L322 2009 super charged
Jag engine...2 weeks to wait for auto body repair
Got to live in one to really understand the deep connection..it's not just utilitarian..im.a musician
.its a lifestyle being on the road.. wouldn't want anything else
Another great video mate! Keep em coming and keep driving your RR in good health! Cheers!
Well, great video. If anything it’s cemented my feeling, I could never buy anything that costs so much to run. Forget fuel and tax, that’s just a factor of the engine. The warranty and costs are crazy money for me. £900 for a service - what did that cover? Heated windscreen failure - why should it fail? Nobody ever replaces the one for the back windows. £1500 for a 12m warranty is £125 a month to know if something big goes bang they’ll pay for it. Meanwhile you’re still paying for new suspension arms and cv boots after how many miles? Gear box service is sound thinking.
The filament is extremely fine in the front screen so you can't see it (otherwise it'd block your view forward), so inherently, they are quite fragile. A stone chip can easily damage it. Rear filaments are much more robust.
As someone who was always quite sceptical about the quality of cars that actually roll out of Halewood, I've actually become quite fond of idea of owning something jaguar land rover. So cheers Matt!
I just picked up a 2006 Range Rover HSE for $1,000. It has 195,000 miles on it (and some meathead cut off the catalytic converters). But I found a pair for sale on eBay, they should be here on Friday. Air suspension works (but the right side might have a slow leak), leather interior is in good condition, satnav and radio all work. They originally wanted $1500, but I talked them down to $1,000. They agreed to sell it to me for that, when someone else was 10 minutes away with $1,300... just because I was there first. This is my first Land Rover, and second vehicle (my first being a 2007 Ford Fusion that I talked the seller down to $700 from $1,000). I was able to get both cheap because they had some things the sellers didn't have time or patience to fix. yet were relatively simple fixes. I can't wait to take it out once the cats get installed.
ZombiePotatoSalad, just a word of advice. If you are intending keeping it for more than 5 minutes get the air suspension swapped out for coil springs. You can get the kit online along with ecu. Then if you aren't mechanically minded get one to install it for you. You will literally save yourself thousands. Air suspension system is absolutely rubbish and still continues to be even in latest models
Being in the trade for 20 plus years, Ive had most of the rivals cayenne, x5, x6, various sports, full fat rangies etc. Had my fingers burnt on the last range I had. Ace suspension fault. The pick of the bunch for me is the Q7. Amazing build quality, great engines, air suspension and 7 seats. Nothing would get me out of this one so far. My sentiments for the Q7 are as yours with the rangie. It’s amazing at everything. Apart from maybe it’s sheer size.
I’ve just bought a 2018 Q7 Vorsprung and I was nodding along to the comments on effortlessness, comfort, making long trips feel like shorter ones etc.
I test drove a few things and looked at a lot but the Q7 seemed a good bet for me and my tall kids and the mix of family trips it needs to support
They eat discs, pads and tyres
What was your general opinion on the X5 when it comes to reliability, comfort, cost.
quite good tbf, harsh ride, more so on m sport with runflats, turbo issues will occur around 90/100k if it’s not had on time servicing all its life. I’d go with the single turbo 3.0 d over the twin turbos for reliability.
As do all 2 ton plus cars
The big mistake people make is thinking they can run cars like this on a budget. I own an F10 BMW M5 and don’t do the mileage you do but excluding fuel but including servicing, tyres, road tax and BMW warranty etc it costs me £250 per month.
I understand that some cars are more reliable than others but really it all comes down to maintenance: you look after your Range Rover and don't skimp on servicing hence it does run well and doesn't brake.
Thats my approach
@@BuddhaofBlackpool 😂🤣
And don't be cheap with... they are hot girls
Yes because the heated windscreen needs servicing.
If you can afford the car, you can afford the ridiculously high "running costs", as you say over there in the UK. Plain and simple.
