Underoath - Underoath's Three Thoughts on Christianity
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Underoath - Three Thoughts on Christianity
For more than 15 years Underoath has been sharpening its fierce eloquence when it comes to pounding out the Christian-slanted hard rock that has earned the band a glowing global rep. Blending post-hardcore and heavy metal with a decent dose of screamo, the Tampa outfit featuring Aaron Gillespie and Spencer Chamberlain has moved from blustery broadsides like “I’ve Got Ten Friends and a Crowbar That Says You Ain’t Gonna Do Jack” to refined explosions such as those that dot their first disc in eight years, ‘Erase Me.’ The album hits hard. From “Bloodlust” to “I Gave Up” the band rails through a storm of sound. But that sound is no-longer associated with overt Christian perspectives. Chamberlain has told the press that they “couldn’t grow musically” under that banner, and once they let it go they “became healthy, happy....and were able to create again.” Our ‘Three Thoughts’ interview finds them amplifying that notion, with the guys questioning recent actions in the name of Christianity. “When you believe in the rules and not the reason [behind them], then you got an issue,” says Gillespie. Watch them shoot from the hip about the act of speaking truth to power.
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I have the opposite experience when I went through depression and suicidal thoughts. No one else helped me except my brothers and sisters in Christ. No one else prayed for me or called me or brought me food. But above all that the Lord just spoke to me through His Word. He was my ultimate source of comfort and peace. I learned a long time ago that you’ll never find a perfect church with perfect people, and certainly not with me in it.
@Vegan Higler Try him some day. I left God 8 years ago but I came back. Ultimately it's you that has to do the work to become a better version of yourself, but I do feel like God has helped me.
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Underoath is so talemtee
He said through his word. Not audibly.
@veganhigler6541 you're not understanding, or just being ignorant.
Doesn’t sound like they’ve turned their backs on God, just religion. Jesus opposed the system and challenged religious leaders resulting in his murder. Don’t get why people cant see whats right in front of them.
EXACTLY
I agree!
Ive been unreligious since I was 13, it hurts to see them take so long to see what I seen as a kid.. I'm homeless and hopeless but I still have faith in myself, if the creator or creators help me along the way, I'm open.. but I don't believe religion is a good thing for anyone..
It's all in the same: God, Family, Church. Turning your back on one is the same as God & The Bible says a startling thing about a lukewarm faith: It tells us that God detests it. He even warns, “So, because you are lukewarm - neither hot nor cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (Revelation 3:16). Does that sound harsh? It may at first - but remember: Jesus Christ left the glory of heaven and willingly shed His blood on the cross for us. He loves us that much! How can we remain indifferent to Him?
If this describes you, don’t despair. God wants to forgive you and draw you closer to Himself - and He will, as you repent of your sin and commit yourself without reserve to Christ. Begin a new journey with Christ today. Then get in a church where Christ is preached and lived, so you can continue to grow in your faith. You’ll never regret it.
@@jacobslaughter5092 it hurts that you've been fooled by other's or even hurt. I'm sorry that you are blind.
It's very unfortunate that you guys have had such a negative experience with Christian community. This is why I get upset with some Christians in America. I've been a Christian for about 10 years and have seen how people who claim to be followers of Christ isolate themselves from people who they consider to be "sinners" That is such bullshit. When we look at the life of Christ, he wasn't hanging out with people who thought they were righteous but with the prostitutes, tax collectors, and people in poverty. I have had the privilege to be around an awesome Christian community for a number of years. I've seen the ways that people can be honest about their lives and be accepted with open arms. I pray that God will be placing genuine Christian's in your life. I think a good verse is Romans 15:7 "Therefore, accept each other just as Christ has accepted you so that God will be given glory." Thank you for your honesty!
Yero N'diaye Your not alone in how you feel 🌻
Aaron is still somewhat Christian. He has stated on the Bad Christian podcast that he still prays and that he still believes in God, but it's more of a personal spirituality, and by definition agnostic, since he doesn't know that there is a God. Spencer is agnostic. One of the other guys is Christian, while another is an atheist. The rest are also agnostic.
Honestly, I see both sides of the argument. I think that Christianity as a modern religion is just spiritual materialism. If some movement catches on, there's at least ten books on Christianity with themes borrowed from that movement. If there's an app on meditation and mindfulness, there's an app where you basically contemplate scriptures with the sounds of rain or something else that you can find on a meditation app. I don't think this is a bad thing, but it just seems to me that Christianity is trying to keep up with the many fads and other odd things in the secular world, but it just seems insincere and ultimately contradictory in the end.
I don't hate religion or Christians. I tried to see if I could be a Christian, but I just don't buy all the supernatural and theistic stuff. I have looked at other religions as well, and I think that it's better for me to be a secular Humanist of sorts. I think of what would best best for me, and that's to be as good a person as I can be. I love people, animals, and this planet we all call home. The only way we can solve our problems is by cutting all the crap and banding together, rather than doing all this set trippin' that we're currently doing.
@@dustinjackson4761 Dustin Jackson They may have given up on a religion but like the prodigal son, God will never give up on them!♡
2 Peter 3:9
'he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.'
Unfortunately bad company corrupts good morals. 1 Corinthians 15:33
@@soulheights823 I really like how you only read maybe one or two sentences in my comment, and then replied by proselytizing.
American / western organized Christianity is no no more Christian than Catholicism or any other denomination! It's so man made and legalistic to a fault! The church has become like a corporation and if you don't walk the company line your out!
I hope these guys have not lost their faith! The church is not Jesus and it is not where Jesus lives! He is inside his children's hearts and no building or organization can define him!
I empathize with Spencer's frustrations, but I'm tired of people equating modern day American Christianity with Christianity itself.
It's not the timechange that makes religion good or bad, it's the mindset you need to have to be religious which makes it bad overall. Sure it can be great for some people and did good things, overall in a modern society like you said, religion is pretty backwards thinking and not really being progressive at all. Modern times need modern way of living, a 2000 years old book on morals doesn't really work imo.
@@Th3Snipe I'd be curious to hear what mindset you think religious people all have. Have you read solid Christian thinkers like CS Lewis or Dostoevsky? I would argue that not all "progress" actually moves us towards where we need to be. If Jesus was the son of God, then there's nowhere to progress from him in terms of one upping him in some way. The progress that matters most is moral progress, and since we all have evil in our hearts, there's plenty of journeying to do.
@@AJ-me1dg I'm sorry but you're misunderstanding me because of my lack of knowledge of the english language to express myself correctly. I never meant all religous people have the same mindset.
What I'm trying to say is I think it's wrong to teach kids about god at such a young age. You don't let kids study quantum mechanics so why tell them everything we see and know and do is made and done by some sort of greater entity. Let someone figure out life how they want to instead of teaching them about some greater thing that controls their life in which case they're less likele to think about things themselves.
Science rarely came from deeply religious people because people who fill the unanswered question with god are not the ones looking for actual answers if you know what I'm trying to say.
Alot of horrible things happen due to religion because it's being thaught wrong to some, like in extremists ways. That's what I think is wrong with relgion, extreme believes ruin certain potentials.
TL;dr: I love everyone no matter what the believe in and I never meant to disrespect. All I'm saying is start teaching people about religion when they have a fully developed brain to comprehend the things religion tries to teach so anyone can make a fair choice in if they want to believe or not.
@@Th3Snipe Oh no problem! I couldn't even tell English was not your first language. I'm sure your English is better than my (whatever language you speak). For me the frustrating thing is that a lot of people attack religion, but what they don't realize is they are attacking a certain type of religion. For example, you said science rarely came from deeply religious people. What about people like Georges Lemaître? He's the guy who came up with the big bang theory, and he was a Catholic Priest. But I do know what you mean. There are A LOT of stupid religious people. All I'm saying is there are also a lot of smart ones too.
I dont know what Believers he talked to, cause real true believers are not the way they are saying... but man... I really wish I could talk to them.
