Why GER ISN'T As Strong As You Think
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Today I'll be explaining Why GER ISN'T As Strong As You Think, basically a GER Debunk that's been a long time coming
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The ability to nullify actions is terrifying. Pull out your stand? You never did. Punched him? You never did.
You would be able to pull out your stand still, GER manipulates manevolent actions towards giorno, pulling out your stand is not inherently a manevolent action
Speed blitz goes faster then speed of light speed of light not as fast as sending information to the brain, he cant revert things he cant process, its not like ger can like think faster then a human since iits just a manefestation
@@pie4u764 yes it can it has his own mind and diavolo is faster than light as he scales to jotaro/dio which ger reverted to zero
@@pie4u764No it cant do anything
“Revert will and action of the enemies to zero”. This is how araki described GER. “Zero” in this case is the starting point of the action aka its “cause”. Essentially, GER ability focusing on prevent the enemy from reaching whatever result they intented to or act upon and stuck on “cause.”
But he can’t manipulate the cause or the effect. A.k.a causality manipulation is dead
With how little we saw of GER, it makes more sense that it’s just another powerful stand among the many others in JJBA than the pinnacle of stands that counters 99% of them easily.
Oh GER have a weakness but its just that we dont know what it is
Nah we know what GER’s weaknesses are, helpless against stands far faster and/or stronger than it, and is helpless against stands that have stronger Hax than RTZ
@@JobberGodot doesnt GER activate automatically? Why would faster stands be any issue. On top of it wasnt it stated that hes fastest stand during part 5 (cause we know what happend in 6th)
And idk if stronger hax really exist in Jojo its more of counter hax.
(I didnt watch your video yet so i may get explanation there but im just saying my thoughts beforehand)
GER doesn’t activate automatically, I disproved that notion in the video. And tbh Jotaro was in like two scenes in Part 5 and didn’t even pull out his stands, Araki saw that it was pointless to give that showing of Jotaro a stand card in a part he’s barely in and does anything in, plus it’s Giorno’s part, he’s center stage. Also I hope you enjoy the video ^-^
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Wait how is it not automat-
I will just watch a video for this part.
Anyway honestly althrough yes you can say that Araki said that GER being faster was because araki didnt thought of Jotaro it can very well be said that he didnt gave a thought to Giorno when he said Jotaro had strongest ability.
Very well done video! Makes you think about "Perception vs. Reality" when it comes to info books and actual actions in the series.
Perfect I was waiting for this for a long time.
35:27 i agreed with everything until here. I have explained dozens of times and am tired to keep doing so but yes it IS LITERALLY time erasure and to people who think it doesn’t make sense well it wouldn’t if Jojo’s cosmology didn’t have fate at it’s centre.
wait so u think it actually erases time? damn man thats a lil strange and obviously not true but alr 😬🤙
@@potturtle366 literally every material provided: yeah it erases time
Araki: yeah it erases time
Diavolo: Yeah it erases time
The entire main cast: Yeah it erases time
Facts and logic: Yeah it erases time
Observations: Yeah it erases time
The cosmology of the franchise: Yeah it literally HAS to erase time
Illiterate jojo fan after looking at the 13th page of google: NUH UH
@@datboy038 it erases tine yea, just the perception of it. goofy 😜
@@potturtle366 that is a big fucking jump silly 👹
@@datboy038 also ppl obviously still move and such. also also if that were so epitaph would just show darkness before he uses time erasure. also yeah like jobber said it’d just be time stop at that point. its not going forward in time hes just taking himself out of there and everyone is unconsciously doing whatever they would’ve
Can we take a minute to appreciate the editing? This shit is heat
Agreed
So what I'm hearing is goku speed blitzes and one shots
Pretty much
@@JobberGodothow tho, diavolo timeskip is impossible to intervene with its basically a stronger version of hit’s ability and GER subcontiously just negated it
@@Ballsackgaminhave you even watched th me video he's explained for 40 minutes
@@Ballsackgamin if you watch the scene carefully. You’ll see rtZ activates after the time erase. You see and hear the effects clearly before diavolo throws the punch and then the ability activates.
@@JobberGodotwell this is why i always prefer damage reflection its was more versatile and can literally render every fight in giornos favor like he can create ants and cover himself in them then bam you cant hurt him
I want to say off the bat that this is incredibly well made, and overall, I agree. GER needs reaction time superior to the opponent to win.
One problem.
Diavolo’s attempt to use epitaph showed that he would win, and he did not. Logically, GER has to be above fate as a concept.
This is huge.
Fate is a fundamental law of existence due to gravity in JoJo. The only stands to be above it are King Crimson, and Gold Experience Requiem. So, Fate is above time as a concept, as DIO, Jotaro and Kira are all bound by fate when using their stand abilities. DIO says this about himself in Stone Ocean, that he is bound by fate despite possessing The World.
So, if GER is really above the concept of fate, then it has to also be above the concept of time. There is nothing about a specific immunity to either, so the only result is that GER, as a sentient thing, is on a higher plane of existence where these things don’t apply. Thus, immeasurable speed, thus GER is the ultimate stand made to make you god.
I’m also arguing for Diavolo being one of the strongest characters in JoJo as well in this, considering he can kill pretty much all but 3 stands in the series from how fate works: those three being Wonder of U (fully manipulates another fundamental concept), Soft and Wet: Go Beyond (has attacks that don’t exist but still do damage and ignore fundamental concepts) and GER (duh). Stands like Love Train and Star Platinum: The World kinda get stomped.
Overall though, very entertaining!
And MIH/Pucci is above it too (when in the new universe)
Not necessarily.
In part 6. It's stated in the Manga "Although it is said that humans can shape their own destiny, perhaps that reshaping of destiny is already predestined"
Basically. This states that changes in fate(GER denying epitaph) are still predestined. Meaning that GER is still following the flow of fate and is not above it
Ger is above time manipulation but not the pure concept of time as ger may be able to undo any action during time stop if alive. Also ger can be determined to be above fate but is not able to purely manipulate fate as it can only change fate through its physical form meaning that epitaph probably would see a different reality after return to zero. If the prior information is true ger is able to be defeat so long as it’s physical form is defeated as it’s reality change is restricted to that
@@samu-ellno its not.
@@jesuscornstorm737 yes it is, thats why he can change emporio's fate by putting weather disc on him
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I appreciate the shout, haven’t watched this all yet but so far the video is great!
Np man, also thx! and can't wait for your GER video to come out, we're COOKING
I don't really get how RTZ isn't passive and automatic, Time Erasure literally removes everyone's ability to perceive anything at all and simply follow their fated movements. You can see as GER follows its fated movements and allows itself to be blinded by blood, meaning at that point it had not gained perception. If it was a manually activated ability reliant on GER's speed and reaction, how on earth would it activate at all in an ability that removes your perception? It having inherent immunity to Time Erasure's perception removal is just unfounded. Not to mention, Chariot Requiem, who isn't controlled and harnessed to the same degree as Gold Experience Requiem, quite obviously has abilities that activate automatically once their ability trigger is met. CR is literally a mindless drone incapable of actual thought so its abilities have to be automatic since it cannot input any manual thoughts or decision making. Why would the "weaker" Requiem stand born from the same arrow have automatic abilities but GER would not? Makes little sense. Chariot Requiem's abilities also activate free of any physical contact. While yes CR and GER manifest different abilities, they both draw from the same exact power source. Giorno even comments that the arrow itself has some sort of isolation power to repel everything. I don't see how the unmastered and uncontrolled Requiem power of Chariot would have contact free, automatic defense and then the fully utilized Requiem power of Gold Experience would not.
Ur right man, ger is the ultimate stand, anyone that says anything different should cope, there is a reason ger is the only stand with unknown stats.
Two words :
Omnipotence and omniscient
It is activated passively or manually since assuming that it has gained omnipotence then it can easily see what you are doing in and out of time (as a concept in JoJo)
Since requiem is the peak of stands, it is definitely way stronger than the likes of most abilities.
In terms of physical prowess and overall physical attacks I think it still pales in comparison to prime star platinum or king crimson (since KC is A in destructive capabilities) though if it were to fight using just it's god like abilities alone I think it will win, we only see it punching, shooting a piece of rubble like a bullet (laser in the manga) and reverse unfavourable actions against giorno.
But if we're talking about hax then giorno easily wins over stands that directly attack giorno. Stands like sex pistols and most ranged stands that don't use stand powers as their primary range attack would be able to affect giorno, unless it was stated that he can reverse the actions of inanimate objects that may count as a direct attack (assuming this was in the definition)
@@Maximumhater8599 Good take but the definition of his ability is the nullification of the will and actions of its opponent. Will and actions not attacks, so imo it can pretty much revert anything and as for speed kc is also A but giorno speed blitzed him before he could even react so it's a safe assumption to say he is the strongest stand in the series.
@@Maximumhater8599 That piece of rubble tore through diavolo's hand and took out the pillar behind him so he should definitely be stronger than sp.
