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“Anybody could’ve done it; many could’ve done it better, but they didn’t.” Is one of my new favorite quotes. It perfectly illustrates what art is as a whole. When you create something like a UA-cam video or a song or a painting or whatever it is you create… you are the only person in the world to have made exactly what you made. And despite people saying, “I could have done that…” the simple fact is that they didn’t. And that makes all the difference
Art is created in two steps: first comes the idea, then comes the execution. Anyone can execute an idea, some better than others, but the same can't be said for thinking up an idea. That's all on you, and it's something to take pride in
@@zeppie_ Ideas are cheap and easy to come by actually. Art is in the execution more than the conceptualization, and is an iterative process where the initial idea has a variable effect on the outcome. Yes, in illustration as well as animation, game design, writing, and other time-consuming art forms. What I'm really getting at is that generative AI doesn't make "art" and the fact we allowed that marketing ploy as a culture is shameful.
@@something-from-elsewhere Eh, it's a little bit of both. Yeah, having ideas is not as laborious a process as executing on it, but with every artist the ideas they think of and make art out of are almost always a crucial part of their artistic identity, likewise with their process. For example, Zdzisław Beksiński's art would not be what it is if the ideas and concepts behind it were different. That is not to say they would be worse, just that they wouldn't be the same art. It depends on the artist. For some artists, the ideas and concepts take center-stage, for others the process does.
I’m so proud that Jeff finally filled the sponsor spot with real sponsor. But I also kinda want to see the filler segment he almost definitely filmed in case this sponsor fell through 😂
I'm a bit disappointed that he took a VPN sponsorship, but money's money I guess, at least he took the "watch stuff you couldn't anymore" approach rather than the preying on people's misconceptions about how the internet works approach.
@kandigloss6438 VPNs are useful and not that expensive. they also DO obscure data that otherwise your ISP would have. namely being a proxy so your isp doesn't actually have the information of which websites you're visiting. they can see that you're connected to a VPN, and talking to the VPN, but don't know whose packets are going where after the VPN service. that's good. not a panacea for internet safety, but it's a step towards anonymity most people wouldn't make if not for region locked content on streaming services.
Road to sustainability! Hopefully he'll get so big he gets to pick and choose the sponsors, at least he focussed on getting past geo-locked content rather than security
(This is Jordan) The final product turned out absolutely incredibly! blown away by the production quality and storytelling. Seeing "I found the skull trumpet model" after I spent eight hours digging into random 3D softwares with you was nuts - I'll definitely use Discmaster in the future. What a great tool! 6:55 Also, that picture of my cat Mio makes me giggle every time.
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@@orangegouice Oh, nice!!! I don't follow them on Twitter so I had no idea. Good on them getting ahead of the curve. I'm not surprised, though -- in the same position, I wouldn't have been able to resist.
I remember making assets back in the 1990s, but none where internet pop culture sensations. I was doing circuit board components, network components, and one in particular, an RJ45 Modem, complete with case, screws, and all, that was picked up by AT&T and put on their CD-ROM with other engineering assets for architechtural projects, more specifically sky scrapers. I was working at the time for Cossentini Associates, and worked on many sky scrapers in NY, new constructions or older buildings with remodeled networks and electricals. This is about related to skull trumpet as cornflakes are to canned corn.
Then find info on mama and papa to find the bed they consummated on that lead to conception... assuming it was a bed, could have been over a majestic canyon or under a waterfall. I was the 69th to like this comment 🎺💀 thank you mr Skeltal
So spooky that i just watched the first skull trumpet video on a whim after having never watched one of this dudes videos before and mere seconds later this goes up. Fate perhaps.....
I can't wait for the next video where you find the identity of the cadaver Acuris based the skeleton model on, and the manufacturer of the trumpet Oostveen used as reference The plot twist will be that they are, in fact, the same individual (who was also at SIGGRAPH)
That random Nightmind & Whang is something i wasn't ready for and absolutely killed me i remember watching the original video and being so enamored with just how much is still standing from the older days of the internet you're really doing a great job at making sure that for as far along as we are in the world technologically we've come from some pretty incredible places
Heh, i am from The Netherlands. I loved the way you said ''Marktplaats'' so evilly lmao. I have known Gerrit in real life for some years now, and was aware of his work as a 3D Modeller. If i'd seen your Twitter/X post, i'd tell you everything lol.
Must be wierd to see his name suddenly show up in a youtube video, then! I hope you'll tell him about this video, I'd actually love to hear his reaction to the whole skull trumpet ordeal
When you think about it, maybe it's not a crazy coincidence, maybe Cathy jarboe went to those events and got both of those CD's and when she made the model she just dug them out of a bin of CD's she bought at it to make it
I don't know anything about metadata but I assume if she did, the original gif would've tracked back to the model. Again though, I don't know anything about how that works so I'm probably completely wrong.
@@TheGold1knightNo, most likely not. Metadata is just extra stuff bundled in with a file that isn't relevant to the functionality of the file, like a description, a date of creation, or an author. A gif is just a video file, it has nothing to do with what 3D models you can see in it, so it would make no sense to add that to the metadata that you don't even see normally. I do know quite a bit about file structure and programming in general. I've written a lot of stuff over the years. Nothing you would have heard of, though. (a physics engine for simulating car engines, various bits of firmware for embedded applications, etc.)
The people who say “so you didn’t actually do anything” have absolutely no idea how hard it is to make something like this. Most documentary makers don’t discover the thing they are documenting… they “just” turn it into a compelling story, which involves a large collaborative work and a very specific artistic vision. That’s how most stuff works! Are actors or directors unimportant because they didn’t write the movie? Ugh sorry I know the people writing stuff like this are probably very young or intentionally trolling, but man, that one got me for some reason. What creators do is important.
The Mona Lisa analogy was asinine. The first video was like figuring out who took the photo of the painting that's now on its wikipedia page. 3D model isn't a brush.
6:09 surprisingly jarring hearing internet historian aka tommy tallarico's voice pop up out of absolutely nowhere directly after rewatching the plagiarism video™️
@@ourplekittyit's not that concerning really. Yeah, IA is a bit dodgy with how he runs his own stuff and some of the other dog whistle stuff but having him do some VO for a video doesn't mean the video creator agrees with all that shit.