"Good God, can you still get us home?"
STILL GET US HOOOOOOOOOOME!!!!
He will still.
it's their lyric
FF: ParadQX amen
@@dantebarreau8320 Yes, of you call out his Name and belive him.
“Belief isn’t the prison, expectation is the prison”. Honestly some very powerful points they made, much respect
Yep, and I completely agree. It may not always seem like it, and it may be hard for some to understand, but other people's expectations of you can really lead you into a dark place if you don't balance the things that are truly important to you. In the context of Christianity, it seems like people expect perfection of you or they expect you to follow all the rules, question nothing, and uphold this image of being a good Christian. It's a lot to deal with, especially if you're already having a rough time and all you hear are people telling you what they think you did wrong. Even if it comes from a good place, it makes you feel like they don't actually care about you and that they'd rather focus on your wrongdoings and failures.
Organized religion in general tends be guilty of that, and it turns people away, even when it's not necessarily the belief itself that's wrong. It's some of the people around you and how they choose to apply their beliefs to themselves and others.
"They are only chasing safety"
Luca Breeze Nice
Luca Breeze damn...
Bravo sir
Luca Breeze act of depression
I die for my god if i have to remember promise new earth
"Some will seek forgiveness,others escape"
No one can escape either we seek forgiveness or God says have your way and we suffer in our own decisions
You're implying that a drug addict owes the church community an apology and you sound stupid
"Hey unloving, i will love you"
those lyrics they wrote themselves failed to materialize in the real world for them. i was a newborn christian in 10th grade over ten years ago thanks to Underoath. Then over time, i developed a distaste for how inconsistent the church was. So many denominations, so many different outlooks and mindsets. It became redundant to me. I was a methodist, then go to a baptist church and they felt more free, then attended a southern baptist (yes its different) and felt negative messages from the pastor.
christianity is a mess and i couldn't stay true. if i were to label myself, its agnostic. id one hundred percent love to devote myself to a creator, but its impossible if you aren't someone thats good enough and visually different as the general populus of christians are very judgemental. "general" is the majority. i lucked out during high school going to a backroads church where everyone were just farmers and joke cracking tobacco smokers, they loved us new kids coming in to church sunday wearing black. go to a church where the population isnt just 34 people and over 340, thats when you start realizing how judgemental and horrible the christian community is as a whole.
@@phylazen5649 I actually used to go to church with Aaron Gillespie, (Primarily his wife and son Joel, who was just a baby at the time, which they attended every Sunday.) It was a really nonjudgmental, young hipster church. Aaron's wife worked at Starbucks at the time, she would bring the steel coffee machines over and let everyone enjoy it, back then. Church was held in the little New Port Richey's (A small town on the west coast of Florida, about 45 minutes north west of Tampa...) Seacoast theatre, built in the 1930s, I believe. Maybe even 20s.
Funny enough, I've never seen Aaron drum live or UO, but was drumming for the church and you know what that means, ;)
Yes, Aaron's seen me drum live, but I've yet to ever witnessed the legend himself perform live and in person.
Hope your morning goes well! Enjoy the breeze!
@@phylazen5649 well, Christianity is a mess but so is everyone else in the world including you. I bet you didn't go feed the needy today or help someone out for free because you're fucked up too! Just like all of us! With that being said, shut the Fook up!
"When you believe in the rules and not the reason, then you got an issue." aaronrgillespie hit it spot on.
Spencer said what everyone of faith has seen at some point in their lives, judgmental people of faith speaking out against fellow people of faith. God doesn't ask you to vilify your brothers and sisters in Christ, he teaches us to love, accept, and care for them, and when you don't do that, you're apart of the problem....
Rudy Soliz nice said, amazing quote
Where did Jesus say to “love accept and care for others”? I agree we should love others, but the Bible defines that as telling them the truth regardless of the consequences. Which is exactly what we see the martyrs of the faith doing and being killed for.
I can give you chapter and verse for where Jesus actually said multiple times to judge, just not by appearance or hypocritically. Matthew 7:1-7 and John chapter 8. This “don’t judge, just accept everyone” Christianity isn’t biblical. Sorry, it’s just not. That is indeed Americanized, 21st century nonsense. Jesus sure won’t be doing that when He sends people into outer darkness. Don’t be a hypocrite is the exclusion. If you’re a drunkard you need to repent and not be trying to call someone else out. But if you aren’t a drunkard, you have every right as a Christian to hold your brother/sister accountable if they’ve fallen into drunkenness. Sounds to me like these Underoath dudes didn’t like that and/or experienced hypocrites so they are using that as an excuse to be their own gods...
Rudy Soliz Christians in his life may have dropped the ball on them but that's still not a reason to believe God doesn't exist. Men are always going to be flawed.
@@middleclass3224 you didn't have a sin don't you? so you can throw stone on women convicted in adultery?
But he also teaches us about humanity and how stupid we can be without each other, Spenc Knows God but is following his own mindset. It's up to him but sad to see when people know God and still walk away.
I’d love to see these guys sit down with Head from Korn and just chat. See them talk about overcoming drug use, and moving forward in life. That would be an amazing conversation to watch!
The people in the comments are mostly proving their point. I’m not Christian at all, but respect to the ones who didn’t just go an judge them.
Bro. That’s what I’m saying. These comments are the exact same shit they’re talking about and all these Christians are too blind to realize it. It kills me.
Braden Groundwater
And what exactly is your definition of “judgement”?
Mahou Shoujo
Eh, sounds like a victim mentality to me. He lost his faith based on how people treated him. He has more trust in people than he does God.
Drew Kocak
How are we “too blind?”
I feel like you're a little out of the loop. Don't you know how Underoath got to where they are today? What about who got them there? I hope a little context will provide some clarity to you.
My hearts breaks to hear their experience about Christianity. As a believer, I’m sorry this happened to you. We have failed people and God in so many ways. Much love to you both 🤍
Yeah the modern church is stupid. I'm a believer but I'm losing faith in the church. I'm not a believer in the sense I'm SUPER religious but. I feel sometimes just so Christianity has the chance to get back to where it used to be I need to start a church. I've always been told that I need to be a pastor and I just don't want to because that position just isn't for me. I would though run a church and maybe preach until I find the right guy to take it over.
You are so dense. There is no god you religious freak
They’re putting into words the very frustration I’ve had with the Christian church for the last couple years, and I remember listening to their music as a teenager and assuming they had their spiritual lives down pat, it’s actually a bit of a relief to see them be real and honest about modern Christian culture and its pitfalls of ‘perfection’
American Christianity is a deeply flawed system. It has become less about the purity of doctrine and more about selling a product or idea and it has gone so far away from what the truth of scripture actually teaches. If you get enough people into a good thing eventually some of those people will figure out a way to commercialize it and capitalize on it until it becomes a bad taste in everyone’s mouth even though what is being sold by the same name doesn’t even resemble the original product to begin with. I recommend watching the documentary “American Gospel: Christ Alone”
Atheist here. Leading a happy and healthy life with a great family, good friends, and a firm grasp on who I am and my place in the world. No hate toward Christians, but Christianity is not the only way to live a good life, and I have ZERO concerns about what happens after my time here is done.
TheQuietOne75
You should have a concern about what will happen to you when you die
Sure “Christianity” seems it’s about a good life & offers all great things. But Christ wasn’t all about that. He also spoke about how following him would mean that the work would hate us. And that speaking about him would would bring persecution. Christianity is no where near about living a good life although as the Bible says, it’s a gift from God to live one, it is more about putting our faith that Christ is the way to eternal life. A life in paradise. If you really don’t mind what happens after we’re gone. Then all this life doesn’t matter cause it would cease to exist. Then why would it matter? But if people keep living, even after death then why would it matter if we lived a happy life when you’d live one after, forever in heaven. The only way to God is through Christ :) but yes there are many ways to be happy
Austin Nope, none at all. I live my life each day trying to be better than the last, and put my happiness first.
