Welp, sorry if I messed up Tier 1 Napalm death Carcass Pig Destroyer Wormrot Terrorizer Anal Cunt Tier 2 Ponk Siege Leftover crack Extreme noise Terror DOOM Godstomper Spazz Man is the Bastard NAILS Tier 3 metal Exhumed Insect Warfare Mortician Brutal Truth Repulsion Assück Flagitious Idiosyncrasy In The Dilapidation Tier 4 CyberGrind The Berserker We Came With Broken Teeth Gigantic Brain Reek of The Unzen Gas Fumes Cutting Pink With Knives Tier 5 Weirdo John Zorn (Naked City, PainKiller) Whourkr Full of Hell(Early) ENDON the Locust Tier 6 degenerate C&BT Last Days of Humanity Regurgitate GUT Meatshits Tier 7 Dead end Fear of God Sissy Spaceck Seth Star Sept The Gerogerigegege Kusarigama Kill Princess Army Wedding Combat My honorable mentions: Impetigo Dead Infection Birdflesh Blue Holocaust Lymphatic Phlegm Catasexual Urge Motivation
Main difference between goregrind and pornogrind other than lyrics is groove. Goregrind is closer to death metal and pornogrind is mostly punk beats. Pornogrind is also quite a bit more comedic, goregrind is just twisted
Yeah, pornogrind tends to be slower and groovier with fewer overt deathgrind elements, although there is some convergent evolution with slam in terms of the chunky riffing style despite the punkier drums. Both have the pitch-shifted vocal style and are heavily indebted to the likes of early Carcass, however, with goregrind kind of just being a whole subgenre of Carcass and Regurgitate fanboys, whereas pornogrind begins more with Gut.
@@brynjulfharfager6671 I kind of categorise gorenoise and its derivatives as their own thing, personally, with 7 Minutes of Nausea and Intestinal Disgorge being that particular style's true forefathers. But I do see your point about there being groovier goregrind bands here and there; I just personally associate that school more strongly with that Carcass worship deathgrind style where pornogrind to me feels more like punkified slam with extra groove, particularly the stuff taking off of Cock and Ball Torture's approach.
@@ConvincingPeople I guess porn and sex while taboo isn't as upsetting, morbid and aggressive as gore and this is reflected in the music of pornogrind being less abrasive and more comical
Saw Sissy Spacek a few months ago, the massive balls they had to hop on stage and with no introduction at all play the most inaccessible set to a room full of dorks waiting to see Blood Incantation was astounding, ended up buying all their music, they were also super chill dudes.
Sore Throat are worth a mention from the noisegrind/noisecore end of things. Their album 'Disgrace to the Corpse of Sid' has some truly bizarre and abstract qualities to it, and it came out in 1988.
Holy shit you covered Princess Army Wedding Combat! He originally started off with usual noisegrind with anime samples in like 2001, it's impressive to see his evolution. Ufocatcher is fucking crazy, dudes a legend honestly. I've been working on a split with him too so it makes me even more hype that you mentioned him
Looks like I have a lot of grind to check out. As someone who really enjoys what gnaw their tongues brings to the table in terms of audio depravity, thank you for introducing them to me by the way, I am cautiously excited for the real extremity that will be on display as I get toward the bottom of the iceberg. Thank you for giving me yet another laundry list of music to enjoy!
Thanks for this video. I always enjoy your iceberg videos and I hope to see more of it based on any sort of genre. I've known about several Grindcore bands but I've never drive into it deeply. I realized there's so much to discover in this genre. I always admired Grindcore for it's abstraction and creativity. Indeed, creativity has no boundaries. I'm glad you included Endon, Flagitious Idiosyncrasy in the Dilapidation and Sissy Specek.They are so underrated and deserves so much attention. You got me curious about bands like Princess Army Wedding Combat, Cutting Pink with Knives, We came with broken teeth and John Zorn. I blame you!
Sissy Spacek is one of the few bands I've seen break people who can normally enjoy extreme music, and to be fair I can't blame them. Really good iceberg video as well.
@@terminalglimmer i dont know for sure if Charlie is from Portland but he lived there for a while at least and played in a few rad bands. knelt rote is just fucking bananas
Just wanted to give you a shoutout man. I have been watching your channel for a minute, and I just wanted to thank you for introducing me to a lot of new bands and projects. You and Goniloc are the real ones!
Thank you for including Naked City and Cutting Pink With Knives! I was big into "weird" music back in the day and wanted to revisit some bands. Those two sound so fresh and interesting I can't stop listening now. To me grindcore and black metal have always been the most fertile soil for experimentation. Sweden's Birdflesh is also one of my favorites because of how fun and wacky they are. For those new to grind who want to check out more bands, I suggest Nasum and Rotten Sound (Most of the other great bands were already mentioned in the comments). Lord Gore and Haemorrhage also used to play some good goregrind.
Dude, I love these vids. Thank you so much for helping me to discover Cutting Pink with Knives-that is some of the coolest and most unique stuff I've heard in quite a while. I mean, there's a lot of unique shit out there now like Imperial Triumphant, but I can't really handle listening to that for more than a song. Cutting Pink with Knives on the other hand is actually really enjoyable
This was a really solid chart. A few bands missing that I really think should have been on here-Agathocles, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Cephalic Carnage, Genghis Tron, Intestinal Disgorge-but you also covered quite a few which I hoped you would but actually didn't expect. Fear of God and Princess Army Wedding Combat were particularly good pulls from the back pocket. Oh! Fun fact: Dave Phillips of Fear of God later went on to become a dark ambient and field recording artist under his own name, including a noise remix album of his old grind material entitled The Hermeneutics of Fear of God. He's also part of the Schimpfluch-Gruppe, a circle of audiovisual performance artists formed in Geneva which includes the infamous Rudolf Eb.er, alias Runzelstirn & Gurgelstøck, whose album Asshole/Snail Dilemma is… unlike anything you'll ever hear. It has the harsh noise artist Masonna on it at one point, and that's one of the *tame* moments.
