Jodie Whittaker as the 13th Doctor - A Doctor Who Ramble
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- While I'd have liked the next Doctor to have been a surprise reveal during the Christmas Special, we got the announcement now instead. So here's my thoughts on it.
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On The Doctor being a woman:
The Doctor is not human. The Doctor is from an advanced species that doesn't drag around unenlightened gender biases.
The Doctor has had zero hang ups like humans do about gender roles and conventions. Especially 11. He continually kissed men and women on the mouth non-sexually (with the obvious exception of River Song), and danced with men at Amy and Rory's wedding and was perplexed at the men's reactions and reticence.
There was a lot of chatter in Capaldi's first season that Clara was a stronger character than The Doctor; that she was more The Doctor than he was. I felt then (and still do) that this was quite deliberate on The Moff's part. He is very intelligent and was setting the stage for a female Doctor from way back. Even to the point of having the words "I'm The Doctor" come out of a very strong charactered Clara's mouth. I kept saying to my SP (sweetie pie), "Moff is preparing the audience for the next Doctor as a female. Then there is The Master becoming The Mistress, and the Time Lord General regenerating into a woman without missing a beat. There are many, many more examples of this preparation that I could list, but this comment is already quite long.
The reality is that we are all (male and female) made up of varying degrees of so called 'masculine and feminine' traits, and The Doctor has fairly consistently displayed the traits of both.
While I actually would have loved to see Olivia Colman in the role due to her abundance of sass, her wicked sense of humor, comedic timing, and dramatic acting chops, I really like the choice of Jodie Whittaker. Granted there isn't a huge body of work from her, but she was fantastic in Broadchurch and apparently "wowed" in her audition for The Doctor. That's a very strong endorsement in the acting world. And after seeing the brief reveal vid, I was like "yeah, I see it".
I would like to tell you the direction that I think she and Chibnall will take for her incarnation. Firstly, look at her hair. In the reveal vid. You may say "what? Her hair?" Yes, her hair. While reluctant to point out a "womanly" thing like someone's hair, it is of note. It is a non-fussy cut. I believe this is deliberate. This (and I think the overall personality of The Doctor - with the exception of 10, who was in love with his hair) subtly implies that she isn't going to be a girly-girl. She's not going to be focused on her looks. Or even, I think, all that much focused on her gender. She will be The Doctor, as The Doctor always has been. Passing through, helping out. Never cowardly, never cruel.
I could be wrong, and if I am I'll eat my fez.
So for those that oppose this inevitable evolution, remember that this is the 21st century. And for those still adamantly stuck in the dark ages, stop dragging your knuckles on the cave floor and start respecting the strengths of the other half of our species. Trust that in a show that is all about change, all about hoping to see the best in humanity, and growing us as a collective, that we can get past negative gender bias. Maybe like Madam Vastra, we should all be veiled (but figuratively, instead) to our fellow species members who until they can accept that the reality of who one is on the inside doesn't depend upon what we see on the outside no longer clouds thinking or causes undue judgement.
While it is always very sad (and sometimes agonizing) to say goodbye to a current Doctor, I am greatly anticipating our new Doctor. Break legs, Jodie! (Ok, not literal legs like Smith and Capaldi, but a theatre persons wish of good luck!)
Oh, and I will leave you all with this:
Interviewer to Joss Whedon: So, why do you write these strong female characters?
Joss Whedon: Because you're still asking me that question.
[Equality Now speech, May 15, 2006]'
Beautiful comment !
That's not true. There are a number of species that can change genders.
Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies and other fish species are known to change sex, including reproductive functions.
Chickens can sometimes undergo natural sex changes. So can some species of frogs.
Several medical conditions can result in a natural sex change in humans, where the appearance at birth is somewhat, mostly, or completely of one sex, but changes over the course of a lifetime to being somewhat, mostly or completely of the other sex. The overwhelming majority of natural sex changes are from a female appearance at birth to a male appearance after puberty. A relative handful of male to female changes have been reported, and the causes of these are not well understood.
Ain't nature wonderful?
That last part is the best quote on heroines in media I have ever seen.
N0 Liv3s Matt3r That's because Vulcans don't regenerate.
Amused Witt sadly it is now mainly SJW garbage, while I did like it, it was worse than the others imo, (mainly writing but also as stated before, SJW and feminism garbage)
Guys, the sex doesn't metter. The doctor's personality has nothing to do with having or not a penis. Just let the little girls that watch Doctor Who feel like they could be the doctor too, not just the companion.
I understand that but it's a little weird seeing a character who started male and stayed male for 60+ years who even had a granddaughter to be turned into a woman just now. It's like seeing James bond turned into a girl, it's just weird and that's not even being sexist it's just not true to the character.
Did you go out of your way to make this episode 13 minutes long?
No, but funny how that worked out.
@@CouncilofGeeks hit the nail on the head about the subversion of the male hero by the doctor. That is what i have come to realise.
As long as she's written well, I think she'll be great.
And I am definitely excited to see what her look is. That was actually my first thought.
I'm hoping she wears something similar to Romana 2 in her first story. It should incorporate common elements of a Doctor's costume: something dated, aristocratic, a little eccentric but with a feminine touch.
I love her costume. Much like Capaldi's look and personality sort of echoed the First Doctor, I feel like (in her look at least) the Thirteenth Doctor is going to echo the Eighth Doctor.
Also, like you, I'm reserving judgement until we actually see her in action.
Now that the useless Moffat has stepped down i have hope that the writing will improve. Can't believe he wasted such a good actor as Peter Capaldi!
if she is then great but there is no way that she will be
I personally want to know what the new Console Interior will look like. I mean, new showrunner, new Doctor, new Companion, new outfit, I want to know what her TARDIS will look like on the inside. We've had the current console since the second half of Series 7, and Capaldi simply got an orange variant of it, so, I think it's time for the TARDIS to 'regenerate' alongside the Doctor.
I agree. I'm ready for a new design in general, regardless of casting.
DEGRUNGEON Agreed. Definitely looking forward to seeing her Tardis, even though the Tardis we've had since 7B (ignoring the slight color change) has been my favorite of all time. However, I really hope they keep it a surprise and show it for the first time on screen when she walks in instead of early press coverage. Same goes for her outfit. I don't want to see her outfit beforehand like they did with Capaldi.
Flowers and lace more than likely lol
It can still look the same
Standard six sided stainless console. Walls of Gallifrey wood stamped with time dials punctuated with round depressions. And a wall of bookcases.Every professor should have one.
Well since Moffat is off the show I think that Jodes has a chance.
Jack O Brien but Chibnall is in charge and he's not even half the writer that Moffat is
But maybe he won't get as needlessly political. First woman doctor and identity politics wouldn't mix well. It definitely didn't mix well with Bill. I think Moffat takes himself way too seriously
Chibnall, though, has said that he hates identity politics, so I really highly doubt he'll do anything of that nature. Moffat... he's wildly unpredictably. Talented writer that never really understood his own talent.
Hydraulicon
Except Chibnaill apparently cast her for politics. He didn't even consider a male doctor. It's in an interview.
No, he said he wanted a female Doctor. That's not the same as casting her for politics.
Y'know, I've never once agreed with every single point made in a point-of-view UA-cam video until now, couldn't agree more, me and you think very much alike when it comes to Who
"I'm a girl!" Matt smith....we all miss him
Firstly: Thank you for being one of the only people who isn't treating it as this... "If you want the Doctor to be played by a man you're a sexist evil bigot." or the you're not a true fan crowd. You explained your points very well and I would say better than I did. Props to you for being level headed on this. Now I have a question for you, do you think the ratings will fall after her first episode dramatically? Or will this be Ghostbusters 2016 and collapse from the get go? Or neither?
I don't anticipate a big ratings drop on this UNLESS it truly is like Ghostbusters 2016 and just isn't very good, even on its own terms. Ghostbusters didn't underperform because it was women, it underperformed because it merely ok and by its nature had to be compared to a film that is truly great.
So as long as the writing doesn't go off a cliff, I don't anticipate any kind of similar result for this show as that movie saw.
Council of Geeks That is true, at least for me though many in my community felt Ghostbusters was kind of pandering and was put off by it so they wouldn't watch it. My biggest concern currently is I am a huge Broadchurch fan but Whittaker kinda acts the same in everything. She doesn't have that Doctor-alien quality. So I fear much of that Doctor oddness might be lost. Maybe it won't but Ive watched almost everything she's in and she's the same part in all. Not a bad actress by any stretch but kinda one note. While I don't like the casting at all I want to be proven wrong. I want to be able to say I was wrong sorry for being that guy kind of thing. Back to the ratings though I think they will boom at minimum of Christmas but I think a large portion of the fanbase won't turn in for episode 2 of her tenure. Generally episode 1 people are curious but 2 you'll see if they stick. Im glad you responded. Time will hopefully tell.
No matter what, the next 2 episodes of Doctor Who will have its ratings soar through the roof. After that, I reckon it will depend on the writing. But remember, "when we woke up, there was a dog pissing on our tent"
mp27reviews apparently, she blew them away in her audition, so hopefully, she'll be the doctoriest Doctor we could ever want
I think having concerns about this is natural and I think that is OK. My issue is with people who have already written off the show and are done watching after the Christmas special. We are getting a new showrunner, new cast, a lot of new crew, a new vision and direction for the show. It's like we are getting Doctor Who v3.0. These people are not even going to give is chance before they decide Doctor Who is now terrible, ruined, and doomed to being cancelled. I think if you are a true fan, you want the show to succeed and should be willing to give it a chance. You could be very wrong. If after watching 3 episodes you don't like it then fine. But to be done with the show right now after watching at least 10 seasons of the show simply because they cast a women instead of a man is ridiculous. If you are going to pick up your toys and play somewhere else just because of that, I doubt you cared for the show and what the Doctor stands for all that much.
I have a theory why the Doctor is now a woman. Remember when 12th gave Davros some of his regeneration energy? He did say he'll go shorter in his next regeneration or some modification. That could've been the reason why the Doctor is a woman now.
I love your opinion about a female doctor. I have my fears but I am also very excited for the upcoming season.
I will always be excited for more Doctor Who. No matter's who is cast, or show running or whatever. I will always tune in and I'll always be rooting for it, whether there's things that worry me or not.
@@CouncilofGeeks I've enjoyed Jodie as the Doctor. She was broadchurch as Beth Latimer
The Doctor being female was always going to happen because it's one of those things where you have to do it to see whether it works or not, otherwise you'll never know
Plus the creator of Doctor who said the Doctor should be played by a woman. So...yeah. I agree
"the creator of Doctor who said the Doctor should be played by a woman"
Really? Can you point me to the source? When and where did he said that?
