I'm a 5 hdcp with an indoor simulator in my house and play virtual or real golf daily and play the Callaway DCB's. Great clubs with great feel and look fantastic in the bag. Can't really tell the difference between them and the Apex 21's. You can play the DCB's all the way down to low single digits just like the P790's and the Pings. Great review.. Get fit and go in with an open mind. I've tried out all my friends irons in the simulator and for me the DCB's were the best fit. Try them all and decide for yourself. I also tried the Mizuno's both last years and this years models and the DCB's were still the best.
I bought the ping g425’s, they’ve been fantastic, in terms of distance and more importantly hitting the ball straighter. I rarely miss really wide right or left, which gives you more confidence on the course.
Good to have you back Sophie love your reviews always exciting. After exhaustive testing during the last year went for T300 . My next best was Radspeed then DCB, then Sim max and G425 last. All good but T300 best feeling and longest for-me as a senior high handicapper (21.3)
Just got my G425s last week. 18 handicapper. Had a starter set for 3 years. The Pings are so forgiving, straight and sound fantastic. Sophie is right. The wedges are awesome. I got all 4. Very smooth and soft feel.
I’m new to golf but it’s amazing to see the ladies getting their share of the golfing pie, doesn’t seem to happen as much in some other sports that are seen as male dominated! It’s also amazing to see ladies commenting as UA-cam is usually a very male dominated platform as well! Brilliant video!
@@GolfalotTV It’s really really good to see, more of this needs to happen in other male dominated sports as well! Also women everywhere should have a voice not just in golf but the world will get there soon! I’ve only seen one of your videos on forgiving irons or irons for beginners but definitely going to subscribe and have a binge at some point! You seem like a too lass with a lot of knowledge!
I’m a “high handicap” golfer but not because of my iron play, I play the P790 in a dynamic golf 105 stiff, 7 iron carry 153/160ish total and find that you get the most help out of the longer irons. The PW and 9 iron aren’t too hot. Obviously a lot of money but when something works for my game, looks amazing in the bag and gives me enough forgiveness to enjoy this beautiful game. It’s well worth the every penny.
Great review !! I've had the 425s in my bag for a year now. I've never worried too much if my 7 iron goes as far as another brand's 7 iron. I know how far I hit mine, it is forgiving and I play it to that distance. I want the shot to go as I had it pictured in my mind and the Pings do that for me (most of the time anyway lol ).
I love distance, I had an instructor who told me accuracy outweighs distance every time, I went with the G425s for accuracy and the stopping power. I have a set of Mizuno's I really enjoy but they were just so fast and would never stick where I needed them to, always a 5-10 yard over run.
I returned to golf after a 5 year break 7 months ago and treated myself to a set of cobra radspeeds. I stopped at a 14hcp, came back as a 20hcp now back to 18hcp and hope to get back to 14 or lwr very soon. I was fitted for my radspeeds and cannot fault them for forgiveness and distance. But during my fitting I tried the p790 as in your review/reviews they just look right and inspire confidence without even hitting a ball. Long story short have purchased p790 now and could not be happier. Definitely agree they suit a wide range of golfers. Keep up the good work and reviews as this was one of the contributing factors in buying the p790's
Different golfers prioritise different things Sophie. Your conclusions were, as is your commentary on things generally, considered and illuminating. It's why you do what you do I suppose. Your voice settles the many differing opinions of You Tube. Thanks for your insights. PS subscribing to your channel is awesome.
