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100% WATERPROOF --- Sealant Instead of Thinset 7 Day Test

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  • Опубліковано 16 бер 2023
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    Using sealant instead of thinset to adhere sheet membrane.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 372

  • @kevinbeauchene6854
    @kevinbeauchene6854 Рік тому +52

    Thank you for taking the time as well as paying for these materials, doing these tests, and all of the editing. We all appreciate your hard work and your drive to better the industry! I've learned how to tile thanks to your channel!!

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +5

      I appreciate you Kevin!

    • @kevinbeauchene6854
      @kevinbeauchene6854 Рік тому +7

      @@TileCoach I lost my metal restoration business during covid and decided to get back into remodel jobs. I've been religiously watching your channel and learning all I can. Thanks again for everything, you've helped me out of a low point and I love what I do even more now!

    • @Goodoletom916
      @Goodoletom916 8 місяців тому

      Very useful information, thanks for doing all of these tests, your such a great teacher as well

  • @davidpishchik4226
    @davidpishchik4226 Рік тому +16

    I've been on a quest for full waterproof too. Glad to see someone else care about quality.

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +2

      On the journey! Glad to hear it David.

  • @tonyboneize
    @tonyboneize Рік тому +53

    Schluter just loves this guy😂😂😂

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +47

      They should be thanking me for market research!!!

    • @tonyboneize
      @tonyboneize Рік тому +6

      @@TileCoach I’m with you bro. 27-28 years now and Schluter is good but damn……. Step the F up. Mr. Schluter would have….. Wait….. is that knuckle head still alive???

    • @tilework7276
      @tilework7276 Рік тому

      🤣🤣

    • @russelljochim8607
      @russelljochim8607 Рік тому

      All press is good press, probably😢

    • @theadventuresofstevedefoss7940
      @theadventuresofstevedefoss7940 Рік тому

      Indeed

  • @ChaseJ_86
    @ChaseJ_86 Рік тому +7

    Would love to see how Laticrete's sealant holds up to your torture tests. Thanks, Isaac, for all you do to help us DIY'ers!

  • @patrickflanagan8008
    @patrickflanagan8008 11 місяців тому +2

    I have watched you for years on you tube, and remember when you began to get customers complaining of leaks in the shower. You did everything to the letter, and they still leaked.
    Your quest to solve this problem has succeeded, and for the determination you have shown to shine a light into the dark corners that manufacturers sometimes hide in, all tp make
    more profit. I salute you.
    if you were a resident of the UK, I would campaign for you to be Knighted. Well done Sir, and much respect.

  • @zimpler8340
    @zimpler8340 Рік тому +3

    I’ve renovated 12 bathrooms and used Redgard every time and no issues! And I’m still in contact with the owners and still work for them from time to time.

  • @Jutilaje
    @Jutilaje Рік тому +8

    This was one of the major reasons I went with Goboard in my shower - the ability to use silane-modified polymer sealants instead of thin set for all the seams, band, screw holes, etc, while retaining the warranty.

    • @charliegoetz248
      @charliegoetz248 6 місяців тому

      Did you use a sheet membrane with the Goboard?

    • @Jutilaje
      @Jutilaje 6 місяців тому

      @@charliegoetz248 no, just all the goboard specific stuff. Put the board up and put the goboard sealant between the seams of each board as instructed, and then used the goboard band over the seams and filled all the screws/washers with their sealant as well. The board itself has a waterproof membrane on it just like schlulter's Kerdiboard, so it's just the seams and screw holes that have to be waterproofed.

    • @charliegoetz248
      @charliegoetz248 6 місяців тому

      I like the idea of the modified polyethers. But I don't think the membrane suppliers will warranty a job using modified sylane instead of thinset. There doesn't seem to be enough data or long-term testing. I'd love to know if someone has done any long-term tests. Isaac, you mentioned a test shower pan in your video, but I am not sure I've seen the results. Are you still running the test you mentioned in the background? Noble EXT can be used as an adhesive for sheet membrane, but I don't know if it is a modified silane. It looks to be a VCT adhesive. Can anyone confirm? I also haven't found any modified silane available by the gallon bucket. Everything seems to be from a tube. Being able to trowel on a thin layer of modified silane as you would then set could be useful. That is, if it will last decades once cured.

