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Is Gyro Stabilization Really That Good?! DaVinci Resolve 18 Update
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People are really downplaying this feature...It literally has taken my 6k from collecting dust, to being my new handheld main camera. The stabilization is far more organic looking than any other electronic IS system I have ever seen. It somehow retains the look of handheld while making unwatchable clips look stunning. Perhaps the main problem is that you used such a tight focal length to begin with? On mine, the "strength" control adjusts the crop as well as the smoothness. I also had SIGNIFICANTLY better results on my 24mm on the 6k with my lucadapter focal reducer! I think this is a feature you're going to have to plan to use, and maybe use the awesome Blackmagic feature of adding a cropped window at 80% of the frame so that you can plan for the crop. The speed booster in my 6k also helps immensely with the cropping situation. Also, no one has seemed to see yet, that this feature will even correct the rolling shutter based on the gyro data...that is clutch as hell!
Collecting dust. Your 6k came out in 2021 and is “collecting dust”
@@zacharyholben748 nah man the original 6k haha so try 2019, and collecting dust for me means it’s my fixed studio camera instead of traveling with me, so not necessarily unused just not my A cam lol
@@kylehessling2679 Fair play.
Hope this will be the same for me
The wobbly warpy stabilization with regular non-gyro goes away if you choose "translation" and not perspective or similarity.
I am collecting information about how to best use the new gyroscope option:
Gyro Data Tips (BMPCC)
* Record with high shutter speed (90º for normal movements, 45º for fast movements)
* For lenses between 27-30mm (FF equivalent) 180º with normal movement
* Above 30mm focal length use 90º shutter speed
* Use wide angle lenses
* Plan wider shoots
* 10-20% crop after stabilizing
* Add pixel motion blur, to compensate for high shutter speeds
* Manually add the focal length in the Metadata if manual lenses are used, it can help stabilization
* 75º shutter speed good results
* Do not use lens stabilization (IS) + Gyro Data, it gives wrong readings
* Calibrate camera sensor before using Gyro Data
* For optimal results, use optics that communicate with the camera. (native EF, EF-S, etc)
Excellent advice. To add, many of the Panasonic lenses with OIS (turned on or turned off...) are incompatible with BRAW recording Gyro data. Take clips into Resolve and Gyro stabilisation is not available... interesting. Perhaps to be fixed in next beta or camera firmware??
What's add pixel motion blur mean? I didn't come across this term before.
@@janardananwildlife Is an FX from After FX
Okay, will look further into it.
Great intro to this cool new feature! I’m excited about it too.
I'm happy with the results shown in the videos shot. The gyro stabilization seems to eliminate the harsh looking micro-shakes and gives it a more pleasing and natural motion. Thanks for the video.
Exactly. It’s not magic but it helps cure that gross micro shakes like you said
it's not right, from my test and what i saw at other creators. i think the problem is motion sensor calibration is off in the camera or the lens didn;t communicate the right focal length to the camera.
this video is the perfect example when you need release content to milk the new trend/story.
This is a game-changer. No more reliance on lens IS (as the gyro works better when you turn it off, or use manual lenses), so this means I can concentrate on using cine glass rather than lens IS and active mount compatibility. Really cuts down the micro jitters dramatically (rather than trying to make it like a gimbal glide) This is a big step forward! Thanks so much for the video Michael :)
I agree with your assessment. It still looked handheld but way more pleasing. I don't think I will be throwing my gimbal away because of this, but it definitely seems like it is a nice tool to have.
To activate the Gyro option in the menu you must record with the image stabilization off in the SETUP
Thanks brother. Yeah, it looks pretty cool (no weird corners deformation etc), as you said, it looks like a decent handheld footage. You got your vertical monitor on the right, man? Many people do! Am I the only only one with it on the left? LOL!