Monica Barragan To each their own. I disagree, but respect your right to believe what you want.
Well, no need to boast about atheism here - given the fact that all te loudest atheists are kind of republicans minus the god-speak. Radical atheists too behave very often with a religious kind of zeal. They support more guns, they support Zionism (because they see Israel as a protective wall against their Islamophobic conspiracist thoughts), heck they even support torture (Sam Harris). Name me one thing in which especially the New Atheists differ from Christian American Republicans - there is none (apart from the god-speak, which is an irrelevant detail). So let's just consider all those "identities" suspicious. No one "is" (just) Christian or "is" (just) atheist, etc. Those labels are not always as different as people think.
Wow. A lot of "Christians" came here with their comments of negative judgment. Pretty much just confirms everything Underoath are talking about.
@WorkDanship no lmao
I'm not seeing anything like that. I know it's been 5 years, but maybe you should come back and read these comments again
"Without love we are nothing"
1 Corinthians 13:2 📖💖🕊
Gaaayyyyyhhhh
Love does not rejoice in wrong doing
Amen.
I'd like to apologize on behalf of my brothers and sisters who have hurt you and I'm sorry we have failed to love you well in your pain. As you continue your journey, may you experience God's love and grace, which can be found in the most unexpected places sometimes.
Beautifully said!
You know, the problem with Christians is that everyone keeps trying to become better versions of themselves, rather than a more accurate reflection of Him.
Just think about this before you get triggered and start replying.
I agree, the word Christian is only used but 1-3 times in the Bible Jesus refers to his followers as disciples meaning they take advise wholeheartedly from him.
Wow, seriously that was profound Benedict! Well said brother - the Word says that we should not compare ourselves to others - only that we are to be followers of Christ &, in doing so, declare & reveal Him to those around us. It's too bad though that these two gentlemen have seemed to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. They seem to have taken their eyes off the only perfect One & put it on sinful men who are bound to let us down. And, just like Peter walking on the water, when he took his eyes off Jesus, he started to sink beneath the waves - seems like these guys have too but we continue to pray for God to bring them back by His amazin' grace!
Hear me out on this, despite that this comment is 3 years old lol
I am a believer.
I believe that we are created in God's image. Our selves are reflections of God (however warped or twisted or blurry the reflections may be) because we all bear God's image.
Is it not the same thing to become a better version of yourself, and to become a more accurate reflection of God?
Why draw a line between the two phrases that encapsulate the same idea, is what I am asking.
As someone who is a Christian and used to be a heroin dealer I can understand how you feel especially in the sense of not being accepted or not being offered help by any of the people claiming to be fellow Christians I'm sorry this was your experience. I've Loved Underoath since I was like 11 years old you guys are one of the greatest bands in my opinion and I still think you guys are pretty good role models for kids I'm sorry that Christians turn their back on you just know that Jesus hasn't and I don't speak for all Christians but I love you guys either way
@Vegan Higler well that’s flat out not true lol you don’t have to believe in Christianity but Jesus was a real guy lol
Harry Potter hasn't turned his back on them and neither has Hogwarts. Just know that not all Gryffindor has turned their back against you. See how stupid that sounds?? @reiteraaron81That's how retarded you sound. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INVISIBLE GUY IN THE CLOUDS YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER
disappointing, I'm a believer of 36 years; a former pastor of 20 years but prior to walking w Christ was a drug dealer and notorious "hell-raiser" until I was 25yo; It sounds and looks to me like you guys were "trying" to live the Christian life by assimilating into "Christian culture" instead of first becoming one with Christ through new birth by the Spirit as per ( Ezekiel 36:26-27, john 3:3, 1 peter 1:3-5; 23 etc.). put very differently, don't expect the church to understand you when you don't understand it. Sorry for your confusion but don't disparage the church when the truth is you don't understand God the Father, Christ the Son or their ways and purposes. And unless you are "born again by the Spirit of god you will never understand; see 1 Cor 2:14. Sorry fellas, but you just really don't understand "Christianity," and you can't blame that on the church.
🔥🔥This is what happens when you stop looking at Christ and start looking at christians. Jesus said follow me, Not follow christians. Humans will fail, thats why he Jesus said to look to Him. Simple thing which many people fail to do.. If one day, God forbid, i drift away from God and hate Jesus, thats because i stopped looking to Him and started looking at christians.. I pray that will never happen to me
"I'll pray for you." I've heard that WAY too many times. "You disagree with me or what my church says/believes/does, therefore you're lost and need saving."
We all need a savior my friend
it really doesn't help tbh
When people say "I'll pray for you" 9/10 the do, if you don't believe in prayer than it's wasted on you but not for them.
Keep in hate all you want but that sounds like a sad life.
I just don't understand this logic. You want people to be loving, but you cannot stand having family/friends who have different beliefs and care about you. You can't practice yourself the very thing you demand.
Instead, you choose to be offended.
Why not just love them and accept them? It might go a long way.
honestly you don’t even need to say it. if you really cared for them you would just do it. it’s akin to clout chasers filming their acts of charity. they do it for the clout and miss the point.
nothing wrong with praying for someone or even saying “i’ll pray for you”. but some people say it in a very condescending way that it defeats the purpose of the message. it’s a bit sad tbh
This is so weird. I never saw Spencer as the super religious guy but Aaron? Damn I remember watching videos and interviews with him where he was super into it. Seems like he went through a lot of personal stuff and came out the other side totally different.
He became pretty bitter after his divorce, but if you watch the video closely he doesn't actually say anything anti-Christian. Like they're all genuine criticisms that are legit concerns even amongst devote Christians.
Talin Jones must of been a female.
This is the exact problem they’re talking about. The Christian community dismisses them and their problems so quickly but never self examines their own self given self righteousness.
Talin Jones I think he came out better
Aaron is deeply spiritual but is against organized and institutionalized forms of religion.
Underoath will always be the band that started my plunge into metal. Raised as a Christian it was astonishing to find people who shared the same music energy. I took a spiral down the old road of addiction, selfishness, and godlessness. Full turn, Christ has me in His hands. I’ll never forget the journey you brought me through, nor will I judge where the two of you are now. The flock is small, but the majority is not of the flock. Full heartedly knowing christ wouldn’t treat you like that breaks my heart. You did deserve more, and still do. Christ followers can take away from this and learn we all have our stains. It wasn’t wrong to point out the sin, but to not aid as a brother or sister was. Love you guys and continuing prayers for a future in Christ.
breaking away from "Christianity" saved my life as well.
There’s a lot of honesty and humility in a such a short video. Conversations like this are needed. The church needs to hear things like this with open and humble hearts. That is how things get changed for the better.
Totally, I'm christian.. And I dont like the heading underoath is taking; For me it's like they are just pissed with the life, with the choices that they and people around took and it's far away with God's will, but mostly of the churches are just for the money and lost the meaning.
And the same goes for them, people grow when Both side's listen and talk but not talked at.
True but this band shouldn’t have given up. How can you believe in eternal life and throw it away because a bunch of HUMANS hurt your feelings?
This is exactly why I left the “religion” and began to look more into the “relationship” with God. It’s so hard because so many of us, that’s all we want, to be close to Jesus, yet so many say “you do it this way, you do it that way”. How about I do it the way God tells me to? Amen, Underoath I love you guys always and forever. REAL PEOPLE.
As a Christian. Not labeled, nor promote...I welcome ANYONE I do not judge, in your Instance Spencer,...I would be more than happy to discuss my personal approach on "getting the upper arm" On addiction! As a product of the addiction trait, I am able to live comfortably and content. As THERE is no REAL way to be addiction, per se, but there is a better place to be.. I definitely agree with your points 100 percent.. but the Christian people that think in the way you both describe, NEED THE REAL PRAYERS..
