Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15202 Jumbo vs 15400 (Royal Oak 15202ST vs 15400ST) Luxury Watch Review
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Contact tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Jumbo vs Royal Oak 15400 is a family feud with eight sides five hands, and two watches. Today on Versus, stainless steel Audemars Piguet 15202 and 15400 Royal Oak automatics wage a generational war between the nearest descendent of Gerald Genta’s 1972 Royal Oak 5402 and the 2018-spec Royal Oak 41mm automatic. High horology steel sports watches wage internecine warfare today on Watchbox Reviews!
The 1972 Royal Oak has a clear modern heir: the 2012-present Royal Oak Extra Thin 15202ST.OO.1240ST.01 is a faithful modern interpretation of the first high horology steel sports watch. Audemars Piguet updated the 15202 in 2012 with a monotone date disc, AP logo at six o’clock, and changes to the dial printing outboard of the hour indices. In every other respect, the watch is immune to planned obsolescence and receives both few an infrequent changes.
At 39mm, the Royal Oak Jumbo retains the original watch’s diameter; 8mm thickness surpasses the original’s due to the use of a sapphire display caseback. The bracelet is more substantial than the 1972 watch’s Gay Freres unit, and so is the twin-trigger double deployant clasp. All exterior stainless steel on case, beze, and bracelet is finished with virtuosity at Audemars Piguet.
The classic Royak Oak Jumbo “petite tapisserie” is alive and well on the 15202. Since 2012, this dial has been manufactured in-house by Audemars Piguet, but the traditional tapisserie dial engraving with a vintage pantograph lathe continues unabated. The galvanized blue dial seen here has become an Audemars Piguet boutique exclusive. All Royal Oak Jumbos features two hands and a date; there is no seconds hand or running indication.
Audemars Piguet’s caliber 2121 ultra thin automatic movement continues its 47-year reign in the Royal Oak Jumbo. Based on the Jaeger LeCoultre caliber 920 ebauche, this ultra thin mechanical caliber has been used exclusively by AP, Patek Philippe, and Vacheron Constantin through its 52-year history. Today, AP builds and finishes the caliber 2120 and derivatives in-house. The slim movement boasts a vintage 19,800 vibration per hour beat rate, 40-hour power reserve, and protection equal to 50 meters of water resistance; hand finishing on the caliber 2121 is superior by far to the largely machine-finished caliber 3120 in the Royal Oak 15400.
The Royal Oak 15400 bowed at SIHH 2012; its successor, the Royal Oak 15500, launched at SIHH 2019. As the mainstream automatic Royal Oak model for seven years, the 15400ST has proved immensely popular with watch collectors. Its 41mm case offers wrists presence comparable to the Royal Oak Offshore chronograph, and the quality of its case, bracelet, and bezel finish is as fine as any Jumbo.
On its “grande tapisserie” dial, this Royal Oak 15400ST.OO.1220ST.03 features the same “boutique blue” galvanized color as its Ultra-Thin rival. But the 15400 also features larger white gold hour indices with sharp faceted shoulders, a seconds hand, and more super luminova for night time viewing.
The bracelet and clasp of the 15400ST are designed and finished to the same standards as the 15202ST, but the larger watch uses commensurately larger components for greater durability than the Jumbo. In terms of mass and volume, the 15400 feels more like a mini Royal Oak Offshore than a larger 15202.
Beneath the “grande tapisserie” dial, the Royal Oak 15400 employs an Audemars Piguet manufacture caliber 3120 automatic movement. In every respect, it is more durable and capable than the caliber 2121. The caliber 3120 features a 60-hour power reserve, full balance bridge, gyromax-style free sprung balance, stop seconds, and quickset date; the beat rate is 21,600 vibrations per hour. Although the 41mm Royal Oak features the same 50-meter water resistance as the 39mm Royal Oak Ultra-Thin, the former’s crown is a screw-down unit and the latter’s is not.
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Jayzuz - Tim is on fire on this one......the information immense; the delivery staccato precise; I had to review this video 3 times to let it all sink in. Mental gymnastics, several coffees and a few Dunhill needed for this review.
Excellent review, Tim! I particularly enjoyed your concluding thoughts. You are easily the most articulate watch reviewer/critic on UA-cam - no contest! The Jumbo would be my pick for sure.