Dude love that you film your kids too! They are fantastic test subjects! Haha Yeah I found very similar results, but I also did a test with a 2 degree shutter and wider shot. I think it looks pretty good. But all in all it just makes for better digital stabilization options. I wonder how it would do on top of a gimbal or steady cam of some sort. 🤔
Pretty interesting. I wonder if they will support Sony's gyro data too down the road. It's a great tool to have, but on thing that always hurts when post stabilizing, I find, is the tangential motion blur. Any time your frame moves due to a shake in any direction the image blurs even slightly. That stabilization corrects that, but then you see a more static blurry image. I find with Sony's similar method I get better results when riding the shutter higher but then, of course, you introduce a different looking image all around. In certain situations it would be very helpful, but def not a silver bullet.
100%. Good call out on adjusting shutter speed/angle. But like you said it takes practice to figure out the best combo of everything. There’s not one size fits all. Would definitely be cool to see them support other cameras gyro data
@@SteveBerwick Agreed, I think it's a helpful tool for specific use cases, of which i"m still not sure what yet, hell if that tracking data was available for the compositing!! but otherwise, a stabilizer always is better.
Please make a video on your Davinci Resolve 3 monitor setup! I would love to utilize the extra monitors I have but have never figured out a good solution.
Nice! Now AF test!!
that's not using the gyro properly, the Camera lock is disabled still in the new beta. you're just using standard stabiliser, if you unclick 'zoom' you';ll see what i mean.
The after footage looks great. It’s stabilized but yet it still looks like it’s handheld. I like it
When I try this davinci zooms in like a million. I’m using 6k pro with meike 25mm s35. Davinci’s also crashing so I may need to do a clean install. The things we do for new and shiny. 😎
The little one hanging out was awesome. As a father of two, I miss those days. Gyro feature looks great to me.
I think an optically stabilised lens is essential. I have a camera with OIS lens and one without. Every single shot using camera without OIS lens needs stabilising to get rid of high frequency shake. This gets VERY tedious. Stabilisation in post is best appreciated when it's not essential
I so agree that post stabilization should be used only as needed and not as an essential part of a full workflow haha
The strange thing here is that the Gyro stabe works 100% BETTER when there is not OIS used. I have a 12-60 F4 Leica that looks OK with just the OIS. But turn OFF the OIS and use Gyro Stabe and it's worlds apart. Use it with the stabe ON and then use Gyro makes it look quite awkward. I also note that many lenses with OIS won't work with Gyro on Resolve at the moment.
@@timrober75 Of course it doesn't! Very insightful! OIS would totally mess it up: camera body still moving but no directly analogous impact on image. I guess the next test is which works better: OIS or gyro? I personally love the effect OIS has on the footage, beyond merely stabilising. It adds grace to the movement somehow. I don't think post-stabilisation can compete
@@bradbell4022 I'm planning to use manual lenses more and process the stabilisation as a matter of course when handheld. Looking at the leica with OIS ON and no Gyro, and the OIS OFF with Gyro engaged and it removes the micro jitters and 'feels' too me much more like quality handheld footage. Doesn't necessarily give the 'gimbal' smooth feels, but that's not on my list.
Relying on the post process means I don't have to rig-out or balance gimbals so I'm a bit free-er with the shot... Obviously I am also relying on my 'ninja walk' and keeping my arms close in, but beyond that it does change the goal-posts somewhat.
I'm learning as I go... just used some longer lenses (45-200 and 100-300) and noticed that the gyro hardly helps at all... as all the 'jitters' are magnified and less involving the moving of the body. In these cases, as you said Brad, the OIS is far better. Therefore I can only rely on the gyro for wide lenses with camera in motion (rather than just trying to hold it still). Everyday is a school day!
Just updated. The new menu looks a lot cleaner. I like it. Guess I need to start learning Divinci Resolve.
Yeah I love the UI update. Furthering blackmagics amazing menu design above all other cameras. Def gotta learn Resolve 😉
@@initialfocus it just seems so damn complicated
@@BrandonTalbot once you learn it you won’t be disappointed
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Thanks for the video Michael! They need mention an improvement to the auto focus on this new firmware update; Have you tested it out yet ?
I have not yet as I only have one crappy auto focus lens haha. And remember they don’t have continuous auto focus. Just single spot focus
@@initialfocus Loll thanks man!
I just saw someone on Facebook saying that it doesn’t work if you used an IS lens with IS enabled. Makes sense I guess. Still yet to try it!