I just had the exact same thoughts as them , went through the same thing , I can to the conclusion that even during my deliberate sin Jesus still loves and accepts me , that's how I met my best friend who has encouraged me to just be ME and that's ok and through that I've come to understand why certain are wrong and why God has set certain rules , but there is freedom even in the boundaries. If you love God more than anything else , nothing , no judgemental or religious people will take you from Him. He doesn't change His mind about the love He has for us individually.
Being a Christian means you follow Christ and his teachings. Not the church. You dont need a community to identify as a follower of Christ. I wish them well and also really wish they could've spoken with Garrett Russell or any other Christian band members who have had the same experiences but decided to stay headstrong in their faith.
I agree with a lot of what they said, especially about wondering about your religion
I also agree a lot (in my experience) about the Christian community. I think I can rely on 5 people in my church. So many (not all) Christians are super judgemental and don't wanna hear about drugs, depression, etc.
Munchell360 of course they're judgemental, if they weren't they wouldn't need to be in church... It's like going to an AA meeting and complaining that everyone there is an alcoholic.
It is such a big lie that Christians don't suffer and are perfect. Glad I found my way back to Underoath.
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.” -Thomas Jefferson
Whoever said that you shouldn’t question, doesn’t understand God.
Indeed
AMEN!!! In fact, in the Bible it says that when we seek Him with our whole hearts, He will show Himself to us.
What does it mean to seek Him? To LOOK for Him. That means to search... Have questions? AWESOME!! GO SEEK! Go look to FIND God. He will show Himself. God problems with stuff you dont understand about God? Ask Him to show the truth... And be willing to look for the answers rather than throwing in the towel without even attempting to find the answers... That just seems like looking for an excuse to give up.
I was a little annoyed at that "don't question it" statement. Not at him, but whoever told him or made him think that we shouldn't.
I've always been able to openly ask questions about my christianity
I'd say most are allowed, it's just that the answers they get are absolute trash
@@juhadexcelsior "Father, why did God kill Rufus?" "Because you touch yourself at night Billy. Say ten hail marys and meet me in the back room."
See I’m a Christian but I have had these exact same thoughts & questions. The problem is, it is almost impossible to ask these questions if still call yourself a Christian. I admire that they are deconstructing their faith and asking the tough things openly to start discussions. I wish these were more normalized within the Christian community, God never said we weren’t allowed to be curious or ask questions. It’s the people that shame us or make us feel like we’re not “Christian enough” for even suggesting we’re not perfect
Honestly this is better for them as a band, because they're not held to religious but an honest standard which probably is harder but more freeing, they can ask tough questions without having to question themselves about questioning.
Exactly! I think everyone's just trying to find a place where they feel good and content but, in order to do that, we have to ask questions and then find the answers to these questions. For many of us, knowing creates a sense of peace and helps eliminate cognitive dissonance. So I honestly hate when believers are shunned for merely asking questions or for reaching different conclusions.
I understand you friend, religion hurt me personally by keeping me in a bubble for almost all my life, when the bubble burst, I collapsed and I didn't know what to do until today
It’s sad because so many people have so tarnished “Christianity” that it has actually lead people away from Jesus Christ than to Him. We need to focus on mirroring the person of Jesus Christ, not Christianity or religion.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
AMEN Brother. Best comment I've seen. Grace and peace to you and yours!
You can almost never tell someone that their experience is wrong. I am very sorry to hear about their experiences. I would challenge though to go beyond the fake people they encountered. No doubt it is a painful experience. But if you truly want to rebel against what you feel is the established brand of Christianity that so hurt you. Forgive them. Nothing could be more enlightening for them to have this person they judged so harshly to show to them the Christ like attitude they themselves failed to exemplify. What could be more radical and more rebellious than that? To truly forgive them and show them Jesus love.
Sure , be pissed at established
" Christiananity" but do not give up on Jesus. People have failed you. People will likely to continue to fail you and disappoint you. Jesus will never disappoint or fail you.
And this is why its so important to have a RELATIONSHIP with Christ, man will fail you, ALWAYS. My refuge is found in Him only.
Exactly.. in Christ alone, not religion
Yeah. For me leaving the church was the best thing for me. I don’t call myself a Christian anymore but I believe in God. Or I believe in a higher presence. It brings comfort to me when all feels like it is lost.
How can you have a relationship with something/someone that clearly doesn’t exist?
Very true
@@ErrolCe
You can’t. That’s why a lot of ppl do.
I’m a Christian and a massive fan of this band (I even like their last two albums, believe it or not), and this is a message to all the other Christians watching this. We can do better than this. To hear about the way other Christians were treating Spencer when he was struggling with his drug addiction just makes me sick. This isn’t a holier than thou situation. Someone could’ve prayed for him, talked to him, and helped him get back on track. Instead, y’all just rejected him and refused to even talk to him. We’re better than that. God put us here to spread His love and get as many people to follow Him as possible. We’re not cowards. We’re all a part of God’s army, and we need to fight for what’s right and help others get thru tough times. I really don’t know what else to say. I’m praying for Spencer. Someone could’ve helped him. We can do 100x better
"when you believe in the rules and not the reason then you e got issues" yes YES! Thank you.
But without the law you're lost to fallow Satan Blindly and Happily.
@@Meg_Lovegood that's not the point. If you blindly follow the these rules, it is an issue. I doubt God wants a bunch people following his law without knowing why or asking questions
@Yo Daddy The Bible is supremely outdated for the time and struggles to help with many worries of modern society. The Rules were written for a different time, for different people.
Unless you really need rules on when you should stone your wife to death or not.
@Yo Daddy Holy shit 3 replies that fast, man is seething. I don't have to try.
I’m a Christian and I accept you for who you are. Why would I wanna judge you? Your path is your path. But no one has the right to be bring you down . If you needed help or someone to talk to they should be mindful and accept the way ppl chose to be.
Man Spencer had a rough go. I’m genuinely sorry that you didn’t get the support you were looking for dude. Glad you’re happy now.
the fact that people are so upset over this is hilarious
For Your Consideration No, you just don't really understand anything dude
i've been listening to them longer than you kid. sit down.
I don't really know what you don't understand. They just sat there and dissed a large portion of their fan base--the Christian fan base is basically what got them to where they are. And then they just sat there insulting Christians saying "the Christian community is what ruins Christianity for me." Ummmmm...who does he think is watching this?
I grew up Christian and I was always mentally athiest tbh and I still love underoath, so stop getting asshurt smh
@@lauraelizabethbrown maybe if the christian community didnt suck he wouldnt have had to say it
I'm a Psych major, and studying Aaron's body language and interaction, it seems Spencer is pushing more for this than Aaron is. Some of the things Spencer mentions in other interviews is that UO has never had Christian lyrics, which long-time listeners can say that's a false statement. Also, Aaron released spiritual material through The Almost and his solo albums. Do I care if they're Christian or not? No. That doesnt define the quality of their music, it's just difficult believing true emotions when 1. I dont know then personally, and 2. Body language and interactions/emotions in video interviews are coming from only one source (Spencer).
you can tell they have different beliefs, even though the video is edited really nicely to make their points bounce off each other more seamlessly
Yeah, Dallas era UØ had heavy Christian lyrics. Spencer is a nice guy and I don't blame him. But as someone who left God for 8 years and came back this year, I have faith pencer will come back to Christ.
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called ‘the will of God’.”
If you are leaving your faith because of people in religion, you missed the point entirely. This video does nothing but make me sad that PEOPLE pushed you away from Christianity. There is no person in this world capable of separating me from Christ, because I rest on the bedrock of the word of God, not what people say about it. I’m seriously just saddened.
I don't need to comment, you already said everything that I would say.