Its literal common sense that ger is automatic lol
Ok so let's go over these points one by one
1) Stand stats
Speed in stand stats does not necessarily refer to its travel speed, it could be travel speed, reaction speed, combat speed and etc there are more variations to speed category and it is not confirmed wheather the speed in stand stats reffer to any of such category, it is just speed, it could be anything, in super fly case the 'Speed = E' could be referring to the speed in which Superfly reacts to affect it's victims, That is, the speed at which Superfly was able to reflect the damages done by okuyasu nijimura (the hand) & josuke higashikata (crazy diamond) and the speed at which Superfly was converting josuke to itself (metal) when josuke was escaping the tower, the speed in stat do not reffer to travel speed of Superfly but rather the speed in stand stats reffer to at what speed or at what time does the Superfly reacts hence reaction speed, to activate its ability, you need to react to activate your ability, so the stand stats could be referring to reactionary speed instead of others, therefore this is indeed it's physical stat
If you really think that, stats reffer to ability, then explain how there is 'A' in most of the stats in The World and star platinum case, the below description of star platinum and the world were referring to the ability time stop at the most, and if that is the case, since when did time stop began to have destructive force, speed, staying, learning and precision? Isn't time stop non physical? And since when did time stop destroyed something upon its activation? Since when did time stop began to have reactions? And if it was really referring to the ability, why did Time stop have 'C' in range? Isn't time stop, just restriction of flow of time, and since flow of time is present everywhere across the space-time continuum itself, which has its own role and influence on everything in universe, so shouldn't time stop be universal+? And so shouldn't the range should've been 'infinite' in stand stats? But these weren't the case at all, if it really was a stats refering to stats of ability, then each and every category in stand stats should've been 'none' just like G.E.R just as you said, but that too is not the case, the stats are clearly for the physical capabilities of stands, even in part 3 in most of the scenes it was shown about star platinum max range to be about 2m or something or something like melee weapons range and his physical power exceeding the limits of average stands and human being making star platinum acheive superhuman capabilities, which clearly explains 'C' in range of Star Platinum stats and 'A' in rest of stats, therefore stand stats are clearly refering to physical capabilities of stands, in G.E.R case even if you consider it for ability or physical capabilities, it won't make any possible sense, like 'none' in speed, in the sense of ability, does it mean that the ability would never activate? Or does it mean it requires no time to activate? If it was the first one like "the ability would never activate" then it would be completely incorrect, as ability does activate during fight with diavalo, so stats being based on ability is nonsensical, as it did activate, and now your gonna ask like "even stats reffering to physical power wouldn't make any sense", yes, in the sense of physical power it still wouldn't make any sense like, does it mean that G.E.R is stationary and doesn't move at all? If it is really that case then it is still incorrect, as we already saw G.E.R moving (travel speed), G.E.R reacting to mista's bullet and diavalo's time skip (reaction speed), G.E.R barraging (combat speed), G.E.R answering diavalo (thinking speed) considering all that, that would mean, G.E.R is active in speed, not just that but active in all category of speed, so 'none' being in physical stat wouldn't even make any sense right? Yes and most of the quotes from guides refer it as physical power, So your real question should be "then what does "none" mean then?"
It can mean one of two things. In the case of GER, its lack of stats indicates that its abilities and power surpass the limits of the standard Stand measuring rod. GER operates on a level beyond what can be quantified or comprehended by conventional means. On the other hand, for all other Stands that lack specific stats, it signifies either that the Stand/ability doesn't possess that particular stat or that the stat itself is not possible to be meassured due to various reasons.
Another reason why G.E.R stats refer to physical stats is,
Araki, believe it or not, tells us this: "Furthermore, it has an attack power that surpasses that of existing Stands, so it can be said to be a "perfect Stand.". It refers to GER himself rather than any of his abilities.
Another reason why G.E.R stats are beyond infinite is that It is said that G.E.R is above all existing stands so it should be above every stands from part 3 to part 5, and it exceeds those stands in every category, either in the sense of physical power or in the sense of ability, making it referred to as "a perfect stand" or "ultimate stand", so in that sense it did transcend every stand in each stats category, I would like to give you the example of one stand-
Notorious Big is one stand which has 'infinite' in some category, 'infinite' in speed, due to its weakness it was defeated but it is sure that it has 'infinite' in some category, G.E.R transcending this stand would mean that G.E.R has its stats greater than 'infinite', So you can't deny the fact that G.E.R is beyond infinite in speed (as notorious big is infinite in speed) and beyond infinite in precision (as notorious big is infinite in precision)and beyond infinite in range (as notorious big is infinite in range) this would line up with "none" and power surpass the limits of the standard Stand measuring rod.
You can use G.E.R statement on G.E.R resetting the actions and willpower of opponents to nothing/zero to explain 'none' in every category and it would reffer to the result of ability working on opponent, but how will you explain star platinum/the world's stats? The time stop does not grant destructive force or speed or any other things to opponent, so why is that the case? Shouldn't their stats also should be "none"? Same as G.E.R and you see the stand description of both stands talks about timestop and rtz so why though? Simple answer is both the stats are reffering to physical power, you see the everything except range is labelled as 'A' and 'C' in range but why though timestop is an ability which restricts the flow of time temporarily, and since time is present across the space-time continuum, having its own influence on it, shouldn't timestop range be universal+ level, so range must've been labelled 'infinite' but that isn't the case, the thing is in most of the scenes of part 3 it is clearly mentioned that the range of Star Platinum is that of an average melee weapons range, and that it has strength and speed that is above all average stands and humans, this is why everything except range is labelled as 'A' and 'C' is labelled as range, in G.E.R case there are lots of statements which clearly refering stand stats for physical power
Well either the way, stand stats are broken for sure as speed goes >infinite for G.E.R
Note: I couldn't fit everything in one comment so check replies for other parts.
2) attack power
How does the attack power refer to rtz, when there is no clear evidence of it, there are most of the quotes from guides such as "Furthermore attack power surpassing that of an existing stands, so it can be said to be 'perfect stand' " which proves that attack power is referring to physical power and not just it's abilities
The same pannel shows G.E.R top which also shows that it is referring to physical power, don't understand? Well in the same scene in manga and anime G.E.R showed a physical power feat that is reacting in time skip to activate rtz, which is nothing but a physical feat so the said pannel must also be referring to G.E.R reaction speed which is a physical power, making that the attack power is referring to physical power and not ability
Furthermore, there are cases in JoJo where what author wants to say, is portrayed in different way than what author really wants to say in other words what we see and interprete isn't really what author wants to say, so the said pannel what is shown might've not been related to the quotes.
"Furthermore attack power surpassing that of an existing stands, so it can be said to be 'perfect stand' "this quote itself is a proof of attack power reffering to physical power, you see at the end it says"perfect stand" so it's enough to understand that said quote applies for physical power and stand itself and well it says "perfect stand" instead of "perfect ability" so the quote really does applies to G.E.R itself not just it's abilities
"Ultimate stands have ultimate abilities" doesn't matter, the keyword in quote was "Ultimate stand" so it is clearly reffering to physical power and stand itself + Ultimate stands have ultimate attack power and ultimate abilities, using your statement it should also be applied to attack power (which refers to physical power) aswell, so it surpasses every stands in both abilities and attack power (which refers to physical power)
And throughout the series, stats from the beginning of part 3 has only been referring to physical power, and this system of using stats to describe physical power continues further, so G.E.R stats suddenly reffering to ability wouldn't just sit right and it will make zero sense as there is little to no proofs of it suggesting like that and most of the quotes from guides clearly implies that stats are reffering to physical power and stand itself
And this whole trend of applying stats for ability started from part 6 itself (I know you are going to bring up stands like skyhigh from part 4 to say that its stats refer to abilities, but no skyhigh stats are not referring to ability, I already explained it in first one why, and it can be argued that the stats of skyhigh is not referring to ability, overall stats of skyhigh isn't referring to ability but physical power)so G.E.R stats suddenly reffering to ability wouldn't just sit right and it will make zero sense as there is little to no proofs of it suggesting like that and most of the quotes from guides clearly implies that stats are reffering to physical power and stand itself as There is little to no stand that has its stats refered according to the ability, except whitesnake, but digging deep there is no other stands like that, so G.E.R stats reffering to ability would arise doubts
"Diavalo acknowledges that G.E.R did get stronger and faster but was atleast confident that he's atleast fast enough to skip time and precog" No, you can't take any of statements from diavalo on requeim seriously, diavalo literally asked polnareff about arrow, so it can be said that diavalo has no knowledge of requiem stands and literally got a point of it while chasing for arrow, and the statement "but was atleast confident that he's atleast fast enough to skip time and precog" we literally saw the end, diavalo got beat up so badly both in anime and manga, so any statements from diavalo shouldn't be taken seriously as it's just what diavalo saw and not what he knows,
"G.E.R in terms of AP, durability and speed generally scaling to king crimson should put the stand in the small town to small city ranges and MFTL" nope, the scaling of AP, Durability and speed goes a lot higher, it's not just above king crimson, there are lots of feats in last two episodes if you consider it
""Being impossible to compare to the like stand measuring rod to saying it's impossible to compare not just that they're stating it's above it right" so what i mean here is that there's just a lot of like things about revert to zero that's just hard to quantify physically it's just hard to compare to stand measuring rod not that it's above it and once again I'm going to state it again what I mean here is that there's a lot about revert to zero that's hard to quantify"
Nope, I have never heard of that statement "because it's just hard to quantify physically" it's just another interpretation coming from headcanon with no source or evidence supporting it, and if so, using your logic, then why aren't it's stats measured? It's just hard to quantify physically right? not that it's impossible, so why? Going according to you, the stand stats should've been measured by now, because you see it's just hard to quantify, and no matter how hard a thing or an equation or situation is, it can always be measured by some or the other way using conventional means, so by your logic why isn't stats measured, you see the only thing which can't be measured is when it's impossible to measure or way beyond what describes it and not that it's hard to measure, through this it can be said that things which can't be measured is above the limits of what it measures.
3)Instant
16:14 - 18:46
17:05 yeah I think it can be agreed on G.E.R speed being Massively FTL, I would say arguably MFTL+ using comparison of speed of stands from part 3 to part 5, but once again there is more to it if we focus on what G.E.R in last two episodes,
17:10 "universal+ in range" no I don't think so, by term uni+ what you are telling is that G.E.R ability (rtz) affects the entirety of universe in jjba, including the every place and history and future of it, which is true, but it is still incomplete because the ability goes way above uni+
+ I think rtz > timestop as timestop existed in part 3, which is the existing stands in reference to part 5, and through a statement from guidebook suggesting G.E.R being higher/above existing stands from part 3 to part 5, it can be concluded easily that rtz > timestop (ability wise) or G.E.R > star platinum (physical power wise) Furthermore, Araki in JOJO-A-GO!GO! makes a direct comparison between Time Erase and Time Stop. Return to Zero affected Time Erase, a time manipulating ability, with ease, so it not being able to affect Time Stop would be nonsensical.
I pretty much agree with this one, more like most of things in this one are actually true, and people misinterprete the information on G.E.R being instant, but some things were incomplete, as the speed of G.E.R being Massively FTL is actually true, but could be argued further into it being MFTL+ and by focusing on everything G.E.R did in that battle also brings more information on G.E.R speed being incomprehensibly higher than terms like MFTL, second is the range of it, it should've been way above that, uni+ is true but likewise AP goes way beyond that aswell, on overall there is nothing to debate on this one, except the rtz being higher than timestop or G.E.R > star platinum, speed and range.
