Eratosthenes of Cyrene (276 BC - c. 195/194 BC) calculated the circumference of earth to within 4% of its actual value and describes in detail how he did it. EDIT: Eratosthenes used simple maths and empirical observations to arrive at a reasonably accurate measurement of the earths circumference. People knew the earth was a sphere in antiquity without reference or knowledge of the Bible.
@Sal Santiago god damn you people need to get far better at stereotyping the people you hate.... It's almost like you have no idea who we are or something LoL
Casey: It says 'the circle of the earth' - that means it's a sphere. Flat Earthers: It says 'the circle of the earth' - that proves it's a flat disc. Me: It also says 'the four corners of the earth', are y'all just gonna ignore that part?
@@blacky_Ninja kinda reminds me of MS paint. You can make a perfect circle with a tool. Zoom in really far and the pixels are exposed. All these squares make a circle
the classical "the bible doesn't mean what it actually says, it needs to be interpreted so that it agrees with me, and then the bible is true, which means that god is real".
You don't understand the bible. If it agrees with me it's inerrant. If it doesn't agree with me it's not being interpreted in the right way. If it sounds like complete BS it's allegorical.
Yup, the Bible which states that the earth has 4 corners and is supported by pillars, the main reason we have a moronic flat earth movement, was the first to say the earth is a sphere. Dude is going for the gold in mental gymnastics
@@timothybrown5999 The continents are pillars, God makes His really wide, but it is in fact a single pillar humans have never built anything so big. The 4 corners phrasing could mean a lot but its obvious that it most likely means "entire area"
@@jacobostapowicz8188 nice apologetics, but then why not just say that? Why say 4 corners if there are not 4 corners? Why call refer to the land as pillars? They had words to describe the land. It’s almost like the writers made all this crap up and followers have to change the words around to fit whatever meaning works best.
Imagine thinking studying 1 old book is an actual serious profession that should be taken seriously in any context. If so wheres the respect for our Marvel scholars? Atleast they get to study new material.
It was difficult to listen to this with Casey jumping in all the time. When I was just out of high school, I was helping a friend and her family on their farm. Her aunt was there, and barely said anything all day. One of the other women working had been talking nonstop for hours, and managed to pause long enough to ask her why she didn't say anything. I will never forget her reply: "Some people talk because they have something to say; others talk because they have to say something." Situations like this call always remind me of that.
That is not being "passive-aggressive", it is called being assertive without being a jackass. I think I know what you meant, though, I admire his ability to gently shut people down. Personally, I would not be as gracious and do not have the epic patience that JMike frequently exhibits.
I think he comes off as so pompous and rude. At least Matt tells people to wait and that he's not done talking. Not little quips like "real fast" "hold on" etc etc. Comes off very condescendingly regardless of what he's saying being true. I'm glad Katie is much more polite.
@@WooliteMammoth that's very strange considering the number of people that think JMike is very polite and straightforward without being insulting. Different perceptions of the concept of polite/rude are based in different cultural sub-groups.
Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor." This verse clearly demonstrates that the author thought that the Earth is flat, and had no clue just how many kingdoms of the world existed at that time.
Its always weird to me, the atheist will often be open to being wrong and being proven wrong, but the theist will NEVER be open to being wrong or being proven wrong..... Which for the theist falls under the sin of pride
Instead he flew into the air, got his arm caught in the net, the ball went backwards, the back board broke in his face, he fell to the ground and face planted before giving a thumbs up and saying "nailed it!"
@@joyfulzero853this is exactly what they mean. I still hear kids talk about covid and the vaccine like all right wing conspiracies about it havent already been exposed as false. Iiterally two days ago, i was playing online games and some children started casually talking about how the vaccine was killing everyone and they are sure glad they never got it. When i pushed back i realized they still believe everyone other than the dumbest right wingers are all in on a conspiracy.
The Bible at no point describes the Earth as a sphere. In fact it does say that the entirety of the Earth can be seen from a mountaintop, which is consistent with a circular flat plane, but impossible on a sphere. But then it also says that a man can live for three days inside a fish and then walk out unharmed so whatever it says is about as worthwhile as thew little bits of so-called wisdom that cocomes out of fortune cookies.
I love how they end up just losing it and start yelling. This didn't go according to Casey's script and he got laughed at. How embarrassing that must be.
The bible says the earth is a flat circle and sits on pillars according to Job and Isaiah, and it and the stars sit under a dome that separates us from heaven's waters according to Genesis. People want to claim and reinterpret it as metaphor, which is fine, but you can't then turn around and say the Bible had science right all along. It then just turns into a game of picking and choosing what's "metaphor" and what's "literal revealed science".
I get Casey’s frustration. Considering he’s accepted something on faith without evidence of course he is going to be upset when someone doesn’t agree with his logic. The circle he’s stuck in is vicious and honestly it’s something I’ll never stop having compassion for because I really hope people like him will eventually see the error in their reasoning and grow.
My wife insists that cheap icecream where she grew up tasted "pink" rather than strawberry. I cannot imagine what that means and wasn't willing to find out when I had the chance.
There was no Hebrew word for sphere. God was sitting on top of a circle ... which is ROUND. No where does the bible say the Earth is flat. And the Bible's main purpose to to share Yeshua(salvation) to all people of the world ... not to give a science or grammar & vocabulary lessen.
@@abelincoln8885 believers claim the Bible has supernatural knowledge until proven wrong, only then is it not that kind of book. I believe there's a Hebrew word 'dhur', to make a ball out of something.
@@abelincoln8885 Your claims are irrelevant even if they were not lies, though. A tri-omni God could GIVE them "a word" for a spherical earth. However you say specifically that the bible is not scientifically accurate, even if you lied, "because there is no word that is different for the sphere or circle". If there isn't a word for it, then it can't be in the bible. Can it.