I have a set of G 425s, P 790 21s and a set of P 770 19s. I must admit I agree with everything you say, you can play the g 425 right into a 8 hcp with no problems at all, it is the most forgiving and constant iron out there plus the U and W Wedge are like no other wedges of the other sets, they are insanely good with a lot of spin and greenpresence. You can do anything with them and nothing wrong, they are so easy to hit it’s hillarious. Only downside next to feel is the sound offcourse. I also play the P 790 21, simply because of the looks and they can also cater an even bigger hcprange then the g 425, I see so many teaching pros actually play these or the I 500s (I 525s) but saying that says one thing, if your teaching pro plays em, why don’t you as sub 8 hcp? I was at a meeting last month in Spain where we got to test all new products for this year an entire week, in the morning we were testing all clubs, in the afternoons we went out and played 18 holes and it says a lot when your entire Flight which consists of 2 teaching pros and 2 fitting experts all play the P 790 21s. It’s also just a gorgeous Iron which caters almost all aspects of what golfers want and need. The t 300 and the Apex dcb are also very very good irons, that dcb is such a nice mixture of everything. But to be honest if that g 425 would have a better look and sound, I’d play it every day and not just when my neck needs a bit of relief 😎. I really just like playing the p 790 more bec it looks so awesome. I also played the P 770s but with the 790 21s there is absolutely no need putting these back in my bag, on a good day they are awesome but if you have bad form they will kill your score due to lack of forgiveness and distance. They cater 5 and less, especially the lucky crowd that gets to play 5 days a week (yeah keep dreaming 😂) and even then you come back to what I said about the p 790 21s being played by a lot of teaching pros.
@@jeffyeah4256 I 525 are kinda hard and clicky, that comes to sound though. The apex dcb isn’t really a forged but it’s ok, the new 790s kinda feel like the softest of those 3 but because of the sound mainly
Nice summary, thanks. Mizuno 921HM and Srixon ZX4 deserve a look as well. I expect to end up with a new set of irons from this list in 2022 (but Stealth replacing SIM). Hoping P790s win as they do look gorgeous. 10.6hcp playing 2x/month after 10 years of x16s collecting dust.
Hi Eric, thanks for watching! We have written reviews of the ZX5 and ZX7 irons over on Golfalot. ZX5 - www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/srixon-zx5-irons-review-4935.aspx ZX7 - www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/srixon-zx7-irons-review-4941.aspx. Hope that helps!
His Sophie, great video and very informative. My current handicap is 6 (but probably more like an 8 if I'm honest) and use Mizuno T zoid MX15 forged irons, however, I'm looking at getting new irons and not sure which category to buy from. I know 3 people who play using the G425's and I really like the look of them, the only thing that puts me off going for this type of iron is the stigma attached to them that they're suited to 10 and above handicappers. What is it about 'game improvement clubs' that would prevent someone improving right down to scratch?
I looked at the Taylormade P790 and was thinking too much club for my game. I think they would require a good and consistent swing, which is something I lack. Good review of the game improvement clubs. I like OS, I don't like heavy offset and thick soles.
Ping made this category and they’re still the best at it. I had the G20s at 20ish handicap until I got down to 7 before I finally made a switch. They’re so consistent and I never had that fear of “fliers” with them for being a chunkier iron.
Been using Ping G20's ever since they came out. I'm now consistently shooting in the high 80's. At what point do you think it would benefit me to purchase a new set of irons?
I consistantly hit the pings 425 about 10yrd right. The offset causes this. t300 put all of them within 5 yard radius of each other through 10 strokes.
Starting with the p790’s would be very tough for new golfers unless they had HOURS and hours of training. Smallest sweet spot and the least forgiving of the group
So what about if you're getting on a bit like me who still plays 2 or 3 times a week? I was off 8 at one stage and have now drifted to 11 and currently playing TM M3s so some extra distance and forgiveness would be nice (7 iron 148yds). I'm not bothered about the price as I'll be keeping them for a few years. Should I look at the recoil graphite shafts too?
I've ordered a set, delivery in a few weeks. Playing off 25 now using a set of approx 30 year old ping zing 2's. I tried the G425 7 iron in the shop on trackman against my zing 2 7 iron. Such a difference. G425 ball dispersion much much tighter plus contact felt nicer.