4)Unavoidable
18:46 - 22:32
19:55 "and if time stop were to be measured by stats, it would all be none too" nope, I don't think so, first of all the stand description below the stats of both stands talks about timestop and rtz, so why is G.E.R labelled for ability? And why is star platinum labelled for physical power? The most likely answer would be it is not, both are clearly talking in reference to physical power, what else answer could you come up with other than that? From part 3 itself all stats are clearly been referring to physical power so it referring to ability all of the sudden wouldn't just quite sit right at all, Second of all, there is no stand from part 3 to part 5 which has its stat labelled in terms of ability, the trend of labelling the stats according to ability has started from part 6 itself, (I know you are going to come up with Superfly stand from part 4, but it could be argued that Superfly stats are reffering to physical power, likewise as I said speed has other variations to it such as travel speed, reaction speed, combat speed, thinking speed etc, it could be anything here, and in Superfly case, it's speed might be reffering to anything else other than travel speed) and on top of that there are very little to no stand which has ability type stat, I mean except whitesnake every stats could be argued being physical power itself, so G.E.R stats suddenly being ability type stats would be quite confusing and is doubtful, as more questions arise on G.E.R if stats were referring to ability and not physical power, thirdly, it would make zero sense if it was for ability, like how would speed be none? If it was reffering to ability, it should have some activation speed, if there is none in speed category according to ability, the ability would likely never activate, like even if you can activate ability with your own speed, it should have some speed to take place or work or activate in itself, speed being none in terms of ability, is equivalent to ability likely never activating or taking place, but in G.E.R case it did work which makes absolutely zero sense, hence contradicting the assumption on stats reffering to ability, hence it is stating about stats being physical, and I know you are going to ask 'if it was reffering to physical power then explain speed being none even though G.E.R clearly moved?' and for that I already explained it, taking statement from guidebook which states G.E.R is above all existing stands from part 3 to 5, and by the existence of stands like Notorious Big which exists in part 5, it could be said speed is above infinite value, and by the explanation of "none" I'm not saying that by considering it physical power would have no issues and problems with it, what I am trying to say is that by considering it physical power, there would be less issue compared to when considering it for ability, as the idea of stats reffering to physical power has more backed up proofs and likely answer and explainations
21:59 "meanwhile in timestop there is generally no real solution as a regular stand user unless you have a hyper specific like prep/knowledge"that is not true at all, because, time stop can be easily avoided, infact it could be argued that timestop is not really a time stop because, taking your opinion as an assumption, let's assume that timestop is really unavoidable, this means any other stands which doesn't have ability to stop time or even scale higher than the dimensionality which time stop is, wouldn't move in time stop at all, but Pucci moved in time stop in chapter 148 of stone ocean, and Pucci had C-Moon which literally has no relation to 'timestop ability' or 'scale higher than timestop dimensionality' all it has is to manipulate the direction of gravity, that too at a finite distance of few miles, (of course you can use idea of time dilation that occurs due to bending of space-time fabric which is caused due to immense gravity to create a relation to timestop, but once again, gravity manipulation is completely different from timestop and there is no relation to it, timestop is a direct ability whereas gravity manipulation requires process to occur and in C-Moon case C-Moon cannot manipulate gravity at such an extent that time dilation would literally stop time, so C-Moon ability has no relation to timestop), hence your assumption on jotaro's timestop being unavoidable is completely wrong, therefore, jotaro's ability (timestop) is not unavoidable, whereas G.E.R ability (rtz) is unavoidable
And if you want proofs for Pucci moving in timestop while having C-Moon as a stand, well I can't send any links but I can tell you chapter no and page no-
*Stone ocean*
*Chapter 148 : C-Moon part 7*
*Page number 5:* jotaro has asked ermes to shoot at Pucci with gun, which she did and the moment before it reaching to Pucci, jotaro stops time.
*Page number 6:* jotaro creates a strategy that, Pucci will use his stand(C-Moon) to deflect bullets fired by ermes. and during the timestop jotaro throws spear at Pucci and plans further that Pucci wouldn't realise that a spear was thrown at him because obviously, every action made by jotaro occurred in timestop only which means Pucci would have no records of what happened in timestop
*Page number 7:* jotaro counts down the time
*Page number 8:* Pucci moves in timestop (which is not supposed to happen since timestop is unstoppable)
*Page number 10:* jotaro thinks "HE... DURING THE TIMESTOP..." Which definetly means Pucci has indeed moved in time stop,
5) Infinite speed
22:32 - 27:37
[Part:1]
Infinite speed
"1+1=2, 1+1 is cause and 2 is effect now naturally according to G.E.R rtz you can't get to 2 if you reverted back to 1" no, the 1+1 meaning cause and 2 being effect does not hold any meaning to G.E.R, as both cause and effect is produced by actions, infact both cause and effects are action itself, and according to stand description rtz reverts willpower and action back to initial position, and this is not just any nonsensical statement, there is a proof of it working, everything in the rtz was reverted to their initial position from where they started and no this is not a time reversing ability, every action was reverted to a point where everything which had happened before rtz never occurred. So yes G.E.R rtz reverts willpower and action back to zero, which means cause and effects will be reverted unless that specific cause or effect transcend the term 'ACTION' or even transcend the dimensionality of G.E.R
"Now up against infinite speed you can't revert 1 back to 1 if you never got to 2 in first place" I don't think that is a valid reason, because it doesn't really matter, if the person with infinite speed is at 1 or 2, whatever he/she does is labelled as an 'ACTION' so wheather it be 1 or 2 it is still an action, cause is taken place by making an action, which produces effect, in each case cause and effects is nothing but action and according to rtz stand description G.E.R can revert actions and willpower to zero and in the anime it is seen that G.E.R was able to revert the actions of diavalo to a point beyond cause and effect, to explain it more simpler way, so diavalo KC skips the cause to reach effects, every actions and movements that occurred in timeskip is 'CAUSE' and the final conclusion at which diavalo arrives is effect, so diavalo skips cause to reach effects, for example in rissotto's and Doppio fight, the actions and movements that occurred in 1.5 second timeskip during last moments before rissotto's defeat is cause, bullets hitting risotto was also a cause which diavalo skips, the rissotto's sudden defeat in rissotto's point of view is effect, and according to your argument "you can't revert 1 back to 1 if you never got to 2 in first place", G.E.R should have done rtz till the diavalo punches/dounut's event which is cause, but in the anime, G.E.R reverted diavalo to a point even beyond, or at an event even before the cause took place, that is G.E.R reverted even diavalo's time skip, to a point where he never timeskips. Therefore yes G.E.R can indeed revert actions even beyond the general term of cause and effect, and the thing about "Now up against infinite speed you can't revert 1 back to 1 if you never got to 2 in first place" is that, there is something wrong in this statement, because a character with infinite speed is same as character with finite speed, the thing is that one person can travel an incomprehensible distance (infinite) than other one, but in other factors they are exactly similar, so 'why does him being always 1 never reaching 2 and being irrevertable' is applied, if that was the case then even and character with finite speed would have same conditions too, but they aren't so it breaks it down to that the statement on 'him being always 1 never reaching 2 and being irrevertable' is incorrect and wrong, in a situation wise, let's say a character with infinite speed 'decides to hurt giorno, moves towards him, and attacks him at infinite or finite speed' this is cause, which according to you is 1, 'the results of him being hurt or injured' is an effect which according to you is 2, I don't see anywhere the person with infinite speed even reaching 2 and all that while still being at 1, so the statement on "Now up against infinite speed you can't revert 1 back to 1 if you never got to 2 in first place" is wrong, as I think what you were trying to say is that the person with infinite speed is able to reach 2 (effect) while still being at 1 (cause), but by comprehending and interpreting the situation based of that, it literally makes no sense, hence it is incorrect, therefore a character with infinite speed can be reverted back to zero without any problem, the only thing that is a problem is speed, G.E.R would be dealing with a character having speed literal infinite, so unless G.E.R has infinite speed or higher, it would've been speed blitz even before the activation of rtz, but luckily thanks to guidebook statements, which makes G.E.R achieve infinite speed, now it depends upon how you interpret the stand stats as, there are more evidence leading for stand stats to be clearly refering to physical power, most of the evidence favours for physical power rather than ability, so either the way whichever way you consider, speed is definitely above infinite, so any character with infinite speed has no possible way to defeat G.E.R because of its speed and hax which acts as defence is greater than 'infinite'in speed
In this one here I would deny the statement on G.E.R atleast not having infinite speed, because G.E.R has in minimum infinite speed, this is just my reason but I am confident and it is correct because of the following reason-
So you see there are lots of statements on G.E.R in every guidebook, and one of the statement says that G.E.R surpasses the existing stands and cannot measured by stand measuring rod, now taking the existence of stands like Notorious Big which appears as an existing stands in part 5 into consideration, we can see that the stats of Notorious Big states it's speed as infinite in manga, using the same statement from guidebook it can be said that G.E.R surpasses notorious big in physical power, so G.E.R > notorious big, and using that G.E.R speed > notorious big speed, which explains that G.E.R has infinite speed, and it doesn't really matter how you look at it, as for ability or physical power, it still implies that G.E.R has speed at infinite
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Inaccessible speed
"A similar aline of logic would follow in terms of G.E.R being unable to revert an opponent with inaccessible speed this time with the opponent being unable to be reverted because you can't revert zero back to zero when you never got to like at least 1 in first place right" I still don't think this can be agreed because as said before "whatever he/she does is labelled as an 'ACTION' so wheather it be infinite speed or inaccessible speed it still produces an action to proceed the situation", so they are pretty much getting reverted regardless of whether they are at 1, 2 or even 0, and the thing with inaccessible speed is that it is nothing but, as the definition goes,"a character which is capable of traveling finite or infinite distances in no time" As you can see there is not much of a difference in it except being able to travel even in region where time doesn't exist, so it is nothing but mostly a person with infinite and finite speed just granted with the power to move freely in space without time as a factor(and no, this is arguable but a character which can move in stopped time or character whose speed, movements and action causes time to stop for them are not granted inaccessible speed, because if it was really that case then characters like Pucci and tusk act 4 would've been granted inaccessible speed but it is not the case so it really isn't, inaccessible speed is just grants a character to move in the space with no time that is the only advantage, it won't give any other advantages + it depends on whom you are putting them up against, if they are against characters who can erase time, then I would say they have some advantage but in this case we are talking about G.E.R so it just is not possible), so G.E.R can just revert their actions, and you see G.E.R was able to revert actions beyond cause itself as seen in last arc G.E.R reverted Diavalo's actions to a point beyond the time erasure which is the origin of cause, which directly indicates that G.E.R can revert person's actions not just at 1 or 0 but beyond it, so I don't see anywhere why G.E.R wouldn't be able to revert person with inaccessible speed, and G.E.R has resistance to time erasure (I know I have watched your video on KC time erasure being not a literal time erasure, but I would say it is somehow a time manipulation related ability and since G.E.R has resistance to it, G.E.R should have no trouble in moving in space without time as G.E.R was able to resist the one directional flow of time) so it could be arguably said that G.E.R has inaccessible speed, and I would say arguably, not like G.E.R not having inaccessible speed would result in his defeat but still I would say arguably, it would give him a minimum advantage to battle, and it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day they would still be reverted regardless of infinite or inaccessible speed due to the production of action in the process, which will be reverted. So G.E.R does reverts person with inaccessible speed and is able to defeat them.