Wow what an embarrassing call 😂😂 "I think a biblical scholar is gonna be smarter than any biologist " Good job buddy. Please call back, needed a good laugh
So, when confirmation bias fails miserably this clown shifts gears straight into a dishonest appeal to authority, and when he gets called on THAT bullshit, just starts slinging insults. This is about the maturity level I expected when I clicked on this video clip.
Einstein got so much correct with mathematics that being smart is known as being an Einstein. Feynman was brilliant, too. And the list goes on. Religious theologians in the modern era, not so much.
Evidence? LOL! pi?3 the sky is a crystal? the stars can fall to the ground? the world is flat hahahahah. I pity him, he has been indoctrinated from birth and is a perfect example of no education, thinking he cannot be wrong.
This book knew something before other people did so I'm going to believe every other part of the book too, including the parts that no one can confirm our true. All because someone got something right 🙄🙄🙄
It didn't even know something before anyone else did... Because 1. Isaiah is talking about a flat circle earth 2. At least some humans knew the earth was a sphere way the hell before erastothenes! Potentially WAY BEFORE AND This is the really fun part! Christians and the church were still killing motherfuckers for "heresies" like believing in a round earth and heliocentrism until when again exactly? Christianity has been a fucking blight on humanity from before Jesus supposedly left for cigarettes and never came home again
I can sum up his argument "I believe the Bible knows more than science because you know, you know, the Bible is right, you know, er you know, er, erm, you know the Bible is better than science" That saves you watching it.
The Bible constantly eludes to the earth being flat and never says anything that makes the reader think that the writers thought the earth was round. The Bible says that the earth is a circle once, but circles are flat. They could've used a word meaning ball or sphere, but they chose to say circle.
Before you can make a meaningful point I think you would have to read the parts of the bible I'm the original written language. Then you have to evaluate the chosen translations of the pertinent parts.
@@rocketrabble6737 as far as the shape of the earth, the bible is clear that it is flat, no argument about language can change that. Daniel 4:11 has a tree so tall that it's visible to the ends of the earth. This is only possible if the earth is flat. In what language would it make sense on a sphere?
@HoangNguyen-rd6qy Who believes that it is possible to have a tree that tall in the first place? It's pure hokum, as is the 'suggestion' of a flat earth
Just about everyone didn't care what shape the earth was if they were not long distance ocean navigators, but those people knew that the earth wasn't flat. However most people worked the land, and it doesn't matter how flat or spherical the earth is, as long as you could grow dinner on it.
This is what should have been the basis of the rebuttal. Casey stupidly said that the science believed the earth was flat. Really? What evidence did he have of that? Empedocles and Anaxagoras both promoted a spherical earth in the 5th century BC. It is actually well established that long before the Bible was written the idea of a spherical earth was well known in academia. It’s hard to call those scholars “scientists “ but they were the equivalent at the time. By the time the Old Testament was written a spherical earth was well accepted by academia as well as navigators, and written arguments for such are still preserved. Casey has this weird idea that everyone believed the earth was flat which is demonstrably false. And that ends the discussion right there. If the idea of a spherical earth was being bandied about for centuries before the Bible was written then his initial premise is false and his point is moot.
As a person who reads biblical languages, where does the bible say that the earth is round? The Isaiah passage he mentioned is describing the Rakiah or sky dome not the earth itself.
There was no established "science" in ancient times. There were some very smart, highly intelligent individuals, who concerned themselves with the nature of the world, but there was not a scientific community and general method as such. Modern science emerged with Copernicus in the 16th century. The bible is not talking about the earth as a sphere. And even if it did, which it did not, these authors might have heard some early theories by some wise Greek, or Egyptian.
@@dharmadefender3932 Not in the least. Whether it HAPPENED is debatable, but the ability to do "the scientific method" even before it was formalised, or before there were other scientists is NOT debatable.
The earliest documented mention of the concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it appears in the writings of Greek philosophers. In the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established the roughly spherical shape of Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth’s circumference. Sorry Casey, you’re wrong
To paraphrase, “If you deliberately misread the Bible and willfully ignore science *and* history, then I’m right!” Oy. 🤦🏼♂️ And, “What’s your opinion on Einstein’s theory of relativity?” I dunno. Mostly accurate? Will likely be refined as we, eventually, learn more? (But that’s all *way* above my paygrade, LOL.) But you might as well ask *him* about *his* opinion on Newton’s law of universal gravitation… 🤷🏼♂️ …but you gotta love it when these callers just start getting hysterical when the hosts don’t obligingly follow the callers’ scripts.
You know where the caller was going right? He wanted you to say Einstein was correct on that and then point to Einstein being theist. Unfortunately for him, Einstein wasn't a theist.
my opinion on general relativity is that it's a model that describes a bunch of stuff, and so far it's generally held up to scrutiny, so i'm generally comfortable with accepting that it's accurate
@@teuast and they are literally trying very hard to "break" it. By observing stars around black holes and stuff. So far it's held up every time so no reason to find another explanation or refine it
Casey should have done his homework before calling. It is known the Earth is a sphere since 5th Centrury BC thanks to Hellenistic Astronomy. Furthermore, the Bible actually states that the Earth is flat, and Biblical literalists, as well as evangelical reprobates, will give you a ton of verses to back that up. The flat tortilla with a dome model comes from Mesopotamian Mythology, so no small wonder it is indeed stated as such in the Bible. I find it remarkable that other models are completely ignored by Christian apologists because those do not conform to the doctrines of their religion; we have, for instance, the Ziggurat model of the Earth, mentioned in the Avesta (the religious book of Zoroastrianism), which originated in ancient Persia. So no Casey, the Bible is not a book on Science AT ALL!
