Leonard and Dempsey permanantley altered the game, paving the way for the modern era... they revolutionized it, each in his own unique way... all the brilliant boxers we have seen since... Pep, Harold Johnson, Jofre, Ali, Ezzard Charles, Whitaker, Mayweather, etc. ... the roots are there in the work of Benny Leonard... just as the attacking styles of Frazier, Tyson, Duran, Chavez, etc. ... the roots are with Jack Dempsey... we owe them gratitude and respect for that
Lava1964 I feel the exact same way, there is just something beautiful about watching graceful athletes in boxing. I do play UFC 3 though, along with Fight Night Champion.
Big Joe I'm hearing that for the last 15 years and things are going backwards now. Mma is like the Jack of all trades good at everything great at nothing.
People don't understand how truely great Leonard was. They think they do, but they don't. He was fucking scary. He made grown men weep. They just wanted out of the ring with him. He would cook their brains and feed it to them like Hannibal Lecter. He frazzled nerves. Leonard was a sick,sick bastard. Kind of the same realm as Bobby Fischer in Chess. Great dream bout would be Leonard vs Burley.
His hopping stance reminds me of Sugar Ray Robinson's. The way he always hops back into position was something you rarely saw back in those days. He was ahead of his time (like most of the greats).
By the way, if you enjoy a good book, I suggest you read," Charley Burley: The Life and Hard Times of an Uncrowned Champion." by Allen Rosenfeld, if you haven't read it. It's a great study, a good read, and very insightful toward many other fighters of the era.
There is an other film of Leonard, in his very last fight, which was against Jimmy McLarnin in 1932. This film of the first/second? Lew Tendler fight, and that are the only ones i know of. Could be wrong, but that's all I've managed to find.
does benny leonard remind anyone else of manny pacquiao. the right handed pacquiao. hes fast on his feet. a great puncher. plus hes a thinker something pacquiao isnt. leonard would beat pacquiao no doubt. btw someone uploaded the full tendler vs leonard fight. 31 mins long. its been upload for a month and only 136 views. ridiculous.
That's why it's called a "dream bout", and I was referring to a P4P match-up. That means if both fighters could be the same size and possess their same skills and attributes, what would happen if they fought? Boxing fans have imagined such scenarios since the days of John L. Sullivan and Jack Britton. Why you mad bro?
Don't be so sure about that, boxing at that time was way more predominant than today, and the competition was way higher. And it was practiced everywhere, they practiced with other equipment and may folks escaped poverty with boxing. So I am not sure, your right amigo.
It is so unfair to compare boxers from back then to today's fighters. Leave those guys in their own era. There's no way Benny Leonard stands a chance against Duran. People are too caught up in history and nostalgia. Even Jack Johnson fought like a bar room brawler! Yet, they talk about how great he is today. He was great for his era, which was still the infancy of modern boxing. It's like saying the Continental Army is as good as today's. It's just not true.
At least Benny Leonard came in Shape!!! Roberto Duran was an Undisciplined Slob that easily Gained 40 Pounds of Blubber by Eating Junk Food and Most Likely Booze!!! Benny Leonard was Way Better than the Gutless Roberto Duran who QUIT like a Gutless Coward in his 2nd Fight with Ray Leonard!!!
"hands at his side." Lot of boxers do that to show off. But its not hard. Try it. Johnson like a lot of heavyweights of the teens did not have a lot of technique.
A bum,? ok maybe you got reason if you refer this version of pacquiao (2010-20..) but if you refer the whole carer of the Pacman you are terrify in a mistake, is not the guilt of Pacquiao that his career now is in decay for the fault of a promoter, for the other time see the thing in diferent view,
I been recognized Benny for his skills. Wonder why he hasn't been belittled or scrutinized like say....Floyd or Muhammad, or Sugar Ray or Roy Jones or Pernell Wittaker and so on? Is because he is..........................from the 1920's?
Duran at his peak and B. Leonard at his peak would have been one for the Ages ...descion....Referee Stops Contest...in Round ???? whatever...........Duran brutalizes Leonard...............he was no Ray Leonard.....