This was absolute fire, new sub gained
Huh. So, this is what you meant when you said GER is overrated. Nice argument.
Thx bruv 💚
@@JobberGodot you’re welcome, Jobbor! Keep up the good work!
Oh shid the madman made it!
Finally, that scene is EoH makes slightly more sense.
Well...
Pucci is now the strongest in the Original Universe lmaooo.
FR! 🤣
Great video! This has completely changed my mind on GER.
Thx bro, this video pierced the heavens!!!
If the damn mangaka says its the peak stand than its the peak stand
I've been waiting for a video like this. I've been debating too many people telling them that GER is not the strongest stand.
It is by far the strongest stand tho
@@IengemSoft and wet is stronger
@@JohnTendency proof?
@@Iengem Technically, it's up to interpretation on the nature of return to 0 and what aspect of reality it affects.
Great video man, I would be very interested to know who you think wins between pucci MIH and Giorno GER, I'm not sure if you have made a video on it already but i'll go search a bit
Keep up the good work
I’ll have a video on GER vs MiH very soon!
A month late but hey, why not
I think GER is more in line with and closer to a god like stand.
Evidence would be its effects when diavolo erases time. It managed to activate when he was close to attacking giorno. Keyword was close.
Since this is outside of time the natural flow of time it means that most people cant tell their future actions leading up to it.
GER speaks to diavolo as if he knows what is going on and explains to him that its ability is unparalleled (speaking only of RTZ). I think it is more of a stretch since we dont see it fight any other stand other than kc so lets take it on its word.
Ignoring eyes of heaven, anything that directly confronts it should be able to be nullified by GER.
20:40 This is the same as how people figure out that time is skipping. Having ways of seeing the effects of timeskip and being able to work around it afterwards is no different than seeing a bunch of things happen instantly and deducing Dio is stopping time and then working around it afterwards. Really the blood drop technique is more similar to Joseph wrapping himself with hermit purple (to stop dio from touching him) as its a way to counter the ability after it happens. The person doesn't know timeskip/timestop is happening until its already over giving Diavolo/Dio free time to set up their next attack(throwing blood drops/knifes). In Dio's case he can even attack during timestop or choose to set up an attack. I feel like timeskip and timestop are equally unavoidable because there's nothing you can do to actively prevent those abilities from activating except for obviously killing the user. All you can do is prepare an attack for once the ability ends.
When Diavolo skips time, I’ll be able to tell either via blood drop method or paying attention, and he we always be behind me mid attack, so I’ll be able to react to him. Meanwhile Dio stops time and i’m already dead in zero time, or if he doesn’t kill me, I don’t know where tf he went or did. Timeskip and Timestop are NOT the same unavoidability lol
The guidebook statement from JoJoveller also state Diavolo can’t attack while the ability is activated.
Im gonna watch the vid now, if you successfully debunk GER you will forever be a legend for it
;)
@@JobberGodotBro you actually did an amazing job with this vid. Basically how op GER is depends on how fast you think the activation speed is which makes way more sense than it being instant. It also goes along with Araki claiming WoU is now the most powerful ability over anything seen before.
Btw do you think Tusk Act 4 beats GER with this logic since in my belief GER shouldn't be able to rewind an infinite attack, since by this videos logic the nail bullet has to make contact with the ger even if only for a nanosecond for it to be rewound in which time the infinite rotation should transfer to GER and Giorno ( bearing in mindthe only ability seen to defeat the infinite spin is Calamity and Over Heaven) but I'm curious what you think?
Great Video though keep up the great work!
@@cronosx5749 I think Tusk Act 4 obliterates GER, and I will do a video on that topic very soon to explain why
@@JobberGodot Can't wait! Keep cooking my friend 👍
@@JobberGodotCan’t wait to continue the grilling of GER because this debunk on it being the strongest Stand in the series was excellent and well argued in every way possible.
This is where the fun begins
Truly 😈
MUDAA
@@JobberGodot GER Still solos goku
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1. To begin, GER’s Stand stat page does not support your claim of GER’s stats referring to Return to Zero. The section titled "Ability" does not serve as an explanation of the Stand's stats; rather, it provides further explanation of the Stand's, hear me out on this one, ability/abilities. Additionally, you mentioned JOJOVELLER as supporting evidence, but you have not shown any statement from it to substantiate your claim
2. You asserted that King Crimson has Small City Level Attack Potency yet haven't shown any calc to prove that
3. The claim that Silver Chariot is consistently calced to be MFTL+ makes me question your understanding of the term "consistently”. Or are you unaware of the other Silver Chariot calcs? Just off the top of my head, I can name like four calcs making Silver Chariot MFTL, while there are only around 2-3 MFTL+ calcs
4. Bruno didn’t physically strike the pillar. Diavolo's forecast-esque images show him how fate plays out. Furthermore, in Diamond is Unbreakable, it was established that once blood leaves a person's body, it stops being a part of them. Therefore, Diavolo can use his blood on the projections because the blood itself is also a projection. You mentioned that Diavolo cannot interact with people and objects during Time Erase, so if he only erases the perception of time, why is he unable to interact with them? Also, the fact that his blood "interacts" with people further supports my point
5. It seems you may be contusing temporal dimensionality and spatial dimensionality. Time as the fourth dimension is supported by its integration into the concept of spacetime, the phenomenon of time dilation, its mathematical representation alongside spatial dimensions, and its crucial role in establishing temporal order and causality. These factors indicate that time is an inseparable part of the four-dimensional universe
6. You claim that JoJo's future events have yet to happen, yet we blatantly know that Epitaph has the ability to SEE the future. The future has already been set in stone. It exists in a sense. So after Time Erase ends, everything gets skipped 10 seconds into the already known and established future. In contrast, if you used a forecast for the future in our universe, we would literally see nothing. You are drawing comparisons between OUR world and JJBA's
7. Umm... what? Only Diavolo, King Crimson, and GER have the ability to move while in erased time. Diavolo seeing the forecast-esque images of people moving does NOT equate to them physically moving in erased time as they don't physically exist during that period.
8. This would imply that King Crimson has Universal+ level Hax Potency, not physical Attack Potency. There is a big difference between the two. Also, no, it wouldn't scale to one's durability
9. Sure, ultimate Stands have ultimate abilities, but this statement alone does not prove that having the ultimate ability is the sole qualification for being the ultimate Stand. If Return to Zero lacks strength, as you mentioned earlier, how can it then possess an attack potency surpassing that of existing Stands? The JoJo-A-GO!GO! statement is referring to GER's physical Attack Potency instead
10. You are comparing two very different Stands. Silver Chariot Requiem having quality X while being Y doesn't inherently entail GER having quality X because he is Y. We know this is faulty reasoning, as "regular Stands" can have very different characteristics from each other despite all being "regular Stands." Also, Giorno didn't lose GER BECAUSE the arrow fell to the ground. The arrow fell to the ground BECAUSE Giorno lost GER. As you have indirectly stated it yourself, GER is based on Giorno's desires at the time of stabbing himself with the arrow. Once his desire was fulfilled ("killing" Diavolo), GER had no purpose anymore
11. Once again, no, GER's Stand stat page does not support your theory. Let me quote the page directly: "Those who are struck by this power will have even their deaths reverted to zero, and thus continuously die an infinite number of times." The term "struck" here is metaphorical, ras return to zero isn't a physical ability. It can't physically strike someone. This statement explicitly talks about the effects of Return to Zero on someone when it "hits" them, and it is not related to GER's beam hitting Diavolo's hand at all
12. Trish being able to sense Diavolo means jack shit. I'm sorry but its true. Even if GER's ability were to transport Diavolo to a different continent, Trish would still be able to sense his presence. Unless you believe that Diavolo is being transported across different space-time continuums, which would be an absurd and baseless claim
13. GER doesn't make the first move? This argument has to be satire, right? Once Giorno got GER, guess who was the first to attack. GER. He shot a light beam at Diavolo. Then he started closing the distance between Diavolo and himself while Diavolo was just standing there. Later, while in time erase, we find out that he was moving closer to Diavolo in order to beat the fuck out of him. Did you even read the manga? It is consistent that GER will make the first move
14. Again with the City Level scaling...
15. What? Post-coma Star Platinum isn't MFTL, as he couldn't even react to a slightly faster than a bullet train Made in Heaven. Stop being disingenuous Jobber
16. Early acceleration Made in Heaven is not capable of blitzing GER, as one is slower than a regular train while the other has already been established as MFTL, as mentioned by you in the vd
17. Made in Heaven never shortened Star Platinum's Time Stop. The English manga falsely translated the raw scan, but that's a topic for another day.
1-GER's stats are related to it's ability, emporio's stand has the exact same stats as GER, but surely you wouldn't claim a stand that doesn't even have an attack to be on GER's level correct? This is because emporio's and giorno's stand have specific abilities that their stats are completely disregarded.
@@mizzixthat's wrong because you can't compare Emporio stand and GER since burning down the house can't attack meanwhile GER can
@@mizzixbecause its a fucking room, it literally has nothing nor any statements to refer to its actually physical being, unlike ger which directly states its in reference to its “surpassing attack power”. You and the author of this video are just being dishonest and stretching to make a bad argument.
@@mizzix ger's stand stats arent the stand but revert to zero
Long time no see man, really nice video love the research and editing!
Also you had a new disc server correct? Could you slide it rq
Thx man, I’ll have a discord link next week!
@@JobberGodot Sounds good to me, keep up the good work
Pretty good vid, through I have no idea what any of these FTL, metaverse-wording terms that people keep throwing, nor do I really care since it diminish in the actual writing of powers and such.