What a lot of people just can't understand is something can be a circle and flat both at the same time. Just look at a dinner plate it is a flat circle. Saying an object is a circle doesn't mean it has to be a sphere. The flat earthers model of the earth is a flat circle turned up at the outside edges by a hundred-foot ice wall.
These callers are always so painfully unprepared and blind in their faith, it feels like argumenting a child. I don't understand how you guys can do this, but good work, really appreciate the hard work.
Yeah, missed opportunity here especially when it became clear he thought relativity supports biblical creation. As happens so often, he's been told something by fundies at his church or Answers in Genesis and is running with it despite not having the background to understand the claim he's making. The classic example is the claim that evolution is disproved by the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Early Phoenicians encircled Africa so before Isiah the Egyptians knew the Earth was round like a ball. Mind you, the bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere, and Isiah says that God is real and exists in the sky, and we've been in the sky, and above the sky, and there was no God.
I'm confused. What do the Phoenicians have to do with Egypt. And why do you think the ability to sail around Africa demonstrates that the Earth is a sphere?
@@puckerings I fail to see why your confusion is my problem. Egypt. You may have heard of it. In North Africa. Big ports in Egypt. Phoneticians aren't Egyptians, so have to sail a boat or walk or ride something that walks to get to Egypt. Not sure why that confuses you.
There was no Hebrew word for sphere. God did not literally sit ON the Earth which is a circle, This simply confirmed the Earth was a sphere. But again, the Bible is about God's love for his creation ... not a science manual'
0:55 - "You have to do your own study." As if the average reader is capable of researching collections of ancient documents, written in any of several dead languages. Or maybe he meant that you just need to watch the right UA-cam videos that agree with his views.
0:13 Caller: "I think that science hasn't caught up to the Bible yet..." Me: Oh, yes. I loved that chapter in the Bible where it tells you how to build a combustion engine. 😒
The caller's right when he says, "It's very simple what [the Bible] says [about the shape of the earth]." It clearly says in Genesis that the waters were pushed up to make the firmament. The waters above the firmament were divided from the waters below the firmament, and inside that firmament, under the waters above the sky, the sun, moon, and stars were placed. That's why the sky is blue, obviously. For the water dome to fit properly, the earth would need to be a circle, as you can tell it is when you look around from a mountain or tall hill. So yes, "It's very simple what it says."
“You have to do your own study.” And then you have to agree with the way I interpret it.😜 When religious apologists realize they’re failing, they often try to change the subject. “What is your opinion on Einstein’s theory of relativity?”😂
Ah! The Wholly Babble...so scientific that it starts right off by having day and night created on the very first 'day' but the sun doesn't appear until the fourth one. How does that work exactly?
Einstein did not believe in a personal god but said if he were to believe in one it would be the pantheist God of Spinoza. He said "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
The problem with this call is that the caller mistakes what they WANT to believe for fact. For example - when was the book of Isaiah written. Scholars agree, the current form of Isaiah cannot be dated earlier than 530BCE, because at least parts of it are written after the Babylonian captivity. And the earliest PHYSICAL supporting evidence is at least 200 years after that. The Isaiah text COULD be as late as about 100 BCE. But the caller BELIEVES that Isaiah was written in about 700 BCE for the same reason they believe a circle means a sphere - because they want to.
I would like Casey to start out by outlining differential manifolds equipped with metric tensors that are everywhere nondegenerate with relaxed positive definiteness requirements so they are pseudo-Riemannian, and then to outline Lorentzian manifolds as a special case, before allowing him to chatter at all about "Relativity". I'm also assuming he means General Relativity here rather than Special Relativity, which is a special case when gravity (or more correctly, space-time curvature) is negligible; we should have him also outline at least the basic two postulates of Special Relativity and formulate up the basic theory as well. Having done so, he would still not be permitted to talk down at us about "Relativity". Having done so, he wouldn't try talk down at us anyway because he would have demonstrated no more and no less than having listened in just the first lectures of an undergrad level introduction, and would therefore also know it.
Job 38:14 The Earth takes shape as "clay under a seal." Which means a flat disk of clay. So which is it, caller? Does the Bible think the Earth is a sphere or a disk? Given that you source in Isaiah says circle and does not specify a sphere, given the other passage it seems pretty clear what the most reasonable conclusion is.
The Einstein quote about "God doesn't play dice with the universe" was Einstein rejecting quantum theory. He didn't like the probabilistic nature of the theory. In this case he was wrong.
I'm pretty sure that there are several instances where the bible refers to the earth being flat ( or circular , which is flat ) . I've read verses where it says that the earth has 4 corners ( which makes it a square) and it sits on pillars and has a dome covering it , the dome has holes in it which allow the rain to get in.
Greek scientists recognized that Earth was round (spherical) by at least 2,700 years ago, because the idea of a round Earth was being taught before about 500 B.C. by the famous Greek mathematician Pythagoras. And even ancient man thought the earth was a circular flat plane because of the sun and the moon both appearing as circles.
Casey gets confirmation from his religious friends that they are on to profound facts and gets the confidence to call in thinking he's mic dropping all over the place
The caller starts out with one of the greatest myths of recent times, the notion that people thought that the Earth was flat to begin with. For the most part, they didn't. The fallacy that ancient people thought so came about only after 1828. In that year, the American author, Washington Irving, published a book, 'The History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus'. In that book, he mentioned that when Columbus reached the Americas, 'he knew for certain that the world was round'. Irving's intention was that prior to then, people had generally held the BELIEF that it was round, but now Columbus KNEW it, and "for certain". He had personally experienced a place beyond the visible horizon. However, some members of the public, on reading this portion of the book, made the incorrect assumption that Irving's comment that Columbus knew that the world was round implied not that now they "knew" what previously they only "believed", but rather that now they "knew" something, when previously they must have believed something entirely the opposite. And that it simply not so. (If I believed that my neighbour is deaf, but today, having just met him in person, I say to my partner that now I 'know for certain' that my neighbour is deaf, my partner would be wrong to assume that this statement means that previously I had thought that my neighbour was capable of hearing.) Indeed, when Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth in 240 BCE, he can have measured a "circumference" only of something round. (You can measure the circumference of something that is some other shape, but not using the maths that he was using - that sort of trigonometry is solely for circular things.)