Early 2000's/ late 90's had a massive movement of these acts (just grab any relapse records comp from the era lol), to the point where it was over saturated. Just seeing this list made me think of C carnage and AN (who did an absolutely EPIC split record with converge).
I basically came here to say that, needs to mention genghis tron and agoraphobic nosebleed especially genghis in the cybergrind context. The biggest crime in this otherwise great video is not bringing up terrorizer in the first tier or at least metal grind tier.
Haha love these iceberg dives, you and Goniloc do it right. Some of my faves in variable sub-forms/ subgenres are: The Day Everything Became Nothing ("Brutal" is such a killer album) Insect Warfare (they're just great!) Foetopsy ("In the Bathroom" is a hilarious and brutal album, great dudes from the Midwest/ Milwaukee scene) Pigsty (because Pig squeals, narrows out Nuclear Vomit for me) Putrid Pile (Shawn does it right for one-man Deathgrind) Gutalax (funniest grooviest ShitGrind mastery lol) Absoranie Bogom (pretty "obscure" outfit but they're great) Face Fucking Frenzy (newer act from the Midwest scene, great dudes, I've collaborated with them before but they just make some zany and heavy stuff) Torsofuck ('nuff said) Lymphatic Phlegm (best Brazilian Pathological Grind outfit) Tetragrammicide (excellent fusion Grind/ War Metal/ Black Metal/ Industrial and Experimental noise terror outfit from India, many may debate their "place" in classification but they definitely have elements therein variably) Rompeprop (we all know why lmao) There's so many great and terrible acts to really narrow it down to the most subjectively enjoyable, but those are some of mine-- not big on the political garbage, much more akin to the esoteric and degen with Grind hahahahahaaha. Nice name drop with the Locust too, fun stuff there, they've got a decent following in both the Grind and Post-Rock communities, Last Days of Humanity rips too nice drop. And Cock and Ball Torture hellyeah hahaha! Could also drop Spermswamp, because it's just ridiculous and hilarious, same with Cemetery R*pist and Carnal Diafragma. (I also play in the degen Grind outfit Beer Enema, one of many projects just for kicks hah)
@@ManuSDP Yes!!! Love those guys, saw them many times back in the day haha, they're a perfect blend of Deathgrind and Goregrind. So many gems out there!
@@user-ct7gi1yt8k well that's a matter of opinion, but why do you think that? I appreciate the effort he puts in the genre vids and his support of many an underground acts (including mine)
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary alright, I’ve only watched his “bastardized history of ~” series and personally his video might be funny but lacks substance in my opinion but like you said, it’s only a matter of opinion.
Great video! I’m not sure familiar with a lot of grindcore outside of the big names (Napalm Death, Full Of Hell, Insect Warfare, etc), so this is gonna help a ton! One subgenre of grindcore that I am really familiar with is mathgrind though. If I were to make a tier for it, I would include (early) Genghis Tron, Ion Dissonance, Fawn Limbs, As the Sun Sets/early Daughters, and maybe “MMX” by War From a Harlot’s Mouth.
These iceberg vids are what brought me to your channel; I’m a new subscriber so thanks for winning over my short attention span with helluvawesome content, you rock dude 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
I’m always on the look out for new music I’ve not heard before, and I really wish that you would have included some snippets of music from the bands you talk about when you talk about them, so we (the uninitiated) have an example what they sound like. 👍🏼
I am pleasantly surprised at how many bands throughout the tiers I actually knew. It’s interesting that you consider the noise elements of ROTUGF a subset of industrial influence. I would have never thought of it. Imma have to check out sete star sept
Great list. Sissy Spacek are very unique in that they conflate Musique Concretè with Grindcore, which have a surprising amount of similarities. Also if you enjoy jazz style grind, Mats Gustafson had a great group called The Thing which at times, has grind type moments. Also, Last Exit and Zü are worth checking out
I think Insect Warfare should be tier 1 now. I have gone to grindcore shows for a little over 10 years, long after the band had already called it quits, and I have never once in my life gone to a single show where there aren't at least one or two peeps running around with an Insect Warfare shirt. I've been to shows where I didn't notice any Pig Destroyer or even Napalm Death shirts, but IW? Never, which is pretty impressive.
Good vid man and a few bands I will check out from it. Some big names I think you missed were Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Nasum and the original "Rocky Mountain Hydro Grinders" Cephalic Carnage.
...or Fck the Facts, or Gadget, or France's Blockheads, Leng Tch'e, Phobia, Rotten Sound, Antigama, etc. Relapse label was how i was introduced to these - and other - amazing bands, they were once a powerhouse label for grindcore and extreme death...
there are so many bands that deserves mentioning here, cause grind is such a rich genre with a vast list of subgenres and a great number of creative artists and bands, also lots of ways to mix it up with other genres, but for today gorgonized dorks is my recommendation. i love grind bands that make a lot of splits, thats why i love noisegrind and mincecore bands, in the vein of agathocles, i really dont know how these bands can release so many stuff.