Sydney Newman, the creator of Doctor Who, died in 1997.
www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/17/sydney-newman-co-creator-doctor-told-bbc-cast-woman-1986/ Not a great article, but it does give the quote.
Thanks a lot!
I remember when Powell would not let Newman come back, I think it was in 1986 as well. 3 years later, DW dies (or goes in suspended animation).
Too bad Flipper the Dolphin ain't around anymore, it would have made an awesome 14th Doctor ;)
Thats my worry, If this flops, or even if it works, there will never be a male doctor again
I kinda figured out a way they could explain it as part of Time Lord lore. A time Lord's regeneration cycle could be Gender Fluid until they find a partner, at which point they remain the same sex for the rest of their lives.
Since the first doctor was a grandfather we can assume that he found a partner and had children, as confirmed by the 10th Doctor.
The reason he's a female now is because his new regeneration cycle effectively rebooted that biological process, meaning he has had one male regeneration and now one female thus far.
Hopefully that makes a lick of sense xD
Quite creative, I like it. :)
I was actually thinking the new regeneration cycle had something to do with it too. Also, I think him withholding and delaying the regeneration makes it more unstable and therefore harder to control, which could be another reason why. If you remember, when Matt Smith was regenerated from David Tennant he said "I'm a girl." Maybe he knew that because Tennant had delayed his regeneration by visiting all his companions, he made the process different?
If they did that, I would actually drop all my concerns. Well, most of them anyway.
But Harold Saxon had a wife. And it's been established that homosexuality exists on Gallifrey.
Why would they keep one gender after pair bonding? Even their kids they get from looms.
This has to be the most well thought out analysis I've seen thus far. You make some very good points on all fronts. As excited as I am knowing Whittaker is an excellent actor, we will have to wait and see where this is taken and how the character is written. (Watch Broadchurch!!)
Personally, I find it pretty exciting that the Doctor will be a woman. The best part of regeneration is that the same beloved character can change and evolve in different and previously unrealistic ways. So this is a big change, but I think it has the potential to be really fun and interesting and add a vast new dimension to the Doctor's history.
I can't wait to see the new Doctor's costume, I agree, it really influences the character's impact. Its hard to imagine right now what she will wear - Missy's derranged Mary Poppins impression will be a hard act to follow!
I'm betting that part of the reason they will give for the Doctor regenerating into a woman when he never did before will have something to do with his outright refusal to regenerate at the end of series 10. Maybe when he comes back around and finally allows himself to regenerate, he'll do a full 180, and go from 'i refuse to change again' to 'i'm going to change everything as much as i can' in a sort of defiant blaze of glory. IDK, shot in the dark theory.
The Christmas special can't come soon enough. I am going to miss Capaldi like I'd miss my right hand - he's may favorite Doctor - but I'm so eager to see where this new facet of the Doctor will lead that I can hardly stand it!
I seriously cannot believe this..... you Sir have earned a subscriber! Everyone else is bashing people that are up in the air over a female doctor, calling them sexist. You seem to understand why it could be an issue. It has nothing to do with the doctor being female it has to do with how it affects the show via the character change. Which could be awesome or it could be bad. It doesn't mean the world is over it just means change has come for BETTER or for WORSE.
The problem is people are complaining without wanting to even give it a chance. Everyone is allowed to have opinions about which Doctor they like or not, but usually people decide after seeing the episodes not before. There is so much bashing of a female Doctor "just because"... At least in this video, he has some legit concerns about a female Doctor but is willing to give her a chance... unlike some.
I don't necessarily agree. There are always gonna be idiots of course... but I think the true fan base that has a problem with a female doctor (vs the true fan base that don't) is upset more about it having nothing to do with "give a girl a chance she was the best actress in auditions" vs more a "it was gonna be a female actress no matter what." There have been quotes from both Mofatt and Chibnall saying that it was always gonna be a female no matter what. So for me that says even if a strong black male actor was the best at auditions they was gonna still just cast a female. This is what I have a problem with. I am going to give it chance as I don't have a problem with female actress at all. But as a Who fan I worry about the direction the BBC and showrunners are going.
The context of that quote I have seen is more like "there was always gonna be a female actress [and not said,
but inferred:(at some point or another, not necessarily this one).]"
The context of that quote I have seen is more like "there was always gonna be a female actress [and not said,
but inferred:(at some point or another, not necessarily this one).]"
Did you have the same concerns the previous 12 times when the character was going to be male no matter what, even if a strong female actor was the best at auditions?
Eh. The only Doctor I've really been excited for was Capaldi, as I got into Who with Eccleston, wasn't fussed on Tennant and don't really like Smith. I have got fairly high hopes for Jodie though, I was almost sure the next Doctor was going to be Richard Ayoade, who is great but not really someone I could imagine playing the Doctor.
I'm not at all angry that Jodie is a woman, I just hope they write her for her well.
Jamie O'Rourke yeah I don't really care that The Doctor is a woman. I'm all for it. What I'm worried about is that they will change the key characteristics of The Doctor because she is a woman. I fear that because they may have been pressed to do this by SJWs or people of that sort that they may write her badly as a result.
Wasn't fussed on Tennant?! WTF!!?
I actually really like this choice. I was expecting Kris Marshall. Which quite honestly thought was a boring choice. Not that I wouldn't watch but coming off Capaldi, Kris Marshall seems generic. Then I watched the reveal and was actually surprised. I did hear she did become the bookies favorite last minute but I pretty much thought Chibnall was going to play it safe. So I immediately ruled out any female in the running. This choice convinces me that Chibnall is going to take the show in a new direction. What that is? No idea.
Got to agree on Marshall. Don't know him particularly well but if he was cast it would smack of Chibbers playing things safe, which wouldn't leave me feeling hopeful about his tenure considering at the minute all we've got to go on is his work on Who, which in my opinion has been decent at best
Elijah Handley He did say things would wildly change but I didn't really believe him until now. Jodie is an extremely talented actress with stuff under her belt such as Antigone. She was and is the best choice for the role.
Joseph Carlisle I agree on Marshall as well. I expected Kris Marshall and thought it would be a decent choice, but also boring and safe. I was happily surprised at Jodie's reveal.
Joseph Carlisle I would have hated Kris marshall
I totally agree. I have missed the quality of the Davis/Tennant years. I am very optimistic that we will return to that level or story telling. But I think Chibnall's vision will give us a new and fresh take on the character. I can't wait to see Jodie. I do really like Kris Marshall though and I would love to see him cast as the new companion if he is right for the role.
Great video as always and brilliant analysis I'm cautious about it but willing to see how she turns out I think and hope it could be a hit as I loved Missy so we'll see what happens.
Btw fantastic channel deserve so many more subs 👍
I thought Mork as well but agree with you on all points. Doubted them on the past but turned out liking how it turned out. Have to wait and see!
How the hell are they going to write historical episodes (you know, half the show)? Any story set before the 1960's will go something like:
"I'm the Doctor!"
"No your not, it's 1812. Woman aren't doctors..."
*SPEECH ABOUT FEMINISM AND/OR EQUALITY*
Yeah this is why I don't want to watch it. I don't want the Doctor's sex to be discussed every episode like Bill being a lesbian. Once, okay yup spend an episode on it and move on.
Not. Every. Conversation. With. An. Adult. Male.
Dom Anca, I'm not worried about feminism or equality. I'm worried about constant speeches about feminism and or equality, that woud be plot suicid.
Maybe they'll just have the Doctor make snarky one-off comments and then just go about like she didn't hear them. Plus, I think even in the 1800s, if you're suddenly saved by the a monster by some weirdo with a Sonic Screwdriver, then you're not gonna care what the person's gender is.
@Samual Johnson. A good writer could pull it off, but it will be a hindrance to the writing process and it will be a hurtle to jump over every time a story is set in earths past. Over and over they will have to work around the Doctors new gender.
Taking that in to account plus a new actress trying to settle in to a new roll, a new writing team trying to find their footing, a new show runner in Chris Chibnall (who is a good writer, but not a good science fiction writer) and a noticeable percentage of the fan base who are already unhappy...well, seems like a recipe for disaster.
Why 'the hell' do you think episodes must be set in the Earth's past when there is an entire universe and an entire 15 billion year timeline to work with? How very anthropocentric of you to think that everything must be centered around the Earth, and the Earth's PAST, no less!
Not only that, why 'the hell' are you assuming the new Doctor will be flouncing around in ribbons and lace and whalebone corsets? She is quite thin enough that, dressed correctly, she could easily pass for a male in an emergency situation when everyone is too busy running to stop and look for secondary sexual characteristics. I highly doubt she will be using Magic Push-Up Bras and low-cut ballgowns to call attention to the breasts that this regeneration just happens to have.
As for that imaginary discussion you're so worried about... (I must correct the "your" to "you're")
"I'm the Doctor."
"No, you're not. It's 1812, women aren't doctors."
(drumroll, please)
"Indulge me. Now, RUN!"
I don't hate the idea of a female Doctor, and the one-minute clip of Jodie Whittaker does present her as being pretty charismatic and appealing...but it is a very radical change, and Whovians should be allowed to express their (to my mind) valid concerns without being called sexist, misogynist creeps. Intellectual bullying is the realm of cowards, no matter where it comes from culturally.
Peter Smernoff , Yes, there is no reason for anybody to be name calling, although there have been comments by a loud few that were both sexist and misogynistic. In actual numbers, those commentators have been in the minority. Unfortunately, once people see those (And some have gone viral as show titles, so they have been seen widely) they tend to judge all negative arguments through a lens of the worst extreme and respond accordingly. It's not a good way for people to engage in valid discussion, but it does seem to happen a lot.
Love your videos. You raise good points and you are one of the more level-headed people on here. Keep 'em coming!
Love the video. You made some great points...and I can see some of your concerns. But I think it is time for this change. I truly look forward to seeing where they take the show and particularly the character. My hope is that similar to David Tennant for me that by the end of her run...I am so emotionally invested in the character that I am literally crying in her final episode.
I have to ask I don't remember people complaining that much when the master became a woman. Why is it such a big deal that the doctor becomes one?
MyLatin1 Plenty of people complained about the master becoming Missy, I thought it was quite dumb, this on the other hand is just taking the fucking piss
Oh it was (and still is) complained about plenty. The difference is that it didn't get as much mass media attention because it wasn't the title character of the show.
I complained that the plot twist felt predictable and lazy. That was more my issue. Then it felt like all her "woman" remarks were a bit too much. Michelle Gomez as Missy is fine, though yes people do and will complain about her. The Doctor I still remember people freaking out that Capaldi was too old and having a walker on the Tardis and stuff like that. So yeah people (including me) aren't necessarily keen on Whittaker as The Doctor. Mine has nothing to do with her gender more how the show will handle it.