  • @kevinchavira8411
    @kevinchavira8411 Рік тому +9

    Really cool test. In engineering school we used blue grid line paper for leak testing of models because a single drop of water will blot the blue lines and you can trace where the leak came from with visual clues of the severity. I use that trick to this day

  • @stanmanmedia
    @stanmanmedia Рік тому +1

    Dude, the more I watch your videos the more I appreciate you. I'm an old 64 year old guy who does work on bathrooms etc around houses I've owned. Being old school, I look at things differently. I mean they take this styrofoam type Kerdi board made of nothing but that and a membrane, so it's light and an attractive solution over the mess of concrete boards. Then they make one reinforce the shit out of it with all this thinset which is time consuming and messy work beyond what it first appears. So this sealant is a gem I think, the best of both worlds. Thanks very much for the great quality information you produce.

  • @rickdefalco1676
    @rickdefalco1676 Рік тому +3

    great news
    glad to see that you never rest when it comes to finding new and better ways to do our trade

  • @EdwardSandoval3
    @EdwardSandoval3 Рік тому +2

    Heck yeah it helps brother...I couldn't get Kerdi fix on a job we were doing...I stumbled onto the rapid set while at home depot. It seemed very good...now I'm stoked and nerves calm now that I know it was better than KF. Thanks Isaac

  • @thiccdaddyq1185
    @thiccdaddyq1185 Рік тому +4

    Definitely worth it, I always loose a day or 2 for when I flood test a bathroom, the fact that you can do it the same day makes it easy. Just need more of thease products in Australia 🇦🇺

  • @verifiedhandle9103
    @verifiedhandle9103 Рік тому +5

    ive been using goboard and a sika product for my baths and showers. no need for sheet membrane and have been very happy with results

    • @guyrandom7861
      @guyrandom7861 Рік тому +3

      He should do a GoBoard sealant(polyurethane) w sheet membrane test.

  • @vaughanyoung5050
    @vaughanyoung5050 Рік тому +5

    Love your story on this topic,as a master tile installer I am quite concerned about this problem.

  • @margaretbear
    @margaretbear Рік тому +9

    This info is gold, thank you so much!!

  • @TileProUSA
    @TileProUSA Рік тому +9

    Thank you very much for doing this, Isaac! Great information!

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому

      Your welcome!

    • @TileProUSA
      @TileProUSA Рік тому +1

      @TileCoach FYI, I have been using the RSS sealant to bond the RSS meshtape on most of my projects since 2021 ))) I have never specifically tested it except for a standard 1-day water test. Has never failed me, but I am glad we now have even better data with your 7-day testing🙏👍🤝

    • @EnriqueCubillo
      @EnriqueCubillo Рік тому

      @@TileCoach and the RSS sealant ? I'm just about to use it. perhaps I should test it.

  • @brianelsner4175
    @brianelsner4175 8 місяців тому

    What a time saver. Not only not having to mix mortar, clean up what’s left and waiting for it to cure but hardy any waste.

  • @jmlcolorado
    @jmlcolorado Рік тому +8

    I was literally JUST thinking about this today if I could find a sealant to use instead of thinset. This is a brilliant test and glad you took the time to do it! I’m very curious to see how your full size test goes, but if you’re using rapid flex, I suspect it’ll be sealed well with zero issues.

    • @bubunelu7027
      @bubunelu7027 9 місяців тому

      So, what he's saying here, is that instead of thinset he uses sealant ( for the Kerdi band and corner applications)?

  • @Liberty_DIY
    @Liberty_DIY Рік тому +1

    Why does this guy not have a million subscribers yet??????? His matter of fact, here is what it is approach deserves more than his current 229k subscribers. All of you 99% watchers but not yet subscribed, need to hook this guy up. At least share his videos on whatever social media platform you use.

  • @Mike-qn1zi
    @Mike-qn1zi Рік тому +6

    Now I'll have trouble sleeping at night thinking about all the showers that I have done following the Schluter Science. THANKS for the great exposure to true science!

    • @juniorprovencher6832
      @juniorprovencher6832 Рік тому +2

      Lets remember these systeme are not made for pools they are made for humid places only 👍

  • @jaysmoke3132
    @jaysmoke3132 Рік тому +2

    Well done young man. Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Great information from a great guy. Thanks.

  • @e4d578
    @e4d578 Рік тому +4

    One of the things to consider in testing is mechanical flexing. Sure the leak tests are great and important but the real test is to see if it can withstand normal mechanical load flexing and over time. No simulation is perfect but the tests should try to evaluate it if possible. E.g. some sealants cure hard but will leak as it cracks with load...