We had this conversation about selling my Autobiography and swapping it, some months ago. I still have it as, like you, when scrolling through pages of cars online, I can’t figure bud anything that is better!! Like you, I’ve looked at A8, S8, Spurs etc etc and nothing compares!! I usually get bored and want to try something new but after owning an L405, you have nowhere else to go! Even a newer one is a hard purchase as it’s hard to justify the money for basically the same car! Ah well - 1st world problems 👍🏼😂
You should definitely keep your gem of a car 👍.
The problem is, people who can't afford them buy these cars, run them on a shoestring, are surprised when it goes wrong and they can't afford to have them repaired properly. My 2010 L322 has done 112k miles, just spent £850 at a specialist getting it all hunky-dory again after being off the road for a year, and it's perfect!
It's like children really - if you can't feed em, don't breed em. If you can't afford to maintain it, don't buy it. Simple.
If you can afford to get it and maintain it, Go for it. My ancestors said.
£13k plus depreciation..
I just think £12k a year for 36 months leased "new" is the way to go.
Try a grand a month for 48 months for this spec.
Far better buying used and using second hand parts and not servicing at dealers etc
As usual, goes off to peruse the classifieds. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching!
They aren't cheap to keep and like the Land Rover Disco's you either love them or hate them. Personally I am in the former category. Best snow and off road vehicle I've found and I punish mine! Got a new Autobio RR ordered!
Good maintenance is the key. Personal experience has suggested to me, that the people claiming they’re unreliable, are the same people that don’t maintain their vehicles, or will know, because a friend of a friend’s half-cousin’s boyfriend, said so.
Great honest review Mat, think your going to rub people up the wrong way, with a positive review of a LR vehicle, it's really not what UA-cam people want.
Keep it up 👍
Indeed, it's just not cool to give an LR a positive review on UA-cam, better to just say you love the Q7 and be done with it
In the grand scheme of things and considering you purchased the warranty too the price of ownership over the 20k is dam good. I've always said look after the car and it will look after you.
I just can’t understand why such a “premium” brand is so unreliable in comparison to much cheaper cars. You’d think the opposite to be true. My old Skoda cost me £500 in actual repairs over 200k miles, I’d be terrified owing a RR.
It’s because what isn’t on it can’t break. And these cars have a bunch of things on them as that with a bunch of weight and needing to get low emissions makes it complex and more straining than on a 1000kg shit box with manual everything.
An honest"warts and all" video, so nice one. If you want a luxury car you have to pay luxury prices, it's really not that complicated. I saw an '07 Range Rover in Leeds city centre last week, painted matt black (clearly a home brew job), the 'dude' had the driver window down with the elbow out (of course he did, no chance the air con would be working) thinking he looked cool.
I'm a reserved chap but found myself shouting "sh*t paint job mate" as he drove by. He looked hurt and disappointed. The moral is clear, don't cheap out on a luxury car. It doesn't work. People will call your car sh*t. Harsh but true. Here ends the lesson.🙏
The moral is clear: you were wrong shouting that, so next time don't.
I am so desperate for Range Rovers, especially for the original "big" ones. Sometimes I "regret" that I am a japanese car fan and sometimes I really sit in my Lexus and think: hmm maybe one day when i get older, I really should try a RR. So, I absolutely understand owners thinking the same as you about their Range Rover. Thank you for posting, again. :)
Dávid, you should have bought a Range Rover before Lexus. But it's never too late to get one. In your 60's you can get back to Lexus ☺.
@@zsb707 I know what you are thinking but it is not a hybrid. ☺️
@@Frostakasilk I appreciate cars. At 35 I bought my BMW 6 Series coupé (E63, LCI), then at 39 I purchased my Mazda MX-5 (NC1). When I turned 45 I created my MSCC (most special car combo) by purchasing a Jaguar XF (X250, LCI). So I've had these three special cars for a couple of years and intend to keep them for long. I've never had an SUV, only sedans/saloons, coupés and convertibles, but if I considered one, I'd definitely shortlist an RRS and a Velar.
