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I love the sound of these new cymbals! I especially like that they have such a short sustain. I have a set of Zildjian Custom A's & a set of Sabian AAX's. Both of them have great sound, but the sustain is like forever on them both & they are both definitely rock cymbals. These K Custom Special Dry's seem to sizzle with a great tone. Sound perfect for church. Gonna have to check them out at my local music store. Thanks for the great demo!
Hi Stephen ... we met and had lunch at PASIC 2016 ... you were (and are) a very cool guy and great teacher. This video was truly a gift. My gig cymbals were stolen recently and I'm searching for an entire new set of cymbals and every cymbals you demo'd has been under serious consideration. I'll be checking this video many times while researching prices. Thank you so much! (PS "Hello" to Tim Buell as well!)
Check out the Zildjian K Special Dry Series here: imp.i114863.net/aqEBY I get a lot of questions about Zildjian cymbals. But in the past year, I have gotten a TON of questions about the Zildjian K Custom Special Dry Cymbal line. The "dry" sound has become quite popular in the past couple of years. Zildjian was actually the company to produce the first dry cymbal (The Earth Ride) back in the 70's. I'll have to admit, I was REALLY looking forward to checking out this particular lineup of cymbals, especially the hats. I've kept an older version of the 21" K Custom Special Dry Ride on my kit for a while now. This new lineup of the K Custom Special Dry cymbals is more responsive, less clangy, and drier. I wanted to simply give a good overview of the entire line of cymbals to answer any questions you all may have. Cymbals are an EXTREMELY personal thing. As always, I would advise you to listen to as many as possible online and in person before making a decision. This dry line is a very specific sound and they don't translate well in ALL live situations. They open and close very quickly, which is great for some situations but not for all. Dryer cymbals tend to not cut through the other instruments as well in a live pop or rock situation. That being said, I love them for a lot of reasons. I hope this video helps you learn a bit more about them. Leave a comment below and let me know which cymbal is your favorite out of this lineup!
So damn beautiful I could cry .. I went through it twice this time and I am truly dumbfounded.. K has outdone K.. I had not been into 'holy' cymbals until hearing these trash crashes.. incredibly musical.. Wonderful presentation my friend.. thank you :)
Really fine explanation and you are so right. I feel that especially cymbals like the K's and normal A's needs to be pointed out. There are so much "personality" in each, and they can be quite different and unique! First time I visit the Zildjian distributor after I got my Zildjian endorsement deal, I picked out the range of cymbals I knew I wanted, 3-5 pieces of each, and then I spend an hour listening to the pitch, the sound of bells and the overall crash and body. What a great day. !! And I'm so happy with my Zildjians
This is like a dream. To have tons of cymbals show up at your house and you just get to play with them all. You must've been like a kid on Christmas morning lol.
I love the 15" dry hats. Nothing beats all that bronze real estate giving you what you need. My 22" K Custom Complex dry Ride is the queen in my set up. It just does it all. Great video, Sir! You always have a very real way of showing us drummers what really matters. Thanks for all you do.
He compared their dryness to a "sneeze", but in different tones. So here's the good news. If you can't afford to buy dry cymbals right now, then you can compensate by sneezing into a microphone at the part of the song where you wanted to use a dry cymbal. Just don't "sustain" your sneeze too long, lest you undermine the desired dry effect. Also, I find that by sneezing in different tones, it sounds as if I have MANY expensive dry cymbals! Seriously though, I like some of the dry cymbals, most of these in fact, but there are some I don't like at all. Such as some of the super dry hi hats.
@Boyitellyouhwhat Nowhere even remotely like Meinl's dry stuff. You can try all you want. lol There's brand loyalty and then there's just being a stubborn moron. Meinl has the dry thing locked down.
@@tonyjackson4099 just because they have it on lock and do it better in your opinion doesn’t change the fact that what the person said was true nothing negative about it or deserving of negativity. Also not even a zildjian guy so I’m not fan boying as you will most likely say
I was loaned a set of drums from the church and my set came with planet Z and I got to say the K series has got it BEAT. I really liked the 15 in high-hats and the 16 in and 18 in crash and the 17 in trash crash. Thanks for taking out a lot of the guess work.
Great video, showing the cymbals in depth. It took Zildjian a while, and a lot of trial and error to get this line right but i think they finally spotted the formula. Now they are sounding dry, trashy, and musical at the same time. Kudos Zildjian and our bro Stephen!
Yes, I watched all the reviews on these before I bought, wish Stephen's had been up then. The frank commentary (in addition to the good recording quality) is what makes all the difference.
