Rumplestiltskin has one of the best backstories in TV I've ever seen. Everything new we learn about his past just fits so perfectly with what we've learned about him and makes him much deeper and even more complex a character.
The fact that I felt like throwing up because of his screams, and the way I could sort of feel how much that hurt. Which just shows how great of an actor Robert Carlyle is
Robert Carlyle is the perfect role for Rumpelstiltskin! I just love his accent and his performance! He was trying to be a good father and being with his family he doesn't want to go to war!
Rumple sacrificed not only his leg but also his honor so that his son wouldn't grow up without father. That really takes some courage. And he was also honest with his wife, by admitting that he broke his leg himself, and not trying to blame someone else, even though she was so pissed off at him. So, where is the coward? I can't see any...
The word "coward" is his Achilles heel. If it weren't for that word, he would not have been "The Dark One". If people had not dubbed him a coward, he would not have made the choices he had made. When people tell you something enough, you may start believing it. Bravery and cowardice are extremely opinionated words.
The Takeda once called Nobunaga Oda a coward for using guns against the Takeda cavalry. Nobu had them shot again. Dark One? Hardly. I root for the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven.
He was AFRAID FOR HIS SON. Hell, if I learned that my son may grow up without me, I'd smash my leg too if that would mean he'd have me. And she did seem magical(hell she had eyes on her palms) so that would be a clue she's an actual seer. And there was a good chance he'd die. And Bae was actually born. He had every reason to do this. It isn't cowardice, more like intelligence.
"You did this because a /SEER/ told you to do it?" "You left me, let me go to jail, because /PINOCCHIO/ told you to?" Oh, Baelfire. You and your father are really travelling down the same road in a lot of ways. XD
You know lots of women and children pray to have a husband/father who would do that for them. Maybe not break your leg but willing to do anything for love and family.
Deserting a battle because a seer tells you that you might probably be killed by ogres is about as cowardly as wearing a heavy coat or even not going outside when the forecast calls for a blizzard. In other words, not cowardly at all. Honestly, there is no logical victory possible when using swords and catapults against enemies 10x your size. If anything, choosing to go into battle is not bravery but sheer stupidity. Now, if you have Gatling ballistas or Juggernauts, that would be different.
It is still cowardly. Even if everyone decided not to fight the ogres then what would happen? The Ogres would still take over their lands and kill it's people regardless if they fight or not. Can you imagine if all the ally soldiers retreated and turned their backs in the great world wars? Hitler was still planning to conquer Europe and he had not intention of stopping. If Rumple is not cowardly then he is certainly selfish as he found a way out of war while probably thousands of others died in place of him.
@Kyle Englot yea but some of tje soldiers had the dark one and he could have stopped the war like rumole did when he became the dark one so really. He isn't a coward. People just wanted kids to be killed
@@kyleenglot9184 Nazi Germany was like a bull in a bullfight. It already lost a lot of blood fighting in Russia. A lot of those deaths resulted from cold, not "noble combat". And let's not even start on using nukes on Japan. Spare me your stories of chivalry and valor. Wars are won by having the best tech (magic counts, apparently).
And Milah is very unfair for treating him that way, the guy SMASHED HIS OWN LEG so his son could grow up with a father. He did what every good father would've done. He chose his son above all else, including his honor. Milah should be proud of him for sacrificing as much as he did so his son could have a father.
Could you imagine what would have happened if everyone in the great world wars decided not to fight against the Germans who were trying to take over Europe and eventually the world? Sure I've heard of many soldiers injuring themselves to prevent going to war. It's the soldiers who fought with honour who get praised and maintain a legacy for their heroic deeds. Sure Rumple wanted to be with his family which is good on an individual level, but in times of war it's looked down on, considering millions of other men put their lives on the line to protect their families from the Ogre wars while a man took the cowardly way out in spite do the millions of people who sacrificed. So yes his community would forever brand him a traitor and coward and he would walk with that stigma for life, and his wife Milah would be subjected to this as well.
@@kyleenglot9184 But were the ogres really threatening his community? Or was the duke just fighting them for some other purpose? We never see any evidence of ogre attack in the village and the people int he village seem safe throughout the show. Did the ogres attack one of the duke's allies that he is in a military treaty with? Did the duke attack the ogres first to get more land or resources? That is an interesting question. They never really get into that. Whether not it was a just war or not, it seems that the people dying in it are only peasants, not people from all tiers of society.