It definitely helped that we met Missy before they made the reveal that she was the Master. People were still mad, but I imagine the response would have been more negative if they had just announced the gender change before introducing the wonderful Michelle Gomez to us.
to be fair the Master hasn't been written as a male in the way the Doctor has. Sure there were the occasional sexist comments from him but that was just to show he was very bad. Meanwhile the Doctor has always been written as a male. Mostly by being married several times, charming female characters, he's a grandfather, and able to more easily convince people to listen to him. The Master doesn't tend to be written in a way that makes it so he couldn't be female.
My actual issues with this are mostly the lack of need and inherent issues, sexism, they will have to constantly overcome in past settings. I also am not certain that they will write the scripts well.
Even though I`m not overly happy with the BBC`s decision to make the doctor a female, I`m going to give the 13th doctor and series 11 a fair chance and hope for the best. Plus, I knew it was going to happen eventually (even though I personally didn`t want it to), so I might as well give her a chance.
David Hyatt-Bickle how long have you been using the ` key as an apostrophe (')?
Oh sorry, I didn't realize till you told me. I don't think it really matters, but thank you for telling me.
David Hyatt-Bickle that is basically what I thought on a female doctor I did not like it but I will give it a chance and hope they can make it work
I agree not hot on the idea, think Hayley Atwell would of been a better female choice if the Doctor had to be female, but I will give it a go, if it is bad we can only hope it will tank so hard that it finishes the show, so Disney can grab it and get it back to where it belongs
Thank you for being so civil. It's all I can ask for. I wish more people were like you and willing to just try it out even if they don't like the idea.
I'm just worried about the screwdriver. How else can you change from Capaldi's screwdriver?
You made an excellent point about this new Doctor's costume. :D
There's is so many problems in the world. But people are moaning about a good actress becoming a fictional time traveling alien that become a new being. I don't see what the big deal is about Jodie whittaker becoming the next doctor. Good luck to her.
To them I say: If you can't handle a female protagonist in a science fiction show, you're a fucking pussy.
Congratulations. I am a big supporter of a woman Doctor, and like Jodie Whittaker from what I've seen but your argument about the subversion of the male hero archetype being key to the Doctor, and key to the Doctor being male, is the best argument I have heard against a woman Doctor. I do not agree with you, but it's a thoughtful argument I can respect.
Well he ignores the he fact that there are multiple types of of male heroes. It's not as if this is the only hero main male character to use brains above brawn. Especially when they're quirky but brilliant. In fact he reminds me of both House and Sherlock. He's also ignoring the first doctor of New who. Christopher Eccleston never came across as anything but very typically masculine and it worked beautifully for me. I loved all the doctors and they're different sides. Even Capaldis callousness towards death of anyone not Clara was different than most of the other doctors. This is just something new and for me, there is no arch or type that is of any concern when it comes to Timelords lol.
As always : a very sensible and thoughful commentary. Thank you. I'm sure you will love Broadchurch (Jodi is really good in it). I'm waiting too to see the new Doctor's costume and looking forward to see 13th in action!
YES OMFG!!! I NEED to see her costume!! Not only will it inform us about her characterisation, but it will let all us arty types get to work on some lovely fan-arts
To begin with, I was apprehensive. Now that it's faded away a bit, I do feel minorly excited, but I'm still worried. Mostly because this could either kill the show because of The Doctor being a Guy for 50 Years or give it a never-before-seen stance Worldwide with a Person like the Doctor being genderless and holding the morals they have. So, I am Skeptical, but I'm still watching, which seems to be better than what some people appear to be doing. 😐
There's a certain stripe of fan that made up their minds on principle and were never going to give any woman a chance. What can you do?
Doctor Who, has a daughter don't forget, so why didn't she become the new doctor? Or she can be his companion I been watching doctor who since the third doctor, and my favorite was Tom Baker, and number eleven is my second favorite.
FRED PARRISH Wrong use of commas.
0:06 where did you get those?
Gifts, I believe largely acquired over Amazon.
I totally see your points.
And I totally agree with you on Matt Smith - he totally won me over at the very end of his FIRST EPISODE which is record time for me. That speech on the roof, still gives me goose bumps when he walks through the projection of his previous incarnations and says "Hello. I'm the Doctor.". And I always reply "Yes you are indeed!" Yes, I talk to my screen, live with it. :)
I hope they keep the blue coat for Thirteen, the one from the reveal. I think it looked great! Other than that, I'm just so curious! I have no idea where they're gonna go with it, and it's so exciting! :D
Can it be Christmas soon? And new season, like now please?
No perfect story? What about Inferno, The Silurians, Day of the Daleks, Curse of Peladon, The Daemons, The Time Monster, The Time Warrior, The Deadly Assassin, Warrior's Gate, Logopolis, Earthshock, Arc of Infinity, Enlightenment, The Five Doctors, The Three Doctors, The Two Doctors, etc.
Curse of Peladon? Perfect, really? I mean.. It's okay.
Are you kidding? Curse of Peladon was absolutely brilliant! It excelled in an area of Doctor Who which has now become lost to time. Even late 70's and 80's Doctor Who was often missing this element. In the early early Doctor Who serials, you would always have sub-plots. Each character didn't just exist to serve the main plot but also had their own beliefs, goals, and character motivations, and they acted on their own, alongside the main plot. Curse of Peladon and The Silurians were the epitome of this style of writing, really fleshing out the different factions to the point where they really felt like real people, not just tv characters.
Each to their own, but having seen all the Classic Who episodes, Peladon is hardly in my top 50. It's just yawn. Silurians are excellent. Pertwee is excellent.
Cough Genesis of the Daleks Cough
Cough Tomb of the Cybermen Cough
The Lovecraftian Centrist Genesis and Tomb are great stories, don't get me wrong, I love them. However, they are not perfect. One of the cliffhangers in Genesis is literally a cliffhanger where Sarah loses her grip and falls down from a great height, only to conveniently regain her grip on a lower rung next episode. It is a minor hole in the grand scheme of things, I'll admit, but it is a flaw nonetheless. Tomb of the Cybermen had many brilliant moments and aspects, but it did have a few stereotypes which made for weak characters. I'm not one to call things sexist or racist for no reason; in fact, I'm probably the guy people not knowing the real meaning of those words call sexist and racist simply for wanting the Doctor to keep his own gender. However, Tomb of the Cybermen did have some sexist/racist undertones with the middle-eastern foreigner being the villain, Victoria having to be protected and kept in safety because she's a girl, and the black guy being a servant who also gets killed off. Are these major issues? Not for me personally, but they did take me out of the story a bit. But hey, clearly as we can see with these stories, just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it's bad.
8:42 - 9:40
''you had six YEEEEEARS to get used to this, all right?''
this snarky attitude will likely kill the show for me. let me explain:
11th Doctor ''I'm a girl?!'' the Doctor seemed shocked and surprised by the thought. this seemed to me like he isn't capable of such a radical change and was amazed for the second he thought he had. of course he also checked his limbs, why? could he regenerate without them?! (I assumed he was just dazzled after the regeneration and was speaking nonsense)
that Time Lord the Doctor talked about that could change gender every regeneration?
okay, why? how? was it something this Time Lord was able to do like a unique ability or was the Doctor lying?
Eight Doctor.
needs to become someone else to be able to fight the war, he's offered a controlled regeneration. ''man or woman'' was one of the options. eh, why?
''you must save us you hero you! but first change your...gender?'' why was this an option, why does this ability exist?
Missy.
the Master regenerates into Missy, why? how?
did he always want to be one? was it forced on him? why does regeneration work like this?
regeneration is basically a healing factor, great, why did it 'heal' the Master from being male?
that general.
''all that ego'' didn't 'she' like being a 'he'? why not? ''finally back to normal'' what? are all Time Lords originally female?! why did he become a she? if 'she' didn't like to be a 'he' then why did she become one in the first place? did the Doctor just murder someone? ''see? a man can regenerate into a woman!'' (get used to this...all riiiiight?) funny, because if you cut that scene from the episode it makes no effect on the story. it just happened for the sake of it happening.
the 10th Doctor.
''I don't want to go!''
okay, then don't? why is the change forced on him? why does regeneration work like this? where does it come from? why do they regenerate?
the 12th Doctor.
''I will NOT CHANGE!!''
then...don't? what's stopping you? can't the regeneration heal your injury and then have you be whatever you want to be? why did the Time Lord design regeneration to be this way?
the First Doctor.
''I will not change, no, no, no the whole thing is ridiculous.''
eh? then why did you accept a regeneration cycle in the first place? couldn't he have asked for the none changing cycle? no? why? was it forced on him? how did he get the cycle in the first place? is there a ritual? a temple they go too? is it a reward for finishing Time Lord school? was he born with it? did he had to take a cycle for any reason?
the Ninth Doctor.
''every cell in my body is dying''
he needed to be rebuilt on a cellular level. his regeneration implies that regeneration isn't perfect that it will heal him but also change him. okay, cool. why did the Seventh Doctor change then? his injury was just a bullet wound and poor operation. why did the Fourth Doctor change? he just fell from high up. why did the Eleventh change he was just an old man at that point?
the point isn't that we had 6 years to get used to the idea of one day there would be a female Doctor, no the point is that they had 6 years to build it up properly and they haven't.
right now you might as well say that the Doctor can fly, oh remember that time when he jumped after the TARDIS in series 8? yeah, he can totally fly bro, all Time Lords can? and you had four years to get used to it, duh!
I can tell you why Spock blocks his emotions, or why Korra had trouble Airbending. but regeneration? why the Doctor has to change his face (aside from changing actor) or why his people can swap gender? no clue. 54 years and no one bothered to explore this ability, kinda shocking.
It would be like exploring why we need oxygen, or why the sun is hot. Because that's how the physics of it works. You have these 4-year-old or 5-year-old questions that are as obvious as the nose on your face is.
Let's take these questions of yours in order (well, in the order you have them), shall we?
#11 was probably suprised of the possibility of being a girl because the rest of the physiology at that moment didn't feel like it was; since it turned out he wasn't, no big deal, but that did show once again that it was a possibility. The rest of the body check was also potentially because it was a possibility (Eccleston's did mention the possibility of 2 heads or no heads, after all). As for why, and how, because that's how Timelord physiology works.
The "Timelord that regularly changed back and forth, you ask "was it something this Time Lord was able to do like a unique ability or was the Doctor lying?" Why must it be either? I am assuming you were referring to the Corsair, and the fact that gender changes are a regular, even expected thing is literally built in to that story. Because that's how Timelord physiology works.