Yup, and even all the ad breaks, I'm _actually_ fine with! As said, he deserves it. _(and also, one can never be sure if this success will continue, or be short lived... so cash in on it while he can, I say!)_ Also, Dame is wearing an SG shirt... which we all know stands for *SigGraph!* 😮 _THE PLOT THICKENS!_ (as it *definitely* does NOT stand for Suicide Girls 😏)
I get why you would be happy to have Internet Historian, it's just a *really* ironic video to have him in, considering it's about searching for and crediting original creators and giving them the proper credit they deserve.
I love Jeff’s openness to accepting help and sharing a great story with us 🌸 This really showed the power of the internet archive (donate if u can) and it’s related projects, and the power of friendship 🥰 It was so cool seeing the little patron sneak peek scene in context! The production of these ‘big videos’ just keeps going! Take good care of yourself, be kind and rewind, to Jeff and everyone watching! 🎺💀
I stopped watching him after the HBomberguy vid and was a bit surprised to hear his voice here. But I don't blame Jeffiot for wanting to work with a big name now that he's blowing up
The amount of effort and quality to the visuals of this are awesome. This channel has just skyrocketed in so many ways during the past year, and it makes me so happy
I'd argue the disagreement about "who made skull trumpet" towards the beginning is incorrect, but the difference is pedantic; since the 3D model is a component of the art rather than a subject of the artist, it's more like saying we don't know who made the Mona Lisa because we don't know who made the paint.
I think I’ve watched (almost) every Jeffiot video now, and I think he is definitely my favorite UA-cam I’ve found in the past few years. Such a great storyteller, and WHAT AN AMAZING EDITOR… I’m blown away with what he’s able to do, I can only hope to be such a talented video editor. Great job Jeffiot; you’re a fantastic UA-camr, Video Editor, Researcher, and Storyteller. I can’t wait to see your next projects!
Just wanted to comment on the "you could buy the same CDs in the same building" thing: It's not as crazy as it would seem. From our perspective, for the skull trumpet to appear, someone would *have* to have purchased them in that exact year. But that's not really how it worked, Cathy perhaps didn't go to Siggraph (I'm making an assumption here that she did, in fact, attend) with the express idea to create the skull trumpet. If she didn't go, i would say it's still not that weird: someone attended Siggraph, bought many CDs, perhaps uploaded them onto the internet, where Cathy found them. Same website because of the same place of purchase. It's still a cool fact, mind you, but as with so many things, they get created with the tools available to the artist at the time.
It's honestly incredible what was done here. You've finally managed to gain an audience from your incredible well produced content, then took all of the resources and money you got from it and put it right back into the video. The improvement in production value is insane, and it makes me immensely excited for what's to come from my new favorite YT channel here.
You should do a deep dive into that lost song, "Like the Wind" that people on the net have been researching for years. We still don't have a 100% definitive answer for who wrote and performed it. Just a lot of theories.
@@RedTail1-1 i did, he literally said in bolth videos that he needed a lot of help that was the whole point to the second one, and how the first one ended
@@Avendesora thats the whole point to the video: just because people get insperation from his videos dosent discredet their research, thats literally the whole point
Some of those comments asking for the 3d models instead of the person who animated the gif are actually awful people. “Who cares about some 40 year old woman” and “the modelers are the real authors, not cathy” To the first guy, they’re just fucking assholes. To the second guy, i guess that because J.K. Rowling didn’t invent the ENTIRETY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, she’s not the real author of the Harry Potter books, right? Nor is Frank Miller the author of The Dark Knight Returns because he didn’t create the character of Batman?
nice video jeff.. i liked the clarification on how much the credit of these finds go to other people, but don't listen to the haters, humans are storytelling creatures, it's one of the strongest ways we connect to information and emotions and it's proven that stories are easier to retain than information alone.. being a storyteller is an amazing thing :)
For a second there i thought someone had james somertoned your doot doot skull video. but it turns out you have simply blessed us with a follow up. thank fuck. i was about to give up on humanity entirely.
Interestingly, the trumpet is missing the first valve finger ring, which would influence tuning slightly when playing low notes with the third valve, and the pinky finger ring, which is extremely important in supporting the instrument. Here , all of the weight would rest on the middle or ring finger of your left hand, which would influence valve action slightly and make the third valve slide useless, as well as being uncomfortable.
Definitely not, it would be a fine trumpet While yes, missing the tuning on the first valve would effect playing the low D especially, there are examples of trumpets without the tuning valve ring on either end. or just one on the third. though these examples tend to be older or custom jobs. i have, however heard of some professional trumpet players who completely ignore the first tuning slide And i for one have played trumpets with missing pinky rings on the top of the main valve. using your left ring finger and right thumb, its easy enough to lift the trumpet when you are doing those low d notes to kick out the valves. and when you aren't doing that you can just wrap your thumb and pointer/middle finger around the whole valve assembly This is ignoring the fact that the trumpet model definitely still has the pinky ring on the main tuning valve. I found senns original tweet and downloaded the converted trumpet file to look at it closer and for one, it still has the ring. And on the topic of the missing first tuning valve ring,, given the very interesting details they got right on it or that are too specific like multiple supports on the main tuning slide, details underneath the third valve, and certain shapes and curves to the trumpet that they just got right like rings on the mouthpiece and some of the subtle shapes and curves of the metal I'm almost certain this was based on a very specific trumpet and not just someone creating a generic trumpet. which would make me think this was not just *a* trumpet but probably a very nice trumpet, maybe custom made. i just simply can not believe that the designer forgot an entire tuning finger ring.