Thanks for this video, I’m trying to get more into Grindcore and this iceberg will prove very useful Also, where would you place Melt-Banana? I guess they’re more noise rock but I see people labelling them as grindcore a lot
i'd like to state that the band "united mutation" was doing the whole "proto-grind" genre before siege, i always put siege in with powerviolence but your video is very well thought out and loved by many...i give you INSANE props my dude
Nice video, mate! I'd like to add one. It's russian cybergrind one-man project called "Взрыв кабачка в коляске с поносом". Translates to something like "explosion of a squash in a wheelchair with diarrhea" Sounds quite nasty and degenerate to my ear, but surprisingly entertaining.
Yesssss The Locust! What's epic about your explanation is that I actually stumbled unto The Locust and The Residents around the same time. Thanks for bringing those crazy fuckers up! 🤘
I think one major goregrind bordering on noise at times band is Lymphatic Phlegm. That stuff is nuts. Check the first track on their first demo "Manifestation Of Purulent Cystical Bacillosis In The Internal Ligaments Of The Bile Visicle" to hear the jangly bass, and "Inflamatory Fermentation Of The Gastric Tissue" for the weird-as-hell guitar tone and ultra pitch shifted vocals.
Oh i gotta see this. Updating this comment after viewing. I’ve never really noticed but I’ve kinda haven’t really taken a serious dive into Pornogrind and Cybergrind. Those sub genres always never caught my interest. However the few stuff I have heard kinda happened on accident cause it was included in like a comp or random playlist. Also I’d argue that, in recent times at least, Machine Girl has been dabbling with elements of Grindcore/Cybergrind with the added drummer. Definitely gonna be checking out some of the projects here. I’m very curious about the Synthpop and Grindcore fusion. I fucking love Grindcore. Forever will be my favorite genre. Great video bro! 🤘IN GRIND WE CRUST 🤘
For those who don't know them i strongly suggest the italians Cripple Bastards, expecially Misantropo a Senso Unico (2000) and Variante alla Morte (2008). They would fit quite well in Tier 2, at least these two albums
young man, i was getting into grind as far as 1991 and i am impressed by this level of knowledge you have. plus who else knows about endon? i heard metal trenches podcast on grind and their knowledge is suface level at best.
I would have loved to see Concrete Sox, Discordance Axis, Electro Hippies, Unholy Grave, Larm, and Plutocracy Only so much space on the list though and a fun watch, thanks for the vid!
I've been listening to CPWK since forever now, haha. I'm so glad you mentioned them. What about bands like The Sawtooth Grin and Genghis Tron? Two of my favorite grind adjacent bands.
One I would throw in the category with C&BT is Torsofuck! Raped by Elephants is one I will never forget hearing for the first time at the age of 15....
Great video, enjoying all your content. Imo Repulsion would be tier 0 or 1 instead of 3, if it wasn't for the scratch bass tracks and that specific sound, grind wouldn't be what it is today
Great to see Gigantic Brain get a mention, I found the invasion discography on grindcore karaoke back in 2011 and fell in love immediately. It blends grindcore with an apocalyptic sci-fi/horror feel like I've never heard anyone reproduce since!
I m not a complete specialist of Grindcore nevertheless i like a lot listen to it some times. I saw Napalm Death live 2 months ago. About your video it is great the way you present it: it s so fun. You make me want to listen to all the bands...
Would loved mentions like Nasum, Cripple bastards, Rotten Sound, Birdflesh and Agoraphobic nosebleed in the chart. But solid list, it shows you have listened to many grind bands for sure. Many in the list i love and some i have never heard before.
Hey. I am a massive fan of cyber grind and I just gotta say my fav cybergrind esk musicians. Those being atari teenage riot, drul 131, rabbit junk, schizoid and machine girl.
Really good video, also, I think you forget some mentions, like how black flag and nomeansno influence in pornogrind and GG allin in Seth Putnam, libido airbag as the first cyber grind and old as proto cybergrind and xavleg.... Because the name and how mix goregrind and brutal death metal with jazz or surf.
Discordance Axis is one I would throw in there. And probably The Sawtooth Grin. Definitely hella grind influences, and inspired other great bands in mathcore/grindcore
To add a band to the cybergrind tier, OLD (or old lady drivers). Pretty wild band and were early on the cybergrind wave with "Lo Flux Tube" in 1992. Started off as a bit of a fad band with their S/T, turned cybergrind with the second release, followed it up with a wild album that I can only describe as "progressive cybergrind" and then capped off their legacy with this weird industrial indie album. Big rec.
Little surprised I didn't see Kraanium or Parasitic Ejaculation on the "Degenerate Grind" level, but this is an awesome video! Thanks for uploading this!
BRO! I nearly forgot about wecamewithbrokenteeth! It was honestly the MySpace days around 10 yo finding extreme music. My influences outside of it were just people I knew. I grew in a small town. My parents were metal heads and introduced me to King Diamond, Marylin Manson, and Metallica. My friends were just into radio rock. Finding MySpace metal was like having someone come up behind me and drive an icepick into my through my ears in the best possible way and qued my descent into everything musically extreme.
I stumbled onto 'Escuela Grind' a few months ago (before I knew any grindcore) and that blew my mind. I've explored more since then -- mostly Napalm Death and Tier 1 -- but all that seems melodic compared to some of those wild bands in Tier 7. 'Princess Army' and 'The Gerogerigegege' are especially zany. Cheers.
AxCx have made actual normal songs which ironically just called like Song5, Song6, song8 etc...Seth also sang in southern trendkill by pantera and they also made a cover version of that song. Also shout out to Pissgrave and (my personal favorite) Blue holocaust - Black Gloved Sadist. I also would say That Impetigo Ultimo mondo canibale is one of my all time favorite death metal albums. Would not really call them grind even though they have really fast chaotic sections like mortician kinda sound to them. Though mortician is just death metal. And while I got your attention AxCx's Defenders of the hate is probably one of the best grindcore albums ever, its up there with the goregrind of the first two carcass albums.
