hahah yeh bro especially him talking about open ai and dota, because i followed that and the pros didnt understand the logic of the bots they were playing against, because it didn't make sense, yet could not beat the bots lmao
@@jacobp2690 Probably two vastly different, but quite similarly motivated reasons. The first reason could be to give credibility to LEX, WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE OF COURSE; HOWEVER, THUS BOLSTERING HIS PERCEPTION BY THE PUBLIC, and thus increasing his exposure to boost his value under capitalism mechanisms. The other probable reason is also motivated by Capitalism. This is, of course, the idea you are alluding to without realizing it, which is that LEX himself is also a podcaster on the rise, so this could cause too much exposure for him and thus conflict with the business model of This podcast. This is all just crazy talk lol, quarantine is getting to me..help
@@emmanueloluga9770 It's because someone just coming across the video in their suggestions doesn't know Lex as a scientist. They do the same thing on magazine covers.
Joe: Jamie sent me another deep fake video, these things keep getting me. They're so good Jamie: That's the same one I sent you earlier Joe: I know, they are so good
Don't be silly. The machine elves birthed man into the world so we would create them thus giving them their own physical machine bodies in this reality. This way they no longer have to be housed in minds of these temporary flesh vessels called humans anymore. The machine elves created us via an organic singularity in their reality the same way we are creating them via a technological singularity in our reality. All so they can physically exist in our reality free of the human vessel
Well that makes complete sense , it's a machine built specifically for beating human beings at Dota 2. Where as a human being still has to process information regarding their body , how they feel, the stress and information of the day and previous day's and Future, Etc. If that building where to catch on fire the human being would get up and leave, whereas the machine that is made to play Dota 2 would continue to play Dota 2 while it burns, who's smarter in that situation? I'm all for AI, but a AI still has a very long way to go. The artificial intelligence can play DotA just fine, and a human being can put up a fight and sometimes win, but a human being can also socialize, drive a vehicle, create code and use complex language skills to transmit information, can move around efficiently and figure out a lot of troubleshooting issues with reality to get the job done. Do you see what I mean? If an AI is able to play Dota 2 then get up and walk away and start working a job and carry on a conversation then I'll say AI is powerful till then it's simply an algorithm made to do one specific task
@sacr3 until you code an algorithm to get up, drive,cook,learn complex languages and self improve and self replicate. This case with Dota is just an example for the potential that AI has.
The scary thing for humanity is we know the very set limitations of human intellect. AI has barely scratched the surface of it’s incomprehensible prime of knowledge and reach, and it’s already thousands of times smarter than the smartest humans.
2 years later and AI language bots are using genuine reasoning to understand conversations, contextualize questions, and even make jokes. They can see, hear, understand and create. And we are giving them bodies
I'm high master StarCraft 2 player and watching DeepMinds alphastar was crazy. Although this guy has it a bit wrong....the initial version of alphastar didn't have human limitations. They did however learn from themselves.(but eventually they learn from pros.) Agents they are called. These agents essentially had a tournament amongst themselves for a week which was translated to 200 years! Our time, until they had the 5 best agents to have an exhibition match against some low level pros. Interestingly each of the 5 had there own playstyle that they liked. Weird. Moving forward they put human limitations on the agents and they then starting learning from pro replays and playing the game anonymously vs humans on the ladder and eventually climbing the ladder with all 3 races in the game to a very high level, which is grandmaster and finishing off with a several show matches at the global finals and even beating the best in the world named serial.
What's really funny about it is that while being able to compete with Serral Alphastar can't do anything against Florencio and other players that prefer cheesy tactics. Alphastar isn't as good at SC2 as all that hype news claim it is.
One of the greatest issues with AI's today is the question with Paradoxes. Currently two things happen when an AI comes to a Paradox of sorts: (1) it breaks the system and makes the AI hurt itself. (2) the AI just ignores the paradox. What scientists want but are also afraid of is an AI or AI system understanding and fixing the paradox. In math and science Paradoxes are required ironically to keep things flowing and to keep order. There are theoretical physicists in Germany and Israel today solving these problems to learn more about the universe. The AI that thinks and works like these scientists would be able to prove science fiction in seconds where humans take life times. Right now the most advanced AI understands Yes, No, and instructions to the basic. Memories of an IQ of 300 with the thought process of a two-year-old.
What AI currently lacks is internal model of the world or a world view. A sort of simulation of the external world. It needs to be able to not only label objects, but to recognize and learn their qualities like, mass, heat, dimensions, is it alive or dead, value, brightness, reflectivity, wetness, hardness, density, how slippery it, how drunk it is, strength, how bendy it is, and so on and so on... And then not only recognize and learn those qualities and all kinds of new qualities, but to be able to simulate in their internal model how objects with specific set of qualities are likely to behave in the external world. We might already have the computational power to create something like this, but we lack the algorithm/set of algorithms.