16:51 HOLY NICK NOCTURNE JUMPSCARE very much a surprise to hear you here, Mr Nightmind! 8w8 19:38 AND WHANG?! looking at the voice credits, wooooow. this video's cameos are crazy. very happy to see a bunch of awesome creators collaborating
You may want to make the thumbnail clearer that it's a continuation from the previous, my first thought seeing it was "that seems a bit late for a re-upload" and almost skipped before I properly understood the title
@@ShadowZero27 “he just missed a source” (he only had one source, using exclusively one source and not crediting it is not a mistake) “and forgot to rewrite a few lines” (he rewrote almost every line. Very poorly. Because not a single line he wrote on his own, nor was the narrative style, nor the pacing, nor anything other than changing a few words here and there. You know it’s bad when he gets copyright struck for it and doesn’t fight it back, just tries to rewrite it more)
@@ShadowZero27 "cut him some slack, he can steal entire articles as long as he rewords it a bit and pretends the original is merely a cited source" 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I, for one, enjoy your work. The first video of yours I watched was the prequel to this one (original investigation into Skull Trumpet) and you had somewhere around 5k subscribers. I thought the content was way too good for you to be unrecognized so I'm pleased to see your channel explode. Keep making these investigations and keep telling stories!
Absolutely floored and impressed by the quality of the animations all around in this video, along with the usual gold standard of Jeffiot quality. Just an excellent piece!
Your visuals were ON POINT this video!!! Excellent work! I love watching you hone in and improve your craft. Youre quickly becoming one of my fav youtubers!
GOOD GOD the endings to your videos are the most euphoric and incredible experiences on the internet. I think you might be the best creator on the platform right now, and this video totally turned my night around and put me in a good mood for the first time in a while. Good fucking job dude.
The production of this video is astonishing to me. The graphics and effects look great and feel just right for the script. I also love the paper cutout jeffiot, it feels like a great sort of signature for your work.
Oh what irony that companies who (sometimes with questionable legality) dumped a ton of internet content on CD-Roms are now archivalist's saviours. Great video, love the humor, editing, narrative structure, etc. 👍🏻
My two leading theories: 1. Jeff somehow missed the memo that the guy is a stealing nazi scumbag 2. Jeff had already gotten the voiceline and edited that part *before* the HBG video and some factor (sponsor deadline, forgor, etc) lead to him neither redubbing the section himself nor adding a note about it
26:30 I feel all great UA-cam content makers go through this phase of taking haters way too seriously. I'd say "just ignore them", but then we would have not gotten this absolutely EPIC montage of his avatar just standing there in old VHS videos. It's SO WELL DONE, like man, even the noise effects go on to of him perfectly. Such a flex. Love you man.
In this case I think it's a direct result of him reading all 6,500 comments on the video. At minimum, I think the average person would curl up into a ball and cry.
Greatest thanks for Senn for finding the models and Jeff for making this video and putting the whole thing together. Both of you guys did an incredible work, you are legends!
Featuring the Internet Historian in a video about finding and showing sources is ironic and disappointing. Cathy Jarboe is the exact kind of person IH would steal content from and pass it off as originally his, tossing her memory in to oblivion. Incredibly high quality video otherwise, you are a great story teller and the structure of your videos is amazingly good.
Your narrative storytelling is captivating and the editing and animation are superb. Once again, you've created a fascinating documentary about a question that.. doesn't really matter at all. Also, don't listen to the people who say "oh you didn't find this thing, some Redditor did". It's not like you presented someone else's findings as your own. You shout out everyone involved. And show us your own journey, through some pointless searches and connections with other people. You're a storyteller, and what you accomplished here is damn hard.
I find it ironic how jeff has a whole segment on how he doesnt want to take credit for something someone else did, yet internet historian has a cameo in this. Also good video btw, the editing was incredibly interesting and pleasing to the eyes.
I do think that that segment was also inspired by the whole plagiarism narrative that hhbomber guy set up. I do not know if was an unintentional jab to Internet Historian, who literally did the complete opposite of Jeff on this video: Both did a great video, with their own editing style and narration, about a cool story. However, Jeff made it very clear that he is only presenting the story, the ones who actually found everything were other talented people, and fully credits them. IH, instead, seemed to hide the fact that he did not researched the actual story, and insted of crediting the actual journalists that did (and also even wrote it and publish it) he makes it seem that he did everything, while he was in fact, as other have pointed out, ironically "reading something that others did", just as he did on his cameo of this video.
@@Manvswafflesyeah im really weirded out that IH is here, I just reached that and I’m a bit stunned having seen jeffiots other videos and not seeing any bad vibes from him
@@Manvswaffles just hoping it was some sort of requirement or something, there's no credits for the cameos or anything so who knows. I'll leave it up to the benefit of the doubt for now, but it does make me a little sad.
Why is Internet Historian in this video? I mean after the plaigarism and all that. Also I don't know how I missed TomSka's voice but did hear Whang's? Any way this is a great video from a man who is quickly egding his way ever closer towards becoming my favorite creator on the platform.
I'm gonna assume the Internet Historian cameo was planned before the Hbomberguy video but even then yeesh. I feel like its been known what kinda guy he is for a while.
The fact he had people call out all the Nazi dogwhistles in his video + the hbomb plagiarism thing and then he just went radio silent is pretty damning. It was a purposeful run away and wait for people to forget situation too, he has a trello board which at the time of the hbomb video releasing had multiple videos being ready to publish, on top of that he said he was gonna have a tie in video on his second channel a few days after when he released a main channel video. In between his main channel video coming out hbomb released his and the Nazi stuff came out and only now has he released that tie in video. It’s so pathetic
Tbh even if I had something like this planned and recorded, after the hbomb video I would have just gotten somebody else to read that part, or done it myself.
@@laz7777 that's the median age of internet historian viewers. Also, since when was caring about plagiarism a kid thing? Have you seen most kids' school essays? I'm more inclined to think that kids actually dont care about plagiarism and other academic standards.
You may want to have a warning about some of the flashing, for those with photosensitive epilepsy. It gets a little rough at a few points with the vhs/glitch effects.
"Anyone could've done it. They could've done it better. But they didn't." Is unironically probably true with every discovery and invention ever made in human history. Love that line.