Seth was also in a few bands that sounded like AxCx before he started that band in 1988. There was one called "The Losers" which started in 1980 and another one that started in 1985 called "Screaming Gore Guts" (you can find their demo on youtube).
Was glad to say I found a sh-tton of the Locust and Cock and Balls Torture over on YT Red and yes they were insane and ridiculous and great and I managed to shoehorn them onto my Grindcore playlist. Thanks as always !
One of the first with LDOH is Japanese Gore Beyond Necropsy which plays goregrind but also noicore (noise-a-go-go): check it out and you know where Insect Warfare got their mojo.
oh my god ive never seen anyone bring up cutting pink with knives, that Oh Wow! album is legit in my top 20 of all time and the later stuff is still good but not AS crazy, props for the CPWK mention and cybergrind as a whole is making a weird comeback lately with labels like kitty on fire records and big money cybergrind, i always loved how they never seemed to take themselves as seriously as a lot of other metal stuff
Last Days of Humanity is probably the most extreme band of all time. In Advanced Hemorrhaging Conditions and Putrefaction in Progress are two of the most extreme albums ever made. Best Goregrind band of all time in my personal opinion
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Welp, sorry if I messed up
Tier 1
Napalm death
Carcass
Pig Destroyer
Wormrot
Terrorizer
Anal Cunt
Tier 2 Ponk
Siege
Leftover crack
Extreme noise Terror
DOOM
Godstomper
Spazz
Man is the Bastard
NAILS
Tier 3 metal
Exhumed
Insect Warfare
Mortician
Brutal Truth
Repulsion
Assück
Flagitious Idiosyncrasy In The Dilapidation
Tier 4 CyberGrind
The Berserker
We Came With Broken Teeth
Gigantic Brain
Reek of The Unzen Gas Fumes
Cutting Pink With Knives
Tier 5 Weirdo
John Zorn (Naked City, PainKiller)
Whourkr
Full of Hell(Early)
ENDON
the Locust
Tier 6 degenerate
C&BT
Last Days of Humanity
Regurgitate
GUT
Meatshits
Tier 7 Dead end
Fear of God
Sissy Spaceck
Seth Star Sept
The Gerogerigegege
Kusarigama Kill
Princess Army Wedding Combat
My honorable mentions:
Impetigo
Dead Infection
Birdflesh
Blue Holocaust
Lymphatic Phlegm
Catasexual Urge Motivation
Your honorable mentions are spot on.
Your only mess-up was mispelling "punk" as "ponk". Thanks for writing out the list.
@@anonymoususer855 and "Sete Star Sept"
@@atgod6 good catch. I hadn't noticed that one.
a bit surprised there was no agoraphobic nosebleed in the cybergrind part
Main difference between goregrind and pornogrind other than lyrics is groove. Goregrind is closer to death metal and pornogrind is mostly punk beats. Pornogrind is also quite a bit more comedic, goregrind is just twisted
Honestly thanks for explaining the differences between the two !
Yeah, pornogrind tends to be slower and groovier with fewer overt deathgrind elements, although there is some convergent evolution with slam in terms of the chunky riffing style despite the punkier drums. Both have the pitch-shifted vocal style and are heavily indebted to the likes of early Carcass, however, with goregrind kind of just being a whole subgenre of Carcass and Regurgitate fanboys, whereas pornogrind begins more with Gut.
You have both in both, gore groove and gorenoise is a thing, just as deranged porno noisecore and pornogroove is a thing as well.
@@brynjulfharfager6671 I kind of categorise gorenoise and its derivatives as their own thing, personally, with 7 Minutes of Nausea and Intestinal Disgorge being that particular style's true forefathers. But I do see your point about there being groovier goregrind bands here and there; I just personally associate that school more strongly with that Carcass worship deathgrind style where pornogrind to me feels more like punkified slam with extra groove, particularly the stuff taking off of Cock and Ball Torture's approach.
@@ConvincingPeople I guess porn and sex while taboo isn't as upsetting, morbid and aggressive as gore and this is reflected in the music of pornogrind being less abrasive and more comical
Saw Sissy Spacek a few months ago, the massive balls they had to hop on stage and with no introduction at all play the most inaccessible set to a room full of dorks waiting to see Blood Incantation was astounding, ended up buying all their music, they were also super chill dudes.
What’s wrong with Blood Incantation
@@Signal_in_the_noise nothing at all, love them, just definitely have a different audience than Siss
@@joeperry6707 cut my limbs off to see those two back to back like that
John Wiese of SS is one of the best noise artists ever
Came here to say that S.S main man John Wiese is phenomenal. Check out his solo stuff. Noise but more a more eclectic sound where anything can happen
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The way you sound perfectly in sync with the music in the background is incredible
Sore Throat are worth a mention from the noisegrind/noisecore end of things. Their album 'Disgrace to the Corpse of Sid' has some truly bizarre and abstract qualities to it, and it came out in 1988.
I would agree with Sore Throat. In my opinion their earlier “death to capitalist hardcore” 7” leans more to the grind/fast sound
Holy shit you covered Princess Army Wedding Combat! He originally started off with usual noisegrind with anime samples in like 2001, it's impressive to see his evolution. Ufocatcher is fucking crazy, dudes a legend honestly. I've been working on a split with him too so it makes me even more hype that you mentioned him
PAWC is definitely one of the highlights in this list. Can't wait to listen both of your new stuff when the time comes.
nice pfp
i was gonna do a split with PAWC back in the 2000's but he was super weird lol
@@katoffeevhs9798 what happened? a lot of time has passed but hes super chill
Looks like I have a lot of grind to check out. As someone who really enjoys what gnaw their tongues brings to the table in terms of audio depravity, thank you for introducing them to me by the way, I am cautiously excited for the real extremity that will be on display as I get toward the bottom of the iceberg. Thank you for giving me yet another laundry list of music to enjoy!
