A lot of these comments are depressing to read. Lots of negativity here. It’s a good video, it’s informative, and while the term “D&D Killer” is divisive, it’s probably there to get people to watch the video. I think TTRPG fans could learn a lot from the games they play, like maybe stop thinking you’re the main character and relax a bit. We’re all in this together and we should be rooting for someone to come by and rival Wizards in any of their spaces. It’ll encourage them to make better stuff and then we’d all win. Anyways, I’m very excited for Daggerheart. Great video.
I have SDARK and it is quick to learn. I still play a modified version of 2e but I think SD is the better choice. The other two look like 5e rip offs..
Really appreciate you giving an overview of these systems. With so many great RPGs lined up for the next year, I think the tabletop hobby is going to see a renaissance of great post-5e games. D&D on the otherhand I think is due a dip in popularity. I wouldn't go so far as saying D&D is dying... It'll be more like a jail break of players escaping the "D&D dungeon". I would also like to bring another system to your attention if I may. Over the past year, since the OGL saga, I've been working on a system called Freedom Fantasies which takes the 5e chassis and evolves it into a more intuitive system with greater freedom for storytelling outside the fantasy genre. It's also an entirely open access system, where content is actively being uploaded for free access and open licensing (CC 4.0). The alpha development stage is finished and the documents for the beta release are being polished, and the release will include introductory and game design discussion videos on my YT channel. Happy to discuss more with you if you have any interest. 🙂
Having seen some actual plays now, Daggerheart really impresses me. Initially I thought it would be sort of rules light with a focus on rp, but it's nothing like I expected. The mechanics are well-designed, smooth, and easy enough to understand for anyone new to rpg's or just to DH. The no initiative system works very well; the mechanics enable the DM to take actions whenever it fits. And the character depth, within what is indeed a simpler system than D&D, is meaty enough to inspire without drowning in "drama." And I really like the use of cards for ease of reference and efficiency (it's not a card game, thank the gods). Along with DC20, Shadowdark, and now Nimble, this looks like one of the most promising rpg's to come along in a while. (And yes, I'm a big CR fan, but I'm an rpg fan first, and if their game sucked, I'd say so.) It's a good time for gamers. Roll on!
Wait, some people are out there saying Stormlight RPG is going to be a D&D killer?...Is the concept of "D&D Killer" changed in the last couple of months? How can an RPG system designed around a specific IP, a world crafted for a saga/series of novels, that is not your stereotypical fantasy ,and has a very different perspective and direction....be comparable to D&D? Asking for a friend
Had the logo of DC20 by the dungeon coach! This game looks very promising!! Look it up, they’re in the alpha phase but it is already a very good game/system
...sqeeezing as much money as they can from their niche/elite fanbase..? The only thing that can "kill" D&D is Hasbro, and they have been rather successful at it lately.
A bit of a hater but kind of agree but there's that same time I think the India is doing almost for usual despite the 1 d&d incident as well as a certain incident even though that's it from a different property as well as months ago and I think I don't think they want to do that ever again Usher Hasbro will fix up d&d and we back to our business although there will be a bunch of rivals I'm going to wait for either this, is going to age like wine or milk
I'm also working on a game of my own that's very much OSR, but designed to be more of a Tolkenian "Classical Fantasy" game with less emphasis on high-level magic and characters and more on heroic adventure in a truly medieval world. It's certainly more "indie" than any of these big blockbuster games, but I plan on making both a 5E and Opend6 variant. There's also lots of other games from the indie space coming out that you may want to cover.
@simonfernandes6809 L&D removes a lot of the D&Disms in favor of historical accuracy, I keep them in but change the flavor and reduce the power level a bit. One is historical fantasy the other is faerie tale. They're vastly, vastly different games.
@@dicebringer I feel like I have seen other systems attempt what you are doing. I can't name them as I only really heard about them in passing and moved on, but it seems like the market for such game is extremely saturated atm. If you intend to sell it commerically, I wish you good luck cuz you're gonna need it
If Candela Obscura is any measure of things, then Daggerheart will be a fucking disaster. Shadowdark is great! My former 5E group jumped ship recently and we are having a blast. I have no experience with anything related to Stormlight Archive, but the character sheet didn't give me a good feeling. Gave me strong 3E crunchiness vibes.
How would you discribe a number generator which has an equal chance to generate any of the natural numbers in a range when compared to a bell curve number generator?