Looks good! I'm glad it didnt push it to try and make it look like gimbal footage but instead just making it look like good natural handheld footage. Now I feel I can get those rough looking handheld running shots you see in movies without it looking like total a**
I think the gyro keeps the handheld look and makes it better. It's great!
Higher camera shutter will yield a smoother movement when using gyro stabilization
Great video! First time in your channel
If you allow me one question please. Do you have a video about your display set up? specially one that you explain how do you work with the display in portrait mode?
Thanks in advance and sorry for my English; I'm still learning
Have a Productive and Healthy Day!
Hey welcome! I have not done a desk setup video on this current monitor setup. I actually only re did the setup a couple days ago!
@@initialfocus Thank you so much for answer my question. Actually i was starting to see your video "My Ultimate Video Editing Desk Setup" from jun 18th 2021
Are you planning on doing a video of your new desk set up? I think it would be really cool see how do you work using the portrait mode monitor
Well i think i need to wait.... that's the worst part! lol
Have a great day!
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Any idea if this will work with other cameras, such as the Canon R6 or new R7?
I did some tests! I discovered that gyro stabilisation is missing in Davinci when using stabilized lens.
Thanks for getting this comparison out so quickly for us that haven't been able to trust the Resolve18 beta yet due to the need for stability. I will say this stabilization seems... underwhelming? Compared to other gyro stabilization methods of post stabilization like Reel Steady this seems like it takes a bit of the edge off micro jitters and not much else.
I am curious how this method of stabilization would look with a slightly heavier and well balanced rig with more inertia! Would it defeat the purpose? Or would it look more like a much heavier rig with the perfect amount of sway in the footage?
All solid questions and opinions. I definitely need to do more testing in more situations. Wide angle lenses should get much better results I think and with heavier movement shots like you said. Most of the issues seemed to be in the Z axis up and down walking. So I wonder if on a gimbal or steadicam if this will make it look magical
@@initialfocus Wider angle lenses would definitely get better results as parallax and orientation specific stabilization will have an easier time with less apparent motion in frame. It makes a lot of sense that Z axis stabilization would struggle a bit! I think you’ll find that translational movement (regardless of the axis) will always be more difficult to stabilize if it’s stabilizing it at all.
The in camera gyro is most likely limited to what is referred to as 3DOF, which only records orientation data, as opposed to 6DOF which would be a gyro+accelerometer.
Hope all of that jargon makes sense!
This is exciting. The Lumix 30mm (stabilized lens) is on its way to my house for my Pocket 4k. Handheld with no gimbal is best for my style of filming. Cannot wait to see the combination of the new lens and the gyro stabilization. I am also excited to know when your son will be given access to the family car to work on :)
Well… make sure to turn off the in-lens stabilization or you won’t be able to use gyro stabilization in post
what shutter speed did you use? They say that for good results we have to use higher speed, that?
I get an exception error when I try to use it so I've had no success thus far
This is similar to what I saw on my 4k. I'm still very confused though - why did you compare it to no stabilization instead of comparing it to existing software stabilization options? I think the question everyone is asking is not "is this better than nothing" - it's whether it's better than the other options.
That’s fair feedback. Next time I’ll be sure to include other traditional stabilizations in addition to the new one
This video might help : ua-cam.com/video/dVAd5xroax0/v-deo.html
@@GimbleProductions yeah! that was great
I can say it is better than any generally used stabilisation in Resolve. It is also better than the lenses I'm using's IS too. You need to remember to switch OFF the lens IS as the Gyro can end up 'fighting' with what the lens has done. I have tested Panasonic Leica 12-60 and Voigtlander 25mm and the gyro stabilisation using lenses with IS turned off or manual lenses is superb.
did you put the lens info in the camera?
I wish you did it in 60fps to see how that worked. But thanks you for doing this. Downloading the update now and so excited
I assume you calibrated the Motion Sensor before running the tests?
Hello! I have the latest davinci 18.1.2. with a license, BM 4K is also updated to the latest firmware, but the gyro stabilization function is stupidly not in the list of stubs. I shot in braw, turned off the stub on the lens, turned on the optics stabilization function, the camera automatically entered the parameters of the lens (panasonic 12-35). What is the matter, comrades? Help!