Fantastic expose of dry symbols Stephen! Its an incredible wealth of sound in addition to the more traditional sounds on the drums. Thanks for the great and very interesting demo of them! Food for thought!
Espetacular Sound of Cymbals and Drums! Excellent Captation on mics, great sound 😮😮👏🏽👏🏽 For me Hit Hat 15’ Won’s 😅😅 Amazing sound… I just buy um crash especial dry 18’ and i love it ! 🎉🎉
Thanks for this video man, super helpful! I’m looking to add a crash to my set up after years of playing 2 rides and this was a super sick demo of this line. Think the 20 inch special dry is gonna be the one 👊
The dry cymbals are so popular because of Benny Greb lol and I love em as well. In the studio they support the mix beautifully and they look amazing. Sure in a live setting playing loud music then brilliant cymbals might cut better but it’s not like the dry cymbals won’t be heard. They just don’t cut, they support.
Stephen Taylor fair enough and to each their own.... but I don’t necessarily need a crash that cuts over literally everything lol like I said their purpose is to support the overall mix, not cut over the mix.
Love my 17 inch Dry Trash Crash. More subtle and useful for me than a china, more shimmery also I had the EFX hat topper and returned immediately , i guess not much use for it in the CCM i mostly play . For me it was obnoxious as was the 21" Special Dry Ride, which the surprisingly long sustain overpowered everything else,in my normal genre. Took it back after 5 minutes ,and swapped it for a K Sweet 21" Sweet Ride, which started my SLIDE TO THE K SWEET SIDE, with just a little dry TRASH ON THE SIDE.
Tyler Fred that’s a Tama wingnut clip. You push the red parts in and slide it on the stand then it locks in place. Comes standard on their larger cymbal hardware.
Be great for electronic music, hip- hop, experimental stuff and sound effects. I find them largely impractical as 'Main axe's' in my situations? But I'd be proud to own a selection for special effects. Though the 'regular' hats have plenty practical applications.
Buy used! Apart from 2 mid-level cymbals I bought years ago, everything has been 2nd hand, got some fantastic deals on eBay and various fb groups. Don't see the point in buying sets either, I prefer a bit of variation.
Great vid Steve. You are right. They have a place. I’ve noticed a lot of artists going for effects and trashy cymbals. Not really for me. My fave line is the k custom darks though.
Hello sir .. I'm planing to buy k series next week.. but I have no idea if wich is better. Please Help me decide if k sweet or the worship pack hybrid custom. Thank you .. I prefer washy sound.
Hi Stephen. What microphones and process have you used in the audio? I've been looking for references on these dishes for days and in your video they sound incredible but in others they don't have the same brightness and sound more muted and serious. on the other hand what do you think of Trash Crash 19 "compared to the K efx of 18"? Do you think the trash crash of 19 has less volume? I still haven't been able to compare them personally. Thanks a lot!
I have a 18 crash and a 20 ride I’m looking for a china type sound to sit in the middle as a 19 I’m really interested in one of these ....any opinions?
Ehhhh...good for what they were meant to do, but I'm just now getting a hold of my primary set of cymbals. I wouldn't be looking for this for another few years when a primary setup will be too limited. I will say that 17 inch trash sounds GREAT!
Do you know anything about Istanbul cymbals? I feel like they're not widely played, but from what I have heard of them, they have a great sound and they're highly underrated.
They're made entirely by hand which is awesome, but they just don't attract like the centuries old Zildjian Company or the K Istanbul factory which is where the istanbul guys got their training.
i have a..well..horizontal crack in my 18" k custom dark crash.. do you think it would sound any good if i cut it out and add some other equally big holes around the cymbal? 4 or 5 holes i don't know!
@@StephenTaylorDrums Problem is..I've got it from the store i've used to work for. had a dent on the side so they could sell it anymore. i removed the dent but it cracked later in the middle not related to the dent i guess. maybe it is.
I wish that, when drummers do demos of K Custom Dry rides, that they would spend more time crashing harder on them. And not just play traditional jazz patterns on them, using only the tip of the stick. It seems that there's a tendency for most drummers to play this type of cymbal that way because there's obvious stick definition. But I think it would be really helpful for those who are shopping for a good ride, to be able to hear the harder crashing element of a cymbal like this. Thanks for the demonstration though.
Kelvin Underwood hey Kelvin...I’ll give you the honest reason I don’t crash a lot on that ride...it doesn’t sound great. Not all rides are made for crashing. It’s very gongy when you crash on it (to my ear).