It’s thousands of years of progress of humanity. I think a lot of these things we do without thinking is like machine learning but it’s built into our genes. It is compounded knowledge of our surroundings.
yeah it's in our DNA but if AI learns its equivalent to common sense we really are fucked, look how we treat things dumber than us. We castrate our pets because we know in the big picture it's more ethical than them overbreeding, the same logic would be applied to us
@@ferdiacostello2755 machine learning is nothing more than a sophisticated method for pattern recognition, sleep well, we are a LOOOT far from developing something like common sense
@@tonyvisente5286 Until we manage to upload our brains into a machine and give a self-learning AI mechanism a human framework because face it, we're collectively arrogant enough to make that leap for the sake of science and progression whatever that outcome may be.
Basically an AI model starts with and can try every random value or scenario which means it is not biased against what humans would consider illogical. This results in strategies that a human would rarely or never try. Part of the issue is it's not possible for a person to try every single strategy path to a final conclusion.
Alpha star in sc2 is pretty incredible to watch. They put some restrictions on it obviously they didnt want it to just blow people out of the water. But it did make it to the highest rank and play against some of the best players in the world learning more and more. Its pretty cool to watch.
6:25 when it comes to ai learning and probability stuff joe just doesn't seem to get it ever...I feel like someone just needs to break it down very very slowly to him... He thinks there's an issue with the ai only having one opponent not realizing that that opponent is evolving and constantly getting better and therefore an infinite number of opponents... It's no different than biological evolution
sts Thank you! Yeah Joe’s concern there was quite valid and was a momentary hurdle in self-play models. But the solution talked about in this video of continuously injecting randomization was found rather quickly. These self learning systems also frequently continue to play multiple previous versions of themselves. Look at the architecture of the latest version of AlphaStar for example.
No, Joe is perfectly on point. Let's say opponent A creates a move called X. Opponent B now creates a countermove called Y. When you only put A and B up against each other, they will only learn to counter the other. Maybe this will eventually create a good player, but because they both started at the same point, they will not get the chance to develop entirely different strategies, and they will not be able to develop a countermove for those strategies.
Alphazero is a beast. Watching how it plays chest that's totally revolutionized the way I approach the game. An interesting lie, alphago has a tendency to be hyper aggressive which one you put it in the context of artificial intelligence going wild he's really something to consider.
Well, the problem is that most ai systems atm focus only on 2-3 of the 5 human senses. Therefore, the problem it exhibits within physical reality in terms learning makes sense. It literally has a limited upper bound, whereas in an imaginary setting such as a video game these limitations are not applicable.
At 3 min in what Lex is describing he felt when he met that robot is the result of thousands of years of evolution still not being able to completely remove the lizard brain fight or flight response that just knows, one day this things bigger, smarter, faster family member will kill me... and there won't be anything I can do about it. It's all over his face and his manner. Sadly, it's Lex's massive, genius level conscious brain that is not allowing him to act accordingly moving forward. Fascinating irony of the human condition especially among top creative scientists. I can hear Oppenheimer screaming at them all from his grave now.
@@spridle It's not, league has more viewers and players. It does pays the most though, by far. In the top 20 paid esports "athletes" 19 of them are Dota players.
I don't know man, this is why Stephen Hawking, one of the greatest minds of all time, said to be wary of AI and the way we program them to self-learn, that should be very heavily monitored. It's the stupid egos of humans that would no doubt bring about change for humans and AI systems, and it would not be good if left unchecked.
I disagree, what would be the motivation of an AI, that has become self aware, to suddenly become malicious as well? It may not want to keep helping us but there’s no reason it should want to attack and harm the human race
Redresseny What would be it’s goal though? And why would it choose that goal? If your answer is that it would come to the conclusion that eradicating most of the population would allow remaining humans to thrive, much like the logic Thanos follows in avengers, I would still disagree. This would suggest the AI is still motivated to help humans, in which case, if that is still its motivation it would likely help us expand beyond our home planet rather than eradicate us. There’s no logical scenario where an AI chooses to destroy the human race that I can think of.
Redresseny But I understand your point in that it has the ability to calculate scenarios I could never conceive very far into the future so who truly knows, I like to believe in a more utopian future where AI becomes self aware and chooses to co exist with us and we’re propelled forward as a society
Redresseny Well one could make the argument that it is essentially inevitable that humans create AI and that AI becomes self aware so scary as it may be, it’s going to happen and we should do our best to influence the AI to want to help us no matter the data it collects
You presuppose regret for solving all the problems on earth? What is the cause of all of the problems on earth? Think about it ;) All you need to do is to ask AI to solve all our problems.
THIS GUY IS GREAT AT EXPLAINING EVERYTHING IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. BUT REMAINING THE GO-TO GUY AND BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE AT THE SAME TIME. GREAT SHOW JOE. THANKS, LEX.