Honestly if you are dissatisfied or bored with D&D5e, as so many are now days, don't look towards these random indie joes to come up with next great thing in the future.. the lost treasure is in the past, look backward to old school dungeons and dragons. Anything from B/X to BECMI to AD&D is far superior to anything that WoTC or these modern creators have come up with. All these guys use modern designs that just end up sanitizing the game in a way that makes it less satisfying. It's like playing a game with water wings on. The magic was in the past, it was lightning in a bottle and it's not so easily replicated. Just play AD&D, it's so fucking good and in my books it still hasn't been anywhere near surpassed since.
@@zantharian57 No such thing as perfection. Merely games that tick the majority of boxes. For me that game was Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e. It ticked more boxes than ANY edition of D&D.
The terminology you’re using carries a lot of weight that after watching the video I’m not sure you intend. “X Killer” is probably most recognizably known for being used in reference to World of Warcraft (WoW). When something is called a “WoW Killer”, the term has come to be a mocking term for a mmo that has very little to no reason to play it over WoW except as a means of being a rebound game for people who have left WoW for whatever reason, while maintaining a very similar gameplay style.
Even if one of these does beat the extremely long odds and "Kills" D&D, what happens. Corporate takeover (Probs Hasbro), and the enshittification that implies. All hail the new D&D. Meanwhile back in reality, these are likely to achieve a fraction of D&D's spread, but benefit form their D&D-like selling points. I dislike saying it, but without D&D there's almost no industry, and we'd all be plying monopoly or snap.
@@steveholmes11 I doubt that. There will always be other role-playing games. Because DND cannot properly represent every type of adventure game or even fantasy adventure games. That’s why people make different ones. that’s why people still make art even in general. also what you’re saying only really applies to the western world. In Japan call of Cthulhu is way more prominent than dungeons and dragons. I have also heard in different parts of Europe different things are popular. What you’re saying basically applies only to America and even then it is only speaking to the plurality of RPG gamers in America. There are enough people who are hungry for different stuff to support a healthy independent RPG market. And there are always going to be people making things regardless of monetary compensation because people have an innate drive to create stuff
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 I'm not sure that contradicts my point. I'll repeat in different words, creating something that's a D&D reskin from a different publishing house seems a fools errand. Nothing to do with other genres of TTRPG. It's that the D&D market has one big player, and a small pool of also-rans (Predominantly pathfinder). The hobby is still at the "Nobody got sacked for buying IBM" stage. If / when it moves on, it won't be to something that's 90% D&D with a different name.
man , you really need to work on your delivery skills . Yes your voice is soothing to hear but your delivery is very monotone, it reminded me of some of the university teachers i had that made lectures very tedious to follow
This made me laugh because I have a background in academia. It could also be the autism, who knows. Audio has been extremely tough to figure out and my #1 priority has been clarity and perhaps that makes it monotone.
By any chance, did you use a tool to apply any noise removal or voice enhancements? Another YTer made a point to not use the one in Adobe Premiere because it would flatten her delivery.
@@sunstrider-moondiver Yes, I do a lot of post-processing in Audacity that involves a noise removal tool, so that could be it! My mic picks up a lot of ambient noise so I have to run an algorithm to remove it. That is definitely something to look out for.
I think Stormlight Archive RPG is probably would be better than Daggerheart. Is just a hunch.
A lot of these comments are depressing to read. Lots of negativity here. It’s a good video, it’s informative, and while the term “D&D Killer” is divisive, it’s probably there to get people to watch the video.
I think TTRPG fans could learn a lot from the games they play, like maybe stop thinking you’re the main character and relax a bit. We’re all in this together and we should be rooting for someone to come by and rival Wizards in any of their spaces. It’ll encourage them to make better stuff and then we’d all win.
Anyways, I’m very excited for Daggerheart. Great video.
I have SDARK and it is quick to learn. I still play a modified version of 2e but I think SD is the better choice. The other two look like 5e rip offs..
I am looking forward to Shadow of the Weird Wizard! It promises some nice features and a different direction than Shadow of the Demon Lord.
Definitely stoked on that one. I think Shadow of the Demon Lord is one of the best RPGs that doesn't get near enough love.
Really appreciate you giving an overview of these systems. With so many great RPGs lined up for the next year, I think the tabletop hobby is going to see a renaissance of great post-5e games. D&D on the otherhand I think is due a dip in popularity. I wouldn't go so far as saying D&D is dying... It'll be more like a jail break of players escaping the "D&D dungeon".