When the church had absolute control over all education, the most advanced technology was a watermill, and the average human was an illetirate peasent that lived and died within twenty miles of their place of birth this sort of ignorance was understandable. In today's world, with instantaneous access to any and all information it's wilfully chosen... This is obscene.
Everytime a theist uses a holy book to explain something my eyes gave over. If they persist on supporting their claims using their book my eyes start to cross and brain fog sets in followed by an almost irresistible desire to bang my head against the wall accompanied by violent thoughts. Why is this?
The answer on the guys question should have been. Einsteins General theory of relativity seems to be in alignment with experimental results if you keep out of quantum mechanics etc. It seems to be the basis of many models that can be used to accurately describe many things seen in the physical world. It is however not a perfect model since it doesn’t include quantum effects
Eratosthenes of Cyrene (276 BC - c. 195/194 BC) calculated the circumference of earth to within 4% of its actual value and describes in detail how he did it. EDIT: Eratosthenes used simple maths and empirical observations to arrive at a reasonably accurate measurement of the earths circumference. People knew the earth was a sphere in antiquity without reference or knowledge of the Bible.
@Sal Santiago stop eating paint chips.
@Sal Santiago dude what ever it is that your are smoking i suggest you quit immediately WOW
@Sal Santiago god damn you people need to get far better at stereotyping the people you hate....
It's almost like you have no idea who we are or something LoL
This. Thank you.
Isaiah 40:22 written in 700 BC ... and is not a science manual. There wasn't a Hebrew word for sphere with is which it has God on to of a circle.
Casey: It says 'the circle of the earth' - that means it's a sphere.
Flat Earthers: It says 'the circle of the earth' - that proves it's a flat disc.
Me: It also says 'the four corners of the earth', are y'all just gonna ignore that part?
Duuuude, a circle is just made of infinite corners. Of course the bible knew that. 😜
A circle has an infinite amount of corners? Hahahaha why not loll
Flerfs sure don't, they got a square earth map.
@@blacky_Ninja kinda reminds me of MS paint.
You can make a perfect circle with a tool. Zoom in really far and the pixels are exposed.
All these squares make a circle
@@askani21 Determining a circle from infinite edges/corners. That's calculus.
Any time I hear a caller say "it's simple!" I know they're actually talking about themselves.
"It" most definitely was simple.
1973 motion picture Jesus Christ Superstar.
Zing 😲
Thats funny 😁
But it "is" simple. Why you ask. Because it is. See? 😉
the classical "the bible doesn't mean what it actually says, it needs to be interpreted so that it agrees with me, and then the bible is true, which means that god is real".
Well stated.
You don't understand the bible. If it agrees with me it's inerrant. If it doesn't agree with me it's not being interpreted in the right way. If it sounds like complete BS it's allegorical.
Yup, the Bible which states that the earth has 4 corners and is supported by pillars, the main reason we have a moronic flat earth movement, was the first to say the earth is a sphere. Dude is going for the gold in mental gymnastics
@@timothybrown5999 The continents are pillars, God makes His really wide, but it is in fact a single pillar humans have never built anything so big.
The 4 corners phrasing could mean a lot but its obvious that it most likely means "entire area"
@@jacobostapowicz8188 nice apologetics, but then why not just say that? Why say 4 corners if there are not 4 corners? Why call refer to the land as pillars? They had words to describe the land. It’s almost like the writers made all this crap up and followers have to change the words around to fit whatever meaning works best.
"biblical scholars are gonna be smarter than geologists" my new favorite theist statement
Casey may be a better spokesperson for atheism than the hosts!
Imagine thinking studying 1 old book is an actual serious profession that should be taken seriously in any context. If so wheres the respect for our Marvel scholars? Atleast they get to study new material.
Geologists ofc being the group primarily concerned with the shape of the Earth
No superiority complex at all, obviously.
It was difficult to listen to this with Casey jumping in all the time.
When I was just out of high school, I was helping a friend and her family on their farm. Her aunt was there, and barely said anything all day. One of the other women working had been talking nonstop for hours, and managed to pause long enough to ask her why she didn't say anything. I will never forget her reply:
"Some people talk because they have something to say; others talk because they have to say something." Situations like this call always remind me of that.
I love the way that JMike passive aggressively just dosent take people's shit, dosent let them talk over him or dodge all over the place
That is not being "passive-aggressive", it is called being assertive without being a jackass. I think I know what you meant, though, I admire his ability to gently shut people down. Personally, I would not be as gracious and do not have the epic patience that JMike frequently exhibits.
That’s not what passive-aggressive means
That's because he is a psychopath
I think he comes off as so pompous and rude. At least Matt tells people to wait and that he's not done talking. Not little quips like "real fast" "hold on" etc etc. Comes off very condescendingly regardless of what he's saying being true. I'm glad Katie is much more polite.
@@WooliteMammoth that's very strange considering the number of people that think JMike is very polite and straightforward without being insulting.
Different perceptions of the concept of polite/rude are based in different cultural sub-groups.
Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor." This verse clearly demonstrates that the author thought that the Earth is flat, and had no clue just how many kingdoms of the world existed at that time.