You are asking next about the Sisterhood of Karn, and their patterning of a specific regeneration. This was because, had it been random, it may not have been a character and psychology suitable for a warrior, which the Doctor requested. Because regenerations are, well, random, as every cell, every atom in the body is being replaced, even down to what makes a person who they are. That is, again, why it's possible to have a gender change, because it's a complete, and completely random change. The Doctor requested to become the Warrior because at that moment he believed any Doctor (male or female) would not have been able to do what "needed to be done." And, yes, the Warrior could have been a female (as female warriors have often existed in humankind).
Your next question is about the Master and Missy. No, a change from male to female isn't a punishment - where did you get that idea? It is simply a random regeneration, and that one happened to have a female body. As for regeneration being "basically a healing factor," that's where you are making your error. It is a way for a dying Timelord to *replace* the dying body with a new one. Some Timelords waste their regeneration energy, but they are not supposed to (remember River slapping the Doctor for using it - wasting it - to heal her broken wrist?), unless they want to be considered foolish.
The General - well, yes, that was a bit over the top, but - consider this: each regeneration is a whole different character, and there's no saying that that particular regeneration's character is a grumpy female that doesn't particularly care for men. Is it nice? No, not really. But it isn't any more 'unusual' than a male on here stating that becoming female might be a punishment. *eyeroll*. it is simply an opinion, stated by a non-primary character, and the point of that being in the show was to show Clara that no, he didn't really kill anyone, since they were on Gallifrey, and regeneration would be almost immediate, AND, it allowed him access to one of those memory-wiper doohickeys (darned if I can remember the item's name right now), to save Clara, which was why he was there to begin with.
The 10th Doctor saying 'I don't want to go" was an affectation of his, where he wanted to remain that version longer - recall that he had used some regeneration energy once before to heal himself but didn't change, because he wasn't immediately fatally wounded - and was exceedingly pleased with himself when he managed it. When Timelords are fatally wounded, though, the process starts up on its own, and is extremely difficult to stop (there was one Timelord that refused to regenerate, and they looked upon it as a suicide). The regeneration process is very difficult to control, though, as has been shown before. And, why? - simply because that's the way Timelord physiology works.
#12 saying "I will not!" could have been him trying to stop the process (like the Timelord that committed suicide did), or it could have been him trying to better control *when* it happened - we don't KNOW yet, because that story hasnt yet played out all the way.
As for the First Doctor's complaint, it could have been like I described above, but he simply wasn't determined to suicide, or he may have been vain, like #10 was. However, once one is a Timelord, one accepts that is how it will be. From the time he was a child and looked into the Untempered Schism to start the process of becoming a Timelord, that was a path that he was going to be on, without fail. The childhood of the Timelords has never been fully explored, no, but it must be a very challenging process, or it wouldn't have driven the Master over the edge into madness, and it wouldn't have been something that the Doctor was afraid of failing when he was a child (the episode where Clara travels into his past).
Now, for the longest question, where you finally notice that regeneration means "every cell" is changed, but then you ask about multiple different regenerations. With the botched surgery, I believe it was the attempts to revive him with the paddles that killed him, though that isn't exactly clarified IIRC, but it still caused regeneration because, well, it killed him, and that's what causes regeneration. The Fourth? Perhaps it was because of HOW he fell, not the distance he fell. A couple of broken ribs could've punctured two separate hearts. The Doctor is tough, not impervious to injury. As for the 11th, you should rewatch that episode, as it was well-explained. He had come to the end of his regeneration cycles, and that body was hundreds of years old at that point & unable to continue battling the Daleks - then Clara spoke to the rest of the Timelords and pretty much demanded they help him - whereupon they gave him a new set of regeneration cycles. The change back to a young version was, as he said, just the "reset," and then he had to finish the regeneration, whether he wanted to or not.
Now, that all of that has been covered, you then jump back to the original complaint, and then add a complaint that "the Doctor jumped after the TARDIS because 'Timelords can fly?'" - when it's more like the TARDIS came and caught him, LOL - because she's Sexy and she wouldn't let anything happen to him. ;-) SO, just because you don't understand how Timelord physiology works doesn't mean it hasn't been covered at least enough for you to get the hint - the Doctor is an ancient ALIEN with two hearts and a blue box that travels all though time and space, and whose body and character completely change rather than dying. There is no canonical reason that said alien cannot become a person that just HAPPENS to have breasts rather than testicles. And there is no proof as of yet that this will damage the show in any way.
By the way - the snark? It comes from dealing with MRA nutjobs day in and day out complaining about how this change was "ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SJW LEFTIST TRANSGENDER AGENDA!" Pardon for the ALL-CAPS, but that's what a few ugly people have been screaming all over the place since the day the news came out. The snark was directed at that type.
Mary Ann Bittle
1/2
''It would be like exploring why we need oxygen, or why the sun is hot''
with these questions, we don't need to address: world building, character development, continuity, dialogue, acting, filming, editing, music, authors voice, pacing. act structure, beginning, middle, end. or any story telling structure of any kind. with these questions, I would direct you to a science book, a science teacher, a documentary or a simple google search. these questions would only be relevant if it's relevant to a story.
''Because that's how the physics of it works''
science explains how the real world works. in fiction its the author.
''You have these 4-year-old or 5-year-old questions that are as obvious as the nose on your face is''
and what an impressive nose it is, for the nose knows and always aims at the right direction.
''Let's take these questions of yours in order (well, in the order you have them), shall we?''
do we have too? I have the kettle on.
''#11 was probably suprised of the possibility of being a girl because the rest of the physiology at that moment didn't feel like it was; since it turned out he wasn't, no big deal''
your interpretation of that scene isn't immediately superior to mine just because it's your personal interpretation of that scene. you are filling in the blank to best suit your enjoyment of the story, while I enjoy a story if it has the basics. ''I'm a girl?!'' he utters in shock and with a hint of disgust. (just look at his face when he says it and the sound of his voice)
(Eccleston's did mention the possibility of 2 heads or no heads, after all)
Indeed, so when can we expect a regeneration with no head?
''As for why, and how, because that's how Timelord physiology works''
and why does it work like that? why did the writers write them to be that way? just because they are aliens? as in ''a wizard did it''? that's very 2 dimensional and lazy writing.
''I am assuming you were referring to the Corsair, and the fact that gender changes are a regular, even expected thing is literally built in to that story''
yes, the entire episode was about the Corsair. (hint: it wasn't at best it was a throwaway piece of dialogue with no actual substance to it or meaning for the rest of the story, quite normal for Moffat's era)
''Because that's how Timelord physiology works''
and who told the writer that Timelord physiology works like this a wizard?
''That is, again, why it's possible to have a gender change, because it's a complete, and completely random change''
awesome, I've been hoping for a Judoon Doctor for years now!
''And, yes, the Warrior could have been a female (as female warriors have often existed in humankind)''
quick Mary, you're our only hope, time is running out! by drinking this you'll change gender and be our savior, hurry now!
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yeah... the question isn't if a woman can be a warrior. the question is why a gender swap was even one of the options. do Time Ladies have special abilities Time Lords don't have? no? then what was the point? sorry that scene made no sense at all and frankly is just unintentionally funny. why not give the Doctor a clown car and a rubber ducky to fight the Daleks with while they were at it? a writer can't just throw that at the audience and expect it to work.
''No, a change from male to female isn't a punishment - where did you get that idea?''
how regeneration works. why they do it, why only 12, where it came from, why don't all on Gallifrey get a regeneration cycle. why are they forced to change face/body/mind/gender when they clearly don't want to. is it a cultural reason? is it a punishment? was regeneration purposely designed to be this way? and if so, why? 54 years of Doctor Who stories and no writer thought these might be interesting topics for tales? we can have 'Genesis of the Daleks' but no 'Genesis of the Time Lords'? the order our main hero is part of? we can have endless aliens of the week stories but no Time Lord world building stories?
''As for regeneration being "basically a healing factor," that's where you are making your error. It is a way for a dying Timelord to replace the dying body with a new one.''
as in regeneration is basically a healing factor.
''(remember River slapping the Doctor for using it - wasting it - to heal her broken wrist?)''
remember that the Doctor was supposed to be out of regeneration energy all together at that point? that's the level of writing and inconsistencies I've been critical off this whole time. it only became a problem when it became a problem, brilliant writing.
''unless they want to be considered foolish''
who doesn't?
''But it isn't any more 'unusual' than a male on here stating that becoming female might be a punishment. *eyeroll*''
you know we can't see you eye-rolling right?
I suggested that changing face/gender or whatever might be a punishment, could be. I don't know and the writers don't care to know.
''it is simply an opinion, stated by a non-primary character''
the 12th Doctor: “We're billions of years beyond your petty obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes''
apparently not. and sexism is still alive and well on Gallifrey. then again ''the Doctor lies''
''he didn't really kill anyone, since they were on Gallifrey, and regeneration would be almost immediate''
Second Doctor: ''You can't just change what I look like without consulting me!''
Tenth Doctor: ''I'm going to die'' ''it feels like dying'' ''I don't want to go''
I guess it's okay if the Doctor does it to someone else, our hero ladies and gentlemen. in any case, he forced a regeneration (Second Doctor anyone?) and so shortened the General's life expectancy.
''or he may have been vain, like #10 was''
''I'm going to die'' ''it feels like dying'' ''I don't want to go''
odd idea of vanity.
''once one is a Timelord, one accepts that is how it will be''
and rebel Timelords are known for following the rules...
''The childhood of the Timelords has never been fully explored''
54 years worth of stories and this never came up.
''the Doctor was afraid of failing when he was a child (the episode where Clara travels into his past)''
Tenth Doctor: ''I can never go back, I just can't, I can't!''
funny how problems aren't problems anymore when it convenient.
''where you finally notice that regeneration means "every cell" is changed''
finally, took me long enough (to quote the 9th Doctor, which was relevant to his regeneration)
''but it still caused regeneration because, well, it killed him, and that's what causes regeneration''
point was that his face and body was fine, only his hearts stopped and he had a bullet wound. changing body was totally unnecessary. the reason why I compared the two (Seventh and Ninth) was that Nine had every single cell in his body dying, and the only way to fix it was to fix every cell in his body at the cost of losing his current body for the process isn't perfect. cool, awesome actual rules. under these rules, why did the Seventh have to change body and face? the Eleventh heals Rivers wrist with regeneration right? you just pointed that out. great, so healing without changing body and face is possible. the show says. yay! he never has to change again....
and death causes regeneration? pretty sure 2-4-8-9-10-war and 11 weren't dead at the time of theirs.
''The Fourth? Perhaps it was because of HOW he fell, not the distance he fell. A couple of broken ribs could've punctured two separate hearts''
so regenerate the broken ribs and keep the rest the way he wants to be. (just like healing River's wrist)
''As for the 11th, you should rewatch that episode,''
no thanks.