I have to congratulate the incredible quality of the video, great work Jeff! Just like many others, I found your channel through the prequel to this video , but instantly got hooked on many of your other series (love the SCP and Wikipedia iceberg videos in particular); and it’s truly incredible to see how you’ve honed your craft through the years. And now that you’ve finally been recognised by the algorithm (and gotten a sponsorship, you lucky fella), I seriously can’t wait for all the amazing things that are sure to come from you and your team!
the shear madness that goes into the origin of magical jazz skull, my eternally beloved, is just astonishing. i have no words for it and i am forever thankful for you obsession over finding out its origin dear sir on the internet. 🎺💀
“I don’t want to take credit for anyone else’s work,” hits a little different when one of your VO segments was done by Internet Historian lmao 😂 still a good sentiment to have and all; just a lil ironic
Was it really him? Could be just an AI voiceover because I dont see any credits in the description. now i dont know if im correct and i dont care if im not, but its a possibilty
I love senn, I love their enthusiasm and skill, the scene where they break through the wall is so funny. Also, you still deserve credit for your effort. If it weren't for you starting this file hunt, this still wouldn't be known. You started asking the questions, you did some work, people helped you out, you all managed to find things and then you relayed this information to the public. It really is a collaborative effort, I love it
Great video. Love seeing the production value of these go up, it's extremely deserved; especially due to how much work and time is put into them. Gotta say though, I do miss the awkward greenscreening of you into shots over an animated version, especially around 29:16 since its one of the backgrounds you always use, it was oddly charming. But I understand that it might be seen as an early channel low budget choice
Amelia, Senn, Jeffiot... Legends. *_All_* of you! AND, also the folks helping with making the video, the cutscenes, like martyckus. You all rock as well! 🤘😫🤘
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lol what
What's the title of the outro song you used?
@@superluig164 AGST - Pierce
what if we have large eyes
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“Anybody could’ve done it; many could’ve done it better, but they didn’t.”
Is one of my new favorite quotes. It perfectly illustrates what art is as a whole. When you create something like a UA-cam video or a song or a painting or whatever it is you create… you are the only person in the world to have made exactly what you made. And despite people saying, “I could have done that…” the simple fact is that they didn’t. And that makes all the difference
Reminds me of "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."
@@Doddsie212yes Facebook is way better than all of Art.
Art is created in two steps: first comes the idea, then comes the execution. Anyone can execute an idea, some better than others, but the same can't be said for thinking up an idea. That's all on you, and it's something to take pride in
@@zeppie_ Ideas are cheap and easy to come by actually. Art is in the execution more than the conceptualization, and is an iterative process where the initial idea has a variable effect on the outcome. Yes, in illustration as well as animation, game design, writing, and other time-consuming art forms. What I'm really getting at is that generative AI doesn't make "art" and the fact we allowed that marketing ploy as a culture is shameful.
@@something-from-elsewhere Eh, it's a little bit of both. Yeah, having ideas is not as laborious a process as executing on it, but with every artist the ideas they think of and make art out of are almost always a crucial part of their artistic identity, likewise with their process. For example, Zdzisław Beksiński's art would not be what it is if the ideas and concepts behind it were different. That is not to say they would be worse, just that they wouldn't be the same art. It depends on the artist. For some artists, the ideas and concepts take center-stage, for others the process does.
I love the way Senn's character just gets "Delivered" to you every time.
Frr
I bet he made those animations on his own. He's cool.
Thanks to Tommy Tallarico for reading MVVBlogs comment, his mother would be very proud
HOW THE HELL DID HE GET FEATURED HERE AFTER COMPLETE SILENCE FOR MONTHS!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!!?? also haha aquaman
After getting this - by the way great - video recommended to me I immediately knew I'd see a Tommy related comment lmao
It was so nice of Tommy to singlehandedly research, write, and record all of Jeff's videos
Tommy Tallarico ? You mean the same guy who worked on the 1993 game of the year 'Color a Dinosaur ?'
To be fair, reading a comment someone else wrote seems like it's exactly perfect for Internet Historians set of skills.
I’m so proud that Jeff finally filled the sponsor spot with real sponsor. But I also kinda want to see the filler segment he almost definitely filmed in case this sponsor fell through 😂
I'm a bit disappointed that he took a VPN sponsorship, but money's money I guess, at least he took the "watch stuff you couldn't anymore" approach rather than the preying on people's misconceptions about how the internet works approach.
@@kandigloss6438 I mean, he read the ad copy.
@kandigloss6438 VPNs are useful and not that expensive.
they also DO obscure data that otherwise your ISP would have. namely being a proxy so your isp doesn't actually have the information of which websites you're visiting. they can see that you're connected to a VPN, and talking to the VPN, but don't know whose packets are going where after the VPN service.
that's good. not a panacea for internet safety, but it's a step towards anonymity most people wouldn't make if not for region locked content on streaming services.
The patreon bumper is nice tho
Road to sustainability! Hopefully he'll get so big he gets to pick and choose the sponsors, at least he focussed on getting past geo-locked content rather than security
(This is Jordan) The final product turned out absolutely incredibly! blown away by the production quality and storytelling. Seeing "I found the skull trumpet model" after I spent eight hours digging into random 3D softwares with you was nuts - I'll definitely use Discmaster in the future. What a great tool!
6:55 Also, that picture of my cat Mio makes me giggle every time.
It is indeed quite a silly picture of your cat
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@@jakko_thank you. she screamed at me for food this morning. I love her
And nobody thought to bring all the original assets in their high quality formats together to make a Doot Doot HD version?
Give some enterprising Blender user a few hours. It'll definitely happen.
@@moleyface senn already remade it in Blender, its up on their twitter.
@@orangegouice yay 💀🎺
@@orangegouice Oh, nice!!! I don't follow them on Twitter so I had no idea. Good on them getting ahead of the curve. I'm not surprised, though -- in the same position, I wouldn't have been able to resist.
WE HAVE THE FILES!!!!!!!!!!!
WE CAN TOTALY DO THAT OMG
I remember making assets back in the 1990s, but none where internet pop culture sensations. I was doing circuit board components, network components, and one in particular, an RJ45 Modem, complete with case, screws, and all, that was picked up by AT&T and put on their CD-ROM with other engineering assets for architechtural projects, more specifically sky scrapers.
I was working at the time for Cossentini Associates, and worked on many sky scrapers in NY, new constructions or older buildings with remodeled networks and electricals.
This is about related to skull trumpet as cornflakes are to canned corn.
Don't mess with internet preservationists. They WILL find you. And they'll be pretty happy about it.
Yeah.