The Wilson D9 irons were reviewed by colleague at Golfalot.com and seemed to perform great: www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/wilson-d9-irons-review-4883.aspx
I never understood the length hype with irons, all about being consistent for me. I actually shorten my irons half an inch and weaken the loft 2 degrees because these new irons go too far, meaning I have about 12 yards between irons instead of 15.
Those irons were released in 2020 that's why they weren't included. You can see my review on Golfalot here: www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/mizuno-jpx921-hot-metal--hot-metal-pro-irons-review--4684.aspx
If I was new to golf, high handicap player, senior player I would look to improve by using a hybrid-iron design club. According to TXG channel the Cleveland Launcher Halo are the easiest irons to hit. I have used the model two or so years older and thought," wow, these are great." At the very least I would look at this type of iron under 30 degrees and blend with cavity backs above 30 degrees loft. Why make golf harder than it need be?
Any old iron, any old iron. Please give me any old iron. Who needs stealth, it’s bad for my wealth, rad speed will do for me and you. Ohh any old iron any old iron, keep the old content flowing 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
agree in much, but who is playing 4-P in this category... 6 or even 7-G and a S is the new iron setup, then you put in 2 hybrid 1 or 2 fw and a driver thats it. Forget 4 and 5 iron, no one can hit them better than a 4-5 hybrid.
Sophie , I can't believe you didn't include Mizuno or PXG, especially with the price drop. Time for you to step up your game if you expect to be taken seriously.
@@GolfalotTV Please don't take offense to my comments. I think a simple disclaimer that you didn't have access to other manufacturers simply covers it. This way the viewer can't assume that you are have eliminated certain brands in your evaluation.
New generation of snowflakes have all the tech to make them look good but still cant boil an egg... Start with blades and learn to hit the ball in the sweet spot...😉
Really miss Martin Hopely's commentary. Why? Because he was not a professional with the attitudes that comes with. Sorry Sophie but I just can't relate to your valuations. They're just a bit too "high brow" for me. Sorry.
I'm a 5 hdcp with an indoor simulator in my house and play virtual or real golf daily and play the Callaway DCB's. Great clubs with great feel and look fantastic in the bag. Can't really tell the difference between them and the Apex 21's. You can play the DCB's all the way down to low single digits just like the P790's and the Pings. Great review.. Get fit and go in with an open mind. I've tried out all my friends irons in the simulator and for me the DCB's were the best fit. Try them all and decide for yourself. I also tried the Mizuno's both last years and this years models and the DCB's were still the best.
I bought the ping g425’s, they’ve been fantastic, in terms of distance and more importantly hitting the ball straighter. I rarely miss really wide right or left, which gives you more confidence on the course.
I have been waiting for a video like this. Thanks Sophie 😊
Hope you enjoyed it Ben!
Good to have you back Sophie love your reviews always exciting. After exhaustive testing during the last year went for T300 . My next best was Radspeed then DCB, then Sim max and G425 last. All good but T300 best feeling and longest for-me as a senior high handicapper (21.3)
Great stuff Seve, thanks for sharing your clubs with us at Golfalot.
Just got my G425s last week. 18 handicapper. Had a starter set for 3 years. The Pings are so forgiving, straight and sound fantastic. Sophie is right. The wedges are awesome. I got all 4. Very smooth and soft feel.
Great stuff Ron, glad to hear that you're enjoying your G425 irons - great clubs!
I’m new to golf but it’s amazing to see the ladies getting their share of the golfing pie, doesn’t seem to happen as much in some other sports that are seen as male dominated! It’s also amazing to see ladies commenting as UA-cam is usually a very male dominated platform as well!
Brilliant video!
Thanks for the amazing feedback - yes I agree, women in golf should have a voice too!
@@GolfalotTV It’s really really good to see, more of this needs to happen in other male dominated sports as well! Also women everywhere should have a voice not just in golf but the world will get there soon!
I’ve only seen one of your videos on forgiving irons or irons for beginners but definitely going to subscribe and have a binge at some point! You seem like a too lass with a lot of knowledge!