Reminds me of playground fun when kids try to argue their fan character is the strongest XD
Honestly the jojo power system is kinda confusing in general i used to think ger was like 5d when it comes to its ability cause causality manipulation and all the other stuff people tended to hype it up with. Everyone just repeated all the same arguements over it was almost like a general consensus that it scales so much higher due to things like Mih and tusk act 4. But i kinda had the thought of whether all the things were true or not like how a>b which means its better than c type thing. I did think that it had only building level ap due to needing to punch diavolo before killing him and the death loop thing was only him making diavolo "never reach his death" as an extension of the return to zero ability. It depends but if this video becomes a more accepted view point it really was weaker than i thought.
Since Jojo has a lot of upscaling going on, I just say: "Go Beyond is better" and then get back to eating glue
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Tl;dw “So It’s The Same Type Of Stand As Star Platinum Huh?”
If y’all want all this videos sources,translations,scans,etc. They are all linked in the description in the google doc.
Some stuff I want to clarify on, when I say RTZ is Uni+ because it has a similar scope to Timestop, I forgot to add in my previous argument that i’ve made on the channel with evidence that with Time abilities affecting “The World” would just mean Universe in JoJo, Diavolo’s ability has similar descriptions as a Time ability (Really it’s just Fake Time Hax, Only skips/erases perception of time), but the point is that Time Skips range should be Universal, and with GER using real time hax that being RTZ, It should be Uni+, at least in my opinion. For the EoH arguments cause I know some weirdos are gonna use a NON CANON JoJo video game in support of GER, the time limit GER has in the game is simply a game mechanic, just like how MiH has a time limit as well. Another thing is that thought that GER “Could” stand up to EoH Dio, and obviously he was wrong as GER got folded like an omelet with no praise, GER still scales nowhere but to what was shown and stated in Part 5. If y’all want to learn more about why Time isn’t the 4th Dimension and what the 4th Dimension ACTUALLY is, please consider watching this very informational video I have timestamped ua-cam.com/video/P-CLBU6iwTk/v-deo.html
Anyways I hope y’all enjoyed the video, make sure to like,share, and subscribe.
Yeah I've talked about GER on TikTok recently with him fighting or going up against comic book Wanda aka Scarlet witch And I'm like she could just erase his entire stand from existence with her reality warping hax And this was a recent thing and I got a whole bunch of fans of Giorno saying no and everything about that I'm like she's done it plenty of times to several beings like instantly
And I've made a video of Giorno with GER vs sosuke Aizen in the same thing Giorno fans didn't accept that The reason why I think GER can't beat Aizen is because of his hypnosis I think he can put the stand under hypnosis because the stand is sentient just like Giorno is And if both of them are under hypnosis I don't think GER would know if time was set back to zero or not because the hypnosis would make it look like it is or isn't
I do have discord and I am a part of your group though so it would be cool to talk about this type of thing but that's not my decision if I should be a part of that you know I mean or that's how I feel but I really like the video that you made
ok, but what if GER's ability is replace with a new ability: Infinity to One, where no matter what happens, in every timeline, only one will happen, which Giorno can choose the true next action
I feel like when it says 'perfect stand', it's referring to being a perfect counter to King Crimson due to it being perfect for the situation. Since the Requiem arrow pierces u and evolves ur stand to literally what u need to win.
Man chose violence on ger 😂
“Jobber Godot: The Biggest GER Hater”, I like the sound of that lol 😂
Recently I’ve been at the stance that WoU would not be unaffected by RTZ, and with this video, a more solid argument can be made that WoU’s calamities won’t be effected too
Idk if this is true or not, but I heard someone say that Araki stated after he created part 6 but before he created part 7 that GER was the strongest stand he ever created.
That is not true lol
I’d say the “perfect Stand” statement means that it’s a perfect Stand to defeat Diavolo
Im not seeing anything that makes any sense in this video can someone summarize it since i dont have time for a 40 minute ramble
Summary: Jobber is a fraud, this video doesn't make sense
Bro is trying to start a war.
And I’m here for it.
30:00 I do want to say I think these quotes specifically are referring to the death loop and not RTZ as a whole, saying that those who are hit by GER are put in the death loop and not that you have to hit someone first in order to activate RTZ.
The Infinite Death Loops NEEDS RTZ, it’s RTZ as a whole lol, Reverting actions & will To Zero, Reverting Diavolo the millisecond before he dies to zero, putting him into a different scenario, creating an Infinite Death Loop. Also once again they say those STRUCK by that power, will be RTZ’d INCLUDING their deaths as both go hand in hand
@@JobberGodot To me it seems like the infinite death loop is more of an offensive application of RTZ rather than just RTZ, even though it’s still part of the same ability it functions fundamentally differently than how RTZ is used in combat against Diavolo. The death loops needs RTZ to activate because it is just a different application of the same power, but to me it seems like it also needs GER to physically beat someone so that he can activate the death loop. I think the defensive, reactionary RTZ could have functioned whether or not Giorno hit Diavolo with that rock, but he needed to hit him with his mudamuda rush in order to activate death loop.
@@mbot1901This is actually a very good analysis. I agree.
Good job!
This was a really good video and had lots of well-researched points and arguments, but overall, I think the answer boils down to how you interpret GER affects reality and its opponents. It just reverting time would be much weaker than reverting the will and actions of its opponents to zero.
Wow this was a lot to take in
FR! 😂
Star Platinum is physically inferior to GER. “Attack power” is just referring to physical strength/destructive force, not the RtZ ability
He didn’t shoot a beam at Diavolo, he finger flicked a piece of GE’s shell with such force that it broke the side of the building. Star Platinum never came close to doing that in terms of strength. So it’s proven true as well
lol
I think it was a rock floating around her but the point still applies I guess
Yea, that argument that attack power is referring to RTZ sounds like major headcanon.
It’s not headcanon, the same page they talk about Attack Power, the reference panel they give for that is Diavolo being RTZ’d
That’s destructive capabilities which don’t mean anything in the end. GER’s best scaling is above Silver Chariot which Star Platinum exceeds in strength and Part 3 makes that very clear.
holy shet W video, i love how some of the comments are "blablabla something somthing ger have a speed reaction limit so goku solos" watch the video once and i will again cuz ahhh smooth brain
Let’s see it
Diver down is the best stand cause it has diverse uses and also can one shot most humans
Diver down could definetly beat every villain if they fought him at the same time (100% totally isnt sarcasm)
W video. I’ll admit, it’s a bit sad to hear he isn’t as op as I thought, but facts are facts. This was worth the wait. Great job as always Jobber.
Thx man, glad you enjoyed the video!
Alot of thease stamens aren't facts and more his opinions like kc erasing the perception of time
40 whole minutes yeat, carti, and uzi dropping summer looking good so far
Cool video but its so confusing for no reason
Great and mind blowing video! And a little bit brave of you to stand off against the GER fanboys.
World over heavn isn't cannon
good video jobber i was wondering if you think jotaro could beat wonder of u?
Nah
Unrelated to GER but on the topic of infinite speed, isn’t time stop basically infinite speed since he can perform an action in a matter of 0 units of time?
Kinda, only difference is that one deals with moving in stopped time
Very good and I agree with most but I'm kinda confused about your debunk for King Crimson, you say he can't erase time because he'd like erase the universe as well since it needs time to exist, but wouldn't that happen with time stop too since it's also ceasing time?
If you at the text on screen at that part, I mean if we take the visual effect of time erase (aka everything going away/being erased) literally then he’d be erasing the Universe
Let's see what you're cooking here...
So technicalities make it and everything weaker or vague,also saying destructive power equates to strength that's like counting a persons general speed to their reflexes, reaction and battle speed. wait is there a video where someone explain how okyatsu(probably spelled that wrong) with za hando could possibly actually erase time or to say it isn't possible? Cause it was stated that Za hando could erase anything so I'm curious.
Bro thank you for explaining this these GER fan boys are out of control and thank you for explaining Diavolo abilities as well the amount of people thank still think he erases time unreal W vid.
He does erase time, most of the points jobber made were incorrect.
This just makes me hate jojos power system
Understandable.
same, but i dont hate my hate for it
Why hate one of the best power system in all of shonen?
Well, I watched your video and found your arguments valid, but I'm going to counter it.
GER does not manipulate causality or things related to time, he just REVERSES the actions or what led Giorno to his end, then reversing the situation.
Regarding Perfect Stand; Ultimate stands are not suitable for this. Ultimate Stand is a more powerful ability than other stands, such as Star Platinum. This is why in fact the stand is perfect, it is extremely powerful and you will understand after I finish.
Regarding Stats: Well, it's simply easy to see that GER's statistics show that it is not a COMMON stand, as it can attack and act even though it has no stats. In addition to the quote that says he is incomparable and his stats cannot be measured with STAND stats. And at this point in the story, infinity was already a classification, and it was little to classify GER with infinity, as powers go beyond that.
And MIH couldn't do anything, as it was stopped at TS and RTZ>TE>Timestop.
GER is not only above stands below part 5, but also all subsequent ones as no skill has come to compare. In addition to the stats that are NORMAL, even for Tusk or SAW.
The point is what I'm going to say now: GER will only reverse Giorno's death. And this is shown when he just reverses the fate predicted by Epitaph.
And you can say that supposedly the GER doesn't have speed HAX because the TE is a fake, but that's not true!
Diavolo erases everything within 10m, which means he erases existence and people. So people who were erased (because we couldn't see the horizon), ceased to exist and returned later to where they would have been in 10 seconds in time, understand? Anyone who is not erased is FORCED to do what they would do for Fate. Diavolo erases all reality to benefit HIMSELF, and even though it has no such effect on people, the ability is better for himself, transcending space-time, allowing him to transcend the future. And GER reverted him to this state and the STATE of a place where the temporal DIMENSION did NOT exist.
This is very good to show that GER does have speed stats and feats, which are above most stands.
It is worth mentioning that it is so powerful that it can make a person revert forever and affect even their deaths, making Diavolo die infinitely in parallel UNIVERSES, which gives a HAX multiversal range of great power.
I read a comment that opened my mind. Destiny is the fundamental concept of Jojo's world, standing above time itself. This means that as GER (really transcended time) he went beyond destiny and can change it, automatically RTZ >> TS and temporal abilities.
I saw the video but I don't remember everything, so this is what I could remember.
Go Beyond possible to be >> RTZ, butIt's not proven and also, Gappy has difficulty hitting Go Beyond, so it would be difficult for him to do so, which is why he would still lose, and would also be defeated by several other characters.