Bully senn = senn find you
senn ain't playin
Great, now find the person who played that exact bugle excerpt that was in the recording found in the stop sound effect library!
You never know, it could be the same person the skeleton model was based on…
Then find info on mama and papa to find the bed they consummated on that lead to conception... assuming it was a bed, could have been over a majestic canyon or under a waterfall. I was the 69th to like this comment 🎺💀 thank you mr Skeltal
So spooky that i just watched the first skull trumpet video on a whim after having never watched one of this dudes videos before and mere seconds later this goes up. Fate perhaps.....
Certainly not mathematics ;)
The algorithm realized he was uploading something so it pushed his videos
And the trumpet video is the one with more views, so it would be promoted harder.
doot doot
@@Puerco-Potter funny words magic man
In realíty we have been touched by His Skeleton Hands, we have been trumpetly blessed
This talented tiny 3D cat that keeps destroying jeff's house is scarier than the skull
"I bring gifts and destruction". it's like if Koolaid Man and Santa had a child.
@@RaptorNX01 as if santa isn't spooky enough
I can't wait for the next video where you find the identity of the cadaver Acuris based the skeleton model on, and the manufacturer of the trumpet Oostveen used as reference
The plot twist will be that they are, in fact, the same individual (who was also at SIGGRAPH)
Cathy Jarboe's grandfather, I presume at this point, who was also probably the main investor for a small startup company called Viewpoint Datalabs.
He will then need to talk about the ancestors of whoever the cadaver belonged to and find the person who designed the real trumpet.
They will also be the person who played the cavalry bugle call that was used in Wolf Pupy's video.
DUDE IMAGINE
Lol this cracked me up
That random Nightmind & Whang is something i wasn't ready for and absolutely killed me
i remember watching the original video and being so enamored with just how much is still standing from the older days of the internet you're really doing a great job at making sure that for as far along as we are in the world technologically we've come from some pretty incredible places
16:51
Woah woah woah, you CANNOT just hit me with the voice of Night Mind with no warning! Jesus.
I was drawing while listening to the video and legitimately had to put my pencil down and stare at the screen because WHAT
and ALEX BALE is in it later!!!
I WAS WONDERING WHY NOBODY WAS COMMENTING ON IT. THOUGHT I WAS GOING INSANE
I did the point-at-the-screen-and-shout-I-KNOW-THAT-GUY thing lol
He can hit me with it anytime 😊
Heh, i am from The Netherlands. I loved the way you said ''Marktplaats'' so evilly lmao. I have known Gerrit in real life for some years now, and was aware of his work as a 3D Modeller. If i'd seen your Twitter/X post, i'd tell you everything lol.
Must be wierd to see his name suddenly show up in a youtube video, then! I hope you'll tell him about this video, I'd actually love to hear his reaction to the whole skull trumpet ordeal
I love all the ways you have Senn crash into the video
When you think about it, maybe it's not a crazy coincidence, maybe Cathy jarboe went to those events and got both of those CD's and when she made the model she just dug them out of a bin of CD's she bought at it to make it
I don't know anything about metadata but I assume if she did, the original gif would've tracked back to the model. Again though, I don't know anything about how that works so I'm probably completely wrong.
@@TheGold1knightNo, most likely not. Metadata is just extra stuff bundled in with a file that isn't relevant to the functionality of the file, like a description, a date of creation, or an author. A gif is just a video file, it has nothing to do with what 3D models you can see in it, so it would make no sense to add that to the metadata that you don't even see normally.
I do know quite a bit about file structure and programming in general. I've written a lot of stuff over the years. Nothing you would have heard of, though. (a physics engine for simulating car engines, various bits of firmware for embedded applications, etc.)
the guy just crashing through the walls plss 😭😭
Senn, the definition of calm demeanor with no chill.
The people who say “so you didn’t actually do anything” have absolutely no idea how hard it is to make something like this. Most documentary makers don’t discover the thing they are documenting… they “just” turn it into a compelling story, which involves a large collaborative work and a very specific artistic vision. That’s how most stuff works! Are actors or directors unimportant because they didn’t write the movie?
Ugh sorry I know the people writing stuff like this are probably very young or intentionally trolling, but man, that one got me for some reason. What creators do is important.
the screaming about the model was hilarious! Always a fan of these investigative deep dives.
The Mona Lisa analogy was asinine. The first video was like figuring out who took the photo of the painting that's now on its wikipedia page. 3D model isn't a brush.
Its a component, same as a canvas or paint. @@petrolak
@@petrolak "erm, ackshually" 🤓👆
@@petrolak 🤓
@@petrolak I'll bet u think collage isn't even intentional in design
6:09 surprisingly jarring hearing internet historian aka tommy tallarico's voice pop up out of absolutely nowhere directly after rewatching the plagiarism video™️
it's honestly really funny that he isn't credited anywhere in the description?? WHERE DID HE COME FROM
@@ourplekitty he's credited in the video itself at 37:11
@@raybarkerYeah he's in the credits. He just reads some voiceover lines.
@@raybarker yeah was only halfway through at that point, figured it out later but still concerning that he's in the video none the less
@@ourplekittyit's not that concerning really. Yeah, IA is a bit dodgy with how he runs his own stuff and some of the other dog whistle stuff but having him do some VO for a video doesn't mean the video creator agrees with all that shit.
So glad your channels finally blowing up. The sponsorship, the guest voices... You deserve it my guy, can't wait to see where you go from here
Very few people are as thorough as his research.
Yup, and even all the ad breaks, I'm _actually_ fine with! As said, he deserves it.
_(and also, one can never be sure if this success will continue, or be short lived... so cash in on it while he can, I say!)_
Also, Dame is wearing an SG shirt... which we all know stands for *SigGraph!* 😮
_THE PLOT THICKENS!_
(as it *definitely* does NOT stand for Suicide Girls 😏)
I get why you would be happy to have Internet Historian, it's just a *really* ironic video to have him in, considering it's about searching for and crediting original creators and giving them the proper credit they deserve.
Why is that ironic?
@@cosmicslime6234*It is ironic because The Internet Historian is a plagarist who doesn't credit people.*
I love Jeff’s openness to accepting help and sharing a great story with us 🌸 This really showed the power of the internet archive (donate if u can) and it’s related projects, and the power of friendship 🥰
It was so cool seeing the little patron sneak peek scene in context! The production of these ‘big videos’ just keeps going!