Did you calibrate the camera yet?
what lens do you use for the test?
Ermmm... Am I missing something.? It still has the hi freq' shake. I dont see magic, I just see bit more stable. The feature should be called 'a bit less shaky stabilization'
Can This stabalize footage from zv1 as well? it records gyro data as well
Also: this is Braw or Prores?
I have the newest version of the software and do not have this feature. Did I misunderstand this, maybe it is only available on beta software and not in the main line?
Did you try it with BRAW footage shot on a camera with the 7.9 update?
My PC is kinda on the cusp of coping with warp stabilised footage. Does gyro stabilisation have a similar effect to warp in terms of slowing down my playback and sucking processing power?
Honestly, I think the approach they're taking to the gyro stabilization is the sweet spot. Compared to Catalyst browse, Resolve flies through stabilizing the clips using the gyro data and in my experience so far it functionally removes all the micro-jitters when working on a gimbal. I don't think beefing up the stabilization for fully handheld pans and walking shots without any lens IS would be a good call since it will probably require a ton more time to stabilize each clip. As always, if working handheld it comes down to either building up a heavy rig or using a lens with good OIS.
It isn't perfect however; I've noticed some serious aliasing in sharp edges when using the gyro stabilization that makes it unusable at the moment, but I'm hoping that's just a bug that'll get patched out sooner rather than later.
Is this a naked camera shoot? Or do u have a handheld rig? Cuz u dont, with rig and post, it will be better.
Supposedly you can get a better result with a faster shutter speed. Going to try it out once I get beta 4 downloaded.
That could make sense since it would have clearer frames to analyze. Def need more testing 👍🏼
Actually it won’t. The frame isn’t being analysed. It is the gyro data. Shooting hfr only helps avoid the motionblur that get visual when stabilizing.
You would be correct if it was only looking at the gyro data but Blackmagic has stated it’s a combo of gyro data and AI, so my guess is there is some frame analyzing going on
Is it comparable to sony's catalyst browse? catalyst browse only work with AF lenses
Can it take Gyro data from Sony cameras?
I think it should work a lot better at a 90-degree shutter angle
What up Michael! Wait, this is live!?!?! I thought it was just in cam and not Davinci yet? No more strapping an extra gopro to the drone😅
Yup! The Resolve update came out this morning!
@@initialfocus Haha I just installed Resolve yesterday. Go figure. Will be updating the cam and flying again. Thanks🤘
Hmm, its not working with my Sigma 18-50 2.8....
So ...its not working with every Lens?
In my opinion it's definitely not quite there yet. I've been using it with my P4K for the last few months, and software stabilization algorithms are much smoother. I only use it for clips where software stabilization produces artifacts and aren't an option. Otherwise it doesn't work nearly as well, footage is a little smoother but still bumpy.
I have a sigma 17mm to 50mm 2.8 and the gyro stabization won't show on the clips I record with it ,but I does show when I use my sigma 18-35 1.8.
Do you have lens stabilization turned off? Other comments have reported you have to have it off to work? I use cine lenses so I cant confirm that
@@initialfocus I tryed with stabilization off and on and doesn't work .
does it work for the 6k pro or only the 4k?
Thanks! Do you have to turn the Gyro on in camera? Or just shooting in BRAW it automatically adds it?
I haven’t found any gyro settings in the menus. So it’s captured automatically in the BRAW data
Make Sure to turn off optical image stabilization otherwise ist Not captured / available
Yeah i will stick with the gh6 thanks
works with Sony cameras with gyro too?
Yeah I did my test this morning as well yeah it’s.. meh.. a Little disappointed grant did present this like it was going to be smoother like a gimbal but I’m hoping this is going to be improved down the line.
Yup totally understand that response!
@@initialfocus Hi made a discovery. CALIBRATE THE MOTION SENSOR!!!!!! in the setup menu. it made ALL the difference I change my mind about it now. still not perfect but it's great.
Does anyone know if Gyro works on the free version of resolve?
