Self-Driving Car Ticketed In San Francisco; Company Disputes Alleged Violation
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2018
- A self-driving car was slapped with a ticket after police said it got too close to a pedestrian on a San Francisco street. Jackie Ward reports. (3/27/18)
I can hardly wait to watch the first self-driving car police chase.
Bet
I wonder if a hacker accomplished this would he face the charges if caught 🤔🤔.
that woman getting hit by the self driving car would have been hit even if someone was driving it. In that clip, you couldn't see the person crossing until you were right up onto them. If they did cross at a proper cross walk area then that would be a different story.
You don’t know that
@@dicktracy5066 We do know it is extremely more likely to get hit by a car on a dark road, wearing dark clothing, and crossing a road without looking for any cars coming your way. Self driving cars can alway be improved. Humans get sloppy, Ai can behold to a much higher standard.
Plus for the fact that a person was in the vehicle and could override the car and brake but he didn't because he didn't see her till it was too late. So we do know that.
@@HifeMan lot of assumptions there bud
@@dicktracy5066 Assumptions? It was all on video! We try to teach people how to cross the road at a young age for a very real reason. lol A probability is an assessment of how likely something is to happen bud.
I didn’t even see the woman the first time i saw that clip
Cop pulled over the car and blocked the bicycle lane which creates an even more dangerous situation.
Bikes are the scourge of roadways. Waaaaaaah, A bike lane got blocked. Bastards rarely use them anyway preferring to get in the middle of a lane and block traffic.
don't worry. cop will be executed
Bet it would be safer just to stop in the middle of the road or even the intersection
Pigs care only for full trough.
I once saw a cop park in the middle of the road and block off traffic for 30 minutes just to give a "inspect" something.
How about look both ways before you step into the crosswalk
The Arizona incident is the pedestrians fault. They were crossing a highway in the dark, with dark clothing and not in a crosswalk. A human driver would have hit them too.
It is still the driver's responsibility to try to avoid the pedestrian.
That pedestrian was quite clearly visible. A human driver likely would not have hit the pedestrian.
People are going to have to take the responsibility.
To pay attention to what they are doing...
And get their heads out of their electronic devices...
jim h true and the technology is also going to have to get better as well
Dr Sin
It will..
Has anyone seen the video of the uber hitting the woman....
I heard she stepped out infront of it...
exactly what happened here,the driver got the ticket!
CA, where even the robo-cars can't follow traffic laws.
Lmao
Lol
We're talking about safety when the cop stops in the middle of traffic on one lane and the autonomous on an another lane ?
Stop spreading fear, for every one ticket there are 1000 more just like it from human driven cars
Kirk Perkins ur full of shit, there are only so few robot cars, u cant compare 2 different pools together
Kirk Perkins I agree, human error is just too significant to compare. Not to mention drunk and distracted drivers.
So true. We going to hear bout every violation and accident. Which is very few. Imagine if they reported on same thing for human drivers lol. The car is using tech which is more accurate than the cop guessing by what he views. This wasnt bout a violation it was bout a cop that is against self driving cars cause there going to reduce violations which means less tickets which means less money which means less cops patrolling traffic. Which means either cop layoffs or reassignment meaning he will actually have to do real work for a change. Plus no traffic tickets means no traffic court which means no ot for court pay.
The thing is they are just experimental trials at this stage, so they aren't actually _replacing_ human drivers anywhere. So we have all the same damage from humans and now _extra_ bullshit from these things. I personally think they should no be on our roads yet. Let them maintain private testing sites with paid and willing volunteers. They'll be the ones making the profit, so let them take the risks and pay for a safe testing process.
And another thing, professional drives have a much lower accident rate (pretty rare for one to turn up to work drunk too), so comparison with the average road user isn't really accurate.
Kirk Perkins you should fear a system that tickets the living and nonliving.
this is stupid, why you allow a self driving car drive a passenger to its destination without a driver??? Who allowed that in the first
place?
And one time, I saw a thing do a bad thing, so all things are bad now. That’s journalism for you.
What happens if I happen to be in one and I’m sitting in the back seat when the car starts to lose control especially when it starts to go downhill? What should I do?
So how will the car react to a carjacking? All they have to do is step in front of the car and it will stop.
It will lock the carjacker inside and proceed directly to the police station to make a delivery.
David Darby what if they only want to rob or harm the people inside?