You can make it anything you want!
That dude was the living embodiment of the dunning Krueger effect. I’m pretty sure he felt like he slam dunked that call.
Its always weird to me, the atheist will often be open to being wrong and being proven wrong, but the theist will NEVER be open to being wrong or being proven wrong..... Which for the theist falls under the sin of pride
Instead he flew into the air, got his arm caught in the net, the ball went backwards, the back board broke in his face, he fell to the ground and face planted before giving a thumbs up and saying "nailed it!"
The classic line that I've heard every conspiracy theorist use is "you have to do your own research"
They mean watch lots of videos that agree with their view point!
@@joyfulzero853this is exactly what they mean. I still hear kids talk about covid and the vaccine like all right wing conspiracies about it havent already been exposed as false. Iiterally two days ago, i was playing online games and some children started casually talking about how the vaccine was killing everyone and they are sure glad they never got it.
When i pushed back i realized they still believe everyone other than the dumbest right wingers are all in on a conspiracy.
I hope they are not risking Driving without having researched built and tested every vital component. 🤣🤣🤪🤪
“I think that, uh…science ain’t caught-up to the Bible yet.”
I’m sold.
There are deluded individuals who claim both the bible and qur'an are valid historical and scientific text books. They're all wrong.
I loved that chapter in the Bible where it tells you how to build a combustion engine. 😒
@@TallSilentGuy nearly as good as the one in the curran (😉) that describes a watermill.
@@vinnyganzano1930 Or how semen is stored in the spine. I had a muslim literally tell me that was true because it was in the quran.
Wow now he is getting ANGRY.
HE THINKS THAT ATHEISTS ARE LIARS, GO READ THE BIBLE IF YOU WANT TO HEAR LIES.
Loool little dude really just started having a toddler tantrum because the hosts wanted clarification on his Einstein question omg 🤣🤣🤣
I liked it when she said "I think it is cool". This is her opinion on Einstein's work.
When you have nothing else, fall to the floor, kick and shout!
@@markhackett2302 *nice (15:49)
The Bible at no point describes the Earth as a sphere. In fact it does say that the entirety of the Earth can be seen from a mountaintop, which is consistent with a circular flat plane, but impossible on a sphere. But then it also says that a man can live for three days inside a fish and then walk out unharmed so whatever it says is about as worthwhile as thew little bits of so-called wisdom that cocomes out of fortune cookies.
these are great points.
this caller needed Matt. who would have brought up other bible crap to counter the original assertion.
For many millennia, people could see that the moon and sun were circular. Why assume the earth was different? This is all really silly.
There’s also talking donkeys and snakes. Trippy!
I love how they end up just losing it and start yelling. This didn't go according to Casey's script and he got laughed at. How embarrassing that must be.
“As long as you never question me, I’m completely right!”
The bible says the earth is a flat circle and sits on pillars according to Job and Isaiah, and it and the stars sit under a dome that separates us from heaven's waters according to Genesis. People want to claim and reinterpret it as metaphor, which is fine, but you can't then turn around and say the Bible had science right all along. It then just turns into a game of picking and choosing what's "metaphor" and what's "literal revealed science".
"let's keep it simple"...is a great quote from Casey
He can certainly do “simple”.
"It says what it says."
"Yeah, it says that it's a circle."
I get Casey’s frustration. Considering he’s accepted something on faith without evidence of course he is going to be upset when someone doesn’t agree with his logic. The circle he’s stuck in is vicious and honestly it’s something I’ll never stop having compassion for because I really hope people like him will eventually see the error in their reasoning and grow.
“It’s very simple, what does yellow taste like?” Another person who’s brain is scrambled by religion.
He would lick the yellow snow.
My wife insists that cheap icecream where she grew up tasted "pink" rather than strawberry. I cannot imagine what that means and wasn't willing to find out when I had the chance.
@@darrynreid4500 You don't like tasting pink? :)
Lemon of course.
What a shame the all knowing god of the universe is such a bad communicator.
It's almost as if this 'god' doesn't actually exist
@@marrllly he's testing your faith. And you failed.
There was no Hebrew word for sphere. God was sitting on top of a circle ... which is ROUND. No where does the bible say the Earth is flat.
And the Bible's main purpose to to share Yeshua(salvation) to all people of the world ... not to give a science or grammar & vocabulary lessen.
@@abelincoln8885 believers claim the Bible has supernatural knowledge until proven wrong, only then is it not that kind of book. I believe there's a Hebrew word 'dhur', to make a ball out of something.
@@abelincoln8885 Your claims are irrelevant even if they were not lies, though. A tri-omni God could GIVE them "a word" for a spherical earth. However you say specifically that the bible is not scientifically accurate, even if you lied, "because there is no word that is different for the sphere or circle". If there isn't a word for it, then it can't be in the bible.
Can it.
Wow what an embarrassing call 😂😂
"I think a biblical scholar is gonna be smarter than any biologist "
Good job buddy. Please call back, needed a good laugh
Yeah, probably those scolars love to talk about crocoducks. Idiots. 😂
*geologist (13:44)
Haven't watched it yet, but I'm going to guess the caller was horribly wrong.
what else is new?
More like clueless
I'm going to guess that after this video, you said: "Nailed it."
Your guess is correct.
Even today, there are Christians arguing with verses of the same Bible, that the Earth is flat. So, no, the Bible at best contradicts itself.
So, when confirmation bias fails miserably this clown shifts gears straight into a dishonest appeal to authority, and when he gets called on THAT bullshit, just starts slinging insults.
This is about the maturity level I expected when I clicked on this video clip.
Einstein got so much correct with mathematics that being smart is known as being an Einstein. Feynman was brilliant, too. And the list goes on. Religious theologians in the modern era, not so much.