Love your reviews, the best and most informative out there! Can you review the 15500?
15202st. The most beautiful Royal oak.
The 15202 is a way more elegant, beautiful watch. But I need the second hand. It keeps me calm:) zen
I'm just the opposite...the second hand stresses me out
15300 is the sweet spot
Tim ... thank you i loved this very informative comparison . I just recently acquired the 15400 "Its a beat..big" Got me thinking about the 15202 .
Would you be doing a 15450 vs 15202 comparison? Would be interested due to having a similar wrist size to yours. Also, which colour of the 15450s do you like? I understand that the 15450 is considered small and less desirable for some folks, but for those with smaller wrists, it is a legitimate (if not only) choice.
Excellent video and a great conundrum. I would be wearing either one of these with a jacket and cuff in the office so I would surely go 15202.
I prefer the movement on the 15202 but I would choose the 15400 for everyday use. Great video, thanks Tim...
i wore the new 16202 and the 15500 back to back. ironically, i felt the 15500 fit better on my wrist. because the lug angle points downwards more than the 16202. The absolute minimum distance between the bracelet sides is smaller in the 15500 than the 16202. surprise!
Fantastic comparison!
great review! very precise!
the dw for the 15400 seems a little off - or is it just the angle? thanks
Thank you for the great video.
At least currently, the 15202 is a tough watch to find. A true classic. Nevertheless, the model gets upgraded. I hope in time Tim can do a 15500 review. Thanks .
i love the 15202 but doesn't it feel a bit dainty for an AP? AP's are supposed to be a bit chunkier and have a presence.
What is the color of the 15202 lume? Are the hands and markers the same color?
What are you referencing when you say "offshore'? Very informative and easy to see review.
Great video Tim, i would take the 15202 any day of the week more elegant, slim, and even a hand finished movement.
Good choice. That's easily the one for me as well. It wears better, looks better, and offers more added value; the first two are subjective, but the third is unarguable.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews I'm really torn up between the 15202 and 15400 now, I do appreciate the hand finished movement, that's the biggest PRO of the 15202 for me, but I also want running seconds and a screw down crown.. I guess you can't have it all.
15400 is way more symmetrical, i like the rotor better, has a hacking movement and a second hand...man i would never be able to wear a watch without second hand. Also i like to feel the watch on my wrist. 15400 is the way to go...at least for me.
Great video! Between the two, I prefer the Jumbo, but it's still too big for me. The early ref. 14790 is near perfection, especially with its original GG front-loading design, hacking seconds, quick-set date, and screw-down crown. And, the smaller font and indices and the AP logo replacing the double index at 12:00 creates a cleaner, less cluttered dial. As for the date window, I actually prefer the white background because it takes the place of an index and balances the dial, plus the original had it! IMHO, the background should only match the dial if you want the date to disappear or a more contemporary look. But for an anniversary model that's so close to the original, why not go all the way? But AP gets a pass on that one for creating an otherwise sublime tribute to the one that arguably saved them all.
Thanks for watching DanteMiami! Some great points you bring up, we love hearing what catches peoples eyes! - WatchBox Team
15450ST “37mm” all the way for me 😊 wish you could review it some day..
It really wears like a 39mm or even 40mm which is a perfect fit; specially for those with smaller wrists but for some reason it’s under the radar...
Great video though 👏🏼👏🏼
It's marketed as a women's watch, maybe that's why.
I agree. I got a 15450 3 weeks ago. It fits my smaller wrist perfectly. Totally love it 😍
Jacques Rizzi Congrats 🎊 🎉 😍 , I’m waiting mine , Grey dial 😃
@@63worf Do you got the watch from an AD ?
Keep it under radar, so i can purchase it at reasonable price😂
This is the most beautiful 15202, the black date, the AP on the right place..the dial colour is perfect. What is the material of the dial?. Old once get rusty quite fast, patin
Tim: Thank you. Can you demonstrate or discuss rotor movement and/or rotor noise in future videos.
15400 for me. I’m an Offshore fan, so I like thicker watches. Also, I regularly sync my watches to an atomic clock and that’s where I’ll need the seconds hand.