That's a really good question I've never thought of. They would need ballistic glass at the very least, but I think the biggest risk is if an offender used an incendiary device. These would surely need some system that overrides all locks if fire is detected in or on the vehicle.
The roof sensors can be easily vandalised too..just a couple of smacks with a hammer will render the vehicle unusable?
Thomas McGillivray I really wish it would work to reduce traffic and make driving less stressful, but I feel there are too many bad people for this type of technology to be successful.
Shit journalism at its finest. Now report the deaths that occurred at the hands of manned vehicles in the time it took to shoot this dumpster fire.
How do they stop a self driving car? By getting in front of it? That can not be safe.
It will be when all cars on the road are self driving. Least of our worries. Wait til they turn on the newly installed microwaves and cook whole cities that do not obey.
How do they stop when the cops are behind them? Sensors?
there was no reason for that biker to cross that road like that. They were at as much fault as the car
So the person in the back seat got a pay the ticket that’s messed up why not ship it to the cruise company? Or is it the person who is in control of the car at the time from the cruise company gotta pay ticket
One issue with these types of cars is the computer works off set distance like the 10.8 feet, however, most laws don't have such specific rules for all situations. I'm not familiar with the exact laws of that area, however, where I live if there's a pedestrian in a crosswalk at an intersection you can't legally enter the intersection until the pedestrian has cleared your projected path - some jurisdictions elsewhere limit moving until after they finish crossing, but ours allows you to go once it's clear they pass you line of advance. In such a case the distance to the pedestrian can be over 50 feet because it has to include the whole intersection. I suspect this case may be a similar situation where the legal stopping point is further back than the car stopped.
Valid points. Some laws specifically use subjective measurements. In my state, you have to stop as soon as the person is in any part of the crosswalk, and you cannot enter the crosswalk until after they have cleared the lane after yours on their path, or are completely out of the street. Lanes are not a set width. They very depending on what street it is, how big that street was to begin with, and whether that street was modified after construction to accommodate a bike lane.
The problem is self-driving car companies competing on safety needs. It's going to be a race of who makes the safer car. If they really care about safety over profits they would share all safety-related data and equipments and compete only based on non-essential comfort features. But yes, this news is fear-mongering. Self-driving cars have a track record of being far safer than any human drivers (despite not all of them being equally safe) so this is just nitpicking what is statistically insignificant. We don't hear about regular car accidents that much because they are too common. News always wants to report on what's unique and sensational to get viewers even if they paint the wrong overall picture.
That's only because humans can intervene when the machinery screws up, and it is happening more and more that the stories of human intervention are getting out. So the record of autonomous cars is effectively the record of human and machines working together.
Hmmmm is it more safe for a person who is drunk to drive home or having a self driving car being able to drive that drunk person home?
Ivan Hernandez Tesla had already had a drunk driver pass out behind the wheel.😪 It alerted the driver to grab the wheel. 😡 He was passed out so the car STOPPED ON IT OWN! 😊
Yep self driving cars are dangerous... 😂
What if the passager is sober but the car is drunk and swears it's able to drive itself home.
Jason B it pulled to the side of the road dumb ass.
Of course they're going to give ticket to the driver the company is not taking responsibility for that ticket
Brad Haughton Well since the car was driving it self I am shocked they didn't arrest it for driving without a license. Really doubt the car passed the written exam without any hands.
DemonTeddy bear exactly I'm very skeptical about autonomous cars I don't mind a little 3 but a level five we may see a lot of problems. The companies bottom line is money they're rushing this product
Brad Haughton What they should do is make sure the self driving cars are Wesley Snipes proof. I have seen Demolition Man. He totalled every Automatic Driving police car that got into range.
All old 90's joke aside. I agree they are rushing them without understanding that half of driving is anticipating what others are going to do. It may be able to report that someone is standing near the hood of their car, but will not be prepared to stop in case said person steps back into traffic while talking.
DemonTeddy bear but here's the crazy thing about that when they Rush product that tend to get better in less than 2 years the research and development take years but the actual products gets better in a short period of time. I don't think that's going to happen in this case we have going to be malfunctioning cars fast and manufacturers typically don't update their cars faster than cell phone you heard of Moore's Law you already know what that is about so i don't have to go into detail about that, technology always advanced
that woman that died would have died anyways even if it wasn't a self-driving the dash cam footage showed that he couldn't even see her until the car was like half a second away from hitting her so a normal driver wouldn't have been able to see her dark road ladies jaywalking of course she's going to get that had nothing to do with the fact that it was a self-driving car
They’re safer than normal cars and that lady would have died jumping in front of any car in the dark in an unmarked and unlit area without looking the one way she had to before crossing.