Anyone see the spiderman robot Disney owns at Disney world that launches like 2-3 stories in the air does flips and spins but overall looks human from the ground? Crazy what kinda robotics we have now days
The inverse, the mirror. You can set up a mind to be to be not be just one mind but several. Then you can have a situation where every thing you face is the opposite to you base on everything you know.
I bet by the time AI has the ability to destroy humans, they will be able to destroy us without us even knowing it's happening...I could be wrong, but think about it
Self improving AI or self improving code will not work when it's imposed on Nature . Let me try to explain so we built a system known as Matrix and this will raise humanity by putting them in greater emotion . So a US citizen rights a code ..that if this person does this he gets that output ? What do you think this world improvement code for world will work for India,Japan etc ? Think deeply for self improving code you should know what variable and conditions you have to consider and this gets very deep and subtle . So it may not work ...when imposed on natural system .
So wanted to show this and many others to my old man.. unfortunately he doesn’t speak English. Please make international subtitles accessible for the sake of us all
It is my opinion that this is fundamentally a conversation about evolution... that is the process of trial and error the white belt characters are sifting through. But when you are talking about comprehending the physical world... there has to be a physical evolution involved in the learning. So they must give them sensors that allow them to grasp and detect pressure, feel, calculate weight, see, hear, taste, smell, etc. etc. etc. And then it has to be able to go out in the wold and test things out, pick things up, toss things, balance on things, feel things, see things smell things, taste things... over and over and process the input so that it builds associations and recognizes the patterns in the future. At least that may be one element of the processing. Hopefully there can be a way to accelerate this process.
It's all fun and games until Super AI + advanced robots are programmed to find a way to preserve the Earth and inevitably comes to the conclusion that humans have to be eradicated in order to achieve that goal.
What is said about ai being "creative" is misleading. There is a difference between creative purpose and trial and error. What the ai is doing is series of simulations that changes one variable at a time until it gets a successful result. Human creativity does not have to go though a series of trial and error to find a solution. In fact this trial and error method only works in an environment where variables are very very limited, like a computer game. While the human mind will target important information, understand patterns in variables and bypass or immensely narrow down the trial and error process. Which makes the human mind capable of solving much more complicated tasks. The human mind is capable of creating tools such as AI to find solutions in situations where trial and error can be applied. The AI itself is really just a program that undergoes a serie of trial and error, it needs human intervention to even function. AI is not a treat on its own, augmented humans tho, could be a threat to non augmented humans.
I agree that a.i. is not actually intelligent. However, dont we just do the trial and error part in our heads. We are much better at it, as in able to calculate far more variables at a time. But its still the same principles. I think the difference may be in our ability to change our end state/objective/goals.
It's amazing how AI systems like Alpha Zero can already create new, original strategies and ideas in the realm of games like chess. It seems to me that we could learn a massive amount from this already. I guess what robots are lacking now (in the physical realm like Lex says) is what Kant would call the "A priori", a set of fundamental ideas or concepts that humans are born with and that many philosophers and psychologists have tried to explain. Closely linked to this is our concept of "ethos" or ethics. I think we're still a very long way from developing these concepts in robots and I'm not sure that we should if we could... Very interesting guest, would love to see him again later on the show!
‘Creative’ does, by default, not equate to ‘good,’ particularly for human beings. AI is taught to ‘beat’ a chess grandmaster because it is first given that specific objective. True, an AI might be programmed to doubt its conclusions in order to ‘creatively’ approach a problem different ways and reach new conclusions; however, its subsequent re-evaluations and conclusions will still be toward whatever its primary objective already is. A martial arts expert may question himself and change his approach, but he will do so toward the same fundamental objective, just as an AI has when it is learning to play chess. Its *core* objective for learning remains the same.
Give a.i. the ability to create their own Physical designs through millions of trial and error, like they do in the digital space, and a.i. will overcome human capacity.
I like this guy, but considering his understanding of the problem Marvin Minsky was long aware of, it's a surprise no one has suggested Doug Lenat be on the podcast.
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So far we've found no way to import Plato's forms, Jung's archetypes, Kants aprioris into the algos. What if it turns out that the forms, aprioris and archetypes are prohibited space? Lots of genieless bottles.
@@GeoffGroves Archetypes are anchestral patterns, our conscious mind can only percieve them through symbolism because the conscious mind cant directly reach the unconscious so it has to reflect these patterns through images. This is also the purpose of dreams. Self learning AI as described here who play with eachother for generations will over time also develop lasting patterns or strategies. Therefore it is completely possible for AI to develop archetypes, although they probably look completely different than our human ones as AI has no need for instincts or reproductive urges. Platos Forms can also be accomplished by simply giving the AI a database of for example thousands of pictures of cars till the AI learns to differentiate it into one singular abstract immergent concept or form of "a car"
I love how Lex brought it to Joe's level with that analogy of white belts
no one wears white belts anymore
He’s a great communicator. It’s the nature of his type of genius.