''as it was well-explained.''
I disagree. that episode was pretty poor.
''then Clara spoke to the rest of the Timelords and pretty much demanded they help him - whereupon they gave him a new set of regeneration cycles''
*why? because Rassilon had an off day?
*how? Gallifrey was frozen in a single moment at the time. how did they give the Doctor a new cycle? and how did they get out of that anyway?
*what? where did that nuke power come from? why didn't all Timelords go nuclear during the Timewar? yeah, just send some agents to infiltrate Dalek strongholds and cause a nuclear regeneration kwaboooom! why not just do that every time there's a problem? why was the Doctor still surprised Gallifrey was somewhere when he got a new cycle from them? oh, here's that wizard again.
''Now, that all of that has been covered''
not in a very satisfying way, however.
''Timelords can fly?'" - when it's more like the TARDIS came and caught him, LOL''
amusing, this is why I wrote ''might as well say the Doctor can fly...'' not that he actually can. yet saying that he MIGHT, has just as much buildup as turning him female. I mean you saw him in the sky right? what ya means he can't? it happened in that episode, you had four yeEEeEeEAAeEeArs to get used to the idea that he can fly, duh. you don't understand how Timelord physiology works. which is on the same level as 'the Master turned female because he did' see? it's possible. and then have no character, not even Clara question it. or ask the logical question ''wait a minute Doctor, if she can...can you?'' she saw all 13 Doctors after all and all male. to be clear: what is normal to Timelords ISN'T normal to humans. yet, everyone on the show acts as if they are Timelord experts. even U.N.I.T never asks any questions about this. like I don't know is this the same Master who has shown up time and again to cause trouble? the same Master who was prime minister of the UK a few years ago? poor, poor writing.
''just because you don't understand how Timelord physiology works''
this has to become a T-shirt.
''the Doctor is an ancient ALIEN''
a fictional one, as in someone writes him.
just because the character is an 'alien' isn't a pass to do whatever.
basic story telling rules still apply.
Mary Ann Bittle
2/2
''There is no canonical reason that said alien cannot become a person that just HAPPENS to have breasts rather than testicles''
yeah, just like there's no canonical reason why said alien can't fly. shoot lasers out of his eyes, or turn into a car. I mean he is an alien, and aliens can do whatever for no reason. because he's an alien there's no need to explain it.
''And there is no proof as of yet that this will damage the show in any way.''
Doctor Who has been in a downward spiral ever since Steven Moffat took over. once the show attracted 7-10 million views an episode, over the last few seasons the show lost many, dropping to about 4-5 million views an episode. even a series finale can't compete with the shows glory days. (series 1-4) usually, when a show is in trouble they will try something controversial to try and gain interest again. will it work? will it backfire?
is the show heading towards a new hiatus? perhaps, perhaps not.
what was the main complaint from viewers dropping the show? either because their favorite Doctor left, or the poor level writing the show fell into, writing where things just happen for no reason. off screen story telling, convoluted series finales and giving characters abilities they didn't have before (nuclear regeneration, gender swap based healing factor)
once fans turned away because the Doctor would wear a rainbow clown suit for no reason, or strangle his companion. is history about to repeat itself? and the 13th Doctor will repeat the errors from the 6th? or will this be a start of a new golden age for the show? I wish them all the best of luck. Jodi Whittaker deserves better than to be the 'female Doctor, just because she is, shut it'
''The snark was directed at that type''
I'm a Leo actually.
seeing you ignored my final paragraph let me elaborate on a point I made in it. ever saw the show 'Avatar the last Airbender?' in it we meet Aang, an Airbender. he's from the world where people can use one of each natural element to aid them. so Air, Water, Fire and Earth benders. Aang, however, is the Avatar and so is part of the Avatar Cycle. this gives him, with training, the ability to use all four elements. the Avatar Cycle dates back thousands of years and during the show, we learn that he is reborn again and again. as in reincarnation. during the course of the show, Aang will learn about his past lives, gains the abilities of his past lives within the 'Avatar state' and under special circumstances, he can transform back into his past lives. he does this twice, he becomes Avatar Roku again, a male. and at one time he becomes Avatar Kyoshi again, a female. during vision quests, he talks to both male and female past Avatars. he has been male, female, fathers, and mothers many times. he has even been part of every people in his world. (born in and has lived in all the nations of his world) race, sex, nationality are all meaningless to the Avatar. the show proved so popular that a sequel series was made: Avatar: the legend of Korra. set 70 years after the original series and is about Aang's next life: Korra a female Avatar. seeing it wasn't out of the Avatars ability to be born female there wasn't any real issue when this show was announced. aside from a few who just wanted more Aang stories and some who claimed that girls can't be Avatars, nonsense of course because the show set that up perfectly. the ability was always there. and the outcry to this was tiny. Korra became another hit. not to mention went even further into the show's lore. where does the Avatar come from? who was the first Avatar? how did bending start? all explored in wonderful detail. in just 100 episodes the Avatar franchise explored its 'Avatar Cycle' in glorious detail while on Doctor Who the Doctor's regeneration Cycle is nothing more than a gimmick to get another actor when the last one leaves.
want to learn about the origin of the Daleks? get 'Genesis of the Daleks' want to know the in and outs of the Timelords? their history, science, the key players? their powers and limitations? their culture? anything? you get hints sure, but nothing with any real story meat to it to truly get into. and so I'm not at all surprised people are upset by this. for it feels again like 'and now this happens for no real reason' as the show sadly has de-evolved into.
I like stories that explore its concepts, world(s), and characters.
and Doctor Who hasn't been satisfying in that regard at all for the last six seasons.
You keep asking “why? how?” They’re aliens and also when you say 12 doesn’t want to change he can’t help it you can’t always stop a regeneration.
yes, I am asking the ''five ''w's'' of storytelling. if you don't know this is a logic tool to create well-crafted tales. they are:
who?
when?
why?
how?
what?
any well-crafted story will have satisfying answers to all 5. if not then there are plot problems. things just happen for no reason.
let me give you a few example questions and let us use your answer ''they're aliens''
1. who are these aliens? who is the Doctor?
2. why do they regenerate? why do they change body/face? why do they change gender? why don't all Gallifreyans regenerate? why can't other beings regenerate?
3. when did regeneration start on their planet, when does regeneration begin? when do they run out?
4. how does regeneration work? how do they get regenerations? how do they get more?
5. what is regeneration? what are the limits? what is a 'Timelord'? what is stopping other beings from gaining regeneration abilities? what is stopping the Doctor from remaining the person he is or wants to be/stay?
granted some have answers like they have 12 regenerations, sadly this leads too: why only 12?
however if the answer to all is ''they're aliens'' there isn't much of a story.
they had 54 yeeEEEaeEeaaars to explore the Doctor and his people, yet the truth is that regeneration is just a gimmick. an excuse to replace the actor.
very unsatisfying. it's not a female Doctor that I have a problem with, its the complete lack of world building, when the only possible defense is ''they're aliens'' then there are massive holes in the 54-year-old lore. if you are fine with ''they're aliens'' then power to you, but I enjoy stories with some meat to them. ''they're aliens'' is not a reason at all. because they aren't they are fictional characters in a fictional world. and then it's the writers that decide how the history, science, culture, powers and weaknesses, the tech and everything else works.
the question is then: why did the writers create a character with this ability? (aside from changing actors)
Very rational views. Love your channel so I've subscribed :)
i am intrigued about this idea and lets see how this plays out
Let's face the biggest problem with a female Doctor Who, is the fact that the BBC is at the helm - so it will be nothing but agenda pushing. Fairly blatantly at that - Jodi Whittaker is a good actress I've seen her in other things and I've liked, but SocJus stories just aren't good and no actor/actress is good enough to combat the awfulness of the scripts she'll be presented with.
this guy gets it
Like 30% of classic Doctor Who? Jon Pertwee Doctor Who had a tonne of environmental and anti-war messaging and McCoy had tonnes of anti-Thatcherism.
well anti-war messaging has grounds, modern day feminism's agenda is based on falsehoods.
@Gizmo fromPizmo
This wouldn't be 30% it would be 100%, it would be constant. It would also be ham-fisted and preachy. Where the classic episodes allowed the viewer to come to a conclusion, rather than telling them the conclusion and trying to force them to come to that conclusion.
You don't know that. None of Chibnalls stories for Doctor Who have been overly preachy, most of them have been fun little distractions and oh man have you not seen enough classic Who if you think they weren't ham fisted and preachy a lot of the time.
People are just assuming that "since Doctor is female it's going to be about feminism 24/7". Yes, I think even most feminists would agree that would be a problem if true. It is beyond ridiculous to assume this is going to be the case.
My main problem was that last seson, when they intrduced bill, we where told that it was not just some hype having a black gay female companion. Then Every episode we where told how she was a black gay woman. I see no reson this will not turn out the same. That all the stories now will be about how the doctor is a woman now. It will piss off most of the fans, and the peopel who screamed they wanted female doctor are not going to watch, because they where never fns in the first place. So the ratings will drop and the show will be canceld. And we are going to have to wait 10-20 years for the serie to start up again. It is the same thing that is happening in marvel comics.
Harald Bredsdorff I understand your problem, but which point in the History of Marvel Comics was a key character trait something practically pointless on focusing on?
I don't see Bill sexuality as being a defining characteristic. The pilot could have been male, and made no difference. Her dates could have been awkward and with men, and it would have made no difference to the plot. Please enlighten me, when it made a significant difference to the plot.
Did the fact she was dating an (new) woman erevry 3rd episode did not make the serie bether. Had she been dating a new man evry 3rd episode I would not have liket it any bether. And it was a feture because it made her conect difrent with the romans and the martian queen, because according to sjw writing. all woman are freinds. It was the same bullshit we have gotten from marvel comics. By the way, did you see the other episodes in the seson?. I would not have minded it if it was just the pilot. Having seen the whole seson I know more about the personalities off most of the backgroung characters than i know about bill, except, She is gay, black, a woman and does not like Donald Trump. thats it. O yeah, She falls deply in love after 2 min of talking. I would hate her as a charcter no matter her gender.
"My main problem was that last seson, when they intrduced bill, we where told that it was not just some hype having a black gay female companion."
That's not true in the slightest. You only saw this because you're too much of a bigot to see anything outside of her race and sexuality.
And you missed spelled season, introduce. And it's were not where.
"Then Every episode we where told how she was a black gay woman."
She brought up her race one time and it was only because it was she was concern about her race being in the past. Something any normal person would ask. She only brought when she was gay when guys would hit on her. Something every companion and woman for the matter has to deal with. It didn't bug you when the others turn down guys when they weren't interested but Bill doing basically the same thing is some how bad.