My ultimate dream watch, which doesn’t exit would be the Royal Oak Ultra thin, in the titanium/ platinum version (15202IP.OO.1240IP.01) but with manual wind rather than automatic. I would also like it to loose the date complication. These changes would give it an almost perfectly symmetrical dial, and perhaps make it possible to reduce the height of the watch a tenth or two of a millimeter for even greater elegance. While I am into improving what many claims to be perfection, then I will also suggest that Audemars Piguet make the AP logo on the dial with a clear gap between the A and the P, at the moment it seems like there is a tiny hand which is stuck at the 6 o’clock position.
15202 by far. Super rare and just sits better even on bigger wrists. Do you think the monochrome date be the white date in earlier models is a decisive factor?
I love my 15400 with the black dial.
So with the jumbo being a thinner and with i think Tim said the jumbo is 41/42 mm with the regular model being 39 mm? So no I don’t know what size it’ll be.
Beautiful and great comparison
Thanks for watching, Craig. I appreciate your support of my video. Which would be your choice?
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews 15202 would be my choice. Although the 15400 band is nice.
Great juxtaposition job. Thanks for the vid Tim. Jumbo >>
Awesome comparison Tim!
Very helpful comparison, Tim. The 15400 is for me. I just can’t choose a watch without a second hand.
Hi David, that's a good point. Timing short intervals doesn't require a chronograph or complication, but it definitely requires a seconds hand. The 15400 likely offers more value on a needs-basis than the beautiful but less capable Jumbo.
Best,
Tim
Thank you, Justin! Which Royal Oak would be your choice?
Best,
Tim
WatchBox Reviews I agree with David on the seconds hand, but I prefer the size of the 15202, so it gets the win for me!
I'd take the 15400 as I like the grand tapiserie dial and more solid bracelet
Problem I have with Piguets: the rubber gasket between the bezel and case. Why? Won't the salt or chlorine water eat away at it?
Yes, but in any event it gets replaced during standard service
the date wheel on the 15400 seems a little off in regards to it not being completely present in the date window.
Please make a 15500 review
So the Jumbo is the smaller watch or the larger one??? It would have been nice to start by saying which one is which, the people that know that do not need this clip, and the people that do not know and need it, are confused all the way to the end of the clip...
15202ST greatest watch ever designed!
I like the petite tapesserie more than the grande.
The 50 meter water resistance is mind boggling.
For me the movement isn't about tech, or I'd just wear a quartz. The 15202 has the original JLC-inspired movement and the traditionalist in me says that's got to be better.
Also 39mm on a RO is the perfect size. 37 too small, 41 way too big (for me at least)
15202, but to be honest the lack of quick set would be annoying from time to time. The size and finishing still wins me over, however.
I just got a 15400 a week ago then found out 15500 is coming out D:
Keep up the good work. Regards, Giorgia Mondani.
15400 for me. Bought a Black Bay Bronze and it seems big for my wrist.
I'm sure this is a dumb question, but why is the svelte, thin, smaller AP called a "Jumbo?" Nice video -- I learned a lot and you pointed out some differences that I might not have noticed.
There are no dumb questions! The Jumbo gets this name from when it was originally released in 1972, the 39mm at the time was large and not many brands were releasing that size. It seems a little silly in the modern times where we see watches close to 50mm regularly, but it's a nice nod to the history of the model and how it paved the way. Thanks for watching our review! - WatchBox Team
The color of your videos is back! Is this a new camera?
why is the ultra thin called jumbo?
15400ST easy...more robust (screw-down crown, tougher bracelet, free sprung balance, full-balance bridge) and I need a seconds hand for the job. Further 9.8mm is not too thick...still fits under dress cuff, easy. It's also less expensive and is easier to read.
LOL @ Tim: "I'm a bit of a JLC purist...and I'm also a classicist and a little bit of a romanticist."
Tim sounds as eccentric as H.E. Pennypacker (Seinfeld): "I'm a wealthy industrialist and philanthropist and bicyclist"
I agree with you fully, couldn't have said it better
I bought the 15400 just for the second hand
Does the 15202 have a screw down crown?
It does not have a screw down crown.
An easy win for the 15202 to me. Despite a lack of a second hand and inferior movement spec.
The movement is technically inferior, but it's executed in superior fashion. I'd never compare the work on an AP 3120 to the products of Vacheron and Patek, but I'd gladly make that comparison on behalf of the caliber 2121.