Take good care of yourself, be kind and rewind, to Jeff and everyone watching! 🎺💀
The pure amount of specific-ness John was able and willing to give on a dime with only the context of some email is a little crazy.
🎺💀
Good to see internet historian is still getting work reading other people's words
Lmao
Who? Do you mean Tommy Tallarico?
I stopped watching him after the HBomberguy vid and was a bit surprised to hear his voice here. But I don't blame Jeffiot for wanting to work with a big name now that he's blowing up
@@MrVIPGuest
If he's aware of the controversy, then I _do_ blame him.
@Persun_McPersonson it isnt Jeffs job to punish people. I think the only responsibility he has is to ensure he isnt plagerising.
Hearing Night Mind in this was like a fucking jumpscare, good on you man you're getting in the community
Jeffiot: "I'm not Sherlock, but I AM Doyle." 🤘🏻💀🎺
The amount of effort and quality to the visuals of this are awesome. This channel has just skyrocketed in so many ways during the past year, and it makes me so happy
Senn bursting through walls is now my favorite running joke in ages
SAME LMFAO
I'd argue the disagreement about "who made skull trumpet" towards the beginning is incorrect, but the difference is pedantic; since the 3D model is a component of the art rather than a subject of the artist, it's more like saying we don't know who made the Mona Lisa because we don't know who made the paint.
I think I’ve watched (almost) every Jeffiot video now, and I think he is definitely my favorite UA-cam I’ve found in the past few years. Such a great storyteller, and WHAT AN AMAZING EDITOR… I’m blown away with what he’s able to do, I can only hope to be such a talented video editor.
Great job Jeffiot; you’re a fantastic UA-camr, Video Editor, Researcher, and Storyteller. I can’t wait to see your next projects!
Your favorite UA-cam (don't edit your comment to fix the minor spelling mistake, it is funny)
14:52 I think Senn said "shareware CD-ROMS" not "short CD-ROMS"
I was going to comment the same thing haha
No, I looked up a screengrab of the caption on TinyEye, and it's most certainly "short CD-Roms".
Just wanted to comment on the "you could buy the same CDs in the same building" thing:
It's not as crazy as it would seem. From our perspective, for the skull trumpet to appear, someone would *have* to have purchased them in that exact year. But that's not really how it worked, Cathy perhaps didn't go to Siggraph (I'm making an assumption here that she did, in fact, attend) with the express idea to create the skull trumpet. If she didn't go, i would say it's still not that weird: someone attended Siggraph, bought many CDs, perhaps uploaded them onto the internet, where Cathy found them. Same website because of the same place of purchase. It's still a cool fact, mind you, but as with so many things, they get created with the tools available to the artist at the time.
Yeah, also SIGGRAPH is to 3D what E3 is to videogames.
It's honestly incredible what was done here. You've finally managed to gain an audience from your incredible well produced content, then took all of the resources and money you got from it and put it right back into the video. The improvement in production value is insane, and it makes me immensely excited for what's to come from my new favorite YT channel here.
You should do a deep dive into that lost song, "Like the Wind" that people on the net have been researching for years. We still don't have a 100% definitive answer for who wrote and performed it. Just a lot of theories.
Even if you werent directly responsible for finging the history of the trumpet akull gif, you have a really nice voice and a good drawing style
What are you talking about? Watch his video from 2 months ago. This is a follow up.
@@RedTail1-1 i did, he literally said in bolth videos that he needed a lot of help that was the whole point to the second one, and how the first one ended
@@RedTail1-1did you watch it?
@@Avendesora thats the whole point to the video: just because people get insperation from his videos dosent discredet their research, thats literally the whole point
@@chedwickarmenhammer1526 You missed my point, but sorry for commenting anyway.
Some of those comments asking for the 3d models instead of the person who animated the gif are actually awful people. “Who cares about some 40 year old woman” and “the modelers are the real authors, not cathy”
To the first guy, they’re just fucking assholes. To the second guy, i guess that because J.K. Rowling didn’t invent the ENTIRETY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, she’s not the real author of the Harry Potter books, right? Nor is Frank Miller the author of The Dark Knight Returns because he didn’t create the character of Batman?
nice video jeff.. i liked the clarification on how much the credit of these finds go to other people, but don't listen to the haters, humans are storytelling creatures, it's one of the strongest ways we connect to information and emotions and it's proven that stories are easier to retain than information alone.. being a storyteller is an amazing thing :)
For a second there i thought someone had james somertoned your doot doot skull video. but it turns out you have simply blessed us with a follow up. thank fuck. i was about to give up on humanity entirely.
Yeah me too lmaooo
It's funny you say that cause internet historian does a voiceover in this video
@@seanseen_ the irony 😅 i guess maybe i *should* give up on humanity, just a little. as a treat.
Interestingly, the trumpet is missing the first valve finger ring, which would influence tuning slightly when playing low notes with the third valve, and the pinky finger ring, which is extremely important in supporting the instrument. Here , all of the weight would rest on the middle or ring finger of your left hand, which would influence valve action slightly and make the third valve slide useless, as well as being uncomfortable.
damn
Definitely not, it would be a fine trumpet
While yes, missing the tuning on the first valve would effect playing the low D especially, there are examples of trumpets without the tuning valve ring on either end. or just one on the third. though these examples tend to be older or custom jobs. i have, however heard of some professional trumpet players who completely ignore the first tuning slide
And i for one have played trumpets with missing pinky rings on the top of the main valve. using your left ring finger and right thumb, its easy enough to lift the trumpet when you are doing those low d notes to kick out the valves. and when you aren't doing that you can just wrap your thumb and pointer/middle finger around the whole valve assembly
This is ignoring the fact that the trumpet model definitely still has the pinky ring on the main tuning valve. I found senns original tweet and downloaded the converted trumpet file to look at it closer and for one, it still has the ring.