I don’t think this comment is valid, please try watching my current video on this subject 6 months later, some things have changed
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@@JobberGodotAs it is not valid if I refuted that. I will watch your new video, but don't be so ignorant.
@@bitc4deplantaoThat's a straw man fallacy
I wonder what’s your opinion on wonder of u, where do you scale him. And do you think calamities could work in time stop? I have studied wonder of u abilities and hax and wonder of u dimensional. I personally scale him above every single stand in the series, yes even the requiem stands and the heaven ascended stands.
I’ll make a video on WoU soon, I think Calamities could work in Timestop, and I do think that WoU is above every stand except S&W GB.
Great video man ive always felt like people were hog riding GER
I can now debunk any rtz > arguments thanks bro 💀
It isn't as strong as we think because what we think is that it isn't as strong as we think
Bro i just realized that youre a "small" youtuber. I didnt bother looking at your subs and just thought you had over 200k.
I may be small, but everything I do is big 💪🏾🔥, I’ll get to 100k eventually, promise
1:02 What you said in this timestamp, was such a down to Earth quote. Just like you I used to think GER was truly unbeatable and could either beat or stalemate every character in fiction. I used to debate people on GER vs topics back in the day. I used to have GER at Multiversal AP scaling off of Tusk act 4, and with immeasurable speed scaling off of Made in Heaven. But as time passed I began to realise that there wasn't really any evidence to support that scale. You can thank Metas for putting that idea in my head (and Kaleb AI). Know I look back thinking how silly I was to think that.
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Metas conclusion on ger is way more accurate than jobber's.
@@Iengem metas helped make this video 💀😭
Besides my opposing position on time erasure, that being that time is literally being erased, I agree with your video! It’s really well put together! Great composition.
And just to elaborate, I acknowledge your explanations on why it shouldn’t be a literal, I just disagree with how they actually apply. But as we’ve done before, we were just agree to disagree.
if time was literally being erased, characters like bruno, polnareff, or even diavolos blood wouldn't be able to move
@@mult1versal before the skip exist, during the skip does not exist, after the skip does exist. Think of it like a video editor, removing the space in between.
@@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow if it truly did that, nothing would be able to move within it
And if go beyond didnt exist, it wouldnt be able to interact with anything💀so many contradictions with all of this
@@benjamingutierrez2191 it doesn't exist ON OUR DIMENSIONAL SCALE. it's a 4D (arguably 5D) construct.
Jobber is such the GOAT for making an entire forty minute video on all of this and explaining it
Still dominates living souls and is the “ultimate stand”. Based off narrative (NOT outright powerscaling) GER should still be like top 3 in the original verse (1-6). This is stuff METAs talked about a while ago (the living soul and Ultimate stand narrative I mean, and it’s still debatable for both)
If he's narratively stronger then he should be stronger overall, too bad he isn't
I know you didn’t watch the whole video to come to this conclusion, it’s a 40 minute video, and you commented this nonsense 20 minutes after it came out lol 😂
Plus Star Platinum is "Ultimate Stand" too with a narrative not only being the physically fastest and strongest stand, but also having the strongest stand ability "Time Stop", even in Part 6 when GER still exists, meaning that Star Platinum's "Narrative" supersedes GER from Part 5
@@JobberGodot my point isn’t that GER isn’t the strongest in the verse but the stands called Ultimate stands such as SP:TW and GER should be top of the original verse. Characters like Jotaro and Giorno should be up there based off that narrative, though it’s more debatable of who is the strongest aside from things we see outright in the series. What I said may sound stupid but it’s not the WORST thing. Plus GER would be weaker than stuff seen in 7/8 regardless which I’m not debating as they have blatantly better abilities both narratively and scaling wise.
@@weskintime4177 That's fine to think that, and I think the Ultimate Stand Ability Narrative,statements, and evidence should be applied to the part they were said and below, especially in the parts 1-6 Universe, and just because they're GER is an Ultimate stand doesn't mean he's Top 5 in verse. As there's other stands that while aren't Ultimate Stands can body GER pretty bad like MiH and Heavens Door,etc
Just to tell ya, Requiem isn’t something that remains the same. Ger abilities and stats change for each opponent, as Giorno has to use requiem after his mission is complete. Like, if he would ever encounter Dio, and has to fight him, he would use requiem and Ger would get a now form made on purpose to defeat Dio, so something really useful to counter him and like that
Fake news and you're basically saying it's the same type of stand as star platinum in an alternate skin.
Jojo fans when headcannon:
Wtf you're completely wrong it dosnet change
Hey Jobber, I just remembered this argument. I heard someone say something about the Death Loop a while back. It was something like this:
“Diavolo is technically still alive in the river so if someone retrieves his body from there and gives him CPR, he’ll be broken out of the loop.”
Does this sound like it makes sense or is it headcannon? Granted this was WAY before your video but I’d like to reiterate I didn’t make this point.
That argument is kinda weird, honestly I’d rather just stick to what I argued that has a little bit more substance
Seeing all those ger videos i always thought that ger was overhyped
Dude i’m so glad this video came out because I used to think GER was top 1 and was high multiversal until i stepped back and realized he only had one scene and one use of his ability
Yeah but that one time was enough to state that GER can’t be beaten because any action done toward GER will never have happened
lol GER lil used only a little of its power, its obviously even more powerful
@@lunar3055 new statements are more reputable than older ones so no that doesn't work anymore also there are loopholes
@@mbot1901 new statements aren’t automatically more reputable than old statements but sure I’ll play your game. How bout when araki said GER was the strongest stand even after steel ball run. Revert to zero is the most powerful ability in jojos and the only way to beat it is to have some sort of reality warping powers like with twoh. There is no canon stand that can beat GER
@@mbot1901 also what loopholes elaborate
29:37 this is the strongest point in this argument, and i’m not even kidding
Wait I’m confused I thought ger had to kill someone to put them in the death loop but on the stand statement it talks about revert to zero and says those who are struck by this power will have their death reverted to zero so the continuously die does that mean if ger activates it’s ability and ur the enemy you revert and then get put in death loop?
Also why did he bring up about the part 7 8 9 and how he said ger is stronger then stands below part 5 like there’s no need to even bring that up araki already said wou was stronger then all stands below it with calamity
Ok i kinda agree and kinda disagree with this.
1. Yes, GER stats are refearing to its ability. But its "attack power" surpassing stands probably isnt, since RTZ cant be used in offensive ways. But even without those statements, GER has insane feats. It was able to move 10s of meters before diavolo cpuld see anything happening, and its attacks are strong enough to pierce through king crimson (who should physically be comparable to star platinum in tearms of speed and likely strength)
2. GER doesnt need to hit to activate RTZ. It needs to hit to activate death loop. It was never said that it needs to hit to use RTZ in deffensive way. It also doest depend on reaction, since it activated in TE, where it shouldnt be conscious
3. King crimson does erase time. It has been said multiple times to erase time itself, it never talked about perception. He erases everything in universe within 10 seconds time frame (thats why we see background getting destroyed and everyone pass through him)
Characters being able to move there doesnt give them immeasurable speed, since they are just moving by their fated action (its like when you erase part of video while editing. That part doesnt happen and os erased, but the effect of those action happens. Diavolo is the only one who can exist and see those actions that dont actually happen).
Diavolo was never said to be intangible, thats just headcanon.
And blood trick is bit weird, but its probably just plot hole.
Also, him erasing time frame isnt even my interpretation. Its straight up confirmed: ""i ERASED 0.5 seconds. Entire WORLD within that INTERVAL is erased". There is no counter argument here. Its just ability to cut time frame and skip into future
4. GER should be able to react to things that happen in 0 seconds. Time skip happens in 0 seconds for outside world as well, yet it reacted to him (time skip also goes into future, and skips time frames. So it should be immesurable speed even)
5. Stats being 0 isnt because its hard to measure. In this context, its talking about it being stronger than all stands. I say this because of narrative. Entire point of part 5 finale is that arrow gives you "power of allmighty god", or "power BEYOND stands" that can "control the world" and that is "whole another dimension". Giorno uses power of requiem (source of power for all other stands) to its full extent. So when giorno got requiem, he overpowered king crimson (stand ability that can skip time and change fate) and confirmed to be "beyond every stands". So when stats say "Its ability cant be measured" its most likely refearing to what was narratively explained about requiem surpassing all other stands
6. Star Platinum stats WOULDNT be 0. TS got overpowered by tusk (power of infinity) and MiH (also power of infinity). In other words, GER>stand stats>infinity=Tusk>time stop.
So in other words, i believe that GER is strongest because of part 5 narrative, stats that support said narrative and feats of overpowering TE and fate itself
Also, i will add, GER isnt just passive stand that doesnt do anything. It was "just standing there" because characters were talking about stuff, its not something in universe thats supposed to be plot point.
It didnt aim for king crimsons arm. It aimed for head, diavolo used epitaph and dodged.
And the reason why it didnt attack TWOH is for same reason anyone else didnt. It was to show how OP dio is. And them fighting one at time is best way to show that he is stronger than all of them
Also, sorry if comment is all over the place. Ive been editing it few times, so there are a lot of issues i didnt notice. If you have hard time understanding anything, ask
Everything you said is completely wrong given the evidence and consistency i’ve shown in my video while you have no evidence and consistency imo, but I’ll respectfully agree to disagree cause I don’t feel like trading essays with you lol
Your first point lacks any evidence to your statements up. King Crimson’s strength and speed is nowhere near Star Platinum. Star Platinum is massively faster than armorless Silver Chariot, way better than any speed feat from Diavolo matching armored Silver Chariot. The same thing goes with strength as Diavolo only scales to Silver Chariot, Star Platinum in part 3 is mentioned constantly to be the strongest Stand in the part, without mentioning Jotaro’s own durability which allows him to take hits from The World directly m.
Second point you make too many assumptions and lack anything so not much needs to be said.
Third is pretty easy to debunk as there’s no evidence or statements of time erasure destroying everything. On top of that the translations that Jobber used prove that Diavolo can’t attack while the ability is activated which is why everything passes through him. Since it’s coming from Araki there’s no way for you to say otherwise
You say the stats are referring to RTZ ability but then contradict yourself here.