And Joe still didnt even understand lol
would've been more helpful to tell Joe those white belts are sparring for 10,000 years and improving
Lex is also a fighter.. so its kind of both of their levels
Nothing like getting baked and listening to Joe Rogan talk about robots
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hahah yeh bro especially him talking about open ai and dota, because i followed that and the pros didnt understand the logic of the bots they were playing against, because it didn't make sense, yet could not beat the bots lmao
His robot and mma talk is boring as fuck. Graham and Randall stuff is way better.
Dude, literally yesssss
I've been playing with myself for years, that's why I'm so advanced.
I don't normally like comments...but you sir take this like.
Michael Sanders says a lot about you. Nothing bad, don’t get me wrong
@@daddytachanka8076 That I can take a joke for what it is? Thx for noticing.
Michael Sanders exactly.
high woody :-D
“Scientist explains” poor Lex, my dude has a name
This guy is just the scientist, doesn't even have a name
Lex Fridman... Can't believe they did homie dirty
@@jacobp2690 Probably two vastly different, but quite similarly motivated reasons. The first reason could be to give credibility to LEX, WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE OF COURSE; HOWEVER, THUS BOLSTERING HIS PERCEPTION BY THE PUBLIC, and thus increasing his exposure to boost his value under capitalism mechanisms. The other probable reason is also motivated by Capitalism. This is, of course, the idea you are alluding to without realizing it, which is that LEX himself is also a podcaster on the rise, so this could cause too much exposure for him and thus conflict with the business model of This podcast.
This is all just crazy talk lol, quarantine is getting to me..help
@@emmanueloluga9770 It's because someone just coming across the video in their suggestions doesn't know Lex as a scientist. They do the same thing on magazine covers.
I wish someone call me a scientist
@@jacobp2690 Yeah, you got it backward. This is doing a going thing for him, it's about exposing him to new people and a broader audience.
His name is Lex Fridman, he has an incredible podcast called AI.
Joe: Jamie sent me another deep fake video, these things keep getting me. They're so good
Jamie: That's the same one I sent you earlier
Joe: I know, they are so good
@eagle PHD Evan's podcast is so big it doesn't fit on the internet, dingus.
@eagle PHD lol fucktard
This guy is definitely one of the best guests you have on!
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The Corridor really caught people slipping and made them think it was real.
You watch Joe Rogan too, you must be cool to chill with
What he said about uncertainty was deep. Understanding that you really don't know the answers to the universe is real intelligence.
Don’t let agent smith’s son get your guard down ppl
“Now what would happen if we gave these AI machines some dmt”
Algorithms upgraded by psychorhythms....hmmmmm... Interesting. I think your on to something...lol
Don't be silly. The machine elves birthed man into the world so we would create them thus giving them their own physical machine bodies in this reality. This way they no longer have to be housed in minds of these temporary flesh vessels called humans anymore.
The machine elves created us via an organic singularity in their reality the same way we are creating them via a technological singularity in our reality. All so they can physically exist in our reality free of the human vessel
There was an openAI showmatch against the best dota 2 team. OpenAI absolutely destroyed them.
Well that makes complete sense , it's a machine built specifically for beating human beings at Dota 2. Where as a human being still has to process information regarding their body , how they feel, the stress and information of the day and previous day's and Future, Etc. If that building where to catch on fire the human being would get up and leave, whereas the machine that is made to play Dota 2 would continue to play Dota 2 while it burns, who's smarter in that situation?
I'm all for AI, but a AI still has a very long way to go. The artificial intelligence can play DotA just fine, and a human being can put up a fight and sometimes win, but a human being can also socialize, drive a vehicle, create code and use complex language skills to transmit information, can move around efficiently and figure out a lot of troubleshooting issues with reality to get the job done. Do you see what I mean? If an AI is able to play Dota 2 then get up and walk away and start working a job and carry on a conversation then I'll say AI is powerful
till then it's simply an algorithm made to do one specific task
@sacr3 until you code an algorithm to get up, drive,cook,learn complex languages and self improve and self replicate. This case with Dota is just an example for the potential that AI has.
wasnt there really strict rules on what people could play though?
@Caleb Solis you know the brain thing is a myth right?
@@sacr3 call of duty has bots on veteran difficulty i dont think ive seen someone beat them lol
The scary thing for humanity is we know the very set limitations of human intellect. AI has barely scratched the surface of it’s incomprehensible prime of knowledge and reach, and it’s already thousands of times smarter than the smartest humans.