Kelvin, back when I played Sabian, I had the 21" HH Raw Bell Dry Ride (back when that cymbal was only offered in the HH line). Other than a 19" Paiste Prototype Dry Ride, the 21" was the only other dry ride cymbal I have ever owned. The day I bought it, I was told that you don't crash on dry rides for the reason Stephen just said. When I would crash on it, during live outdoor gigs, the stick definition would get louder and harsher, but there was no audible "crash" sound. That's why people don't crash those rides. The only exception to the rule, I believe, would be the Meinl Jazz Sand Ride.
Hi Steven. Thanks for all of the great content. Since I've been play Roland V-Drums (TD-30) I can't do an acoustic cymbal swell anymore. Lol. I have considered looking at the Zildjian Gen16 Acoustic/Midi cymbals. Has anyone played those?
They cut, you just lost some of the stick attack. Lots of rock drummers using bigger hats these days. They’re just a different sound. Neither better nor worse.
German Ocampo so I LOVE the dry rides for jazz. Stick definition and clarity. That jack dejohnette sound. But I enjoy mixing a dry ride with a ride that has a little more sustain. The hats would work fine as well. But again, I love the ride in a jazz setting.
Some iof them remind me of the Samsun line but I could never get them from any supplier so I opted for Istanbul Xist. I like some of these to add on for trashiness. And the 15" hi hats I like.
I use Paiste 2002 ,Paiste Rudes and Paiste china types. Everything else, dry ,wet ,call it whatever gimmicky name you want is just marketing . Those cymbals with the holes in them sound like something you would get with a Costco Drum set.
In a loud rock band they would get lost in the sauce but in a fusion band they would sound great. I like my Zildjins to be bright (like your hi-hats). If you are looking for quick and trashy, Meinl's are great for that (see Anika Nilles). Again it depends on where and how you use them. Actually I would keep them mounted along with my regular (bright) Zildjins to be used as specialised cymbals like china's and splash's.
Mark Richer I agree Mark. The dry cymbals don’t cut at all...just in general. It was my biggest complaint with the dry Meinls I used to have...I would have to just crank my overheads in the mix to hear them. You need that brightness in a live setting to cut through the other instruments. But, for certain uses, they’re fantastic.
I disagree. Tomas Haake uses dry cymbals, and he's one of the most respected metal drummers. Jimmy Chamberlain has also switched to dry cymbals. I think they work better for polyrhythmic drumming, than pocket drumming. But I don't think that necessarily means that they don't "cut".
I am a bit confused why so many rock players go for these types of cymbals. Sometimes i tink it is a bit to do with being cool and trendy. I just think that many times these cymbals don't really suit the music they are being played for. Just my opinion though. I would go for a brighter sound personally.
Bright cymbals can be harsh on one's ears during a 4 hour show. Plus not all "rock" drumming is "meat and potatoes". Bright cymbals tend to overstay their welcome in a more polyrhythmic environment.
Jason Schultz so I’ve owned several cymbals with holes in them from different manufacturers over the years. Never cracked one. The cymbals that I’ve cracked in the past are the thicker ones. The thinner ones seem to give more. But, I would be interested in an A/B crack test with regular cymbals. I’ll also ask my peeps at Zildjian the next time I talk with them.
Mike Ochs this happens surprisingly little. A handful of times over my years of playing...and never to the point that it affected my playing. I thought the same thing at first too though.
Interesting and informative. Thanks. But, they sound like the cheap garbage I had to use when I was a kid and couldn't afford good cymbals. No way on earth I would pay for these. Certainly not the $300 to $600 they probably want for them. $29.99 tops.
Don you’re definitely welcome to your opinion. I think these are next level cymbals for discerning ears who want a specific sound. I have owned Ks, A Customs, Paiste 2002s & Traditionals, and Sabian AAs, AAX, HH, and HHXs. No need to be disagreeable Don.
Don I love it. I think variety is what makes the world go round. And what sounds good to one ear, sounds awful to another. That’s always interested me. Same with sights and smells. I think everyone should check out what’s out there and then make an informed decision. Got some K Sweets coming that you will probably dig more.
Greg Patterson Lol, I’m glad you dig the channel. And I love opinions. Some cymbals are for you, some aren’t. I am trying to get more videos up like his one simply to give an honest look at what the gear sounds like. Thanks for jumping in the conversation and being honest
I’m tryin to choose between these or Meinl extra dry. Meinl is very dark and trashy. These have that think only a zildjian does. Dry but still sounds like a K ya know. Such a tough choice for darker more complex cymbals. Both good IMO there is no brittleness in either.