Insurance and depreciation should probably be included in the cost per mile. That warranty appears to be paying for itself. Well done on the garage on quibble-free fixing of things.
well not much is depreciating now but a comparison must be relative to the alternative you'd buy it's not a zero sum calculation unless you intend to buy nothing.
That was a great sales pitch - I feel I should buy one now and I can't even afford one. Range Rover should employ you 👍👍
.. as quiet as a mute mouse in a morgue.. Ha ha ha ha.!!! . Love the metaphors used on this channel.. Brilliant.. 👍👍
I purchased my 63 plate 4.4v8 SE with 28K on the clock direct from Landrover Lincoln. After the 2 years warranty expired I purchased another 2 years from Landrover at a cost of around £3K. I sold it after 5 years and apart from a near side headlight that was replaced under warranty, nothing ever went wrong with it. I sold it with 78K on the clock and its the best car I have ever owned. Averaged 35mpg. Loosing my job through Covid made me get rid of it, nothing else. I have no car at the minute but when I can, it will be another RR without question. You really do get what you pay for. 4 of my mates have RR for 5 years plus and they too have had absolutely no issues what so ever.
£14k over just 18mths!! That's horrific. They say love is blind and you've proved this right. Looks amazing and probably makes you feel like a King driving it around but it's a money pit. Buy a Land Cruiser or Hilux instead. Better off road and infinitely more reliable.
Got agree one fine car to drive , my HYUNDIA Santa fee manual 09 brought new , covered 124,000 miles , 1 set of tyres at 70 k miles and the service costs . Still on the original discs and pads . Replaced under warranty 2 roll bar bushes and 1 seat switch . There We Are Then .🤔
I really like these and the Evoque but have always been afraid of the constant negativity they have for reliability and the cost of any potential repairs.
the evoque is a piece of shit it has nothing to do with the vogue.
I decided the V8 was not for me very happy with the 3 litre except I did not realise it had a cambelt which was replaced at 7 yrs 90000Km. Plenty fast enough for this old man who does not tow anything these days. i agree must get the gearbox oil changed even though not advised by Landrover is needed, did so on my previous series 3 and never had a problem.
The 4.4SDV8 IS a masterpiece of an engine. Great videos as always enjoying the content in all the videos
Love that engine in a Range Rover Classic Vogue SE
Apart from double glazing, my M4 has all of the things you mentioned in the first 6 mins.
£210 for the ZF 8 speed gearbox service is too cheap. ZF lifeguard 8 oil and a new sump with filter is over £300 on it’s own.
I get trade discount
I'm a very low mileage driver, I bought a Chevrolet Cruze station wagon when Chevrolet exited the UK market and the car was £7999 down from about £17k with the paint it had. I've only done about 14k miles over about 8 years. I've just had minor servicing and mot costs. Nothing has gone wrong and I'm still on the same battery and tyres. It's probably cost me about £2k a year in total I guess including insurance and vehicle excise duty and the cost of the car shared out over the 8 years. I can get about 50mpg on a long run and about 30mpg for around town driving with I guess 35mpg average. So I've probably spent about £2.5k in fuel. I purposely choose a simple car with a simple non turbo petrol engine and manual gearbox because I'm a low mileage driver so wanted a car that would age well. It's got air conditioning and a great stereo and loads of carrying capacity. Despite the Chevrolet name its more a Astra Sports tourer but made by the GM Korea factory (used to be Daewoo factory). I'm probably the other extreme of running costs. Still find the latest cars very interesting but happy with my car. I'm more into bicycles to be honest.
I've had cars that were problematic though, I had an early Seat Ibiza before VW bought the company and a VW Golf with some issues. A Vauxhall Vectra with electrical gremlins. I also had a Ford Mondeo which was bought for peanuts but lasted many years and a Toyota Avensis. I've also had 3 different BL Mini's and those were problematic but always very cheap to repair. Something about the old mini's I really love.