I love underoath’s music but I totally disagree! I have always been encouraged to ask the hard questions as a Christian and a Christ follower and I have always been allowed to make my own mistakes. I’m sorry that so many closed minded Christians had to ruin the whole experience for these guys. But their songs seemed so overtly Christian it’s weird to see them do this. And Aaron even was at conferences speaking! It’s okay to have questions while staying grounded in what you believe in! That’s how we grow. And its okay to make mistakes because that’s where God’s grace comes in and that’s how he uses us to reach others, through the brokenness. I am perfectly aware that the band may never see this but It’s ashamed how no one was their to help them in their time of trouble and how it’s turned them away from faith! Many ppl go through life believing they are saved but at the end of the day they are just following a bunch of rules because that’s what they were taught. Coming to peace with what you believe and who you are in Christ is true salvation and I hate it that these guys never truly experienced that! Keep searching and I hope y’all find what y’all really believe and who you are! Much love ❤️
Where is the whole thing? Its been chopped so much, no way you could have this level of deep and it only be a 2 minute and 53 second video.
Who cares what people think, you have to be true to God and yourself. satan is hard at work to discourage as many as possible.
Amen Brotha, Not today Satan.
For all of you Christians out there, this should be a blow to your inflated heads. Christianity has become a brand and an expectation. Stop hurting people and judging them. no wonder people don't like you. Church hurt is real and you need to be there for your brothers and sisters, no matter where they are at. That's what Jesus does and you should be a reflection of that.
They've been on tour most of their lives. Have they ever been planted in a Church? Have they held membership at a church and been there every week to be fed the Word? Have they been involved in a small group or community group or bible study where a few in the church community get together and build off each other? A place where they can take their burdens to each other and encourage and uplift each other and help each other? Have they been in the Word daily to see what it actually says? Have they been in prayer groups where others can come alongside them in their burdens and life each other up in prayer? This is what the church community is and if you aren't a part of it how can you claim to understand? Have they ever reached out for help at all? More than anything, they just appear to be holding a straw man argument about something they really know nothing about. We live in a fallen world and like previous comments have mentioned, if you have a jerk you can't make him the shining light for all of Christianity. It's sinful people living with other sinful people. Iron sharpen Iron.
I think Aaron has or had but that's the point, the band hasn't, so the band are not a collective soul
Holy shit, this was the biggest deflection away from the point they were making, in an attempt discredit what they have to say about your religion. I shouldn't be surprised though. That's fairly typical of religious zealots.
Whether or not they've been any of those things is irrelevant to what they feel. However, I can tell you I was part of a church, and a bible study, and I was a youth leader, and involved in other parts of the church, and I can happily say that their feelings about religion are completely justified, as I feel the exact same way.
Everything you said is right on, it’s funny how these guys looked to other Christians to fulfill their life and not Christ Himself. They literally spoke from ignorance and decided to bash Christ for their failings.
Yeah I've never attended a church where I didn't feel a sense of people wanting to build community and being willing to offer help with any issues I've had. I've told some of my darkest things to fellow church members and never felt judged. I think these dudes are just taking the path of least resistance now that they had their run making money off of Christian kids. Their experience is going to be a lot different coming from a place of "fame." Because it'll feel like the negativity pointed toward them is amplified 100x. But still, they're adults and should be able to recognize the situation.
The most simple of hypocrisy here;
"They hold a straw man argument about something they really know nothing about."
YOU do the same, having no idea how long prior, how active during, or in what manner post-band that these guys have been active in their respective churches or communities. You just offer retort to their own experiences.
This made my heart unbelievably happy, the vulnerability and truth shown is hella brave and much appreciated. Many of us feel the same🙏🏽
Many of my friends walked away from God because of what everyone else was doing. I feel like Spencer focused so much on people that he forgot his relationship with God. I can relate in the way that most "Christians" I knew did the worst things. However, I never let it distract me nor did I blame them for my mistakes. Many go around focusing on people and trying to see them perfectly but that is flawed. The main focus should always be one's relationship with God.
Acts 1:21-26
21“Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
23And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
"And they cast their lots"
This was always my favorite part in the Bible, when asked "why aren't you more like the Apostles" I tell people this verse and reply "I am, they walked with God in Human flesh and are still playing "Black Jack" to find the new Apostle" humans are stupid, that's why we need Christ.
Funny, I'm part of one of the largest churches in the US and none of that has ever come across. Our pastor isn't perfect and will tell people that normally, especially when he screws up. No one believes anyone is perfect or can be at my church, but we do strive for sanctifcation as we are called. My community at the church is what keeps me going and keeps me alive as they live life with me and know my struggles well. If I wasn't a Christian, I'd probably be dead.
Sounds like these thoughts and criticisms are about Christians, not Christianity
Facts.
Eyes wide open, I agree ten million percent. Born and raised Christian, haven't been part of it for years and years. I agree with what you say, "non Christian's" are the most open and honest people you'll meet. I know you guys understand what I'm saying
You nailed it on the head! I was raised Catholic, and my biggest problem with it as I grew up and started to notice some questionable things was that people are only willing to accept you if you don't actually need acceptance. If your cat dies then everyone will pray for you, but if you get pregnant at 16 years old everyone looks down on you and casts you out in their eyes. This was a real thing that happened to a close friend of mine, and it was the turning point for me where I decided I was no longer Christian. I didn't want to be a part of that. It's all about selling an image of purity. From my experience of the church, everyone wants to believe that if you trust in god and follow his plan then everything is all smiles and sunshine. But isn't that the exact opposite of what it should be? There's a whole concept of humans being human that the church talks about all the time, yet when it comes down to a real-world scenario of a human making a human mistake, they're treated differently. If there is a god, then he knows that humans can never be perfect beings. People get hurt and people act according to their own will, that's just what being human is. It should never be about only allowing the perfect into a place of perfection, but that's what it's become. It should be about a perfect god helping those who can never have that perfection. I don't know that I believe in any god, but I know that I certainly don't believe in the golden calf that modern Christianity has created.
“Let’s ask the two non-Christians of the band their opinion on Christianity.”
I don’t entirely disagree with their comments. It’s just funny how the two non-Christians were picked to answer the question. The interview would’ve been balanced and more insightful into the bands opinion on Christianity had the rest of the members been included.
Something Spencer keeps saying is "you're not allowed to talk about these issues in a Christian band". Isn't that an issue between Spencer and the rest of the band opposed to Spencer and Christianity?
Most of what they've said here I agree with...but I feel like they're playing both sides intellectually dishonestly. I know for facts that many many many Christian fans tried to be uplifting to him when he struggled. I know a guy who gave Spencer his phone number and told him to call if he needs something. Back then you'd see Christians always saying they pray for him to overcome and everything a FAN is SUBJECTED to do within the confines of a celebratory figure. I was one of them. But he decides to pick the assholes as an example.
Most Christians probably wouldn't have plastered your face as an example on a magazine cover. So why does that assholes actions who did it weigh more the the actions of those that wouldn't have done it..or rather didn't do it?
Oh and in the Bible God, 9/10, never had an issue with being questioned.
Hes talking about the aura of it. The label doesnt want you talking about it, the christian parents buying their kids cds and merch dont want a drug addict as part of the band they are buying stuff from. The fans want you to be the answer or end result of their struggles, they dont want someone who is in the same struggle they are. People want to see fruit from Christian's in the spot light. The first time underoath wanted to make secular music their christian label abounded them.
@Brandon Mitchell Thanks for that detailed explanation Brandon.
Congratulations, you just proved his point.
@@adg7147 Thank you for that detailed and thorough explanation of how his point was proven Adrian.
XBM 79 no problem. I’m here all week, fam.
Why listen to a single word these guys say? They’ve spent many years giving people advice regarding Christianity and now they’ve changed a lot of their advice. So why listen? It’s like “hey I know I told you all this stuff was good and true before, but I was wrong, but I promise I’m right this time, so listen to what I have to say now”.
ITT: A bunch of Christians not being accepting. I'm glad these guys can stand on their own feet and be a role model for others to show that you don't need religion on stand on your own, and that it's OK to question things.
James Bos Right? Every UA-cam video with these guys is filled with (shocker) unsupportive and judgmental Christians.
James Bos
So you’re happy that they are role models for those who think they can manage life on their own? You’re downplaying a whole community of faith by saying that. Everyone is broken, even Christians, but the difference is Christians know we are broken and we need Jesus in order to “stand on our own”. You unbelievers on the other hand are stumbling and tripping their way through life while they lie to themselves that they are standing upright and secure.