Thanks for this video. I always enjoy your iceberg videos and I hope to see more of it based on any sort of genre.
I've known about several Grindcore bands but I've never drive into it deeply. I realized there's so much to discover in this genre. I always admired Grindcore for it's abstraction and creativity. Indeed, creativity has no boundaries. I'm glad you included Endon, Flagitious Idiosyncrasy in the Dilapidation and Sissy Specek.They are so underrated and deserves so much attention. You got me curious about bands like Princess Army Wedding Combat, Cutting Pink with Knives, We came with broken teeth and John Zorn. I blame you!
John Zorn's bands Naked City and Painkiller is some s-tier Avant garde albums for metalheads Also, checkout Praxis
Sissy Spacek is one of the few bands I've seen break people who can normally enjoy extreme music, and to be fair I can't blame them.
Really good iceberg video as well.
Good stuff
I fucking love Sissy Spacek. Saw them last year and they were extraordinary. Fist-bumped John Wiese twice. Really nice man.
Charlie, the drummer, used to be in the band on his shirt. If you’re not familiar look up knelt rote. Super fucking brutal and terrifying hahaha
@@skinnee oh what the fuck, didn't know there was a Spacek/Knelt Rote connection!!!
@@terminalglimmer i dont know for sure if Charlie is from Portland but he lived there for a while at least and played in a few rad bands. knelt rote is just fucking bananas
Just wanted to give you a shoutout man. I have been watching your channel for a minute, and I just wanted to thank you for introducing me to a lot of new bands and projects. You and Goniloc are the real ones!
My band toured with Sete Star Sept, so after many nights of watching them play "the same set" I can confirm that at least 20 seconds is recognisable 😃
Thank you for including Naked City and Cutting Pink With Knives! I was big into "weird" music back in the day and wanted to revisit some bands. Those two sound so fresh and interesting I can't stop listening now. To me grindcore and black metal have always been the most fertile soil for experimentation.
Sweden's Birdflesh is also one of my favorites because of how fun and wacky they are. For those new to grind who want to check out more bands, I suggest Nasum and Rotten Sound (Most of the other great bands were already mentioned in the comments). Lord Gore and Haemorrhage also used to play some good goregrind.
You're good at the iceberg format and I'm very entertained by it, I think you keep doing these for sure
Your cybergrind tier and the more metal side of grind tier really enlighten me and benefited my life thank you
Love seeing these metal iceberg videos! Keep up the good work dude
This is the best video yet , watching your facial expressions, when you're saying some of the names, are hilarious. Love this channel. Cheers
fuck yes man iceberg videos are so entertaining. mix them with metal and you get the perfect video. thanks dude
Dude, I love these vids. Thank you so much for helping me to discover Cutting Pink with Knives-that is some of the coolest and most unique stuff I've heard in quite a while. I mean, there's a lot of unique shit out there now like Imperial Triumphant, but I can't really handle listening to that for more than a song. Cutting Pink with Knives on the other hand is actually really enjoyable
Well done Sir! Great descriptions and gives me new bands I’ve never heard of. 👍
Based and grindcore-pilled
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Cringe for the cringe throne
This was a really solid chart. A few bands missing that I really think should have been on here-Agathocles, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Cephalic Carnage, Genghis Tron, Intestinal Disgorge-but you also covered quite a few which I hoped you would but actually didn't expect. Fear of God and Princess Army Wedding Combat were particularly good pulls from the back pocket.
Oh! Fun fact: Dave Phillips of Fear of God later went on to become a dark ambient and field recording artist under his own name, including a noise remix album of his old grind material entitled The Hermeneutics of Fear of God. He's also part of the Schimpfluch-Gruppe, a circle of audiovisual performance artists formed in Geneva which includes the infamous Rudolf Eb.er, alias Runzelstirn & Gurgelstøck, whose album Asshole/Snail Dilemma is… unlike anything you'll ever hear. It has the harsh noise artist Masonna on it at one point, and that's one of the *tame* moments.
Early 2000's/ late 90's had a massive movement of these acts (just grab any relapse records comp from the era lol), to the point where it was over saturated. Just seeing this list made me think of C carnage and AN (who did an absolutely EPIC split record with converge).
I basically came here to say that, needs to mention genghis tron and agoraphobic nosebleed especially genghis in the cybergrind context. The biggest crime in this otherwise great video is not bringing up terrorizer in the first tier or at least metal grind tier.
oh and fucking gridlink and discordance axis
@@RiverNihildiscordance axis is in entry grind
@@blrolz3544this comp kills fascists 1 and 2
Haha love these iceberg dives, you and Goniloc do it right.
Some of my faves in variable sub-forms/ subgenres are:
The Day Everything Became Nothing ("Brutal" is such a killer album)
Insect Warfare (they're just great!)