Best,
Tim
WatchBox Reviews when I mentioned inferior spec, I meant only that, not that it’s an inferior movement overall. The finish on it is truly beautiful. I do appreciate that, and should of mentioned it in my comment to balance things out maybe. I’m also a big fan of JLC 🙂
nice watches!
I own the 15400, and i am happy with every aspect of it :)
AP/RO battle, well I have a dentist appointment. Good luck! 😁😁
😂
If I have learned anything from watching all of these videos, is that Tim would never be caught dead wearing a 15400! lol
Love this video, Tim. I really appreciate you comparing and contrasting such similar pieces. If the devil is in the details, so is sweet sexy Jesus.
Watching this old video, how many people noticed the pathetic date wheel in the 15400 that did not completely turn over to “6”? I had one and my date was lazy as well. Sad for such a watch
15202 anytime. If i can find it at a decent price that is... lol
I just asked CQ if he would take my 15400 and some cash. I would love to have that 15202
Romanticism wins every time!
The 15400 wins all the time, 15202 is beautiful! But to delicate and fragile!
The 15202 is very beautiful, but not 40k beautiful!
15202 for me.
My choice: the old one.
Old School 😎
- WatchBox Team
15202 a clear winner here. 41mm Royal Oak is just a bad idea
What makes it a bad idea? Thanks for watching our review and letting us know your pick! - WatchBox Team
@@the1916companywatchreviews The fact that the RO size is unnecessarily blown up. They have the Offshore line for those big watches. A steel Royal Oak looks so much classier in the 39mm case size in my opinion
@@the1916companywatchreviews He is right... You can only go backwards from Genta... being both a 15202 and 300 owner, when the 400 came out, after 2 seconds on my wrist I asked the AD if they had any late production 15300s left... The 400's hour markers are too big, the bezel is too large in comparison to the lugs, the bracelet is much the same as the 15300, which means its too small for a 41... As for 202 vs 300, as a daily watch, the 202 is too delicate... the 300 is a rare bird that could be the Goldilocks model collectors flock to in years to come.
Why is the smaller one referred to as “Jumbo”? I assume for some historical reason.
At the time the 15202 was released a 39mm was a “jumbo” size. As we all know 39mm is not considered jumbo, but the name stuck around. I have the 15202 and I wouldn’t trade it for anything.
Jumbo for me Tim 👍⌚️
Awesome! What makes you pick the Jumbo? - WatchBox Team
I am a traditionalist I guess, and I love it has no second hand and the 360 degree rotor , thanks for always taking the time to respond to your viewers, I really appreciate it 👍⌚️
you end remark ..."its a Thai..." what .... 😂🤣😂 did you get them from MBK in Bangkok?🤣😂🤣 (just kidding )
and im on the 15202 too .... or the 15202BC , I almost cried when I saw it was a limited edition ...I will never get that one... yes - grown men can cry 😢
I just have to hope for a 15500 will be released in a 39 mm ✌🏻😛
you should really consider changing 2 things:
- zoom out (take a look at watchfinder or similar, they do it right!)
- create contrast with a non-white background
audio is great though..
15300 better than both the 15202 no screw down crown 15400 is a tad to big no second hand on the 15202 is a negative too the 15300 is the perfect Royal Oak in my opinion
15202 for me please🥇🏆😍
Great pick Andrei! What makes you choose the 15202?
15202 all the way
41mm anyday. Looks far better.
Jumbo all the way
Love your reviews. Please talk slower.
i am M.ibrahim ali
15202 for me, the bigger the better
15400 is old money whilst nouveau rich is the jumbo, nicely executed in both iteration.
Not quite sure how you figure the Non-Genta designed, relatively new and ill proportioned one is for old money patrons, yet the Jumbo, which pays homage to the 1972 original is for Chavs? 15300, 15202 and earlier are "Old money" if you will... Anything 2013 onward from AP, is unfortunately for the instagram/Yolo crowd.
15202
I think you picked the rightful champion of this match.
Best,
Tim
For me 15400 is much better, a watch without hand second it’s not a good idea 🙃
Do your Nails bro
Dont take a hit of coke before recording dude. Take a breath dude