The seer cheated! She said his actions *on the battlefield* tomorrow would leave his son fatherless, but when Rumple broke his foot he wasn't on the battlefield!
+Denise Dixon I haven't seen it yet. Anyway, temporarily. Probably there are some kind of limits which will be explained later. Or he just used to limp. Or a kind of self-punishment for his son's fate.
The seer didn't manipulate him, it was fate. You might not even imagine this, but without to seer herself, there wouldn't really be a show. Rumple had to do this to take care of his son, to become the dark one, to train Regina in to becoming The Evil Queen who broke the land. Without him and convincing Regina to unleash the curse, Storybrooke and many things would not have happened. If Rumple hadn't made Cora corrupted, Gina wouldn't have a secret love with Daniel and saved Snow. Snow would die.
I think Rumple has a huge capacity to love. Belle, Bae and even Milah once. But the question is, is he willing to give up power for love? Perhaps that's the dark one's undoing but not Rumple/Mr Gold. The Seer is a bitch for semantics so she might be doing it yet again.
Shelby Dickson He went with Rumple to Neverland and wanted to fly with pixie dust. In order for it to work he need youth, and to turn young again, he let go of the only one reminding him of his manhood and responsibilities, Rumple. He then turned young, and took on the name of Rumple's doll that he dropped before he was let go, Peter Pan.
lol rumple is there is something i learned is that destiny cannot be avoided. The seer was speaking in riddles and let him fall into a trap, only a wise person will or refuse this knowledge or use it to make decisions but to know what the future may hold is dangerous and never ever an advantage.
Rumple was not a coward here. He broke his foot not because he was afraid, but because he wanted to go back to his family. If you want to talk about real cowardice, look at Paris from the Illiad.
That is cowardly though... He was thinking of himself only. Can you imagine if every soldier did the same? The Ogres would have still invaded and kill the people on the land regardless. If you have an enemy you don't just let them take over or you will be killed anyway. Imagine if soldiers in the great world wars did nothing and let Germany invade all of Europe and possibly the world if they had not been fought against?
@@kyleenglot9184 If your power and tech just objectively suck, then yes, run. Using a sword against bombs isn't courage, it's idiocy: ua-cam.com/video/CIqTCc9XFNw/v-deo.html Better to live as a coward than die as an imbecile.
Being his "undoing" doesn't necessarily mean Henry could be lead to his death. That phrase has several meanings, including Henry could break Rumple's curse of being the dark one (remember true love breaks any curse) or Henry could be Rumple's reason for giving up magic.
Yes! I hated how they went with that in the show. I always thought that "be his undoing" could just mean make him lose his Dark One powers, which I think would have been okay. He could still have all his knowledge of magic, even without the ability to use it the same way. It would have been good for the character.
i don't know what to think about everything but i'm sure of one thing. Rumple was trying to be the best father he could be for his son until he meet the dark one.......
Would Rumple have really died on the battlefield? What the seer said was kind of cryptic. She did not say rumple was going to die, she just said his actions on the battlefield would leave his son fatherless. Really that could have gone both ways, where rumple dies while fighting or what really happened, injuring himself to be with his family but then continuously be shunned by those he loves. Also Rumple could have stayed on the battlefield and came home a hero (although there would have been no Once Upon a Time if that Happened).
In the first episode if the 6th season, a former oracle said "you can change the path to a destination, but the destination is always the same." no matter what, one way or another Baelfire would've been fatherless be it Rumple died in battle, or he did what he did as the dark one
Smashing a leg or fighting honourably with the possibility of sacrificing your life to protect your family and your community? It was cowardly because millions of other men risked their lives despite the odds while Rumple tried to find a way out of it. As viewers we see that there's more to it, but from the villagers point of view he was a traitor.
@@kyleenglot9184 That's like a soldier shooting themselves in the leg just to be discharged from serving in the military pretty much a one way ticket to a dishonorable discharge when the truth comes out.