Maria T
And what is your definition of “judgmental”?
@@zaoadore "You unbelievers on the other hand are stumbling and tripping through life while they lie to themselves that they are standing upright and secure" is pretty judgemental. Not everyone needs religion to feel fulfilled in life.
As a Christian pastor/teacher who has done worship music for 28 years and served 25 years in a mainstream church, I do understand the points they make. Megachurches with prosperity gospel, God-is-your-divine-vending-machine and we always-smile-here type of things are ... FAKE. I encourage Aaron (who years ago wrote the forward to my friend's Christian book) to look wholeheartedly into the WORD OF GOD (the Bible) and once again, find Jesus there. Currently, I'm two years in to something I never thought I'd be at: a home church where we eat together, talk about life, support one another and are AUTHENTIC.
PS: I haven't mentioned $$ in two years of sermons.
Aaron, can you comment on your two worship albums?
Lets be real here...$$$$. Christian music is such an easy market to manipulate, and artist/bands take advantage of it. There are still legit hearts out there though.
He stated he stands by those albums and professes that he beleives in Jesus Christ and that he is the son of God, was crucified, and rose again. He says he follows christ but not in an organized way meaning he avoids Churches and denomonations and reads the bible to himself and follows his faith the way he wants to.
Without a community with leaders who can faithfully interpret the scripture he's reading he runs the risk of being convicted of things that aren't true. I hope he can connect with some solid Christians who aren't scared to hang with him.
vandalistica vlogs You speak true thats how protestantism happened, and why now there are 30,000 different secs and all lost from the truth. Some are so far gone they’re not even really Christian. What ever makes these guys happy I support.
YOu can't follow Christ apart from the body of Christ (the church). That's like trying to be a tongue that isn't connected to a body.
As a follower of Christ, I would've prayed for Spencer when he was struggling and helped him get off of his Drug addiction. But I couldn't do that because I was very young when it was happening and I don't know him personally as well.
As a christian, I partially agree with these statements. I feel like some of their opinions are formed based on very specific, isolated events. Unfortunately, this is such a nuanced discussion being packed into a short, 3 minute clip. I would love to talk to these in person and really dissect this issue. Maybe modern Christians could learn a thing or two.
being a Christian, I get where your coming from. my personal opinion being a Christian is about questioning, not following like sheep. to help people when they are down, not praising them when things are great. I am one who gets "offended" when Christians say they will pray for you when something happens...... go ahead and pray and also do something to help. get out of your ivory houses and golden chairs and do something to make things better. at the church I attend, it's about the journey. your walk and relationship with God is purely yours and no one else's. not to be copied, or a blueprint for others. we all fail / fall short every day. ask God for the strength, dust yourself off and keep moving forward.
Yo folks. I was obsessed with this band while I was a Christian and since leaving Christianity around the same time they did I can honestly say I’m a way better person. I have an underoath tattoo and for so long I had to say “ah yeah it’s a Christian tattoo” and now I can just say it’s about a band who made music who got me through hard times while I was in Afghanistan. I love these dudes.
I still listen to underoath but still have faith in Christ our Lord and always will.
accept your brainwashing nicely eh?
Aaron says he doesn't know how Christianity got involved with conservatism. Two people: Billy Graham and Ronald Reagan.
There is still plenty of non-conservative Christians. They just don't get the same press coverage
@Alex Monro
Definitely; I'm one of them.
Same
It got involved with conservatism for the policies republicans hold:
1. Not for killing babies
2. Gay marriage
3. Lifestyle based more around abstinence. Anything from sex to drugs
4. Not for theft through legislation I.e. Taxes. (Or at least less theft)
I'm sure I could think of more
1. I'm generally pro life though I think certain medicalm situations and rape can be exceptions. But certainly not if you just don't "feel ready" for a child or its " inconvnient". Should have thought of that earlier.
2. Even if you think homosexuality is wrong its gonna exist regardless. Thats just the reality. Wouldn't it better off existing in legal monogamous relationships?
3. This sounds more like personal choices thann anything relating to policy.
4. I don't think taxes are wrong per se. I would say whats done with the tax money is far more important.
What’s so great about this band is that they broke through all preconceived notions of what “Christian rock” was and caught the attention of non Christian rock lovers such as myself. I was surprised when I learned they were Christian because their sound is super heavy. Not at all surprised to hear that Spencer is no longer a Christian. I was very lucky not to be inundated with any religion growing up. Too much a of a free thinker ✌🏼 . Happy Aaron and Spencer got back together. Keep rockin guys!
To Underoath and anybody who has been mistreated by the church. Please, don't condemn Jesus for what religion has done. I am so broken up from watching this. I walked away from Jesus years ago because of the way the church was. I am thankful to say, Jesus took me back recently. He said He wasn't done with me yet, and neither is He is with you. He wants you to come as you are to him, no matter what it is, was, or will be doing. Jesus loves you and it is okay to question, you need to be enlightened. There are a lot of plastic Christians like the "perfect familys" they portray unfortunately. They do miss treat people sadly, but please know that Jesus isn't like this. You don't need to clean yourself up before coming to Him, He is with you now and is ready to accept you. Please, don't leave Jesus, leave religions nd start a relationship. God Bless each and everyone of you.
They still believe in Jesus's teachings but are no longer part of a religion.
Their actions beg to differ, check out their other interviews of this topic. They are denying the Father and Son.
Wow this was hard to digest. I’m about to be a first time dad and the first thing I want to do is teach my baby as they grow about Jesus and how he sacrificed so much to save us all at the right hand of God his father.
But simultaneously I believe that organized mega church organization has corrupted the real purpose of Christian religion. Jesus was a Jew but the views between Jewish and Christian belief is quite similar if you really dive deeper into the spiritual facts.
I will never turn my back on Underoath; and I hope our first born takes the messages you as a band have preached in your own creative way to heart. I’m 30 now and have been listening to your band since I was about 14 years old.
Skating around the neighborhood took every lyric to heart and here I am: a God fearing Christian with values that lead me to the life I live now. It’s not glamorous but it’s our life and that is what counts the most!
I will pray for you and the band! And I understand things happened. But I really do not think you lost religion, your rebelling to the toxic anatomy that it has become!
Be well!
"Belief isn't a prison, expectation is the prison"
So tired of this argument every church ive ever seen or Christian I’ve talked to is eager to ask and answer questions
it is time for aaron to grow up and get out of his ongoing midlife crisis
As a lifelong believer in Christ Son of God, sent for us because of the Grace of God. I've never been a church guy. I've been to some fantastic churches, and I've been to some that felt not so great. What I can say is God is faithful despite us. Regardless of our other relationship, shortcomings, missed opportunities, God doesn't care about status.
He cares that we acknowledge and accept Jesus.
Aaron changed so much man it’s crazy. sad to see them like this confused
They ain't confused, they escaped
@@robertlowe6367 Some seek forgiveness, others escape
@@aarnmtc forgiveness from shitty people isn't worth getting.
The devil used and abused them to believe that Christianity as a whole is based off of their sole experience.
I agree with most of this. Those of you who think your churches are perfect and that they just associated with the wrong Christians or the wrong churches should stop attending church every week and let a few Christians know you’re going out partying. I’d say most of you will see a very different side to your church. Like most of the people in these comments, most Christians are only loving, kind, and accepting if you’re on track, not if you need help.
And don’t say it’s about your relationship with God and not other Christians, cos I didn’t leave church because of other people (although I do fucking hate how most of them act) and I doubt Aaron and Spencer initially did either
PTVexoh Former hillshlang here. the cliquez and hierachys are real. They're selling out into a cult of positivity. They love to talk about the good side of god and not the bad or any contradictions. all feel good interpretations. they have no idea of the impending doom coming for them. this is what happens when they let their women speak and infect everyone with their feminisim.