Foetopsy ("In the Bathroom" is a hilarious and brutal album, great dudes from the Midwest/ Milwaukee scene)
Pigsty (because Pig squeals, narrows out Nuclear Vomit for me)
Putrid Pile (Shawn does it right for one-man Deathgrind)
Gutalax (funniest grooviest ShitGrind mastery lol)
Absoranie Bogom (pretty "obscure" outfit but they're great)
Face Fucking Frenzy (newer act from the Midwest scene, great dudes, I've collaborated with them before but they just make some zany and heavy stuff)
Torsofuck ('nuff said)
Lymphatic Phlegm (best Brazilian Pathological Grind outfit)
Tetragrammicide (excellent fusion Grind/ War Metal/ Black Metal/ Industrial and Experimental noise terror outfit from India, many may debate their "place" in classification but they definitely have elements therein variably)
Rompeprop (we all know why lmao)
There's so many great and terrible acts to really narrow it down to the most subjectively enjoyable, but those are some of mine-- not big on the political garbage, much more akin to the esoteric and degen with Grind hahahahahaaha. Nice name drop with the Locust too, fun stuff there, they've got a decent following in both the Grind and Post-Rock communities, Last Days of Humanity rips too nice drop. And Cock and Ball Torture hellyeah hahaha! Could also drop Spermswamp, because it's just ridiculous and hilarious, same with Cemetery R*pist and Carnal Diafragma.
(I also play in the degen Grind outfit Beer Enema, one of many projects just for kicks hah)
Dude yes fucking Foetopsy! Brutal deathgrind has an extremely underrated bunch of bands
@@ManuSDP Yes!!! Love those guys, saw them many times back in the day haha, they're a perfect blend of Deathgrind and Goregrind. So many gems out there!
Goniloc sucks
@@user-ct7gi1yt8k well that's a matter of opinion, but why do you think that? I appreciate the effort he puts in the genre vids and his support of many an underground acts (including mine)
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary alright, I’ve only watched his “bastardized history of ~” series and personally his video might be funny but lacks substance in my opinion but like you said, it’s only a matter of opinion.
Hell yeah I’ve been looking so long for a video like this on grindcore great video
Great video! I’m not sure familiar with a lot of grindcore outside of the big names (Napalm Death, Full Of Hell, Insect Warfare, etc), so this is gonna help a ton!
One subgenre of grindcore that I am really familiar with is mathgrind though. If I were to make a tier for it, I would include (early) Genghis Tron, Ion Dissonance, Fawn Limbs, As the Sun Sets/early Daughters, and maybe “MMX” by War From a Harlot’s Mouth.
These iceberg vids are what brought me to your channel; I’m a new subscriber so thanks for winning over my short attention span with helluvawesome content, you rock dude 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Iceberg charts are good and gives insight, love the work Wyatt 🤘
Thanks for turning me onto berzerker its some really cool shit love your videos and been on a small binge recently
Very cool to see support for Knelt Rote, one of my favourite discoveries last year!
Great idea! Love this concept👌
I’m always on the look out for new music I’ve not heard before, and I really wish that you would have included some snippets of music from the bands you talk about when you talk about them, so we (the uninitiated) have an example what they sound like. 👍🏼
Bruh, you literally read my mind about what video i wanted to see from you
I enjoy your ice berg charts. I always end up listening to all the bands you list
Great list! I'm not a grindcore especialist, so I learned a lot. I'd add 1 more band, though: Cattle Decapitation in tier 1.
I'd say Cattle Decapitation fits more in tier 3.
Dude that Endon record is so fucking badass. I’m gonna keep looking up bands you talk about.
making a project on metal genres. so in advance before my research thank you for these kinds of videos
I am pleasantly surprised at how many bands throughout the tiers I actually knew. It’s interesting that you consider the noise elements of ROTUGF a subset of industrial influence. I would have never thought of it. Imma have to check out sete star sept
Through The Mirror and MAMA by Endon.. Ohhh so so good.. Thank you for introducing me to them!
Also not to mention Flagitious Idiosyncrasy.. kicks ass too
Great list. Sissy Spacek are very unique in that they conflate Musique Concretè with Grindcore, which have a surprising amount of similarities. Also if you enjoy jazz style grind, Mats Gustafson had a great group called The Thing which at times, has grind type moments. Also, Last Exit and Zü are worth checking out
15:02. Mr. Bungle didn’t just take influence from John Zorn, but John also produced their first album.
I think Insect Warfare should be tier 1 now. I have gone to grindcore shows for a little over 10 years, long after the band had already called it quits, and I have never once in my life gone to a single show where there aren't at least one or two peeps running around with an Insect Warfare shirt. I've been to shows where I didn't notice any Pig Destroyer or even Napalm Death shirts, but IW? Never, which is pretty impressive.
At least they’re finally getting the appreciation they deserve. IW is such an amazing band
Totally agreed. They are also definitly not Deathgrind, just straight up, pure Grind.
Just throwing out Italy's Crippled Bastards for a legit tier 2/honorable mention. Great video !
Man you know there ain't no such thing as leftover crack...
Of course there is, I stole it from the choking victim. ;)
Hahaha wow 😆 now i have a few interesting projects to check out. Your services have been much appreciated.
Great vid dude u look like metalhead quinton reviews n i love that, subbed
There's a real oddball called Phyllomedusa which is your expected grindnoise but with a bunch of frog samples
I was WAITING for you to name drop Gigantic Brain within the Cybergrind category, his shit after the Invasion Discography is honestly fucking dope af.
This is a great one to do - thank you for this .
Good vid man and a few bands I will check out from it. Some big names I think you missed were Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Nasum and the original "Rocky Mountain Hydro Grinders" Cephalic Carnage.
And no mention of magrudergrind
...or Fck the Facts, or Gadget, or France's Blockheads, Leng Tch'e, Phobia, Rotten Sound, Antigama, etc. Relapse label was how i was introduced to these - and other - amazing bands, they were once a powerhouse label for grindcore and extreme death...