But Cora made Snow's horse run wild, but she never would have become evil if Rumple never became the dark one, but if he never did Regina wouldn't have become evil and Snow wouldn't have to run away from her and she never would have stolen Charming's mother's ring and the two never would have met
that was the point. he always was going to leave Bae. if he had died on the battlefield, a whole lot of horror would be avoided however and the Seer knew this. it was always just a trick to ensure that history played out the way it was supposed to. in a twisted way, Rumple has to become the Dark One or they're all screwed later on once his big bad mom comes back
Rumplestiltskin has one of the best backstories in TV I've ever seen. Everything new we learn about his past just fits so perfectly with what we've learned about him and makes him much deeper and even more complex a character.
***** I AGREE with u there!
hell yeah!! Best character on Once!
he's not a coward, it took some stones to smash his own foot like that, damn
THANK YOU SOMEONE SEES THAT!
The fact that I felt like throwing up because of his screams, and the way I could sort of feel how much that hurt. Which just shows how great of an actor Robert Carlyle is
I love the way Rumple shouts, "A STRONG name!"
I wonder if before this scene, one of the producers said to Rumpel "Break a leg."
Robert Carlyle is the perfect role for Rumpelstiltskin! I just love his accent and his performance! He was trying to be a good father and being with his family he doesn't want to go to war!
That hand chick scared the shit out of me when I first watched this episode
Me too. Everytime I watch this now, which is rare, I have to cover my eyes. The eyes on her hands just freak me out.
same
She didn't really scare me. More like intrigued me, and maybe trouble me a little, but never scared me.
how did they even make that happen?
Rumple sacrificed not only his leg but also his honor so that his son wouldn't grow up without father. That really takes some courage. And he was also honest with his wife, by admitting that he broke his leg himself, and not trying to blame someone else, even though she was so pissed off at him. So, where is the coward? I can't see any...
All I see is a brave man who couldn't leave his family behind
The word "coward" is his Achilles heel. If it weren't for that word, he would not have been "The Dark One". If people had not dubbed him a coward, he would not have made the choices he had made. When people tell you something enough, you may start believing it. Bravery and cowardice are extremely opinionated words.
The Takeda once called Nobunaga Oda a coward for using guns against the Takeda cavalry. Nobu had them shot again. Dark One? Hardly. I root for the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven.
So he wasn't really a coward. He just didn't want his his son to be fatherless . I think hat is brave. :)
In a way, it was perversely brave of him to cripple himself so he could leave the army and be with his family. I see nothing cowardly about that.
He was AFRAID FOR HIS SON. Hell, if I learned that my son may grow up without me, I'd smash my leg too if that would mean he'd have me. And she did seem magical(hell she had eyes on her palms) so that would be a clue she's an actual seer. And there was a good chance he'd die. And Bae was actually born. He had every reason to do this. It isn't cowardice, more like intelligence.
Thank you!!!
There is no lie here
"You did this because a /SEER/ told you to do it?"
"You left me, let me go to jail, because /PINOCCHIO/ told you to?"
Oh, Baelfire. You and your father are really travelling down the same road in a lot of ways. XD
You know lots of women and children pray to have a husband/father who would do that for them. Maybe not break your leg but willing to do anything for love and family.
Yes, he indeed did. As Charming said, sometimes being a hero is knowing when not to run into the fire.
he does so well with slowing his accent down too! I had a hard time understanding him in commentary. :)
Me either. I think he showed more inner strength than anyone else
Deserting a battle because a seer tells you that you might probably be killed by ogres is about as cowardly as wearing a heavy coat or even not going outside when the forecast calls for a blizzard. In other words, not cowardly at all. Honestly, there is no logical victory possible when using swords and catapults against enemies 10x your size. If anything, choosing to go into battle is not bravery but sheer stupidity. Now, if you have Gatling ballistas or Juggernauts, that would be different.
It is still cowardly. Even if everyone decided not to fight the ogres then what would happen? The Ogres would still take over their lands and kill it's people regardless if they fight or not. Can you imagine if all the ally soldiers retreated and turned their backs in the great world wars? Hitler was still planning to conquer Europe and he had not intention of stopping. If Rumple is not cowardly then he is certainly selfish as he found a way out of war while probably thousands of others died in place of him.
@@kyleenglot9184 bro. Shut up.