I think I just resent spending money on cars nowadays. There are always more interesting ways to spend my money for me.
Fair enough. I quite liked the Cruze when they were launched. I'm around cars all day long, most of which break so I just try and drive whatever I like and suffer the running costs.
Awesome! Your running costs are twice what i paid for my car around the same time you got the RR. But then i am driving a Golf GT :(
I can't agree more. I have L320 and the only other car I might consider is L405.. there is just nothing better all around than range rovers
The highest cost of owning a Range Rover is everyone thinking you are a d*ck.
Want to drive one of these drawing rooms on wheels……….one word…….Warranty!
We have a Range Rover velar, it’s a fantastic car had it two years and never let us down , so comfortable as well , even thinking of upgrading to the sport or the vogue . I don’t believe any of this hype about them been unreliable, simply not true , probably the best car we’ve ever owned .
You've never spoken to an honest mechanic then. They might be great cars but reliable they are not.
Great review, love the transparency!
We have a Skoda karoq and after 20k miles we replaced a windscreen wiper blade, oil change service and one set of tyres - total cost less than £750 and we get 40 miles to the gallon on average. Need we say more?
Hmm bet your Karoq wasn’t 7 years old though was it? Can we compare apples with apples
@@HighPeakAutos no that is true but also it won’t depreciate by 50k - 70k + (for a new one) over that 7 years either. Whilst we accept the range rover is overall more comfortable and more versatile off road for sure - one does have to ask what is the purpose of a vehicle and for general road travel we would every time prefer a brand new karoq/kodiaq or similar over a 7 year old Range Rover - on cost grounds - on reliability grounds and on depreciation grounds. If money is no object fair enough - but for interest just take a look at what Warren Buffet drives and Bill Gates - we can’t just help but feel that people buying old large luxury vehicles are doing so just to try and give an impression of wealth when in reality these vehicles are money pits - no disrespect. Your 20k review was excellent and honest but you said not much went wrong well compared to our 2year old karoq one hell of a lot went wrong.
lexus ct 200h genuine costs for 20k miles. depreciation £0(actually gone up in value despite higher mileage!), road tax £0 repairs £0 tyres/brakes £0 (regen means brakes last 100k miles) clutch/gearbox fluid/belts £0 (doesn't have these items) oil service + MOT £100. petrol for 20k miles £1730 (65mpg on 16 inch wheels).wiper blades £18 total cost £ 1848. total cost/mile 9p/mile
I had one for about 12 months /10,000 miles. They're great cars. My ML head unit broke which was covered under warranty thankfully otherwise that wouldve cost around £1500. They're certainly cheap to run and tax but they're not very spacious. They're very slow. And it gave me a bad back.
Yeah but it’s not a Range Rover is it?!?! 😂🤣
@@RATTLER238 true!
@@HighPeakAutos Absolutely, this is the newer version with the softer suspension, and the real trick! get with 16 inch wheels not 17, looks worse but drives much much better
LR main dealers are clairvoyant. The way they spot invisible problems is unnerving - and strangely - usually very expensive. The cars are amazing, the dealership less so.
Nice yoke u still got the bmw m3
Yeah. Took it for its MOT today
@@HighPeakAutos i think we need a wee video on it 😉
Glad you have had fun and enjoyment I wont have one and the reason is reputation and I am not talking about the Car Its a Favorite with drug dealers and criminals When it was launched it was a Gentleman's car its not anymore its bling also puts me right off
What about the depreciation Matt (apologies if this has been asked already in the comments)? I imagine this will make the cost per mile a little higher…
Still love the L405 though and great video as always.
I believe that the biggest depreciation comes after they come out of warranty after 4 years. After that, it depreciates at a steady pace, but not at a crazy rate.
I wouldn't think it's lost a huge amount, or at least compared to if Matt had bought it brand new. Probably a couple of thousand?
Shhhhh!!!!