Always find cool shit from your channel. Dope
there are so many bands that deserves mentioning here, cause grind is such a rich genre with a vast list of subgenres and a great number of creative artists and bands, also lots of ways to mix it up with other genres, but for today gorgonized dorks is my recommendation. i love grind bands that make a lot of splits, thats why i love noisegrind and mincecore bands, in the vein of agathocles, i really dont know how these bands can release so many stuff.
A band I can recommend is T.O.O.H, great progressive Grindcore
Nice, forgot about them, they're definitely on the iceberg.
Love this band
Kálí na ně kálí!
Yussss. This band is like Atheist and Grindcore having a baby. Also slight primus feel at times? Such a crazy band
Order and punishment is 10/10
Great video!
Did I miss a mention of Agathocles? Def. should be mentioned (in the "The Punk Side of" segment?) .
Thanks for this video, I’m trying to get more into Grindcore and this iceberg will prove very useful
Also, where would you place Melt-Banana? I guess they’re more noise rock but I see people labelling them as grindcore a lot
Besides the vocals they can count of having Grind influence I’d say they’re in the Oddball tier
i'd like to state that the band "united mutation" was doing the whole "proto-grind" genre before siege, i always put siege in with powerviolence but your video is very well thought out and loved by many...i give you INSANE props my dude
I’m going to have to go back to United Mutation as I never picked up on the proto-grind element. Haven’t listened to them in years. Thanks
great video really wish you would mentione skrams/emoviolence bands like orchid, pageninetynine and jeromes dream
Early FoH is underated.
Also Konflict, the perfect balance of noise/grind.
Konflict rules
The musical equivalent of an air strike basically
For me the perfect balance of noise/grind is probably Tumor's Splattered Human Goulash, that thing is brutal and unmatched.
Nice video, mate! I'd like to add one. It's russian cybergrind one-man project called "Взрыв кабачка в коляске с поносом". Translates to something like "explosion of a squash in a wheelchair with diarrhea" Sounds quite nasty and degenerate to my ear, but surprisingly entertaining.
Yesssss The Locust! What's epic about your explanation is that I actually stumbled unto The Locust and The Residents around the same time. Thanks for bringing those crazy fuckers up! 🤘
I think one major goregrind bordering on noise at times band is Lymphatic Phlegm. That stuff is nuts. Check the first track on their first demo "Manifestation Of Purulent Cystical Bacillosis In The Internal Ligaments Of The Bile Visicle" to hear the jangly bass, and "Inflamatory Fermentation Of The Gastric Tissue" for the weird-as-hell guitar tone and ultra pitch shifted vocals.
They’re great! Have you heard the new one they did?
@@ManuSDP not yet, hoping to get the disc from Grindfather at some point.
Hell yeah, Lymphatic Phlegm are legend! And very kind guys, used to be pen-pals with them.
@@ManuSDP it's so good!
thank you for this one! only bands I missed would babe Agathocles and early Cattle Decapitation. Subscribed anyway :-)
Oh i gotta see this.
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I’ve never really noticed but I’ve kinda haven’t really taken a serious dive into Pornogrind and Cybergrind. Those sub genres always never caught my interest. However the few stuff I have heard kinda happened on accident cause it was included in like a comp or random playlist. Also I’d argue that, in recent times at least, Machine Girl has been dabbling with elements of Grindcore/Cybergrind with the added drummer. Definitely gonna be checking out some of the projects here. I’m very curious about the Synthpop and Grindcore fusion.
I fucking love Grindcore. Forever will be my favorite genre. Great video bro!
🤘IN GRIND WE CRUST 🤘
For those who don't know them i strongly suggest the italians Cripple Bastards, expecially Misantropo a Senso Unico (2000) and Variante alla Morte (2008). They would fit quite well in Tier 2, at least these two albums
thanks for the painkiller input, awesome!
Best powerviolence groups - Man Is The Bastard and Crossed Out. Great video.
A very decent video! Speaking of Sete Star Sept, check out the new split with them, which I've released yesterday via my label.
young man, i was getting into grind as far as 1991 and i am impressed by this level of knowledge you have. plus who else knows about endon? i heard metal trenches podcast on grind and their knowledge is suface level at best.
That dude said Brutal Truth was a forgotten Grindcore band
Lol that guy is all about crappy clickbait videos
@@wyattxhim yes it is lol. they should stick to hot topic. you have a sub.
i cant wait for a death metal one :) c'mon Wyatt you know its inevitable
I would have loved to see Concrete Sox, Discordance Axis, Electro Hippies, Unholy Grave, Larm, and Plutocracy
Only so much space on the list though and a fun watch, thanks for the vid!
Massive props for shouting out FID and Sete Star Sept, two of the best contemporary artists in the genre.
this is really a fantastic video
I've been listening to CPWK since forever now, haha. I'm so glad you mentioned them. What about bands like The Sawtooth Grin and Genghis Tron? Two of my favorite grind adjacent bands.
Cutting Pink With Knives mentioned. I have subbed.
One I would throw in the category with C&BT is Torsofuck! Raped by Elephants is one I will never forget hearing for the first time at the age of 15....
Recently blasted that to my non metalhead friends on a friday afternoon in a public park
Great video, enjoying all your content. Imo Repulsion would be tier 0 or 1 instead of 3, if it wasn't for the scratch bass tracks and that specific sound, grind wouldn't be what it is today
Great to see Gigantic Brain get a mention, I found the invasion discography on grindcore karaoke back in 2011 and fell in love immediately. It blends grindcore with an apocalyptic sci-fi/horror feel like I've never heard anyone reproduce since!