@Kyle Englot yea but some of tje soldiers had the dark one and he could have stopped the war like rumole did when he became the dark one so really. He isn't a coward. People just wanted kids to be killed
@@kyleenglot9184 Nazi Germany was like a bull in a bullfight. It already lost a lot of blood fighting in Russia. A lot of those deaths resulted from cold, not "noble combat". And let's not even start on using nukes on Japan. Spare me your stories of chivalry and valor. Wars are won by having the best tech (magic counts, apparently).
And Milah is very unfair for treating him that way, the guy SMASHED HIS OWN LEG so his son could grow up with a father. He did what every good father would've done. He chose his son above all else, including his honor.
Milah should be proud of him for sacrificing as much as he did so his son could have a father.
Could you imagine what would have happened if everyone in the great world wars decided not to fight against the Germans who were trying to take over Europe and eventually the world? Sure I've heard of many soldiers injuring themselves to prevent going to war. It's the soldiers who fought with honour who get praised and maintain a legacy for their heroic deeds. Sure Rumple wanted to be with his family which is good on an individual level, but in times of war it's looked down on, considering millions of other men put their lives on the line to protect their families from the Ogre wars while a man took the cowardly way out in spite do the millions of people who sacrificed. So yes his community would forever brand him a traitor and coward and he would walk with that stigma for life, and his wife Milah would be subjected to this as well.
@@kyleenglot9184 But were the ogres really threatening his community? Or was the duke just fighting them for some other purpose? We never see any evidence of ogre attack in the village and the people int he village seem safe throughout the show. Did the ogres attack one of the duke's allies that he is in a military treaty with? Did the duke attack the ogres first to get more land or resources? That is an interesting question. They never really get into that. Whether not it was a just war or not, it seems that the people dying in it are only peasants, not people from all tiers of society.
This man needs hugs and a lot of therapy
The seer cheated! She said his actions *on the battlefield* tomorrow would leave his son fatherless, but when Rumple broke his foot he wasn't on the battlefield!
Why didn't Rumple heal his foot when he became the Dark One with infinite power? He's healed himself & others like Belle, but never his foot.
+Denise Dixon he healed his foot in his world. Probably, he just can't heal an old injury in our world?
+Lana Lanina But Hook temporarily healed Rumple's foot when he was the Dark One before they had their second sword fight on the Jolly Roger.
+Denise Dixon I haven't seen it yet. Anyway, temporarily. Probably there are some kind of limits which will be explained later. Or he just used to limp. Or a kind of self-punishment for his son's fate.
+Lana Lanina You haven't seen OUaT 5x10?
+Denise Dixon no, but you can tell me any spoilers)
Exactly my thoughts. People really should think twice before using those words. Because they may come with a price...
The seer didn't manipulate him, it was fate. You might not even imagine this, but without to seer herself, there wouldn't really be a show.
Rumple had to do this to take care of his son, to become the dark one, to train Regina in to becoming The Evil Queen who broke the land. Without him and convincing Regina to unleash the curse, Storybrooke and many things would not have happened. If Rumple hadn't made Cora corrupted, Gina wouldn't have a secret love with Daniel and saved Snow. Snow would die.
OH MY GOD! Poor rumple can't she understand that he would have died if he didn't do it 😢
I think Rumple has a huge capacity to love. Belle, Bae and even Milah once. But the question is, is he willing to give up power for love? Perhaps that's the dark one's undoing but not Rumple/Mr Gold. The Seer is a bitch for semantics so she might be doing it yet again.
Rumple was always the strongest ever
Screw Milah.
Wow! In two simple scenes Robert Carlyle just outstaged everybody else's performance in both seasons combined.
Well umm... he still abandoned his son but at least he came back for him! What happened with Rumple's father...?
Shelby Dickson He went with Rumple to Neverland and wanted to fly with pixie dust. In order for it to work he need youth, and to turn young again, he let go of the only one reminding him of his manhood and responsibilities, Rumple. He then turned young, and took on the name of Rumple's doll that he dropped before he was let go, Peter Pan.
lol rumple is there is something i learned is that destiny cannot be avoided.
The seer was speaking in riddles and let him fall into a trap, only a wise person will or refuse this knowledge or use it to make decisions but to know what the future may hold is dangerous and never ever an advantage.
Rumple was not a coward here. He broke his foot not because he was afraid, but because he wanted to go back to his family. If you want to talk about real cowardice, look at Paris from the Illiad.