  • @napolitanotile2919
    @napolitanotile2919 Рік тому +1

    I USE THE KERDI SYSTEM COMPLETE,THEN I ROLL ON MY SP 5000 GREEN MEMBRANE,IT REALLY GIVES YOU A FAILPROOF SHOWER THATS WRAPPED LIKE A COMPLETE CONDOM UNOBSTRUCTED AND SEAMLESS!!! GREAT VIDEO

  • @wg1408
    @wg1408 8 місяців тому

    That rapid set stuff is beast. Sealed my whole driveway with it. Holds up to everything including pressure washing

  • @chrissaslow1865
    @chrissaslow1865 9 місяців тому +1

    Wow so visually telling. Thank you thank you thank you. This answered a question I have had for awhile about attaching membrane

  • @Archangel0804
    @Archangel0804 11 місяців тому +4

    Schluter themselves say that Kerdi fix is not a waterproof sealant if you go to their workshops and their website they are very clear that they will not warrantee it if used in a manner as you are demonstrating...so not sure what you are trying to prove here.
    You are 100% correct in saying that In Europe they do NOT allow the use of thinset to seal the membranes. With Schluter, they use Kerdi Col (NOT KERDIFIX) in Europe which works very well, however it is hard to get in the USA. I have had it direct shipped from the UK to the USA
    A better experiment would be to use Kerdi Col with the Kerdi Membrane since these two products are engineered to work together, rather than using something that Schluter ALREADY KNOWS, WILL NOT WORK.
    In either case it was an interesting test

    • @elyarsamadi
      @elyarsamadi 2 місяці тому

      I think I saw Kerdi mortars at Master Wholesale … So if this Kerdi Fix isn’t waterproof, why it’s sold for a waterproofing system?!!! What’s the use of it then?!

  • @totheknee
    @totheknee Рік тому

    Whenever I have a question like "I wonder if Rapidset sealant would work...", you already have a full video testing it. 😆 Thanks!

  • @Aepek
    @Aepek Рік тому +2

    Do think all caulk tubes need to come with nozzles that can be unscrewed and able to screw new nozzles on when needed, so wish every brand of caulk, sealant, adhesive, whatever is in a “caulk tube” has a screw on nozzle; as that would be so much better, and imo easier to store and keep.
    Thx for testing vid Isaac, always a pleasure to watch, and enjoy watching them, as really does help the community all way ‘round ✌🏻

    • @iOSAT
      @iOSAT Рік тому +1

      I use OSI Quad Max with Goboard primarily for this reason, silly as that sounds.

  • @scottvillalobos8453
    @scottvillalobos8453 Рік тому +24

    Back in the day (I’m talking 80’s/90’s/early 2000’s) it would cost roughly $150 for pan liner sand cement and lath for a shower. Prices stayed relatively stable. Now with all of these water proofing products out there is gone completely nuts. For a shower with a bench and a niche’ were talking $1484 for Schluter products not including thinset or kerdi fix, which apparently will fail anyway. (Thanks for that btw) In my 40 years of being in this buisness I’ve only seen showers fail for a few reasons. Most of which had to due with improper installation of the pan. (liner/drain/no pre-slope/nails below that dam/ or pan liner cut below that dam) If the walls are done correctly, paper backed lath, then there was never any water damage. The other reason shower fail is idiots who should not be doing tile. Then you’ve got builder grade tile installs over green board or drywall. Those usually last 10-30 years depending on amount of use. I’m not even going to touch on hot mops. I’ve never seen a shower fail above the dam. Water doesn’t sit on the walls for more then a few minutes. When originally released, untreated Hardi backer was displayed in a sealed jar of water. So in my experience all of this ridiculously price shower prep materials are just a way for coporations to stick their hands in your pockets. Your video here is proof of that. Keep up the good work.

    • @anonymouse7074
      @anonymouse7074 Рік тому +2

      Good points. Tile is all marketing by the companies now.

    • @aaronaldrich1546
      @aaronaldrich1546 Рік тому

      Thanks for confirming my suspicion. I too did tile 23 years ago and never used joint sealant. Those greedy bastids

    • @bojangles_bonjangles8000
      @bojangles_bonjangles8000 Рік тому

      @@joejoecolomboyeah I was thinking the same with hot mops! Not sure what’s wrong with them…I’m in San Diego, do you know who he uses?