Welcome back Sophie ! ☀️so many reviewers loved Sim2
Hey Sophie, how would JPX921 HM compare to Apex DCB and SIM2max?
Great review Sophie. As an older golfer I might have a look at those Callaway FCB
I’m a “high handicap” golfer but not because of my iron play, I play the P790 in a dynamic golf 105 stiff, 7 iron carry 153/160ish total and find that you get the most help out of the longer irons. The PW and 9 iron aren’t too hot. Obviously a lot of money but when something works for my game, looks amazing in the bag and gives me enough forgiveness to enjoy this beautiful game. It’s well worth the every penny.
Agreed - if it brings you more pleasure and enjoyment to playing golf, money is no object!
Tight dispersion is essential for max scoring so don't hesitate on the Pings if they work for you but they are not as long.
Is the Taylormade P790 really a game improvement iron? Surely it's more of a 'player's distance'.
Great review !! I've had the 425s in my bag for a year now. I've never worried too much if my 7 iron goes as far as another brand's 7 iron. I know how far I hit mine, it is forgiving and I play it to that distance. I want the shot to go as I had it pictured in my mind and the Pings do that for me (most of the time anyway lol ).
I love distance, I had an instructor who told me accuracy outweighs distance every time, I went with the G425s for accuracy and the stopping power. I have a set of Mizuno's I really enjoy but they were just so fast and would never stick where I needed them to, always a 5-10 yard over run.
I returned to golf after a 5 year break 7 months ago and treated myself to a set of cobra radspeeds. I stopped at a 14hcp, came back as a 20hcp now back to 18hcp and hope to get back to 14 or lwr very soon. I was fitted for my radspeeds and cannot fault them for forgiveness and distance. But during my fitting I tried the p790 as in your review/reviews they just look right and inspire confidence without even hitting a ball. Long story short have purchased p790 now and could not be happier. Definitely agree they suit a wide range of golfers. Keep up the good work and reviews as this was one of the contributing factors in buying the p790's
Different golfers prioritise different things Sophie. Your conclusions were, as is your commentary on things generally, considered and illuminating. It's why you do what you do I suppose. Your voice settles the many differing opinions of You Tube. Thanks for your insights. PS subscribing to your channel is awesome.
Thanks so much for the amazing feedback! Thanks for subscribing and I hope you enjoy the content we have coming up for the rest of the year!
I'd love to see you review the new Callaway Rogue and compare them to the Apex21 DCB and Apex21 line.
Coming to the channel soon Randy - keep an eye out!
I have a set of G 425s, P 790 21s and a set of P 770 19s. I must admit I agree with everything you say, you can play the g 425 right into a 8 hcp with no problems at all, it is the most forgiving and constant iron out there plus the U and W Wedge are like no other wedges of the other sets, they are insanely good with a lot of spin and greenpresence. You can do anything with them and nothing wrong, they are so easy to hit it’s hillarious. Only downside next to feel is the sound offcourse.
I also play the P 790 21, simply because of the looks and they can also cater an even bigger hcprange then the g 425, I see so many teaching pros actually play these or the I 500s (I 525s) but saying that says one thing, if your teaching pro plays em, why don’t you as sub 8 hcp? I was at a meeting last month in Spain where we got to test all new products for this year an entire week, in the morning we were testing all clubs, in the afternoons we went out and played 18 holes and it says a lot when your entire Flight which consists of 2 teaching pros and 2 fitting experts all play the P 790 21s. It’s also just a gorgeous Iron which caters almost all aspects of what golfers want and need.
The t 300 and the Apex dcb are also very very good irons, that dcb is such a nice mixture of everything. But to be honest if that g 425 would have a better look and sound, I’d play it every day and not just when my neck needs a bit of relief 😎. I really just like playing the p 790 more bec it looks so awesome.