What about Gyro on the Sony A7c?
So far I have tried the gyro stabilization 6 or 7 times and it was completely unusable. It is likely just to do with the type of movement in my particular footage. But just a heads up to anyone who needs to hear it, this feature might not help you out at all. Or it might be perfect.
I am not seeing the Gyro option under the stabilization tab, would you know the reason why? I have Resolve 18 Bata, Calibrated the sensor so I am not sure what's up.
YOU NEED TO UPDATE CAMERA TOO
@@SaahilPoonawala0206 thanks I did.
One thing is for sure, the test footage that black magic released had to have been stabilised another way other than just gyro
great video...im not that impressed tho..think ill stay with pro res and final cut. Thanks for the video man!
Do I have to shoot in braw for this or can I still get this feature when shooting pro res?
Almost certain it has to be BRAW as it’s stored in the raw data.
i updated my Resolve 18 to Beta 5 and updated my BMPCC4K to 7.9 but still cant find this Gyro option?
Did you record new clips after updating to 7.9 on your camera? It won’t work with clips shot prior to 7.9
Format the sdcard or USB drive.
You have to turn off optical image stabilization in the bmpcc menu. Otherwise ist will not work
@@christianblinde thank you. I disabled the image stabilization and now it works 👍👍👍
Sony Camera Gyro Data Support would be nice
So it only works with lens stabilisation disabled.
While I understand why this is technically required, it scares me.
I wish that even if we use lens stabilisation, we could still have the option to use the gyro data. The results may or may not be good, but I'd like to have the option.
I don't get it. In neither my tests nor yours are the results anywhere near as impressive as what Grant showed in his demonstration. How can that be?
will it work on OG pocket?
The only improvement I need on Davinci 18 is the gyro stab on Sony cameras
does it work with Pocket 6k*
It definitely helps but not really by much. Still it's better than no stabilization so I'm not complaining.
Can you please please sort that audio.
I don’t understand how you have access to this. I’ve done all the updates. Checked and double checked, recalibrated gyro and did all the v18 and v17 resolves and the option is not there.
I've found it only works for .braw :/
And you imported new footage shot on a pocket camera with the 7.9 firmware? You won’t see it with any other footage
@@initialfocus yes 7.9 firmware and 18 beta 4 not an option . I’ve tried mac and windows 10 and 11 it’s not there. .braw. i’ve also poured through the new raw sdk and can’t find the gyro info trying to pull it into gyroflow .
@@Shauny_D Hello, I was not able to get gyro stabilization on DaVinci either so I did a few tests. and found out that with my sigma 17-70mm lens on my camera, gyro stabilization option doesn't show up, however when I take the lens off and film with no lens on it dose show up. only guess I can come up with is that: even though I have the OS ( optical stabilization ) off on the lens
it thinks the OS is on and won't allow gyro stabilization to activate on DaVinci. hope this can help
@@crazybuilder908 interesting i’ll have to mess with that... i did use sigma 24-70 for one test but also a cinema non electronic lens
Is DaVinci 18 final version released
Nope still on public beta. Beta 5 I believe.
bmpcc4k can be work?
A bit disappointing if I’m honest. The micro jitters remained but were very minimally reduced. I would love to see a test with a stabilized lens.
I was half excited and half disappointed with this new feature. I did a few tests this afternoon with it on my own and it definitely helps the footage, but it’s certainly not gimbal smooth like you said. Thanks for sharing your views and demos with us.
Check out this video, it might help ua-cam.com/video/dVAd5xroax0/v-deo.html
Still waiting for your video upgrading your Mac pro! it’s been 3 MONTHS since you mentioned it! 🤗😅 Come on man!
Does this work on BRAW clips only or also on ProRes?
I believe only BRAW as it’s baked in with the raw data
@@initialfocus Thanks, I just tried to do a test, but I do not find the option in DR, recorded in BRAW
@@mrkumaran same I also wasn't able to find the option in the normal dropdown menu.