    • @bojangles_bonjangles8000
      @bojangles_bonjangles8000 Рік тому

      Did my shower and bath 3 years ago and used the rapid set! Good to go!

    • @nateearle844
      @nateearle844 7 місяців тому

      @@bojangles_bonjangles8000 did you bond the membrane directly to cement board with the Rapid Set sealant? Pretty easy to do?

  • @brendantolman2607
    @brendantolman2607 Рік тому +2

    Should do a test with the sheet membrane wet/damp initially. Maybe these could be used for a temporary repair on a pan to get by before a full remodel or something similar

  • @zitobin1
    @zitobin1 Рік тому

    I love how your testing this stuff. Ive been building a good while and have noticed there is a lot of marketing around application methods and standing tests. Experience is the only real test today and i appreciate guys like you taking the time to do these tests so people like me dont have to waste time and money on inferior products and applications.

  • @aaronoconnor606
    @aaronoconnor606 Рік тому +3

    Would love to see you test laticrete sealant. It has better warranty then most brands

  • @patrickossowski5632
    @patrickossowski5632 Рік тому +1

    great test coach i have been using rapid set non sag for some time with stainless sinks inverted cast concrete, metal to different substrates never fails purchased your fx drain doing a 48x67 curbless shower now hydroban will be used not using kerdi fix keep up the good work thanks

  • @cnicfam5vids608
    @cnicfam5vids608 Рік тому +5

    This was awesome. I think the lower viscosity black one would provide an option to possibly spread with a roller, making it a little bit easier for DYIers to apply? Either way looks pretty easy to apply.

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +1

      I bet it would roll great.

  • @drcfungis2045
    @drcfungis2045 Рік тому +2

    It is all chemistry, rapid set and silka products work extremely well. We use this quite a bit at a large school district. Showers, flashing brick etc. You will be amazed at the water proofing and holding power and yes in the rain. Just read the back for temps. This is the only issue. Inside it is bombshell.

  • @tonystith2086
    @tonystith2086 Рік тому +1

    Anxious to see the outcome of the shower pan water test you are doing with sealant. I'm working on a shower remodel now and will definitely use sealant on the seams if your test confirms. I'm a weekend diy warrior on this project so have a few weeks before I get to that step.

  • @randalorian1468
    @randalorian1468 Рік тому +2

    Would love to see you redo the test but using Kerdi, with a full 2" lap around the cardboard.

  • @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
    @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Рік тому +7

    Not a surprise. Top contractors have been using STPE-based (moisture cured) liquid flashing sealants for years. I would never use thinset to seal anything. Virtually every major sealant manufacturer now makes STPE sealants.

    • @bashirmarkhamidi2259
      @bashirmarkhamidi2259 11 місяців тому

      @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb can you drop the names of some of the products you mention?

    • @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
      @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 11 місяців тому +1

      @@bashirmarkhamidi2259 Check out Henry Air-Bloc - is one of the best-value STPE-based sealants on the market and is widely available.
      There are many other STPE sealants available - a google search 'STPE sealant' will show plenty from just about every major sealant manufacturer. If you have a favorite maker, odds are they have an STPE-based sealant. Cheers

  • @ct9040
    @ct9040 День тому

    I used the rapid set non sag sealant for all of my seems and tape. 🤞🏼 hope it holds for the long run

  • @theadventuresofstevedefoss7940

    Thank you for your time and the material you used

  • @Imwright720
    @Imwright720 Рік тому +1

    When I did my last bathroom I used silicon. Works under water beautifully. Super strong grip and cures even when sealed in.

  • @460sw3
    @460sw3 Рік тому +17

    I'd be interested to see this test with the laticrete hydroban sealant and wedi sealant. This was a really neat test, maybe I'll try to duplicate it in my shop with the hydroban sealant

    • @BZ1340
      @BZ1340 Рік тому +3

      I agree and also the Prova sealant which is very popular here in Canada… Any thoughts on the toxicity of the sealants some are very powerful smell in homes where the clients are still occupying the homes. Ive chased a few out for the day and left the windows open to help dissipate the smells

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +2

      Please let me know the results...send them to tilecoach.com

    • @460sw3
      @460sw3 Рік тому +3

      @@TileCoach will do, just wanted to take a second and say thank you. I dont want to get all mushy here, but I was in a mental state where I was just about to give up on my dreams of being a GOOD tile contractor (problem is not alot of folks around here want to pay for "good" they want cheap) until I stumbled across one of your videos talking about how you literally stopped on the freeway to pick up a bucket because that was where you were in your life. Anyway...it ment something to me, thanks!