I also played the P 770s but with the 790 21s there is absolutely no need putting these back in my bag, on a good day they are awesome but if you have bad form they will kill your score due to lack of forgiveness and distance. They cater 5 and less, especially the lucky crowd that gets to play 5 days a week (yeah keep dreaming 😂) and even then you come back to what I said about the p 790 21s being played by a lot of teaching pros.
Which is more forgiving between p790 vs. ping i525? I'm looking at those sets and apex dgb. Which would u choose among those 3 ?
@@jeffyeah4256 btw those 3 I’d choose the apex dcb if you are looking for more forgivenes.
@@jasonreitbauer great, which set did you like feel wise? They all say forged but I heard ,, not really....
@@jeffyeah4256 I 525 are kinda hard and clicky, that comes to sound though. The apex dcb isn’t really a forged but it’s ok, the new 790s kinda feel like the softest of those 3 but because of the sound mainly
Glad to see we agree Jason, thanks for getting in touch!
Nice summary, thanks. Mizuno 921HM and Srixon ZX4 deserve a look as well. I expect to end up with a new set of irons from this list in 2022 (but Stealth replacing SIM). Hoping P790s win as they do look gorgeous. 10.6hcp playing 2x/month after 10 years of x16s collecting dust.
Thanks Lindsay - hope the video helps with your decisions!
I really like everything about my Ping G425. 6-U and use Cleveland hybrids 2,3,4,5, for my longs! Thanks
What clevekand hybrids? Halo or Hb turbo?
Excellent review as always. How about a review of the Srixon ZX5 / ZX7 irons at some point? Less mainstream, good build quality, better value?
Hi Eric, thanks for watching! We have written reviews of the ZX5 and ZX7 irons over on Golfalot.
ZX5 - www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/srixon-zx5-irons-review-4935.aspx
ZX7 - www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/srixon-zx7-irons-review-4941.aspx.
Hope that helps!
No Mizuno Jpx921 Tour or Forged?
The T300s have been game changers for me.
His Sophie, great video and very informative. My current handicap is 6 (but probably more like an 8 if I'm honest) and use Mizuno T zoid MX15 forged irons, however, I'm looking at getting new irons and not sure which category to buy from. I know 3 people who play using the G425's and I really like the look of them, the only thing that puts me off going for this type of iron is the stigma attached to them that they're suited to 10 and above handicappers. What is it about 'game improvement clubs' that would prevent someone improving right down to scratch?
I looked at the Taylormade P790 and was thinking too much club for my game. I think they would require a good and consistent swing, which is something I lack. Good review of the game improvement clubs. I like OS, I don't like heavy offset and thick soles.
Thanks Tom - I hope you find what you're looking for.
Ping made this category and they’re still the best at it. I had the G20s at 20ish handicap until I got down to 7 before I finally made a switch. They’re so consistent and I never had that fear of “fliers” with them for being a chunkier iron.
Been using Ping G20's ever since they came out. I'm now consistently shooting in the high 80's. At what point do you think it would benefit me to purchase a new set of irons?
Why was rogue pro not included?
I consistantly hit the pings 425 about 10yrd right. The offset causes this. t300 put all of them within 5 yard radius of each other through 10 strokes.
You reviewed the Sim2 Max up until your verdict???
Will there be a 2022 version of Callaway's Apex DCB?
Callaway Apex irons are normally released every two years. I have the 19 apex and didn't see a big enough improvement in the 21s to change
Starting with the p790’s would be very tough for new golfers unless they had HOURS and hours of training. Smallest sweet spot and the least forgiving of the group
Love Sophie s reveiw, excellent 👍😍
So what about if you're getting on a bit like me who still plays 2 or 3 times a week? I was off 8 at one stage and have now drifted to 11 and currently playing TM M3s so some extra distance and forgiveness would be nice (7 iron 148yds). I'm not bothered about the price as I'll be keeping them for a few years. Should I look at the recoil graphite shafts too?