Right? When was the last time you heard someone's intelligence praised by the phase, "That guy's a real Aquinas!"
In fairness, it's hard to find a non-religious theologian.
Casey: "Let's keep it simple."
Yeah, if there's one thing you are, it's simple.
Simpletons
Classic example of moulding things to suit what you already believe, also, Katy's cheekbones are insane!
She's very pretty.
@@vinnyganzano1930 yup
Theres a reason for that......
Why do people insist on publicly embarrassing themselves like this? I don’t get it.
dunning-kruger
"Is Catcher in the Rye better than parkour?" makes about as much sense as the title question 🤣
Evidence? LOL! pi?3 the sky is a crystal? the stars can fall to the ground? the world is flat hahahahah. I pity him, he has been indoctrinated from birth and is a perfect example of no education, thinking he cannot be wrong.
This book knew something before other people did so I'm going to believe every other part of the book too, including the parts that no one can confirm our true. All because someone got something right 🙄🙄🙄
It didn't even know something before anyone else did... Because 1. Isaiah is talking about a flat circle earth
2. At least some humans knew the earth was a sphere way the hell before erastothenes!
Potentially WAY BEFORE
AND
This is the really fun part!
Christians and the church were still killing motherfuckers for "heresies" like believing in a round earth and heliocentrism until when again exactly?
Christianity has been a fucking blight on humanity from before Jesus supposedly left for cigarettes and never came home again
Christians imprisoned people that said the earth is a sphere.
a circle is flat and not a sphere
@@coletrickle1775Are you sure about that? The controversy for the Church was concerning whether the Earth orbited the Sun or vice versa.
I can sum up his argument "I believe the Bible knows more than science because you know, you know, the Bible is right, you know, er you know, er, erm, you know the Bible is better than science"
That saves you watching it.
A lot of flat earthers hold that the Bible supports their belief. The Bible is all about individual interpretation of whatever snippet is quoted.
The Bible constantly eludes to the earth being flat and never says anything that makes the reader think that the writers thought the earth was round. The Bible says that the earth is a circle once, but circles are flat. They could've used a word meaning ball or sphere, but they chose to say circle.
And most flat Earthers use the bible as evidence that the earth is flat.
Before you can make a meaningful point I think you would have to read the parts of the bible I'm the original written language. Then you have to evaluate the chosen translations of the pertinent parts.
@@rocketrabble6737 as far as the shape of the earth, the bible is clear that it is flat, no argument about language can change that. Daniel 4:11 has a tree so tall that it's visible to the ends of the earth. This is only possible if the earth is flat. In what language would it make sense on a sphere?
@@rocketrabble6737
Matt 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
@HoangNguyen-rd6qy Who believes that it is possible to have a tree that tall in the first place? It's pure hokum, as is the 'suggestion' of a flat earth
Funny thing is that flat earthers think that the Bible claims the earth is flat
They're flat earthers BECAUSE the Bible says it's flat. They have to believe it because they think that God dictated the Bible and God can't be wrong.
How does he know what "the common person" thought about the shape of the world?
What sources does he have for such a claim?
Just about everyone didn't care what shape the earth was if they were not long distance ocean navigators, but those people knew that the earth wasn't flat. However most people worked the land, and it doesn't matter how flat or spherical the earth is, as long as you could grow dinner on it.
This is what should have been the basis of the rebuttal. Casey stupidly said that the science believed the earth was flat. Really? What evidence did he have of that? Empedocles and Anaxagoras both promoted a spherical earth in the 5th century BC. It is actually well established that long before the Bible was written the idea of a spherical earth was well known in academia. It’s hard to call those scholars “scientists “ but they were the equivalent at the time. By the time the Old Testament was written a spherical earth was well accepted by academia as well as navigators, and written arguments for such are still preserved. Casey has this weird idea that everyone believed the earth was flat which is demonstrably false. And that ends the discussion right there. If the idea of a spherical earth was being bandied about for centuries before the Bible was written then his initial premise is false and his point is moot.
As a person who reads biblical languages, where does the bible say that the earth is round? The Isaiah passage he mentioned is describing the Rakiah or sky dome not the earth itself.
There was no established "science" in ancient times. There were some very smart, highly intelligent individuals, who concerned themselves with the nature of the world, but there was not a scientific community and general method as such. Modern science emerged with Copernicus in the 16th century.
The bible is not talking about the earth as a sphere. And even if it did, which it did not, these authors might have heard some early theories by some wise Greek, or Egyptian.
There is the scientific method, however. You can do that even if it isn't formalised and even if you aren't a scientist at all.
@@markhackett2302 That's debatable.
@@dharmadefender3932 Not in the least. Whether it HAPPENED is debatable, but the ability to do "the scientific method" even before it was formalised, or before there were other scientists is NOT debatable.
@@markhackett2302 It's debatable that there's a scientific method at all.
@@dharmadefender3932 Nope. It isn't.
The earliest documented mention of the concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it appears in the writings of Greek philosophers. In the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established the roughly spherical shape of Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth’s circumference. Sorry Casey, you’re wrong
Love this combination of hosts. J Mike and Katy are both fantastic, incredibly patient, and very thoughtful in their responses.
These two are fantastic hosts!
Hinduism also says the earth is round
To paraphrase, “If you deliberately misread the Bible and willfully ignore science *and* history, then I’m right!”
Oy. 🤦🏼♂️
And, “What’s your opinion on Einstein’s theory of relativity?”
I dunno. Mostly accurate? Will likely be refined as we, eventually, learn more? (But that’s all *way* above my paygrade, LOL.)