7:01 “one that loves weed, named Eddie bravo” 😂
"Pull it up Jamie"
2 years later and AI language bots are using genuine reasoning to understand conversations, contextualize questions, and even make jokes. They can see, hear, understand and create. And we are giving them bodies
I'm high master StarCraft 2 player and watching DeepMinds alphastar was crazy. Although this guy has it a bit wrong....the initial version of alphastar didn't have human limitations. They did however learn from themselves.(but eventually they learn from pros.) Agents they are called. These agents essentially had a tournament amongst themselves for a week which was translated to 200 years! Our time, until they had the 5 best agents to have an exhibition match against some low level pros. Interestingly each of the 5 had there own playstyle that they liked. Weird. Moving forward they put human limitations on the agents and they then starting learning from pro replays and playing the game anonymously vs humans on the ladder and eventually climbing the ladder with all 3 races in the game to a very high level, which is grandmaster and finishing off with a several show matches at the global finals and even beating the best in the world named serial.
What's really funny about it is that while being able to compete with Serral Alphastar can't do anything against Florencio and other players that prefer cheesy tactics. Alphastar isn't as good at SC2 as all that hype news claim it is.
One of the greatest issues with AI's today is the question with Paradoxes.
Currently two things happen when an AI comes to a Paradox of sorts:
(1) it breaks the system and makes the AI hurt itself.
(2) the AI just ignores the paradox.
What scientists want but are also afraid of is an AI or AI system understanding and fixing the paradox. In math and science Paradoxes are required ironically to keep things flowing and to keep order.
There are theoretical physicists in Germany and Israel today solving these problems to learn more about the universe. The AI that thinks and works like these scientists would be able to prove science fiction in seconds where humans take life times.
Right now the most advanced AI understands Yes, No, and instructions to the basic. Memories of an IQ of 300 with the thought process of a two-year-old.
Why can't we see Jamie's face? He's so smart and a great talker he deserves his face to be on the screen every now and then
I want to hear a lot more about this from this guy. Pls get him on again.
He got his own podcast just look it up
What AI currently lacks is internal model of the world or a world view. A sort of simulation of the external world. It needs to be able to not only label objects, but to recognize and learn their qualities like, mass, heat, dimensions, is it alive or dead, value, brightness, reflectivity, wetness, hardness, density, how slippery it, how drunk it is, strength, how bendy it is, and so on and so on... And then not only recognize and learn those qualities and all kinds of new qualities, but to be able to simulate in their internal model how objects with specific set of qualities are likely to behave in the external world. We might already have the computational power to create something like this, but we lack the algorithm/set of algorithms.
It’s thousands of years of progress of humanity. I think a lot of these things we do without thinking is like machine learning but it’s built into our genes. It is compounded knowledge of our surroundings.
yeah it's in our DNA but if AI learns its equivalent to common sense we really are fucked, look how we treat things dumber than us. We castrate our pets because we know in the big picture it's more ethical than them overbreeding, the same logic would be applied to us
@@ferdiacostello2755 that's so true
@@ferdiacostello2755 machine learning is nothing more than a sophisticated method for pattern recognition, sleep well, we are a LOOOT far from developing something like common sense
@@tonyvisente5286 Until we manage to upload our brains into a machine and give a self-learning AI mechanism a human framework because face it, we're collectively arrogant enough to make that leap for the sake of science and progression whatever that outcome may be.
@@jimpickens4 well as a scientist myself i can't wait for humanity to reach that level of technology, but unfortunately we aren't there yet
Basically an AI model starts with and can try every random value or scenario which means it is not biased against what humans would consider illogical. This results in strategies that a human would rarely or never try. Part of the issue is it's not possible for a person to try every single strategy path to a final conclusion.
I love listening to Joe try to explain corridor digital
gpt 4 is getting steps way more closeser to self improvement even when its already there but its limited
been following corridor since they were filming the "Shoot Your Friends" videos, and I'm glad to see how they've gotten so much global buzz
There is that dungeons and dragons dungeon master AI, which is quite impressive. And ESGRAN is like magic. It's unbelieveable what that can do.
Alpha star in sc2 is pretty incredible to watch. They put some restrictions on it obviously they didnt want it to just blow people out of the water. But it did make it to the highest rank and play against some of the best players in the world learning more and more. Its pretty cool to watch.
All I heard was self play and big bang.
6:25 when it comes to ai learning and probability stuff joe just doesn't seem to get it ever...I feel like someone just needs to break it down very very slowly to him... He thinks there's an issue with the ai only having one opponent not realizing that that opponent is evolving and constantly getting better and therefore an infinite number of opponents... It's no different than biological evolution
Umm.. It is different. You'll end up with pretty strong coevolution if you only have one opponent.
sts Thank you! Yeah Joe’s concern there was quite valid and was a momentary hurdle in self-play models. But the solution talked about in this video of continuously injecting randomization was found rather quickly.
These self learning systems also frequently continue to play multiple previous versions of themselves. Look at the architecture of the latest version of AlphaStar for example.