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1. believe that silver chariot star platinum and king crimson are all comparable. Star Platinum wasnt as fast as anubis silver chariot. He got surpassed when abubis started using polnareffs physical body. Jotaro says that silver chariot isnt someone he can hold back against. KC was said to be "first class" is strength/speed (something that only SP has been called). Was shown blitzing entire part 5 gang while being 5+ meters out of range. SP and KC also have a lot of parallels writting wise, where they are shown doing simmilar feats. So KC is clearly meant to be simmilar to SP. But even if you disagree, GER feats against KC>>>>>SP feats against silver chariot
2. RTZ was never said to need physical contact to activate. Also, GER was shown using its ability on things it didnt touch (leaf, birds, clouds, bullets, and even giorno himself). He didnt touch any of those did he? Every statement shown in video talks about death loop
3. Wdym? I literally gave you quote "entire WORLD within that INTERVAL is erased". Diavolo literally spelled it our for you💀
There is also the fact that we SEE background getting destroyed. There is the fact that its literally called "erasing time" and stand description explains that it erases time frame, what just gives illusion of time being skipped.
Also, i agree that he cant interact with things there. But thats because everything is erased, and what we see in time skip are just illusions made by epitaph.
This video argues that KC only erases memories, and him being intangible is extra ability insted of being side effect of time being erased. THAT is something that actually has no evidence
4. I believe that its PHYSICAL stats are finite, but stand stats are "none" because RTZ is so OP that it surpasses all stands. That makes more sense narratively, since entire point of Requiem is that its next evolution of stand that cant be compared to regular stands. So RTZ surpassing all stands makes more sense than it being hard to measure (in the context of part 5 at least). We also have to consider that this statements come from polnareff. Someone who has fought dio and is close friend with jotaro. Yet he believes that anyone who gets requiem will automatically be god within the verse
But can he beat 1 billon lions
Hell no
GER can't even beat a JoJoLION lol
@@JobberGodot is that a jojo référence 😱
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I’m glad you made this video. It never really sat well with me that GER is ‘the ultimate stand’ as it never really felt earned. I feel like it was too easy to gain the ultimate stand through just the Requiem Arrow Head, whilst other powerful stands in JoJo required so much more to achieve (e.g. Made In Heaven with all the heaven steps or Love Train with collecting all corpse parts). This is a good argument for GER being an incredibly strong stand, but not the one above all stands.
it is literally above of any stand,his ability is lit BROKEN, you're not able to do anything to him lol and thats only 1 of his abilities
@@christiangonzalez891bro didnt watch the video
@@epic-gamer57 Ger is literally the peak of all stands, the video had so many wrong points.
@@christiangonzalez891 Exactly, at least u get it lol.
@@Iengem Nice arguments
Wait, does this mean ger loses to Hol Horse?
Hol Horse's bullets were so fast that an armorless Silver Chariot couldn't hit them while King Crimson only fought a Silver Chariot with armor. If the bullets are fast enough, they could kill ger before he activates rtz.
Yep
Absolutely
Last I checked, Giorno wasn't the whole horse
This is the sort of thing where you have to realize the inherent flaws with powerscaling fiction as a concept. No offense, but there's no way this is narratively implied by Araki in any way. GER Stomps part 3 outside potentially timestops. Fate is the entire structure that parts 1-6 relies on and there are only 3 stands in parts 1-6 that are GUARENTEED to be beyond fate. Those are KC GER and MiH. You might put timestops and BtD up there too, but Dio, himself basically said he made the Heaven plan to rise above fate, so idk about that. KC could see what was fated to happen and escape the consequences for the user, GER completely defied Epitaph's prophecy, and MiH conquers fate in the new universe but gets outplayed.
@@Zexceeda pretty sure this was already talked about as this being causality manipulation through manipulation of fate which is something well known in power scaling.
Amazing video and honestly alot of valid points however a world where i can just say ger solos to goku fanboys is a better world so im gonna completely ignore everything you said
So if Diavolo had used time skip to dodge the "non-lethal beam" attack from GER, he could've possibly won?
No
@@JobberGodot Oh, okay. Nice vod btw.
Why is this video way confuse than king crimson ability?😂
Hey as long as some one doesn’t just ignore basic facts then your in the right imma finish this video but I bet I’ll be pleased
Am i getting something wrong in the stats debunk,because it doesn't make sense?
It is true that most stand stats refer to the stats of the stand's ability,but stands with ability that cannot be measured with the stat system of jjba have the stats of their physical humanoid stand.To me the reason for Burning down the house having none in every category is due bdh not being a humanoid stand,I don't even recollect it appearing physically.It feels more like a phenomenon/ability rather than the stand since the ability in itself cannot do anything the user can't.Take beach boy for example,it is a non humanoid stand,however beach boy can be controlled by the user to move in ways that pesci himself can't move a regular fishing rod,such as curving the line of the rod,though Pesci is casting the rod like a regular rod it has a range of motion that he himself can't perform with a regular rod.This is something bdh isn't shown to be able to do.
Examples of stands having their raw physical stats in the series would be most time related stands,take SP for example:
It has an A in everything except range,which is contradictary to time stop having infinite range and no destructive power of its own.
In general humanoid stands with abilities that can't be classified by the physical nature of the stat system just have the stats of the physical humanoid stand
Destructive power also in general refers to the raw direct destructive power caused by the ability of the stand,kiss has an A in every stat due to the replication ability.However tusk does not have an infinite destructive power from infinite rotation because the rotation itself applies no force,it has energy but doesn't have physical force,rather it rotates every cell in the body and "scrapes" it away infinitely,it's nothing more than a full body one shot with durability and regen negation.It does not apply direct force,rather causes destruction through an indirect method.Hence giving it only an A in destructive power(referring to how hard tusk can throw hands,pretty hard considering how it trades out d4c).Kiss on the other hand CAN apply direct physical force through the removal of the sticker.
However this feels too easy to be a debunk so I think im getting something wrong,so I hope someone can clarify this?
“To me the reason for Burning down the house having none in every category is due bdh not being a humanoid stand, I don't even recollect it appearing physically. It feels more like a phenomenon/ability rather than the stand since the ability in itself cannot do anything the user can't.”
BDH not being a humanoid therefore having none in every category doesn’t really follow because other non humanoid stands like “Super Fly” have an “E” in speed even though the stand itself doesn’t move because its a tower and the “E” in speed is in reference to its ability of damage reflection. And with BDH it’s stand description only talks about the ability, nothing physically (Cause the ability can’t do anything physically due to it being a ghost object that’s harmless). Plus the stand appears physically multiple times throughout Part 6 as a room, gun, computer,etc. Finally I feel this is a non point since in part 5 and in guides, Araki makes it pretty clear that the RTZ ability is what is trying to be measured, not GER physically.
“Examples of stands having their raw physical stats in the series would be most time related stands,take SP for example:
It has an A in everything except range,which is contradictory to time stop having infinite range and no destructive power of its own.”
Dunno where you got this idea from but it is simply incorrect, Star Platinum had the same stand stats before he even gained Timestop, and his stand descriptions consistently talk about how the stand is the fastest and strongest stand in the series. With a small side note about Timestop, and in the video I go over that if Timestop were to be measured by the stand measuring rod (Stand Stats), they’d all be none because the ability, just like RTZ, is hard to quantify physically due to its lack of a physical presence, I recommend you rewatch that part of the video again please. (Also i’m not gonna go over this “In general humanoid stands with abilities that can't be classified by the physical nature of the stat system just have the stats of the physical humanoid stand” Since your conclusion doesn’t follow.)
“However tusk does not have an infinite destructive power from infinite rotation because the rotation itself applies no force,it has energy but doesn't have physical force,rather it rotates every cell in the body and "scrapes" it away infinitely,it's nothing more than a full body one shot with durability and regen negation. It does not apply direct force, rather causes destruction through an indirect method. Hence giving it only an A in destructive power(referring to how hard tusk can throw hands,pretty hard considering how it trades out d4c).Kiss on the other hand CAN apply direct physical force through the removal of the sticker.”
Tusk Act 4’s stats refer to it physical capabilities outside its hax (As that would make the most amount of sense with no contradictions), and to say the stand doesn’t produce any physical force is straight up not true, I recommend you reread Tusk Act 4 vs Funny Valentine, because the stand is physically harming Valentine, AND it punched a small crater into the ground. Now if the stand were to be measured by its Hax, its stats would be “Infinite” in Power because the ability/Infinite Rotation is stated and shown to do Infinite damage, It’d be “Infinite” in precision as the damage being dealt is happening on a cellular level, and is erasing the opponent form existence, mind,body, and soul. Range would be “Infinite” because the ability travels to different Universes, an Infinite amount even. Speed would be “Infinite” too because of the same reason why Range has an “Infinite” stat, and before anyone tries it, no, Tusk Act 4 physically doesn’t have Infinite speed, but it’s ability in theory would. “Potential” already maxed. Durability could be “Infinite” or “None” depending on interpretations of this stand ability. Finally “Staying” would obviously be “Infinite” as the ability will stay on the opponent forever until they die. And the Kiss example falls flat because the only reason the stand could do a great amount of damage is something you yourself admit btw, is due to its ABILITY, not the stand physically.
@@JobberGodot Regarding BDH:
I don't really have credible statements for BDH(found a screen shot on reddit) or having the actual guide books,but based on the wiki and in series events BDH does not transform itself into ghost objects such as the room or the gun.It's more of a pure ability that helps emporio see,interact with and maybe store said ghost objects.
(The part in the underworld fight were the user keeps removing objects from his belly button)
Secondly me saying that bdh has no stats due to being non-humanoid was super generalised statement,but what i meant was the second part of it being a pure ability/phenomenon with no summonable form.
Also the ghost objects that BDH can bring about are not actually harmless/don't interact with living beings.
Now even if your statement of BDH appearing as the objects that Emporio uses was true,then that would be a contradictary arguement because that would give BDH staying and destructive power.
(Emporio being able to taste orange juice and other foods)
(Attempting to shoot Pucci)
(The bullets embedding themselves in rocks)
So,I just realised what you meant by araki referring to SP's main ability as it's sheer physical stats with time stop being just a side-dish
But you'd still have abilities like MIH or King Crimson
King Crimson's ability description being time erase and epitaph,along with it's poor stats being mentioned later on as a side note(METAs Video,i still have no clue where you guys find these descriptions)
Mih's ability being described as the ability to use the relation between gravity and time to accelerate the universe(METAs,once again)
Both still suffering from the aforementioned SP stat problem.