But you might as well ask *him* about *his* opinion on Newton’s law of universal gravitation…
🤷🏼♂️
…but you gotta love it when these callers just start getting hysterical when the hosts don’t obligingly follow the callers’ scripts.
You know where the caller was going right?
He wanted you to say Einstein was correct on that and then point to Einstein being theist.
Unfortunately for him, Einstein wasn't a theist.
my opinion on general relativity is that it's a model that describes a bunch of stuff, and so far it's generally held up to scrutiny, so i'm generally comfortable with accepting that it's accurate
That's the opinion of most if not all of the scientific community
@@johnmonk3381 yup 🙂
@@teuast and they are literally trying very hard to "break" it. By observing stars around black holes and stuff. So far it's held up every time so no reason to find another explanation or refine it
Casey should have done his homework before calling. It is known the Earth is a sphere since 5th Centrury BC thanks to Hellenistic Astronomy. Furthermore, the Bible actually states that the Earth is flat, and Biblical literalists, as well as evangelical reprobates, will give you a ton of verses to back that up. The flat tortilla with a dome model comes from Mesopotamian Mythology, so no small wonder it is indeed stated as such in the Bible. I find it remarkable that other models are completely ignored by Christian apologists because those do not conform to the doctrines of their religion; we have, for instance, the Ziggurat model of the Earth, mentioned in the Avesta (the religious book of Zoroastrianism), which originated in ancient Persia. So no Casey, the Bible is not a book on Science AT ALL!
What a lot of people just can't understand is something can be a circle and flat both at the same time. Just look at a dinner plate it is a flat circle. Saying an object is a circle doesn't mean it has to be a sphere. The flat earthers model of the earth is a flat circle turned up at the outside edges by a hundred-foot ice wall.
Something that is a circle HAS to be flat.
There are two sides to every story - and then there's faith!
These callers are always so painfully unprepared and blind in their faith, it feels like argumenting a child. I don't understand how you guys can do this, but good work, really appreciate the hard work.
There have been people who knew the world was round in any society which was seafaring with tall masts.
What is really sad, is that this call only served to strengthen his delusions..
Yeah, missed opportunity here especially when it became clear he thought relativity supports biblical creation. As happens so often, he's been told something by fundies at his church or Answers in Genesis and is running with it despite not having the background to understand the claim he's making. The classic example is the claim that evolution is disproved by the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Early Phoenicians encircled Africa so before Isiah the Egyptians knew the Earth was round like a ball. Mind you, the bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere, and Isiah says that God is real and exists in the sky, and we've been in the sky, and above the sky, and there was no God.
I'm confused. What do the Phoenicians have to do with Egypt. And why do you think the ability to sail around Africa demonstrates that the Earth is a sphere?
@@puckerings read that again
@@puckerings I fail to see why your confusion is my problem.
Egypt. You may have heard of it. In North Africa. Big ports in Egypt. Phoneticians aren't Egyptians, so have to sail a boat or walk or ride something that walks to get to Egypt.
Not sure why that confuses you.
@@kissit012 Rather requires he read it once. I suspect his eyes passed over, but he read words inside his head.
There was no Hebrew word for sphere. God did not literally sit ON the Earth which is a circle, This simply confirmed the Earth was a sphere.
But again, the Bible is about God's love for his creation ... not a science manual'
JMike + Katy is one of my favorite duos. Katy is so adorable and clever, I just love her!💙
The raging name calling hissyfit is always the best way to highlight the lies religion hammered into your brain.
When a dummy is trying to have an intelligent conversation. Some of us just can't play basketball
Okay, first line is comedy gold! 😂 "Science hasn't caught up with the Bible yet." 😂😂😂 And the tantrum at the end! 😂😂😂😂😂
0:55 - "You have to do your own study."
As if the average reader is capable of researching collections of ancient documents, written in any of several dead languages.
Or maybe he meant that you just need to watch the right UA-cam videos that agree with his views.
LOL, You're both so awesome, thank-you!
0:13 Caller: "I think that science hasn't caught up to the Bible yet..."
Me: Oh, yes. I loved that chapter in the Bible where it tells you how to build a combustion engine. 😒
Jesus also didnt know what germs were, yet science does lmfao
Just one small point Casey, when the bible was said to be written there was no such thing as science... it was called natural philosophy.
I saw this during the show, but it was hood enough to laugh at again! 👍🥰💖✌
The caller's right when he says, "It's very simple what [the Bible] says [about the shape of the earth]." It clearly says in Genesis that the waters were pushed up to make the firmament. The waters above the firmament were divided from the waters below the firmament, and inside that firmament, under the waters above the sky, the sun, moon, and stars were placed. That's why the sky is blue, obviously. For the water dome to fit properly, the earth would need to be a circle, as you can tell it is when you look around from a mountain or tall hill. So yes, "It's very simple what it says."
This show is great
“You have to do your own study.”
And then you have to agree with the way I interpret it.😜
When religious apologists realize they’re failing, they often try to change the subject. “What is your opinion on Einstein’s theory of relativity?”😂
The impromptu appearance of the fluffy kitty was the best part !!
"My interpretation aligns with reality. Therefore that is what God intended." I feel like that pretty much sums up Casey's reasoning.
Ah! The Wholly Babble...so scientific that it starts right off by having day and night created on the very first 'day' but the sun doesn't appear until the fourth one. How does that work exactly?
This pair is great. I want more from them !!!
I picture Casey barefoot, wearing overalls and a straw hat.
The overalls are on his head and the straw hat is covering his shortcomings 😉
Casey can't be here to reply because he's out hunting squirrel.
Einstein did not believe in a personal god but said if he were to believe in one it would be the pantheist God of Spinoza. He said "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Casey is as smart as he thinks he is…
🤪
I'd say Casey is as dumb as a box of rocks, but I'd be insulting the rocks. 😆
@@markfrench8892
i was about to say that that wasn't fair to the rocks of the world...