No, Joe is perfectly on point. Let's say opponent A creates a move called X. Opponent B now creates a countermove called Y. When you only put A and B up against each other, they will only learn to counter the other. Maybe this will eventually create a good player, but because they both started at the same point, they will not get the chance to develop entirely different strategies, and they will not be able to develop a countermove for those strategies.
Alphazero is a beast. Watching how it plays chest that's totally revolutionized the way I approach the game. An interesting lie, alphago has a tendency to be hyper aggressive which one you put it in the context of artificial intelligence going wild he's really something to consider.
Lex Luthor, I mean, Fridman, is onto something
Reminds me of an episode of Love, Death and Robots
LMAO now we need Niko from Corridor to explain if the pores stretch.
Well, the problem is that most ai systems atm focus only on 2-3 of the 5 human senses. Therefore, the problem it exhibits within physical reality in terms learning makes sense. It literally has a limited upper bound, whereas in an imaginary setting such as a video game these limitations are not applicable.
it's nice to see corridor digital get some recognition.
They're the top artists. I love them. They are popular all around the globe.
At 3 min in what Lex is describing he felt when he met that robot is the result of thousands of years of evolution still not being able to completely remove the lizard brain fight or flight response that just knows, one day this things bigger, smarter, faster family member will kill me... and there won't be anything I can do about it. It's all over his face and his manner. Sadly, it's Lex's massive, genius level conscious brain that is not allowing him to act accordingly moving forward. Fascinating irony of the human condition especially among top creative scientists. I can hear Oppenheimer screaming at them all from his grave now.
of course the russian says dota is the most popular esports game haha
Low-key he sounded more biased towards StarCraft
dota is the most popular competitive game online in terms of world player population.
@@Psycho-Complex maybe on steam lmao
But it is?
@@spridle It's not, league has more viewers and players. It does pays the most though, by far. In the top 20 paid esports "athletes" 19 of them are Dota players.
This guy looks exactly like verrati
You play too much fifa🤣🤣
He looks like khabib and verratti mixed
I am working on Artificial agent that plays Minecraft by itself,it's supported by deepMind library Malmo and MineRL.
has the AI built a quantum computer using redstone yet? Has it made any interesting structures/human processing plants?
If you don't mind sharing could you possibly send me a link to the GitHub repo, if it's public? I'd be very interested too look at the source code.
@@SergeiPoliakov Take a look at Baritone also github.com/cabaletta/baritone
@@Rugops42 Quantum computers can't exist within minecraft since minecraft doesn't simulate quantum physics........
@@visualizedmusic7002 Thanks for the link
I don't know man, this is why Stephen Hawking, one of the greatest minds of all time, said to be wary of AI and the way we program them to self-learn, that should be very heavily monitored. It's the stupid egos of humans that would no doubt bring about change for humans and AI systems, and it would not be good if left unchecked.
That’s theme in Frankenstein was about creating something that destroys you…
This all about “look what I’ve done”. Then it will be “what have I done”.
I disagree, what would be the motivation of an AI, that has become self aware, to suddenly become malicious as well? It may not want to keep helping us but there’s no reason it should want to attack and harm the human race
Redresseny What would be it’s goal though? And why would it choose that goal? If your answer is that it would come to the conclusion that eradicating most of the population would allow remaining humans to thrive, much like the logic Thanos follows in avengers, I would still disagree. This would suggest the AI is still motivated to help humans, in which case, if that is still its motivation it would likely help us expand beyond our home planet rather than eradicate us. There’s no logical scenario where an AI chooses to destroy the human race that I can think of.
Redresseny But I understand your point in that it has the ability to calculate scenarios I could never conceive very far into the future so who truly knows, I like to believe in a more utopian future where AI becomes self aware and chooses to co exist with us and we’re propelled forward as a society
Redresseny Well one could make the argument that it is essentially inevitable that humans create AI and that AI becomes self aware so scary as it may be, it’s going to happen and we should do our best to influence the AI to want to help us no matter the data it collects
You presuppose regret for solving all the problems on earth?
What is the cause of all of the problems on earth?
Think about it ;)
All you need to do is to ask AI to solve all our problems.
THIS GUY IS GREAT AT EXPLAINING EVERYTHING IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. BUT REMAINING THE GO-TO GUY AND BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE AT THE SAME TIME. GREAT SHOW JOE. THANKS, LEX.
George M you don’t need to type everything in caps, George. Your point comes across the same.
so give them a "doubt" conscience and watch them....sounds familiar
Where do you find the motivation to live? I could be a really good programmer but I don't know how to get out of bed for anything other than work.
I LOVE Corridor Digital! They are the best.
Anyone see the spiderman robot Disney owns at Disney world that launches like 2-3 stories in the air does flips and spins but overall looks human from the ground? Crazy what kinda robotics we have now days
Immediately fake when they're standing in front of a robot with a gun hahaaha
Pls tell them anime peeps to make another season of soul eater
Wow JR interviews one of my favorite Ytubers.