I'd I may interject from experience...the Meinl's do not cut very well in a live setting. Neither is going to cut incredibly well because of the nature of what they cymbal is, but of the two, the Meinls get lost in the mix more to my ears
@@StephenTaylorDrums please do. Not being in a state with a music store within 3 hours and it only sells guitars and pianos, I depend on others experience on Facebook and UA-cam. Blending into the mix is kind of what I’m looking for, I want to mix in not cut through the mix. I’ll be using them in studio on a bop kit and live small bars where the biggest complaint I get is “my cymbals are too loud and ringy” even if I’m playing with toothpicks. I might just get some cheap Wuhan and duct tape them, I don’t think anybody can tell the difference anyway, everybody I play for is tone deaf. Lol
Not sure on your opinion of edrums, but I don't have an acoustic set and very much use your vids in my customization of my Roland kit.. this vid alone I set up a fun set to mess and tinker with..thanks . ..I know they're are purists out there but edrums have come along way, and plus if you're recording then it's digital anyways.my opinion, if it sounds good, then it sounds good regardless.
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The 15” hats sound awesome!
DLA Drums they do indeed
Thanks for pointing out the cymbals in the thumbnail, I might have been confused without all the arrows.
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lol. “Dry” humor.
I play a mostly metal drums, but enjoy a jazz style occasionally. These sound perfect for those two styles!
These hi hats will do excellent for metal.
I love the sound of these new cymbals! I especially like that they have such a short sustain. I have a set of Zildjian Custom A's & a set of Sabian AAX's. Both of them have great sound, but the sustain is like forever on them both & they are both definitely rock cymbals.
These K Custom Special Dry's seem to sizzle with a great tone. Sound perfect for church. Gonna have to check them out at my local music store.
Thanks for the great demo!
Rich Behe You bet Rich!
These cymbals are amazing. I love the dry, washy sound and feel.
Hi Stephen ... we met and had lunch at PASIC 2016 ... you were (and are) a very cool guy and great teacher. This video was truly a gift. My gig cymbals were stolen recently and I'm searching for an entire new set of cymbals and every cymbals you demo'd has been under serious consideration. I'll be checking this video many times while researching prices. Thank you so much! (PS "Hello" to Tim Buell as well!)
I love that cymbal line, they sound great.
Check out the Zildjian K Special Dry Series here: imp.i114863.net/aqEBY
I get a lot of questions about Zildjian cymbals. But in the past year, I have gotten a TON of questions about the Zildjian K Custom Special Dry Cymbal line. The "dry" sound has become quite popular in the past couple of years. Zildjian was actually the company to produce the first dry cymbal (The Earth Ride) back in the 70's.
I'll have to admit, I was REALLY looking forward to checking out this particular lineup of cymbals, especially the hats. I've kept an older version of the 21" K Custom Special Dry Ride on my kit for a while now. This new lineup of the K Custom Special Dry cymbals is more responsive, less clangy, and drier.
I wanted to simply give a good overview of the entire line of cymbals to answer any questions you all may have. Cymbals are an EXTREMELY personal thing. As always, I would advise you to listen to as many as possible online and in person before making a decision. This dry line is a very specific sound and they don't translate well in ALL live situations. They open and close very quickly, which is great for some situations but not for all. Dryer cymbals tend to not cut through the other instruments as well in a live pop or rock situation. That being said, I love them for a lot of reasons. I hope this video helps you learn a bit more about them.
Leave a comment below and let me know which cymbal is your favorite out of this lineup!
djjazzyjeff123 Those are Earthworks mics
So damn beautiful I could cry .. I went through it twice this time and I am truly dumbfounded.. K has outdone K.. I had not been into 'holy' cymbals until hearing these trash crashes.. incredibly musical.. Wonderful presentation my friend.. thank you :)
Bill Bacon you bet Bill!
Really fine explanation and you are so right. I feel that especially cymbals like the K's and normal A's needs to be pointed out. There are so much "personality" in each, and they can be quite different and unique! First time I visit the Zildjian distributor after I got my Zildjian endorsement deal, I picked out the range of cymbals I knew I wanted, 3-5 pieces of each, and then I spend an hour listening to the pitch, the sound of bells and the overall crash and body. What a great day. !! And I'm so happy with my Zildjians
My absolut favourite cymbals of all times, is my K 18" EFX. Actually a very versatile cymbal. Crash added with some raw soft washy and spicy elements
This is like a dream. To have tons of cymbals show up at your house and you just get to play with them all. You must've been like a kid on Christmas morning lol.
I love the 15" dry hats. Nothing beats all that bronze real estate giving you what you need. My 22" K Custom Complex dry Ride is the queen in my set up. It just does it all.
Great video, Sir! You always have a very real way of showing us drummers what really matters.
Thanks for all you do.