Then why did you leave the church?
PTVexoh I am consider myself a Christian still... a leader in my Church and attend most Sundays, but I have thought about your point before. How “loving” would my church be if I were gay or a pregnant teen or just hit a rough patch?
A band opens up about their bad experiences within the church and talks about how the community was not there and everybody in the comments (Christian and not) has taken that as an invitation to crap on them and make them feel more divided from the community. Way to go people.
Underoath, I’m sorry the church has not been the community that you expected and WE have not shown you the same love and support that Jesus would have given you.
Disliking how some Christians behave does not make Christianity incorrect. There is a strong vibe of “I perceive Christians a certain way so I don’t like it” in this clip.
It's called selfism...the fastest growing religion. Why conform yourself to your Creator when you can create a god in your own image?
It’s not creating god in your own image, it’s realizing the hypocrisy of ORGANIZED religion as many people do and how the Vatican is literally so rich and powerful… so much for living a modest life.. Organized religion has and always will be controlled by MAN. Some people are just so blind to it and will never acknowledge how that makes no sense.
@@dirtremovesblindness huh, kinda the way Christians do?
It's so lucky that I never see any Christian who believes God has a different standard than themselves.
The way in which one interprets the Bible is merely a reflection of who they are, and has nothing to do with God.
These guys are clearly saying they don't want to be publicly associated with such a reactionary and uncurious group of people.
And no interest in making things better, not for anyone, but especially not in their own community.
You can tell a Christian about your issues with things you see broadly across Christianity today, and rather than examine some of the problematic things, they'll throw their fellow Christian under the bus.
"Oh, sweetie, those aren't real Christians."
Wow, what an easy way to slip out of having to make any improvements among yourselves!
And how dare they presume to know what is in someone else's heart anyway?
Life would be scary if we all realized we have no good reason to believe there's anything waiting for us when we die. Then it makes life that much more important to not procrastinate. When you don't think you can kiss and makeup in heaven, you make sure you make things right before time runs out.
There are plenty of ministers out there who have ceased to believe, but some people find that religion "isn't for me, I'm above that, but for some of these lower people, helps keeps 'em in line."
Although I don't think I'd be fair in painting ministers with that brush, their experiences vary so widely.
But yeah, it's just difficult to get many Christians to engage in honest conversation and the church has already poisoned the masses against atheists to where they think they have a rough idea of what's going on with any given atheist, but quickly show they don't have a clue, and that they are not interested in learning.
@@dirtremovesblindnessbecause I AM A GOD
No, you're a fool. Read Isaiah 43:10@@sandhanitizer15
This is so cool, I’m so happy they were able to deconstruct.
I recommend the book "Mere Christianity" written by a reknown atheist professor who became a Christian, C.S. Lewis.
As a Christian I can say I hear this kinda thing often and it makes me sad to see people either get turned off or feel unwelcomed in Christianity because of how other human beings have treated them, taken Gods name in vein or tried to come off as holier than thou. All of us are train wrecks. All of us are wicked. It’s okay to ask questions. It’s okay to seek truth. As a Christian I have no fear that you seeking truth will cause you to leave Jesus because I’m confident in who Jesus is and what it all means. I’ve been heavily surrounded by non believers in my leave, people that actively mock Christianity in fact and never once has it made me want to cast shame on them or throw hatred back their way. I don’t think it’s what Jesus would do or did do. Anyways, everyone’s journey is their own, there will always be ups and downs and until the day we die we will always face challenges and struggles as God continues to press us with things he knows we cannot conquer alone, we need Jesus to get through it all. But at the end of the day, everyone is out here just doing their best and trying in the only ways they know how. Be good to one another, try your best to guide people to Jesus but do not be forceful or casting hate on those that are resistant, that will literally never work.
As a person who was a fan of their music since I was introduced to them by my Confirmation minister back in 2007, I personally was both surprised and taken a back when they started cussing in their interviews and started ditching the Christian band label during the whole reunion era (2015 to 2017)(didn't pay that much attention to thier interviews prior to this time period) even before the whole "On My Teeth" controversy. I was also surprised when the band members in their Bad Christian podcast interviews talked about thier own personal struggles and drama in both their own lives and with each other as well as with Christianity.
I'm not here to give my thoughts on the cussing thing, the band's abandonment of Christianity, or anything else they did or are doing. I just want to say to the band that, even if I personally don't completely agree with all that you're doing, I still like and respect you as a band, and wish you the best of luck in your new path in life.
I find it quite sad that it’s gone this way for them. I understand secular Christians suck and worldly churches exist. But it’s not the end all be all of Christianity. Not once did these guys speak about their individual relationships with Jesus. Which is what is meant to separate the relationship from the “religion” They threw it all away due to how they were treated and threw the baby out with the bath water. Who cares how an individual feels about you if they are judging you for things that aren’t true. Walk away from that, separate yourself from those. Call them out for being fake Christians and carry on in your faith. Its true the worlds path is WIDE - it’s easier to go down your own path and be excepted by the world. It’s much harder to walk the Jesus path. This is just sad man, I loved Underoath. Haven’t listen to them in a long time but heard a few things that didn’t line up with Jesus and today that made me look this up. I hope they find Jesus again. I’m currently leaving my church being the young lead pastor is a money grabbing ego maniac. I don’t blame Christianity or Jesus for that. Unfortunately men fall. Men sin. We are now looking for a new church and that is very hard to find a good one. Which again. Is sad!
Well Spencer I'm a recovering addict and also a Jesus follower and I personally don't know what "Christians" you were talking to, but I have many Jesus following friends in the NA community and my church that have been very supportive...and the Shepherd of my church welcomes questions...and what about child like faith???????? And Aaron left the band to persue the Almost and had quite a few worship songs out...I love you guys your music is awesome and I still support you no matter what!!
Nice to see the church of Christ standing strong here in this comment section. Yeah I know you've been hurt by Christians and all but as many have mentioned, we are ALL flawed. We ALL struggle with problems. Idk if it's that you're in a famous band and all or just too pissed off or a combination of both, but what really sucks is that you won't listen to the Christians that are reaching out to you with open arms, that are trying to help you. It sucks man but you know there are TONS of people that are still going to pray for you and not many people have that luxury because they're not famous like you but you've really made an impact on a lot of people including me and we're all pained to see you turn away. But, in the end it's your choice, and you only have two brother. Life, or death, and I seriously recommend you seek help choosing life and that can only be found in one place man as you should've known, and that's in Jesus Christ my friend. God bless you all who may read this...
Yeah, I agree. I went to a Christian college full of hurt and anger for what I experienced growing up in church(mainly my highschool years), and I was ready to be all like: "Screw Church, Screw Christianity" after I heard some haunting statistics about church youth. I wiill personally admit that if it weren't for someone lovingly and relentlessly reaching out to me in love...I would be in that same position as well. Feeling like no one cares and feeling overlooked.
I personally hope I can help other people with church hurt if I ever do encounter someone like that.
I stopped going to church for years for this reason but remained devoted to Jesus (not religion, just devotion to Him). Recently He led my wife and I to move and when we arrived at the new location, He prompted us to go to a specific church there and everything sorta fell into place. I'm now the drummer for the church etc. and I wasn't even looking for a place to play drums, in fact I hadn't played drums at all in over 5 years prior to this. These people also were exactly what I was looking for: Jesus without the religion. I want to encourage others to do the same. You don't necessarily have to leave the church you're in, but ask Jesus honestly where you should be and do whatever He says. It may be to stay where you're at, it may be to go to a different church. It may even be to not go at all until he leads you somewhere else.
Theology is important, folks. They came from denominations that emphasize feelings over wisdom.