The car should have... ohh I don't know, noticed she was there and stopped? How stupid.
TheCynicalDouche yeah, the car should have stopped, however it’s not exactly a perfect technology yet, that is why we put drivers in the seat to take over.
Everett Kim and you were there to witness this huh the supposed vehicle was one see in the dark with the technology on it two the person monitoring it should have been paying attention three that person was walking a bicycle across the street not jumping unless you were there your input is not needed oh yeah by the way the police and judge ruled out that quotation of the woman jumping in front of that car and quote the safety operator should have been paying attention instead of looking down at her cell phone those cars have head lights on them so that driver if paying attention could have prevented that accident from happening and another thing I used to live near that intersection and drove up and down it regularly just because there is no street lights there at night it is not impossible to see the people walking along that street at night as long as people pay attention there
Everett Kim and no they are not safer by the way Everett Kim
Tyler Buckley they are indeed safer.
“According to Waymo’s monthly reports, its vehicles have been in two dozen crashes, only one of which was the fault of the Waymo’s vehicle. In that crash, it bumped a bus while going 2 miles per hour.”
www.google.com/amp/s/www.curbed.com/platform/amp/2016/9/21/12991696/driverless-cars-safety-pros-cons
“So that brings the tally to 13 minor fender-benders in more than 1.8 million miles of autonomous and manual driving - and still, not once was the self-driving car the cause of the accident.”
www.google.com/amp/bigthink.com/ideafeed/googles-self-driving-car-is-ridiculously-safe.amp
And what’s the solution? Did the company fight the ticket in court? Did they still have to pay?
Hilarious if the car said "i swear he was here a minute ago"
How can you pull over a self-driving car?
It shows a person walking; it shows a car moving. It doesn't show them both together.
I've been wrong before, but personally, I think the Police Officer wanted to give a car a ticket. Is that a first?
Compare how many self-driving car accidents vs human error accidents.
How does a cop pull over a self driving car follow it until it parks and find the human start a chase?
This is why no self driving car should ever be designed without a steering wheel and brake pedal.
Wats the use if you gotta watch out for things you might as well drive
Pathetic police extortion at it finest.
This is why I'm not worried about self driving tech taking jobs. Best used as a driver assist.
So the cop's eyes, POV and training said one thing, and the closer sensors and computers said something else. I wonder how the pedestrian felt? Or if the driver felt the car was doing something wrong? Interesting case.
Not all self driving cars have drivers
I would have hit the Arizona biker too if I was driving. He was wearing black at night going slowly across a busy street. If you can see them coming you dodge the cars coming especially at night not the other way around. It's like if you jump out of nowhere and only give the car 10 feet to break then of course your going to get hit
Lucas Fernandez Plus the safety driver wasn't paying attention...
This is what the road really looks like at night:
ua-cam.com/video/CRW0q8i3u6E/v-deo.html&lc=z22pvh3atniohv0qr04t1aokgfncp1hebaa4z1smubalrk0h00410.1521875147106513
Plus experts say a human would have seen her and stopped easily:
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-22/video-said-to-show-failure-of-uber-s-tech-in-fatal-arizona-crash
Seems there's a lot of fake info (maybe even fake dash cam) being put out by Uber to make it look unavoidable. Don't believe everything you read.
Hey boy genius it was a woman and you sure do not deserve the privilege of driving asshole I know that neighborhood there is not a cross walk for a mile away and don't tell me you don't cut across the street not in a cross walk cause you know you would be lying kid
Sam Purser wow you got a shot of the bridge that crosses over the river the area the lady was hit was not close to that area and was not on Mill itself
Inaccurate, error-prone police. RoboCops are necessary. Putting themselves out of the job, thank you!
ProgressNotProfit no only cops, but your job will be gone too. Than you can complain about autonomy again..
A real cop will give you a break if you just haven’t reached his own personal action level. Which can range from laziness to not liking the way you look. A robocop will cite you every time. You’ll be wishing for that fat traffic cop, but he’s gone. He’s been retired.
ClayZ except human cops can also kill your for no reason too
Dead or Alive I need your License and Registration - RoboCop during a traffic stop.
Tech: Where are you going?
Robometermaid: Somewhere a parking violation is happening.
Yes please! 1000x YES. Also RoboTSA
How do you pull the car over?
long live the manual transmission!!!!