"That all the stories now will be about how the doctor is a woman now."
None of the stories have only focused on a person race or gender......
"It will piss off most of the fans, and the peopel who screamed they wanted female doctor are not going to watch, because they where never fns in the first place."
So called real fans got the Doctor they wanted 12 (a male) and the rates are now at their lowest.....
"So the ratings will drop and the show will be canceld."
The show rates are already going down with a male actor and at their lowest. IF the show gets canceled it won't be because of her, it would be because of people are just not interested in the show anymore regardless of who the Doctor is.
And you miss spelled canceled.......for the 4th time since we last met.
"And we are going to have to wait 10-20 years for the serie to start up again."
Again The show rates are already going down with a male actor and at their lowest. IF the show gets canceled it won't be because of her, it would be because of people are just not interested in the show anymore regardless of who the Doctor is.
"It is the same thing that is happening in marvel comics."
Still using this argument I see.
So having people in your entertainment that are not only white straight males ruins it for you. Do know that makes you a close minded bigot?
"Did the fact she was dating an (new) woman erevry 3rd episode did not make the serie bether. Had she been dating a new man evry 3rd episode I would not have liket it any bether."
She tried to date the girl in the opening and Penny and that was it..... The Penny date lasted about 5 minutes as well.....
According to your math, she should have dated 4 girls in the show and that never happened. Literally made something up.
Guess you're bad at math as well.
"And it was a feture because it made her conect difrent with the romans and the martian queen, because according to sjw writing."
Once again just saying SJW is what made it bad like a mindless drone again.
"all woman are freinds."
That's why she tried to kill her?
"It was the same bullshit we have gotten from marvel comics."
So having people in your entertainment that are not only white straight males ruins it for you. Do know that makes you a close minded bigot?
"By the way, did you see the other episodes in the seson?"
Apparently didn't since you made up half the stuff that you said happened in the show.
Miss spelled season again.
" I would not have minded it if it was just the pilot. Having seen the whole seson I know more about the personalities off most of the backgroung characters than i know about bill, except, She is gay, black, a woman and does not like Donald Trump."
That's not true in the slightest. You only saw this because you're too much of a bigot to see anything outside of her race and sexuality. And the Doctor hates Trump too by the way. Pretty much anybody with a brain does.
And you miss spelled season again....
" I would hate her as a charcter no matter her gender."
Having a hard time believing that since you completely ignored any of her actual character traits and made stuff up to hate on her.
Yes, english is not my first language. But you attacking me personal proves you know I am right instead of actually arguing. Sjw do 3 things, 1 they lie 2 they dobbel down 3 they project. highligts from the sjw kringe feast: Episode 1: Bill is gay and diffrent that is why the docktor want her as companion 2: Bill Have woman intuition and saves the day despite not knowing what a robot is. 3: Evil white men have slaves, Blakness saves the day and the whale 4: not that bad 5: EVIL kapitelism 6: Cern only drink wine, no science, more dating 7: dating again, only bill can give away the earth "because she loves to"? 8: only bill can stop evil brain machine because woman power 9: Bill stops queen because they are bouth women 10: The Romans only get organised when bill takes charge because woman 11 and 12: bill can stay human despite being a cyberman because woman power. Also, Aperently the docktor think donald trump is worse than hitler. Hate all humans, except sjw. He cares about melanin, think music is the same as math. And can not save the day without help from a female sjw who speaks emoji.But do tell me. What character development did Bill have after 12 episodes and 20 years. In what way was she not the same child at the end that she was at the begining?
When you already knew he could change genders from Sarah Jane adventures 😌
Hmmmmmm, some good points but I am still seriously excited about seeing what they do with the dynamic and the character in this new incarnation as I always am.
So you're sexist for wanting a male Doctor, but not sexist for wanting a female Doctor? This is some serious BULLSHIT!
*you're
No, dearie. You're(*) sexist for simply ASSUMING the choice was about "SJW misandrist liberal leftist transgender agenda," or soemsuch bullshit, and even moreso if you specifically list all of that crap in your rant about it.
I never assumed that was the reason. In fact, I never said anything close to that. My point was that you shouldn't label people who wanted a male doctor sexist because no one is doing the same to people who wanted a female doctor. That's what feminism preaches, doesn't it? Equality.
Lol nice job at trying to twist it. A lot of the people who "simply want a male Doctor" have been claiming that the Doctor should never be a woman (even though the Doc is an alien), and that if they did announce a woman doctor that it was only to tick boxes, as if the job couldn't possibly be performed well by a woman. These are the same people who would've been whining if the actor hadn't been white.
I haven't twisted anything. And what you said about the majority of people not wanting a female doctor, because they're sexist has no proof or statistics to back you up. Yes, there maybe a certain percentage who believe that but not all, and certainly *not* the majority.
Also, you're saying that "these are the same people who would've been whining if the actor hadn't been white." What!? You're, just assuming, again. That has been proven wrong on a number of occasions. Just watch a whole load of videos and read some articles about people not wanting a female doctor, or "whining" as you call it. They have said they wouldn't really mind the race of the character, and I agree.
And although I think the BBC allowed Chibnall to go ahead with the female doctor idea to "tick a few boxes", I don't believe it was the main reason. It makes more sense to say it was because of the viewing figures dropping quite low, and they needed to draw in more people - That seems like the more obvious reason.
Now, please don't get me wrong. I'm sure Jodie will do well in the role, but not feel like THE DOCTOR, much like Michele Gomez as Missy. Missy was her own great character but never felt like THE Master, like her predecessors (just my opinion). But I can't be sure it was her gender that caused the feel of her character to be slightly off - it could've very well have been the writing, the more likely case.
So that's why I still have hope she'll be fine. But if the writing is off, unfortunately, Jodie will get the blame, even though it won't be her fault, no doubt about that.
#HopingItsGood
The Doctor doesn't take charge of things? It's been a running joke for decades how he just sort of immediately becomes the leader of any given situation. Give me a break.
Wasn't there a line tht da 12th doctor mentioned to bill about Missy n da 12th maybe brought something out about a timelords gender?
How did you not watch Broadchurch??
I am super excited to see what happens, and how Jodie plays this role, because I LOVE her in Broadchurch and think she is really good at what she does :)
The doctor has always been a bit androgynous, so I don't see a problem.
Not really. In what way?
Ummm...no. He really wasn't. The only doctor where I could see this to be remotely true might be 11, but that's about it. Mostly, he was the "eccentric british gentleman".
yeah he really hasn't been
No, he hasn't.
Especially in the case of the exceptionally alien Tom Baker.
I don't hate that the doctor is a woman I hate the reasons that she was probably chosen for and all the feminist stuff they'll probably force into the writing
Incorrect. The man that is running Doctor Who now has publicly talked about how much he hates what feminism has become and hates identity politics in general.
Chris Chibnall isn't really known for writing like that, so I don't think it will happen. And Chibnall chose her because she was the best actor for the role.
but that doesn't mean someone wont force it into the writing and do you really think that why a woman who is a feminist just happened to be chosen
Chibnall's doing it differently than Moffat or Davies did. Moffat and Davies gave their writers free range. Chibnall is going the writer's room route. Similar to what he did with Broadchurch.
Lorion, if it was ANYBODY other than Chibnall, then I would agree with you, but since it IS Chibnall, NOPE. He has said that he would slit his wrists before even getting involved with that shit.
Jodie Whittaker must have 12th doctor's sonic screwdriver
What's the next pair of glasses going to be
To quote Matt Smith as Eleven:
"Sorry, did you mention 'the rules'? Never EVER tell ME 'the rules'!"
And to quote also Peter Capaldi as Twelve:
"(Time Lords are) billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes.”
So, you butthurt fans who feel "betrayed" from a woman Doctor, after FIFTY YEARS of white male actors to play the part, get the fuck over it: the Doctor can technically change not only appearance, but race and sex too and can even take an alien form if he wants to. No rules are broken here. No choice was done just for political correctness. This is coherent. What is broken, is a rigid and sad tradition that frankly has really done it's time. How.... HOW can people who claim to be fan of this show, a show that has made "change" and "renewal" its strong point, be so scared of this and even say idiotic stuff like "Doctor Who is over after this"? This fandom is cancerous. Terrible beyond belief.
Welcome, Jodie Whittaker!
Exactly. People seem to forget the Doctor is a fucking alien. Why would Time Lords be bound by the social norms and attitudes of a primitive species?
Wow, you're so HARD and BADASS stfu
BananaSandwich3000 this response is so stupid and just proves my point.
Nice to see that people are still labeling me and others just because we don't agree with the choice.
EmmeKira Actually he couldn't transform into any alien. Time Lords and humans just look strangely similar.
Yeah but it's only been canon under Steven Moffat. Outside of this little bubble, it's never been canon. Are we really going to ignore 50 or so years and 13 Doctors of established canon just because in the last couple of years social justice warriors are trying to make everything in pop culture about them? They're clearly pandering. Like if RTD tried to get a woman after Eccleston left, I don't think you would have had as much controversy because it would be a purely artistic choice. The fact that it's simply being done now seems to suggest that the BBC is just pandering to an audience interested more in politics than in sci-fi. They're trying to act progressive just to appease the feminists, instead of having a good reason to do it. Mainly because, there is no reason to switch genders, hence why it was never even conceived of before as a legitimate possibility. There's nothing sexist about wanting to keep the Doctor his own gender. Funny, I don't hear any men crying that we need a male Romana, because that would be stupid and completely change the character to point where it's unrecognizable. But if you try explaining that for the Doctor, oh no, now you're a sexist, mysognist pig.
I'd have no problems with Romana being portrayed by a guy.
with respect to your opinion I don't think those of us who have wanted a female doctor have done so for the reason you think.
you say there is no reason to switch genders but in my view there was never a good reason why he would stay male.
if you regenerate and have a new body that is completely random, from a probability point of view the doctor should have been a woman several times
it wasn't a 'we want a female doctor because we want one' it was more 'it's ridiculous that the doctor hasnt been a woman yet'
and I don't think in the 60s and 70s and 80s they kept the doctor a man out of purposed choice. rather it was a mix of no one thinking of that eventuality and those that did thinking society wouldnt accept it.
in the orginal doctor who they wouldn't have had a pansexual capt Harkness, because of the society of the time of production not due to plot. it's more ridiculous that for so many decades the doctor DIDN'T cross paths with a pansexual character
+therocpd Oh wow, it looks like god himself has come down from his high horse to ordain what is okay.