    • @sasmit09
      @sasmit09 Рік тому

      I was thinking the same thing. I’m a tile setter in the Northeast and Wedi is an extremely popular system around here (I install a hybrid system, wedi board on the walls where it offers waterproofing but also bomber adhesion and then a mud pan and sheet membrane on the floor with waterproofing band around the floor to wall joint). I’ve played around with using wedi sealant under the corner pieces and band, and have found it to be extremely waterproof BUT hard to spread given its thickness and, more importantly, suffering from poor adhesion to the band and, over time, even to the cement coating on the wedi board. The adhesion problem is one that im not sure would rear its head too often in real world circumstances, but it worries me nonetheless. In my mind thats the greatest flaw with wedi as a complete system. It’d be very interesting to test hydroban sealant against it for waterproofing the band, or even a lap sealant like Geocell.

  • @datdozier228
    @datdozier228 10 місяців тому +1

    Progress profiles has a system exactly like this with sealant in the USA. It uses sealant instead of thin set on the seams. Which honestly makes way more sense to me. Thin set is porous and wicks. Although 2” is a lot to wick, sealant makes way more sense

  • @jonatanbackstrom7219
    @jonatanbackstrom7219 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for making these videos and documenting your hunt for the perfect waterproofing.
    I put my money down on the black sealant the second i saw the viscosity of it!
    It´s the most similar to the one i use in Sweden. I use Kiilto keraseal and Kiilto membrane (Finnish brand) and have done so for the past 12 years. have never got a callback because of leaks.
    Keep up the hard work, love from Sweden!

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому

      Thank you. What do you think of using thinset to seal the seams?

    • @jonatanbackstrom7219
      @jonatanbackstrom7219 Рік тому

      @@TileCoach Thank you for taking the time to answer.
      I think thinset as a sealant is a joke tbh.
      First time i saw it in a video i could not believe that it was code or that a manufacturer would instruct to do that.
      I were especially surprised that a german brand such as schluter would do that. not code in Germany i believe.i
      I need to revise my comment a bit because we have used special seam adhesive for 8 -10 years, before that we used liquid weatherproofing as an adhesive for the membrane and glue for seams.
      Even the cheap DIY stuff from a budget build supplier have that in their own brand systems.

  • @joefowler3106
    @joefowler3106 Рік тому

    Love testing like this Issac! Reminds me of a Wedi steam shower I did, we used thinset for the membrane but had to use sealant for the 2" overlap or banding/corners. It totally makes sense because as we all know thinset isn't waterproof and will wick under membrane. 🤔

  • @jessepender5239
    @jessepender5239 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for doing these tests and posting the results!

  • @andrewschafer7790
    @andrewschafer7790 Рік тому +2

    Awesome testing you do! Great that you have taken the time to test out ideas and systems to put them through the paces. My question is why the hell hasn't kerdi come out with a sealant that does work for this application??

  • @doubledragon9530
    @doubledragon9530 Рік тому +6

    Have you tested Laticrete sealant? I've been wondering the same thing, given the limitations of thin set. I've wondered if something like Hydroban liquid membrane might actually be a better solution between the foam tray and the membrane. I know it would be waterproof, that's not at issue as long as it will cure. The problem is that I don't know how much the rigidity of the thin set might be part of the structure of the system especially around the drain given how thin the tray is right there. Have you considered that aspect?

  • @solswis
    @solswis Рік тому +1

    Thank you, thank you Isaac. I'm almost ready to build my dry-pack shower pan. The membrane corners and bands in the pan will be bonded with Rapid Set silane sealant, not thinset!

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому

      Let me know how it goes! tilecoach.com

    • @Simplygeko1
      @Simplygeko1 Рік тому +1

      Any update on using the rapid set sealant instead of thinset?

    • @solswis
      @solswis 9 місяців тому

      @@Simplygeko1 Sorry about the very late reply.
      24 hour flood test past without any issue and I finished the shower months ago. Where I saw a potential issue was with the Schluter "Kerdi-Kers", which tended to contract as the RapidSet cured, causing them to pucker creating a small ridge or high spot. I didn't have that problem with bands at the wall-floor junction or over the curb with Kerdi Membrane.