That is cowardly though... He was thinking of himself only. Can you imagine if every soldier did the same? The Ogres would have still invaded and kill the people on the land regardless. If you have an enemy you don't just let them take over or you will be killed anyway. Imagine if soldiers in the great world wars did nothing and let Germany invade all of Europe and possibly the world if they had not been fought against?
I can see both perspectives honesty.
@@kyleenglot9184 If your power and tech just objectively suck, then yes, run. Using a sword against bombs isn't courage, it's idiocy: ua-cam.com/video/CIqTCc9XFNw/v-deo.html Better to live as a coward than die as an imbecile.
Neither he nor Milah handled this all that well.
Being his "undoing" doesn't necessarily mean Henry could be lead to his death. That phrase has several meanings, including Henry could break Rumple's curse of being the dark one (remember true love breaks any curse) or Henry could be Rumple's reason for giving up magic.
Yes! I hated how they went with that in the show. I always thought that "be his undoing" could just mean make him lose his Dark One powers, which I think would have been okay. He could still have all his knowledge of magic, even without the ability to use it the same way. It would have been good for the character.
SHIT ! now I feel sorry for him ! :(
Literal crippling anxiety.
i don't know what to think about everything but i'm sure of one thing. Rumple was trying to be the best father he could be for his son until he meet the dark one.......
Would Rumple have really died on the battlefield? What the seer said was kind of cryptic. She did not say rumple was going to die, she just said his actions on the battlefield would leave his son fatherless. Really that could have gone both ways, where rumple dies while fighting or what really happened, injuring himself to be with his family but then continuously be shunned by those he loves. Also Rumple could have stayed on the battlefield and came home a hero (although there would have been no Once Upon a Time if that Happened).
What the Seer says always comes true. Rumple hurting himself left his son fatherless because he became a coward and less of a man by doing so.
In the first episode if the 6th season, a former oracle said "you can change the path to a destination, but the destination is always the same." no matter what, one way or another Baelfire would've been fatherless be it Rumple died in battle, or he did what he did as the dark one
1:14 1:15 LOL
Whenever Rumpelstiltskin screams even since 28 Weeks Later
I don't care what anyone sees, a guy has to have a lot of guts to smash his own leg.
Rumple is NOT a coward. At least not here.
Smashing a leg or fighting honourably with the possibility of sacrificing your life to protect your family and your community? It was cowardly because millions of other men risked their lives despite the odds while Rumple tried to find a way out of it. As viewers we see that there's more to it, but from the villagers point of view he was a traitor.
@@kyleenglot9184 That's like a soldier shooting themselves in the leg just to be discharged from serving in the military pretty much a one way ticket to a dishonorable discharge when the truth comes out.
@@kyleenglot9184 No, the other soldiers can't "view" anything because they're dead. Community? What's that? ua-cam.com/video/NLDCzuSexnE/v-deo.html
Okay, that would be EPIC.
But Cora made Snow's horse run wild, but she never would have become evil if Rumple never became the dark one, but if he never did Regina wouldn't have become evil and Snow wouldn't have to run away from her and she never would have stolen Charming's mother's ring and the two never would have met
Great thinking, and thank you for correcting my comment. But in both mine an your theory, either way, there wouldn't really be a show.
And yep.
I have also noticed all this parallels It's kinda funny :)
Rumple Loved... meaning his heart was with his wife and child.
Good predictions :)
I hope it will be the one where Rumple will give up his magic :)
it looks painful
The girl didn't really scare me. More like intrigued me, and maybe trouble me a little, but never scared me.
In a way he left his son fatherless anyway. It didn't matter what choice he made.
that was the point. he always was going to leave Bae. if he had died on the battlefield, a whole lot of horror would be avoided however and the Seer knew this. it was always just a trick to ensure that history played out the way it was supposed to. in a twisted way, Rumple has to become the Dark One or they're all screwed later on once his big bad mom comes back
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Then he would have died earlier, rather than later. Better to live longer.
Henry's going next :)
I think Rumples father is Peter Pan.....
sparrowsxxswann Good job, seer.
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GOD THAT MADE ME CRINGE WHEN HE HIT HIS LEG!!!! DX
I hate Milah. She is the meanest character in ouat. And I hate how she behaves as if she is good...:(