Can you do this with any camera that has gyro
I don’t believe so. The resolve feature only is reading gyro data from BRAW files as far as I know
Something is off with your gyro stabilization, maybe it needs a motion sensor calibration in the camera or the your lens didnt comunicate the corect focal lenght to the camera......Your video structure quality is low, it seems that you have to juice that trend. Disapointed.
Better but still far from great, thanks for the video! Cheers
Weird I feel like I get better results on my sony Catalyst Browes
I’ve heard good things about that! Keep in mind this is beta so it may improve!
@@initialfocus very true. Black magic has never been one to leave things as is.
Tell me you didn’t shoot with IS on on your lens.
I use cine lenses. No AF or IS at all in lenses lol
Does not convince me, my gimbal yes it really does.
Seems like the jellow effect is also removed
Yeah that’s the biggest thing to me. Its not crazy stable but it’s stable enough while not adding ugly jello
@@initialfocus 💪💪
@@initialfocus no need to get a global shutter anymore
If only i could afford a black magic camera... sigh...
😭 they should also support sony a7sIII
wow. the footage does not sell it. The sony series with their app is so much better. Maybe the code needs to be updated or something.
Thanks so much for letting us know about this feature. I just tested it out and it's incredible! This can totally replace a gimbal. I'd pay $500 for this upgrade and we get it for free!
Not too Happy for this chappy. But great video like always
I tested this with my 6K Pro and the Sigma 18-35 and it looks MUCH better than this. I have a theory: we know that gyro doesn't work with an IS lens. You're using cine lenses so of course they don't have IS. HOWEVER -- the gyro calculation requires an accurate lens profile (mostly focal length) to make the correct counter adjustment based on the gyro data. I think the problem is that your cine lenses aren't communicating lens data (focal length) to the camera. If you swipe horizontally on your camera, what info about the lens shows up? My camera recognizes the Sigma 18-35 and records the focal length and focus distance (you can see under "lens data" tab on camera) in realtime on a per-frame basis. The gyro stabilization needs this info in order to work properly!
To get around this, if your lens isn't communicating the focal length and it's just a prime cine lens, you could manually input the focal length into the metadata when you shoot and that should make a massive difference in the gyro stabilization quality!
That’s a very interesting point! Yes my cine lens doesn’t show any data on that screen by default. I’ll input it manually and do some re tests!
I realized the same, but manually entering focal length did not fix it for me. Maybe you need data for a lens that exists (not focal length only)? Do you guys know if there is a way to change the data in resolve in order for easier testing?
@@christianblinde I looked around in Resolve and couldn’t find a way to manually enter it (maybe the Fusion tab has a way of accessing that info?). You could do it with the BRAW SDK but that’s beyond my scope. That’s a bummer to hear that manually entering the focal length in camera doesn’t seem to have an effect. I remember back on the Sony cameras with ibis you’d have to manually enter the focal length of an adapted lens if you wanted ibis to work properly so I was hoping this would be the same. I’m pretty happy with the results I got with my 18-35mm though! Super excited to be able to use the Blackmagic as a walk-around camera!
@@christianblinde I just had another thought - have you calibrated your motion sensor recently in your camera? I’ve never needed to do it but that could be another factor. I really wish Blackmagic did an in-depth video about the details of getting a good gyro stabilization…
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100% scam. I’m banning the fake accounts as fast as I see them come in. I’ll never do a giveaway or any reward through WhatsApp lol
unfortunately the change is too minor for my taste
Tested this stuff an hour ago - on a soft small moves works literally better, than my old Lumix G7-s IBIS + old Vario G lens. Very impressive, but limited. And buggy.
I'll do my review tomorrow - you can subscribe, if ofc You can comprehend ukrainian videos with english subtitles.
It is well known the beta version of children is destabilizing for the alpha male (women too) 😁 Repeat with other subjects and the results will surely be more satisfactory 😋.Nevertheless, thank you for this test and I will wait a bit... 🍻
It appears that you didn't shoot in RAW. Your results will be a LOT better if you shoot in RAW. See this vid here: ua-cam.com/video/dkq3I-QF4U8/v-deo.html
I always shoot RAW lol
From your test video it is far worse than gyroflow. Why not just use gyroflow which is expert in doing this job