Spoiler Alert: The world doesn't revolve around you. What you have an issue with or don't has no bearing on the reality of the show. Whether you like it or not, it is a fact that that is simply a staple of the show. You're not going to see a Zygon Doctor or a female Doctor or a gay Doctor or an Asian Doctor simply because somebody out there (probably not a fan at all) gets offended that the Doctor happens to be a white male.
Yes, except it's not random. That was the whole fucking point of bringing up Romana. She's really the only female Timelord we've seen regenerate in the classic series, so my point was that it's not just that the Doctor should be a man because I'm sexist. It's because the gender you're born with is the one you're stuck with, and that applies to female Timelords as well.
If anything, that should be proof that he can't change. If it were truly up to probability, then you're right, we should have had 6 female Doctors by now, maybe a couple of gay ones, definitely some black and minority race, right? But no, that's clearly not how it works. He's always a straight, white male in every incarnation. So clearly, probability has no impact because being anything other than the one you're born with *is not a possibility.* If it's not even possible, then probability must equal 0. Pretty simple.
Yeah, they were right to think the fanbase wouldn't accept it. The Doctor is a character that had been going on by that point for 10-20 years. To change him would be to betray the fanbase and kill the show. Nobody would dare be so unbelievably stupid...until now.
No, it's actually not. The proportion of bisexual people in human population alone is very, very small. Before what was it, 2010 or something really recent like that gender dysphoria was considered a mental illness. So evidently, no, he would not normally encounter people like that.
By the way, it's not like being gay necessarily excluded you from the show. John-Nathan Turner was the producer of Doctor Who for 9 years--that's longer than anybody else in the show's history, even today, and he was a homosexual. I, personally, have no issue with now adding in gay characters, as long as they still have their own identity and character other than being gay. Jenny and Vastra, for example, were bad characters not because they were gay, but because that was the only really identifiable characteristic they had. You don't see straight people going around being proud of the fact that they like to bang girls or make that their only character, so likewise, gay people can be gay as long as they have some other characteristic. That's why Captain Jack worked so well. Nobody gave a shit that he was gay, because he still had great charisma, great chemistry with the other actors, and a solid character.
So as long as the new character works, fine, add them. But *DON'T CHANGE A CHARACTER THAT ALREADY EXISTS JUST TO FIT YOUR AGENDA.* It's one thing to add someone like River Song who's a strong female rivaling the Doctor, or someone evil and stronger than the Master, like the Rani, but don't go changing already established characters whom the audience is accustomed to.
As I said above, regeneration wasn't canon until Hartnel left the show, during Troughtons era it was explicitly said they could live indefinitely unless they were destroyed until Tom Baker introduced the twelve regeneration limit. Canon is and always will be added to to fit the needs of the current writer or writers.
And maybe if people stopped claiming a SJW conspiracy then maybe people would stop claiming anyone who wanted a man for the Doctor is a misogynist. Undoubtedly Chibnall has his reasons for making the Doctor female. You don't know what those reasons are. All you're doing is projecting your own bias and making assumptions.
Just like the BBC (a notoriously SJW channel) is projecting their agenda.
Gizmo fromPizmo Really? It's a conspiracy? Are you ignorant of the outside world? Look at the current state of movies. The Ghostbusters debacle last year, the Force Awakens had Rey the Mary Sue, video games are sacrificing historical accuracy and realism for the sake of diversity, Marvel had its most famous and beloved heroes change genders and become minority races. Marvel faced great backlash from its fans and sales figures tanked.
I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but yeah there is definitely a trend going on where big corporations who own major franchises or pop culture icons are trying to force diversity and 3rd wave feminism into their latest products. Whether their leadership is simply ideologically motivated or they fear the bad press from leftist media I know not, but what I can say for sure is that this is happening and it's only happened in the last couple of years.
Also, I'm confused about this paternal point you made. As in, I don't understand what you mean at all
I think we should remember that we are in good hands! Watch an interview with Jodie where she talks about the show - she's animated, she's moving around and excited. She's not over it, she's not calculating and PR-stoppered. She seems really really engaged with the show. That's a very good sign. And the loss of certain subversive aspects of the doctor-as-sci-fi-hero allows for the introduction of subversive aspects of the doctor-as--sci-fi-heroine, which could be just as interesting. The most important thing is to wait and see, and join in on all the excitement about the changing of this dynamic series.
The show is gonna tank. Mark my words, the quality has been going down. And making a very bold and stupid move is not what they should do now. This is ruining the core storytelling of the show, it's like rebooting Buffy the vampire slayer with a male in the role.
This will be the last doctor.
*sip tea* K
gender identify isn't something to be celebrated an it in fact devalues the actors achievements and it feels like they choose "a woman" one who the director already knew just to placate the SJW's by being extra progressive and start the conversation to counteract low ratings.
The shows always been progressive just look at captain Jack and Bill(heck even the cross species Victorian lesbians sorry I forgot their names) as well as the general and the master becoming women losing a paternal doctor is going to hurt but I am not opposed to a female doctor and I have the full intention to watch the series to its finale.
everyone's afraid of change and wanting the doctor to stay male isn't a sexist or backwards (considering 50 years of strong male actors with female companions who have often been more badass and useful in some ways than their respective doctor) and this change doesn't feel like it's for the right reasons.
So, first off, there is ZERO proof this had anything to do with anything other than just Jodie did the best at the auditions. All of the "SJW" nonsense is just coming from people like you, nowhere else. Secondly, if you don't like the fact that people/aliens from the future and from other planets aren't as sexually uptight as you are, why are you still watching? Third, you started your comments with complaints about change, and then say "everyone's afraid of change." And then complain about "badass" female companions? Forgetting the fact that there were often only male companions, of course. Mainly because Timelords aren't very gender-oriented, and don't let it make a difference in either themselves or the choice(s) of their companions. And completely ignoring the fact that there is nothing saying a female Doctor won't be badass, too... because you haven't even SEEN a single episode with Jodie being the Doctor, and you won't see a full episode with her until 2018 - probably a full year from now.
So why don't those of you complaining about SJWs and claiming women can't be paternal (oh, you'd better be sure to let all the single mothers out there know they're not good enough for you!) just stuff your opinions back down the rabbit hole and WAIT until we have a few episodes to judge by? Or is that too "progressive" and "leftist" and "SJW" for you?
Mary Ann Bittle actually Chris chibnall the new show runner said he intended for the new doctor to be female so yes Jodie was the best woman doesn't mean the applicant I never complained about the female companions so that's just incorrect and I'm watching and will keep watching as long as it's still enjoyable
Yeah, the people running it in the 1980s wanted a woman Doctor, too... but no one ever stated a particular time/season/series for it to happen, until Jodie knocked it out of the park at the auditions she attended. If she hadn't done so good at the auditions, we could have easily gotten a(nother) (white) male Doctor this time around, too. As far as the middle of that sentence, it looks like it 'kind of got away' from you, there. "... doesn't mean the applicant I never complained about the female companions... " Huh? Wanna put that into some sort of, er, semblance of sense? Or at least put a freaking period or comma or semicolon or SOMEthing in there to help the rest of us know what on earth it was supposed to mean? At least the ending of the comment was a good one. ;-)
Well, let me tell you something. Shut up. If you don't want people to focus on the Doctor being a woman, stop complaining about the Doctor being a woman.
N0 Liv3s Matt3r Black and white fallacy. Just because someone has a few bad ideas doesn't mean all their ideas are bad. Guess philosophers should stop talking about Plato.
I agree with you. Haven't got much to add.
you explain yourself very well. Good job.
My humble opinion
9. Was good, brought the show back.
10. Was perfection.
But the writers had a huge story arc ( Amy, River, Melody, the doctors wife, Amy's baby ect. ) that wouldn't work with 10. You just couldn't have 10 love River more than Rose. So you need a new doctor.
11. Did well, he had a string of great stories and episodes and bad guys like the silence.
12. Poor 12, he was just a bridge getting us ready for 13. 12 had nothing to work with, bad stories bad ideas ( sonic sunglasses) and it was all girl power from day one. The impossible girl, the immortal girl, River, the black lesbian, Missy
I feel bad for 12 he's going to be thought of as one of the worst doctors when he could have been one of the best.
The show has been going downhill for awhile now and 13 is another step in the wrong direction. I've given up on what was my favorite show.
Ray Ford honestly it could be a mistake it also could be like 9 a second wind. Am not saying it’s a good or bad change am just saying he doctor becomes someone new every regeneration. Let’s just see what this one brings before we judge.
I just don't want the Doctor to be a woman, it's as simple as that. I'd rather they killed him off and made and brought in a different female Time Lord. They could call it "Romana Who" or something like that. I mean, that would be stupid, but still less stupid than this.
Charley Newman The idea has been around for 30 years, and on tv for the past 6 years. Get over it
Just because one of the worst writers this show has ever had decided to throw in the concept, doesn't make it a good idea or one that I have to accept.
The creator of the ORIGINAL SERIES Sydney Newman pushed for a female doctor in 1986
The Lovecraftian Centrist yeah and Marvel Comics published a story where Peter Parker sold his marriage to the devil to save Aunt May's life. Just because it's canon doesn't mean it's a good idea.
And just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
One of the things I'm hoping for is a future episode with one or two of the previous versions of the Doctor interacting with the new Wittaker version. I know they did the whole Missy meets Master thing but it would be such a different interplay between the characters, especially if the Christopher Eccleston or David Tennant versions were to show up.
What is the difference between paternal and maternal tendencies?
I went into detail on this more in my earlier video from a few years back. Short version (and please understand I'm talking about the generic cultural norms and expectations, I'm NOT saying what men or women must be or are supposed to be): maternal is more emotionally engaged and coddling, paternal is more emotionally distant and challenging.
Thank you for answering my question so cogently. But must the Doctor violate that specific trope in that specific way? That is almost a rhetorical question. Almost. I think the answer is "No."
Of course not. By and large my concerns are just that: concerns. Not stringent guidelines, or things that the Doctor MUST or MUST NOT be. Because any rule I could ever think of could be broken if approached thoughtfully enough. So think of it more as me pointing out the road hazards and then trusting the writers can be smart enough to avoid them in the ways they see best.
The show will get cancelled and we'll only have the SJWs to thank for.
Not likely, Chibnall has said he has a 5 year plan and would only take the job if the BBC let him do it, we will have more than one season with her as the doctor and by then ratings will be so far down the shitter that there will be no salvaging it and they'll have to cancel. Theres no way that this isn't being PC to give in to the SJWs, 55 years of DW where theres been 12 doctors and the war doctor, if there is truly a 50/50 chance of becoming a woman we'd of had one by now, gender swapping wasn't a thing til Moffat thought he was clever making Missy the Master (terrible incarnation of the Master btw). It's got publicity but not the good kind, I don't think the change is a good thing, we all know how great the Ghostbusters reboot was now don't we...