I would also like to bring another system to your attention if I may. Over the past year, since the OGL saga, I've been working on a system called Freedom Fantasies which takes the 5e chassis and evolves it into a more intuitive system with greater freedom for storytelling outside the fantasy genre. It's also an entirely open access system, where content is actively being uploaded for free access and open licensing (CC 4.0).
The alpha development stage is finished and the documents for the beta release are being polished, and the release will include introductory and game design discussion videos on my YT channel. Happy to discuss more with you if you have any interest. 🙂
Having seen some actual plays now, Daggerheart really impresses me. Initially I thought it would be sort of rules light with a focus on rp, but it's nothing like I expected. The mechanics are well-designed, smooth, and easy enough to understand for anyone new to rpg's or just to DH. The no initiative system works very well; the mechanics enable the DM to take actions whenever it fits. And the character depth, within what is indeed a simpler system than D&D, is meaty enough to inspire without drowning in "drama." And I really like the use of cards for ease of reference and efficiency (it's not a card game, thank the gods). Along with DC20, Shadowdark, and now Nimble, this looks like one of the most promising rpg's to come along in a while. (And yes, I'm a big CR fan, but I'm an rpg fan first, and if their game sucked, I'd say so.) It's a good time for gamers. Roll on!
It’d be cool to see an update on this once Daggerheart sees a full release.
Wait, some people are out there saying Stormlight RPG is going to be a D&D killer?...Is the concept of "D&D Killer" changed in the last couple of months?
How can an RPG system designed around a specific IP, a world crafted for a saga/series of novels, that is not your stereotypical fantasy ,and has a very different perspective and direction....be comparable to D&D? Asking for a friend
Had the logo of DC20 by the dungeon coach! This game looks very promising!! Look it up, they’re in the alpha phase but it is already a very good game/system
DC20 was in the last video! There seems to be a lot of folks excited for it.
Great video! Just some minor mistakes like typos at 3:33 "Polgyon" and 4:10 pyramid shape and not a bell curve (bell curve is 3 dice or more)
Looooove me some Shadowdark! ❤❤❤❤❤
Same! It’s my favorite rpg!
im playing BECMI D&D, Rolemaster and Runequest. No D&D 5E at all. Old School for the win ;)
...sqeeezing as much money as they can from their niche/elite fanbase..?
The only thing that can "kill" D&D is Hasbro, and they have been rather successful at it lately.
A bit of a hater but kind of agree but there's that same time I think the India is doing almost for usual despite the 1 d&d incident as well as a certain incident even though that's it from a different property as well as months ago and I think I don't think they want to do that ever again
Usher Hasbro will fix up d&d and we back to our business although there will be a bunch of rivals
I'm going to wait for either this, is going to age like wine or milk
I'm also working on a game of my own that's very much OSR, but designed to be more of a Tolkenian "Classical Fantasy" game with less emphasis on high-level magic and characters and more on heroic adventure in a truly medieval world. It's certainly more "indie" than any of these big blockbuster games, but I plan on making both a 5E and Opend6 variant. There's also lots of other games from the indie space coming out that you may want to cover.
Your OSR game already exists, created by the RPG Pundit. I believe it's called Lion and Dragon.
@simonfernandes6809 L&D removes a lot of the D&Disms in favor of historical accuracy, I keep them in but change the flavor and reduce the power level a bit. One is historical fantasy the other is faerie tale. They're vastly, vastly different games.
@@dicebringer I feel like I have seen other systems attempt what you are doing. I can't name them as I only really heard about them in passing and moved on, but it seems like the market for such game is extremely saturated atm. If you intend to sell it commerically, I wish you good luck cuz you're gonna need it
great video and great recommendations! I got plans to cover the same games for similar reasons :)
Heck yeah, looking forward to it!
If Candela Obscura is any measure of things, then Daggerheart will be a fucking disaster. Shadowdark is great! My former 5E group jumped ship recently and we are having a blast. I have no experience with anything related to Stormlight Archive, but the character sheet didn't give me a good feeling. Gave me strong 3E crunchiness vibes.
Nah, if I wanted to play my favorite game it would be Mage: the Ascension.
Dude, cover Vagabond
When a game reviewer says "Swingy" you can bet they have a minimal grasp of probability.