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thats the reason i had to take a break from my attempts at being a christian after years of finding God. i thought i had found Him at one point, until the church i held so close to my heart told my mother she wasn't allowed to attend service anymore due to her mental illness. She had a stroke in 2007, prior to that was the choir director as well as helped dicate bible school and thursday night bible studies for the teenagers and kids. unfortunately, the stroke left her without a filter and during service while sitting in the choir would take her medication or just whisper to the person beside her random comments that made no sense.
sounds annoying, yes. but my mother was a huge component to this church, she brought all kinds of children to the church primarily made up of elderly folks.
but no, the new pastor who could care less of her contributions to the church that hadn't met her prior to the stroke, invited her to a hospital lobby and told her not to show her face at the church ever again. EDIT: there was no communication prior to this in terms of asking my mother if she would be willing to try and keep her comments to herself or anything of that nature. just flat out, SEE YA.
Hey@@phylazen5649 reading this I am very sorry that this is how you experienced christian religion. It is understandable how you are standing with christian churches when being rejected to the face like this.
I hope that you will continue on your journey towards salvation even if human beings have the ability to either attract or terribly detract from God in most devious ways.
Essentially everyone of us is called to reflect Christ and that is why when people don't live up to their calling and do even the opposite, that they end up doing even more terrible damage.
My hope for you is, find the narrow road.
God bless.
“Belief isn’t a prison. Expectation is the prison.”
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What is enigmatic to me is Spencer sharing how Christians have not been there for him or willing to struggle with him while a Christian is sitting right next to him being there for him and willing to struggle with him. Spencer, not everyone who professes to know Christ knows Christ, I suspect you've met many of the hypocrites Jesus was crucified by. Your focus on the institution of Christianity leads me to presume that you haven't met Him; when you have met a physical person you cannot then unmeet them, you may hate them or ignore them but they do not vanish. The devil himself knows the Lord, he's simply in opposition to Him. I am speculating that you've merely become acquainted with an institution that poorly represents Christ and I hope you come to know Jesus the being Himself; the Savior who has taken our sins on Himself and paid our debts, the God who suffers for His wayward children and knows your suffering deeply. You are loved, in the midst of all this hardship you have been through, you are loved and Christ is calling for you. Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus, be still and know Him, find life in Him, then go out and love as He has loved you; maybe a few hypocrites will also meet Him and join you. May the Lord bless you.
Amen! Very well said. Repent and believe in the Gospel, for there is forgiveness! (Mark 1:15, Acts 3:19)
Sometimes, I can't blame on what Aaron and Spencer says! Because it's true. Sometimes Christian are more rude and not caring to their fellow brothers in Christ👌...So what they say about the church, is really true. For me, they only say that it's because on what they see in their church during their Christian walk..
And we will be wanderers and vagabonds
As a Christian, I'm sorry no one loved you enough to reach out with the love of Christ to meet you were you were and help you in a practical way. While the truth should always be spoken in love, there is a time and place. Telling everyone you meet they're going to hell will not make them want to give their life to Jesus. And you most certainly cannot argue someone into the kingdom, that never works. The best you can do is show them love by the way you interact with them and evangelize when the time and circumstances seems to "magically" line up. For me, I was all the way into my early 20s, living for my own pleasure and sinful ways. But then I found myself being drawn back to church. Maybe I liked the company or how I felt when I left church on Sunday - happy, carefree. But I didn't find religion and rules, or not in the legalistic sense. I found a Savior, who gave me hope when I had none, purpose, a future. I found Jesus. Then my life began to change. All the sinful habits began to drop one by one. It wasn't some miraculous overnight process either. It was gritty, ugly, and took some time. I would stumble and fall but God was always there. He set me free of all the chains I had binding me. Sexual Immortality, pornography, filthy speak, addiction. He did that, not me. I tried to free myself and I couldn't. But He is able. And when you find Jesus, not religion, the commandments become something you keep because you love God, your neighbor, and yourself, not because you're looking at it from just a right and wrong stance. Am I perfect? Not at all, but each day is another opportunity to continue to put my Faith and trust in Jesus that the work He started in me, he will see it through to completion, that it has always been about Him and will always be about Him. That there's nothing worthy of salvation within me but Christ, my hope. Each year I get a little older, a little wiser, and a little more like Jesus. I'm not the man I was, praise God. And I'm not the man I'm going to be when I see our creator face to face. But thank you Jesus he works within me to shape me slowly into His image. And unlike us, He has more grace and mercy and love than we can ever imagine. So when stumble and fall, we can look to God as loving father who wants to restore us, not shake his finger at us and say "I told you so" I sincerely hope you give Jesus a try, not rules and regulations or religion. Jesus said take up your cross and follow me, not man. But what you can do is follow me as I follow Christ. God bless those who read this and feel like there might just be hope out there. He's only a prayer away.
Bible clearly states 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
, but test everything; hold fast what is good.
Yup! I get annoyed when people think that "as a Christian, you're not allowed the question the church" or whatever, when the opposite is true. In questioning one's beliefs, any beliefs, truth usually arises.
Basing your faith on people instead of Christ is the problem, God always finds a way. I’m sorry to hear that you guys have had a bad experience with those around you in the Christian community.....but blaming people is your first mistake,....as Aaron Weiss says, God is love and love is real. Try basing your faith on Christ, you do this by seeking him daily. And don’t get me wrong, there are Christians out there that give our faith a terrible name, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God and love people and that’s what we should do. But when you earnestly seek Him, He will send you amazing people, I can testify to that.
God bless you guys and God bless Underoath, love your music...always have, always will!
What I can’t stand about all of this nonsense is that a band who made their through the music world for the most upon a “Christian” music label is seemingly throwing rocks at the people who loved them? I mean I understand that there were people in your circles who acted a huge nasty ASS, but what about us...the ones who still love you regardless of where you are? It seems like they’ve white washed all of their “Christian” fans in such a way to gain new ones... I never saw a “tweet”, FB post or even a message on the MySpace wall asking for the prayers of the saints to help through a broken marriage, struggles with drugs or whatever. I never got the message, but you bet your bottom dollar I’d have prayed sincere prayers asking for the love and mercy of God. I’m not self righteous because I know that there are plenty of us who have lived through, for lack of a better phrase, the toughest shit ever. But it because I have held on to Christ though I’ve run out of tears that I can pray for them. I hope UO reads this, because I feel like you all left us and now sneer at every given opportunity at your day 1 people. Some didn’t come just because of the music. Some of us actually love you just the way you are, but the jeering is tone deaf. I could be wrong. That’s what hurts the most because I am conflicted. My resolve is a little saying the J.R.R. Tolkien once wrote in Lord of the Rings: Not all who wander are lost. Praying for your very best no matter where you go.
Met these guys back in 2019 they were very down to earth and humble. Scratched one off my bucket list.
I love there approach to this. I also had similar bouts with Christianity. It caused me to question a lot of stuff in my college years. In the end it reaffirmed my faith, but changed a lot of the things I previously thought about it and scripture in general. Religion can do a number on people since it is run by imperfect people. A lot of it is not what was intended, but got messed up. I'm glad these guys got out from under oppressive religion. I hope God is still on the table for them, but I totally respect and see where they are coming from. For each of us the journey there is different.
I’m a Christian and I agree with what’s said in this. Like, it’s sad how religious a lot of Christians are, thinking you shouldn’t ever question things, thinking you shouldn’t be honest, and giving other Christians, especially ones that have platforms like being in a band or even being like a youth leader or pastor, judgement(comparing them to God like they’re not human) instead of sympathy.
They seem so confident about their choices... and yet seem so unhappy... is it just me?
Not just you.
As a Christian, I had similar experience. I felt so hopeless and useless, and on top of that I was surrounded by judgemental people and was afraid to be who I am. But when you focus on God and Jesus rather than people, you start to understand that God made you perfect and gave you free will to choose. Organised religion is evil and controlling. Christianity isn’t religion, it’s a relationship with God. We shouldn’t look at Christianity through people, but through the Bible. People interpret the Bible the way they like and a lot of the times it’s wrong. I understand what Aaron and Spencer went through but I do pray for them and I hope they both find peace and rest. God heals and He knows your struggles and needs.