TALKING HEAD: "In this case, the human test driver did everything right but the police still issued the ticket…"
Absolutely SHOCKING!!! Say it isn't so… :o my :(
How are these legal? No driver and no licence.
If it's not level 5, it's not self driving.
Nothing is immune from getting a ticket, nothing
What happens when we have fully autonomous self driving, driver free cars?
Does it have to get a driver's license like normal drivers?
If it gets a ticket, does it have to go to driving school?
If it gets too many points on its license from tickets, is it's license suspended?
Owner of the vehicle is fully liable to pay all fines and fees. In California, this is called "owner's responsibility"
@@NetAgent I'm talking about ride share free vehicles like the bikes.
What happens when a self driving cop tickets a self driving car?
why that woman was hit? question why was client in drivers place and what was he doing huh? And padestrian in mid freeway in black night. Person would have been killed in any way
why the random clip of the ferarri?
Going to make traffic cops mad as hell when ever car can show exactly what it was and wasn't doing before an "infraction" took place. Good luck coppers.
Some states have subjective measurements. In my state, you have to wait until the person is clear of the lane after yours or completely out of the street. Both of those distances come very wildly depending on the exact street being crossed.
Media need to check facts before presenting it... Volvo does not have self driving capability but they have "pilot assit" so it was a driver error not car.
As long as I live I'll never trust a computer to drive a car.
I hope the car doesnt have to go to court. That will be weird.
Is the car going to get a lawyer and fight it in court.If the car goes to court will it have to testify.Bet the cop says its lying.
So if am sitting on the passenger side who is going to get the ticket cuz I am not driving ?
Driver or not noticing would have been able to stop
😔
Now if the camera on the self driving car shows something different than what the police officer wrote, then the ticket MUST be dismissed. Police can lie on any of their reports and most tickets are totally dismissed. One reason the officer who wrote the ticket NEVER showed in court and ticket is thrown out under default.
The company should fight the ticket. Or the driver of the car for the company should fight the ticket, he/she was not physically driving the car.
Thanks it is not a TOYOTA !
how does Self Driving car know to pull over..?
How can there be a fair trial, I don't think the car can defend itself in a court of law.
Self driving cars disclaimer *Use at your own risk*
mistake #1 shouldn’t have been in San Francisco .
Do y’all really think the police gonna get rid of a Hugh revenue stream just because there are no drivers driving ? Nope they will find a reason
No seat belt is a good reason to get a ticket. Too much people inside a car, etc etc. Its not findimg a reason thats just law
We need self driving cars
People keep being injured beacuse of human error and drunkness
Your on opioids
The car itself cannot be ticketed for traffic infraction and the driver has to be ticketed. This ticket is clearly bogus
A parking infraction however could go to the company
When are we going to start using common sense. When are we going to be proactive instead of reactive
The driver in the uber self driving car was looking down on their phone?
Wait what? I have to pay the ticket because I paid for a ride but the Machine made the mistake?
The self driving Uber had LIDAR installed in its system and it’s a company that basically makes 360 cameras to see around but the thing is that it wasn’t the LIDAR’S fault after all it was the cars problem because LIDAR says that they’re product doesn’t drive the car it only sends commands to the system of the car
ElectricDrums4Life commands are what drive cars.
killed a woman and only gets a ticket? does your cell phone work right all time? these cars never will. makes drivers more lazy
What if it is fully autonomous how would he pull over that car ?
Ajay Anurag possibly a digital ticket, it wouldn’t be sent to the car owner tho. More likely the car creator.
The women that got hit,I think even if it was a human driver they will still hit her cause as yu saw in the video she was only detected when she was so close so there was no time to react cause it was dark ,and it’s also her fault because she didn’t use a crosswalk or make sure the car passed along before she crossed
Ive almost been hit twice by those cruise cars in the hills of San Francisco it didnt see me in front of it as it was pointing down going down a steep hill the other time i dodged one meginging into my lane didnt see me or didn't realize it was changing lanes
Proof?
I suppose I'm mildly curious if the hilly terrain of San Francisco slightly confuses such systems, hated driving there on the rare occasion I had to. Though the 10 feet or so mentioned in this video makes me question what exactly happened that made the cop write a ticket. Was the car anticipating the pedestrian leaving its path and beginning to inch forward? Pretty sure lots of regular drivers do that. But if they're doing it as a method of abundance of caution I suppose that's not too bad, perhaps tell the programmers not to do inching forward maneuvers and just wait until pedestrians are completely out of the way, maybe. Though that itself could delay traffic a few seconds beyond normal flows, since again regular drivers would probably just go once the pedestrian is out of their immediate path.