The problem with this call is that the caller mistakes what they WANT to believe for fact. For example - when was the book of Isaiah written. Scholars agree, the current form of Isaiah cannot be dated earlier than 530BCE, because at least parts of it are written after the Babylonian captivity. And the earliest PHYSICAL supporting evidence is at least 200 years after that. The Isaiah text COULD be as late as about 100 BCE.
But the caller BELIEVES that Isaiah was written in about 700 BCE for the same reason they believe a circle means a sphere - because they want to.
The bible is 100% accurate!
Especially when thrown from close range. :)
Only from close range.
Every word in the bible is absolutely true.
When those words form sentences is when the 🐂💩 starts!
I still prefer a well zeroed rifle.
Why even have schools if the answer to everything is "God did it" ?
Casey should try to convince the flat earthers.
No. The Greeks learned that the planet was a sphere.
I would like Casey to start out by outlining differential manifolds equipped with metric tensors that are everywhere nondegenerate with relaxed positive definiteness requirements so they are pseudo-Riemannian, and then to outline Lorentzian manifolds as a special case, before allowing him to chatter at all about "Relativity". I'm also assuming he means General Relativity here rather than Special Relativity, which is a special case when gravity (or more correctly, space-time curvature) is negligible; we should have him also outline at least the basic two postulates of Special Relativity and formulate up the basic theory as well.
Having done so, he would still not be permitted to talk down at us about "Relativity". Having done so, he wouldn't try talk down at us anyway because he would have demonstrated no more and no less than having listened in just the first lectures of an undergrad level introduction, and would therefore also know it.
Job 38:14 The Earth takes shape as "clay under a seal." Which means a flat disk of clay. So which is it, caller? Does the Bible think the Earth is a sphere or a disk? Given that you source in Isaiah says circle and does not specify a sphere, given the other passage it seems pretty clear what the most reasonable conclusion is.
Always funny when someone loses an argument so badly they have to go off on some completely unrelated tangent and throw a tantrum on the way out.
Hey why can’t I call in and ask you guys to goggle questions for me???
The Einstein quote about "God doesn't play dice with the universe" was Einstein rejecting quantum theory. He didn't like the probabilistic nature of the theory. In this case he was wrong.
I'm pretty sure that there are several instances where the bible refers to the earth being flat ( or circular , which is flat ) . I've read verses where it says that the earth has 4 corners ( which makes it a square) and it sits on pillars and has a dome covering it , the dome has holes in it which allow the rain to get in.
Greek scientists recognized that Earth was round (spherical) by at least 2,700 years ago, because the idea of a round Earth was being taught before about 500 B.C. by the famous Greek mathematician Pythagoras. And even ancient man thought the earth was a circular flat plane because of the sun and the moon both appearing as circles.
Casey gets confirmation from his religious friends that they are on to profound facts and gets the confidence to call in thinking he's mic dropping all over the place
The caller starts out with one of the greatest myths of recent times, the notion that people thought that the Earth was flat to begin with. For the most part, they didn't. The fallacy that ancient people thought so came about only after 1828. In that year, the American author, Washington Irving, published a book, 'The History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus'. In that book, he mentioned that when Columbus reached the Americas, 'he knew for certain that the world was round'. Irving's intention was that prior to then, people had generally held the BELIEF that it was round, but now Columbus KNEW it, and "for certain". He had personally experienced a place beyond the visible horizon. However, some members of the public, on reading this portion of the book, made the incorrect assumption that Irving's comment that Columbus knew that the world was round implied not that now they "knew" what previously they only "believed", but rather that now they "knew" something, when previously they must have believed something entirely the opposite. And that it simply not so. (If I believed that my neighbour is deaf, but today, having just met him in person, I say to my partner that now I 'know for certain' that my neighbour is deaf, my partner would be wrong to assume that this statement means that previously I had thought that my neighbour was capable of hearing.) Indeed, when Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth in 240 BCE, he can have measured a "circumference" only of something round. (You can measure the circumference of something that is some other shape, but not using the maths that he was using - that sort of trigonometry is solely for circular things.)
You know he has nothing when he tries to put words into Einsteins mouth
When the church had absolute control over all education, the most advanced technology was a watermill, and the average human was an illetirate peasent that lived and died within twenty miles of their place of birth this sort of ignorance was understandable. In today's world, with instantaneous access to any and all information it's wilfully chosen... This is obscene.
“Scholars are smarter than Geologists”
Um, what?
I think Casey's upset because his family won't tell him when or where the next reunion is ...
It's amazing what people can read into the bible! Most bible pushers have not read any other books.
Most Bible pushers haven't read the bible.
Science never said the world was flat.
Q: What's your opinion of Einstein's Theory of Relativity?
A: Which one? General or Special?
My thoughts exactly 😂
Everytime a theist uses a holy book to explain something my eyes gave over. If they persist on supporting their claims using their book my eyes start to cross and brain fog sets in followed by an almost irresistible desire to bang my head against the wall accompanied by violent thoughts. Why is this?
Casey thinks he's quite the wit. Unfortunately he's only half right.
"i agree with you!" - im doibting this, hard
Humans have worshipped over 700 different gods im glad we found the right one and im saved unlike those billions of other idiots 😅
The answer on the guys question should have been. Einsteins General theory of relativity seems to be in alignment with experimental results if you keep out of quantum mechanics etc. It seems to be the basis of many models that can be used to accurately describe many things seen in the physical world. It is however not a perfect model since it doesn’t include quantum effects
Katy eventually finds the cat to be more interesting than Casey, and I agree.
You’re the best, Katy.