I too wants to know about the future. Can you give me some lottery numbers bruh? Maybe you should put where your mouth is and never watch Doctor Who again if it doesn't get cancelled just because a female doctor is playing the role. I mean you'd be doing everyone a favor really being sexist and all, but that's just my opinion.
people need stop taking about the ghostbuster, you think if they keep the male as main character or the original male actor in ghostbuster, that movie is going to be fantastic?? no, stop pretend, face the true, that movie is piece of crab no matter male or female lead the role, the story is no may near good. it is XXXX even they cast male actors!
Its sexist to want my male characters to stay male? If anything its sexist towards men to want to change the gender to female. Don't see people crying out to change female characters like Wonder Woman and Lara Croft into men do you? How about they come up with more female characters instead of changing the gender of existing male ones? Or is that too much of an effort for our poor writers? Consideration is nothing they probably considered it and realised how bad of an idea it was and dropped it, this time I'd say they had no choose cause otherwise they'd be labelled as sexist, gender swapping was unfortunately canonised in 2014 when the master became a woman, and yes you can compare it to Ghostbusters, change is a major part of DW yes but the changes have never been too drastic, good writing can't save it if a big chunk of the fan base don't wish to watch it in protest to this decision, I may not know for definite but I'm quite confident in my belief that the shows ratings will plummet to a point where the show may just go beyond saving.
The show rates are already going down with a male actor at their lowest. IF the show gets canceled it won't be because of her, it would be because of people are just not interested in the show anymore regardless of who the Doctor is.
Doctor Who has been dying a slow and painful death. I think this is the final nail in the coffin.
MrDKGaming™ In what way is this the final nail in the coffin, you'd almost think things with female leads like Wonder Woman and the Tomb Raider franchise have found incredible success.
There are great female leads and there should always be good female leads. But not Doctor Who, The Doctor has been male for 54 years and it should never change. The doctor was born a male, therefore should stay a male. The Master was changed to a female, yes, but The Master is not a lead and nowhere near as iconic. It would be like changing James Bond's gender or Wonder Woman, Ghostbusters, etc.
the difference fierce is that james bond has to reboot his universe to change actor, the doctor doesn't need that. so your 54 years excuse is invalid
MrDKGaming™ can you provide some objective evidence proving this? Or is it just your personal opinion?
Just one day later, and already the topless pictures of the Doctor have been published, by British on-line tabloids. Enough of the sexist bullshit!
I remember the doctor and claira discussing his next regeneration in which they spoke of how he could be a queen and he said, " oh, that would be nice." Remember that episode??
We're pretty sure the 13th Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver will certainly have a vibrate setting.
So are we also assuming every other Doctor had a fleshlight setting?
Council of Geeks absolutely!
You forget about the third Doctor Jon Pertwee using Venusion Karate. He was able to stop somebody from attacking with a touch of his hand as well. He was a very action orientated Doctor and my second favourite, Tom Baker being the best of course
Actually the concept of a timelord being a woman was t firstmentioned in the end of time part two when 11 thinks that he’s turned into a woman right after his regeneration. 8 also get offered the chance to be a woman in the night of the doctor.
Is it still a subversion if you've been doing it for over 50 years?
I haven't watched Doctor Who in a while, I dropped off around Capaldi's first few episodes (not because of Capaldi, I started working nights so I didn't have time to catch all my shows while they're on), but since The Doctor began his new regeneration cycle, I've assumed that each regeneration of the Doctor gets younger as he makes his way through the cycle, which is why we go from the youngest looking doctor to one played by Capaldi, who was the same age as Hartnell when he played the character. I don't know how old this actress is, but it compromises that trend. I don't know if that's even something that makes sense in terms of Timelord physiology, but it made a lot of sense.
As I've posted elsewhere I enjoyed the clumsy slapstick of her debut and hope that she gets to do more of the same.
I've watched Doctor Who since I was 7, when I was that little, Jodie Whittaker taking over the role wouldn't have phased me. In my eyes any version of the doctor WAS the doctor, not an actor. With every regeneration I am like everyone else sad about what is lost, and skeptic about the successor. But regardless of skepticism among fans, each doctor leaves a legacy, Jodie Whittaker deserves a chance to leave hers. I am immensely excited to witness the adventurous and vivid personality I can already see from her short apperence. She has proven to be a talented and brilliant actor, with good writing I think her doctor will win the hearts of us all.
Remember Captain Janeway in Star Trek Voyager? Didn’t she break down these stereotypes back in the 90s? I wonder if Trekkies were freaking out about that back then?
I wasn't plugged into Trek fandom at the time to be able to say, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Ramble? This is the most well reasoned monologues I've heard on this subject. You have a new subscriber.
My only problem with the doctor being a woman is that the next doctor (doctor after Jodie) if it's a man people ate going to be like
Oh I knew it a female doctor couldn't work
If it's a female again, people will complain that they had two female doctors in a row
I’m looking back at this in 2020 and I think it is really impressive how quickly for me at least she really took on the doctor as a character. And I agree that I was nervous for her to no longer be a male character who was (mostly) non violent. However they did gain back some subversion for me in the fact she was funny and self confident-traits I feel we don’t see as often for women main characters.
Thank you my exact idea
Buddy I saw your old video from a few years back. And if people go back and look at that... You are now doing a little bit of tap dancing....FUNNY
When your a Doctor who fan and you realize you never known a new Doctor who because the only actors you know are from Doctor who.
I'm thinking her outfit is what we saw in the reveal video. If not, I'm guessing we won't see it till after the Christmas Special. After all, unless the regeneration happens early in the episode, she'll only be seen wearing 12s outfit, and she'll likely get her new outfit with the next series premier.
It's been confirmed that outfit is a placeholder. Now there's a chance it might turn out to be something close to that, but it hasn't been settled on yet. I expect we'll get promotional images of the finalized outfit between the Christmas Special and the start of the next series.
The Master turns into a woman, and nobody bats an eye. The Doctor turns into a woman, and everybody loses their minds.
Oh there was plenty of eye batting at the Master. There were a TON of people in denial and insisting it would be revealed that it was really the Rani pretending to be the Master. Maybe because they opted to believe that there was less outcry because they could put off dealing with it in their own heads.
I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE NEW TARDIS
After watching many of your posts on the show ( that I have loved since first seeing it in 1983) I became a sub. The reasons why ( 1) You are open minded to the fact that things change and it may be for the better(.2.)Before offering a solid opinion on anything, you do your research, until you have a clearer view point of your subject matter, it is more of a general observation. (3) Your thoughts are well ordered and easily followed. (4) I believe YOU to be a true fan of the show because you have stuck with it for good ( which is easy to do ) or bad (not so easy) hoping it will be good. By the way , Tom Baker is my Doctor and always will be.
She was a main character in a show on Netflix that is pretty great called broadchurch. David Tennant is a main character as well
Remember how the Derek Jacobi version of the Master was inspired to regenerate into the John Simm version when he saw the Tenth Doctor? Maybe, on a subconscious level, the Doctor is basing his upcoming female form on Missy? This has happened before, at least according to Doctor Who Magazine: the First Doctor met the Monk and soon afterwards regenerated into a body somewhat similar to his, and the Fifth Doctor regenerated into an exact duplicate of the Time Lord Commander Maxil (both played by Colin Baker). Maybe Time Lords can base their new forms on other Time Lords who leave a strong impression on them...
My biggest problem with 13 being a female is that the 14th Doctor is guaranteed to get massive backlash. If 14 is a male, people will say 13 was a token. If 14 is female, people will continue to blame SJWs and feminist agendas. The least amount of backlash I can imagine is a male of a non-Caucasian ethnicity (which I would love). Even that would have its fair share of haters though.
Yeah, I don't envy whoever is in charge during the next regeneration. I don't think that's actually a reason to not have the Doctor be a woman, for the record. But it's going to be a very unpleasant situation pretty much any way they go with it. And that just kind of stinks.
I agree that I'm looking forward more to the reveal of her costume. And along with that, I just want her to have her own eccentric personality that every doctor has had. Even those who played the role quite straight like Pertwee and Ecclestone had something about them that made you look and go; "oh, they're definitely an alien." I haven't seen Jodie in anything else so far so I'm curious to see how well she could pull something like that off, but I'm trying to be optimistic.
With regards to why the Doctor never regenerated into a woman previously, it wouldn't be to much of a stretch to suggest a second regeneration cycle is more fluid, allowing for a more diverse range of actors in the role.
I suppose but that kind of explanation I don’t really feel is necessary at this point, whereas I felt otherwise in the past.
71 year old new whovian here. I really enjoy your commentary, Kiddo. Mostly because you tend to agree with me most of the time. I,too, am concerned that what I find endearing about the doctor won’t be seen as endearing in a woman. On the other hand Jodie Whittaker was beyond amazing in Broadchurch so I trust her to be genuine. I also love that the TARDIS threw her out! It goes a long way toward explaining that incredible Mona Lisa smile at the end of the reveal when she finds it again. I agree about Chris Chibnal’s episodes in Doctor Who. But he did an amazing job with Broadchurch and was also the writer and producer for UNITED - which is one of David Tennant’s best movies. Check it out. So. I am holding my breath and hoping we get more of the Mona Lisa smile.
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Matt smith played David tennant? Since when?
Yeah I heard that in the edit but hoped nobody would notice. Now I hang my head in shame.
Haha, I had to play it back once to make sure i didn't hear it wrong. It's fine though, every youtuber makes a mistake once in a while.
considering the new sonic screwdriver has only existed for one series I'm guessing that Jodie Whittaker is going to keep it
Probably for at least a series. Crossing my fingers for a Tardis interior redesign at the very least though.
Council of Geeks I'm hoping for more round things
I love the round things.
0:08 agreed, from now on I will only watch sequences with the sonic screw driver.
so....all of it?
There is the subconscious choice such as was implied with Capaldii wondering "Why THIS face?" in his first episode.
Valid point, and I'll be curious to see if that's laid in or just left for us to theorize on.
Merry early Christmas person scrolling through the comments!
for the subversive angle I completely agree, which is why the initial contrast with 9 and Harkness was so strong
I hope they change the police box back to the old battered version (Davies era) rather that the clean brand new one (Moffat era). The Davies police box was in the announcement video so I hope that's a hint, rather that an accident
at least we have the audio dramas.
First time the Matt Smith-Doctor was on screen he did say "Im a girl!", so genderchange was in the mixer. Kind of like roll a dice.
Also means that timelords/ladys are asexual but with a original male or female mind.
Jodie might play the doctor as a male mind in a female body.