Ross Gillis I love the complex ride. Have one myself too. Such a versatile cymbal.
I recently pulled the trigger on this box of cymbals and I love them. Zildjian hit it out of the park with this line.
All the brands make good shit. Brand loyalty only limits options. All about the sound of each cymbal and how it speaks to you.
These sound SOOOO amazing! Can't wait until I can get my hands on some.
Joseph Mintz they so fine 👍🏻
He compared their dryness to a "sneeze", but in different tones. So here's the good news. If you can't afford to buy dry cymbals right now, then you can compensate by sneezing into a microphone at the part of the song where you wanted to use a dry cymbal. Just don't "sustain" your sneeze too long, lest you undermine the desired dry effect. Also, I find that by sneezing in different tones, it sounds as if I have MANY expensive dry cymbals!
Seriously though, I like some of the dry cymbals, most of these in fact, but there are some I don't like at all. Such as some of the super dry hi hats.
Seeing that Meinl trend in full effect
@Barber 82 Was about to say, those are fightin words!!
@Boyitellyouhwhat Nowhere even remotely like Meinl's dry stuff. You can try all you want. lol There's brand loyalty and then there's just being a stubborn moron. Meinl has the dry thing locked down.
@@tonyjackson4099 just because they have it on lock and do it better in your opinion doesn’t change the fact that what the person said was true nothing negative about it or deserving of negativity. Also not even a zildjian guy so I’m not fan boying as you will most likely say
@@tonyjackson4099 el wrongo, Meinl pretty much copied the K custom dry line that came out in early 2000. GTFOH with that bullshit!
Damn when u bent that cymbal my heart dropped
My heart dropped when he wasn't using cymbal sleeves this whole time.
I was loaned a set of drums from the church and my set came with planet Z and I got to say the K series has got it BEAT. I really liked the 15 in high-hats and the 16 in and 18 in crash and the 17 in trash crash. Thanks for taking out a lot of the guess work.
william sharp oh yea, K’s over Z’s any day for me (personal preference)
Wow, congrats on the 100k!
BlahMmm Blah Thank you my friend...but the Thanks goes to all of you for watching
Great video, showing the cymbals in depth. It took Zildjian a while, and a lot of trial and error to get this line right but i think they finally spotted the formula. Now they are sounding dry, trashy, and musical at the same time. Kudos Zildjian and our bro Stephen!
Drumaier J agreed
Best review I've seen on these. Great job! You've convinced me that I need the 15" Hi-Hats. I'm currently using a few of the others. Thanks!
Michael Bourg I dig the newer version of the hats too
Yes, I watched all the reviews on these before I bought, wish Stephen's had been up then. The frank commentary (in addition to the good recording quality) is what makes all the difference.
Fantastic expose of dry symbols Stephen! Its an incredible wealth of sound in addition to the more traditional sounds on the drums. Thanks for the great and very interesting demo of them! Food for thought!
I really like the ride and the hihat you show right after each other.
You finally set up the new kit! Perfect for a cymbal demo video
Jordan Thoreson video coming soon on it
I'm a long time fan of Zildjian. Cymbals sound great. Really good drumming 😊😊😊
I have always knew most of the K series line are used for jazz drumers. Much love Stephen !
Moises Hernandez I prefer the K darks in a pop or rock setting too
@@StephenTaylorDrums awesome man.
Wow that 16” crash is amazing
I'm really curious what a 17" trash crash would sound like stacked on the 18" china.
Great value to be able to hear the cymbals, thanks!!
Congrats on the 100k subscribers!
Jacob Macbride thanks Jacob!!!
I love the bass drum tuning!
Thanks!
The hats and the ride and 18” crash is prolly the best eight the 18” being the most musical
Espetacular Sound of Cymbals and Drums! Excellent Captation on mics, great sound 😮😮👏🏽👏🏽
For me Hit Hat 15’ Won’s 😅😅
Amazing sound…
I just buy um crash especial dry 18’ and i love it ! 🎉🎉
Matt Bettis has been doing this to K's for years. Glad to see Zildjian finally realized it.
I was hoping you'd do this! These things sound super tasty!
por fin zildjian modernizó sus platillos, en todo caso suena increíble
It’s like a desert, super dry. Nice sound
Played the older version of the 21" special dry ride and it was the perfect mix of heaviness and dryness for me
Thanks for this video man, super helpful! I’m looking to add a crash to my set up after years of playing 2 rides and this was a super sick demo of this line. Think the 20 inch special dry is gonna be the one 👊
The dry cymbals are so popular because of Benny Greb lol and I love em as well. In the studio they support the mix beautifully and they look amazing. Sure in a live setting playing loud music then brilliant cymbals might cut better but it’s not like the dry cymbals won’t be heard. They just don’t cut, they support.