I m not a complete specialist of Grindcore nevertheless i like a lot listen to it some times. I saw Napalm Death live 2 months ago. About your video it is great the way you present it: it s so fun. You make me want to listen to all the bands...
Would loved mentions like Nasum, Cripple bastards, Rotten Sound, Birdflesh and Agoraphobic nosebleed in the chart. But solid list, it shows you have listened to many grind bands for sure. Many in the list i love and some i have never heard before.
Great description of goregrind/pornogrind vocals! Lol
Thanks for the recs!!!
Very nice video sir! I would of mentioned phyllomedusa and le scrawl in the weirdo tier.
Hey. I am a massive fan of cyber grind and I just gotta say my fav cybergrind esk musicians. Those being atari teenage riot, drul 131, rabbit junk, schizoid and machine girl.
Very interesting. Thanx.
Will you also do death metal ice berg chart video? That would be very interesting!
Really good video, also, I think you forget some mentions, like how black flag and nomeansno influence in pornogrind and GG allin in Seth Putnam, libido airbag as the first cyber grind and old as proto cybergrind and xavleg.... Because the name and how mix goregrind and brutal death metal with jazz or surf.
Discordance Axis is one I would throw in there. And probably The Sawtooth Grin. Definitely hella grind influences, and inspired other great bands in mathcore/grindcore
Surprised that Anaal Nathrakh weren't mentioned in Cyber Grind. Absolute legends of that kind of music.
I was tempted to include them but I felt like leaving them out since ive talked about them A LOT on my channel hahaha
To add a band to the cybergrind tier, OLD (or old lady drivers). Pretty wild band and were early on the cybergrind wave with "Lo Flux Tube" in 1992. Started off as a bit of a fad band with their S/T, turned cybergrind with the second release, followed it up with a wild album that I can only describe as "progressive cybergrind" and then capped off their legacy with this weird industrial indie album. Big rec.
Repulsion is so interesting within the history of Grind. Proto-grind/proto-goregrind, hardcore, some thrash and some death metal even.
Fluids out here throwing trap beats along with the grind
Little surprised I didn't see Kraanium or Parasitic Ejaculation on the "Degenerate Grind" level, but this is an awesome video! Thanks for uploading this!
BRO! I nearly forgot about wecamewithbrokenteeth! It was honestly the MySpace days around 10 yo finding extreme music. My influences outside of it were just people I knew. I grew in a small town. My parents were metal heads and introduced me to King Diamond, Marylin Manson, and Metallica. My friends were just into radio rock. Finding MySpace metal was like having someone come up behind me and drive an icepick into my through my ears in the best possible way and qued my descent into everything musically extreme.
I stumbled onto 'Escuela Grind' a few months ago (before I knew any grindcore) and that blew my mind. I've explored more since then -- mostly Napalm Death and Tier 1 -- but all that seems melodic compared to some of those wild bands in Tier 7. 'Princess Army' and 'The Gerogerigegege' are especially zany. Cheers.
look up nikudorei
AxCx have made actual normal songs which ironically just called like Song5, Song6, song8 etc...Seth also sang in southern trendkill by pantera and they also made a cover version of that song.
Also shout out to Pissgrave and (my personal favorite) Blue holocaust - Black Gloved Sadist.
I also would say That Impetigo Ultimo mondo canibale is one of my all time favorite death metal albums. Would not really call them grind even though they have really fast chaotic sections like mortician kinda sound to them. Though mortician is just death metal. And while I got your attention AxCx's Defenders of the hate is probably one of the best grindcore albums ever, its up there with the goregrind of the first two carcass albums.
Seth was also in a few bands that sounded like AxCx before he started that band in 1988. There was one called "The Losers" which started in 1980 and another one that started in 1985 called "Screaming Gore Guts" (you can find their demo on youtube).
Was glad to say I found a sh-tton of the Locust and Cock and Balls Torture over on YT Red and yes they were insane and ridiculous and great and I managed to shoehorn them onto my Grindcore playlist. Thanks as always !
Fanx mate, I reckon I been looking for bezerker for a long time. Never heard of them before
One of the first with LDOH is Japanese Gore Beyond Necropsy which plays goregrind but also noicore (noise-a-go-go): check it out and you know where Insect Warfare got their mojo.
oh my god ive never seen anyone bring up cutting pink with knives, that Oh Wow! album is legit in my top 20 of all time and the later stuff is still good but not AS crazy, props for the CPWK mention and cybergrind as a whole is making a weird comeback lately with labels like kitty on fire records and big money cybergrind, i always loved how they never seemed to take themselves as seriously as a lot of other metal stuff
I saw The Locust live as a kid and I was thinking what is this fast, spastic, chaotic music!? Then I dug deeper and found grindcore.
I just checked Cutting Pink With Knives, and i absolutely love it. Its so melodic and fun.
Last Days of Humanity is probably the most extreme band of all time. In Advanced Hemorrhaging Conditions and Putrefaction in Progress are two of the most extreme albums ever made. Best Goregrind band of all time in my personal opinion
Hymns is the most gross album of all time last days of humanity are masters of goregrind deffo my favourite along side early regurgitate
Their newest 2021 album is so groovy amd heavy its rediculous they deserve their video for having such a huge varied discography
probably the goregrind band i listen to the most
Hymns is my favorite goregrind album. Disgustingly brutal music with an equally disgusting album cover. Just the way I like my goregrind
Thank you for introducing me to Cutting Pink with Knives. Fuckin' synthgrind, lol. I love it. Bought their CD _"Oh Wow!"_ immediately.