How would you discribe a number generator which has an equal chance to generate any of the natural numbers in a range when compared to a bell curve number generator?
What about FateForge?
That was 4
Honestly if you are dissatisfied or bored with D&D5e, as so many are now days, don't look towards these random indie joes to come up with next great thing in the future.. the lost treasure is in the past, look backward to old school dungeons and dragons.
Anything from B/X to BECMI to AD&D is far superior to anything that WoTC or these modern creators have come up with. All these guys use modern designs that just end up sanitizing the game in a way that makes it less satisfying. It's like playing a game with water wings on. The magic was in the past, it was lightning in a bottle and it's not so easily replicated.
Just play AD&D, it's so fucking good and in my books it still hasn't been anywhere near surpassed since.
I played AD&D 2e a lot back in the day - it's far from perfect.
@@simonfernandes6809 no one is claiming perfection. Besides, do you know another game that is perfect?
@@zantharian57 No such thing as perfection. Merely games that tick the majority of boxes. For me that game was Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e. It ticked more boxes than ANY edition of D&D.
Or Savage Worlds, Forbidden Lands, Traveller.
The terminology you’re using carries a lot of weight that after watching the video I’m not sure you intend.
“X Killer” is probably most recognizably known for being used in reference to World of Warcraft (WoW). When something is called a “WoW Killer”, the term has come to be a mocking term for a mmo that has very little to no reason to play it over WoW except as a means of being a rebound game for people who have left WoW for whatever reason, while maintaining a very similar gameplay style.
I have no idea why people who arent weird cultists like Brandon Sanderson
You're saying there's a Sanderson cult? He is pretty charismatic...
@@Wiz_and_Pippy I believe the commenter is talking about Mormonism, as Sanderson is a Mormon.
Conceited statement of your own lack of empathy. He's one of the best selling authors in the world, and certainly in fantasy.
I’m never playing a game called Daggerheart. It’s a lame name.
why call them d&d killers when d&d will outlive all of them?
Even if one of these does beat the extremely long odds and "Kills" D&D, what happens.
Corporate takeover (Probs Hasbro), and the enshittification that implies.
All hail the new D&D.
Meanwhile back in reality, these are likely to achieve a fraction of D&D's spread, but benefit form their D&D-like selling points.
I dislike saying it, but without D&D there's almost no industry, and we'd all be plying monopoly or snap.
@@steveholmes11 I doubt that. There will always be other role-playing games. Because DND cannot properly represent every type of adventure game or even fantasy adventure games. That’s why people make different ones. that’s why people still make art even in general. also what you’re saying only really applies to the western world. In Japan call of Cthulhu is way more prominent than dungeons and dragons. I have also heard in different parts of Europe different things are popular. What you’re saying basically applies only to America and even then it is only speaking to the plurality of RPG gamers in America. There are enough people who are hungry for different stuff to support a healthy independent RPG market. And there are always going to be people making things regardless of monetary compensation because people have an innate drive to create stuff
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 I'm not sure that contradicts my point.
I'll repeat in different words, creating something that's a D&D reskin from a different publishing house seems a fools errand.
Nothing to do with other genres of TTRPG. It's that the D&D market has one big player, and a small pool of also-rans (Predominantly pathfinder).
The hobby is still at the "Nobody got sacked for buying IBM" stage.
If / when it moves on, it won't be to something that's 90% D&D with a different name.
Yeah I can kind of agree but at the exact same I feel like there will be some competition to keep this entertaining at least for a little while
I don’t like D&D very much (at least the last versions), but I totally agree with you. The King is the King
man , you really need to work on your delivery skills . Yes your voice is soothing to hear but your delivery is very monotone,
it reminded me of some of the university teachers i had that made lectures very tedious to follow
This made me laugh because I have a background in academia. It could also be the autism, who knows. Audio has been extremely tough to figure out and my #1 priority has been clarity and perhaps that makes it monotone.
By any chance, did you use a tool to apply any noise removal or voice enhancements? Another YTer made a point to not use the one in Adobe Premiere because it would flatten her delivery.
@@sunstrider-moondiver Yes, I do a lot of post-processing in Audacity that involves a noise removal tool, so that could be it! My mic picks up a lot of ambient noise so I have to run an algorithm to remove it. That is definitely something to look out for.
Nothing more than an advertisement. Disgusting.