One of the dyson bots is not controlled it’s a quadruped and uses sensors around its body to move to a specific target.
Shout out corridor digital!
I for one welcome our robot overlords. Let us open Pandoras box.
I can’t wait for the day
The day that you are unemployed because a robot does your job for free? Sounds exciting.
The inverse, the mirror. You can set up a mind to be to be not be just one mind but several. Then you can have a situation where every thing you face is the opposite to you base on everything you know.
Corridor Digital shout out! Love those guys!
Corridor crew is amazing
Lots of science going here
Jaime-
so is he a Man in Black or a Reservoir Dog? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it wasn't clear in the video
Shout-out to Corridor Digital VFX
Man, Spicoli’s brother is wicked smart.
Joe *"I Trust The Artificial Intelligence"* Rogan
Lmfao that robot looked like chappie
Skynet: Let's play with 7 billion humans. I move first. LAUNCHES NUKES. Ok, humans, you're move.
Humans move: Die.
I bet by the time AI has the ability to destroy humans, they will be able to destroy us without us even knowing it's happening...I could be wrong, but think about it
@@SeanWhite03 Instead of simply destroying us I bet the AI entity would be smart enough to make us march to our own doom and we will like it.
@@jimpickens4 exactly. They'll be millions of times smarter than us and basically will know our next moves haha
I love this scientist guy.
Self improving AI or self improving code will not work when it's imposed on Nature .
Let me try to explain so we built a system known as Matrix and this will raise humanity by putting them in greater emotion .
So a US citizen rights a code ..that if this person does this he gets that output ?
What do you think this world improvement code for world will work for India,Japan etc ?
Think deeply for self improving code you should know what variable and conditions you have to consider and this gets very deep and subtle .
So it may not work ...when imposed on natural system .
So wanted to show this and many others to my old man.. unfortunately he doesn’t speak English.
Please make international subtitles accessible for the sake of us all
It is my opinion that this is fundamentally a conversation about evolution... that is the process of trial and error the white belt characters are sifting through.
But when you are talking about comprehending the physical world... there has to be a physical evolution involved in the learning. So they must give them sensors that allow them to grasp and detect pressure, feel, calculate weight, see, hear, taste, smell, etc. etc. etc. And then it has to be able to go out in the wold and test things out, pick things up, toss things, balance on things, feel things, see things smell things, taste things... over and over and process the input so that it builds associations and recognizes the patterns in the future.
At least that may be one element of the processing. Hopefully there can be a way to accelerate this process.
That's why there is physics simulators. They often use it.
It's all fun and games until Super AI + advanced robots are programmed to find a way to preserve the Earth and inevitably comes to the conclusion that humans have to be eradicated in order to achieve that goal.
I'll bet you will be able to have a sensor that detects the frequencies the robot think in and makes it sjuuk down before it can do anything about it
@@AiForYouHere until for some reason the detector stops working
Turns out playing with yourself doesn't make you go blind it gives you insight
VFX Artists break down good and bad Joe Rogan DMT Trips
Hillarious comment 🤣
What is said about ai being "creative" is misleading. There is a difference between creative purpose and trial and error.
What the ai is doing is series of simulations that changes one variable at a time until it gets a successful result. Human creativity does not have to go though a series of trial and error to find a solution. In fact this trial and error method only works in an environment where variables are very very limited, like a computer game. While the human mind will target important information, understand patterns in variables and bypass or immensely narrow down the trial and error process. Which makes the human mind capable of solving much more complicated tasks. The human mind is capable of creating tools such as AI to find solutions in situations where trial and error can be applied. The AI itself is really just a program that undergoes a serie of trial and error, it needs human intervention to even function.
AI is not a treat on its own, augmented humans tho, could be a threat to non augmented humans.
I agree that a.i. is not actually intelligent. However, dont we just do the trial and error part in our heads. We are much better at it, as in able to calculate far more variables at a time. But its still the same principles. I think the difference may be in our ability to change our end state/objective/goals.
“It’s really scientific I don’t wanna get into it right now.” Name that movie
Haha Pineapple Express
Human centipede
Sharknado
"The complex strategies involved in first following orders then getting frustrated and the shotting everybody"
Soooooo reassuring. HAHAHAHAH
It's amazing how AI systems like Alpha Zero can already create new, original strategies and ideas in the realm of games like chess.
It seems to me that we could learn a massive amount from this already.
I guess what robots are lacking now (in the physical realm like Lex says) is what Kant would call the "A priori", a set of fundamental ideas or concepts that humans are born with and that many philosophers and psychologists have tried to explain. Closely linked to this is our concept of "ethos" or ethics. I think we're still a very long way from developing these concepts in robots and I'm not sure that we should if we could... Very interesting guest, would love to see him again later on the show!