@J Scott certainly EU6 compliant stuff is going bonkers - extension of the ULEZ zone is looming!
Fantastic Vlog. I'm like your self regarding Land rover products, never had a problem. I personally found that most people that slag them off, have never owned one. Its usually a mate of there's had one and nothing but trouble, or, a guy down the pub has had nothing but trouble pmsl.
I agree, I've had range rovers for 40 years now, the last 4 being brand new. All have been properly maintained and all have stood the test of time without any major problems. I've always loved them.
Pleased to hear it
as a toyota driver, are 20k mile updates besides an oil change a thing?
Satisfaction, enjoyment and pleasure are also things.
@@HighPeakAutos I understand, as I do enjoy sitting in a LC100 knowing I won't have to call my mum for a ride home. Great content though, always a laugh
@@gerthen2 I suppose you have same pleasure and satisfaction in your LC then? Would you list it as "same"?
@@HighPeakAutos Well said. Some people just don't know what those words mean ...
We took a L322 TDV8 from 50-162k miles. I wouldn’t say the running costs were excessive, reliability was fine. Excluding battery drain (have the biggest NOCO boost pack you can find, in the boot) we had one total breakdown (fuel pump) over the ten years. I know a number of high net worth individuals and they don’t even think about it and just buy the latest Range Rover. My fantasy five car garage always has one in and I would love another one day. I changed the oil, via the two drain plugs, every 10k, never touched the gearbox (didn’t tow) and she was on original turbos.
Basically a money burner car, but amazing to have.
@Uncle Gilbert absolutely. I think I will stick to BMWs.
Whean a turbo 'leaks' it is almost never a failed turbo: the cause lies downstream with a faulty cat or a DPF. Eventually the turbo will fail by overheating and clogging internally.
just spat my brew out when you said £120 for a bulb, great video I can see the appeal but I am to much of a tight arse for range rover ownership and not into fake tan 😀
And that was for an aftermarket bulb,god knows what the LR bulb cost.
I'm guessing it was Xenon bulb and they're really expensive, even on my previous car (an Audi A4) it cost £105 but on the plus side they last a lot longer than normal bulbs, around 4 to 5 yrs and are much brighter.
Nobody knows the cost of such a bulb. I suspect it is no more than $1
I know 3 people who owned a Rangerover and couldn't wait to get rid of it again after less than a year
Great vid Matt. I bought my 2015 SDV8 VSE last November. Love every journey. Only issue i've had was a coolant leak, covered by JLR warranty.
Something I have asked them to look at though is a slight rattle/tinny noise between 1900-2700 revs under load. No diagnosis or fix though. I've been told 'they all do that'. Does yours?
Thanks for watching. No rattles at all. Something must be loose.
@@HighPeakAutos haha, thanks for the respose, I'll screenshot it and use it as an authority when I go back to them - "Matt says his car doesn't do it!"
Keep up the great content! 👏
@@niallcosgrove2816 on mine it was an exhaust heat shield. A really easy fix without even needing to go into the workshop.
Those costs are completely scary. I like Range Rovers but if that is the price to pay for as little as 20k then no thanks, so yes this has been helpful, lol.
Don’t worry, people. I am sure he is only joking. And it’s really funny.
“The best car on the road” The best joke this month. Great British comedy.
You're playing in it? 😊
Hey Matt, do you like your Range Rover? Good to see that someone is putting information out there on why Range Rover is such a solid seller.
Great to hear Matt! Unfortunately Range Rovers do have the odd "naysayers"
I've driven a couple of L405s and can confirm they are amazing mile munchers!
Very true!
We all do truly appreciate your experience and seasoned advice from buying and selling multiple used vehicles and what comes with buying used! I always tell people if you want no issues with a vehicle purchase...BUY NEW. but i doubt anybody wants to stomach a 0 mile fully loaded range L460 SV at $220K USD LOL so buy new buy depreciated at 75% or better and enjoy all the bells and whistles of a 5-7 year vehicle!