And on the topic of the missing first tuning valve ring,, given the very interesting details they got right on it or that are too specific like multiple supports on the main tuning slide, details underneath the third valve, and certain shapes and curves to the trumpet that they just got right like rings on the mouthpiece and some of the subtle shapes and curves of the metal I'm almost certain this was based on a very specific trumpet and not just someone creating a generic trumpet. which would make me think this was not just *a* trumpet but probably a very nice trumpet, maybe custom made. i just simply can not believe that the designer forgot an entire tuning finger ring.
Damn, life ruined.
The fact you had to put in a thorough kind explanation addressing the haters was soo Swedish 😂. Amazing videos and amazing work 🙏🙏
HE GOT A SPONSOR!!! I'M SO HAPPY!
These videos rule. Great editing, great storytelling, accurate and engaging. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you're doing good work here.
So spooky, hecking Night Mind showed up.
This video is a straight up work of art. The editing is next level and the story telling is amazing. 10/10.
The shots of senn bashing through walls had my sides in orbit. Excellent video.
I love Jeff's storytelling and visual style so much and the soundtracking is so immaculate. I love every frame of his videos
I understand his anger at the beginning xD
Completely justified.
16:51
HOLY NICK NOCTURNE JUMPSCARE
very much a surprise to hear you here, Mr Nightmind! 8w8
19:38
AND WHANG?!
looking at the voice credits, wooooow. this video's cameos are crazy.
very happy to see a bunch of awesome creators collaborating
You may want to make the thumbnail clearer that it's a continuation from the previous, my first thought seeing it was "that seems a bit late for a re-upload" and almost skipped before I properly understood the title
super nice of you to have Tommy Tallarico read every word of this video, he did an awesome job all by himself!
part 2 came in out of the blue, like a skull trumpet
Who would have thought Internet Historian would be so good at narrating something another person wrote...
Why is he here? Isn’t he also some kind of nazi adjacent far right type guy?
i did lol but seriously cut him some slack unless he claims he wrote it all. he just missed a source and forgot to rewrite a few lines.
@@ShadowZero27 “he just missed a source” (he only had one source, using exclusively one source and not crediting it is not a mistake) “and forgot to rewrite a few lines” (he rewrote almost every line. Very poorly. Because not a single line he wrote on his own, nor was the narrative style, nor the pacing, nor anything other than changing a few words here and there. You know it’s bad when he gets copyright struck for it and doesn’t fight it back, just tries to rewrite it more)
@@ShadowZero27 I hope you're being sarcastic
@@ShadowZero27 "cut him some slack, he can steal entire articles as long as he rewords it a bit and pretends the original is merely a cited source" 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I, for one, enjoy your work. The first video of yours I watched was the prequel to this one (original investigation into Skull Trumpet) and you had somewhere around 5k subscribers. I thought the content was way too good for you to be unrecognized so I'm pleased to see your channel explode. Keep making these investigations and keep telling stories!
Absolutely floored and impressed by the quality of the animations all around in this video, along with the usual gold standard of Jeffiot quality. Just an excellent piece!
Your visuals were ON POINT this video!!! Excellent work! I love watching you hone in and improve your craft. Youre quickly becoming one of my fav youtubers!
GOOD GOD the endings to your videos are the most euphoric and incredible experiences on the internet. I think you might be the best creator on the platform right now, and this video totally turned my night around and put me in a good mood for the first time in a while. Good fucking job dude.
the last video was probably the most emotional i've gotten from a yt video, so i'm anticipating some emotions.
The production of this video is astonishing to me. The graphics and effects look great and feel just right for the script. I also love the paper cutout jeffiot, it feels like a great sort of signature for your work.
Oh what irony that companies who (sometimes with questionable legality) dumped a ton of internet content on CD-Roms are now archivalist's saviours.
Great video, love the humor, editing, narrative structure, etc. 👍🏻
so rediculously common tbh
@@LiEnby what's so common?
This is the best Surfshark ad-read I've ever seen. Well done, Jeff.
The rest of the video is also very good.
Who else is thinking what I'm thinking. Complete modern jazz skull gif recreation.
What the... Why is the voice of Internet Historian here?
My two leading theories:
1. Jeff somehow missed the memo that the guy is a stealing nazi scumbag
2. Jeff had already gotten the voiceline and edited that part *before* the HBG video and some factor (sponsor deadline, forgor, etc) lead to him neither redubbing the section himself nor adding a note about it
He's got some free time lately I guess
And Whang just popped out of nowhere!!!!!
where
Lmao @@Taurusus
26:30 I feel all great UA-cam content makers go through this phase of taking haters way too seriously. I'd say "just ignore them", but then we would have not gotten this absolutely EPIC montage of his avatar just standing there in old VHS videos.
It's SO WELL DONE, like man, even the noise effects go on to of him perfectly. Such a flex. Love you man.
In this case I think it's a direct result of him reading all 6,500 comments on the video. At minimum, I think the average person would curl up into a ball and cry.
I'm happy Tomska got involved in this project
Greatest thanks for Senn for finding the models and Jeff for making this video and putting the whole thing together.
Both of you guys did an incredible work, you are legends!
10:32 This text transcends all internet dialects. It's completely comprehensible gibberish and it's beautiful!
Featuring the Internet Historian in a video about finding and showing sources is ironic and disappointing. Cathy Jarboe is the exact kind of person IH would steal content from and pass it off as originally his, tossing her memory in to oblivion. Incredibly high quality video otherwise, you are a great story teller and the structure of your videos is amazingly good.
Your channel is so damn refreshing, it's just a guy talking about things that he finds interesting
Your narrative storytelling is captivating and the editing and animation are superb. Once again, you've created a fascinating documentary about a question that.. doesn't really matter at all.
Also, don't listen to the people who say "oh you didn't find this thing, some Redditor did". It's not like you presented someone else's findings as your own. You shout out everyone involved. And show us your own journey, through some pointless searches and connections with other people. You're a storyteller, and what you accomplished here is damn hard.
I find it ironic how jeff has a whole segment on how he doesnt want to take credit for something someone else did, yet internet historian has a cameo in this.
Also good video btw, the editing was incredibly interesting and pleasing to the eyes.