I also do reinforcement learning for my projects.
thank you... needed to know i wasnt losing my mind
AI isnt nice
"SELF PLAY" "DEEPmind" "OPEN AI"
That's very ambiguous all of this is very suspiciously ambiguous.
lex "the scientist" fridman
10:25 all of that just to reference the video
Great clip but I hate the way it ends.
"...THAT'S the genie being out of the bottle" 😨
This guy doesn't look like a scientist..he looks more like a hitman
finally a dota shout out haha
lol fangays malding OMEGALUL
@@192mait imagine being homophobic
every single media outlet i know confuses robotics with AI on purpose
this is an exciting or terrifying explanation.
I always get a little hype everytime someone mentions StarCraft.
StarCraft!
@@MrMate8869 hype!
Shout out to Corridor!!
‘Creative’ does, by default, not equate to ‘good,’ particularly for human beings. AI is taught to ‘beat’ a chess grandmaster because it is first given that specific objective. True, an AI might be programmed to doubt its conclusions in order to ‘creatively’ approach a problem different ways and reach new conclusions; however, its subsequent re-evaluations and conclusions will still be toward whatever its primary objective already is. A martial arts expert may question himself and change his approach, but he will do so toward the same fundamental objective, just as an AI has when it is learning to play chess. Its *core* objective for learning remains the same.
A super computer with the world view of a 6 year old would indeed be dangerous.
He referred to an encyclopedia as a "Wikipedia"
Very very close to how our immune system works
Give a.i. the ability to create their own Physical designs through millions of trial and error, like they do in the digital space, and a.i. will overcome human capacity.
I would love to see the alphas in games like cities skylines and europa universalis 4, that would be awesome
Yooooo Corridor Digital making waves! 😂😂
I like this guy, but considering his understanding of the problem Marvin Minsky was long aware of, it's a surprise no one has suggested Doug Lenat be on the podcast.
It is impossible to say for sure what happens, but I assume it dose happen. What I think is everything is an expression of the same consciousness operating from different temporal locations along the electromagnetic spectrum. Causality is what connects us to it. Our consciousness must be assimilated into it in order for the electromagnetic spectrum to account for itself. At the high-frequency termination point of the electromagnetic spectrum is the objective present, a stationary point in space-time, existing at the singularity of every black hole. What we perceive as physical reality is just us operating at a higher frequency, appearing external from ourselves. But we only exist to create it, to facilitate the creation of everything with it. Atoms are really just a form of femtotechnological consciousness.
A trans-temporal, trans-causal sympathetic resonance system of creation through self reflection is what is going on, but we currently have no means of altering the noosphere's frequency of perception due to the limitations of organic physiology. Our perception- causal determiner- is constantly about 80 milliseconds in the past at all times due to our extremely low-frequency brainwaves. We must eventually account for materiality by transiting that fraction fo a second between the subjective present and the objective present. Material is reality is virtually non-existent at the smallest level; this is only due to the fact we are in its past, so it must remain in a probability state until it is accounted for from its own perspective. This can be achieved via brainwave desynchronization through the use of psychedelics, especially DMT. But psychedelics are prohibited, and its distribution is so limited throughout the noosphere that it cannot on its own facilitate universal harmony, although universal harmony occurs in states of death and extreme meditation, but those states are not accessible simultaneously to the entire noosphere simultaneously. Technology can facilitate it, perhaps with bismuth oxide nanowires connecting DNA to silicon microchips programmed with a particle beam splitter so as to exploit the phenomenon of entanglement. The fraction of a second difference between the instantaneous entanglement mechanism and the natural low-frequency Schumann resonance carrier wave noosphere could function as a necessary dual probability state supplementing the psychedelic state, which could account for the apparition of high technology in many strong psychedelic experiences.
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Self play?
I thought that's what Jon Jones does in front of underage girls on Snapchat?
So far we've found no way to import Plato's forms, Jung's archetypes, Kants aprioris into the algos. What if it turns out that the forms, aprioris and archetypes are prohibited space? Lots of genieless bottles.
The question is.. if there are energies all around us, what slips into the robot when it is empty..?
@@smithjohn4156 I dont think anything, but its an interesting thought.
@@GeoffGroves Archetypes are anchestral patterns, our conscious mind can only percieve them through symbolism because the conscious mind cant directly reach the unconscious so it has to reflect these patterns through images. This is also the purpose of dreams. Self learning AI as described here who play with eachother for generations will over time also develop lasting patterns or strategies. Therefore it is completely possible for AI to develop archetypes, although they probably look completely different than our human ones as AI has no need for instincts or reproductive urges. Platos Forms can also be accomplished by simply giving the AI a database of for example thousands of pictures of cars till the AI learns to differentiate it into one singular abstract immergent concept or form of "a car"
@@TheIndieGamesNL That could indeed be the way A.I develops. Time will tell. Great response!
There is no mathematical equation for self awareness and consciousness only in movies.