In short, need more information.
Try driving around San Francisco 40hrs a week youll run into these cars and notice the worse than average driving comming from these things they take too long to figure out whats going to happen next are bad at predicting everyones movement around it like a driver does
Jaime Mora ban them now
Mr X - it's called witness testimony.
Its not like regular cars dont have problems as a result of someones death?
They should outlaw self-driving cars! They are NOT foolproof!
So the self driving car gets a ticket in self driving mode but the so-called safety driver gets to pay the ticket, but hold on it wasn't the safety driver who got the ticket.
It was the car, the self driving mode sucks, it's dangerous don't blame others for the failure of the tech.
Some people have been warning about this since it first came out it's dangerous.
10.8 feet?? Where i live, sidewalks are like 5 feet away from the street......
Suspended the drivers license for a year.😂
Self driving cars should be GREAT for everyone...
So you won't have to deal with the officer bothering you for a license, and asking ehere you going..and where you coming from....and where do you work...and what do you do....and where do you live...and if you have any weapons in the vehicle.....also known as fishing.
And the invisible driver should go to court and be fined. The judge asked "Where's the invisible driver ? "
Would u rely on a self driven car? Or a human driven car? Btw wuts the point of getting ur drivers license if cars are now driving themselves?
Doe Doe I would rely on both.
Drivers licenses are still needed.
I believe even those who are being born now will be pressured to get a drivers license.
Not every car on the road is going to be self driving and even those that are will still need a dedicated driver for awhile.
Police fear can’t make their ticket quota once Autonomous cars are prevalent. So ticket them now before they get even better.
Apparently ya won't need DL in the future, since technically you're not driving.
Get those damn things OFF THE ROAD.
wow they really had to throw in “one day after an autonomous car KILLED pedestrian” ... the car got a ticket you drama queens
first of all...the woman killed was jaywalking which is already illegal in AZ and the self-driving car failed to detect a human being illegally jaywalking all while the passenger ((the person seating behind the wheel)) were on their phone the entire ride..maybe if she paid attention to the road and hit the brakes on that self-driving car, the woman would've still been alive
I believe that once there are some out on the highways, and if they ONLY do the speed limit; THAT is when people will get pissed off and force the gov't to ban them.
I know in my daily commute, the few people doing 50-55mph in the 55mph are causing the most danger, not the ~85% of the traffic doing 65-70mph.
First Last they will likely detect the speed of traffic around them, I doubt they will restrict themselves to a lower speed limit
I can't conceive of any automation company programming their vehicle to break the law, aka exceed the speed limit. Just from a legal liability stand point.
How did the car know it was being pulled over?
Tommy Northwood the human took control and pulled over in this situation.
In the future a new method will need to be created
That is the exactly data they (cruise) wanted.
Imagine getting in a Taxi and getting a ticket just because you're driver hit someone.
goes to show their tactics are questionable
Aparently the person who was killed by the self driving car illegally jaywalked over a street known to be busy. Who is really to blame for that accident? There are rules and in Canada, jaywalking is considered illegal. Not saying it was right what happened, but thag person should have been alot smarter than to jaywalk in the firat place. No driver can avoid stupid people, and self driving cars are better than most average drivers.
Autonomous vehicles will only work or work best if they have dedicated roadways that no one or nothing else is allowed on to.
at least this cop was smart, in nyc cops will give you a ticket for stopping for pedestrians near intersection.
People are crazy in 20 years were going to have laws where its illegal to not self drive. Its just a matter of time and how can the cop argue with data. 10ft away this shows how flawed a cops decision making can be.
Can the driver take the car to court after all it was the cars fault...shouldn't then the woman who died that driver should be punished
How do it know its getting pulled over 😳
10,8 feet ? Would the pedestrian have even noticed the car existed at that distance?
Justin Stojanoski-pearson that’s not a far distance
Most master bedrooms are larger than that
We've got so lazy that we can't even drive ourselves from point a to point b anymore!
Make all cars manual transmission and people will focus more on driving. When your stopped and your foot slips you won’t hit the car in front. If you can’t drive it you shouldn’t drive the 3000+ pound machine.
Self ticketing, self court defense, self pay fine! 😂
That’s a no no