  • @hightide-mcknotts
    @hightide-mcknotts Рік тому

    Excellent Video and test! Thank you Issac - This is very Awesome to watch and to know what works and what doesn't!

  • @bradp5759
    @bradp5759 Рік тому +2

    I did a mock-up of a mortar bed in a cardboard box. Let that dry and applied hydroban sheet membrane, hydroban corners and ban using mutimax lite. Let that dry overnight. Filled with water and it never leaked. I let it set for 1 1/2 months. I got tired of looking at it and dumped the water out. I was satisfied with that system.

    • @bradp5759
      @bradp5759 Рік тому

      Also I forgot to say I appreciate your videos

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +3

      Thanks Brad and I am glad you are experimenting yourself! That is great info that you can share with your clients to give them confidence. I have only gone to 14 day on a glass box test, but I believe your results.
      One flaw in the cardboard experiment is that is is breathable so the moisture escaping evaporates before it wicks into the cardboard. A better test is a wood or drywall box to better simulate a shower build.

  • @jma4992
    @jma4992 Рік тому

    Amazing, thank you for your time and videos. You're actually saving everyone time, money,... Above all, blood/sweat/tears...

  • @kp2lok0
    @kp2lok0 Рік тому +2

    Try wedi sealant they have a special sealant for their membrane

  • @totheknee
    @totheknee Рік тому

    You just saved me $20 per tube. You deserve 20x more likes.

  • @sanjunacole3928
    @sanjunacole3928 Рік тому

    I'm a installer from Florida. I always have doubts in schluter products, even when you go 100% with manufacturer specifications. I would love to see some testing with the KBRS system.

  • @scoobtoober2975
    @scoobtoober2975 11 місяців тому

    Moisture curing compounds are super cool. Moisture curing paint started showing up for commercial work is far as i saw was in the mid 90's. Super expensive but super tough and heavy/dense. And if it rained on it that same day, no problem. Or damp wood, no problem

  • @mhalliar
    @mhalliar Рік тому

    Thanks for doing ALL your demos. So informative!

  • @JeremySpidle
    @JeremySpidle Рік тому

    Great tip on the Grime wipes, and amazing how little sealant mess ya made (phone notwithstanding). Thx!

  • @Aepek
    @Aepek Рік тому +2

    I have good success with pretty much all RapidSet products, they’re pretty good, imo, and not a bad price

  • @splanzza
    @splanzza Рік тому +2

    Great magnet pen/pencil holder at HD for about $3. Its called Quick Snap by MagnoGrip (yellow color) and cant miss it where tape measures and pencils are. I keep my sharpie and pencil at ALL times on my shirt collar. Life saver! If you decide to try it, don’t be lazy to wrap couple of rounds of electrical tape around part that goes into it. That way it wont slip out.

  • @jefffarago8282
    @jefffarago8282 2 місяці тому

    Thanks, I'm now using Rapid Set. I was thinking that perhaps the Kerdi-fix samples got water infiltration because it took longer to set up. In that case the water would have come in at the start of the submergence, whereas quicker setup products would have prevented the initial infiltration. A better approach might have been to allow the samples to all setup over maybe 24 hours and then submerge them. Perhaps they would all have come out dry?!?!?!?!

  • @stevenrobinson2964
    @stevenrobinson2964 Рік тому +1

    How does this make sense? If the sheet membranes work with thinset, why wouldnt it work with Kerdi Fix? Thinset isnt waterproof is it? It is my understanding that the sheet membranes work because the gap between the two layers are too small for the water to pass through. The sealant or thinset is just supposed to hold the two sheets together. Any thoughts?

  • @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver
    @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver Рік тому

    I’m planning to do a pond, would love to see how this turn out bro! You rock!

  • @vincentrao3610
    @vincentrao3610 Рік тому

    thank you for doing this. Great message at the end. keep it up and help create a complete waterproof shower system! I'm rooting for you and ill use whatever you come up with.

  • @roberts6236
    @roberts6236 Рік тому

    iv been doing tile for about 25 years, you wrapped a lot of things up with the simple saying, follow the money.

  • @matteberry58
    @matteberry58 Рік тому +1

    ❤. Well done Isaac! Can you share the details on the Rapid Set sealant you used? I wasn't surprised that the private label sealant didn't leak. The less viscosity the more complete penetration of the fleece. The extreme viscosity of the K Fix doesn't allow it seal the fleece fiber so water can literally wick through the fleece beneath the sealant and reach the paper strip. Has anyone released or discussed the future release of non thinset sealant to apply membrane?