Yes, you obviously are. The fact that you have to use the word "elite" for today's boxers tells quite a lot. Benny Leonard reigned over the deepest pool of Lightweight skill and talent that the history of the sport has ever seen before or since. He was the King of that badass era of Lightweights. You could take any Lightweight in the top 20-30 of that era and put them in the ring with today's Lightweight champion (who is it?) and he would beat him 9 of 10, if not 10 of 10. Why? Fighters of that era were taught better, trained better, were better conditioned, more seasoned, more hungry, and tougher. They also had to fight a lot more competition and a lot more often. That's just a fact. In truth, it wouldn't even be fair to today's "elite" fighters to be pit against one of these murderers. Today's "elite" fighters may even be considered "tomato cans" for that era. Athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger than ever. Boxers aren't athletes, theyre fighters and entertainers and I don't care how athletic you are...I don't care if you're a prime Roy Jones Jr, these guys fought using their minds, heart, and conditioning. Fighters today rarely think. The ones that didn't do a lot of thinking were atleast conditioned to go 15 rounds if not even more, and they were rooted in the fundamentals and techniques of their trade, and were tough as nails. You simply can't even compare them. There were only 8 world champions at any given time in the sport, with many, many more fighters than today and with a lot more experience. Every fighter in each division ranked in the top 30 would be considered "elite" by todays low standard. But back then, with so many great fighters and only one world champion per division they were simply called "contenders". You say "elite"? Elite? LOL! Back then theyd be called "pretenders" at best but I'll call them tomato cans.
Truly a work of art!!! Benny was the best lightweight EVER!!! I took my nickname from this great boxing legend!!! THE GHETTO WIZARD!!!
Willie pep and Mayweather would have beaten him
Can technique and form be any better? Such a smooth fighter. Great jab and footwork.
Leonard and Dempsey permanantley altered the game, paving the way for the modern era... they revolutionized it, each in his own unique way... all the brilliant boxers we have seen since... Pep, Harold Johnson, Jofre, Ali, Ezzard Charles, Whitaker, Mayweather, etc. ... the roots are there in the work of Benny Leonard... just as the attacking styles of Frazier, Tyson, Duran, Chavez, etc. ... the roots are with Jack Dempsey... we owe them gratitude and respect for that
Man his ability to control distance is astounding. He has more power than I think he gets historical credit for.
This is why I'll always prefer boxing over MMA. When boxers are skilled, as Benny Leonard was, it becomes an art.
give mma time friend the best of the worlds fighting disciplines are just emerging today in the sports short history
It's a matter of personal preference. You like MMA; I don't. To each his own.
Lava1964 I feel the exact same way, there is just something beautiful about watching graceful athletes in boxing. I do play UFC 3 though, along with Fight Night Champion.
Big Joe I'm hearing that for the last 15 years and things are going backwards now. Mma is like the Jack of all trades good at everything great at nothing.
great great fighter.....controlling distance my friends boxing 101
People don't understand how truely great Leonard was. They think they do, but they don't. He was fucking scary. He made grown men weep. They just wanted out of the ring with him. He would cook their brains and feed it to them like Hannibal Lecter. He frazzled nerves. Leonard was a sick,sick bastard. Kind of the same realm as Bobby Fischer in Chess. Great dream bout would be Leonard vs Burley.
His hopping stance reminds me of Sugar Ray Robinson's. The way he always hops back into position was something you rarely saw back in those days. He was ahead of his time (like most of the greats).
Benny Leonard was very smooth
Willie Pep was the greatest defensive fighter
Johnson did fight with a mouthguard
And Benny Leonard is the greatest lightweight ever
Very smooth for a early 20th century fighter. He could have fought today.
By the way, if you enjoy a good book, I suggest you read," Charley Burley: The Life and Hard Times of an Uncrowned Champion." by Allen Rosenfeld, if you haven't read it. It's a great study, a good read, and very insightful toward many other fighters of the era.
There is an other film of Leonard, in his very last fight, which was against Jimmy McLarnin in 1932. This film of the first/second? Lew Tendler fight, and that are the only ones i know of. Could be wrong, but that's all I've managed to find.
Jimmy Jacobs had a film of the 2nd Leonard/Tendler fight.
does benny leonard remind anyone else of manny pacquiao. the right handed pacquiao. hes fast on his feet. a great puncher. plus hes a thinker something pacquiao isnt. leonard would beat pacquiao no doubt. btw someone uploaded the full tendler vs leonard fight. 31 mins long. its been upload for a month and only 136 views. ridiculous.
where I can find more fights of Benny Leonard? I would like to see more fights of Benny Leonard
That's why it's called a "dream bout", and I was referring to a P4P match-up. That means if both fighters could be the same size and possess their same skills and attributes, what would happen if they fought? Boxing fans have imagined such scenarios since the days of John L. Sullivan and Jack Britton. Why you mad bro?