AlexDW Yea...I have issues with dry cymbals in a live setting. Mainly the crashes. They just don’t cut enough.
Stephen Taylor fair enough and to each their own.... but I don’t necessarily need a crash that cuts over literally everything lol like I said their purpose is to support the overall mix, not cut over the mix.
I’ve owned the 22 dry crash from this line for about six months and it’s awesome
tommy farnsworth how is it?
I love the K custom line as well I'm looking into getting myself a set of them also
Are the zbt cymbals worth it
Great upload/demo! Very cool cymbals!
AR Drummer thanks!
Love my 17 inch Dry Trash Crash. More subtle and useful for me than a china, more shimmery also I had the EFX hat topper and returned immediately , i guess not much use for it in the CCM i mostly play . For me it was obnoxious as was the 21" Special Dry Ride, which the surprisingly long sustain overpowered everything else,in my normal genre. Took it back after 5 minutes ,and swapped it for a K Sweet 21" Sweet Ride, which started my SLIDE TO THE K SWEET SIDE, with just a little dry TRASH ON THE SIDE.
Did you buy all of those cymbals . . . ??? 🤔
The trash crashes sound awesome
Wow these sound insane 😍
Random question what are the wingnuts you have on the ride
Tyler Fred that’s a Tama wingnut clip. You push the red parts in and slide it on the stand then it locks in place. Comes standard on their larger cymbal hardware.
@@StephenTaylorDrums thank you.
Be great for electronic music, hip- hop, experimental stuff and sound effects. I find them largely impractical as 'Main axe's' in my situations? But I'd be proud to own a selection for special effects. Though the 'regular' hats have plenty practical applications.
oK! I'll probably get the 20. Also like the 18, trash and hats... Pretty convincing vdo. Thank you for that! Cheers!
Love the 15" hi hats!
Thanks for showing this I really love them! Do they make 13" hats?
I don't think they do with the special dry's but I'm not 100% sure
@@StephenTaylorDrums thanks I appreciate you. Answering my question! Your hell of a drummer!!!
I know you’re showing us the cymbals, but « man! » that bass drum sound 🤤
Do you plan on presenting that kit?
Greeting from 🇨🇭
Morgane Gautier Soon.....
Stephen Taylor take as much time as you need ;)
If Tama gets anything right, it's bass drums.
My goto ride is a 20" K Custom Dry Ride that I bought in 1991.. My crashes are 16" Dark .. Great video thank you
Bill Bacon my favorite ride ever
Bill Bacon You bet Bill...and I bet that ride sounds like heaven!
cymbals have just become way too expensive. This guy has like 4 grand of cymbals here.
Buy used! Apart from 2 mid-level cymbals I bought years ago, everything has been 2nd hand, got some fantastic deals on eBay and various fb groups. Don't see the point in buying sets either, I prefer a bit of variation.
Superb review !!
I just had to come back and listen again.. I am so in love.. Are these the same as the new prototypes I just watched with you at Zildjian?
It seems that the difference is the word 'projection' on the prototypes in the other video.
Great vid Steve. You are right. They have a place. I’ve noticed a lot of artists going for effects and trashy cymbals. Not really for me. My fave line is the k custom darks though.
Are those cymbals good for playing Jazz?
Hello sir .. I'm planing to buy k series next week.. but I have no idea if wich is better. Please Help me decide if k sweet or the worship pack hybrid custom. Thank you .. I prefer washy sound.
Hey Stephen, which snare did you use in this video?
Great demo video. I've been looking at different Zildjian K hi hats to buy. And I think I'm going to go with the Custom Dry. 14" or 15" not sure yet
I'm definitely sold
Zildjian playing catch-up. Less cymbal at twice the price!
Hi Stephen. What microphones and process have you used in the audio? I've been looking for references on these dishes for days and in your video they sound incredible but in others they don't have the same brightness and sound more muted and serious. on the other hand what do you think of Trash Crash 19 "compared to the K efx of 18"? Do you think the trash crash of 19 has less volume? I still haven't been able to compare them personally. Thanks a lot!
Do you think these could be use for a worship setting
I'm not much of a zildjian guy. But they sound great. They record nicely too. I found the darker drier cymbals record really nicely.
Weston DiFranco They sit well in the mix when recorded
@@StephenTaylorDrums I bet. I recorded an album with dark cymbals and my engineer loved them. I also bought some for church. Everyone loves them.
I have a 18 crash and a 20 ride I’m looking for a china type sound to sit in the middle as a 19 I’m really interested in one of these ....any opinions?