  • @ajdonally1522
    @ajdonally1522 13 днів тому

    I don't recall Kerdi Claiming to be a sealant..only an adhesive. That being said I think the rubberized roll on waterproofing seems the way to go on a budget.
    I just tried Tec version ..similar to Redguard. I don't like it. I've put 3 coats on the wall and not happy ..it's too thin...it does dry quicker then Regulars..but the labour of having to put on 5 coats of it doesn't put me ahead in tine

  • @TheKitchenTechnician
    @TheKitchenTechnician Рік тому +3

    What about using a latex modifier exclusively instead of water when making your thinset. I know it’s expensive but could be the answer, assuming you haven’t tried that already. My guess is that if you looked at the applied thinset between two pieces of membrane under a microscope you would see tiny little channels where water is drawn along through the fibres of the membrane. When using a sealant maybe the fibres become completely saturated with the sealant. As another UA-camr predicted, the thinner black sealant would be the most successful due to its viscosity.

  • @dp9324
    @dp9324 Рік тому +2

    Isaac, i would be curious to know if you think Rapidset is strong enough to be used instead of thinset to bond Kerdi fabric to wallboard? Do you think it could hond the Kerdi loaded up with thinset and LFT without separating?

  • @Urban_Tarzan
    @Urban_Tarzan Рік тому +2

    I used the Hydroban system on my shower mainly because of all the failure videos of Schluter. I understand that those failures were because of user error for the most part but as a DIY'er I'm not using a product that has ZERO room for error....for example , you need 2" overlap , if you miss measure and have a spot that's 1 3/4" LEAK!!! But that's what you get when you use non waterproof products, such as thinset, to waterproof your shower.

  • @guyrandom7861
    @guyrandom7861 10 місяців тому

    I ❤ this video. I keep coming back to it for reference

  • @rickwells9929
    @rickwells9929 Рік тому

    I just love your videos, and I'm not even a tile guy.

  • @IamTheJesus69
    @IamTheJesus69 Рік тому

    You mentioned how well these sealants bond to wet thinset… on a related note, I spread bostik ultraset on the back of resin backed stone slabs when I need to bond them to thinset and it works really well

  • @Real_PK
    @Real_PK Рік тому

    I believe the flofx drain installation instructions say to put a bead of sealant around the drain and sheet membrane in addition to thinset. Now I know why.

  • @king4456
    @king4456 Рік тому

    I just sent this to my To prove it but schluter rep I can't wait to hear the response

  • @patrickstark4431
    @patrickstark4431 Рік тому

    Speaking the truth!! Strong word my friend!👏💪

  • @tonyp9609
    @tonyp9609 Рік тому

    Great video. Wish you included Latacrete sealant.

  • @HandyMumm
    @HandyMumm Рік тому +1

    Do you think Kerdie membrane will have the same effect as the one you used with these sealants? Can Kirdie overall be the weak link?

  • @mikaelil2316
    @mikaelil2316 Рік тому +1

    Nice video. Still confused on one thing. What’s the best sealant to use to attach the membrane onto cement board? Just use thin-set and the video you made is for membrane to membrane attachment only? Please advise. Thanks

  • @reconone3574
    @reconone3574 2 місяці тому

    So sounds like you would use the other two for the inside corners of a kerdi board custom made niche? Meaning, lay it out,cut, form and waterproof the inside corners with one of these in place of kerdi corners?

  • @theige01
    @theige01 11 місяців тому

    Wow. Thanks for the expert test

  • @resultivity
    @resultivity 4 місяці тому

    So would the RapidSet work with Kerdi membrane the same way? You mention that at the beginning, but did not test here. In your old test with a pocket made with KerdiFix leaking, you had non-kerdi membranes holding water ok (not 7 days tho).

  • @dustinkoehn6890
    @dustinkoehn6890 6 місяців тому

    Follow the science sounds strangely familiar. 🤔
    Thanks for what you do brother. I have definitely some things to consider. Kind of in a pickle now though.

  • @Mogman150
    @Mogman150 5 місяців тому

    Who made the black sealant (name/product)? Thanks for your great videos!