Which fight did her fight with a mouthguard in on tape?
Johnson did have some technique he was more cautious than anything
Don't be so sure about that, boxing at that time was way more predominant than today, and the competition was way higher. And it was practiced everywhere, they practiced with other equipment and may folks escaped poverty with boxing. So I am not sure, your right amigo.
It is so unfair to compare boxers from back then to today's fighters. Leave those guys in their own era. There's no way Benny Leonard stands a chance against Duran. People are too caught up in history and nostalgia. Even Jack Johnson fought like a bar room brawler! Yet, they talk about how great he is today. He was great for his era, which was still the infancy of modern boxing. It's like saying the Continental Army is as good as today's. It's just not true.
False Benny Leonard was MUCH MUCH BETTER than 99.9% of Boxers today Clown 🤡 Boy!!! You Silly Casual!!!
At least Benny Leonard came in Shape!!! Roberto Duran was an Undisciplined Slob that easily Gained 40 Pounds of Blubber by Eating Junk Food and Most Likely Booze!!! Benny Leonard was Way Better than the Gutless Roberto Duran who QUIT like a Gutless Coward in his 2nd Fight with Ray Leonard!!!
Titere Vazquez moves likehim
Jack Johnson never fought 45 rounds.
for me the greatest defensive fighter is between Pep, Johnson, Whittaker and Mayweather (credit where credit is due)@JUHSTIIIIN
Dude ray arcel trained both of them and said it would be a heck of a fight but duran would win
"hands at his side." Lot of boxers do that to show off. But its not hard. Try it. Johnson like a lot of heavyweights of the teens did not have a lot of technique.
A bum,? ok maybe you got reason if you refer this version of pacquiao (2010-20..)
but if you refer the whole carer of the Pacman you are terrify in a mistake,
is not the guilt of Pacquiao that his career now is in decay for the fault of a promoter, for the other time see the thing in diferent view,
King of lightweights? Duran would have busted his ribs and jaw within 5 rounds...
I been recognized Benny for his skills. Wonder why he hasn't been belittled or scrutinized like say....Floyd or Muhammad, or Sugar Ray or Roy Jones or Pernell Wittaker and so on? Is because he is..........................from the 1920's?
he's a jew,not white
Duran at his peak and B. Leonard at his peak would have been one for the Ages ...descion....Referee Stops Contest...in Round ???? whatever...........Duran brutalizes Leonard...............he was no Ray Leonard.....
roger brake he was a pioneer. A great in his time. He’s a classic ford.
I'm so confused..how is this better than todays elite boxers..?
Yes, you obviously are. The fact that you have to use the word "elite" for today's boxers tells quite a lot. Benny Leonard reigned over the deepest pool of Lightweight skill and talent that the history of the sport has ever seen before or since. He was the King of that badass era of Lightweights. You could take any Lightweight in the top 20-30 of that era and put them in the ring with today's Lightweight champion (who is it?) and he would beat him 9 of 10, if not 10 of 10. Why? Fighters of that era were taught better, trained better, were better conditioned, more seasoned, more hungry, and tougher. They also had to fight a lot more competition and a lot more often. That's just a fact. In truth, it wouldn't even be fair to today's "elite" fighters to be pit against one of these murderers. Today's "elite" fighters may even be considered "tomato cans" for that era. Athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger than ever. Boxers aren't athletes, theyre fighters and entertainers and I don't care how athletic you are...I don't care if you're a prime Roy Jones Jr, these guys fought using their minds, heart, and conditioning. Fighters today rarely think. The ones that didn't do a lot of thinking were atleast conditioned to go 15 rounds if not even more, and they were rooted in the fundamentals and techniques of their trade, and were tough as nails. You simply can't even compare them. There were only 8 world champions at any given time in the sport, with many, many more fighters than today and with a lot more experience. Every fighter in each division ranked in the top 30 would be considered "elite" by todays low standard. But back then, with so many great fighters and only one world champion per division they were simply called "contenders". You say "elite"? Elite? LOL! Back then theyd be called "pretenders" at best but I'll call them tomato cans.
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