Ehhhh...good for what they were meant to do, but I'm just now getting a hold of my primary set of cymbals. I wouldn't be looking for this for another few years when a primary setup will be too limited. I will say that 17 inch trash sounds GREAT!
Do you know anything about Istanbul cymbals?
I feel like they're not widely played, but from what I have heard of them, they have a great sound and they're highly underrated.
They're made entirely by hand which is awesome, but they just don't attract like the centuries old Zildjian Company or the K Istanbul factory which is where the istanbul guys got their training.
Hey, is that the Tama Hyper Drive Duo kit you unboxed? Sounds good.
Stephen Schowengerdt it is...video coming soon on it
I've got some rawhide gloves you can lay across your normal cymbals if you're into spending money on that sound.
Great vid as per usual! Actually persuaded me to go out and buy the ride! I got the 21" but I was wondering what the weight of yours is? Thanks again!
Always been a fan of K series. That 21in trash crash sounds ridiculous!
Nitro yea, I dig that one too
This is EXCELLENT
Thanks my friend!
Could you use the ride as a crash ride???
i have a..well..horizontal crack in my 18" k custom dark crash.. do you think it would sound any good if i cut it out and add some other equally big holes around the cymbal? 4 or 5 holes i don't know!
That’s totally up to you. Zildjian has a great replacement policy though. I would check that out first
@@StephenTaylorDrums Problem is..I've got it from the store i've used to work for. had a dent on the side so they could sell it anymore. i removed the dent but it cracked later in the middle not related to the dent i guess. maybe it is.
I love it I'm definitely a k dark fan
I wish that, when drummers do demos of K Custom Dry rides, that they would spend more time crashing harder on them. And not just play traditional jazz patterns on them, using only the tip of the stick. It seems that there's a tendency for most drummers to play this type of cymbal that way because there's obvious stick definition. But I think it would be really helpful for those who are shopping for a good ride, to be able to hear the harder crashing element of a cymbal like this. Thanks for the demonstration though.
Kelvin Underwood hey Kelvin...I’ll give you the honest reason I don’t crash a lot on that ride...it doesn’t sound great. Not all rides are made for crashing. It’s very gongy when you crash on it (to my ear).
Kelvin, back when I played Sabian, I had the 21" HH Raw Bell Dry Ride (back when that cymbal was only offered in the HH line). Other than a 19" Paiste Prototype Dry Ride, the 21" was the only other dry ride cymbal I have ever owned. The day I bought it, I was told that you don't crash on dry rides for the reason Stephen just said. When I would crash on it, during live outdoor gigs, the stick definition would get louder and harsher, but there was no audible "crash" sound. That's why people don't crash those rides. The only exception to the rule, I believe, would be the Meinl Jazz Sand Ride.
Hi Steven. Thanks for all of the great content. Since I've been play Roland V-Drums (TD-30) I can't do an acoustic cymbal swell anymore. Lol. I have considered looking at the Zildjian Gen16 Acoustic/Midi cymbals. Has anyone played those?
I recommend you to buy the TD-50 Module. I have no problems with swelling cymbal sound.
I love the snare
I really want a pair of 15 hats but feel that they might be a bit too weak for rock drumming. Do they cut enough/as much as 15 K lights?
They cut, you just lost some of the stick attack. Lots of rock drummers using bigger hats these days. They’re just a different sound. Neither better nor worse.
Cool cymbals!
Are these crashes loud enough to cut through with live rock?
I would go with another line. Like the k sweets or k darks.
That Latin groove with the ride was delicious haha. Would you recommend these for someone looking for some versatile symbols going to jazz school?
German Ocampo so I LOVE the dry rides for jazz. Stick definition and clarity. That jack dejohnette sound. But I enjoy mixing a dry ride with a ride that has a little more sustain. The hats would work fine as well. But again, I love the ride in a jazz setting.
Would the trash crashes make a good substitute for a china cymbal?
What type of microphones are those on the toms?
Jose Jaramillo Earthworks
Some iof them remind me of the Samsun line but I could never get them from any supplier so I opted for Istanbul Xist. I like some of these to add on for trashiness. And the 15" hi hats I like.
That a 10 rack instead of the 12? Dig the hats. Cool demo 👌🏽
tdrum21 yep, the 12 is to my right
I use Paiste 2002 ,Paiste Rudes and Paiste china types. Everything else, dry ,wet ,call it whatever gimmicky name you want is just marketing . Those cymbals with the holes in them sound like something you would get with a Costco Drum set.