The TaylorMade SIM2 Max or Cobra Radspeed irons could work for you if you're losing speed and looking extra distance
Love that the bottles of wine have been put so high up… does someone like a tipple 🤣🤣🤣
I’ve improved my handicap from 22 down to 8 in 12 months with……..Ping G425….☺️
I went 16 to 12. The irons are unbelievable. My problem is , I could argue, they are too long. 165 9 iron. Oh well, first world problems
I've ordered a set, delivery in a few weeks. Playing off 25 now using a set of approx 30 year old ping zing 2's. I tried the G425 7 iron in the shop on trackman against my zing 2 7 iron. Such a difference. G425 ball dispersion much much tighter plus contact felt nicer.
This is unbelievable Keith - well done!
I’ve gone from 18 handicap to5.5 handicap in less than 12 months using Wilson d9 irons.
The Wilson D9 irons were reviewed by colleague at Golfalot.com and seemed to perform great: www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/wilson-d9-irons-review-4883.aspx
No mizuno? Jpx? 225?
You’re uploading all the videos I want to see.
That's the plan!
Went with the 410s. Felt no different than the 425 and looked cooler.
Not a Mizuno in sight ?
I never understood the length hype with irons, all about being consistent for me. I actually shorten my irons half an inch and weaken the loft 2 degrees because these new irons go too far, meaning I have about 12 yards between irons instead of 15.
Wouldn't thes best game improvement option be to get lessons and put in work at the range?
If the game improvement irons have helped you to improve keep it dont upgrade !
Can not believe she missed the Mizuno Hot Metal JPX 921 irons. Just got a set and hitting them 20 to 25 yards further than my g25’s.
Those irons were released in 2020 that's why they weren't included. You can see my review on Golfalot here: www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/mizuno-jpx921-hot-metal--hot-metal-pro-irons-review--4684.aspx
The feel of the g425 is like hitting a rock.
Yes they do! Freaking sucks
If I was new to golf, high handicap player, senior player I would look to improve by using a hybrid-iron design club. According to TXG channel the Cleveland Launcher Halo are the easiest irons to hit. I have used the model two or so years older and thought," wow, these are great." At the very least I would look at this type of iron under 30 degrees and blend with cavity backs above 30 degrees loft. Why make golf harder than it need be?
Thanks for your feedback Kym - Sophie will be reviewing some super-game improvement clubs this year.
Great video
Any old iron, any old iron. Please give me any old iron. Who needs stealth, it’s bad for my wealth, rad speed will do for me and you. Ohh any old iron any old iron, keep the old content flowing 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Why the cheapest club isn't best vfm is beyond belief. Not like its a bad club disagree with the choices. But each to their own
agree in much, but who is playing 4-P in this category... 6 or even 7-G and a S is the new iron setup, then you put in 2 hybrid 1 or 2 fw and a driver thats it. Forget 4 and 5 iron, no one can hit them better than a 4-5 hybrid.
And Mizuno is????
Darn, the g710 s never made the list
2021 or 2022????
Sophie , I can't believe you didn't include Mizuno or PXG, especially with the price drop. Time for you to step up your game if you expect to be taken seriously.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@GolfalotTV Please don't take offense to my comments. I think a simple disclaimer that you didn't have access to other manufacturers simply covers it. This way the viewer can't assume that you are have eliminated certain brands in your evaluation.
@@jbh199 I'm sure she doesn't give 2 shits about your comment.
Hate my pxgs
Biggest waste of money ever
Got refitted for callaway rogues
Wayyyy better
@@WeimaranersAreTheBest which ones you get?
New generation of snowflakes have all the tech to make them look good but still cant boil an egg...
Start with blades and learn to hit the ball in the sweet spot...😉
A “best of” iron comparison with 2 TaylorMade models and no Mizunos in the lineup is a a flawed video from the start…
Really miss Martin Hopely's commentary. Why? Because he was not a professional with the attitudes that comes with. Sorry Sophie but I just can't relate to your valuations. They're just a bit too "high brow" for me. Sorry.