  • @manitobaoutdoors7705
    @manitobaoutdoors7705 Рік тому

    thank! I trust you more that the companies that make the products

  • @davidlaroche8928
    @davidlaroche8928 Рік тому

    Great demonstration and testing Thank you once again.
    I've search the channel and havent seen much Hydroblock testing. Maybe I'm blind , lol. My bad. I would think the Hydroblock sealant would have been a great product to be included in this test.
    Once again thank you for all your videos

  • @aaronaldrich1546
    @aaronaldrich1546 Рік тому

    Thank you for valuable information! Learning a lot

  • @joycestewart4893
    @joycestewart4893 Рік тому

    Brilliant. Could not agree more!!!

  • @kevinkolinen6181
    @kevinkolinen6181 Рік тому +6

    Letting the cat out of the bag. Thought I had a secret that no one knew…I love that rapid set silane sealant. And it’s half the price or less than the others.

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +1

      Great minds think alike!

  • @ThePawelekPawelek
    @ThePawelekPawelek Місяць тому

    Hey, what about polyurethane sealants? Are they appropriate for sheets overlaps?

  • @theo9976
    @theo9976 Рік тому +3

    Have you tried SikaFix Silane Modified Polymer? I’ve heard good things about the product and it’s cheaper that Kerdi Fix.

    • @FixthisCD
      @FixthisCD Рік тому +1

      I thought at first, Sika was going to be the mystery contender

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому

      I have heard good things about it. But have not tried it.

  • @valerieleveronicorral9467
    @valerieleveronicorral9467 9 місяців тому

    Them you for this insightful information. It would be helpful to show the product labels & name each product in the beginning and end of the video. I found the names in the transcript, tho. No problem.

  • @Mikepopo99
    @Mikepopo99 6 місяців тому +1

    Is there an update to this video?

  • @fnelsoninteg
    @fnelsoninteg Рік тому

    Love your videos! Keep it up!

  • @Aaron86v
    @Aaron86v Рік тому +3

    Glad to see one of the products i researched that could work for waterproofing actually passed the test!
    I spent a few days looking up every major sealant company, to see which sealants they had that could be used for sealing up showers. Read up and printed out all the data sheets. Also looked for things such as the sealants being paintable, so that it may be possible to work with liquid membranes.
    The Rapid Set Non-Sag sealant was one of them. It’s paintable in 1 hour and can be used up to 1in wide and 1/2in depth which is perfect for filling backer board seams/gaps.
    Here are the other products I came across that could potentially work as well. If you ever test more of them, you could try any of these.
    DAP dynaflex 800 Advanced, Optima White Lightning Premium Hybrid Sealant, Quikrete Advanced Polymer Non-Sag Sealant, Behr Total Flex, Behr WeatherStrong, Liquid Nails Fuze It, Liquid Nails Fuze It Max & OSI Quad Max

    • @thegreyzone
      @thegreyzone Рік тому

      Thank you for this post, massively beneficial. Did you happen to have DRYLOK's waterproof Masonry Caulk on your list? Thoughts?

  • @lordratner
    @lordratner 28 днів тому

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the second fluid (the grey one) you flipped the first membrane over but not the second, so in that test it's felt-to-felt instead of felt-to-plastic. That might give a different result, and isn't how the membrane are combined in an actual shower, right?

    • @Canadian_nomaD
      @Canadian_nomaD 23 дні тому +1

      Waterproof membranes have the felt on both sides

  • @scorpio6587
    @scorpio6587 Рік тому

    This is huge. Awesome.

  • @danpark417
    @danpark417 Рік тому +2

    This is the way

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Dan. I think so too. Already done this was in Europe, where the products were developed and designed.

  • @brianbacon3106
    @brianbacon3106 Місяць тому

    Issac was at the mud class is the Rapid Set Silicone base? Is the private label polyurethane based or silicone ?
    Great test shocking that Kerdi Fix at such a high price is not waterproof very informative test thank you

    • @TileCoach
      @TileCoach  Місяць тому

      Hey Brian it’s a Modified Silane Polymer Sealant.

    • @brianbacon3106
      @brianbacon3106 Місяць тому

      @@TileCoach thank you Issac I was in a small town in southern Utah doing an install on my way home and a local follower of yours pointed out that Rapid Set tested better than Kerdi Fix. But I didn’t look at the chemistry. I’m three weeks away from doing my first full mud float. Any suggestions on material? Since I can’t get the fat mud we used in class here in Kentucky/Tennessee.

  • @samuelhenton3258
    @samuelhenton3258 Рік тому

    Excellent video!