(Finite range,Managing to have destructive power)
Now,regarding the tusk issue,I just mentioned it as a side note cause I don't really mind but to clarify somethings(Somethings here might not be confirmed and might be statements from memory so if something I said is not true,it might not be):
Yes,I literally said tusk can throw hands,HARD too.(Not sure why you brought that up)
As for that stats you think would actually suit it if infinite rotation was being measured
I dont think tusk would have infinite destructive power because it does infinite damage(It lasts for ever,does not deal infinite damage)
Now this is really iffy to proove because from what i recall Diego states something along the lines of "Although it looks like they went to another dimension" when Johny hits the bystander women that were fawning over diego with inf rotation,after their bodies blow up without much bleed.Now this may just be headcanon,so don't quote me on this,but it looks like the way infinite rotation kills is being rotating every cell in your body and taking them to different dimensions,that was just my two cents on the damage on infinite rotation,but it's a really iffy topic so I'll leave it at that
(You can ignore this part regarding the GER stat thing,since this is just what i think about your other stats,completely unrelated)
As for range:I agree
As for speed...I don't,because from what it looks like in the manga the rotation does not follow valentine,but rather latches onto him after it lands.It does not have infinite speed for travelling through dimensions since d4c is the ability making that happen,the rotation just travelling through d4c,since gravity also travels with it,with the rotation being gravity.
Humans can't run 100kmph just cause they can drive a car that fast.
I agree with the staying and durability part but disagree with precision since johny can't precisly spin a single cell,Kiss can duplicate every cell,every atom and subatomic particle perfectly but it can't specifically take one of them and duplicate only that one small thing(low precision)
(Better start reading from here on out)
I don't know where I lost you here again,but I've never said Kiss is physically strong,it's the ability giving it the destructive power,what I think might've gotten confused was me referring to kiss damaging you through force and that's what 'destructive power' may refer to,which is why it has an A since the two objects colloding can cause massive damage through sheer force.
Where as from my previous statements about the infinite rotation deals damage(if they are true)
We can infer that the rotation itself has no damage,it simply rotates you and then teleports each individual cell in your body.This does not apply any direct force,damage like fire or punching would.
Which is why I think tusk has its physical stats.
Which(if true) would support the arguements above this one,regarding the stat system.
Sorry if the reply was too long,but I had to clarify somethings with statements,examples and feats.
Side note : Do you guys directly find the stat pages from the manga or is there a website where they have them stored?Almost lost my mind trying to find bdh and tusk's.
Oh
This video is wrong
You can blitz time stopper
But not ger since the stand prevent the attack from reaching the truth and it does at the place of the user contrary to jotaro
Tf is this lmao rtz isnt passive so u can just blitz giorno to win lol
So its the stand doing it without Gierno's awareness so its ability can only be applied if GER can apply its ability in time , so its not a true automatic ability huh... So if you scale over its speed you can beat it?
Yes
Also the fact the stand MUST hit you to activate it's ability is a weakness that could be exploited by true automatic stands... Wow so yeah.. he's strong in the context of JJBA but like in terms of fiction itself, not the most "unbeatable ability" out there
Also it's kind of funny jotaro lands a punch on dio and breaks his skull
Ger hits diavolo multiple times and the punches don't break his skull even though king crimson has low durability
I mean if diavolo couldn't erase time but only its perception why was he not shot through by the bullets from the plane?
I already went over that question in the video
Diavolo being intangible is another part of his ability. Araki confirms this in JoJoveller, that Diavolo can’t attack while the ability is activated, Jobber talked about this translation near the end of the video.
About the uni+ effect
Tiers are based on destroying/creating something on that scale, just freezing it, accelerating it, or skipping a moment in it isnt destroying it, since the abilities dont destroy anything they cant be tiered at all, ger’s tier is as strong as its own strength
He means that RTZ works on a Universal+ scale.
I agree that "time erasure" doesn't erase time, it is fate manipulation. But the manipulaton itself appears to be based on a kind of time manipulation, like a skipping foward, like when you press right arrow on youtube or something idk
I never said it didn’t? People out here be rewriting history lol. We all agree that KC erases time, but the disagreement is in the WAY he does it, hence I don’t believe he’s erasing time literally/temporally/physical, but I do think he’s erasing people’s PERCEPTION of time, letting fate as you said do all the work in moving these unconscious bodies around to what they were fated to do
@@JobberGodotwell he has to do a bit more then erase people's perception of time as he is
1 intangible during it
2 defying fate, which shouldn't be possible by just erasing people's perception of time
if he just erased people's perception of time then he shouldn't be getting any bonuses with his ability, and we know he does get them
in my opinion he erases time in this way:
He erases all time from now for the next ten seconds. And since that time got erased like a video for example you would end up at the end of the next 10 seconds.
Because all time is erased he cannot be damaged since there is nothing left to damage him hence the intangibility
The erasing isn't instant but it's a process that we can see from his point of view, and from everyone else's, since they got erased for 10 seconds when they come back they obviously have no recollection of things they never did, but as 10 seconds worth of time got erased they end up chronologically where they should have been
this also explains why people still get hurt even tho Diavolo is intangible, they simply end up where they would have anyways
and also saying time got erased and therefore shouldn't move is incorrect, as he doesn't just erase all time temporarily, he erases the actual next 10 seconds of time permanently and continues at the end of those 10 seconds, therefore everything ends up where it would have
and why Diavolo can throw blood on people's eyes is pretty simple as well, once he throws the blood it stops being a part of him and gets erased, so when the ability ends the blood will reappear where he threw it.
It splashing on people's faces can also be explained
Since it got erased it stopped being intangible/fate resistant and would have to get its own fate again, and that fate is getting stuck to the thing that would have been there if time wasn't erased
This is my understanding of the ability, i can still be wrong of course since Araki never explained it that well and didn't confirm anything but I feel very confident in this
@@pickle5337he isnt defying fate, he is putting himself in a better position for fate said this many times himself, everything he saw with epitaph of him looking like he died happened, he just puts himself in a better position for fate, also everything still happens in erased time like people moving and bullets going through diavolo, but he is intangible so he wouldnt get hurt, also he gets a free action too because whatever he is fated to do in time skip will happen, like clothes being put away and naracha being put on spikes, he is skipping foward in time for people but not for himself he can also see frame by frame of what happening in time skip, thats why when rtz is happening theres multiple of him standing there because time is being reversed back seeing only frames of himself standing, also blood leaving his body doesnt count to being his body anymore thus not being intangible and being able to become a blinding technique
Diavolo just becomes immune to fate for some seconds while erasing people’s perception
Him erasing peoples’ concepts of time doesn’t make sense though since he’s completely intangible during the time erasure. If he simply made everyone forget that something happened, he wouldn’t be intangible and would’ve died to Narancia’s Stand. If he was erasing the ‘concept’ of time for everyone else, he would still be able to attack. It’s common sense. That’s like saying if I skipped 10 seconds in this UA-cam video, those 10 seconds of the vid never even existed
GER does have a Weakness, Time Skip.
If you look closely at Diavolo's Final Time Skip, he threw blood at Giorno's/GER's eyes. If whatever they say about GER's RTZ is true, he should NEVER managed to pull that stunt off against GER.
Throwing Blood at Giorno's eyes, IS, considered both an Action that had an end result by blinding him, and a threat as it was meant to be a means to harm Giorno once Time Skip was over.
And before you argue with the obvious, let me remind you that Diavolo can only start attacking for real an opponent once the Time Skip has been completed, and when Diavolo started his finisher attempt, it was that moment GER's senses came back to normal and stopped the punch from landing.
So, that being said, this is undeniable proof that GER's Ability is not above Time Manipulation.
So now that we've come to a conclusion, if GER is fighting anyone at real time, he has the advantage, however if he ever comes across an opponent who can actually attack during a Time Skip (and spoiler alert that's Universe's 6 Assassin Hit from DBS), then sorry not sorry, GER is done for.
GER don't even have time abilities. But his reversing Causality is so strong it looks like a time manipulation. He being blind is correct but the truth where he died is never come. GER could talk and move freely while time was erased from reality only Diavolo capable doing that. Another feat for for GER. GER creating infinite death loop showing the potential of RTZ that creates a new fate for Diavolo also another feat.
His live giver ability could destroyed a building and it's unavoidable if not because Diavolo epitaph because of how fast it is.
Thank you for this video for the longest time I have been so confused on how people have been over scaling and hyping up GER when it only has a single showcase in a short period of time. A lot of scaling I've seen for GER has been massive headcanon due to just how little we see of it.
I think ger actually has automatic rtz. Because of the scenario when diavolo used time erase to attack giorno (Just like a invisible attack) therefore. It will somewhat automatically Revert time itself.
While I disagree on some of the things said here this is overall a common W jobber video and I respect your opinion. I wish we had more recent stuff talking about GER, but knowing araki he’s probably forgotten GER’s a thing.
Hey ya solos all tho 👀
20:00 In regards to this section, I kinda disagree. Time Erasure is unavoidable. Yes, people are able to become aware when it is used, but the same can be said for time stop. They are not aware when the ability is activated, they can only use their surroundings afterward to deduce something happened.
- Not saying this is a power scheduling question, I just reviewed the depiction differently
Time Erasure isn't completely unavoidable, i've already proved regular stand users perceiving it's activation and countering Time Skip and Epitaph individually. I respectfully disagree with your stance, as evidence doesn't support it
@@JobberGodot they don’t perceive when it is activated, they perceive when it has ended. They know the ability took place when the blood moved. Although, maybe, when you say “activation”, you are just referring to the ability overall, and not the literal instant activation.
From what we have seen and have been shown, no character is able to interact with time skip besides Diavolo and Giorno (or really
GER).
I re-watched the one section, and maybe I’m misunderstanding your description of unavoidable
You completely missed my point, the point is that RTZ & Timestop can’t be perceived at the start of their activation and end of their abilities duration, while Timeskip in both cases can be perceived, I’m not saying during the ability of Timeskip lol
remember when people said ger will defeat goku
@@error-4269 no.
DBZ Goku would blitz and punch GER's head off, and don't get me started on DBS Goku lmao
@@JobberGodot so true
@@error-4269 When I made this video on GER as a mid ball btw, it's based off evidence,consistency, and what is the more correct interpretation based off the two things I said before. So when I say GER mid ball (Even high balled) gets blitzed and one shot by DBZ Goku, it's generally true unless you can disprove it with your own evidence and consistency that has to be better than mine
I do. I also remember people saying he could beat TWOH.
Letsa go!
You must be from SpaceBattles!
So true 😭