I do think that that segment was also inspired by the whole plagiarism narrative that hhbomber guy set up. I do not know if was an unintentional jab to Internet Historian, who literally did the complete opposite of Jeff on this video: Both did a great video, with their own editing style and narration, about a cool story. However, Jeff made it very clear that he is only presenting the story, the ones who actually found everything were other talented people, and fully credits them. IH, instead, seemed to hide the fact that he did not researched the actual story, and insted of crediting the actual journalists that did (and also even wrote it and publish it) he makes it seem that he did everything, while he was in fact, as other have pointed out, ironically "reading something that others did", just as he did on his cameo of this video.
its crazy how Tommy Tallarico single-handedly made all these assets blindfolded while on mars, thus winning him twelveteen new Guiness World Records
All these content creator cameos are amazing.
Except Internet Historian, dudes a plagiarist and constantly includes far right and Nazi dog whistles in his content.
@@Manvswaffles Ope! Onions :o
@@Manvswafflesyeah im really weirded out that IH is here, I just reached that and I’m a bit stunned having seen jeffiots other videos and not seeing any bad vibes from him
Same, that was not a name I expected to see today 😬
@@Manvswaffles just hoping it was some sort of requirement or something, there's no credits for the cameos or anything so who knows. I'll leave it up to the benefit of the doubt for now, but it does make me a little sad.
Some ppl can't appreciate that you're adding value in making these "lost media" vids
I hope you don't get too insecure about those criticisms
Excited I am. Watch video I shall.
The amount of good animations and the high quality in this video would make Cathy so proud, well done sir
Why is Internet Historian in this video? I mean after the plaigarism and all that. Also I don't know how I missed TomSka's voice but did hear Whang's? Any way this is a great video from a man who is quickly egding his way ever closer towards becoming my favorite creator on the platform.
28:53 reminds me of a quote I heard sometime. "Yeah you could have done Jackson Pollock's paint splattering art, so why didn't you?"
Oh the irony of IH popping up on a vid about searching for sources
Uncredited, no less.
What are you talking about? What is IH?
@@FelisImpurratorInternet Historian, IIRC recently appeared in HBomberGuy's video all about plagiarism.
@@TheSunnyOne Right... I was wondering what the hell OP had against induction heating
So incredibly well-spoken & written, your videos are always a treat
I'm gonna assume the Internet Historian cameo was planned before the Hbomberguy video but even then yeesh. I feel like its been known what kinda guy he is for a while.
The fact he had people call out all the Nazi dogwhistles in his video + the hbomb plagiarism thing and then he just went radio silent is pretty damning. It was a purposeful run away and wait for people to forget situation too, he has a trello board which at the time of the hbomb video releasing had multiple videos being ready to publish, on top of that he said he was gonna have a tie in video on his second channel a few days after when he released a main channel video. In between his main channel video coming out hbomb released his and the Nazi stuff came out and only now has he released that tie in video. It’s so pathetic
Tbh even if I had something like this planned and recorded, after the hbomb video I would have just gotten somebody else to read that part, or done it myself.
Its probably more so that no one over 13 years old cares.
@@laz7777 sorry I forgot the age limit for hating nazis and plagiarism was 13 I take it all back
@@laz7777 that's the median age of internet historian viewers. Also, since when was caring about plagiarism a kid thing? Have you seen most kids' school essays? I'm more inclined to think that kids actually dont care about plagiarism and other academic standards.
16:54 that unexpected, out of nowhere nightmind voice just threw me for a loop
love his channel! great to see him here :D
You may want to have a warning about some of the flashing, for those with photosensitive epilepsy. It gets a little rough at a few points with the vhs/glitch effects.
No
@@gm6856Rule 1. Don't be an asshole
"Anyone could've done it. They could've done it better. But they didn't." Is unironically probably true with every discovery and invention ever made in human history. Love that line.
Senn is insane, love him ❤️
I love the work you did here with the collab of many from your animators, editors, and also people that help with the research.
so much stYLE IM SCREAMINGGGGGGG. thank you for creating
I have to congratulate the incredible quality of the video, great work Jeff! Just like many others, I found your channel through the prequel to this video , but instantly got hooked on many of your other series (love the SCP and Wikipedia iceberg videos in particular); and it’s truly incredible to see how you’ve honed your craft through the years. And now that you’ve finally been recognised by the algorithm (and gotten a sponsorship, you lucky fella), I seriously can’t wait for all the amazing things that are sure to come from you and your team!
Can't believe you got Tommy Tallarico to do a cameo!
His mother is very proud
His mother is very proud
the shear madness that goes into the origin of magical jazz skull, my eternally beloved, is just astonishing. i have no words for it and i am forever thankful for you obsession over finding out its origin dear sir on the internet. 🎺💀
“I don’t want to take credit for anyone else’s work,” hits a little different when one of your VO segments was done by Internet Historian lmao 😂 still a good sentiment to have and all; just a lil ironic
THIS
Was it really him? Could be just an AI voiceover because I dont see any credits in the description.
now i dont know if im correct and i dont care if im not, but its a possibilty
@@sinkandbath he's credited in the video itself at 37:14
I love senn, I love their enthusiasm and skill, the scene where they break through the wall is so funny.
Also, you still deserve credit for your effort. If it weren't for you starting this file hunt, this still wouldn't be known. You started asking the questions, you did some work, people helped you out, you all managed to find things and then you relayed this information to the public. It really is a collaborative effort, I love it
I thought I already watched this then I realized you made a sequel!!
Another masterpiece.
ohhhh this is another vid???? no way
Oh so it's sequel?
Kinda weird to see two vids with similar titles
What's the diff?
Nevermind, I misread the title
MARKT PLAATS MENTIONED!!! MARKTPLAATSERS IK ROEP JULLIE OP
Great video. Love seeing the production value of these go up, it's extremely deserved; especially due to how much work and time is put into them. Gotta say though, I do miss the awkward greenscreening of you into shots over an animated version, especially around 29:16 since its one of the backgrounds you always use, it was oddly charming. But I understand that it might be seen as an early channel low budget choice
Internet Historian doing a voiceover for the comment was not something I had on my 2024 bingo card.
Amelia, Senn, Jeffiot...
Legends. *_All_* of you!
AND, also the folks helping with making the video, the cutscenes, like martyckus. You all rock as well! 🤘😫🤘
The most anticipated sequel of 2024!