In a loud rock band they would get lost in the sauce but in a fusion band they would sound great. I like my Zildjins to be bright (like your hi-hats). If you are looking for quick and trashy, Meinl's are great for that (see Anika Nilles).
Again it depends on where and how you use them.
Actually I would keep them mounted along with my regular (bright) Zildjins to be used as specialised cymbals like china's and splash's.
Mark Richer I agree Mark. The dry cymbals don’t cut at all...just in general. It was my biggest complaint with the dry Meinls I used to have...I would have to just crank my overheads in the mix to hear them. You need that brightness in a live setting to cut through the other instruments. But, for certain uses, they’re fantastic.
I disagree. Tomas Haake uses dry cymbals, and he's one of the most respected metal drummers. Jimmy Chamberlain has also switched to dry cymbals. I think they work better for polyrhythmic drumming, than pocket drumming. But I don't think that necessarily means that they don't "cut".
I am a bit confused why so many rock players go for these types of cymbals. Sometimes i tink it is a bit to do with being cool and trendy. I just think that many times these cymbals don't really suit the music they are being played for. Just my opinion though. I would go for a brighter sound personally.
Bright cymbals can be harsh on one's ears during a 4 hour show. Plus not all "rock" drumming is "meat and potatoes". Bright cymbals tend to overstay their welcome in a more polyrhythmic environment.
Agree
Counterpoint: I'd be happy if I never heard a Zildjian Rock Crash or Ride again in my life
I don't even play drums and I'm watching this at 2am.......
Won't all those holes make them more susceptible to getting cracks in them?. They sound great though!
Jason Schultz so I’ve owned several cymbals with holes in them from different manufacturers over the years. Never cracked one. The cymbals that I’ve cracked in the past are the thicker ones. The thinner ones seem to give more. But, I would be interested in an A/B crack test with regular cymbals. I’ll also ask my peeps at Zildjian the next time I talk with them.
@@StephenTaylorDrums you're the BEST, Stephen!
I've never played one with holes, but I can't help but think my stick would get caught in one.
@@mochs3869 same and I'm sure it will.
Mike Ochs this happens surprisingly little. A handful of times over my years of playing...and never to the point that it affected my playing. I thought the same thing at first too though.
Why do they call it dry ?
Interesting and informative. Thanks.
But, they sound like the cheap garbage I had to use when I was a kid and couldn't afford good cymbals. No way on earth I would pay for these. Certainly not the $300 to $600 they probably want for them. $29.99 tops.
Don you’re definitely welcome to your opinion. I think these are next level cymbals for discerning ears who want a specific sound. I have owned Ks, A Customs, Paiste 2002s & Traditionals, and Sabian AAs, AAX, HH, and HHXs. No need to be disagreeable Don.
Don I love it. I think variety is what makes the world go round. And what sounds good to one ear, sounds awful to another. That’s always interested me. Same with sights and smells. I think everyone should check out what’s out there and then make an informed decision. Got some K Sweets coming that you will probably dig more.
I agree!
I don’t like them too trashy not worth the price. I still like your channel!
Greg Patterson Lol, I’m glad you dig the channel. And I love opinions. Some cymbals are for you, some aren’t. I am trying to get more videos up like his one simply to give an honest look at what the gear sounds like. Thanks for jumping in the conversation and being honest
Cool.. thank you bro.. God bless you
I’m tryin to choose between these or Meinl extra dry. Meinl is very dark and trashy. These have that think only a zildjian does. Dry but still sounds like a K ya know. Such a tough choice for darker more complex cymbals. Both good IMO there is no brittleness in either.
I'd I may interject from experience...the Meinl's do not cut very well in a live setting. Neither is going to cut incredibly well because of the nature of what they cymbal is, but of the two, the Meinls get lost in the mix more to my ears
@@StephenTaylorDrums please do. Not being in a state with a music store within 3 hours and it only sells guitars and pianos, I depend on others experience on Facebook and UA-cam. Blending into the mix is kind of what I’m looking for, I want to mix in not cut through the mix. I’ll be using them in studio on a bop kit and live small bars where the biggest complaint I get is “my cymbals are too loud and ringy” even if I’m playing with toothpicks. I might just get some cheap Wuhan and duct tape them, I don’t think anybody can tell the difference anyway, everybody I play for is tone deaf. Lol
Not sure on your opinion of edrums, but I don't have an acoustic set and very much use your vids in my customization of my Roland kit.. this vid alone I set up a fun set to mess and tinker with..thanks . ..I know they're are purists out there but edrums have come along way, and plus if you're recording then it's digital anyways.my opinion, if it sounds good, then it sounds good regardless.
You've definitely got good taste in hi hats though.